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"Beasts Of The Southern Wild (Zeitlin, 2012)"
Wed Jun-27-12 08:02 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

It is possible that someone made a Black Movie that is not a Rom Com, Biopic or Historical Pix?

The trailer looks awesome.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/beasts-of-the-southern-wild-will-open-the-2012-american-black-film-festival


I don't know how this slipped by me.


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Subject Author Message Date ID
yup
Jun 03rd 2012
1
New Link for trailer
Jun 04th 2012
2
should begin a countdown
Jun 14th 2012
3
NOPE. Director's White, therefore not a black film.
Jun 14th 2012
4
Off point: Hollywood is killing me.
Jun 14th 2012
5
It's actually starting at the Arclight on the 29th.
Jun 15th 2012
6
      Thanks!
Jun 15th 2012
7
           I don't think the location is up yet
Jun 15th 2012
8
EVERYONE SEE THIS SHIT WHEN IT OPENS NEAR YOU!!!
Jun 19th 2012
9
new avy lol ... & NY/LA?
Jun 26th 2012
10
Powerful and moving. Not too early to talk Oscar nom for lil' mama.
Jun 27th 2012
11
Want to see it so bad, but still not sure what it's about
Jun 29th 2012
13
agreed!!!
Aug 16th 2012
53
Onion/AvClub had a glowing review & interview with director/cast
Jun 28th 2012
12
Loved it
Jun 30th 2012
14
good movie.
Jul 05th 2012
15
right?
Jul 07th 2012
20
same for me @ sold out theater .. LOL
Jul 16th 2012
40
i mentioned this to everyone ive told abt it
Jul 16th 2012
41
same exact shit happened here. damn.
Jul 16th 2012
44
yo, just seen it today
Aug 16th 2012
54
Race Traitors: White Filmmakers Who Make Black Films
Jul 05th 2012
16
score of the year.
Jul 06th 2012
17
Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it but with similar reservations.
Jul 07th 2012
18
      I was in a constant state of cringe and forgive
Jul 07th 2012
19
           i think it was
Jul 07th 2012
21
Questions For Those Who Saw It (spoilers)
Jul 09th 2012
22
....2 days later
Jul 11th 2012
27
RE: Questions For Those Who Saw It (spoilers)
Jul 12th 2012
30
Beasts Of The Southern Wild: A Republican Fantasy? (swipe)
Jul 09th 2012
23
I read this shortly after seeing the film, and I disagree.
Jul 09th 2012
24
I don't think it's a conservative piece either. the problem is
Jul 09th 2012
25
      I think you'll take from the film what you want to take.
Jul 09th 2012
26
lol wtf. bathtub residents wanting to leave, left. those wanting to stay...
Jul 12th 2012
29
      ugh
Jul 12th 2012
35
      not if its set during to most epic example of failed federal
Aug 03rd 2012
51
I went in expecting to roll my eyes for 90 minutes
Jul 12th 2012
28
WHY THEY GOT HER SAUTEEING CAT FOOD JOE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Jul 12th 2012
31
exactly.
Jul 12th 2012
32
*hugs*
Jul 12th 2012
34
deal.
Jul 12th 2012
36
*looks at pic*
Jul 12th 2012
37
man, i teared up at the end of it too.
Jul 16th 2012
43
Oh I'm there this weekend I gotta see this
Jul 12th 2012
33
I think I did myself a disservice by reading so much in advance...
Jul 13th 2012
38
I avoided this post b4 I could see it **SPOILERS**
Jul 13th 2012
39
yes
Aug 16th 2012
56
didn't totally work for me (SPOILERS)
Jul 16th 2012
42
This summarizes every problem I have with the film
Aug 16th 2012
57
That's basically where I was.
Aug 23rd 2012
60
Couldn't agree more.
Nov 11th 2012
61
When's the porn version coming out?
Jul 17th 2012
45
I don't want a porn version of a film starring a 6-year-old.
Jul 17th 2012
46
you should avoid the porn Cosby show then
Jul 17th 2012
47
RE: When's the porn version coming out?
Jul 18th 2012
48
(spoilers) Loved it will watch again great movie great performances
Jul 30th 2012
49
Finally saw this.
Aug 02nd 2012
50
i agree re: political readings
Aug 18th 2012
58
just saw this
Aug 03rd 2012
52
this shit was fantastic. period
Aug 16th 2012
55
Quvenzhane Wallis has an agent
Aug 23rd 2012
59
Looks like she got the nom
Jan 10th 2013
62
I think she is too young for all of this. I doubt good will come of it.
Jan 11th 2013
64
      I genuinely worry that her parents are not prepared
Jan 11th 2013
65
Nominated for best picture
Jan 10th 2013
63
I expected too much...
Jan 11th 2013
66

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1. "yup"
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Sun Jun-03-12 07:53 PM by lfresh

  

          

waiting for it

i was so mad that it was at sundance and not in actnow now earlier this year
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2. "New Link for trailer "
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5d4IanzDG8

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3. "should begin a countdown"
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i'm really looking forward to this
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4. "NOPE. Director's White, therefore not a black film. "
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According to some on these boards.....


>It is possible that someone made a Black Movie that is not a
>Rom Com, Biopic or Historical Pix?
>
>The trailer looks awesome.
>
>http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/beasts-of-the-southern-wild-will-open-the-2012-american-black-film-festival
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>I don't know how this slipped by me.



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5. "Off point: Hollywood is killing me."
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This doesn't look like it's at Arclight. I have no idea how I can live in the supposed mecca of filmmaking but have to drive 30 minutes to see films like this, headhunters, or Deep Blue Sea.

Why is it easier for me to see big screen showings of Terminator, Up in Smoke, & Arsenic and Old Lace than this film.

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This sounds pretty interesting though. Gonna have to figure out where it's playing and check it out.

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6. "It's actually starting at the Arclight on the 29th."
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Fri Jun-15-12 11:10 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

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7. "Thanks!"
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Fri Jun-15-12 11:49 AM by SoulHonky

          

I was about to say... or rather, I did say...

EDIT: Wait, which Arclight? I still can't find it at Arclight Hollywood.

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8. "I don't think the location is up yet"
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I'm going to assume Hollywood, though

Or Sherman Oaks, at worst

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9. "EVERYONE SEE THIS SHIT WHEN IT OPENS NEAR YOU!!!"
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Great fucking story about a daughter and her father. Even though Wink is a fucking dick ultimately he cares for Hushpuppy and damn is this 8 year old charming. She was hilarious during the Q&A and the directors, and producers were cool people too. A nice fairy tale for adults told in the point of view of an 8 year old and it just works. In my top ten of the year so far.

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10. "new avy lol ... & NY/LA?"
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they are releasing the film here first

please go see this


release dates:
http://www.beastsofthesouthernwild.com/screenings/United%20States


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11. "Powerful and moving. Not too early to talk Oscar nom for lil' mama."
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Wed Jun-27-12 08:01 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

A thoughtful and unique meditation on the father-daughter dynamic and of

SPOILER

death as well. Yeah, you can see where it's headed but the thing that makes the movie stand out is that the flavor of the area is in every frame of it.

Great, great performances from Quvenzhané Wallis and Dwight Henry. In a perfect world both of them would be up for the big awards, but I think that Quvenzhane's going to get the most attention since she dominates the movie.

I was afraid that I was going to hate the movie at first, thinking that we were about to see Precieaux, but the "toughen up" take on the father-daughter story kept my interest.

What a beautiful little girl in a sad gem of a movie.

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13. "Want to see it so bad, but still not sure what it's about"
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Is it like Where The Wild Things Are but with a black girl?

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53. "agreed!!!"
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12. "Onion/AvClub had a glowing review & interview with director/cast"
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Cast & Director Interview:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-director-and-stars-of-beasts-of-the-southern-w,81820/

Their review on the movie:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/beasts-of-the-southern-wild,81830/

  

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14. "Loved it"
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1.5 mil to make though?! Wow

Black/latino/asian folks we need to take notes
This is a team of people who pulled together for this
A lot were at my screening


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15. "good movie."
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funny how most of the crowd in the theater i went to just sat there after the credits were running.

can this last til oscar season for hushpuppy or wink to get nominated?

  

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20. "right?"
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>funny how most of the crowd in the theater i went to just sat
>there after the credits were running.

a majority of people just sat there in silence at my viewing as well.

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40. "same for me @ sold out theater .. LOL"
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>funny how most of the crowd in the theater i went to just sat
>there after the credits were running.


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41. "i mentioned this to everyone ive told abt it"
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like NO ONE got up in our theatre
i was still shaking and crying
such a great film

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

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44. "same exact shit happened here. damn. "
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54. "yo, just seen it today"
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and the exact same thing happened. everybody stayed through the credits

  

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16. "Race Traitors: White Filmmakers Who Make Black Films"
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http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/race-traitors-white-filmmakers-who-make-black-films#

interesting piece


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"In a detailed chapter in my book, Slave Cinema, I discuss White filmmakers who make Black films by defining them with the term, Race Traitors. “To begin with, I do not use the phrase “race traitor” in its negative or pejorative sense, but instead I use it as an emblem of a certain kind of selfless artistic heroism that honors an individual white filmmaker’s sacrifice of immediate commercial interests in the effort to shift narrative focus from whites to African-Americans within a film. As a consequence of this shift of narrative focus and sacrifice of commercial interests, the resultant film elicits a penetrating social criticism that extends beyond the circumstances presented and casts doubt upon the values and prejudices of the spectator, both white and black alike, who observe those circumstances.” (pg.159)"

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17. "score of the year."
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as for the rest...I don't know. it was funny, warmly acted and at times poignant, but went in directions I'm not sure how I feel about. the inferences of utopian poverty, announced themes that never went anywhere, and the shifting political analogies all seemed unfocused.

I'll remember the handful of scenes that were among the best I've seen in 2012. can't say I loved it as a whole, however.

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18. "Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it but with similar reservations."
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(some spoilers ahead, btw)

>as for the rest...I don't know. it was funny, warmly acted
>and at times poignant, but went in directions I'm not sure how
>I feel about. the inferences of utopian poverty, announced
>themes that never went anywhere, and the shifting political
>analogies all seemed unfocused.

If you read it solely on a literal level, as a father/daughter relationship and the story of a community's pride and resilience and quintessentially American desire to work together to survive in the land of their choosing, then it works. If you can successfully isolate it from all of the other stuff... it's money. Those are the scenes that worked best for me (the ones you probably mentioned at the end.)

But then there's the beast stuff. And there's the baggage an audience member brings in remembering Katrina. And there's the metaphor for the community as America. And the outsiders trying to help as America. And the father as America. Etc. etc. He's kind of throwing a lot of things at the wall and seeing what sticks. I thought a lot of it did, and there's certainly plenty of stuff to stir up discussion amidst the heartwarming father-daughter story that will swell the Academy's hearts... but you can't really say the guy's an expert playing with metaphor here.

I would say although the utopian poverty stuff is pretty overt, they definitely show by the end that the way of life in that area is not sustainable, surrounded by dead plants and animals. There's an implication that the dad could've lived had he stayed and let them take care of him. Again, that complicates things in terms of theme (should we admire him for spitting out the pills or should we scold him? is dying for a chance to be in his own community noble or foolish?), but I was glad for those complications. Made me feel less unnerved by the "happy poor people" vibe that the movie does put off most of the time that the movie seems to be acknowledging the usefulness of the outside help even if the characters don't.

(I will add there was a Q&A with a producer at my screening, and not just all of the actors, but writer, director, and many of the producers were ALL first timers for a feature film... which, needless to say, is pretty awesome, but also explains the unfocused nature of the flick.)


>I'll remember the handful of scenes that were among the best
>I've seen in 2012. can't say I loved it as a whole, however.

Dwight Henry as the dad is my performance of the year to date. And he's not even an actor! He's a fucking baker who won't do press stuff because he's got a bakery to run! The girl is also truly amazing, the dialogue is strong, the cinematography strong, and the score as you mentioned is really soaring. I recommend it to everyone, and I did really like it, even if, as you said, there are a bevy of thematic and metaphorical questions raised by the "throw it all in" mentality of the writer and director.

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19. "I was in a constant state of cringe and forgive"
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I figured the hospital segment would be a critique on the ineffectiveness of FEMA, to go along with the point about climate change. by the time they leave, it might as well have been an advert for the Tea Party -- a proud rejection of nanny state healthcare, except done by a cancerous man who sustains his daughter on cat food.

the escape itself was funny though, and the following moment between Wink and Hushpuppy was touching. so I tried to forget whatever allegory was just made. as you mention, it could have been a point about the unsustainable lifestyle in the Bathtub, but if that's so, I REALLY have a problem with a bunch of preceding scenes in that habitat.

oh well. the less I try and untangle the stop-start themes, the better. I agree it's very good as a father-daughter / self-determination piece, and well-acted (Wallis' voice-overs are amazing). if only it was allowed to be just that, uncluttered.

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21. "i think it was"
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>oh well. the less I try and untangle the stop-start themes,
>the better. I agree it's very good as a father-daughter /
>self-determination piece, and well-acted (Wallis' voice-overs
>are amazing). if only it was allowed to be just that,
>uncluttered.

i dont think you allowed yourselves
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22. "Questions For Those Who Saw It (spoilers)"
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1. why bother with the giant beasts at all? purely symbolism of the character of a "tough animal" (like she was turning into) or something else?

2. was that *REALLY* her mother (yes, the voice was the same. yes, she cooked up some "magic" gator. but it was never specifically said, and how would she have known her mom was actually there?)

comments:
- I tried explaining this movie afterward to someone. it kind of defied description. i liked it though
- there were a WHOLE lot of "don't think about it too hard" elements (e.g. NONE of those other kids had parents? how exactly did they get back to the bathtub from the shelter? were they REALLY gonna take her to Iowa? would the flooding not happen pretty much EVERY hurricane season - or at least with enough frequency that many of the adults would have lived through it before?)

  

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27. "....2 days later"
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eff y'all then

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30. "RE: Questions For Those Who Saw It (spoilers)"
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>1. why bother with the giant beasts at all? purely symbolism
>of the character of a "tough animal" (like she was turning
>into) or something else?

adds the fantasy element of seeing things thru a 6 yr olds eyes, and yea the symbolism/metaphor that drives the movie

mythical beasts vs the real human beasts and how much the real life characters fall into similar behavior


ie the way the teacher explains the legend of the aurochs
and bosslady says 'one day ppl gonna know abt a girl named hushpuppy, that lived in the bathtub'

or instead of killing the parents she tells them no, she gonna take care of hers



>2. was that *REALLY* her mother (yes, the voice was the same.
>yes, she cooked up some "magic" gator. but it was never
>specifically said, and how would she have known her mom was
>actually there?)

didnt really like the boat, old captain, skankboat scenes
if they met another way then maybe


>comments:
>- I tried explaining this movie afterward to someone. it kind
>of defied description. i liked it though
>- there were a WHOLE lot of "don't think about it too hard"
>elements (e.g. NONE of those other kids had parents? how
>exactly did they get back to the bathtub from the shelter?
>were they REALLY gonna take her to Iowa? would the flooding
>not happen pretty much EVERY hurricane season - or at least
>with enough frequency that many of the adults would have lived
>through it before?)



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23. "Beasts Of The Southern Wild: A Republican Fantasy? (swipe)"
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I haven't seen the movie yet - I hope to later this week - but I'm curious what those of you who've seen it have to say about this guy's criticisms. Ebert briefly engaged him on twitter in disagreement.

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While I normally let reviews stand on their own, I wanted to say a little more about my pan of Beasts of the Southern Wild, a film that's already been widely acclaimed and has inspired heated arguments. My dissent with the movie has nothing to do with its aesthetics or ambition, both of which strike me as admirable, but with what it says as allegory: Beasts appropriates a recent tragedy—namely, Hurricane Katrina—in a way that strikes me as glib.

This isn't to say that all movies with troubling political resonances are bad ones; just last night on TCM I caught part of On the Waterfront, an all-time classic that, inescapably, was also Elia Kazan's self-justification for testifying before HUAC. Still, I can't shake the sense that Beasts of the Southern Wild plays like a Republican fantasy version of what happened during Katrina. Intentionally or not, it implies that stranded Ninth Ward residents not only wanted to stay on their rooftops but somehow—through their own stubbornness in not clearing out—deserved to be there. And what's more, that the best thing to do about it was to leave them alone.

As recently as at least last year, you could hear GOP presidential candidates talking about the prospect of federal hurricane relief as if it incentivized Americans to build on low-lying ground. Beasts seems to argue that it's just as well FEMA dropped the ball. Not only do residents of the Bathtub (the movie's Ninth Ward stand-in) resist government help, but the authorities fail to understand what they're getting into. ("They say we were here for our own good," Hushpuppy, played by Quvenzhané Wallis, says after Bathtub residents are relocated to a hospital—leaving little doubt that she doesn't think they are.) Eventually, Bathtubbers stage an an escape ("We're bustin' out of here!") that the movie plays as a triumph.

The depiction of poverty, too, seems in keeping with a particular stereotype, in which the poor only lack resources because of their own failures of initiative. In the Bathtub, every day is a holiday and no one seems to have much desire to be employed. Parents are depicted as alcohol-guzzling and inattentive-bordering-on-deadbeat. "If anything goes wrong, Walrus is dad," Hushpuppy's father, Wink (Dwight Henry), tells her, entrusting her to a neighbor in a moment the movie plays for a laugh. And that's to say nothing of the film's charged racial imagery (e.g., Wink swigging from his booze bottle and haplessly shooting at storm clouds, or, in a fantastical flashback, lazing in the sun).

I doubt that first-time feature director Benh Zeitlin meant for the movie to play as a magical-realist apologia for Bush's failings. (Spoiler alert: The Bathtub residents eschew help, pull themselves up by their bootstraps and learn, as Hushpuppy explains to one of the eponymous beasts at the end, to take care of their own.) But it's not a film in control of its own metaphor, and it poses troubling questions where it likely intends only uplift.

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24. "I read this shortly after seeing the film, and I disagree."
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Spoilers btw.

>Intentionally or not, it implies that
>stranded Ninth Ward residents not only wanted to stay on their
>rooftops but somehow—through their own stubbornness in not
>clearing out—deserved to be there. And what's more, that the
>best thing to do about it was to leave them alone.

I think the film if anything has a message of NOT leaving others alone. One of the central points of change in Hushpuppy and Wink by the end is they learn that their behavior earlier, in which they stayed on their own and even literally cut themselves off from each other with a line in the room, wasn't the way to live at all.

I don't think the movie implies what's "best" is to leave them alone either. One could argue that Wink might have lived if he stayed away from the Bathtub, and he seemed to know this. The writer and director also emphasize that everything in the bathtub-- plants, animals, eventually people-- are dead. The way of life there isn't sustainable. So while what the characters want complicates things, it certainly doesn't say that what's best for them is to let them die.

Not only do residents of the Bathtub
>(the movie's Ninth Ward stand-in) resist government help, but
>the authorities fail to understand what they're getting into.
>("They say we were here for our own good," Hushpuppy, played
>by Quvenzhané Wallis, says after Bathtub residents are
>relocated to a hospital—leaving little doubt that she doesn't
>think they are.)

SHE'S SEVEN, lol. She doesn't know anything! She talks to a chair and thinks it's her mom! She's a child! We're witnessing these things through the eyes of a child.

Eventually, Bathtubbers stage an an escape
>("We're bustin' out of here!") that the movie plays as a
>triumph.

It did not play like an unequivocal triumph to me. It played like a triumph of spirit and will, sure. But you are ACUTELY aware that by leaving, Wink will absolutely die.

>The depiction of poverty, too, seems in keeping with a
>particular stereotype, in which the poor only lack resources
>because of their own failures of initiative. In the Bathtub,
>every day is a holiday and no one seems to have much desire to
>be employed.

He's reading this in it because he wants to read this in it. The fact is we see them for maybe a day or two before the storm. We don't know what Wink does, and it's not important. The white couple seem to run a store of sorts. The mother figure in the Bathtub that teaches all the children is a positive influence. You can't argue what Keningsburg argues her because we're seeing a very limited portrait, again, through the eyes of a child. How many of you watched your parents work every day, or watched adults go to work every day? How many of you knew, at 7, the intricacies of why your parents were out of work? I just think the author was looking for this read.

Parents are depicted as alcohol-guzzling and
>inattentive-bordering-on-deadbeat. "If anything goes wrong,
>Walrus is dad," Hushpuppy's father, Wink (Dwight Henry), tells
>her, entrusting her to a neighbor in a moment the movie plays
>for a laugh.

Walrus is a troublesome character, since his reactions are often played for laughs. But I don't think Dwight Henry delivers that line for a chuckle-- he's earnest.

> And that's to say nothing of the film's charged
>racial imagery (e.g., Wink swigging from his booze bottle and
>haplessly shooting at storm clouds, or, in a fantastical
>flashback, lazing in the sun).

Lazing in the sun? LMAO, he's in love in the flashback admiring the girl of his dreams. What an enormous stretch.

>I doubt that first-time feature director Benh Zeitlin meant
>for the movie to play as a magical-realist apologia for Bush's
>failings. (Spoiler alert: The Bathtub residents eschew help,
>pull themselves up by their bootstraps and learn, as Hushpuppy
>explains to one of the eponymous beasts at the end, to take
>care of their own.) But it's not a film in control of its own
>metaphor, and it poses troubling questions where it likely
>intends only uplift.

I agree that the metaphors are messy, but this author went way overboard with his reaches.

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25. "I don't think it's a conservative piece either. the problem is"
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there are many scenes that can be read that way, without any refutation otherwise. every theme presented in the movie is seemingly contradicted by another.

disagree about the hospital escape, as mentioned. if you take Wink as a metaphor for the dying lifestyle of the Bathtub, it works -- his refusal of assistance (from "his own" as well) underscores the importance of community.

however, *everybody* from the Bathtub wanted out of there. the shelter was portrayed as a cold, bleak place, run by those who didn't understand them (the callous doctor and scolding teacher). Hushpuppy's hair is pinned back and she's put in a dress, depriving her of her magical individual charm! leaving there was freedom, as to say the cost of institutionalization was not worth the help.

maybe I misread it, but I also thought the alcoholism in the Bathtub was disconcerting. fine that it exists, but the writers seem to step off the ledge by having Wink and Hushpuppy share a shot in reconciliation. father-daughter moment indeed.

and if you believe that Bathtub life was unsustainable -- represented through Wink (death) and Hushpuppy (the stronger, better version) -- the evil industrial powers actually did them a favor by building a levee and melting the ice caps. there goes all that pandering to the nature we saw in the first 20 minutes.

lastly, if you excuse Hushpuppy's voiceovers as throwaway inferences from a child, why include them anyway? we already know the world is sensationalized by Hushpuppy's viewpoint. if her declarative statements ("everything in the universe is connected"...but not really) were just reminders, they were distractingly empty.

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26. "I think you'll take from the film what you want to take."
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I agree, again, that metaphorically it's a mess, but that dude could've made his arguments without the stretches. He could've stuck to the scenes you mentioned. Instead, he strains. Plus, there are scenes that counteract some points he could make as well-- certain scenes work as metaphor individually when ignoring the rest. It's just this buckshot style creation of allusion that will enable viewers to take their own read and Cuban B the rest.

I don't discount Hushpuppy's narration, btw, but it's clearly not meant to be taken as fact. It's all mythologizing, a young girl's wildly heightened reality. Again, he could use better arguments than taking a select one liner from the mythologizing narrator's limited perspective.

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29. "lol wtf. bathtub residents wanting to leave, left. those wanting to stay..."
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and hid from the govt workers

ninth ward residents were waving flags on their rooftops and boiling in the superdome and convention center screaming for assistance


needless to say, looking at a movie of a girl's dealings wit her father as treatise on federal disaster relief is ridiculous



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35. "ugh"
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>needless to say, looking at a movie of a girl's dealings wit
>her father as treatise on federal disaster relief is
>ridiculous

glad you said it anyway
people and their agendas
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51. "not if its set during to most epic example of failed federal "
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disaster relief in history, no it's not, lol

  

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28. "I went in expecting to roll my eyes for 90 minutes"
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at the noble savagery.

I did that for about 10 minutes.

This film escaped its thematic immaturity by being utterly gorgeous and unmistakably human.

The dynamic between Hushpuppy and Wink was devastating at times.

I fucking cried at the end. Maybe I was just tired or some shit, but I've never cried in a movie theater in my life. Well worth the embarrassment, though.

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31. "WHY THEY GOT HER SAUTEEING CAT FOOD JOE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"
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^^^ Me, at the start of the flick


*sniffle sniffle, wipes tears*

^^^ Me, about an hour and 25 minutes later

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32. "exactly."
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-30-
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34. "*hugs*"
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>I fucking cried at the end. Maybe I was just tired or some
>shit, but I've never cried in a movie theater in my life. Well
>worth the embarrassment, though.

i'm about to move to the west coast and marry youse
(just sign the prenup promising only to play onyx through your headphones)
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36. "deal."
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-30-
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37. "*looks at pic*"
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*no comment*

Except to say, er, uh, if thangs don't work out with Mr. Ike...

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43. "man, i teared up at the end of it too. "
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the score had put me over the top.

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33. "Oh I'm there this weekend I gotta see this "
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38. "I think I did myself a disservice by reading so much in advance..."
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Because I sat there the whole time trying to decode the symbolism and ascertain the "meaning" of every little thing, and after it was over I realized that I barely focused on the story itself. I need (and want) to watch it again.

That being said, I liked it.

My personal feeling that the point they're trying to get across is that the "old" way of life (as individuals, as communities, as a country) is dying, and as we move in to the future, we need to be prepared to face the challenges it will bring (the beasts). Some of those challenges: ice caps melting, oil companies in the distance, government overreach/incompetence, and even terrorism. At least those are what I kept taking the beasts to represent. I think when Hushpuppy stares down the beasts at the end, it's showing that she is ready to face the future, and once that happens the old, way of doing things (her father) can die.

I'll be honest: I saw this last night and went to sleep immediately afterwards, so I haven't really thought any of that through. I guess that was just kind of my initial reaction. I think a second viewing will really help flesh it out in my mind.

My only real major nitpick is the massively shaky camera. So fucking shaky! I know it adds some intimacy to go with a handheld, but I couldn't help but be a little distracted by it at times. The look of the cinematography was great aside from that though.

The two lead performances were great as well.

I liked it, and I expect to like it even more the more I think about it.

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39. "I avoided this post b4 I could see it **SPOILERS**"
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That being said, very dope little movie.

Hushpuppy nailed the emotional center of the movie.

I don't think Wink was an asshole...he was just a single man raising a child in a very harsh environment where weakness is not allowed. So, in his own way...he was doing his best to raise his baby.

I now have questions and spoilers

*****SPOILERS START HERE!*******

1st off...I guess its assumed that the cook at Elysian Fields is her mother. Wifey said that in one of the flashbacks, you can see the tattoo on her eye. Also, since Hushpuppy is always yelling at the lighthouse, and the coincidence of her mother frying alligator when they finally do connect...I didn't catch that until later. I also enjoyed the dynamic of a woman being the one to leave the family instead of Wink, the defacto "deadbeat" stereotype was 86'ed for this and I enjoyed it.

I got a little misty when Wink and Hushpuppy had their final moment. It showed the humanity of their relationship...even though you try to suppress your emotions, you can only do so much when it comes down to it. It was additionally poignant because the Mrs and I went to see it on the eve of the 18th anniversary of her father's passing.

********SPOILERS DONE**********

anyway, dope film I'd recommend it.

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56. "yes"
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co-sign

  

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42. "didn't totally work for me (SPOILERS)"
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I got the unshakable feeling that the film was in an uncomfortable valley between reality and fable. Reality was present enough that you said, "These are poor people living in the present day in coastal Louisiana," but fable enough that the film felt like it had no genuine connection to actual human beings. As a result, it seemed to romanticize the extreme poverty of these folks and treat them like superficial symbols of authenticity and spirituality.

I realize the film tries to portray these events through the perspective of a child, which is a compelling choice, but I get the impression that the film is telling us these kids are better off living in extreme poverty in the Bathtub without school or doctors or church or clean clothes. Which in a totally Where the Wild Things Are universe is fine, I guess, but I couldn't help but continually associate these character with actual people in this country who really need a bit more than fireworks, whiskey, and crawdads.

On a more practical level, the storytelling got a bit sloppy as the film wore on. The breaching of the levee, which seems like it should have been a really significant event, didn't really lead to much. And the auroch metaphor never really made sense to me, on either a rational or even intuitive emotional level. The story beat where the little girls just wander out into the ocean to find their moms didn't seem precipitated by anything other than "we've got this other set that we built."

What are we supposed to come away with at the end? Hushpuppy is now strong and independent (at six?)? She's shed the flawed legacy of her father and can enter the real world? She's balanced her masculine and feminine sides? The Bathtub will survive? The Bathtub is doomed? I have no idea.

Looking forward to what these guys do next because they've obviously got a lot of talent. But this one just didn't quite add up.

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60. "That's basically where I was. "
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Good movie, very affecting, but I couldn't get past the fact that, in the end, HushPuppy was on a path to be a crazy old drunk living in The Bathtub (and I never bought into that being a great thing.)

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61. "Couldn't agree more. "
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I loved the world and the characters but....overall you summed up how I felt.

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BReasts Of The Southern Wild


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Maybe it's just me, lol.

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48. "RE: When's the porn version coming out?"
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LOL...I came in to post this as well. I actually keep reading the name as that when I come into the forum.

  

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49. "(spoilers) Loved it will watch again great movie great performances "
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Yeah the lead girl is the real deal
The last scene with her dad was powerful

I thought this joint was really interesting

Cause on one hand I initially interpreted her dad as just wacky and crazy
Which he was

But on another hand his dialouge along with everyone else's
And even the whole situation was just Maybe how she interpreted the world

(I might be slow sonetimes forgive me)

Also was the woman at the club on the water mom?
I'm pretty sure it was but I'm wondering if it was just me



  

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50. "Finally saw this. "
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I thought it was wonderful. For a six year old girl to put a film on her back and carry it the way she did was an amazing feat worthy of academy recognition (though I have been saying for years children should be in a separate category. Streep shouldn't be competing with a child).

Also, I have to say I hate, absolutely hate people doing political readings of this film. I think they film worked hard to transcend the here and now and create a small world outside of the short sighted left and right world view we are always forced to interpret everything in. I advise people not to do it, it only spoils the event (Stop Looking for a message people!).

I've read that the director grew up studying folklore. That makes a lot of sense and explains the dream-like quality of the narrative that defies straight forward narrative structure. In other words it would be a waste of time to think too hard on the specifics of the story. If you focus on that you are missing the point.



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58. "i agree re: political readings"
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i think it's a really weird way to look at the film.

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52. "just saw this"
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yeah, it was pretty
yeah Wink and Hushpuppy were great
But that was one Noble Savage-ass movie, lol

Plus to use Katrina as a backdrop to me means that some of the more troubling implications of the film were purposeful...or the makers of this film are oblivious as all hell.

There tons of films about the disaster just waiting to be made, though, so hopefully this is just the first.

And props for magic realism finally making its way to stories of the black south!

  

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55. "this shit was fantastic. period"
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made me tear up like a lil' mija two different times.

the acting, not only by the leads, was excellent. the magical realism was poignant because of the fact we are experiencing the film through a child. and the indictment of the state (in particular the medical industrial complex)on social level was moving.

sure the noble savage stuff bothered me at times, but the film was so much more complex than that. do i want to get into particulars sure, am I, no.

top3 of the year for me: Moonrise Kingdom, The Grey, Beasts of the Southern Wild... than everything else

  

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59. "Quvenzhane Wallis has an agent"
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Good for her. But some of the comments-damn, folk are harsh.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/icm-partners-signs-beasts-of-the-southern-wild-cutie-quvenzhane-wallis/

EXCLUSIVE: ICM Partners has signed Quvenzhane Wallis, who captivated the Sundance and Cannes Film festivals earlier this year starring as Hushpuppy in the Benh Zeitlin-directed Beasts Of The Southern Wild. The film, which was acquired by Fox Searchlight, won the Caméra d’Or award at Cannes and the Grand Jury Prize at Sundance. Quvenzhané was selected from over 4,000 young ladies to make her film debut in the lead role. She is represented by attorney Jamie Feldman and manager Steve Kavovit.

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62. "Looks like she got the nom "
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Chea

  

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64. "I think she is too young for all of this. I doubt good will come of it."
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65. "I genuinely worry that her parents are not prepared"
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based soley on the fact that they're the fact that they saw fit to name their daughter Quvenzhané.

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63. "Nominated for best picture "
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*dragon punches*

  

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66. "I expected too much..."
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This movie was good. But for some reason I thought I'd be captivated by it...after reading other reviews and seeing the nominations.

I thought it was cool but at times I was like "get to the good part"...and it's like it came close but no cigar.

I did love watching hush puppy and wink together. several scenes between the two of them were great. And when she burned down the house...goodness that child.

She was very good. I can't say great because during some of narration she sounded like she was just reading. And I understand she's young...so I can't fault that but that doesn't mean I'll let it pass and say she's great.

the end was incredibly moving...

  

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