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13312031, not True
Posted by Stadiq, Wed Feb-06-19 11:05 AM
>>same people who were cape'n for Hillary and her past LGBTQ
>>views are now making the judgment on Tulsi.
>
>Many of those people going at Tulsi's throat on this board
>were playing full court defense for Hillary.

Nope. In fact, the Tulsi defenders sound like
Hillary supporters. Can’t admit flaws, refuse to
have an honest convo about the candidate, chalk
everything up to bias and/or unfair media.


>
>The difference is
>>the record. When Hillary was first lady she had the "super
>>predators" comment, and then as a Senator in NY was in a
>state
>>where stop and frisk ran rampant, and on a national level
>was
>>all for the for-profit prison system. It was only after
>Obama
>>and BLM where she made a point to start her 2016 campaign
>>SPEECH about the prison industrial complex, but not in
>>policy.
>>
>>Tulsi on the other hand acknowledges how she was incubated
>in
>>that hatred but instead was shown a way out, based on her
>>experience in the military and how she can see the
>destruction
>>of those types of views. AND she reinforced this in her
>voting
>>records.
>
>Exactly right. Tulsi's record as a Congresswoman is flawless
>on these issues. She has a 100% rating w/ the Human Rights
>Commission and is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus. Her
>progressive record on these issues is pristine.
>
>>1. going into 2020, where you are hoping to appeal to the
>>other side of the aisle and that constituency - the
>>Deplorables - isn't it easier to do so from the perspective
>of
>>a person who was once on that side of a discussion and saw a
>>way out of it?
>
>What most people are missing about Tulsi's candidacy is her
>ability to appeal to a wide swath of the electorate. You
>don't want to run a polarized candidate versus Trump that only
>appeals to life-long Democrat loyalists (see: Clinton).
>
>>2. Tulsi is an interesting candidate in that she checks off
>A
>>LOT of boxes that help for superficial and deeper level
>>appeal:
>>
>>- Woman candidate
>>- Person of color
>>- Former military
>>- Progressive platform
>>- Sanders adjacent
>>- "Real" Democrat
>>- clean of 2016 DNC mess
>>- Against interventionalist foreign policy
>>- for reinvestment in America infrastructure and working
>>class
>>- convert on LGBTQ perspective
>>
>>I mean....there is a lot to like about Tulsi as a candidate.
>>At this point I am not mad at anyone being in the fold and
>>conversation since it will bring a lot of things to the
>table.
>>Looking forward to it, but no writing anybody off. That's
>what
>>primaries are for.
>
>The main reason she is being written off is because of her
>spirited challenge to the Foreign Policy Establishment.

Again, no. That’s isnt the main reason.

It also isn’t the only reason. It’s just the thing you
want to talk about the most.


Just
>this morning on Morning Joe - they were shamefully trying to
>smear her for visiting Syria and not falling in line w/
>interventionist group-think. No other candidate is
>challenging our foreign policy and the use of war to create
>geo-strategic regime change like her - and that's the main
>reason you are hearing all of the reports (that lack merit)
>talking about her being "cozy with Assad" and a "Russian
>bot".

Except the things that actually happened that
you don’t address or just shrug off.
>
>The Democratic Party is really shooting itself in the foot.
>They are doing their best to alienate Tulsi, Bernie, AOC and
>any other viable challenge to the Establishment infrastructure
>when they should be embracing these progressive champions.
>
>
>-->

Again, trying to make a false equivalency with
your girl and AOC. Again, there are actual reasons
for progressives to at least pause on Tulsi.