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"Tulsi Gabbard is finally in for 2020"


          

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/684716135/hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-announces-shes-running-for-president-in-2020

  

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I’m glad she’s in.
Jan 12th 2019
1
>Hindu or not, she doesn’t seem to respect the sacred cows
Jan 13th 2019
10
      Vishnu, Brute?
Jan 14th 2019
13
What do you think of this tweet of her’s?
Jan 12th 2019
2
RE: What do you think of this tweet of her’s?
Jan 13th 2019
4
      Okay
Jan 13th 2019
9
if she didn't have a shit foreign policy
Jan 13th 2019
3
RE: if she didn't have a shit foreign policy
Jan 13th 2019
5
      she got too many right-wing cosigns to accept
Jan 13th 2019
6
Nah, i'm good.
Jan 13th 2019
7
She's a right wing plant
Jan 13th 2019
8
she def smelling like jill stein.
Jan 13th 2019
11
not sold either way. i don't know enough
Jan 13th 2019
12
Who is she for?
Jan 14th 2019
14
Tulsi Gabbard’s Homophobic Remarks Surface....
Jan 14th 2019
15
i think she might withdraw her candidacy before the 1st primary.
Jan 14th 2019
16
      I am not sure what her long game was.
Jan 14th 2019
17
      gonna be pissed if she basically fell on the grenade for the progressive...
Jan 14th 2019
18
      seems a lil weird for her to run if bernie runs too.
Jan 14th 2019
21
      i have a hunch there are ulterior motives involved.
Jan 14th 2019
19
      She was fully aware of the challenges surrounding her candidacy
Jan 14th 2019
20
      why doesnt she debate her opponents then?
Jan 14th 2019
25
           were these debates that the state party organized?
Jan 14th 2019
47
      Damn...
Jan 14th 2019
24
pass
Jan 14th 2019
22
RE: Tulsi Gabbard is finally in for 2020
Jan 14th 2019
23
lol
Jan 14th 2019
26
Never heard of her but she is off to a great start
Jan 14th 2019
28
FINALLY, a lefty meme that ACCURATELY describes the other side
Jan 14th 2019
29
alt right troll wants you to know tulsi definitely isnt pro-israel
Jan 14th 2019
27
LOL.
Jan 14th 2019
30
      Wat?
Jan 14th 2019
32
      shes basically running as a newly woke republican lol.
Jan 14th 2019
33
      If Republicans had Tulsi's platform, they'd be on that Thaddeus
Jan 14th 2019
40
      Do you welcome Donald Trump?
Jan 14th 2019
39
      just noticed this...you lost your credibility man
Jan 17th 2019
71
           yea that's not what I'm saying, at all
Jan 18th 2019
74
is Greenwald coppin pleas?
Jan 14th 2019
31
Remember when he said Joy Ann Reid needed to get fired
Jan 14th 2019
34
Yep.
Jan 14th 2019
36
      she endorsed physical torture of gay people (conversion therapy).
Jan 14th 2019
38
greenwald pretty much changes his views daily
Jan 14th 2019
35
I wanna be like, 'We Get It, You Hate The Neoliberal Dems*'
Jan 14th 2019
37
WoW...he is literally so frustrating...
Jan 14th 2019
45
Sidenote: I'm just glad it's no one's "turn" this go round, no
Jan 14th 2019
41
Prediction: Bernie/Biden partisans are going to make the argument
Jan 14th 2019
42
That would have started happening already, and I havent seen that yet.
Jan 14th 2019
43
following a midterm election of unprecedented youth and diversity
Jan 14th 2019
44
      the more i think about it...i dont think either biden or bernie will win
Jan 14th 2019
46
           I agree, age is important
Jan 15th 2019
49
I sure hope youre right. Would be refreshing. Might be Kamala's turn tho
Jan 16th 2019
52
Hasan's top 10 Dem Presidential Candidates for 2020 (Intercept):
Jan 15th 2019
48
Not really, man
Jan 16th 2019
53
I've always liked her not sure of her chances though
Jan 15th 2019
50
I have unanswered questions, but im very excited about this
Jan 16th 2019
51
New apology video for past LGBTQ comments/views
Jan 17th 2019
54
I only read the tweets, I didn't watch the video (edit)
Jan 17th 2019
55
So in 2015 when she said she still believed those things, she just
Jan 17th 2019
56
that's def worth asking her
Jan 17th 2019
57
Are people worried she's going to pass DOMA legislation?
Jan 17th 2019
58
She actually sponsored a repeal of DOMA, for the record
Jan 17th 2019
64
RE: She actually sponsored a repeal of DOMA, for the record
Jan 17th 2019
66
it doesn't have to be that extreme
Jan 17th 2019
65
      So this is her...what about the emails...?
Jan 17th 2019
68
           probably more in line with "super predators"
Jan 17th 2019
69
           How are those two situations at all comparable?
Jan 18th 2019
75
                RE: post 61
Jan 18th 2019
80
                     RE: post 61
Jan 18th 2019
82
I know her comments were more recent, but how many of us had cringeq
Jan 17th 2019
59
In politics? Forever
Jan 17th 2019
60
This is what she's done IRT legislation
Jan 17th 2019
61
Right
Jan 18th 2019
76
this is a really good point
Jan 17th 2019
62
It only comes down to what she'll do, not how she feels. See post 61
Jan 17th 2019
63
      I was referring specifically to
Jan 17th 2019
70
i was pretty bigoted at 22
Jan 17th 2019
67
her comments were in the early 2000's
Jan 18th 2019
73
She has a 100% rating for the Human Rights Commission
Jan 18th 2019
72
tulsi gabbards own aunt said her new act is fufu.
Jan 18th 2019
77
Family members who disagree w/ your politics?
Jan 18th 2019
78
its a little more than disagreeing fam. shes saying shes lying.
Jan 18th 2019
79
      While there are some reasonable points of criticism on Tulsi
Jan 18th 2019
83
I give this about as much cred as say... Malik Obama
Jan 18th 2019
81
      damn i forgot about him. i just looked at his twitter feed. holy shit
Jan 18th 2019
86
      except this is based on a concrete well documented track record.
Jan 18th 2019
87
           right now you got accusations/opinions of one family member
Jan 18th 2019
88
The more I think about it, the better her candidacy is going to be for B...
Jan 18th 2019
84
fuck no
Jan 18th 2019
85
tulsi gabbard: both sides to blame for shutdown
Jan 20th 2019
89
lol
Jan 20th 2019
90
Aloha...means goodbye.
Jan 20th 2019
91
Lol yup
Jan 20th 2019
92
Lmao
Jan 21st 2019
93
Repubs are far more to blame, but i will say the following
Jan 21st 2019
94
lol many sides many sides
Jan 21st 2019
95
i mean...dems offered trump $25 bil when he held daca hostage.
Jan 21st 2019
100
      Exactly
Jan 21st 2019
102
McConnell has blocked house passed spending bills from being voted on 3X
Jan 21st 2019
96
Oh i totally agree and thought i said as much. And Tulsi didnt offer
Jan 21st 2019
98
What deals do you think they should have made with Donald?
Jan 21st 2019
97
Im not the one with access to think tanks and geniuses, but shit
Jan 21st 2019
103
      He’s already backed out on deals man
Jan 21st 2019
104
      Im not saying this to defend Tulsi. Ive been saying this for longer
Jan 21st 2019
105
           He doesn’t care about the wall man
Jan 21st 2019
108
                The wall IS racist and it would be very ineffective
Jan 21st 2019
109
                     RE: The wall IS racist and it would be very ineffective
Jan 21st 2019
115
      Ugh. Stop.
Jan 21st 2019
106
      If all it takes
Jan 21st 2019
110
           We give him that wall we give him 4 more years
Jan 21st 2019
112
           4 more years of exploiting his ego for progressive Ws? Ok
Jan 21st 2019
113
                what are you even talking about?
Jan 21st 2019
116
           You're criticizing a fiction
Jan 21st 2019
114
      fam trump caught flack from right wing media
Jan 21st 2019
107
           Obviously he's hellbent on the wall. Thats my point.
Jan 21st 2019
111
so dems are at fault for catering to the ego of a petulant child? lol
Jan 21st 2019
99
Ouch
Jan 21st 2019
101
1st Tulsi Gabbard ad (link)
Jan 24th 2019
117
Bannon, Republicans praise AOC (link)
Jan 31st 2019
118
cmon man
Jan 31st 2019
119
      you really need to button up.
Jan 31st 2019
120
           You okay, man?
Jan 31st 2019
121
                really unproductive discussion.
Jan 31st 2019
122
                     you're right about one thing
Jan 31st 2019
123
                          you can just speak for yourself, it's ok.
Jan 31st 2019
124
                               Smh
Jan 31st 2019
125
                                    ^^^
Feb 05th 2019
129
Tulsi has too much baggage she needs to get out.
Jan 31st 2019
126
1st official endorsement: david duke
Feb 05th 2019
127
lol
Feb 05th 2019
130
and she followed alt right white supremacist angelo john gage.
Feb 05th 2019
131
alt right developing plan to support tulsi gabbard in primaries.
Feb 05th 2019
132
She just rebuked him and said "nobody should give him attention"
Feb 06th 2019
135
      ok then why did she start following his ally on twitter?
Feb 06th 2019
137
           Not at all - just pointing out the double-standard
Feb 06th 2019
139
                You ignored his other point
Feb 06th 2019
141
                I'm not playing defense on every single accusation you throw at her
Feb 06th 2019
148
                     Its not an accusation. She is following these people
Feb 06th 2019
153
                nuance/context is key.
Feb 06th 2019
149
                     absolutely - but nuance/context wasn't used
Feb 06th 2019
151
                          fam.
Feb 06th 2019
156
                          You are the one ignoring context. Can you not see that?
Feb 06th 2019
157
NBC News caught smearing Gabbard w/ bogus sources
Feb 05th 2019
128
Did Greenwald really say this?
Feb 06th 2019
133
      Never heard of that and can't find any evidence that he did say that
Feb 06th 2019
136
           nothing, it’s just an awful thing to say
Feb 06th 2019
143
                it is - if true.
Feb 06th 2019
146
the thing I find so interesting is that the
Feb 06th 2019
134
That's the hypocrisy that is absurd to observe
Feb 06th 2019
138
not True
Feb 06th 2019
142
      yea again - we just have to agree to disagree.
Feb 06th 2019
147
           nope. It isn't true that her foreign policy is her only hang up
Feb 06th 2019
155
                i dont know why vex thinks *everyone* is unreasonably biased
Feb 06th 2019
160
                     Its frustrating. You know I'm down to critique the party, etc.
Feb 06th 2019
161
                     sacrificing aoc to save tulsi was not a plot twist i saw coming lol.
Feb 06th 2019
162
                     I never said that - there are reasonable criticisms about her
Feb 06th 2019
170
nah, they were overlooked in the general
Feb 06th 2019
140
Assad is not an enemy of the United States
Feb 06th 2019
144
Am I missing something?
Feb 06th 2019
145
you must realllllly like Tulsi
Feb 07th 2019
194
      We really don't have a margin for error for this kind of thinking
Feb 08th 2019
196
she isnt only killing her presidential campaign.
Feb 06th 2019
150
She's been consistent with her views on this for years now
Feb 06th 2019
152
      the last thing she has been is consistent with her views lol.
Feb 06th 2019
154
           I'm with her (c)
Feb 06th 2019
164
                I would love to hear from her detractors on this point
Feb 06th 2019
166
                     personally? I don't care about the DNC
Feb 06th 2019
167
                     In the full link provided below...there are currently attempts to paint ...
Feb 06th 2019
168
                     both can be true
Feb 06th 2019
172
                          Specific to foreign policy, because that was the basis of the interview
Feb 06th 2019
173
                               thought we were talking about the DNC and NBC...
Feb 06th 2019
177
                                    Got it, thanks
Feb 06th 2019
183
                     you should care. The 2016 DNC hierarchy is the
Feb 06th 2019
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                          Fair. I more meant that I’m not
Feb 06th 2019
191
                               Breh...she's being attacked by NBC
Feb 07th 2019
192
                                    I answered this already man
Feb 07th 2019
193
                                         Yes, there are valid concerns/issues with any and all candidates
Feb 07th 2019
195
                     Wait, you think it HURT her to leave the DNC?
Feb 06th 2019
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                          I wish the DNC was as benign as you paint it to be
Feb 06th 2019
175
                          Lol, SURE it is.
Feb 06th 2019
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                               think I'll take Donna Brazile and DNC whistle-blowers word over yours
Feb 06th 2019
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                                    Donna sold a lot of books, good for her.
Feb 06th 2019
184
                                         how convenient to dismiss her because it doesn't align w/ your view
Feb 06th 2019
187
                                              Speaking of Tulsi supporters...
Feb 06th 2019
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                                                   I made it a practice to ignore hacks that were essentially wrong
Feb 06th 2019
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                          I'm not sure how that is your point of contention based on my reply
Feb 06th 2019
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                               you at least have to admit
Feb 06th 2019
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                               RE: you at least have to admit
Feb 06th 2019
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                                    Lol so you think Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was on the fast track
Feb 06th 2019
186
                               RE: I'm not sure how that is your point of contention based on my reply
Feb 06th 2019
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                                    Kewl, thanks for your pointless service.
Feb 06th 2019
185
...because Syria is not a threat to the United States...
Feb 06th 2019
158
      she couldn’t answer that question directly
Feb 06th 2019
163
           Full link, LOL@morning Joe, what a shit show
Feb 06th 2019
165
                I watched that entire interview this morning and was cringing
Feb 06th 2019
169
                So is he a good guy or a bad guy?! Morning Joe are some wanks
Feb 06th 2019
171
this poast needs this:
Feb 06th 2019
159
Tulsi to NBC: "Why do you prefer Al-Qaeda/ISIS to Assad?"
Feb 08th 2019
197
hard pass, thanks, buh-bye
Feb 08th 2019
198
tulsi gabbard 1st campaign event in iowa drew 13 people.
Feb 11th 2019
199
It’s way to nice in Hawaii to waste time in Iowa
Feb 11th 2019
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part of that's due to a flight delay/last minute re-schedule
Feb 11th 2019
201
you just can't resist the negative Tulsi news lol
Feb 11th 2019
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she also gave a speech to a crowd of 200 later in the day
Feb 11th 2019
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That room clearly holds 30 people...she's already lost the majority
Feb 11th 2019
204
fam she putting up steve bannon numbers lol
Feb 11th 2019
205
      you putting up guccifer numbers
Feb 11th 2019
206
Its exactly what we've been saying it is
Feb 12th 2019
207

Stringer Bell
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1. "I’m glad she’s in."
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I want to hear her give a rousing speech, have yet to hear that from her. She comes off a little low energy at times. Maybe I just haven’t seen the right clips.

But I really like some of her politics. Hindu or not, she doesn’t seem to respect the sacred cows of the Democratic establishment.

  

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10. ">Hindu or not, she doesn’t seem to respect the sacred cows"
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wack

  

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Stringer Bell
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13. "Vishnu, Brute?"
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makaveli
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2. "What do you think of this tweet of her’s?"
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https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/649615636088365058?s=21

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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4. "RE: What do you think of this tweet of her’s?"
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>https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/649615636088365058?s=21

All she did was state a couple of facts that have gotten lost in the mire of a long-standing foreign policy that is corrupt and based on lies and vested interest.

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makaveli
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9. "Okay"
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/kfile-tulsi-gabbard-lgbt/index.html

#votekremlinAGAINin2020

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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3. "if she didn't have a shit foreign policy"
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and by that I mean, her open embrace of drones and right-wing nationalist types across the globe.... I'd be OK with her.

the Jacobin article about her will expand on what I mean:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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5. "RE: if she didn't have a shit foreign policy"
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Embracing drones is horrible, but there is not likely to be anyone more antiwar in a crowd of Warren, Biden, Harris, Sanders, etc. Most of whom will pretend foreign policy doesn’t exist like in the last Dem primary.

  

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6. "she got too many right-wing cosigns to accept"
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7. "Nah, i'm good. "
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Can't just ignore that foreign policy Syria issue because its makes it more comfortable for her.

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8. "She's a right wing plant"
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And Russian bots are already shilling for her like crazy.

hard pass on this hoe

  

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11. "she def smelling like jill stein."
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12. "not sold either way. i don't know enough"
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she's more interesting than anyone else who announced this week though

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14. "Who is she for?"
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There will be other candidates who have her good positions that don't share her Hindu nationalist/homophobic/pro-Assad views.

Are there that many Democratic primary voters who genuinely want the US to intervene more in Syria?

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15. "Tulsi Gabbard’s Homophobic Remarks Surface...."
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After 2020 Presidential Announcement

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-homophobic-remarks_us_5c3a6030e4b01c93e00a5952

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Reeq
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16. "i think she might withdraw her candidacy before the 1st primary."
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honestly...running for president might be the worst thing she could have done for her political career. cuz now her past record is national news and its pretty ugly.

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17. "I am not sure what her long game was. "
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I figured it was to jump to national prominence and get a role in the likely upcoming democratic administration, but she had to know that she would get torched for this sort of stuff especially considering if she was one of the first to declare.


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18. "gonna be pissed if she basically fell on the grenade for the progressive..."
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people gonna point at her and be like "THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T..."

instead of looking at the fact that David Duke and Steve Bannon were bigging her up

  

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Reeq
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21. "seems a lil weird for her to run if bernie runs too."
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assuming she wants to win.

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Reeq
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19. "i have a hunch there are ulterior motives involved. "
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suddenly turn progressive, co-opt the left of the left, russian trolls/bots mobilize, exploit the schism. basically a sequel/reboot.

putin identified the left of the left as being just as gullible/susceptible to anti-dem propaganda as trump supporters (hes done it in other countries to dis-unify liberals there too). a lot of them havent smartened up. might as well keep milking that cow.

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20. "She was fully aware of the challenges surrounding her candidacy"
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and Hawaii has had all of these conversations about her, and she's still dominated and is championed by progressives and independents alike there (with a very vocal, but very small minority bringing up all the points/concerns that you are all bringing up).

Presidential politics is ugly - this shouldn't be a surprise to her or her team.

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25. "why doesnt she debate her opponents then?"
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https://theintercept.com/2018/08/03/tulsi-gabbard-primary-challengers-hawaii/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-tulsi-gabbard-dodges-debates

if shes completely comfortable with her track record...why is she using the same tactics that entrenched 'establishment' incumbents use to rely strictly on name/party recognition and avoid having their weaknesses exposed by lesser-known opponents?

after criticizing the dnc for the lack of debates in 2016...youd think she would champion a vigorous democratic contesting of issues/ideas right?

are you still sure this person is who you think she is?

do progressives condone playing hide and seek from the constituents you are supposed to serve?

because they were singing a different tune with aoc/crowley and nixon/cuomo.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/997123064696639489
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1008876093653348353
https://twitter.com/CynthiaNixon/status/1022843012420968448
https://twitter.com/CynthiaNixon/status/1013924686353387521

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47. "were these debates that the state party organized?"
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I didn't see any mention of who was sanctioning/organizing these debates. Generally, it is the responsibility of the state party (or the DNC in national races) to organize debates. It's not up to a challenger (or an incumbent) to organize personalized side debates.

That being said, I always support debates in state primaries (even at lower level races) - so I would've supported Gabbard's challenger(s) in calling for a debate. But I would take that up with the state party (just as it was taken up with the DNC in 2016) as to why debates aren't being organized/scheduled.


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24. "Damn... "
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shut up already, damn

  

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22. "pass"
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23. "RE: Tulsi Gabbard is finally in for 2020"
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https://twitter.com/Patrick_Fenelon/status/1084278351982981122

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26. "lol"
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28. "Never heard of her but she is off to a great start"
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Homosexual Extremist.

Lmao.

shut up already, damn

  

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29. "FINALLY, a lefty meme that ACCURATELY describes the other side"
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Instead of calling moderate/center-right Dems... "liberals"

  

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27. "alt right troll wants you to know tulsi definitely isnt pro-israel"
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and him and his band of pro-israel buddies will do everything to stop her because shes so not pro-israel and everyone should know she absolutely isnt pro-israel especially dems looking to vote for a dem that is totally not pro-israel. *wink wink*
https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/1083909034082656257

hmmmm...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwvZ7heXcAE3pjU.jpg

this reminds me of when trump tweeted for everyone to tune into judge jeanine and judge jeanine blasted paul ryan for defying trump and was like 'i absolutely did not talk to the president about doing this' lol.

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30. "LOL. "
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She's getting targeted at every single corner of the political spectrum. She also seems to appeal to selective factions within the entire continuum of the political spectrum.

Most paradoxical candidate to emerge this cycle in terms of wide-ranging distaste *and* support.

The 2-party duopoly has failed our country - it's a broken system. I welcome any challenge or shock to its foundation, whether that's from the "left" "center" or "right".

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32. "Wat?"
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>The 2-party duopoly has failed our country - it's a broken
>system. I welcome any challenge or shock to its foundation,
>whether that's from the "left" "center" or "right".

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33. "shes basically running as a newly woke republican lol."
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like when glenn beck threw on the warby parker glasses with the frosted tip hair and supported black lives matter for a month lol.

seriously tho...these arent just peripheral issues shes trying to reinvent herself on. these are core beliefs. moral groundings.

we talked about this in the other post...but bernie has been downright consistent on just about every issue but guns (which i dont really knock him for in vt). it shows that his career has genuinely been based on values intrinsic to him and not just political calculus.

as much as his supporters chide folks for not really being progressive or just being opportune progressives (like booker/gillibrand coming around on medicare for all)...i still have no idea why theyre so die-hard for this woman.

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40. "If Republicans had Tulsi's platform, they'd be on that Thaddeus"
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Steven throwback.

>like when glenn beck threw on the warby parker glasses with
>the frosted tip hair and supported black lives matter for a
>month lol.

lmao. I do remember that -- he was on CNN trying to button up that "Obama hates white people" chapter of his career lol

>seriously tho...these arent just peripheral issues shes trying
>to reinvent herself on. these are core beliefs. moral
>groundings.

I agree. Having met w/ her and having observed her policy evolution, I'm comfortable with her core beliefs and moral standing. I actually think in some respects, it's more impressive to observe the journey of someone who was programmed by religious conservatism - to later evolve through internal inquiry and experience - into the progressive champion that Tulsi is today.

I realize many will judge her on her past - but I'm judging her on the platform she is presenting and the positions she is working to implement today, not when she was 21.

>we talked about this in the other post...but bernie has been
>downright consistent on just about every issue but guns (which
>i dont really knock him for in vt). it shows that his career
>has genuinely been based on values intrinsic to him and not
>just political calculus.

There's only one Bernie Sanders, though.

>as much as his supporters chide folks for not really being
>progressive or just being opportune progressives (like
>booker/gillibrand coming around on medicare for all)...i still
>have no idea why theyre so die-hard for this woman.

For me - I'm largely a supporter of hers because of her foreign policy prescription - which is a centerpiece issue for me. The fact that her platform mirrors Bernie's in many ways certainly helps to buoy support - but if she didn't have the conviction and nuanced understanding of foreign policy that she has, I likely wouldn't be so high on her. I do also genuinely believe that she has a unique ability to appeal to a broad electorate in a general. In Hawaii she has drawn support all across the political spectrum. That's what you want in a presidential election.


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39. "Do you welcome Donald Trump?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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71. "just noticed this...you lost your credibility man"
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>The 2-party duopoly has failed our country - it's a broken
>system. I welcome any challenge or shock to its foundation,
>whether that's from the "left" "center" or "right".
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If stuff like this is why you support Tulsi or Bernie, you don't really have a good point to make.

We are currently living in a nightmare brought about by a "shock to the system" from the right.

How is it working out for you and yours? Or people you can just have empathy for?

Nah. This whole "lets just blow the shit up" led to Trump and fucked up a lot of people's lives.


  

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74. "yea that's not what I'm saying, at all"
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>We are currently living in a nightmare brought about by a
>"shock to the system" from the right.

Trump was not a "shock to the system" in the way you portray. He's a billionaire elitist who has cozy'd up with oligarchs, the Clintons, and elites of all allegiances. He knows how broken Washington is - and he's exploiting that - but his admin. is also run by the same criminals (in banking, finance & war) that have plagued our system for decades.

He's not a "shock to the right", either. If you look at his policies, they are very in-line with what the GOP establishment wants to achieve.

More than anything - Trump has made us reflect and look at our ugly face in the mirror (whereas other politicians did a good job of veiling how broken and corrupt our system is). Trump is a reflection of our current state of affairs - not a shock or challenge to it.

Bernie Sanders would've been a shock to the system in challenging the systemic ills that are rotting the core of our government.

>How is it working out for you and yours? Or people you can
>just have empathy for?
>
>Nah. This whole "lets just blow the shit up" led to Trump and
>fucked up a lot of people's lives.

Yea nobody is saying "let's blow this shit up" (at least nobody I rock with). What I'm saying is - let's really challenge the established order of business as usual in Washington - on all fronts. I welcome progressive and post-partisan challenges to this broken duopoly -- be it from AOC, Tulsi Gabbard, or perhaps a futurist reformer of republicanism who wants to bring that political party back to life so that it's not morally bankrupt, en masse.


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31. "is Greenwald coppin pleas?"
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Gabbard needs to take that Kevin Hart Walk...

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1084120912620933121
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34. "Remember when he said Joy Ann Reid needed to get fired"
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Because of old blog posts?

I don't even watch MSNBC like that, but you can't pretend her homophobic blog posts are in the same league as someone attempting to legislate homophobia.

There's nobody who I've lost respect for more the last few years than Greenwald. And it's not even just politics, he just seems like a weird person nowadays. I think Twitter completely broke him.

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36. "Yep."
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I mean, Joy definitely needed to take that Hart Walk but Gabbard out here calling cats "Homosexual Extremists"

I dunno why, but when you call someone gay "homosexual" that's revealing

  

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38. "she endorsed physical torture of gay people (conversion therapy)."
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i dont even know how you rationalize giving her a pass on that but riding hard against someone for some derogatory posts/tweets.

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35. "greenwald pretty much changes his views daily "
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to take up any position to attack the 'dem establishment' while later giving a pass to his preferred pundits/candidates for the same thing.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/937802729392689152
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/937338279757844480

dude is basically a parody at this point with the convenient flip flopping. im not sure why anybody takes him seriously.

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37. "I wanna be like, 'We Get It, You Hate The Neoliberal Dems*'"
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* - Hillary Clinton and her allies

we do too. but god damn, dude... LOL

  

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45. "WoW...he is literally so frustrating..."
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with the amount of passion and steam he puts out, I want him to not be the way he is as those above me in reply to you have done...

it's just confounding because his command of history is on point but his selective opinioning is maddening at times.

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41. "Sidenote: I'm just glad it's no one's "turn" this go round, no "
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coronation, presumptive nominee or clear frontrunners (so far). I welcome everyone really hashing it all out, this time.

  

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42. "Prediction: Bernie/Biden partisans are going to make the argument"
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that it is in fact their guy's "turn" this go round.

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43. "That would have started happening already, and I havent seen that yet."
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44. "following a midterm election of unprecedented youth and diversity"
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in the dem party...the 2 frontrunners are white dudes who will be the oldest prez ever elected by almost an entire decade lol.

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46. "the more i think about it...i dont think either biden or bernie will win"
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the dem nom.

as crazy as the past 2 election cycles have been on the specifics...historical trends hold up well when looking at them in the abstract.

dems always pick a younger prez than the preceding repub prez going back to like fdr.

the mood of the dem electorate has already changed so much in 2 years. it will prolly change even more in another 2.

i wouldnt be surprised if women came out heavy and put a woman over the top.

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49. "I agree, age is important"
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77, 76, 69. These are not who we want debating a 73 year old. The right candidate in their mental prime could waste Trump in a debate. Dems should not handicap themselves with another old fogey

  

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52. "I sure hope youre right. Would be refreshing. Might be Kamala's turn tho"
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But i hope not

  

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48. "Hasan's top 10 Dem Presidential Candidates for 2020 (Intercept):"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziTg8c_miUo

LOL. I know he had to spend some time trying to come up with 10 names before Tulsi.

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53. "Not really, man"
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I didn't watch the video, but I could probably name 15. And that isn't a jab at you or her, but to act like there aren't a bunch of candidates is dishonest.


Can you please tell us specifically what you like about Tulsi, other than admiring her "evolution?"


Specifically, I would love to hear about a policy that sets her apart (in a good way)...?


Extra points if you don't mention her military service. I'm starting to get the vibe some folks on the "left" are just hyped for a vet who also takes shots at the party.

  

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50. "I've always liked her not sure of her chances though"
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51. "I have unanswered questions, but im very excited about this"
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More than any particular issue, i just have immense respect for her overall integrity and case-by-case approach to issues.

And i think she would be kryptonite to Trump. She would utterly dismantle his fake tough-guy act. She wouldn't even have to say anything for everyone to know she's 1000 times tougher than him, and she isnt going to pearl-clutch and take the bait every one of his stupid tweets and insults, so he wont be able to paint her as some kind of wimpy pc-police sjw snowflake, which is his main political weapon.
She'll even call him a little bitch from time to time lol.

But she'll actually be focused on the issues and he'll have to wade into deeper substantive waters against her.

  

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54. "New apology video for past LGBTQ comments/views"
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https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1085959308112809986

What say you? commendable, or 'fuck her'?

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55. "I only read the tweets, I didn't watch the video (edit)"
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>https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1085959308112809986
>
>What say you? commendable, or 'fuck her'?

Before reading these tweets, I was looking at her sideways based on reports of her earlier anti-LGBTQ stance.

However, that was a solid explanation & apology, especially as politicians go. She explained how her past beliefs were formed and how she moved away. She laid out what she claims to believe now.

I still don't know enough about her to throw my support behind her. But that's a pretty good way to explain a change in position.

  

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56. "So in 2015 when she said she still believed those things, she just"
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wasn't going to try and legislate them, was that true?

Though at least it's a better defense than the one her Twitter army was offering up last week. So that's something.

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57. "that's def worth asking her"
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I'm sure it will come up, but the 2015 thing,from what I read seems vague enough that she can probably say that what she meant was misinterpreted. Whether that's true or will be believed will have to be seen

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58. "Are people worried she's going to pass DOMA legislation?"
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I'm just curious on this topic...what people are really concerned about

?

Do they think she'll get the democratic nomination and if elected, overturn LGBTQ legislation...I'm assuming LGBTQ rights is entirely a democratic policy staple

Just wondering why this topic resonates so heavily

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64. "She actually sponsored a repeal of DOMA, for the record"
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66. "RE: She actually sponsored a repeal of DOMA, for the record"
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*edit* - should have scrolled down to post 61

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65. "it doesn't have to be that extreme"
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she doesn't have to be mike pence to have things she's said called into question. I don't see anything wrong with pressing her. let her explain herself. she'll probably have to do it repeatedly. it's part of running for office.

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68. "So this is her...what about the emails...?"
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I can live with that then...

I do think it's kinda silly though

Correct me if I'm wrong, but anti-LGBTQ state legislation, when challenged, has been overturned

The civil rights language was amended to include LGBTQ protections

I guess I just don't see it as an issue this cycle

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69. "probably more in line with "super predators""
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75. "How are those two situations at all comparable?"
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Hillary's Emails wasn't an issue of legal discrimination against a class of American citizens. Some people think that's a non-starter.

This isn't difficult.

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80. "RE: post 61"
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You just reinforced why it's a gotcha topic by replying here and not in response to her record as an elected official

If someone were antiabortion as a personal belief but preserved the freedom to choose as an elected official...I wouldn't have a problem with that

What discriminatory legislation has she passed?

HRC's super predator comment ushered in an acceleration of mass incarceration

Are you worried a Tulsi administration will usher in an era of forced conversion therapy...even though the Supreme Court strikes down state laws that are discriminatory against LGBTQ?

What is your biggest concern IRT Tulsi and LGBTQ citizens?

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82. "RE: post 61"
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>You just reinforced why it's a gotcha topic by replying here
>and not in response to her record as an elected official

What makes it a "gotcha" topic?

>If someone were antiabortion as a personal belief but
>preserved the freedom to choose as an elected official...I
>wouldn't have a problem with that

Good for you.

>What discriminatory legislation has she passed?

Legislators don't pass legislation.

>HRC's super predator comment ushered in an acceleration of
>mass incarceration

I could've sworn that was the war on drugs/gutting the social safety net/the rise of private prisons and was compounded by the 1994 crime bill. Didn't realize it all stemmed from a comment made by the First Lady at the time. How was I able to pass 12th grade American Government class? But sure, you can add Hillary Clinton to the list of people I definitely won't be voting for in the 2020 Dem primary if that helps.

>Are you worried a Tulsi administration will usher in an era of
>forced conversion therapy...even though the Supreme Court
>strikes down state laws that are discriminatory against
>LGBTQ?

"SCOTUS would strike down any homophobic shit she wanted to do" is a bad argument, both because of who sits on the bench and because the courts aren't going to save anyone. I'd rather support one of the dozens of other candidates who aren't weird homophobes instead.

>What is your biggest concern IRT Tulsi and LGBTQ citizens?

My biggest concern with her is actually about foreign policy/her support for authoritarians/her Bannon-curious nature, I just also think that her gross bigotry is another reason she sucks. But yeah, I don't see any reason why someone this far behind on this issue should be the de facto head of the party and the next president.

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59. "I know her comments were more recent, but how many of us had cringeq"
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worthy opinions on LGBTQ issues in the past?

If someone says they are off that and now have a new opinion on the issue, "evolved" as Obama put it, how much can you hold it over their head?


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60. "In politics? Forever"
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IRL I think 5 years...

I can’t see how someone can be anti in 2015 but see the light in 2018 without there being some other motivation.

shut up already, damn

  

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61. "This is what she's done IRT legislation"
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H.R. 2282 Equality Act of 2017 which amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity among the prohibited categories of discrimination or segregation in places of public accommodation
H.R. 1755 Employment Non-Discrimination Act
H.R. 2839 Restore Honor to Service Members Act
H.R 2532 Respect for Marriage Act
H.R. 197 Repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act
H.R. 683 Military Spouses Equal Treatment Act
H.R. 1199 Safe Schools Improvement Act
H.R. 932 Healthy Families Act
H. Res. 549 Designating June 26th as LGBT Equality Day
H. Res. 208 Equality for All Resolution, which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in areas that include credit, employment, education, federally funded programs, housing, jury service, and public accommodations
H.R. 3273 LGBT Data Inclusion Act
Signed the Marriage Equality Amicus Briefs
Advocated for LGBT Housing / Privacy Rights
Advocated to End Bullying and Harassment in Schools
Tulsi signs letter urging President Trump to reverse transgender military ban https://votesmart.org/public-statement/1197627/letter-to-donald-j-trump-president-of-the-united-states-representatives-urge-trump-to-reverse-transgender-military-ban#.XBfzFBNKikZ

Are you worried she'll get into office and flip flop?

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76. "Right"
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People are bringing up Obama, whose stance was supporting civil unions, but not "marriage" (which was the mainstream Dem position from about 2000-2011.) Not the most courageous stance, but it probably helped him in 08.

Tulsi was on the "watch out for The Homosexual Agenda, they're coming to destroy your families" stuff.

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62. "this is a really good point"
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Really comes down to if the change of heart seems sincere, or just politics.

But, great point.

  

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63. "It only comes down to what she'll do, not how she feels. See post 61"
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Ppl can disagree with something or feel on the fence about something on a personal level and yet also believe their feelings have no place in law

  

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70. "I was referring specifically to"
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my own growth on the topic. In other words, I can relate to growing up on the issue- assuming she's sincere, I'd be a hypocrite to be mad at her. Feel me?


To the point of "it only matters what she'd do"...I suppose that's technically true I don't know if that is really for us to say, if that makes sense.





  

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67. "i was pretty bigoted at 22"
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not wishing harm, but your typical "I don't care what they do, but stop forcing it on us" nonsense.

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73. "her comments were in the early 2000's"
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that's nearly 20 years ago now. She was wrong - and she's admitted it readily - and she's changed (genuinely - not just because of political expediency).

All of these purity tests are rich coming from Centrist Democrats who were themselves anti-gay marriage in the early 2000's.


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72. "She has a 100% rating for the Human Rights Commission"
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is a member of the LGBQT Caucus in the House, and has a perfect record on all issues central to LGBQT rights and equality.

I also think it's funny that people point to the "Progressive Punch" rating. They rated Booker as being more progressive than Bernie Sanders (lol) - so have fun with that skewing and spinning.

After this initial wave of anti-Tulsi smear pieces (largely from pro-Zionist NeoCon foreign policy hawks and DNC loyalists who still blame her for challenging the DNC, bucking orthodoxy, and being the first high-profile backer of Sanders in the House in 2016) - voters will actually get a chance to assess her for themselves - sans agenda - and I think she will win many of them over.

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77. "tulsi gabbards own aunt said her new act is fufu."
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https://twitter.com/realchrissyg/status/1085237828357771264

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/20/letters-from-the-november-20-2017-issue/amp?__twitter_impression=true
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78. "Family members who disagree w/ your politics?"
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79. "its a little more than disagreeing fam. shes saying shes lying."
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83. "While there are some reasonable points of criticism on Tulsi"
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The smears mentioned here are pretty hacky my dude.

I have yet to see these smears mention the legitimate areas where there needs to be debate and clarification:

*Tulsi's early policy on Syrian refugees
*Her drone policy (which is very similar to Obama's)
*Her conflicted views on "emergency" torture
*Support of Modi in 2014

But none of this is being discussed. People are trying to go after her for her *strengths* (progressive policies, pristine voting record on LGBQT equality/rights), anti-interventionist foreign policy etc..).

Let's stop the hacky and merit-less smears and get into real policy debate.


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81. "I give this about as much cred as say... Malik Obama"
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https://www.instagram.com/sbmission365/

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86. "damn i forgot about him. i just looked at his twitter feed. holy shit"
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Dudes got Pepe, and "cuck", and Trump and all of it

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87. "except this is based on a concrete well documented track record."
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88. "right now you got accusations/opinions of one family member"
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if i see a video like this drop, i'll give it more weight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZuayQFD51w

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84. "The more I think about it, the better her candidacy is going to be for B..."
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Sure some of his 2016 supporters are going to go for her, but it seems like it's mostly the extremely weird ones who spent the spring of that year having Twitter meltdowns and writing their "here's why the left should embrace Trump" hot takes. Which is only going to help with the whole "Bernie Bro" image problem.

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85. "fuck no"
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89. "tulsi gabbard: both sides to blame for shutdown"
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1087111870878752768

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90. "lol"
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Okay Tulsi.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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91. "Aloha...means goodbye."
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92. "Lol yup"
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93. "Lmao "
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94. "Repubs are far more to blame, but i will say the following"
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Ever since Trump took office, and this situation is no different, we've seen a complete and utter lack of imagination on the part of Democrat leadership in terms of finding deals that stroke Donald's ego and get W's for the people. Their whole entire game has been to be seen "resisting"

Tulsi is right about that.

And Pelosi/Schumer totally botched that televised meeting with Trump prior to the shutdown, total grandstanding, knowing they were going to make the situation worse.

But Tulsi didnt really offer any other ideas for solving the shutdown when asked. And this is obviously much much much more on Trump and Mitch's hands than Democrats...but Dems played a role.

  

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95. "lol many sides many sides"
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You are blaming the Dems because Donald can't be trusted to keep his word. smh

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100. "i mean...dems offered trump $25 bil when he held daca hostage."
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a deal he previously agreed to then suddenly rejected.

so now hes playing hard(er)ball for less money and a new set of hostages. and rejecting another deal that he previously agreed to.

and people still find a way to blame dems.

im not sure folks actually read/watch the news past the headlines/chyrons.

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102. "Exactly"
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>a deal he previously agreed to then suddenly rejected.
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That DACA deal is this first thing I thought about when I read Jon's comments about Dems.

>so now hes playing hard(er)ball for less money and a new set
>of hostages. and rejecting another deal that he previously
>agreed to.
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Plus the new deal will need Ann Coulter's approval, which is not going to happen.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/426181-ann-coulter-blasts-trump-shutdown-compromise-we-voted-for-trump-and-got-jeb


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They can't when they make comments like "both sides" are to blame.

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96. "McConnell has blocked house passed spending bills from being voted on 3X"
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This is not a both sides argument.

and I agree with the sentiment

But that's not even a qualified answer on this specific topic

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98. "Oh i totally agree and thought i said as much. And Tulsi didnt offer"
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any solutions of her own.

Let me say it again, Mitch and Trump are FAR more at fault.

I just think the Democrats have played into it and exascerbated things for political points at every opportunity rather than trying to get wins for the rest of us.

  

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97. "What deals do you think they should have made with Donald?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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103. "Im not the one with access to think tanks and geniuses, but shit"
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There have been plenty of situations where if it was my job i would have at least made the effort.

Everyone acknowledges Trump doesn't actually give a shit about ideology, snd just wants to prop himself up.

These career "problem solvers" can't find any way to suggest great projects, social and infrastructure, that has a big shiny TRUMP sign with extra sparkles and throw in a parade?

They could have even given him his wall that he's so damn desperate for (the money is actually kinda peanuts compared to some of our other waste), give it extra sparkles, make it a 20billion wall instead of a 5billion, with all sorts of conditions such as:

Whatever is spent on the wall is matched for programs/projects Dems want that help the people.

"Many Beautiful Trump Gates" (the wall must include a vast series of easily-accessible safe havens like hotels where refugees can enter and be fed and protected in a dignified manner, with phones, while having assylum/immigration requests processed by staff on hand, also meaning more jobs for Americans)

The wall must include our northern border with Canada, where more terrorists have come through, to "prove to the haters that The Great and Wonderful Trump is trying to protect Americans and not racist against Mexicans and Hondurans.

Lets say that doubles the cost to $40billion...matched for our programs, $80billion...and double that number for good measure: $160billion

Still ABSOLUTE PEANUTS compared to the trillion dollar F-35 jet that hasn't proven useful yet.

Even better, make a deal: "Trump Wall" for single-payer "Trump care"

  

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104. "He’s already backed out on deals man"
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You think he’d follow through on 40+ billion
for Democrat projects?

Cmon.

You’re twisting yourself into a pretzel to defend
Tulsi here.

This isn’t on the Dems at all. I’m worried opinions
will shift, but anyone who is paying attention
knows this.

As far as Tulsi, she is who we thought she was.

Grand opening, grand closing.

  

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105. "Im not saying this to defend Tulsi. Ive been saying this for longer"
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I also said twice in here that she had nothing to offer when asked what her solution might be.

Now we may disagree on the nature of the deals, or what it would take, or how difficult it might be to strike a deal with Trump that works for the people by exploiting his ego

But what i dont think is much of a serious debate is the fact that the Democrat establishment has barely tried.

  

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108. "He doesn’t care about the wall man"
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The GOP had two years to get a wall.

And again, he’s backed out on other deals.

So this idea that the Dems should negotiate X
and Y by catering to his ego is flawed, because
it assumes Trump will deal.

He manufactured a crisis. For what, I dont know.
Attention? Distraction? Fire up his ignorant base?

And we haven’t even touched on how racist AND
ineffective a wall would be.

This just isn’t a “both sides” situation. It isn’t a 70-30
situation.

And you are trying to defend her on this by saying
“She’s right”....but she isn’t right. She’s wrong.

  

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109. "The wall IS racist and it would be very ineffective"
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But he does care about it. I think he cares about it more than any other thing, because its tied directly to his ego. He hinged his entire political existence to the idea of this stupid wall and i think he's desperate for it.

And i believe the Dems could give him a big beautiful shiny one with his name writtin in gold, in exchange for making it an effective anti-racist pro-immigrant tool and getting other things out of it.



  

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115. "RE: The wall IS racist and it would be very ineffective"
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>But he does care about it. I think he cares about it more
>than any other thing, because its tied directly to his ego. He
>hinged his entire political existence to the idea of this
>stupid wall and i think he's desperate for it.

And yet, it didn't happen in the two years his party had control of the government.

My point was that the wall is really about winning points with his base and with Fox News talking heads.

Once you accept that, he isn't going to match dollar for dollar on Dem projects or something lol.

Because the second something like that was reported, Ann Coulter or whoever would pop off on him and he'd back down.



>
>And i believe the Dems could give him a big beautiful shiny
>one with his name writtin in gold, in exchange for making it
>an effective anti-racist pro-immigrant tool and getting other
>things out of it.
>
>
>
>


Jon, you're being willfully naive. Trump has already backed out of deals where he would have "given up" less than you are proposing.

It just isn't going to happen.


I worry about the optics for Dems, but then again if they cave, people will say they never fight.


The other thing is that a President can't shut down the government to get something he or she wants. That isn't how this is supposed to work.

Dems cave and next year he shuts it down for Space Force or some other shit.





  

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106. "Ugh. Stop."
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People want to prevent an immoral monument to racism. That's good. Stop trying to be clever.

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110. "If all it takes "
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is giving them a useless monument to their bullshit hatred in return for things that actually help the people they hate, that seems to me like a lopsided win for the object of their hate

  

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112. "We give him that wall we give him 4 more years"
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shut up already, damn

  

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113. "4 more years of exploiting his ego for progressive Ws? Ok"
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116. "what are you even talking about?"
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4 years of progressive wins? Cmon man.

Have you paid attention the last two years?


You aren't even playing fair at this point. You are arguing for an alternate reality where Trump can be negotiated with, where the GOP doesn't control the Senate, where Trump doesn't have people around him pushing for evil shit, where he isn't a complete slave to his base and Fox News.


This idea that Dems can just stroke his ego and get Medicare for all or some shit is literally insane.

  

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114. "You're criticizing a fiction"
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>in return for things that actually help the people they hate,
>that seems to me like a lopsided win for the object of their
>hate

The objective for Trump and his base is to inflict the maximum level of public cruelty on vulnerable people. As nearly everybody in this thread has explained to you, he will never agree to anything that doesn't achieve that goal. The stuff you're pretending that Democrats can get out of this will never be conceded because they're negotiating with a party incapable of negotiating in good faith and motivated by the desire for racist punishment.

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107. "fam trump caught flack from right wing media"
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for 'getting rolled' on previous stopgap and full appropriations bills because they included a bunch of spending that democrats wanted. they said dems were running the govt even tho repubs were in the majority in both chambers.

trump held a press conference immediately after the last spending bill he signed and literally said 'im not signing any more of those again' lol.

trump is hellbent on this wall...for very little concessions in return...just because his base (or at least their media figures) want it. he is not interested in genuine bipartisan good faith deals.

im not sure what you want democrats to 'try'.

democrats are open to negotiations but only *after* the govt is open. if you give in to negotiation-by-hostage-crisis now then what is to stop trump from doing the same for an obamacare repeal or another tax cut for the rich in the future?

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111. "Obviously he's hellbent on the wall. Thats my point."
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And obviously he doesnt give a shit about human beings.

The idea is dangle the dumb symbolic shit he's hell bent on in return for getting real shit that we want.

Im not saying my Wall idea is the way to go. Im saying im over here farting on a message board, while these career policy makers with all the resources on Earth a phone call away are hardly trying to actually exploit his ego and solve some problems... they'd rather stroke their own image by butting heads uselessly

  

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99. "so dems are at fault for catering to the ego of a petulant child? lol"
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dems job is to pass legislation. which they have been doing. the same bipartisan compromise legislation that passed the senate *unanimously* (nearly impossible in this day and age). the same legislation that the p and vp agreed to beforehand...before the p pulled the rug out from under *everybody* because some right wing media clowns said it was too soft.

its not the dems job to find creative ways to give in to the federal worker hostage crisis and embolden an autocrat that changes his mind at moments whim based on what show he watches.


>And Pelosi/Schumer totally botched that televised meeting with
>Trump prior to the shutdown, total grandstanding, knowing they
>were going to make the situation worse.

this didnt happen in reality tho. they didnt botch anything. the president calls a televised impromptu meeting to manipulate the media (like he has many other tinmes before that) and its the *dems* who are grandstanding? lol.

it was in that very televised meeting that pelosi/schumer got trump to admit *on camera* that he is responsible for the shutdown. by 'make the situation worse'...do you mean make the situation worse for trump? lol.

if anything...they played that meeting perfectly. actually exceeded any expectation they prolly had going into it.

public opinion has shown overwhelmingly that americans blame trump and repubs for the shutdown. and it only gets worse and worse by the week.

and because of *that*...trump and repubs are finally starting to put some concessions on the table (albeit mild).

if dems were wrong *anywhere* in this process...we wouldnt even be *here*.

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101. "Ouch"
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117. "1st Tulsi Gabbard ad (link)"
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https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1088548857607266304

Whether y'all like her or not, that's a good ad.

  

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118. "Bannon, Republicans praise AOC (link)"
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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/427592-top-conservatives-offer-praise-for-ocasio-cortez

I fully expect y'all to use the same simple logic that you used to dismiss Tulsi -- or nah?

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119. "cmon man"
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Thu Jan-31-19 06:39 PM by Stadiq

          

They praised her fight and "game"...said her policies are a disaster.

They aren't praising her for, say, insisting on using the term "radical Islam" or publicly shaming the Iran deal or praising Putin or...need I go on?


They actually like some of your girl's policies, man. Because they are often THEIR policies.


I guess you can keep cherry picking stuff, but she simply isn't a progressive in my (and others) opinion.

And your love of her foreign policy is strange at this point, because others have pointed out mad inconsistencies she has on that issue.

No diss, no snark- do you know her personally? I can't wrap my brain around your love for this woman. Its like you can't think objectively about her.

  

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120. "you really need to button up."
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Ah - so now it's *not* the case that Bannon's praise automatically disqualified her. Got it. Stay inconsistent.

>They aren't praising her for, say, insisting on using the term
>"radical Islam" or publicly shaming the Iran deal

She supported the Iran deal and blasted Trump for not honoring it. So what are you talking about?

or praising
>Putin or...need I go on?

LOL this is rich. Praising Putin? Show your work. When did she do that?

>And your love of her foreign policy is strange at this point,
>because others have pointed out mad inconsistencies she has on
>that issue.

I'm yet to see anyone point out inconsistencies or critique her foreign policy. Care to take a stab at it? You've shied away from doing so thus far.



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121. "You okay, man?"
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Thu Jan-31-19 07:29 PM by Stadiq

          

>Ah - so now it's *not* the case that Bannon's praise
>automatically disqualified her. Got it. Stay inconsistent.

Huh? You posted a gotcha article, and I'm guessing you didn't even read it.

You really cant see the difference between praising someone's style, but trashing their policies....and praising their actual policies? LOL cmon man.

You are honestly going to sit there and say "yep, its the same"?

>
>>They aren't praising her for, say, insisting on using the
>term
>>"radical Islam" or publicly shaming the Iran deal
>
>She supported the Iran deal and blasted Trump for not honoring
>it. So what are you talking about?

I am talking about her carefully worded, reluctant, vailed critque of Obama

“I have spent the past several weeks carefully studying the Iran Nuclear Agreement and searching for a better alternative, considering seriously the arguments posed by proponents and opponents of this agreement,” Gabbard said in her statement before listing all the officials she’s met with. “I decided to vote for the Iran Nuclear Agreement not because it’s a great deal, or even a good deal. I voted for it because I could not find a better alternative. There are two main alternatives—both of them bad."

Okay. She voted for it. But she played the "I guess this is the best Obama can do" card and, to my knowledge, did not offer a better option.

This is what we have been saying about the woman. I think if she was in a different state, her true colors would come out.

Or-

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/01/yes-tulsi-gabbard-iran-deal-war-hawk


>
> or praising
>>Putin or...need I go on?
>
>LOL this is rich. Praising Putin? Show your work. When did
>she do that?


https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/649615636088365058?lang=en

Adding to the right wing critique of Obama. Wait, did she evolve from this tweet in 3-4 years?


>
>>And your love of her foreign policy is strange at this
>point,
>>because others have pointed out mad inconsistencies she has
>on
>>that issue.
>
>I'm yet to see anyone point out inconsistencies or critique
>her foreign policy. Care to take a stab at it? You've shied
>away from doing so thus far.

Reeq already has in the other thread. I'm not shying away from anything.

I just don't think you can be this aloha-all-is-love non-interventionist, AND join the right wing in demanding the term "radical Islam" is used. Or taking a bunch of money from the very industry you claim she is against.

Oh, and this again.

https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/649615636088365058?lang=en

So is she anti-intervention, or bomb the shit out of them? Or just whatever lets her look like she is bucking the party?



How old are you Vex? Honest question. You suffer from hero-worship I think. You can be a HUGE fan of someone, and still admit their faults. You can still think objectively about things.


You can still admit that Bannon prasining AOC's style is not the same as him praising Tulsi's actual views.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall here. You can't be objective and all I recall you saying is "she's evolved" and/or "no one is perfect"

I can't think of a politician living or dead that I wouldn't have an honest critique for- even ones I admire.

You are straight up on some "Hilary needs to be praised for growing, she is just misunderstood, she is being treated unfairly" shit.


  

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122. "really unproductive discussion."
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These exchanges are pointless for the most part.

>You really cant see the difference between praising someone's
>style, but trashing their policies....and praising their
>actual policies? LOL cmon man.

That's the thing - Bannon wasn't praising Tulsi's policies either. What policy was he praising? Bannon disagrees with Tulsi's entire platform - what he liked was her "independent thinking" just as he likes AOC's "fire".

But that's not even the point. Multiple people here said that just the mere fact that Bannon praised Tulsi was a disqualifier. So, is it a disqualifier for AOC, too?

Of course not. Because that's a silly and petty thing to say.


>I am talking about her carefully worded, reluctant, vailed
>critque of Obama

>Okay. She voted for it. But she played the "I guess this is
>the best Obama can do" card and, to my knowledge, did not
>offer a better option.

She supports the Iran Deal. She blasted Trump for walking away from it. Lots of people thought the Deal could've been better or different - but the deal is the best deal we have (had) to preserve peace - and Tulsi voted for it. So you saying she was "shaming the deal" when the only thing she was shaming was Trump walking out of the deal is just inaccurate.

>https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/649615636088365058?lang=en

lol this can't be life. This is what you meant by "praising Putin"? Putin was and is bombing ISIS in Syria. That's a simple fact bruh. This is not praise. She's pointing out the absolute hypocrisy in our policy in the Mid East. We are only authorized to be there to fight ISIS & Al-Qaeda (who are opposed to Assad) - yet we are actually *aiding* those groups in their efforts to topple Assad. They are proxies of Saudi Arabia. Iran and Russia are bombing ISIS in Syria. You may want to study up a bit. It's complex

>I just don't think you can be this aloha-all-is-love
>non-interventionist, AND join the right wing in demanding the
>term "radical Islam" is used. Or taking a bunch of money from
>the very industry you claim she is against.

Not sure what all that means. I support precisely because foreign policy is deeply important to me. My partner is a refugee from Baghdad and I've had many people close to my die from war. She is bravely standing up against the forces that have corrupted our foreign policy for decades. What's important to me is not some quasi-academic discussion on the term "radical islamist" - it's about actual policy that destabilizes entire regions and creates vacuums for extremist groups to exploit that results in the massive loss of life.

But this conversation is going nowhere fast. Let's just move on.


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123. "you're right about one thing"
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>
>But this conversation is going nowhere fast. Let's just move
>on.
>
>
>-->


You're wrong about her man. And even if you still support her, etc- you gotta be able to talk/think about her in a critical manner.


The concerns I (and others) have raised can't just be waved away with false equivalencies and downplaying.

Facts are facts. You can still support her, of course.

To me, her tweeting Putin raise in the middle of all that shit was WRONG. It echos Fox news calling Putin a better leader than Obama.

To me, her playing into the right's need to vilify Islam is wrong- and dangerous.

To me, her taking money from the industry she is allegedly against is, at the very least, questionable.

To me, her "both sides" on this racist ass well is wrong.


These things happened. You can say "well homie, these things aren't important to me" and its done.

But you can't say "these things didn't happen" when they did.

And Bannon absolutely likes her, well, her "America first" sounding stance. Not all of her stances of course, but they definitely have common ground

She didn't meet with Trump's transition team because they liked her "fight"

Etc.


Just wish you would be consistent, admit facts, and then say "but I'm still riding with her because of x and y" or whatever.

  

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124. "you can just speak for yourself, it's ok."
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>The concerns I (and others) have raised can't just be waved
>away with false equivalencies and downplaying.

Nobody's waiving them away. You just don't like the explanations - which is fine. A lot of people talk about Tulsi as if they've only been aware of her for about 3 weeks (which often is the case).

Have fun with politics this primary season.

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125. "Smh"
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I cite “others” for a variety of reasons, I know I’m speaking
for myself, dog. My main point in saying “others” is
because I haven’t seen you give a sensible response
to anyone on this topic. Wave off, evolved, nobody’s
perfect.

Not sure why you’re upset or bothered by that.

>>The concerns I (and others) have raised can't just be waved
>>away with false equivalencies and downplaying.
>
>Nobody's waiving them away. You just don't like the
>explanations - which is fine. A lot of people talk about
>Tulsi as if they've only been aware of her for about 3 weeks
>(which often is the case).

But as people have done research, they have learned
about actual facts. Just because they are just learning
about her now doesn’t mean concerns aren’t valid.

Your “I’ve been down with her a long time” is a prime example
of waiving away criticism. You invalidate anyone’s
opinion cuz they aren’t enamored like you- that’s not
how it works.

It would be like a Kamala fan saying “folks just learning
about Kamala’s past now need to hush”...which, of
course, you wouldn’t accept.

You also pick and choose what to address. And, when
given proof that you requested, your response is
“That’s it? She’s just spitting facts”

Like, no shit Putin was bombing ISIS- the debate
wasn’t the facts. It was why is she praising Putin
to knock Obama like she’s fucking Sean Hannity?

Etc.


>
>Have fun with politics this primary season.
>
>-->

You too man. To lighten the mood, I want to ask
if you would rather have dinner with Bron or Tulsi
but I won’t....j/p

  

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129. "^^^"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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126. "Tulsi has too much baggage she needs to get out."
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127. "1st official endorsement: david duke"
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https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke

peep the header and pinned tweet.

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130. "lol"
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she also follows Cassandra Fairbanks on twitter apparently.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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131. "and she followed alt right white supremacist angelo john gage."
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https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/following?lang=en

https://twitter.com/AngeloJohnGage

https://dailystormer.name/tag/angelo-john-gage/

dude is a regular on the david duke show lol.


i dont see how anyone explains this away.

she can laugh at people connecting her to russian trolls and propaganda outlets.

but why is she willingly connecting herself to members of the alt right?

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132. "alt right developing plan to support tulsi gabbard in primaries."
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#drafttulsi
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyfmx0iWkAcd9UE?format=jpg&name=large

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135. "She just rebuked him and said "nobody should give him attention""
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but I realize that won't satisfy the hit-dogs. Just curious as to if you apply the same intensity to Bannon and other alt-right lunatics praising AOC.

My guess is no.

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137. "ok then why did she start following his ally on twitter?"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13306367&mesg_id=13306367&page=#13311826

following a regular contributor to the david duke show is not exactly the best way to distance yourself from david duke is it?

>Just curious
>as to if you apply the same intensity to Bannon and other
>alt-right lunatics praising AOC.
>
>My guess is no.

damn your tulsi support got you throwing even aoc under the bus just to protect her? lol.

seriously tho...i know you recognize the difference between bannon stanning for gabbard because he finds common ground in her views (much like david duke) and bannon just applauding the passion/aggression of aoc.

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139. "Not at all - just pointing out the double-standard"
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>damn your tulsi support got you throwing even aoc under the
>bus just to protect her? lol.

Just scroll up. People were flat out dismissing Tulsi because Bannon said something nice about her (no mention of policy) - yet are silent when he does the same for AOC. Very selective outrage.



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141. "You ignored his other point"
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His main point in fact.

And post 132.

As well as Mak’s point.

And....cmon.

  

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148. "I'm not playing defense on every single accusation you throw at her"
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But there has to be some balance here - otherwise the narrative would be: "Tulsi hates gays, loves Assad, and is being propped up by the Russians!"

Again - have fun with that.


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153. "Its not an accusation. She is following these people"
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149. "nuance/context is key."
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its not just that bannon said tulsis name. he said her name because he actually supports her (she was up for a position in the trump administration).

i dont know if youre being intentionally elusive here or if you really think things can be reduced down to 'he said both of their names'.

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151. "absolutely - but nuance/context wasn't used "
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when numerous people here said "Bannon likes her? Oh hell no, I'm done."

That ain't nuanced my guy.

>its not just that bannon said tulsis name. he said her name
>because he actually supports her (she was up for a position in
>the trump administration).

What are you basing that on? The fact that they she met with Trump to discuss foreign policy? I feel like I'm having '08 flashbacks when the right was lambasting Obama for saying he'd speak with enemies and/or perceived enemies to have a dialogue. Tulsi meeting with Trump to persuade him to not go to war with Iran/Syria does not mean that she was up for a cabinet position.

>i dont know if youre being intentionally elusive here or if
>you really think things can be reduced down to 'he said both
>of their names'.

I just want people to be consistent in their outrage. Bannon agrees with nothing about Tulsi's progressive platform except perhaps non-interventionist foreign policy and her view that refugees should be vetted (which I disagree with because refugees are already vetted w/ extensive thoroughness).

Not sure what people are asking here. Since David Duke is against intervention in Syria to help Israel - should Tulsi adopt the opposite view of him to appease the critics? What if Bannon says: "I like her environmental policy" - should she then say "oh we can't have that! let's change our environmental policy."

This is a silly game of holding people guilty by association - but in this sense it's not even association because she's outright rebuking their support (just like AOC is).

We're better than these cheap attacks and smears.

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156. "fam. "
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>What are you basing that on? The fact that they she met with
>Trump to discuss foreign policy? I feel like I'm having '08
>flashbacks when the right was lambasting Obama for saying he'd
>speak with enemies and/or perceived enemies to have a
>dialogue. Tulsi meeting with Trump to persuade him to not go
>to war with Iran/Syria does not mean that she was up for a
>cabinet position.

trumps own transition team said she was up for a cabinet position.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democratic-rep-tulsi-gabbard-consideration-trump-cabinet/story?id=43696303



>I just want people to be consistent in their outrage. Bannon
>agrees with nothing about Tulsi's progressive platform except
>perhaps non-interventionist foreign policy and her view that
>refugees should be vetted (which I disagree with because
>refugees are already vetted w/ extensive thoroughness).
>
>Not sure what people are asking here. Since David Duke is
>against intervention in Syria to help Israel - should Tulsi
>adopt the opposite view of him to appease the critics? What
>if Bannon says: "I like her environmental policy" - should she
>then say "oh we can't have that! let's change our
>environmental policy."
>
>This is a silly game of holding people guilty by association -
>but in this sense it's not even association because she's
>outright rebuking their support (just like AOC is).
>
>We're better than these cheap attacks and smears.


ok so why did she start following alt right (and david duke allied) figures on twitter? (reply #131 again).

you really have the blinders on when it comes to this woman.


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157. "You are the one ignoring context. Can you not see that?"
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>when numerous people here said "Bannon likes her? Oh hell no,
>I'm done."

Again, its the WHY he liked her.


>
>That ain't nuanced my guy.
>
>>its not just that bannon said tulsis name. he said her name
>>because he actually supports her (she was up for a position
>in
>>the trump administration).


Again, its that they wanted to talk to HER. Its the common ground they had with her.


>
>What are you basing that on? The fact that they she met with
>Trump to discuss foreign policy? I feel like I'm having '08
>flashbacks when the right was lambasting Obama for saying he'd
>speak with enemies and/or perceived enemies to have a
>dialogue. Tulsi meeting with Trump to persuade him to not go
>to war with Iran/Syria does not mean that she was up for a
>cabinet position.
>
>>i dont know if youre being intentionally elusive here or if
>>you really think things can be reduced down to 'he said both
>>of their names'.
>
>I just want people to be consistent in their outrage.

You know you have become the most inconsistent person now, though, right? You're all over the map trying to defend her.


Bannon
>agrees with nothing about Tulsi's progressive platform except
>perhaps non-interventionist foreign policy and her view that
>refugees should be vetted (which I disagree with because
>refugees are already vetted w/ extensive thoroughness).

BOOM a touch of truth. I'm like a proud dad right now.

Right. Her "America First" -sounding rhetoric appeals to him. Her rhetoric on refugees, Mulsims, etc appeals to him.

See the difference?


>
>Not sure what people are asking here. Since David Duke is
>against intervention in Syria to help Israel - should Tulsi
>adopt the opposite view of him to appease the critics? What
>if Bannon says: "I like her environmental policy" - should she
>then say "oh we can't have that! let's change our
>environmental policy."

What if...we talked about what they actually like about her, rather than hypothetical situations?

For instance, what if we question what white supremacists/white nationalists see in her actual views...to the point of praising those views and endorsing her?

And what if...Tulsi fans such as yourself could say..."I like her, but I can see why progressives would be turned off by her rhetoric on Muslims, refugees, Syria, Putin, etc"?


>
>This is a silly game of holding people guilty by association -
>but in this sense it's not even association because she's
>outright rebuking their support (just like AOC is).
>
>We're better than these cheap attacks and smears.
>
>-->

They aren't cheap attacks and they aren't smears.


They are things that happened, things she said, views she holds, people who have endorsed her, and people she follows on Twitter.


Discussing them does not = smears.

  

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128. "NBC News caught smearing Gabbard w/ bogus sources"
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https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/nbc-news-to-claim-russia-supports-tulsi-gabbard-relies-on-firm-just-caught-fabricating-russia-data-for-the-democratic-party/

Gotta tighten up before peddling these claims, family.

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133. "Did Greenwald really say this?"
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https://twitter.com/ozkaterji/status/1085302559433199618?s=21

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136. "Never heard of that and can't find any evidence that he did say that"
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but what does that have to do w/ the cited article?

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143. "nothing, it’s just an awful thing to say"
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I haven’t been able to confirm yet but apparently that was written on his own blog.

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146. "it is - if true."
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but I'm not going to get involved in a tangent argument about speculating on what he said (citing some obscure tweet).

The NBC article was an embarrassment to journalistic integrity.


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134. "the thing I find so interesting is that the"
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same people who were cape'n for Hillary and her past LGBTQ views are now making the judgment on Tulsi. The difference is the record. When Hillary was first lady she had the "super predators" comment, and then as a Senator in NY was in a state where stop and frisk ran rampant, and on a national level was all for the for-profit prison system. It was only after Obama and BLM where she made a point to start her 2016 campaign SPEECH about the prison industrial complex, but not in policy.

Tulsi on the other hand acknowledges how she was incubated in that hatred but instead was shown a way out, based on her experience in the military and how she can see the destruction of those types of views. AND she reinforced this in her voting records.

1. going into 2020, where you are hoping to appeal to the other side of the aisle and that constituency - the Deplorables - isn't it easier to do so from the perspective of a person who was once on that side of a discussion and saw a way out of it?

2. Tulsi is an interesting candidate in that she checks off A LOT of boxes that help for superficial and deeper level appeal:

- Woman candidate
- Person of color
- Former military
- Progressive platform
- Sanders adjacent
- "Real" Democrat
- clean of 2016 DNC mess
- Against interventionalist foreign policy
- for reinvestment in America infrastructure and working class
- convert on LGBTQ perspective

I mean....there is a lot to like about Tulsi as a candidate. At this point I am not mad at anyone being in the fold and conversation since it will bring a lot of things to the table. Looking forward to it, but no writing anybody off. That's what primaries are for.

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138. "That's the hypocrisy that is absurd to observe "
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>same people who were cape'n for Hillary and her past LGBTQ
>views are now making the judgment on Tulsi.

Many of those people going at Tulsi's throat on this board were playing full court defense for Hillary.

The difference is
>the record. When Hillary was first lady she had the "super
>predators" comment, and then as a Senator in NY was in a state
>where stop and frisk ran rampant, and on a national level was
>all for the for-profit prison system. It was only after Obama
>and BLM where she made a point to start her 2016 campaign
>SPEECH about the prison industrial complex, but not in
>policy.
>
>Tulsi on the other hand acknowledges how she was incubated in
>that hatred but instead was shown a way out, based on her
>experience in the military and how she can see the destruction
>of those types of views. AND she reinforced this in her voting
>records.

Exactly right. Tulsi's record as a Congresswoman is flawless on these issues. She has a 100% rating w/ the Human Rights Commission and is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus. Her progressive record on these issues is pristine.

>1. going into 2020, where you are hoping to appeal to the
>other side of the aisle and that constituency - the
>Deplorables - isn't it easier to do so from the perspective of
>a person who was once on that side of a discussion and saw a
>way out of it?

What most people are missing about Tulsi's candidacy is her ability to appeal to a wide swath of the electorate. You don't want to run a polarized candidate versus Trump that only appeals to life-long Democrat loyalists (see: Clinton).

>2. Tulsi is an interesting candidate in that she checks off A
>LOT of boxes that help for superficial and deeper level
>appeal:
>
>- Woman candidate
>- Person of color
>- Former military
>- Progressive platform
>- Sanders adjacent
>- "Real" Democrat
>- clean of 2016 DNC mess
>- Against interventionalist foreign policy
>- for reinvestment in America infrastructure and working
>class
>- convert on LGBTQ perspective
>
>I mean....there is a lot to like about Tulsi as a candidate.
>At this point I am not mad at anyone being in the fold and
>conversation since it will bring a lot of things to the table.
>Looking forward to it, but no writing anybody off. That's what
>primaries are for.

The main reason she is being written off is because of her spirited challenge to the Foreign Policy Establishment. Just this morning on Morning Joe - they were shamefully trying to smear her for visiting Syria and not falling in line w/ interventionist group-think. No other candidate is challenging our foreign policy and the use of war to create geo-strategic regime change like her - and that's the main reason you are hearing all of the reports (that lack merit) talking about her being "cozy with Assad" and a "Russian bot".

The Democratic Party is really shooting itself in the foot. They are doing their best to alienate Tulsi, Bernie, AOC and any other viable challenge to the Establishment infrastructure when they should be embracing these progressive champions.


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142. "not True"
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Wed Feb-06-19 11:07 AM by Stadiq

          

>>same people who were cape'n for Hillary and her past LGBTQ
>>views are now making the judgment on Tulsi.
>
>Many of those people going at Tulsi's throat on this board
>were playing full court defense for Hillary.

Nope. In fact, the Tulsi defenders sound like
Hillary supporters. Can’t admit flaws, refuse to
have an honest convo about the candidate, chalk
everything up to bias and/or unfair media.


>
>The difference is
>>the record. When Hillary was first lady she had the "super
>>predators" comment, and then as a Senator in NY was in a
>state
>>where stop and frisk ran rampant, and on a national level
>was
>>all for the for-profit prison system. It was only after
>Obama
>>and BLM where she made a point to start her 2016 campaign
>>SPEECH about the prison industrial complex, but not in
>>policy.
>>
>>Tulsi on the other hand acknowledges how she was incubated
>in
>>that hatred but instead was shown a way out, based on her
>>experience in the military and how she can see the
>destruction
>>of those types of views. AND she reinforced this in her
>voting
>>records.
>
>Exactly right. Tulsi's record as a Congresswoman is flawless
>on these issues. She has a 100% rating w/ the Human Rights
>Commission and is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus. Her
>progressive record on these issues is pristine.
>
>>1. going into 2020, where you are hoping to appeal to the
>>other side of the aisle and that constituency - the
>>Deplorables - isn't it easier to do so from the perspective
>of
>>a person who was once on that side of a discussion and saw a
>>way out of it?
>
>What most people are missing about Tulsi's candidacy is her
>ability to appeal to a wide swath of the electorate. You
>don't want to run a polarized candidate versus Trump that only
>appeals to life-long Democrat loyalists (see: Clinton).
>
>>2. Tulsi is an interesting candidate in that she checks off
>A
>>LOT of boxes that help for superficial and deeper level
>>appeal:
>>
>>- Woman candidate
>>- Person of color
>>- Former military
>>- Progressive platform
>>- Sanders adjacent
>>- "Real" Democrat
>>- clean of 2016 DNC mess
>>- Against interventionalist foreign policy
>>- for reinvestment in America infrastructure and working
>>class
>>- convert on LGBTQ perspective
>>
>>I mean....there is a lot to like about Tulsi as a candidate.
>>At this point I am not mad at anyone being in the fold and
>>conversation since it will bring a lot of things to the
>table.
>>Looking forward to it, but no writing anybody off. That's
>what
>>primaries are for.
>
>The main reason she is being written off is because of her
>spirited challenge to the Foreign Policy Establishment.

Again, no. That’s isnt the main reason.

It also isn’t the only reason. It’s just the thing you
want to talk about the most.


Just
>this morning on Morning Joe - they were shamefully trying to
>smear her for visiting Syria and not falling in line w/
>interventionist group-think. No other candidate is
>challenging our foreign policy and the use of war to create
>geo-strategic regime change like her - and that's the main
>reason you are hearing all of the reports (that lack merit)
>talking about her being "cozy with Assad" and a "Russian
>bot".

Except the things that actually happened that
you don’t address or just shrug off.
>
>The Democratic Party is really shooting itself in the foot.
>They are doing their best to alienate Tulsi, Bernie, AOC and
>any other viable challenge to the Establishment infrastructure
>when they should be embracing these progressive champions.
>
>
>-->

Again, trying to make a false equivalency with
your girl and AOC. Again, there are actual reasons
for progressives to at least pause on Tulsi.


  

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147. "yea again - we just have to agree to disagree."
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Particularly if we can't have an honest discussion where we acknowledge that there is significant media and DNC bias against Tulsi as a candidate. You can argue whether there's a legitimate reason for them to be biased against her - but to not point out the bias and smearing is just putting the blinders on because you don't like her as a candidate - which is completely your prerogative.

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155. "nope. It isn't true that her foreign policy is her only hang up"
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It just isn't true. You don't get your own facts, Vex.

And I don't have blinders on. I asked questions about her initially. Did some research. I was objective, because I wasn't opinionated either way.

You are the one who won't address certain things, etc.

  

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160. "i dont know why vex thinks *everyone* is unreasonably biased "
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against gabbard.

okp, dnc, nbc, dailykos, jacobin, theintercept, etc.

like at some point you would figure occams razor would kick in.

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161. "Its frustrating. You know I'm down to critique the party, etc. "
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This isn't the party or some establishment conspiracy. To your point, it is a lot of very progressive groups that have issues with her.


It is really frustrating that he just ignores so much or shrugs stuff off. You can't really talk to him because he just won't address things to the point where he'll just say "agree to disagree"...nah. Can't disagree on things that actually happened.

He is so far out of pocket on this Bannon quote that I'm scratching my head. I know he's smarter than this.

I think the "liberal" vet thing gives certain folks heart eyes or something.

How is it an "accusation" to point out she is following some alt-right folks on Twitter? lol

  

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162. "sacrificing aoc to save tulsi was not a plot twist i saw coming lol."
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anybody can get it apparently.

vex really airing out the whole block for a chick who pledged progressive phi psi in grad chapter lol.

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170. "I never said that - there are reasonable criticisms about her"
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as there are all candidates. Which is my point - no candidate is going to be perfect - but there is selective criticism at play here. For example - I haven't seen you say one negative thing about Kamala - but you're posting every single anti-Tulsi piece you can find. Meanwhile - I've said several positive things about Kamala even though she's not my preferred candidate by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm asking for us to focus on legitimate criticism. Painting her as anti-gay, pro-Putin, pro-Assad - and pro-dictator (because she did what Obama did: have a meeting with Modi) isn't exactly intellectually honest criticism.

I don't really see people criticizing her actual policies (but would be more than happy to have those discussions). It's also rich that people don't see that the DNC is behind a lot of this smearing after their promise in 2016 to essentially end her political career. Yet I see people saying things like, "Oh I don't really care about the DNC" and being apathetic about how inequitable the 2016 primary was adjudicated.

A policy based discussion would be:

She called for heightened vetting of refugees. I disagreed w/ that policy - but I am more concerned with the root cause: the U.S. creating refugees from unjust wars.

Another substantive discussion we could have would be her meeting with Trump and allegedly being considered for a cabinet position (which I still don't think was ever a real thing). But even if it was - we'd be in an infinitely better place with her as Sec. of State than we are now - so how would that be a bad thing?

I think Tulsi rubs people wrong within the party because her primary allegiance isn't to the party (like so many other dems) - it's to getting to the truth of these matters and thinking critically and independently on the challenging issues of our time. And the product of that is the strongest, most progressive platform that any candidate has produced as of yet.


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140. "nah, they were overlooked in the general"
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definitely not so much in the primary

it was one of the many linchpins used to divide and conquer leftist coalitions

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144. "Assad is not an enemy of the United States"
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That’s an interesting stance, Tulsi.

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1093173779184795650?s=21

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145. "Am I missing something?"
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When did Assad attack us?

Everyone is acting brand new and playing re-runs of Iraq circa 2003 like they didn't learn anything.

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194. "you must realllllly like Tulsi"
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lol... in here trying to tell us Assad aint that bad

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196. "We really don't have a margin for error for this kind of thinking"
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>lol... in here trying to tell us Assad aint that bad

Nobody is in here saying Assad is a great guy. But he isn't a proximate enemy/threat of the U.S. - and we shouldn't be waging war to oust him via proxy for Saudi Arabia and Israel (to counter Iran's influence in the region). That shouldn't be the business of our soldiers and our tax dollars.

Was Saddam Hussein a bad guy? Yes - just as Assad is. Should we have invaded Iraq and created the disastrous outcome because he was a "bad guy"? Absolutely not. We'd be infinitely better off if he remained in power - and so would the region and the Iraqi people.

It is not wise to go and demonize every "bad guy" in the world via interventionist regime-change that usurps the sovereignty of that nation and its right to self-determination.

It's dumbfounding that this still needs to be discussed and explained in 2019.

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150. "she isnt only killing her presidential campaign."
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she might be killing her next congressional run.

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152. "She's been consistent with her views on this for years now"
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and has won 4 elections in Hawaii with more than 80% of the vote.

The people of Hawaii know who she is - unlike people who just looked into her 4 weeks ago after reading a dailykos hit piece on her.


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154. "the last thing she has been is consistent with her views lol."
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if that were the case then you wouldnt have to constantly defend her 'evolving'.

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164. "I'm with her (c)"
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lol ok cheap shot, but in seriousness she is consistent in that she changes based on certain moral conflicts. I appreciate that most about her as a candidate (though for the record, she doesn't automatically have my vote. She is an important voice).

Raised anti-LGBTQ - reinforced it in her views. Had a change of view then also changed her policy to support it.

Lifelong Democrat (even while holding those previous views) - saw a division and unfairness in 2016. Stepped down from the DNC after previously being put on a national stage to heighten profile within the party - chose to stand down anyway and support Sanders which was TOTALLY unpopular.

Served in military - EXPERIENCED WAR AND ITS CASUALTIES - is now hesitant on foreign policy interventionism.

Most of this I would exhibit as positive attributes. When Obama ran in 2008 and said he would TALK to enemies, not negotiate, before heading into war, he was heralded for it. Now we are saying she is an ally for having a conversation? If you want politicians to be consistent then keep the same energy for ourselves.

You don't have to "like" her, but she, among others, will be a contribution to the primary discussions that help formulate our platform going forward.

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166. "I would love to hear from her detractors on this point "
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"Lifelong Democrat (even while holding those previous views) - saw a division and unfairness in 2016. Stepped down from the DNC after previously being put on a national stage to heighten profile within the party - chose to stand down anyway and support Sanders which was TOTALLY unpopular."

She was DNC Vice Chair (until she wasn't)

For all the negative commentary about her recently...isn't that also a reflection on the party that elevated her to such a prominent position last cycle?

Alot of attacks on her...when it was all good just a week ago...

Hmm

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167. "personally? I don't care about the DNC"
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...or about who has DNC positions and who doesn't. I'm not enamored with that organization enough to be impressed by who they put in positions.

Especially from 2010-2016. If anything, that is a detraction for me lol


As far her her stepping down to endorse Bernie? Cool. But that isn't enough to make me overlook my other concerns.


>"Lifelong Democrat (even while holding those previous views)
>- saw a division and unfairness in 2016. Stepped down from the
>DNC after previously being put on a national stage to heighten
>profile within the party - chose to stand down anyway and
>support Sanders which was TOTALLY unpopular."
>
>She was DNC Vice Chair (until she wasn't)
>
>For all the negative commentary about her recently...isn't
>that also a reflection on the party that elevated her to such
>a prominent position last cycle?

Yeah the party doesn't have a strong record of competence- especially from 2010-2016. In fact, they were rather inept at a lot of things.

>
>Alot of attacks on her...when it was all good just a week
>ago...
>
>Hmm

Not really. Not "all good" to me, anyway.

  

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168. "In the full link provided below...there are currently attempts to paint ..."
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her as Pro-Assad and a Putin ally

You don't question the motive of that from Dem friendly outlets like NBC...2.5 years after she was so embedded in the party...?

+ she's being elected with 80% of the vote in HI, according to her...is that not a reflection of the party and supporters?

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172. "both can be true"
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There can be bias against her and real issues that people have.

For instance, there is no question Clinton faced sexism in '16. That doesn't mean she was a good candidate. That doesn't mean every critique of her is sexist.

This is why Tulsi fans are sounding like Clinton supporters. I got yelled down so much for "bias" and "sexism" etc. A lot of them wouldn't talk honestly about their candidate.


My issue, at this point, is Tulsi supporters chalking every single concern someone as up to "bias" etc.

Are there hit pieces? Sure. But, not every article critical of her is a hit piece.


>her as Pro-Assad and a Putin ally

There is enough that has come out of her own mouth to have me concerned.

>
>You don't question the motive of that from Dem friendly
>outlets like NBC...2.5 years after she was so embedded in the
>party...?

I'm not saying every article out there is without motive or bias.


However, the flip side is that her supporters have painted every single concern and criticism as bias, etc.

Both can be true. The party can be biased against her AND there can be legit reasons that progressives aren't interested. I fall in the latter.

My criticism of Tulsi does not = an endorsement of NBC, the DNC, or whoever.

>
>+ she's being elected with 80% of the vote in HI, according to
>her...is that not a reflection of the party and supporters?
>
>

I'm not familiar with Hawaii politics, but is it not reasonable to assume any Dem candidate would do well there? The real test will be her upcoming primary.


Either way, I'm not saying "I would vote for a Republican over Tulsi"...so if I were in HI, I'd probably vote for her too in the general.

Feel me?

  

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173. "Specific to foreign policy, because that was the basis of the interview "
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"There is enough that has come out of her own mouth to have me concerned."

Please elaborate

As Bern did in 16' with progressive policies, I want Tulsi in the primaries in the hope she can push the DNC foreign policy platform to nonintervention

Please expound on your concerns on that policy  

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177. "thought we were talking about the DNC and NBC... "
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Sorry, this back and forth seemed to me like it was about "what do her detractors think about her being so important to the DNC a few years ago.." and potential media bias.

I wasn't referring to the interview below, I haven't seen it.

>"There is enough that has come out of her own mouth to have
>me concerned."
>
>Please elaborate

In general, I get the appeal of non-intervention. I just don't think its that simple- especially these days. Specific to Tulsi- she doesn't seem that consistent on the issue, even. I also don't care for her praising Putin to knock Obama. This one hits home for me, not because I am some Obama stan. But because she essentially repeating Fox news talking points that Putin was a stronger leader, etc. Some racist ass shit. I really dislike her rhetoric on Muslims. I think her take on refugees is equally destructive. I don't like her carefully worded, very hesitant support of the Iran deal. And it seems she chooses her words more carefully when discussing Assad versus say someone like Obama.

My take? I think she is an excellent politician. She has sold her story to some folks that have clearly bought it with much enthusiasm. She sold flip-flopping as growth, etc.

I think she has carved out a lane for herself (and gotten a lot of attention she would not otherwise get) by being a rebel to the Dems. I think the Bernie endorsement actually helped her status a lot more than it hurt her, and I'm not convinced she didn't see an opportunity in doing so. She probably would be even more unknown without that endorsement.

Sometimes her bucking the party seems like attention grabs. Sometimes it seems like she is this > < close to showing her libertarian roots or some shit.

>
>As Bern did in 16' with progressive policies, I want Tulsi in
>the primaries in the hope she can push the DNC foreign policy
>platform to nonintervention
>
>Please expound on your concerns on that policy  

I get that take. In fact, I could see the potential in her at least forcing the Dems to articulate a foreign policy in more clear terms- which I think would be a benefit.

So, I don't necessarily disagree with you there.

My major beef is with the lack of consistency most of her supporters apply when it comes to her. She either "evolved" or there is bias or the point is just straight up ignored or b-b-but she is a vet!

*shrugs*



  

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183. "Got it, thanks"
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The NBC/DNC angle...as stated in a reply below...

I don't think anything provided so far, or as you pointed out, is breaking news

i.e. the information was out there for the 16' cycle

The DNC elevated her to vice chair...if these critiques are valid...aren't they also a reflection of a party that elevated her to vice chair?

Where were the NBC/MSM hit pieces before she stepped down and endorsed Bern?

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190. "you should care. The 2016 DNC hierarchy is the"
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entire story of how the planets aligned for Hillary's turn. From Tim Kaine stepping down, Shultz getting the driver's seat, Kaine later getting the VP slot in the ticket, and even Tulsi stepping down. All the way through the current DNC lawsuit which is getting NO press coverage.

The same DNC that determines the final platform, and the number of debates and orders of primaries and whether provisional ballots are counted and how - you should be made. That tells the entire story.

My only point is that when the other side points to the mess of 2016 (which will come up since the Democrats entire platform is Russia ruined us) she is a candidate who is blameless of that entire issue from the internal corruption of the democratic process. They had much more election meddling than any Russian facebook memes.

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191. "Fair. I more meant that I’m not "
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Impressed or concerned with Tulsi’s position in the DNC.

In other words, “she was okay before she stepped
down” doesn’t apply to me because I certainly
wasn’t enamored with any Dem leadership
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192. "Breh...she's being attacked by NBC "
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How could that not concern you...or any voter for that matter

Do you think the hit pieces and smears happen if she doesn't step down?

Like Man said, it's the same meddling and disinformation they claim to be the victim of by Russia

People need to see it.

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193. "I answered this already man"
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See our back and forth below lol.

Not every critique is a hit piece.

Yes she would still be getting criticized- every candidate
is getting heat- including Kamala.

Me not liking her isn’t an endorsement of NBC

It’s possible to not like Tulsi and not like the DNC

I don’t like some things she has actually done/said.


Even if there is some establishment attack on her,
that doesn’t invalidate my concerns.

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195. "Yes, there are valid concerns/issues with any and all candidates "
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2.5 years later, the attempt is to tie her to:
Bannon
Duke
and Putin

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03/nbc-news-to-claim-russia-supports-tulsi-gabbard-relies-on-firm-just-caught-fabricating-russia-data-for-the-democratic-party/

^^^ hitpiece from D friendly MSM outlet

You really don't see it?

We've gotten Russian smears on;
Bernie
Jill
and now Tulsi

What do they have in common?

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174. "Wait, you think it HURT her to leave the DNC?"
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It amazes me how important Bernie bros think the DNC is. It's becoming like the Trilateral Commission for certain people. Maybe lizard people are involved.

I hadn't heard of her, and I'd bet you hadn't heard of her, until she LEFT the DNC. I'd also bet you wouldn't be able to name a single DNC chair before Debbie Wasserman Shultz without the help of Google.

  

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175. "I wish the DNC was as benign as you paint it to be"
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but given that it's an established fact that they tipped the scales (organizationally) in the 2016 primary in favor of Clinton - it's irresponsible to just ignore that fact and claim that all they do is host clambakes and bowing alley gatherings.

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178. "Lol, SURE it is."
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>but given that it's an established fact that they tipped the
>scales (organizationally) in the 2016 primary in favor of
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180. "think I'll take Donna Brazile and DNC whistle-blowers word over yours"
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being that they were actually working inside the DNC and observed the bias - even calling it "rigging" - but thanks for your insight.

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184. "Donna sold a lot of books, good for her."
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But she didn't make any accusations. We had this out at the time.

And I don't know what other "whistleblowers" exist that you might be talking about, but my guess is they didn't have any concrete accusations either, let alone evidence.

  

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187. "how convenient to dismiss her because it doesn't align w/ your view"
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Nicely done.

While we're at it - the DNC leaks didn't really happen, either.

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188. "Speaking of Tulsi supporters..."
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>the DNC leaks

Yes, emails were stolen and posted out of context (Something you suddenly care a lot more about. Congrats on what I can only assume is significant personal growth.), with the specific intent to weaken the progressive candidate and elect Trump. Glad we all remember that. Thanks Bernie Bros for falling for that.

But I asked at the time what was in the emails to imply that the DNC used its magical powers either to help Hillary or to hurt Bernie. Nobody's given me a hint.

And yes, I'm dismissing Donna's use of the word "rigged" because it was entirely unrelated to anything she described in the chapter. She used the word to sell books to rubes like you.

  

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189. "I made it a practice to ignore hacks that were essentially wrong"
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about every single thing regarding the 2016 primary - particularly ones that hurl sophomoric insults.

Unsurprisingly, you were one of the loudest (and most wrong) about Clinton's electability in a general - just as you're loud and wrong about this. While I'm sure you've experienced growth upon reflection of that malpractice, I think I'll let you cook in peace with your other fellow hacks this election cycle.

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176. "I'm not sure how that is your point of contention based on my reply "
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So allow me to clarify

Every critique of her recently, was also an available critique of her...when the DNC was elevating her through the ranks of the party

How is a critique of her today, also not a critique of the party that promoted her to vice chair last cycle?

So you believe that stepping down and endorsing Bern HELPED her?

LOL@Bernie Bros in 2019...grow up.

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Stadiq
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179. "you at least have to admit"
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>So you believe that stepping down and endorsing Bern HELPED
>her?

It made her more famous, though right? Regardless of yours or anyones opinion on Tulsi, you gotta admit that made waves, etc?

I'm sure you would say that the potential enemies she made was more of a negative...and that's fine if you think that.

But it definitely got her attention, no? And it also did garner a lot of goodwill/loyalty with Bernie supporters.

  

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181. "RE: you at least have to admit"
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>
>>So you believe that stepping down and endorsing Bern HELPED
>>her?
>
>It made her more famous, though right? Regardless of yours or
>anyones opinion on Tulsi, you gotta admit that made waves,
>etc?

within certain factions of the electorate - sure. Within the DNC party infrastructure? Absolutely not.


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186. "Lol so you think Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was on the fast track "
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for the presidency?

That DNC party infrastructure. So powerful!

  

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182. "RE: I'm not sure how that is your point of contention based on my reply "
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>So allow me to clarify
>
>Every critique of her recently, was also an available critique
>of her...when the DNC was elevating her through the ranks of
>the party

Elevating her through the ranks of the party? LOL. You know the Democratic National Committee is NOT the party, right? It's fucking busywork. I serve on about a dozen committees and its fucking pointless bureaucracy.

They offer advice to state parties on when to hold their primaries, but the actual power is with the state parties and the state governments. And they nag people to raise more money. That's pretty much it.

She probably joined as a favor to someone.


>How is a critique of her today, also not a critique of the
>party that promoted her to vice chair last cycle?
>
>So you believe that stepping down and endorsing Bern HELPED
>her?

OBVIOUSLY. Jesus. Who outside of Hawaii had even heard her name before she endorsed Bernie?


>LOL@Bernie Bros in 2019...grow up.

Even when Bernie's not around people can still act like Bernie bros.

  

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185. "Kewl, thanks for your pointless service."
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N/M

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158. "...because Syria is not a threat to the United States..."
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She's speaking from the context of opposing regime change

Do you disagree?

That convo was heating up toward the end when she pushed back...is there a full link? I'd like to hear the entire exchange

Did you hear Pence's comments on Venezuela? Is Maduro an enemy of the United States?

She's speaking against regime change as foreign policy

We're about to watch that happen in VZ

Do you support that idea?

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163. "she couldn’t answer that question directly"
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calling someone an enemy is not equal with going to war with them. She danced around answering a simple question.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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165. "Full link, LOL@morning Joe, what a shit show"
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https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/rep-gabbard-assad-is-not-an-enemy-of-the-us-1438093891865

If you listen to her speak, she does refer to him as an adversary

They keep pushing this stupid topic and I actually appreciate her sticking to her platform

Regime change is not foreign policy

Listening, she never actually refers to Assad

She's steadfast focused on the mission objective of defeating ISIS

Further, she is an Iraq veteran

Her valuing the lives of soldiers over perpetual war shouldn't be a surprise

Show me the evidence before deploying troops

We should not be in Iraq or Syria as a staging ground for Iran

The AOF is not a blank check

Etc...

After watching the whole clip, I'm left asking myself what they were pushing for

I'm going to assume they had a line of follow up questioning that was contingent on her taking the bait

Enemy = how do you propose dealing with it...which puts us back at regime change

+ the reference to the NBC/Russia story...fell flat too

WTF is going on at NBC? That was pitiful.

Congrats on the 3 second sound bite and click bait headline

Imagine if she said he was an enemy...but still opposed removing Assad...I can only imagine what the sound bite and click bait would be

Guaranteed there would be one though.

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169. "I watched that entire interview this morning and was cringing "
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Kasie Hunt doesn't surprise me - as she was reporting in such a biased manner in 2016 against Sanders - but I was hoping Joe would have a bit m
ore sense than to pull the "if you oppose war in Syria you're a Russian stooge" card - but he constantly has foreign policy "experts" on the show pushing the anti-Iran, pro-Israeli/Saudi narrative - so really not a surprise.

Brave of Tulsi to go into that den knowing that they just pushed that fraudulent NBC article out there.

Thankfully - there are some real journalists out there who are throwing a flag on this non-sense:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/sns-201902051203--tms--amvoicesctnav-a20190205-20190205-column.html
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171. "So is he a good guy or a bad guy?! Morning Joe are some wanks"
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The headline they pulled from this interview is pretty dumb.

The Guardian and The Intercept have some decent critiques of Tulsi as a candidate (including her relationship w/Assad), but the Morning Joe crew are some legit simple fucks. Kasie Hunt comes off as brick dumb.







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159. "this poast needs this:"
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https://pics.me.me/the-i-dont-argue-with-people-harriet-tubman-wouldve-shot-36026341.png

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197. "Tulsi to NBC: "Why do you prefer Al-Qaeda/ISIS to Assad?""
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https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1093247102254268418


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198. "hard pass, thanks, buh-bye"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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199. "tulsi gabbard 1st campaign event in iowa drew 13 people."
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https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1095006536076808197

im honestly not sure this is a serious campaign fam.

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200. "It’s way to nice in Hawaii to waste time in Iowa"
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shut up already, damn

  

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201. "part of that's due to a flight delay/last minute re-schedule"
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still not a great look.

It's a bit of a bummer, the way she's being covered, though. She's got some really good/important ideas on election and campaign finance reform. I can see why people think she's not a viable candidate, but she's also pretty on point with some stuff.

Unfortunately for her, she's somehow in the Howard Dean Yaaaah! zone, where everyone is just laughing, snarking and partying til the campaign fizzles out.

The only campaign i've ever seen survive that is Trump.



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202. "you just can't resist the negative Tulsi news lol"
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fam - it's February 2019. Gillibrand visited NH last week and spoke to 5 people in a coffee shop.

It's ridiculously early in the process. These tiny meetings interfacing with small groups is what it's all about at this stage.

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203. "she also gave a speech to a crowd of 200 later in the day"
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it's not huge, but yeah. A lot like the Morning Joe stuff, it's just taking something out of context to needlessly shit on her.


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204. "That room clearly holds 30 people...she's already lost the majority "
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LOL

730AM on a monday.

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205. "fam she putting up steve bannon numbers lol"
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https://twitter.com/joshrobin/status/1054533934170755074
https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/1057435107194220544

you know that shit is funny lol.

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206. "you putting up guccifer numbers"
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207. "Its exactly what we've been saying it is "
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mofos falling for the damn okie doke

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