I say it's a crock of shit because I can believe in a person's right to self-identify without wanting to date/fuck. but I'm curious to see what others think
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Sun Sep-04-16 01:50 PM
12. "I've said this to a number of people..." In response to Reply # 0
"If you really believe transwomen/transmen are REAL women/men like you're telling me, how many have you dated?"
The answer is always zero and a look of befuddlement.
When I ask if they're even open to the idea of dating a transperson most people stumble and stutter; one guy flat out said "I'm not gay so no". We then had a lengthy argument over why what he said completely contradicts the whole "transwomen are real women" stance.
These people making these arguments truly don't believe what they preach.
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Sun Sep-04-16 01:55 PM
14. "It's based in the whole "transwoman/man is a real woman/man" argument" In response to Reply # 13
and if you, the person arguing for that stance, truly believe it then you would be open to dating one because that's no different than a biological woman or man.
I posed this question to SoWhat once. IIRC, the answer he gave was that he hadn't met one that he was attracted to, but would date a transman if attracted. I'd have to find the thread to be 100% accurate on his response, but I'm pretty sure that was it.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79618 posts
Tue Sep-06-16 02:47 PM
27. "I wouldn't be interested in a woman who didn't want kids" In response to Reply # 26
and I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't interested in men who want kids.
nothing wrong with that at all.
now if we found out after the fact we couldn't have kids thats a whole different thing.
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PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Tue Sep-06-16 09:12 PM
36. "which means that you don't truly believe they're "real women"" In response to Reply # 21
And that's ok.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
16. "LOL! I love it SO much when it goes this far..." In response to Reply # 0
because now I don't even have to debate people anymore. It's become obvious that they're trying to make reality of their own delusions. I saw it coming to this years ago.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79618 posts
Tue Sep-06-16 08:36 AM
19. "post like these are the reason i rarely come here anymore" In response to Reply # 0
^^^ type of post one of these fake ass new progressive negros will make
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
37. "i mentioned prisons in an older thread, no response. Never a response." In response to Reply # 20 Tue Sep-06-16 10:46 PM by Jon
Like, that shit seems like the most obvious angle if you're a man and you know you have lost all hope of avoiding prison. Just claim that your name is Janice now and you're officially a woman. At least you'll be surrounded by pussy instead of dodging dicks.
45. "Do u thnk the exclusion from ur dating pool means u aren't 4 equality?" In response to Reply # 20
If so, I can see why you say you agree. If not, your obvious disagreement sounds pretty common.
>but i, like most of the world am transphobic and would not >date a transwoman...and i don't support all policy surrounding >transpeople... > >i'm for equality in theory but don't fully accept it in >practice more often than I would like to admit > >i'm ok with it in regards to public restrooms...not so much >with prisons...and pretty much open to everything else for the >most part
70. "When you say that you are transphobic....." In response to Reply # 20 Fri Sep-09-16 03:41 AM by denny
What do you mean by that? I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you aren't scared of transgender people. So are you saying that you don't like them? That you couldn't be friends with someone who was trans?
I guess I'm asking because i'm wondering if you are classifying yourself as transphobic simply because you wouldn't eff one?
43. "Nah and I'm attracted to her obviously. " In response to Reply # 33
Which would be no since she trine look like a man. But what if she cleans up nicely. LOL Shit We may have all messed with a chick that cross dresses on the low as a dude.
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49. "its not about fucking every1. its about whether its a deal breaker." In response to Reply # 28
if its a deal breaker, it means that you recognize a difference between a woman who has everything you like in a woman that you'd absolutely date and a trans woman with most of those same characteristics that you wouldn't date because they are trans
50. "And it's OK for that be a deal breaker" In response to Reply # 49
There's a lot of reasons someone might not want to have sex with me:
I'm Black I'm too old/young I'm fat I drive an 04 car I'm a cis gendered male I'm wearing a red shirt I'm ugly (to some people)
And I could go on. But I'm not going to look down on somebody for that opinion. No one owes me their body/attention.
There is no such thing as an invalid reason to not want to have a romantic/sexual relationship with someone.
Now if someone. Tries to commit violence against me for one of those or tries to deny me civil rights based on one of those categories. THAT is a problem.
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35. "I've dated mostly bi-women" In response to Reply # 0
My current girlfriend is straight.
I have some Trans friends and associates who think it's kind of prejudice to not find transmen/women attractive or a sexual option if you're attracted to cisgendered men/women.
I can't really agree with that. No one is really obligated to find anyone else attractive or have sex with that person.
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auragin_boi Member since Aug 01st 2003 20939 posts
Wed Sep-07-16 09:23 AM
53. "I think my feelings mirror MiracleRic's and he's being the most" In response to Reply # 0
transparent in here imo.
No one likes to be fooled and full disclosure would be expected so an informed decision could be made by all involved parties. And I get the wanting to birth children angle and it's legit.
Ideally, transgender women identify as women so they don't see themselves as transformed. They see it as correcting a misappropriation.
But let's not act like most of ya'll wouldn't be trying to smang Amiyah Scott sans full disclosure.
55. "If Amiyah Scott still has a Penis she is still a man though. " In response to Reply # 53
All that phot shopping aint gonna mean jack when those panties drop. LOL
And if she had the full operation and gave me full disclosure I would pass with the quickness. Nah player to many actual women in the world to be messing around with a lab project.
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59. "It's beyond ridiculous that this has to even be said..." In response to Reply # 53
>And I get the wanting to birth children angle and >it's legit.
I mean... human beings are seriously having to explain that procreation is a legit dating concern. Ludicrous. It's like explaining desire for food and water.
62. "honestly can't think of the last time i entered a dating situation" In response to Reply # 59
already thinking about kids with the person.
i guess it's a legit dating concern, but... i dunno. that's way later in the deal. and in those cases, am i really ruling people out because they can't physically GIVE BIRTH?
if i fall in love with a woman and she's "barren"... am i really chucking the deuces?
63. "Enjoy that rabbit hole bruh." In response to Reply # 62
We're here because we, as humans, procreate. It's a natural desire. As stated before, this why finding out one is "barren" is most often a source of pain/frustration. Most mature adults wouldn't just bounce on their spouse because they couldn't have kids tho.
Let's not play this game of procreation not being a biological desire tho. Not today fam.
57. "i know my limit" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Sep-07-16 04:12 PM by double negative
ive known a few trans folks through the years and because of our friendships and associations I've learned a bit.
its an interesting subject because the intention (from a person who may be trans) varies
like
for example, some individuals want to visually appear as a woman and will be content with "passing". names are dead and they are in a traditional lane under the heteronormative gaze
and
maybe on the other side of the spectrum you have individuals who make no attempt to satisfy the gender binary and exist in a different area of representation. gender is played with and new paradigms are created which in turn are new forms of attractiveness to a receptive audience.
for me I know that in that area there is a lot that I do not understand and I'm ok with not understanding (pronouns can become confusing as this a personal choice), nor do I feel a need to limit them in what they do. It is what it is. I know that my children or my children's children will have a different view. I will have to die off for a shift to occur.
at the same time, on the topic of dating...well, that is where I become uncomfortable.
I think....even though I know in my brain that these people are women the lizard part of my brain just plainly does not find them attractive.
maybe its a hang up about knowing of a past history and being inflexible about loving someone who has a radically different past from the current (i.e., who this person is different from their childhood photos)
maybe its a hang up about not being able to talk about their past in a comfortable manner (i.e., she is represented as woman but then her childhood pictures are of her playing baseball as a boy, that is if childhood photos still exist, which is a bit of a strange position to be in, dating someone who's past is only as far as very recent history...which could mean that maybe all of their past weighs heavily on this very big issue of dysmorphia)
maybe its an inability to view the current person while having an inability of disconnecting who they are from who they were (i.e., you are a woman now but you WERE visually male and I cannot look at the person of today without seeing the hints of the person of yesterday and that is uncomfortable)
maybe its not wanting to share a relationship with the big elephant in the room being the transition and how (i would imagine) all aspects of life are affected by it
in our current world i think it takes a special kind of person who sees life in a radically different way to go down that path without holding on to mainstream "traditional" thought.
edit: I've actually dated a woman or two (that is born as a woman) who considered themselves gender queer in dress. that is, they choose to actively reject traditional visual signifiers of femininty while still being very physically/socially feminine.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79618 posts
Fri Sep-09-16 05:57 AM
71. "gender queer in dress? " In response to Reply # 57
did they actually say this or are you giving a progressive definition of dressing in jeans and a t shirt?
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
61. "eh, this is a bit of a reach." In response to Reply # 0
as for me, i acknowledge and accept that it is entirely within the realm of possibility i may find a trans woman attractive/desirable, and i leave it at that. haven't had to cross that bridge.
69. "This is the definitive moment where everyone can find out." In response to Reply # 0
It's such a real honest question with clear outcomes on all sides as far as figuring out where people stand.
If you meet someone and the bond is there then fuck what the world thinks. Y'all in love and bring on all the harsh outcomes. Very few people in this world get to experience true love so if two people find it then enjoy it.
I say all of that to say I don't know what I'd do. My gut response is fuck no but I'd be lying if I said that because once again if the bond is there on that level then it would be hard to turn down.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79618 posts
Mon Jul-12-21 06:18 PM
77. "how? why? when? what! " In response to Reply # 76
who?
what made you pull up this post?
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79618 posts
Tue Jul-13-21 11:41 AM
79. "always wonder if people search specific topics" In response to Reply # 78
or just stumble on these post while they were trying to find another one.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
80. "that's some bullshit" In response to Reply # 0 Tue Jul-13-21 12:56 PM by Damali
respect means
don't unfairly judge or perpetuate stereotypes don't discriminate when hiring don't misgender someone don't treat people like they're less than don't vote against the interests of the most vulnerable folks do actively advocate for equity & inclusion when its within your power to do so do speak up when you see someone being harmed etc etc
it does not mean you have to date or fukk someone in that group
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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
82. "lol @ me having the exact same response 5 years ago" In response to Reply # 80
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
I look askance at non-black people that won't date or don't find black folks attractive. I would question their views on race.
but...
I would consider myself an ally (ugh... how corny) but, and I have dated Bi-women ( I'm suspect of that now, for reasons relating to how women who are used to dating women, relate to men ) and although I have had my issues with them, I would consider dating another one.
but when it comes to trans.... I don't think I would want to. I respect their struggle but I'm good. I just don't find them attractive.
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