these people weird af.

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tries to claim everything and push racist agendas on any big franchise.

Like they bitched and moaned about John Boyega in Star Wars when Billy Dee Williams already did Star Wars 30 years ago. A Black guy wasn't a problem then, why would he be a problem now?

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>tries to claim everything and push racist agendas on any big
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>Like they bitched and moaned about John Boyega in Star Wars
>when Billy Dee Williams already did Star Wars 30 years ago. A
>Black guy wasn't a problem then, why would he be a problem
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Im sure they lost their minds when a black guy rode a dragon in the last episode

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It's great they do that but do it from the beginning. However I do have a problem with them not explaining why they are in prequels but not in the originals story wise. So i'm just supposed to believe they were MORE open to mixing with minorities in the past but for some reason got racist later on? Story wise it is very ridiculous.

House of Dragons showing Asian, Indian and Black people nonchalantly sharing waters with white people during battles was killing me. Or taking advice about birthing emergencies, cmon! They would've have the minorities on the frontline to get burned by dragons or shot with arrows like they did with all of us in modern wars. And they def wouldn't have any of us near a baby let alone have a health opinion. Make TV and film more woke but don't pander to us in the middle of a show or property where it didn't exist before, especially in prequels. Star Wars putting in Finn makes more sense story wise because it happened later in the storyline when people would be more accepting. Representation matters, making it believable in the worlds you write matters JUST as much.

So you want your fantasy racism based in reality racism.

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he really wrote all that shit about fantasy

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He want that Tarantino fantasy movie with the elves and wizards using racial slurs as they send the Black hobbits to the frontlines.

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Until you can explain other than just wanting to do it then it shouldn't be in the story. Pretty simple.

Which plot holes get a pass and which ones make you overreact ?

Here is an hour of issues, are they ok because it's not "diversity" ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaBWs65wnw4

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But all plot holes are annoying if never rectified. Visual plot holes especially because it’s always in your face, which is my issue when trying to sneak in diversity in shows that has established world building. Obviously from the get go I rather see more POC’s in this show and not always written with stereotypes but when it is already written in the source material then i don’t want it changed unless it make's sense.

For instance it seems HoD’s retcons the laziness of GoT writing in the last season with this where they hint that spiritual connection or almost twin like connection rider and dragon feel for certain Targaryen's https://youtu.be/FDLrLy0HpLA A plot hole that was “famously” annoying in the series

You want more of, Chewbacca gets the medal 6 movies later because he didn't get it in the first one ? If the world building is based on source material with plot holes, you say stick to the flawed foundation for continuity ?

Even the guy in the link you posted admitted that was a hail mary. You want more of Lucas adding a young Vader next to the old Obi when they do the afterglow ? You really want to go down that slippery slope ?

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Argue against more points never made because you dont go to therapy and dont know how to discuss reality vs feelings. Better. Help. Dot. Com.

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whining about 'wokeism' and 'forced diversity' nshit.

who all act holier than thou and woke but all you do is bicker, fight, talk shit and have weird old ashy nudes posted. Yeah. I know all about it.

Fucking losers still losers after all these years.

wit yo fucking weirdo fantasy racist ass

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I’ll wait.

you really hate yourself so much you don’t think your people deserve to be part of some make believe shit?

you date exclusively white don’t you?

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This is a story and world already set so yes continuity is important. Explain it.

Stop avoiding it and explain. This that dumb shit right here when peoples opinions are based in nothing but feelings. Either it explain it or shut the fuck up. The cliche “its fantasy” bullshit is dumb, all tv is essentially fantasy. Sorry to burst your fucking bubble but Friends and Martin are not documentaries. Explain it.

you out here like “he can’t be asian or Black” because it ruins a story set in a fantasy world?

You are the only one in your feeling b. You are implying the story is ruined with brown people being introduced. Its racism at its finest. You are mad because your white world has been darkened up a bit, lol

friends and martin aren’t documentaries? lmao.. so they can do wtf they want, just like fantasy.

shut the fuck up is your rebuttal because YOU can’t explain how a Black hobbit or Brown hero in GoT has no impact on a story set in fantasy.

newsflash, fantasy isn’t a documentary either. Dragons flying and orks orking is fine but brown skin ruins the storyline?

fucking weirdo, get our of your feelings. Not surprised at all because Asians love some white folk but gotdamn.. not like this

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no one has to explain to you why Black and Brown people exist in fantasy.

I know they fucked up your all white fantasy world but that is a personal problem.

I’m not watching the new Hobbit show yet because I’m not really interested but I seriously doubt a Black Hobbit ruins anything because your personal feelings about Black and Brown people..

your condition has been conditioned b

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Fucking loser, take your L and sit down with your feelings ass reasons. Non ass logic to dumb opinions.

Talking about taking L’s while crying about your fantasy world being ruined..

self hate is a helluva drug?

Ancestors shaking their head at your bigotry… “where did we go wrong?”

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Keep up the cliches. Might as well light some incense and prepare your poem for spoken word night too.

Immigration?

Race mixing?

You do know that much of this Hobbit/LOTR fantasy is rooted in European medieval history, right?

And do you also recognize that there were brown people present in Europe during that period in history?

There.

That's the explanation.

Also.. it's a made up world. If they want to have brown people here, they can have that. If they want a Black elf, then that's okay, too. Why not? Explain why not. Elves, Hobbits, Dwarves, and Humans are all individual species, right? Within each species, phenotypical variations occur, right?

There's another explanation.

Thanks for keeping up.

Rings of power is a prequel. So without even watching the show that makes sense for a sequel. Not prequel. Thanks for making my argument FOR me. smh

But back to legs to explain HoD.

Are dead in the sequel. So why should they also be in the sequel?

There were only two people with white hair in sequel, but a whole lot in the prequel.

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Are you that stupid? i shouldnt have even replied to the stupidity you are subjecting everyone to with this.

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Yet nobody can explain why the choice in characters in this already established story/world where its clear this wouldn’t happen in a prequel. All feelings based for you but the math aint mathing. Just say it fulfills your desire for representation despite it not making sense. Either explain it or shut the fuck up.

Lets get the cliche answers based in avoidance of not having an answer where you claim I dont want equal representation despite already saying I do throughout this thread. I want representation when it makes sense, not when its pandering to my feelings. Again, be a fucking grown up and sort out your feelings, stop being weird about it and seek a therapist on how to deal with that shit. Smh fucking armchair activists are always the worst.

The only physical characteristic that matters in this story is the white hair of the Targaryens and they kept that consistent.

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Any more made up things you want to say?

his thinking is extremely flawed.

There are Black and Brown people in the original GoT cast but they can’t be in the prequel?

its like white people who only see Black folk as slaves in America and scoff when they hear about the history of Black Kings and Queens in Africa.

Heinz is weird af.. you can tell he he dates exclusively white

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But you are projecting like most over compensating ass okayplayers who are married to non whites and are the biggest arm chair activists. Literally a stereotype of majority of yall. Smh. Keep trying to avoid the question tho. Any more subjects and cliche insults based in zero facts on both the show and myself you want to try out? Tap out, you look silly.

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The answer is this:

There is nothing in the source material that suggest race, or race relations in those worlds works anything like it does in ours. You're superimposing a non-existent social structure onto fantasy worlds. that's why black and brown people can show up when and wherever.

you think those white people in HotD or RoP are even white? They have no cultural connection to modern day real life white folk, so why would you think the racial dynamics or even the dna would work the same when the science (or magic) doesn't? It's non-nonsensical.
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>It's great they do that but do it from the beginning. However
>I do have a problem with them not explaining why they are in
>prequels but not in the originals story wise. So i'm just
>supposed to believe they were MORE open to mixing with
>minorities in the past but for some reason got racist later
>on? Story wise it is very ridiculous.


That would tie up the loose ends, right?

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It seems insincere to shoehorn nonwhite actors into a series that's historically been white and write scripts that dont acknowledge it. I'd rather you just keep us out of it cause clearly you're just trying to fill your diversity quota

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

It feels like amazon and disney is purposely hyping up how "diverse" and "revolutionary" their visual slop is so they can generate a sense of loyalty from people who really dont give a shit about these IPs and just want to feel "seen"

So they're getting clicks from people who want to hate watch AND people who want to stick to those evil racists. Two birds one stone


I dont think the outrage machine has much juice left. At least I hope not. This is embarrassing on both sides.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

lol

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Diversity yes. Not diversity for the sake of diversity.

The new Mermaid movie looks great, having a black lead is NOT the biggest hurdle for that movie at all. Making an entire movie that is majority CGI swimming look good in live action is their biggest obstacle. It really sucked in Aqua Man. Looks better here but not really going off much footage. The chick playing the lead is fine YTs need to stop freaking out. Hopefully they knock this out of the park, the live action reboots havent had an amazing track record.

for their shitty products.
the writing in MOST of this projects have been routinely terrible

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white people lost their damn mind.

and this is a prime example why.

White people.. and asians who wish they were white like Heinz, dont want any brown people in their imaginary worlds, lol.

In a perfect world they can have dragons flying and magic fairies with wings but a Black or Brown person is going too damn far?

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https://hyperallergic.com/436763/alisha-wormsley-the-last-billboard-pittsburgh-there-are-black-people-in-the-future/

this is a prime example of how racist people can be when they see this text and immediately feel attacked or feel like its controversial

if it said white people they would be like “damn right” but since its Black people its like “damn, they still going to be here in our future utopia? fuuuuuuuck”

which is why Heinz saying WE are in our feelings is ironic. Seeing Black people in fantasy upsets him. Even seeing Asians upsets him and he’s fucking Asian!!! They did a number on him.

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dude keeps trying to move past the most important fact.

ITS FANTASY

That’s it.

He keeps demanding we explain it like its reality

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with half the corner boys now playing cops.

Marlo and Pooh as police is funny to see

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Now changing the ENDING for stupid reasons, E.G. THE WATCHMEN MOVE, I can't stand.

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> THE WATCHMEN MOVE

This is was MOVIE.

The Watchman book is great.

The HBO series is great.

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Worse still? It took all of five seconds to find that out.

Nevermind the absurdity of being upset that a make believe world full of dragons and wizards all manner of outlandishness could have brown skin people, Tolkien describes them as brown.

those white people wouldn’t listen to an Asian doctor who delivers a shit load of
babies in the fantasy world. No way..

No way could a people have Brown skin and nobility, like we are either slaves or don’t exist.

and pale isnt a fucking color

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what a loser.

his problem is he believes Black and Brown folks could never hold positions of power in Game of Thrones because all they would ever be is slaves and peasants.

why wouldn’t a king listen to a doctor who was asian?

There were people of color in power who were burned for being shitty rulers..

but its impossible for a Black man to be part of a culture because we all know everyone stuck to their own in this fantasy world? smh

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pale doesn’t equal white skin, pale isn’t a color.

Using Black and Brown actors in a show about fantasy (HotD since you think the word fantasy is an insult) doesn’t take away from the show at all. The only people with issues are those WITH ISSUES with seeing POC as anything besides slaves and whores.

In your own words “this isn’t a documentary”

the whole “how could this be in a prequel” is some sad shit. You used the largest brush you could find to paint all Black and Brown people as a lesser class because its impossible to fathom some of them holding power or titles.

you fucked up when you said they would have us on the front lines “like in modern times” This is a clear case of using “modern racism” for a tv show set in a world that isn’t real.

and lmao at the Star Wars explanation like Billy D wasn’t part of the franchise. I bet you would’ve had an issue with him being added as well since he wasn’t in the first one.

you can except dragons, orks, magic, etc.. but Black people in a
prequel is just too fucking much?

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From this whole not being able to accept fantasy as fantasy (and not understanding the history of race in general), to that weird ass rant about a facebook page he's clearly mad he didn't get invited to, to the lambasting of okayplayers as if he hasn't been posting here for 20 fucking years...

Fucking yikes.

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wtf is that supposed to imply? lol

I’m Black and my wife is Black.. is marrying non white all it takes to be part of the OKP master race?

what really made me wtf is its okay for Finn to be Black in Star Wars because its later in the series? I mean. I guess Billy D’s character was also a clone and the first of his kind.

Fucking Jaba and all types of weird ass aliens are fine but don’t you dare have Black people in prequels because???? because??? How dare Sam Jack be a jedi. Yoda.. fine, but Sam Jack? No fucking way.. lol

as soon as he said woke he showed his ass.

Might as well use their words against them “maybe that Black actor was the best one for the job? Why is he playing the race card, I thought All Lives Matter???” lmao

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I didnt say fantasy cant be fantasy stop arguing against points i didnt make

In THAT established world of GoT. Explain it. This is still a simple question that none of you can answer and i am dying at dancing around this. Make it make sense. That is all im simply asking. Not to make it make sense to your feelings, just something simple as making it make sense within this show. LMAO

Again. Betterhelp.com

>House of Dragons showing Asian, Indian and Black people nonchalantly
>sharing waters with white people during battles was killing me. Or
>taking advice about birthing emergencies, cmon!

What in this established world has shown this to be unthinkable? Please give quotes, reference scenes, give passages.

Why do you keep ignoring the Lando point that's been made in reference to what you had to say about Star Wars?

You're not "dying" about anything, you're having such a fit that you can't see the problems you ("don't") have with the new diversity of these shows is... you.

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stop reading there, dumbest shit you have said.

and no.. this does not impact the “book” in any way.

Does the story change with a Black character? No
Is the series ruined? No

Nothing is impacted besides YOUR personal feelings.

You have yet to give one good reason besides using modern racism. It’s like saying a Black King couldn’t exist in Africa 2 thousand years ago because of the slave trade.

and again, its Fantasy.. lol

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only underscores that it's racism

"I'm all for it, but it needs to be done in such and such a way" IS the racism.

If a particular character or story is created and doesn't work creatively, fine.

But it's literally just "Black and brown people shouldn't be there".

Every last one of us overlooks all manner of inconsistencies and imperfections, things that don't make 100% sense, etc, in the vast majority of movies and television we watch.

There's always an undercurrent of "just go with it" in nearly anything we watch. And certain things stand out, and our brains just can't rock with it- and I doubt this is consistent from film to film, show to show.

I.E, you can rock with something absurd in one movie, that would probably not be an issue for you in another.

So when the lone issue is the skin color of the actors, and in this case, the caveat that it doesn't make sense because they're not as prominent in future episodes, just underscores that the issue really is just the skin color.

Moreover, there's no reason that the shift in racial dynamics can't/won't be explained within the context of the story down the road.

But even if it doesn't, the fact that people are supposedly fine with diversity as long as it's executed in a surgically, contextually precise manner only reinforces the racism at play.

that it pisses you off that black people exist in a world that doesnt exist.

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