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13064480, You dont respect LGBT equality if you wont date one
Posted by atruhead, Sun Sep-04-16 10:43 AM
https://twitter.com/darfucius/status/772428079310528512
https://twitter.com/darfucius/status/772439049692975104

I say it's a crock of shit because I can believe in a person's right to self-identify without wanting to date/fuck. but I'm curious to see what others think
13064482, You dont respect ppl of another race equally if you wont date one
Posted by deejboram, Sun Sep-04-16 10:47 AM
>https://twitter.com/darfucius/status/772428079310528512
>https://twitter.com/darfucius/status/772439049692975104
>
>I say it's a crock of shit because I can believe in a person's
>right to self-identify without wanting to date/fuck. but I'm
>curious to see what others think
13064483, also a crock of shit, but Happy Sunday nonetheless
Posted by atruhead, Sun Sep-04-16 10:49 AM
13064484, the short version:
Posted by SooperEgo, Sun Sep-04-16 10:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5abrr1LIHwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjTbis8b4LM

13064485, Aight cool.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Sep-04-16 10:54 AM
13064489, Fonz is starting up that ramp at this point
Posted by Jon, Sun Sep-04-16 10:58 AM
13064491, *gives thumbs up*
Posted by Dstl1, Sun Sep-04-16 11:10 AM
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13064496, haha
Posted by Jon, Sun Sep-04-16 11:44 AM
13437458, lol
Posted by spades, Fri Jul-16-21 01:36 PM
13064498, yeah that's some bullshit
Posted by Damali, Sun Sep-04-16 11:58 AM
i'm LGBT and yeah..no.
d
13064500, Plenty of Fish has them for whoever wants them.
Posted by JFrost1117, Sun Sep-04-16 12:00 PM
13064508, *insert Firebrand quote here*
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Sun Sep-04-16 12:37 PM
Man someone help me out. I forgot what the dude said, but it was similar to this. Just as dumb and confusing.


13064511, I wont date a woman who wouldnt date a bisexual guy. she's a bigot
Posted by atruhead, Sun Sep-04-16 01:02 PM
13064533, That's the one! Lol
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Sun Sep-04-16 03:11 PM
13064521, I've said this to a number of people...
Posted by PoppaGeorge, Sun Sep-04-16 01:50 PM
"If you really believe transwomen/transmen are REAL women/men like you're telling me, how many have you dated?"

The answer is always zero and a look of befuddlement.

When I ask if they're even open to the idea of dating a transperson most people stumble and stutter; one guy flat out said "I'm not gay so no". We then had a lengthy argument over why what he said completely contradicts the whole "transwomen are real women" stance.

These people making these arguments truly don't believe what they preach.
13064537, It's all based in self-delusion, man.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-04-16 04:24 PM
They've got open-mindedness confused with having
no regard for reality.
13065343, yep
Posted by Jon, Tue Sep-06-16 10:40 PM
13065290, I would just reply that I'm only attracted to cis-women.
Posted by Lardlad95, Tue Sep-06-16 07:33 PM

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
13065344, aka women
Posted by Jon, Tue Sep-06-16 10:40 PM
13065345, yep. its actually the only logical followup to accepting they're a real (newgender)
Posted by Jon, Tue Sep-06-16 10:41 PM
13064522, It's an incredibly stupid conclusion with no logical foundation whatsoever
Posted by Cold Truth, Sun Sep-04-16 01:50 PM
Just another dumbass comment from a a fake "enlightened" moron who embraces extreme liberalism at the expense of reason.
13064524, It's based in the whole "transwoman/man is a real woman/man" argument
Posted by PoppaGeorge, Sun Sep-04-16 01:55 PM
and if you, the person arguing for that stance, truly believe it then you would be open to dating one because that's no different than a biological woman or man.

I posed this question to SoWhat once. IIRC, the answer he gave was that he hadn't met one that he was attracted to, but would date a transman if attracted. I'd have to find the thread to be 100% accurate on his response, but I'm pretty sure that was it.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.
13064819, Or maybe I want to date someone I can eventually have children with
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Tue Sep-06-16 08:45 AM
Not adopt, kidnap, etc, but have my own children with.

13065105, So...
Posted by Premiere, Tue Sep-06-16 02:40 PM
Would you find an involuntarily infertile woman or woman who has no interest in having children undatable?
13065115, I wouldn't be interested in a woman who didn't want kids
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Sep-06-16 02:47 PM
and I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't interested in men who want kids.

nothing wrong with that at all.

now if we found out after the fact we couldn't have kids thats a whole different thing.

13065322, which means that you don't truly believe they're "real women"
Posted by PoppaGeorge, Tue Sep-06-16 09:12 PM
And that's ok.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.
13064535, LOL! I love it SO much when it goes this far...
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Sun Sep-04-16 04:10 PM
because now I don't even have to debate people anymore.
It's become obvious that they're trying to make reality
of their own delusions. I saw it coming to this years ago.


13065301, agreed lol
Posted by Jon, Tue Sep-06-16 08:00 PM
13064545, So glad I'm not part of that Black-Weirdo-Subculture,
Posted by isaaaa, Sun Sep-04-16 05:06 PM
All I have to do is log-off or not go to AfroPunk, and Im free & clear.



Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg


Just trying to share the world - www.JySbr.net
13064815, post like these are the reason i rarely come here anymore
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Sep-06-16 08:36 AM
^^^ type of post one of these fake ass new progressive negros will make
13064816, i'd agree to a certain extent
Posted by MiracleRic, Tue Sep-06-16 08:41 AM
it's like the difference between tolerance and whatever the new standard is

i'd date a bisexual woman...i'd date a gay woman if she was so inclined to do so...

but i, like most of the world am transphobic and would not date a transwoman...and i don't support all policy surrounding transpeople...

i'm for equality in theory but don't fully accept it in practice more often than I would like to admit

i'm ok with it in regards to public restrooms...not so much with prisons...and pretty much open to everything else for the most part

so i can understand the reasoning but even if i weren't transphobic...i'd likely have similar objections
13064911, I forget about the whole prison angle I can't even imagine what would...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Sep-06-16 11:25 AM
happen if one of these wanna-be dude studs got put in a men's prison...
13065341, i mentioned prisons in an older thread, no response. Never a response.
Posted by Jon, Tue Sep-06-16 10:36 PM
Like, that shit seems like the most obvious angle if you're a man and you know you have lost all hope of avoiding prison. Just claim that your name is Janice now and you're officially a woman. At least you'll be surrounded by pussy instead of dodging dicks.

You can still be yourself, just call it "butch".
13065372, Do u thnk the exclusion from ur dating pool means u aren't 4 equality?
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Sep-07-16 01:35 AM
If so, I can see why you say you agree.
If not, your obvious disagreement sounds pretty common.




>but i, like most of the world am transphobic and would not
>date a transwoman...and i don't support all policy surrounding
>transpeople...
>
>i'm for equality in theory but don't fully accept it in
>practice more often than I would like to admit
>
>i'm ok with it in regards to public restrooms...not so much
>with prisons...and pretty much open to everything else for the
>most part


13065379, what it means is that you see a dif between them and women
Posted by Jon, Wed Sep-07-16 06:15 AM
13065832, Obviously, but that doesn't answer the question. n/m
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Wed Sep-07-16 04:56 PM
13066458, it depends on whether equality means having to
Posted by Jon, Thu Sep-08-16 07:56 PM
recognize them as simply the sex they want/claim to be

13066543, When you say that you are transphobic.....
Posted by denny, Fri Sep-09-16 03:40 AM
What do you mean by that? I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you aren't scared of transgender people. So are you saying that you don't like them? That you couldn't be friends with someone who was trans?

I guess I'm asking because i'm wondering if you are classifying yourself as transphobic simply because you wouldn't eff one?
13064897, What kind of Bizzaro World Logic is this?
Posted by Case_One, Tue Sep-06-16 11:14 AM
So, if I don't date someone I don't respect them? Who the heck comes up with this nonsense.
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13064933, Wait, that's not what she said though. By default, the logic don't
Posted by FLUIDJ, Tue Sep-06-16 11:52 AM
work for L&G....and it's a borderline acceptable stance for a non-Bi person to not want to date a Bi person...


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
13065279, she said you dont respect them as real (wo)men if you wont date them
Posted by atruhead, Tue Sep-06-16 06:50 PM
13065096, If you can whip out a dills to pea then you are a man
Posted by Crisco, Tue Sep-06-16 02:34 PM
Whether you like dressing up as a woman or not.
SO being a heterosexual man, I aint tryna date a man that makes believe they are a woman.

If you have a vagina, You are in my dating pool. LOL

13065300, ^^^ POST OVER ^^^
Posted by Case_One, Tue Sep-06-16 07:56 PM

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13065303, ^not just the minimal requirement, the only requirement.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Sep-06-16 08:09 PM
>If you have a vagina, You are in my dating pool. LOL


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13065361, Nah and I'm attracted to her obviously.
Posted by Crisco, Tue Sep-06-16 11:37 PM
Which would be no since she trine look like a man. But what if she cleans up nicely. LOL Shit We may have all messed with a chick that cross dresses on the low as a dude.
13065308, so a woman who looks exactly like a man but hasnt had an operation?
Posted by Government Name, Tue Sep-06-16 08:25 PM

>If you have a vagina, You are in my dating pool. LOL

13065362, Nah she would have to look like a woman.
Posted by Crisco, Tue Sep-06-16 11:38 PM
I'm heterosexual I aint checking for manly women.
13065342, where do former dills that have been turned into frills stand?
Posted by Jon, Tue Sep-06-16 10:39 PM
13065359, A dills that becomes a vagina is just an inside out dills. Not acceptable
Posted by Crisco, Tue Sep-06-16 11:36 PM
Come on this is black and white people. IF you re born with a dick you are a man.
13065380, i completely agree its just an inside out dills. lol
Posted by Jon, Wed Sep-07-16 06:16 AM
i just wasn't sure what you meant. we're eye to eye on that
13065474, *DEAD*
Posted by Paps_Smear, Wed Sep-07-16 09:40 AM
13065432, its just that simple
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Wed Sep-07-16 08:55 AM
13065940, lol @ "pea". Don't even wanna share the visual that gave me. n/m
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Thu Sep-08-16 01:36 AM
13437130, RE: If you can whip out a dills to pea then you are a man
Posted by IsaIsaIsa, Mon Jul-12-21 02:07 PM
www.Tupreme.com

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C
13065118, I want equality for everyone but I don't want to fcuk everyone.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Tue Sep-06-16 02:49 PM
It's not that hard.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13065385, its not about fucking every1. its about whether its a deal breaker.
Posted by Jon, Wed Sep-07-16 06:26 AM
if its a deal breaker, it means that you recognize a difference between a woman who has everything you like in a woman that you'd absolutely date and a trans woman with most of those same characteristics that you wouldn't date because they are trans
13065391, And it's OK for that be a deal breaker
Posted by Adwhizz, Wed Sep-07-16 07:05 AM
There's a lot of reasons someone might not want to have sex with me:

I'm Black
I'm too old/young
I'm fat
I drive an 04 car
I'm a cis gendered male
I'm wearing a red shirt
I'm ugly (to some people)

And I could go on. But I'm not going to look down on somebody for that opinion. No one owes me their body/attention.


There is no such thing as an invalid reason to not want to have a romantic/sexual relationship with someone.

Now if someone. Tries to commit violence against me for one of those or tries to deny me civil rights based on one of those categories. THAT is a problem.
13065320, I've dated mostly bi-women
Posted by Adwhizz, Tue Sep-06-16 09:09 PM
My current girlfriend is straight.

I have some Trans friends and associates who think it's kind of prejudice to not find transmen/women attractive or a sexual option if you're attracted to cisgendered men/women.

I can't really agree with that. No one is really obligated to find anyone else attractive or have sex with that person.

13065384, Women have different chromosomes, skeletons, and organs
Posted by Atillah Moor, Wed Sep-07-16 06:26 AM
I'm not aware of any surgery that can give a man those things or vice versa
13065764, I been saying this for years. When they dig up a corps
Posted by Case_One, Wed Sep-07-16 03:40 PM
the pelvis will never lie
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13065949, Yup 100 years from now Caitlyn will still be a man
Posted by Atillah Moor, Thu Sep-08-16 05:59 AM
13066637, Folks hate facts
Posted by Case_One, Fri Sep-09-16 10:45 AM

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13066661, a 100 years from now our concept of gender will be radically different
Posted by double negative, Fri Sep-09-16 11:26 AM
but i hear you, yadda yadda, dig up some bones and bobs your uncle...er, aunt.
13065425, naw
Posted by DavidHasselhoff, Wed Sep-07-16 08:50 AM
13065466, I think my feelings mirror MiracleRic's and he's being the most
Posted by auragin_boi, Wed Sep-07-16 09:23 AM
transparent in here imo.

No one likes to be fooled and full disclosure would be expected so an informed decision could be made by all involved parties. And I get the wanting to birth children angle and it's legit.

Ideally, transgender women identify as women so they don't see themselves as transformed. They see it as correcting a misappropriation.

But let's not act like most of ya'll wouldn't be trying to smang Amiyah Scott sans full disclosure.

http://az801229.vo.msecnd.net/wetpaint/2015/09/amiyah-scott-nene-leakes-750x522-1442423060.jpg

The birthed woman is on the right (Nene Leaks) and Amiyah replaced her on RHOA.

http://www.funkydineva.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/amiyah-scott.jpg

Ocho Cinco chillin'

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZL1T1MliVEk/Uuu47QeDTgI/AAAAAAAAGrU/lzV_AGX-PEw/s1600/e75f3d727b4911e3adfa12b0a1e5f761_8.jpeg

I wonder if dude knows (or cares) she use to be a he.

https://a4-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/121/dffc307184cb43b4811505b43822ae60/full.jpg
https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/screen-shot-2015-08-17-at-11-24-38-pm.png?w=549&h=551

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/40/43/a9/4043a92d4519f13ac8e7a02b692e8396.jpg
13065739, If Amiyah Scott still has a Penis she is still a man though.
Posted by Crisco, Wed Sep-07-16 03:20 PM
All that phot shopping aint gonna mean jack when those panties drop. LOL

And if she had the full operation and gave me full disclosure I would pass with the quickness. Nah player to many actual women in the world to be messing around with a lab project.
13065938, It's beyond ridiculous that this has to even be said...
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Thu Sep-08-16 01:07 AM
>And I get the wanting to birth children angle and
>it's legit.


I mean... human beings are seriously having to
explain that procreation is a legit dating concern.
Ludicrous.
It's like explaining desire for food and water.


13065943, honestly can't think of the last time i entered a dating situation
Posted by Aeon, Thu Sep-08-16 01:57 AM
already thinking about kids with the person.

i guess it's a legit dating concern, but... i dunno. that's way later in the deal. and in those cases, am i really ruling people out because they can't physically GIVE BIRTH?

if i fall in love with a woman and she's "barren"... am i really chucking the deuces?

unlikely.
13065944, Enjoy that rabbit hole bruh.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Thu Sep-08-16 02:06 AM
We're here because we, as humans, procreate.
It's a natural desire.
As stated before, this why finding out one is
"barren" is most often a source of pain/frustration.
Most mature adults wouldn't just bounce on their
spouse because they couldn't have kids tho.

Let's not play this game of procreation not being
a biological desire tho. Not today fam.
13066459, the problem with full disclosure is
Posted by Jon, Thu Sep-08-16 08:00 PM
this idea that a trans woman is simply just a woman.
13065801, i know my limit
Posted by double negative, Wed Sep-07-16 04:08 PM
ive known a few trans folks through the years and because of our friendships and associations I've learned a bit.

its an interesting subject because the intention (from a person who may be trans) varies

like

for example, some individuals want to visually appear as a woman and will be content with "passing". names are dead and they are in a traditional lane under the heteronormative gaze

and

maybe on the other side of the spectrum you have individuals who make no attempt to satisfy the gender binary and exist in a different area of representation. gender is played with and new paradigms are created which in turn are new forms of attractiveness to a receptive audience.



for me I know that in that area there is a lot that I do not understand and I'm ok with not understanding (pronouns can become confusing as this a personal choice), nor do I feel a need to limit them in what they do. It is what it is.
I know that my children or my children's children will have a different view. I will have to die off for a shift to occur.

at the same time, on the topic of dating...well, that is where I become uncomfortable.

I think....even though I know in my brain that these people are women the lizard part of my brain just plainly does not find them attractive.

maybe its a hang up about knowing of a past history and being inflexible about loving someone who has a radically different past from the current (i.e., who this person is different from their childhood photos)

maybe its a hang up about not being able to talk about their past in a comfortable manner (i.e., she is represented as woman but then her childhood pictures are of her playing baseball as a boy, that is if childhood photos still exist, which is a bit of a strange position to be in, dating someone who's past is only as far as very recent history...which could mean that maybe all of their past weighs heavily on this very big issue of dysmorphia)

maybe its an inability to view the current person while having an inability of disconnecting who they are from who they were (i.e., you are a woman now but you WERE visually male and I cannot look at the person of today without seeing the hints of the person of yesterday and that is uncomfortable)

maybe its not wanting to share a relationship with the big elephant in the room being the transition and how (i would imagine) all aspects of life are affected by it


in our current world i think it takes a special kind of person who sees life in a radically different way to go down that path without holding on to mainstream "traditional" thought.


edit: I've actually dated a woman or two (that is born as a woman) who considered themselves gender queer in dress. that is, they choose to actively reject traditional visual signifiers of femininty while still being very physically/socially feminine.

I knew then that I know nothing of people.
13066546, gender queer in dress?
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Sep-09-16 05:57 AM
did they actually say this or are you giving a progressive definition of dressing in jeans and a t shirt?
13066629, Self identified
Posted by double negative, Fri Sep-09-16 10:32 AM
I just realized Jana Shortal is more or less how they dressed

https://twitter.com/janashortal/status/707339780812632065/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/746898156487589888/58Agc46Z_400x400.jpg


i guess its what happens when a tomboy grows up
13065942, eh, this is a bit of a reach.
Posted by Aeon, Thu Sep-08-16 01:53 AM
as for me, i acknowledge and accept that it is entirely within the realm of possibility i may find a trans woman attractive/desirable, and i leave it at that. haven't had to cross that bridge.

these discussions are stupid by the way.
13066359, A+ Post would read again
Posted by ShinobiShaw, Thu Sep-08-16 03:02 PM
13066429, "see the way my account is set up right..."
Posted by TRENDone, Thu Sep-08-16 06:20 PM
13066505, This is the definitive moment where everyone can find out.
Posted by Kira, Thu Sep-08-16 10:05 PM
It's such a real honest question with clear outcomes on all sides as far as figuring out where people stand.

If you meet someone and the bond is there then fuck what the world thinks. Y'all in love and bring on all the harsh outcomes. Very few people in this world get to experience true love so if two people find it then enjoy it.

I say all of that to say I don't know what I'd do. My gut response is fuck no but I'd be lying if I said that because once again if the bond is there on that level then it would be hard to turn down.

13437132, I don’t think most transpeople are in the business of hiding
Posted by IsaIsaIsa, Mon Jul-12-21 02:10 PM
their “trans-ness” with people they’re dating.


www.Tupreme.com

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C
13437169, how? why? when? what!
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Jul-12-21 06:18 PM
who?

what made you pull up this post?
13437208, Lol so random. i thought this post was new
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Jul-13-21 11:18 AM
13437210, always wonder if people search specific topics
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Jul-13-21 11:41 AM
or just stumble on these post while they were trying to find another one.

13437218, both...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-13-21 12:58 PM
>or just stumble on these post while they were trying to find
>another one.
>
>
13437217, that's some bullshit
Posted by Damali, Tue Jul-13-21 12:54 PM
respect means

don't unfairly judge or perpetuate stereotypes
don't discriminate when hiring
don't misgender someone
don't treat people like they're less than
don't vote against the interests of the most vulnerable folks
do actively advocate for equity & inclusion when its within your power to do so
do speak up when you see someone being harmed
etc etc

it does not mean you have to date or fukk someone in that group

d


"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
13437220, lol @ me having the exact same response 5 years ago
Posted by Damali, Tue Jul-13-21 01:15 PM

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly
13437459, Iono
Posted by spades, Fri Jul-16-21 01:39 PM
I look askance at non-black people that won't date or don't find black folks attractive. I would question their views on race.

but...

I would consider myself an ally (ugh... how corny) but, and I have dated Bi-women ( I'm suspect of that now, for reasons relating to how women who are used to dating women, relate to men ) and although I have had my issues with them, I would consider dating another one.

but when it comes to trans.... I don't think I would want to. I respect their struggle but I'm good. I just don't find them attractive.

like I said, iono.