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c71
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"Depending on the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ for favor and help"


  

          

let's share accounts of how good this is

let's go!!

  

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you gave CASE your log in?
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*snickers*
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RE: Depending on the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ for favor and help
Jul 24th 2021
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was just thinking about you
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Can you share examples where you can demonstrate that you've been helped
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The Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ allowed me to get hired and
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      How did you determine thatHeavenly Father and Jesus were the mechanism?
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           the praying and the timing of breakthroughs and the REALLY BAD stuff
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                People get hired all the time. People keep jobs, even when its really ba...
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                     It is how things work together
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                          How did you determine that a god is the cause/reason for that?
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                               He always is
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                                    I'll ask again. What evidence do you have for this conclusion?
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                                         You know what happened
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                                              You don't seem to be able to answer any direct questions about any of th...
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Here's the best example I could think of
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He's right though. Corpses don't need vaccines.
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damn that was tragic
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if he'd have taken the vaccine
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best example.....hmmmmm.............?
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      Why haven't you provided a good example?
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      let the man speak for himself please
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           what did I say that was speaking for him?
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      but.. what about weddings? lol
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           He posted what he called the "best example" do you agree with that?
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                it's a very direct example. your counter was what about weddings
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                     but is it the best example?
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                          yes. weddings is the best example
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                          you were standing with him for a second but...now....yep
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                               lol whoa easy there, slugger
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                                    I provided an example in reply #6 so play along and answer if you agree
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                                         it seems CT had that covered
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                                              You backed off from the man and I agree that was wise of you
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                                                   who's "the man"
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                                                        Mafamaticks
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                                                             we covered this. now it's just getting boring
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                                                                  It is because it is over. You backed off from the question you don't wan...
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                                                                       lol
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                          Oh he absotely gave the best example of the efficacy of prayer.
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LATE HAVE I LOVED YOU, BEAUTY SO ANCIENT AND SO NEW
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IMPOSSIBLE TO DESCRIBE THE WAY IN WHICH GOD WOUNDS THE SOUL
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god has helped me so much.
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Where's Ted Gee Seal these days? He's good for conversations like this.
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CT you gotta realize tho...this is a touchy subject for a lot of ppl.
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      You don't think I realize that?
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           just seemed like dude was making alil feel good post celebrating his
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                That's not what his exchange with mynority looks like.
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                     fair enough.
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this place is so miserable, maybe they should shut it back down
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Why?
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Post reset - Following replies avoid the post - jack agenda of some
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Intwresting that you deflected yo ranting about post jacking and agendas
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.
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rdhull
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1. "you gave CASE your log in?"
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>let's share accounts of how good this is
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>let's go!!

  

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2. "*snickers*"
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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

  

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3. "RE: Depending on the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ for favor and help"
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Agreed. Favor isn’t fair



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c71
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5. "was just thinking about you"
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hey lady!!!

  

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Cold Truth
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4. "Can you share examples where you can demonstrate that you've been helped"
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By a god?

  

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c71
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6. "The Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ allowed me to get hired and"
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keep several jobs when...........it looked REALLLLY bad.


and...........if you know how bad jobs get........

...you'll know it was The Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ favor doing the waymaking...


that's an obvious one...cause jobs get REALLLLY REALLLY BAD!!!

  

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7. "How did you determine thatHeavenly Father and Jesus were the mechanism?"
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Sat Jul-24-21 09:14 AM by Cold Truth

  

          

How did you determine that god was the reason you got hired to begin with?

And even if the jobs got really bad, how did you determine that god was the reason you kept those jobs?

Apart from the fact that you believe in a god, what evidence lead you to that conclusion?


>keep several jobs when...........it looked REALLLLY bad.
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>and...........if you know how bad jobs get........
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>...you'll know it was The Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ
>favor doing the waymaking...
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>that's an obvious one...cause jobs get REALLLLY REALLLY
>BAD!!!

  

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c71
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8. "the praying and the timing of breakthroughs and the REALLY BAD stuff"
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work together.


We've all heard about "foxhole" Christians etc.

obviously humans can't escape that reflex (stuff REALLY BAD cry to Jesus for HELP!!!!!!!!)

so.........


what separates the wise from those not are those who don't discount how that whole interaction (which happens several times) occurs.

  

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10. "People get hired all the time. People keep jobs, even when its really ba..."
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All the time.

These are not remotely exceptional occurrences.

Even in situations that are exceptional, the individual pieces of them are still relatively mundane.

Which is why I ask what evidence you have to conclude that the moving hand of a god where the reasons.

As it stands, all you're saying is that you wamted a job, and you got it, and that you also kept said job/jobs in really bad circumstances.

It's not surprise that the timing of the prayer and breakthroughs line up. In fact, that's how it would work regardless of what you prayed to.

If you're applying/interviewing for a job, the time you would be praying for that job would about the time you appplied or were interviewed.

If you get fired or laid off and know you need a job, you would then pray that you would get that new job about that time.

If you're havi g difficulty with the job/jobs you have, you would be praying for those situations during those difficult times.

The timing of your prayer will generally line up with the thing you're praying for.

Some jobs have a very long hiring process, and yes, some job issues take a long time to find a resolution, but these are still mundane occurrences.

So again I ask, what is the evidence that the hand of god was the mechanism for these occurrences?

  

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c71
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12. "It is how things work together"
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like you will see how your situation with the car will work together.


No one can escape seeing how things will work together

Especially over time.

  

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13. "How did you determine that a god is the cause/reason for that?"
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Sat Jul-24-21 10:43 AM by Cold Truth

  

          

>like you will see how your situation with the car will work
>together.

I just prayed to my phone for a favorable outcome in that situation:

-That my car is fully covered and paid off
-That I am not at fault in any of it

If I get the outcomes I want, does that mean my phonr made it happen?

I assume you won't see it that way.

If i get the outcomes I want, is your god the reason?

>No one can escape seeing how things will work together

What does this have to do with a god?

>Especially over time.

Evolution agrees with you.

  

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15. "He always is"
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yep

  

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16. "I'll ask again. What evidence do you have for this conclusion?"
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Sat Jul-24-21 11:12 AM by Cold Truth

  

          

Merely asserting "he always is" doesn't answer that question.

Take my car for example.

We have a set of observable, verifiable facts that will determine outcome.

We have traffic laws in place that determine how this will play out.

I also have full coverage and GAP.

My car is less than a month old, which according to my claims rep means that I may even get a check in return.

Of course, it's possible that I got duped by the dealer and I wound up paying a higher price than the car was worth. In that case, my coverage still means that entirety of that car comes off the books.

We have money in savings, which means we'll be able to afford a down on another car.

I have decent credit and income, at least for this purpose, and ive had plenty of pre-approved offers coming in the mail for months already, both from dealerships and my own credit card companies. I can also got a preapproval from my credit union.

There are myriad observable facts of reality that determine how things will play out.

What evidence do you have to conclude that any of this is determined not just by a god, but your particular god, which is but one of thousands of god concepts?

  

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18. "You know what happened"
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yep

  

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20. "You don't seem to be able to answer any direct questions about any of th..."
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With any specificity.

How curious.

  

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9. "Here's the best example I could think of"
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https://imgur.com/a/rOPDzdI#mdGlaQP

He was a Hillsong College grad so you know he had the direct line

  

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11. "He's right though. Corpses don't need vaccines."
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14. "damn that was tragic"
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17. "if he'd have taken the vaccine"
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he'd have maybe had a breakthrough that was a mild or bad cold.

proving the vaccine didn't work

and then he could have prayed, and a few days later he'd feel better

proving prayer worked

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19. "best example.....hmmmmm.............?"
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kinda strange

Hillsong direct line...hmmmm...


stacking the deck with Hillsong and THE best example


So.....

when you go by a church and see people having weddings, etc. you think the best that can come out of all that church/religious activity is people dying painful deaths like the direct line Hillsong guy?

  

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21. "Why haven't you provided a good example? "
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And no, saying I got a job and Jesus is why isn't a good example.

Please provide a good example of Jesus helpingg, and provide a good reationale- preferably citing actual evidence- for your conclusion that Jesus did it.

This is your topic, a discussion you started.

It's a little odd that you haven't lead the charge with good examples.

  

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23. "let the man speak for himself please"
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thank you


show how you can let others talk please

  

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36. "what did I say that was speaking for him?"
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Survey says:

Nothing.

Im not speaking for him.

I asked you a specific questions abdout you.

And to the "show how you let others talk please" bit, that's patently absurd.

This is a message board, not a cinference call where people are talking over each other.

Why is it that you cannot answer very simple questions regarding the topic you created?

  

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22. "but.. what about weddings? lol"
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you posted about the power of prayer

he provided an example and you're like but.. weddings

LOL

  

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24. "He posted what he called the "best example" do you agree with that?"
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?

  

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25. "it's a very direct example. your counter was what about weddings"
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26. "but is it the best example?"
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what do you say?

  

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27. "yes. weddings is the best example"
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28. "you were standing with him for a second but...now....yep"
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not with him anymore


I wouldn't want to stand with that on record as claiming a painful death is the best example of the power of prayer either.


You did good backing off

  

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29. "lol whoa easy there, slugger"
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fine i'll play along for a minute

he provided the best example in this post.

since you challenged it and you're so pressed on the word 'best' it's on you to provide a better example

unless we're sticking with 'what about weddings?'




>not with him anymore
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>I wouldn't want to stand with that on record as claiming a
>painful death is the best example of the power of prayer
>either.
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>You did good backing off

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30. "I provided an example in reply #6 so play along and answer if you agree"
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with what he said



>fine i'll play along for a minute
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>he provided the best example in this post.
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>since you challenged it and you're so pressed on the word
>'best' it's on you to provide a better example

  

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31. "it seems CT had that covered"
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you did good backing off

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32. "You backed off from the man and I agree that was wise of you"
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No more need to play along anymore. That's it. you backed off.

  

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33. "who's "the man""
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34. "Mafamaticks"
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best esample man I've been asking if you agree with his statement

  

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35. "we covered this. now it's just getting boring"
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37. "It is because it is over. You backed off from the question you don't wan..."
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to answer if you agree with the best example.

it IS over.

You dancing around not wanting to answer. You backed off.

  

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38. "lol"
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just lol

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39. "Oh he absotely gave the best example of the efficacy of prayer."
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Sat Jul-24-21 01:59 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

You're far too deeply indoctrinated to see that. .

Because those prayers were either "dear god, please kill this blowhard", in which case, it was answered in the affirmative, or the prayers for healing and recovery were denied.

Therein lies a significant problem, because it's essentially a multiple choice test where you're always right.

Cletus Christian gets sick and asks god for healing.

If Cleatus is healed, hallelujah, praise Jesus! He's been healed by his mighty hand!

If Cletus isn't healed?

The prayer was answered?, but the answer was no.

And with that comes a flood of posthoc rationalizations.

God works in mysterious ways.
God had to call his angel home.
God had a higher purpose.
This was the result of the fallen world in whcih we live.
It wasn't gods will.
He wasn't right with god.
He must have had sin in his life.

And on and on and on and on and on.

This is also why you've avoided a direct, specific response to my direct, specific question.

Because once we push aside all the fluffy cliches, coffee mug sentimentality and canned platitudes, we do not have examples that show clear connective tissue between the the request and outcome, and a god as the actual cause of the outcome.

And often enough, just as you did, the thing for whcoh god is surmised as the explanation is something relatively mundane and has an equality mundane explanation.

The example given simply wasn't the positive outcome most Christians like to cherry pick to prop up their myth, but that's what made a great example.

For all your arrogance in here, you're demonstrating that you lack either the capacity or willingness to excercise even minimal critical thinking in the subject.

  

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40. "LATE HAVE I LOVED YOU, BEAUTY SO ANCIENT AND SO NEW"
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Every account is good. Only one account is so good that it demands to be read.

https://www.ling.upenn.edu/courses/hum100/augustinconf.pdf

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"Walleye, a lot of things are going to go wrong in your life that technically aren't your fault. Always remember that this doesn't make you any less of an idiot"

--Walleye's Dad

  

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53. "IMPOSSIBLE TO DESCRIBE THE WAY IN WHICH GOD WOUNDS THE SOUL"
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Teresa of Avila's "Life". Not her absolute best work (that's "interior castle") but an account in line with the question prompt and one that's always worth reading.

https://ccel.org/ccel/teresa/life/life.viii.i.html

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41. "god has helped me so much."
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I've been employed my full adult life. only been without a job once.

oh wait.....nevermind. that wasn't god. sorry.

has anybody ever prayed to rid the earth of racism or sexism? not sure it's working.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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42. "Where's Ted Gee Seal these days? He's good for conversations like this. "
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We'd certainly disagree on most things in the subject, but he'd also hold up his end with sincere, thoughtful dialogue.

Not at all like what we got here.

  

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43. "CT you gotta realize tho...this is a touchy subject for a lot of ppl."
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you may not be a believer and thats fine, but there are many many ppl who are and thats fine too. faith is an intangible thing and your lawyer style of rapidfire questioning doesnt lend well to that fact. although i grew up going to church i have my share of questions and my own skepticisms, but i remain respectful towards ppl who are all in with both feet. felt like u were goin kinda hard at dude.


>Not at all like what we got here.
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44. "You don't think I realize that?"
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A few things, just to be clear.

1. I used to be a Christian myself, and people came at me hard as fuck on the boards. To a degree, that scrutiny outside my bubble helped me find my way out.

2. This isn't my first rodeo with that poster on this subject. They wonce told me i was never a true christian, which is flat out disrespectful.

3. With due respect, my question was very simple. I'd Gary call my question "rapid fire" or lawyer like.

I simply asked what evidence he had to conclude that a god existed and responsible. That's it.

And that's kid glove light.

Trust....If I wanted to go hard, it would look very different.

If they want to proselytize, fine. More power to them. But they're not at all victims if someone presents a challenge.

They can also choose to engage, or not. And if you read this thread objectively, they were willing to engage in a smug, snarky back and forth- but were unwilling to have a sincere dialogue on the subject when they are being asked to provide evidence for their claims.

Further, if you're being objective, and actually read the entire post, you'd see I took two very different tacts at dfferent points in the post.

Early, I was simply asking an epistemological question, which is perfectly fair game when someone chooses to broach the subject in a public forum.

I didn't start breaking shit down until he got in his arrogant ass atritude with Mynority, talking about he was smart to back off.

That's when I took a different tact, but even then, it was a direct response to his own smug ass retort about the example being the best.

So I obliged. And I you think that was lawyerly, I barely scratched the surface.

They brought it up.
I asked a question.

They got VERY arrogant and started trash talking somene they felt couldn't hang on the subject.

I posed valid issues with the efficacy of prayer- entirely in line with his question, and fair game.

With due reapect, you're objectively and observably off base here trying to criticize me here. It's a little white knight.

  

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45. "just seemed like dude was making alil feel good post celebrating his"
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love for the Lord lol. jawnt took a hard left but it goes like that around here sometimes

  

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46. "That's not what his exchange with mynority looks like."
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And im sorry, this isn't church.

They don't get a bully pulpit, and others don't have to be quiet while they talk.

And again- I took twondifferent tacts at two different points, and there's a very clear and obvious reason for that change.

If you're going to take me to task and says I went a lil hard, you should at least address my rebuttal on the matter.

Because they were doing anything but professing love for their lord when that happened.

  

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47. " fair enough."
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>Because they were doing anything but professing love for their
>lord when that happened.

  

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48. "this place is so miserable, maybe they should shut it back down"
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________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

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49. "Why? "
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50. "Post reset - Following replies avoid the post - jack agenda of some"
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This post is about the accounts of those who have found the goodness of depending on the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ for help and favor




Obviously some want to challenge Christianity


Obviously, they have done their post jack


Reset time


This post will now be reset to people accounts of their experience depending on the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ for favor and help


so.....


If anybody want to take this post away from the topic stated:

account of depending on the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ for halp and favor


...it should be clear that those who post-jack are doing it for their agenda because how many have an agenda to post-jack Islam posts or the like.

If you have to post-jack a Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ post AFTER a significant crew already did a post-jack, then...that's your agenda making you be you.

  

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51. "Intwresting that you deflected yo ranting about post jacking and agendas"
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If you REALLY want to rail against post jacking and "agendas", you should gave a long, hard look in the mirror:

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13261744&mesg_id=13261744&listing_type=search#13261745

I didn't bitch and moan when people like you and case and a few others brought forth all manner of offense and ignorance.

I addressed it, directly. And your tact was grossly disrespectful from jump.my question to you in here was anything but disrespectful.

I didn't respond by avoidong you and going to some other spot in the room so that I could talk about you within earshot.

And you don't get to play a victim when your took an arrogant, trash talking approach to Mynority's surface commentary.

  

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52. "."
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