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Hank and them were so much sloppier with their placement of those tracking devices.

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Mike taking on jobs is what I look forward to in every episode.
It's kinda like preparing for a job in GTA 5.

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on this Better Call Saul makes it even that much crazier at who took him out in Breaking Bad.

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I absolutely loathe that guy.

Not that Jimmy is a saint or anything given that we know how he turns out but Chuck is a brand of scumbag all his own. I was somewhat understanding until Ernesto's comment on the last ep of season 2.

He's that dude who says he despises his deadbeat relative based on some moral standard but ultimately wants/needs that relative to remain a deadbeat to help boost his own smug sense of superiority. This is particularly glaring in light of everything Jimmy has done to take Carr of Chuck. Jimmy is admirably selfless in that regard.

Yet, it's not enough for Chuck to simply look down on Jimmy. He has to put Jimmy to the floor and stand in his neck at every turn.

It's been increasingly clear over two seasons, but this premiere just underscores it. That was a perfectly run con operation.

Jimmy uses his understanding of people and the law to manipulate the system... but Chuck uses his understanding of people and the law to manipulate people, period. That's why he was so shocked end of last season, because he thought, end of the day, that Jimmy would never turn on him like *that,* and he underestimated just how smart/devious Jimmy can be when he operates outside of the law. But he's clearly not going to make that mistake again. He's going to turn everyone against Jimmy-- everyone-- without stepping one toe outside of the law. He's going to try to win his way.

They're both the same son of a bitch... but Chuck has sanctimoniousness in his game, whereas Jimmy has shamelessness. Flip sides of a coin.

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This is why I made distinction specifically in terms of His relationship to Jimmy.

In Jimmy's case, he made a move against Chuck that ultimately didn't hurt him that bad but was also deserved. Chuck couldn't simply let Kim bounce with a good client that HHM really didn't need; he had to be greedy and cut the legs out from under her and, by extension, Jimmy. Chuck lets them have that one bone and all is well.

It cost him a client and his rep took a hit but in the grand scheme of things he would have been just fine. Jimmy's move on Chuck was more about helping Kim (and yes, by extension, himself) in salvaging a client that Kim earned but not malicious at heart.

Conversely, Jimmy ultimately shows his love for and loyalty to Chuck to his own detriment.

The skill and scope of their respective gamesmanship might be two sides of a coin but I think the heart of each character relative to the other has a very clear distinction.

no one's in chuck's life that isn't making tremendous sacrifices to be in his presence.

we'll see how the stories play out, because i'm assuming we'll all end in shades of grey, but he's definitely worse than jimmy so far.

he hates jimmy because people like jimmy, but he never wants to put any work into people because they just complicate his ordered view of the world and the law.

>no one's in chuck's life that isn't making tremendous
>sacrifices to be in his presence.
>
>we'll see how the stories play out, because i'm assuming we'll
>all end in shades of grey, but he's definitely worse than
>jimmy so far.
>
>he hates jimmy because people like jimmy, but he never wants
>to put any work into people because they just complicate his
>ordered view of the world and the law.

That last paragraph is definitely on point.

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>The skill and scope of their respective gamesmanship might be
>two sides of a coin but I think the heart of each character
>relative to the other has a very clear distinction.

They still are ultimately both using people. Jimmy's heart may be in a more Robin Hood place, where he fucks with people who he thinks can take it, but he doesn't really consider ramifications as well as he should. Chuck doesn't consider ramifications, but because he's a sanctimonious "I'm within the confines of the law" type, he doesn't really feel he has to, as the law is on his side. Whereas Jimmy, as we saw this week with the military guy, definitely feels hurt by allegations that he's a "bad guy."

But I'm not sure Jimmy *doesn't* hurt people. And I'd imagine as the show progresses, we'll see what Jimmy leaves in his wake. That military guy scene definitely hinted at that last episode.

>In Jimmy's case, he made a move against Chuck that ultimately
>didn't hurt him that bad

Except for almost killing him, yeah. Nah, I agree, although I can also see how fucking with an old guy's reputation is probably the biggest slap in the face you could give him.

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i forgot this premiered this week, but it became obvious a few minutes in, that I forgot so much from last season. I might peep the last episode of S2 again for a refresher

>was somewhat understanding until Ernesto's comment on the last
>ep of season 2.

Jimmy

mainly because i forgot what happened at the end of Season 2

the Mike parts definitely made this episode

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more action (or lack of) and less words

That was my take. It didn't seem like an accident.

Maybe he is hoping Ernesto will gossip about it? Or Ernesto could be used as a witness instead of using the tape as evidence?

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He left it on play and asked him to swap out the batteries

Chuck wants Ernesto to go to Jimmy about it, then will wait for Jimmy to panic and do something dumb to get him in trouble.

Ernesto probably doesn't know what the tape is about since he only heard a couple of seconds. But he heard Jimmy's voice on it, and Chuck flipping out when it "accidentally" started playing. So good chance he's gonna tell Jimmy about it.

My hope is that Ernesto goes to Jimmy but Jimmy smells the trap, finally stops caring for Chuck and we get a season of maneuvering before Chuck finally eats shit.

>finally stops caring for Chuck

as long as Ernesto tells him exactly how it went down. In Jimmy's area of expertise, this is a step above the skater twins scam.

If there is anyone that should be able to sniff out a scam, it's Slippin' Jimmy. But yeah, will probably come down to Ernesto telling him exactly how it went down.

I loved how old girl said "lilies of the valley" when she was leaving Jimmy's office...

You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Fring back! Victor back! Honey Tits back!

Jimmy telling her to be folksy on the phone by mentioning Cracker Barrell was hilarious to me.

Again, Mike doing his thing. Gus being super cautious and one step ahead of everyone like always.

And shit hitting the fan with Jimmy and Chuck.

This episode was a ton of fun for me.

I mean, is it necessary to have the exact same actress play his receptionist years earlier? No. But it is a nice touch.

That last scene was some great acting by Odenkirk.

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I love viewing the world they created with these two shows so much. They do a great job. I've watched all these seasons of BB/BCS several times. Replay value holds up for me, largely because of the attention to detail.

I saw Victor and was like, run, homie!

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And agree with everyone talking about the attention to detail. That's what makes it so enjoyable to me, and rewards repeat viewings. The show can plod along at a snail's pace and it doesn't matter because the writing and the acting is so superb, and the detail-oriented nature of the show makes even the slowest moments (Kim making phone calls, Mike ripping apart a car in silence, etc.) feel riveting.

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I've never been one who's believed that the Jimmy stuff is boring and the Mike stuff is the show's sweet spot, but I think the time has come to move the show on from Jimmy vs. Chuck. While I'm happy that Gilligan and crew decided to put the inevitable confrontation over the tape in the second episode, what I would find really insufferable is if they dragged out the court battle and the eventual settlement until the season finale. Mike slowly figuring things out has made good TV; I doubt a protracted trial/negotiation over the name of Jimmy McGill would be particularly enthralling.

And yes, Mike's investigation was awesome. I seriously marked out as soon as I saw Gus' yellow shirt in the background. And when Victor showed up in the SUV. Glad things are taking shape on that front.

One last thing I'll note is that Chuck really didn't know Jimmy. He thought Jimmy would show up to steal from him in the dark of night to protect his own ass. But Jimmy went Godzilla in broad daylight, knowing that Chuck's tape was useless as evidence, because it was the fact that Chuck's own betrayal that angered him the most.

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but like Chuck, i didn't take emotion into consideration

i kind of agree, i hope Jimmy vs Chuck doesn't drag on too long, but I'm kind of expecting it to.

Jimmy looked obvious as hell watching Gus's guy

but I'm just tired of seeing him on the show. Michael McKean does a brilliant job as Chuck, but I feel like enough is enough. Move on with it.

>I've never been one who's believed that the Jimmy stuff is
>boring and the Mike stuff is the show's sweet spot, but I
>think the time has come to move the show on from Jimmy vs.
>Chuck. While I'm happy that Gilligan and crew decided to put
>the inevitable confrontation over the tape in the second
>episode, what I would find really insufferable is if they
>dragged out the court battle and the eventual settlement until
>the season finale. Mike slowly figuring things out has made
>good TV; I doubt a protracted trial/negotiation over the name
>of Jimmy McGill would be particularly enthralling.
>
>And yes, Mike's investigation was awesome. I seriously marked
>out as soon as I saw Gus' yellow shirt in the background. And
>when Victor showed up in the SUV. Glad things are taking shape
>on that front.
>
>One last thing I'll note is that Chuck really didn't know
>Jimmy. He thought Jimmy would show up to steal from him in the
>dark of night to protect his own ass. But Jimmy went Godzilla
>in broad daylight, knowing that Chuck's tape was useless as
>evidence, because it was the fact that Chuck's own betrayal
>that angered him the most.

I'd forgotten this, but in BB when Saul first hips Walt and Jesse to the Chicken Man, he tells them that he "knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy." Now, I guess it's plausible that they can say that Saul was lying at that moment, but later in the show he seems genuinely surprised that Mike, who he refers to as his "investigator," is in reality an enforcer for a cartel.

So are they going to retcon things? Or does Jimmy/Saul become a criminal attorney through other means, like via Nacho.

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but i do remember Saul was legit surprised when Mike said "the boss won't like it"

This might be the only time he ever interacts with Gus

>I'd forgotten this, but in BB when Saul first hips Walt and
>Jesse to the Chicken Man, he tells them that he "knows a guy
>who knows a guy who knows a guy." Now, I guess it's plausible
>that they can say that Saul was lying at that moment, but
>later in the show he seems genuinely surprised that Mike, who
>he refers to as his "investigator," is in reality an enforcer
>for a cartel.
>
>So are they going to retcon things? Or does Jimmy/Saul become
>a criminal attorney through other means, like via Nacho.

...and by extension, do work for Gus too. But it's certainly possible that he gets his start with Nacho and then eventually the Salamancas.

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Then he says something like, "Helado didn't send you?" Kind of hard to make up who's name he says.

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When Walt and Jesse had on masks and had him out in the dessert.

If so, it will be more interactions where Jimmy has no idea who he's dealing with.

But with all the Breaking Bad callbacks they've done, they can't go back on that "I know a guy who knows a guy....who knows another guy" thing. The show was just too popular and fans would be all over it. I don't see them making it like Jimmy/Saul was lying either. As far as I know, none of their Breaking Bad callbacks have changed the way we view anything about that show.

is all just a goose chase/test of Mike's skill-set, right?

so then Gus let his guy know someone was tailing him then they switched it up to a wild goose chase.

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Jimmy moving his seat and seeming to blatantly stare at the guy, and then Gus approaching him when he was digging through the garbage had me thinking that Gus was on to him. We know how observant Gus is. He knew Jesse was high before his initial meeting with Walt/Jesse before he ever went over to Walt. He damn sure had to notice Jimmy changing seats and staring at his guy.

Gus taking out the trash(I think that's what he did when he went out there) when Jimmy was sitting with Mike in the car confirmed it, IMO.