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"The Official 2014 NBA Prospect Thread 4 Thruthiness and Justivity"


  

          

Two weeks until the draft. You know the drill.

I'll list the prospects, you list your thoughts, as detailed or as basic ("he'll be good"/"he'll be sorry") as you want. As meticulously bias-free as possible or as blindly agenda-driven as you want.

Get on record before these guys play a single NBA game as to how you think they'll pan out. Stake claims, "buy stock," etc.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Andrew Wiggins
Jun 12th 2014
1
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
27
Who I want
Jun 13th 2014
59
top 15 player by year 3.
Jun 13th 2014
67
Scares me for the Bucks
Jun 13th 2014
79
good, leave him for us
Jun 13th 2014
108
      Its Wiggins,Embiid or bust
Jun 13th 2014
116
he's got the goods...but
Jun 13th 2014
91
Top tier 2 guard. All-Star. Possible All-Defense team guy.
Jun 13th 2014
101
Star
Jun 13th 2014
128
High floor because of his athletiscm and defensive ability
Jun 13th 2014
147
Yes Please.
Jun 13th 2014
162
RE: Andrew Wiggins
Jun 17th 2014
194
poor man's Rudy Gay
Jun 17th 2014
199
interesting mix of attributes
Jun 18th 2014
210
I bet Bucks go Bucks & grab Exum.
Jun 18th 2014
212
star
Jun 26th 2014
248
Joel Embiid
Jun 12th 2014
2
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
28
best center in the league by year 4.
Jun 13th 2014
68
Scares me for the Bucks
Jun 13th 2014
80
not convinced he will be more than a servicable NBA center
Jun 13th 2014
92
If he can stay on the court, perennial All-Star material.
Jun 13th 2014
102
Bust
Jun 13th 2014
129
It's crazy to me that there are people that think this cat won't be a su...
Jun 13th 2014
139
      Call me "Crazy Eddie" then bro. I don't see it.
Jun 13th 2014
140
           You trippin Crazy Ed
Jun 13th 2014
141
To me, he looks better than Greg did as a freshman
Jun 13th 2014
148
I'm a be upping bro.
Jun 13th 2014
149
way better, more fluid, better athlete, has touch & still learning
Jun 13th 2014
161
      Better than the Brow?
Jun 14th 2014
166
           Yeah that's just silly
Jun 14th 2014
168
I'm hearing concerns about his health..
Jun 13th 2014
158
Another thing,since this train is rolling. Okafor >>>>>>>>>> Embiid
Jun 14th 2014
189
No argument from me.
Jun 14th 2014
191
Michael Olowokandi Jr.
Jun 17th 2014
200
olajuwon. ehhhh.
Jun 18th 2014
217
bust
Jun 26th 2014
249
Jabari Parker
Jun 12th 2014
3
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
29
Scares me for the Bucks
Jun 13th 2014
81
his game and his body are nba ready...
Jun 13th 2014
93
Offensive stud. All-Star.
Jun 13th 2014
103
i think he's second for me now behind wiggins, talked myself into it
Jun 13th 2014
110
A mix between sane early Antoine before he fell in love with 3's &...
Jun 13th 2014
137
High floor here as well
Jun 13th 2014
150
more Walker than Pierce
Jun 17th 2014
201
RE: Jabari Parker
Jun 26th 2014
246
++starter. couple AS games
Jun 26th 2014
250
Noah Vonleh
Jun 12th 2014
4
I'm a big Vonleh fan
Jun 12th 2014
26
I agree. The Magic should take him at 4 or grab Exum
Jun 12th 2014
56
      Since Elfrid Payton will almost certainly be there at 12...
Jun 13th 2014
66
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
30
he will be an all-star
Jun 12th 2014
57
Scares me for the Bucks
Jun 13th 2014
82
I like this kid....a lot...
Jun 13th 2014
96
I think because Embiid is more "traditional center" polished.
Jun 13th 2014
104
Project, but unquestionably All-Star potential. Really high motor.
Jun 13th 2014
105
any chance this guy falls to 7?
Jun 13th 2014
124
None.
Jun 13th 2014
126
Not better than Julius
Jun 13th 2014
130
DRAFT EM DANNY
Jun 13th 2014
144
Has the talent to be a 6 yr plus all star
Jun 13th 2014
151
love the potential. could be top 2-3 in the class
Jun 26th 2014
251
Dante Exum
Jun 12th 2014
5
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
31
Scares me for the Bucks
Jun 13th 2014
83
to me...probably the 2nd best prospect in the draft...
Jun 13th 2014
97
Haven't seen a lot of him, but his body/skill combo is unique.
Jun 13th 2014
106
Taller Tony Parker with better defense
Jun 13th 2014
152
like what I've seen, everyone needs to stop pretending his a PG tho
Jun 13th 2014
163
poor man's Kobe
Jun 17th 2014
202
i'm in. Dwade style dude
Jun 25th 2014
233
Reply #123.
Jun 25th 2014
242
dunno, havent seen him play.
Jun 26th 2014
252
Bismack Biyombo ass nigga
Jun 26th 2014
268
Julius Randle
Jun 12th 2014
6
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
32
Not sold.
Jun 13th 2014
58
Foot issue scares me
Jun 13th 2014
64
better than josh smith.
Jun 13th 2014
70
...he's absolutely nothing like josh smith
Jun 13th 2014
112
Scares me for the Bucks
Jun 13th 2014
84
like him...but have some concerns...
Jun 13th 2014
98
Incredibly high basement. Hard worker, skilled player.
Jun 13th 2014
107
but the best case scenario is a stronger Carlos Boozer
Jun 13th 2014
111
      Since Booz was a 20-10 guy for a stretch there...
Jun 13th 2014
114
           Eh, I meant a stronger Chicago era Booz
Jun 13th 2014
115
                I trust his offense a little more than you do.
Jun 13th 2014
120
Bigger, stronger, more athletic LaPhonso Ellis.
Jun 13th 2014
127
I seem to remember Phonse having a better
Jun 13th 2014
157
      He's got it. Just didn't have a chance to show it.
Jun 14th 2014
187
           agreed. Cal had him in the box to help UK
Jun 25th 2014
240
                Defenders will sit on that left hand. He needs to fix that.
Jun 25th 2014
241
I like him....
Jun 13th 2014
154
well-off man's Paul Milsap
Jun 17th 2014
206
if he really slips to ten, we better pick him and ima party
Jun 18th 2014
211
Ugh then I'd really have to watch the Sixers & root them on
Jun 18th 2014
213
      you do anyway, make the most of it.
Jun 18th 2014
215
           True, but it bumps them up in the queue.
Jun 18th 2014
221
                we'll be bad but better and entertaining next year
Jun 18th 2014
227
                     Lol....I just don't like Philadelphia or their fans.
Jun 18th 2014
229
productive 10 year career. Ho Grant level PF
Jun 26th 2014
253
Marcus Smart
Jun 12th 2014
7
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
33
big fan. i love his game.
Jun 13th 2014
72
Scares me for the Bucks
Jun 13th 2014
85
The Diet Coke version of Dwyane Wade.
Jun 13th 2014
109
RE: The Diet Coke version of Dwyane Wade.
Jun 13th 2014
123
      Which ones weren't stupid comparisons though?
Jun 13th 2014
125
           dion did, though
Jun 13th 2014
155
           Eh, I need more.
Jun 14th 2014
165
           Rodney Stuckey. there was a time when that didn't seem bizarre.
Jun 26th 2014
243
low-budget John Wall
Jun 17th 2014
207
+starter. future perennial All Defense honors
Jun 26th 2014
254
Aaron Gordon
Jun 12th 2014
8
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
34
If we keep 10, I pray he falls to us
Jun 13th 2014
63
we give that up in the Love trade, sorry buddy
Jun 13th 2014
164
bust.
Jun 13th 2014
69
Scares me for the Bucks
Jun 13th 2014
86
Better rebounding Amir Johnson
Jun 13th 2014
94
Tweener risk, raw offensively, but defensively alone worth a high pick.
Jun 13th 2014
113
Don't see the hype.
Jun 13th 2014
153
You might get Shawn Marion. You'll probably get Terrance Jones.
Jun 14th 2014
172
RE: Aaron Gordon
Jun 17th 2014
197
light-skinned Ariza
Jun 17th 2014
205
He can't shoot or create his own shot at all.
Jun 18th 2014
226
      and neither could Trevor when he was drafted...
Jun 18th 2014
230
           right, Kobe literally taught Ariza how to shoot
Jun 25th 2014
236
loved him as a prep. still love him now
Jun 25th 2014
239
John Salley ceiling, likely non-contributor
Jun 26th 2014
255
Doug McDermott
Jun 12th 2014
9
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
35
he's not worth a top 10 pick but he'll have a solid career.
Jun 13th 2014
73
^^this
Jun 25th 2014
234
Who I bet the Bucks pick
Jun 13th 2014
88
Long career. Respectable pro. Huge offensive skill set.
Jun 13th 2014
118
Adam Morrison 2.0
Jun 17th 2014
204
I'm getting more keen on this guy...
Jun 18th 2014
220
aw hell naw, I already know Mitch is itching to draft that dude...
Jun 18th 2014
223
rich man's Dennis Scott with +rebounding at the 3
Jun 26th 2014
256
Nik Stauskas
Jun 12th 2014
10
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
36
Good JJ Reddick
Jun 13th 2014
60
Bucks probably want him
Jun 13th 2014
89
Love this kid. So skilled. Should start for years.
Jun 13th 2014
121
all interested parties can inbox me for stock prices
Jun 13th 2014
131
Good player. Compare him to other white dudes? You're racist.
Jun 13th 2014
136
Compare him to other white dudes? You're racist. <---THIS
Jun 13th 2014
143
I'll be that, then, no way in hell do I want a white two-guard at #10
Jun 13th 2014
160
poor man's Reddick
Jun 17th 2014
203
best pure 2 guard in the draft (wiggins looks like 3 to me)
Jun 26th 2014
257
James Young
Jun 12th 2014
11
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
37
i liked what i saw at UK. boom bust kind of player.
Jun 13th 2014
74
You say "James Young". I say "James Harden". Best scoring wing...
Jun 13th 2014
132
You can't say James Harden and then say this:
Jun 14th 2014
180
      I thought it was obvious I'm evaluating Young as of today....
Jun 18th 2014
219
           Young is nothing like Harden. More like a Demar Derozan type.
Jun 18th 2014
225
                Sure champ. He's a "good not great athlete" according to you.
Jun 18th 2014
228
248...I get stock options on this BillyO
Jun 14th 2014
167
I remember fam, Basa tried to say he's not a shooter.
Jun 14th 2014
186
      I never understood that..that was his rep from the time he was 16
Jun 17th 2014
196
Really came on at season's end. Versatile, aggressive on offense.
Jun 14th 2014
171
I need convincing that he's better than Gerald Henderson
Jun 14th 2014
184
could be sean elliott...more likely hes kerry kittles tho
Jun 26th 2014
258
Elfrid Payton
Jun 12th 2014
12
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
38
Love this kid. Rajon Rondo Jr.
Jun 12th 2014
54
      ^^^^Worst Subject Line ever
Jun 13th 2014
142
           I said Junior.
Jun 13th 2014
145
                I'm saying he shouldn't even be associated with The R.
Jun 13th 2014
146
                     He will bring the following to the table:
Jun 14th 2014
169
Dario Saric
Jun 12th 2014
13
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
39
Rodney Hood
Jun 12th 2014
14
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
40
long, respectable nba career.
Jun 13th 2014
75
A shorter Rashard Lewis.
Jun 13th 2014
122
Good fit for the Magic with their 12th pick
Jun 17th 2014
192
      If they take Exum at 4, I agree.
Jun 17th 2014
193
average nba starter at the 3. solid career
Jun 26th 2014
259
PJ Hairston
Jun 12th 2014
15
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
41
i'll take all pj stock.
Jun 13th 2014
76
Just want him to end up in a good situation
Jun 13th 2014
156
Should have a decade long career. Strong, aggressive 2 guard.
Jun 14th 2014
173
nothing memorable.
Jun 26th 2014
260
Gary Harris
Jun 12th 2014
16
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
42
Bust
Jun 13th 2014
133
Average at best.
Jun 14th 2014
170
Zach Lavine
Jun 12th 2014
17
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
43
i can see it...but he's a loooooong way off.
Jun 13th 2014
78
Don't buy the Westbrook stuff at all
Jun 13th 2014
95
LaVine seems to really shy away from contact.
Jun 14th 2014
174
      Shut up, that guy is me
Jun 14th 2014
188
Bust
Jun 13th 2014
134
The only shared Russy traits: athleticism and low % shot selection.
Jun 14th 2014
175
RE: Zach Lavine
Jun 17th 2014
198
not good
Jun 26th 2014
261
Jusuf Nurkic
Jun 12th 2014
18
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
44
Kyle Anderson
Jun 12th 2014
19
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
45
buying low
Jun 12th 2014
55
solid role player.
Jun 13th 2014
77
Hey Boris Diaw has had a long career
Jun 13th 2014
90
Boris is gonna make Kyle a lot of money. He owes him 5%
Jun 18th 2014
214
      Kyle needs some meat on his bones if Boris is the target.
Jun 18th 2014
216
           well boris was a more athletic anderson coming into the draft.
Jun 18th 2014
218
                I think Kyle will get strong enough to guard 4s
Jun 18th 2014
222
                That's a good point, re: middle ground.
Jun 18th 2014
224
Good player. A starter? Not sure. A 6th man? Not sure.
Jun 13th 2014
138
For me, totally depends where he goes.
Jun 14th 2014
176
cant defend in the NBA. will be coaching in college soon
Jun 26th 2014
262
Shabazz Napier
Jun 12th 2014
20
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
46
A poor mans Brandon Jennings
Jun 13th 2014
61
That doesn't exist
Jun 13th 2014
100
      Yes it does, it's just in D league or Europe
Jun 13th 2014
117
serviceable pg. he'll be in the league for a while.
Jun 13th 2014
71
Good backup for a good team
Jun 13th 2014
87
Or a starter for a bad team. I agree.
Jun 14th 2014
177
I look forward to him carrying the next gen of the Puerto Rico National ...
Jun 13th 2014
135
MINE. LEBRON wants the Heat to draft him.
Jun 25th 2014
232
meh
Jun 26th 2014
265
Mitch McGary
Jun 12th 2014
21
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
47
A rich mans Plumlee brother
Jun 13th 2014
62
He certainly has their bamma spirit.
Jun 13th 2014
65
I think he's a bit better than that, we should grab him & Kyle Anderson
Jun 13th 2014
159
heathy and in shape...could be a starting 4 for a long time
Jun 26th 2014
264
BEAST.
Jul 07th 2014
270
KJ McDaniels
Jun 12th 2014
22
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
48
Maybe the best defense in the draft.
Jun 14th 2014
179
Cleanthony Early
Jun 12th 2014
23
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
49
Consummate pro. Will give a contender quality minutes for years.
Jun 14th 2014
181
      Poor man's Kawhi, which is extremely valuable
Jun 17th 2014
195
           I like that. Most teams definitely need that.
Jun 17th 2014
208
TJ Warren
Jun 12th 2014
24
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
50
If he can fix the jumper, can be deadly sixth man
Jun 13th 2014
119
Giant if.
Jun 14th 2014
178
even back @ brewster, he was always a bucket getter
Jun 25th 2014
238
hell no
Jun 26th 2014
263
Tyler Ennis
Jun 12th 2014
25
Draft Express Scouting video
Jun 12th 2014
51
Young, but I'm not sure I buy it.
Jun 14th 2014
182
Adreian Payne
Jun 12th 2014
52
This guy is one of my sleepers in the this draft...
Jun 13th 2014
99
The undersized lungs kill his stock for me.
Jun 14th 2014
183
hard to say. could be good, could be nothing.
Jun 26th 2014
266
Jordan Adams
Jun 12th 2014
53
He really needs to become a knockdown shooter to have a chance
Jun 14th 2014
185
      Yeah, I agree.
Jun 14th 2014
190
Clint Capela
Jun 17th 2014
209
Lebron like Napier, stock already belongs to Orbit_Established
Jun 25th 2014
231
good, we're agreed. no waffling when napier bust later, he yours
Jun 25th 2014
235
      If he sucks that's an L for me and Lebron, and a partial L for you
Jun 25th 2014
237
I got James Young stock by default, also going in on Exum
Jun 26th 2014
244
What about stock on the resume that I inboxed you?
Jun 26th 2014
245
      LOL, where'd you hit me, here? I don't think I've checked my inbox
Jun 26th 2014
247
           I was joking, but you get mad respect for that serious reply.
Jun 26th 2014
267
Jarnell Stokes
Jul 06th 2014
269

Frank Longo
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1. "Andrew Wiggins"
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Warren Coolidge
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27. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE0wOOk07ko&list=PLGbx-x-czRRdgeiXP9pwaHz_0VZ4jLsLn

  

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59. "Who I want"
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67. "top 15 player by year 3."
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anything higher than that depends on just how much his handle progresses.

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79. "Scares me for the Bucks"
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108. "good, leave him for us"
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you got giannis. you don't need another raw dude. take jabari.

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116. "Its Wiggins,Embiid or bust"
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Warren Coolidge
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91. "he's got the goods...but"
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the one concern right now I have for him is his frame..his body....dude is thin.... he looks like a high school kid body wise...I know he'll grow into it...but right now..I don't see him carrying the load for an NBA team at the SF position.... I see him more as a SG right now..

  

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101. "Top tier 2 guard. All-Star. Possible All-Defense team guy."
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It all depends on his drive, but dude has the skills to be a monster. I'm high on Embiid's potential, but any team that passes on this guy will regret it.

It may take him a couple of years to reach maximum offense potential, but his perimeter defense could help any team immediately, and he's deadly in the open court. If your team wants to run, he would be beastly.

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128. "Star"
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Might not be a superstar, but will compete on both ends of the court.

He'll be what people thought Harrison Barnes was gonna be.

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147. "High floor because of his athletiscm and defensive ability"
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At worst he's a taller, more athletic Tony Allen. He looks a little stiff hipted though and I don't like that he doesn't finish well at the rim even though he's the best athletic prospect in a while. Still, he has good form in his jumper and scores really well in transition. I think he develops enough offensively to avgerage at least 20 per, while probably averaging around 8 boards and being an all nba defender. With the right team and patience (Philly) he can be a superstar.

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162. "Yes Please."
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I see no real weaknesses, I don't buy into the college 'hunger' stuff either, he was trying to fit into a system in that overcoached slow fake-amateur decaying league.

Get him in the open floor & cut 'em loose.

  

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194. "RE: Andrew Wiggins"
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All in... The best guy from this draft, star, All-NBA.

  

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199. "poor man's Rudy Gay"
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210. "interesting mix of attributes"
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right today he has tmacs rookie body but not his playmaking or handling.

he's actually more like early vince in the fact that he's an athlete, but sloppy with the handle and streaky with the shot.

that said he can defend, he's gonna rebound well on the oboards for his position, and in the open court he's gonna get buckets.

how much does he want to be the best player in this class?
does he get stronger? doesn't dunk on guys enough and misses way too many scoop layups.
does he get a passable mid career vince handle?

if he never gets better from a skillset perspective, he's still an 18-22 ppg guy and an 1-3 team all defense guy.

or he could max out score 25+ for 5-10 yrs and be an 1st team all d guy.

75% on him and 25% on team's player development staff. My fear is him getting with Brett Brown, who'll max him out.

  

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212. "I bet Bucks go Bucks & grab Exum. "
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248. "star"
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2. "Joel Embiid"
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28. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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68. "best center in the league by year 4."
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i'm just having fun w/ these btw

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80. "Scares me for the Bucks"
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92. "not convinced he will be more than a servicable NBA center"
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but even if he is just that....that would be enough because honestly we may not see a game changing center come in the league until Thon Maker....

I like Embid though...he uses his length well in the paint... if he stays healthy he's worth the top pick

  

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102. "If he can stay on the court, perennial All-Star material."
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For how few years he's been playing the game, his offensive skills are SO smooth, and he's a game changer defensively-- outstanding hands, strong quickness for his size. Health is the big issue. Big big issue.

He's another guy who we won't see the full potential of til year 3 or 4. Not a double-double guy year one, but by year 4 if he's healthy? I like his odds.

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129. "Bust"
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He won't be a bust in the overall sense, but a bust in regards to where he'll be drafted and all the hype.

Olajuwon?

GTFOH.

If I was drafting, I'd rather wait until next year where they'll be about 5 Centers who are better than him in the draft.

He'll be a Top 20 Center in the league. Gortat potential.

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139. "It's crazy to me that there are people that think this cat won't be a su..."
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Obviously if healthy. But dude is legit 7 footer with great athleticism, sick footwork already (even though he's only been playing a few years), shooting touch around the rim, the ability to knock down the three ball and the talent to be a great rim protector. Plus, he literally improved each game. We saw a new wrinkle or increased production from him in each game! He's competitive and reports are that he's extremely coachable and works very hard. I just don't see how anyone can think he won't be a superstar. Again, I can't predict injuries but dudes ability is kinda ridiculous and he'll definitely get much better.

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140. "Call me "Crazy Eddie" then bro. I don't see it. "
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And that's before the injury

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141. "You trippin Crazy Ed"
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148. "To me, he looks better than Greg did as a freshman"
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He just didn't get a chance to fully showcase because of the injury, like Oden was able to do with that finals performance against Noah and Horford. If healthy, I think there's no doubt he' a top 5 player in the L at his peak. Size, athleticism, hard worker, footwork, shooting and passing ability, shot blocking ability and transition game.

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149. "I'm a be upping bro. "
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161. "way better, more fluid, better athlete, has touch & still learning"
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if he's healthy, he's the best big man prospect of this century thus far.

can't tell whether they played it safe or he's got legit issues.

He doesn't move like a big, clunky big man, he glides like a 6'8" guy.

  

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NOPE!
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168. "Yeah that's just silly"
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158. "I'm hearing concerns about his health.."
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not sure how legit it is.... got to be careful with back injuries though...

  

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189. "Another thing,since this train is rolling. Okafor >>>>>>>>>> Embiid"
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And in no way did he look better than Oden as a freshman,

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191. "No argument from me."
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Embiid has the high-risk/high-reward going his way, but Okafor is about as safe a stud big man bet as there's been in years.

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200. "Michael Olowokandi Jr."
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217. "olajuwon. ehhhh."
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i mean we've seen an olajuwon so anyone who apes that gets the easy comparison.

really, he's patrick ewing's rookie year body with about 30% of dream's fluidity. which is still amazing.

i love him more for his handling of the double team than anything else. most bigs get doubled and look like kong on the empire state building (*coughroyhibbertcough*)


I think he's going to be able to pick and pop. there's a 12-15 ft jumper he haven't seen much of.
he's quick on the uptick and has grown exponentially in the post, don't expect that to change.


don't expect him to be a monster defensively, but he'll compete and let you know he's there.

feisty with some attitude. that's good.

back holds up he's a 18-10-2bpg over his first 10 yrs guy, with spikes somewhere around yrs 2-4

  

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249. "bust"
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3. "Jabari Parker"
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29. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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81. "Scares me for the Bucks"
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93. "his game and his body are nba ready..."
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he's a playmaking SF.... personally I have him as the #1 rated guy coming out..but I can understand why Embid would go ahead of him..

Parker is ready to go right today though...

  

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103. "Offensive stud. All-Star. "
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His defensive woes have been overblown because he played out of position so much of last year-- he's not quick enough to be a stopper or anything, but he's smart and he works very hard. He won't be a James Harden on defense, he'll be serviceable.

On offense, little he can't do. Threes, check. Sick from mid-range, check. Smooth handles, check. Post game, check. Finishes at the rim, check. Not afraid of contact, check. "Passes the smoothness eye test," check.

The most NBA ready player in the draft. Wiggy and Embiid may have higher ceilings, but I'd be surprised if they look immediately better this year, especially if (and I pray as a Jabari fan it happens) he goes to an offensive minded squad like the Sixers. He could put up 16+ as a rookie in that system.

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110. "i think he's second for me now behind wiggins, talked myself into it"
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dude is gonna score, and we'll have enough defense and athleticism to cover for him elsewhere.

i also think he'll end up being a better defensive player than people think, although you won't want him on the other team's best 3 or 4. that's where a thad young comes in handy, who can take the best 3 or 4.

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137. "A mix between sane early Antoine before he fell in love with 3's &..."
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Paul Pierce.

Has fat man potential.

Not a great defender.

But knows how to play.

Might not be an All-Star, but will be a good player. Josh Smith level.

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150. "High floor here as well"
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At worst he's a 20ppg scorer that stinks on d but grabs boards. He could have a fat problem, but I don't see him allowing that. Seems like a hard worker and I like that he looked like he lost weight in that LA workout. Ceiling is Pierce/Melo. Definitely wouldn't be mad if he lands in Philly. Still would rather have Wiggins and/or Embiid tho.

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201. "more Walker than Pierce"
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246. "RE: Jabari Parker"
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Multiple Allstar game appearances. I think when all said and done, his career stats will look very much like Glenn Robinson and Antoine Walker.

  

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250. "++starter. couple AS games"
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Wont carry a good team but will be an integral part of one in the right situation

  

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4. "Noah Vonleh"
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26. "I'm a big Vonleh fan"
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To me, he's the clear pick at 4 and I wouldn't be completely shocked if he snuck into the top 3.

Two of the biggest themes you hear everybody in the NBA talking about are rim protection and floor spacing. Vonleh has already shown those skills in college and he was a great rebounder, which is one skill that generally translates from college to the pros.

Even if he never develops a reliable low post game on offense or stout post defense I think he'll still be a really valuable in the league.

  

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56. "I agree. The Magic should take him at 4 or grab Exum"
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And trade with the Lakers if Noah slides.

He fills a need and has the greatest upside outside of the top 3 and Exum.

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66. "Since Elfrid Payton will almost certainly be there at 12..."
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I'd grab Vonleh and Payton and go home that night a massive, massive winner.

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57. "he will be an all-star"
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Maybe not perennial but he will make several AS squads.

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96. "I like this kid....a lot..."
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one of the questions I have is.... What really makes Embid a better NBA center prospect than Vonleh???

because to me there is no clear cut answer for that question... Embid may have a better inside the paint offensive game right now.... but Vonleh has the skills to develop into a very good center in the leaugue in my opinion..

he wasn't super involved in the Hosiers offense in college...but the guy has the skills to be a really good player...

  

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104. "I think because Embiid is more "traditional center" polished."
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Vonleh was most impressive to me when he was facing the basket on offense, a la Chris Bosh. He's longer than Bosh and a better rebounder than Bosh. Embiid has more potential in that traditional center back-to-basket regard, especially considering that Embiid's footwork seems more polished right away. Vonleh can bang down low though-- he doesn't shy away from it and he works mighty hard.

It wouldn't surprise me if Vonleh passes one or two of the "Top 3" in this draft though. His potential is through the roof.

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105. "Project, but unquestionably All-Star potential. Really high motor."
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Best rebounder in the class, bar none. Awesome NBA body. Doesn't shy away from contact. Has a really nifty offensive skill set facing the basket, which you wouldn't necessarily expect from a guy with his body.

He's raw though. Lots of freshman mistakes last year-- he wasn't ready to carry his team, and he certainly won't be ready to carry an NBA team for a few years. Still, the only real downsides I see were all things I could attribute to youth: turnover here, forcing a play there, failing to make the right pass now and then.

He could be a top 3 player in the draft. He certainly has a top 3 ceiling.

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124. "any chance this guy falls to 7?"
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126. "None."
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130. "Not better than Julius"
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144. "DRAFT EM DANNY "
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151. "Has the talent to be a 6 yr plus all star"
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Seems like a dude tho that if he lands in the wrong situation, he'll never reach that potential. I don't know, I want Philly to trade up to get him so I guess I think he'll be 6 yr plus all star.

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251. "love the potential. could be top 2-3 in the class"
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Will exist for years as a rebounder at least and could be a Ben Wallace clone with those arms and a commitment to that end

14 bamma-ish points (with the potential for 20 on any given night), 12 rebounds, 3 blk, 3 blocks is a high end projection

Ceiling maybe 2 notches below Drummond

  

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97. "to me...probably the 2nd best prospect in the draft..."
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his size and skill set for a point guard is not something you see too often.... he goes to the hole aggressively....he's a solid shooter and scorer...and a good defender...

would love for this guy to fall to the Lakers but I'm sure he wont...

  

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106. "Haven't seen a lot of him, but his body/skill combo is unique."
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Don't feel comfortable projecting him, but you take a guy like this high in hopes of making him an elite PG. I wouldn't make him a SG-- all scouting reports indicate his shooting is his weakness and he's a stellar playmaker for his size. Give him the green light to be a PG, give him a couple of years to learn the position on the court, and pray he reaches maximum potential.

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152. "Taller Tony Parker with better defense"
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As great of athlete people claim he is, he really didn't impress with the vert. He's very quick/fast tho, rangy, and finishes really well at the rim. I think his jumper improves. Will be around top 5 at his position in his peak years.

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163. "like what I've seen, everyone needs to stop pretending his a PG tho"
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that's just NBA trend-chasing since we barely make twos anymore.

He's 6'6" tho, athletic and looks good moving off the ball.

You don't build around shoot-first PGs, you do a stud shooting guard tho.

  

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202. "poor man's Kobe"
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233. "i'm in. Dwade style dude"
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242. "Reply #123."
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:)

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252. "dunno, havent seen him play."
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268. "Bismack Biyombo ass nigga"
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He'll need time to grow and a patient fan base.

Dude hasn't played basketball in a year. Where's the outrage from the media? Imagiine if DWade took a year off and scouts had awful footage from abroad to go off of. He could be good but he will need time.

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6. "Julius Randle"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7oLRl6NVDU

  

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64. "Foot issue scares me"
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was liking his prospects before that came to light. Kind of need your feet in the NBA...

  

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70. "better than josh smith."
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112. "...he's absolutely nothing like josh smith"
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98. "like him...but have some concerns..."
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his foot is a concern now....but his smaller wingspan has me concerned he wont be able to get a lot of great shots inside the paint because he's a below the rim player...

I hear comparisons to Zach Randolph but Zach has long arms and can get his shot off against anyone..

I like Randle's game though..he's aggressive and he rebounds well...

  

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107. "Incredibly high basement. Hard worker, skilled player."
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Your "worst case scenario" (injury stuff excepted) is a double-digit scorer who scraps for boards and works hard every minute he's on the court. He faced double teams all year long and still put up big numbers. Even if the length of NBA players bothers him at first, he's smart enough and hard working enough to figure out how to give you good stats and help you win games.

He's a safe pick (again, assuming healthy). May never be an All-Star (though I wouldn't be surprised if he made a team or two), but he will consistently give you double figure scoring, north of 6 boards per game right away, and endless amounts of hustle, with some sneaky upside that will go under the radar as his upside isn't as sexy as the more athletic studs in the top eight.

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111. "but the best case scenario is a stronger Carlos Boozer"
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that's not a whole lot of upside.

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114. "Since Booz was a 20-10 guy for a stretch there..."
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... I think it's safe to say a guy with that potential will be and should be a top pick.

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115. "Eh, I meant a stronger Chicago era Booz"
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I don't think he had booz's skill as offensive player, nor is he likely to land in a spot as good as Booz had in Utah.

If Randle is a 15 and 9 Horace Grant type, that's about his upside.

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120. "I trust his offense a little more than you do."
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He can knock down shots, and he's pretty quick for a guy his size. He also never shies away from contact, even when multiple players were on him in Kentucky.

I don't see him as a perennial 20-10 either, personally... but if someone said they saw him putting up 18 and 10, I wouldn't argue against it. Especially the 10-- dude will unquestionably scrap for boards and get them.

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127. "Bigger, stronger, more athletic LaPhonso Ellis. "
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He's the best big in this draft by a long shot.

Could be a 20-10 depending on what team he goes to and the amount of touches he gets.

Should be able to score and rebound from Day 1.

He only showed a fraction of what he could do at UK and had to deal with double and triple teams all year.

Needs to commit to defense, when he did last year he did extremely well.

I look forward to upping this post repeatedly throughout the years for everyone who thinks Vonleh or Gordon will be better.

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157. "I seem to remember Phonse having a better "
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outside the paint game than Randle seems to have....

  

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187. "He's got it. Just didn't have a chance to show it. "
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240. "agreed. Cal had him in the box to help UK"
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if he wanted to showcase him he'd have let him step out.

he's left hand dominant however in most of his face up off the dribble matchups he'll be quicker than the guy guarding him.

if he can keep folks honest with a 15 fter, between ft's oboards, post ups and jumpers he should be a 18-8 guy. 20-10 very plausible.

  

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241. "Defenders will sit on that left hand. He needs to fix that. "
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154. "I like him...."
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He's more skilled than people are giving him credit for. A dude that works that hard and has that much skill will find a way to make an impact. Might not be a 4-5 plus yr all star but should be able to sneak in there at least once.

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211. "if he really slips to ten, we better pick him and ima party"
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BBN

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213. "Ugh then I'd really have to watch the Sixers & root them on"
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215. "you do anyway, make the most of it."
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227. "we'll be bad but better and entertaining next year"
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and very very interesting afterwards. Get involved.

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229. "Lol....I just don't like Philadelphia or their fans."
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But I'll sign up.

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253. "productive 10 year career. Ho Grant level PF"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2xqmw8NHco

  

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72. "big fan. i love his game."
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instant impact from day 1. in the mix for best PG by year 4 if his jumper comes around.

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109. "The Diet Coke version of Dwyane Wade."
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Dude is built like a linebacker, makes terrific plays, and might be the hardest working and most driven player in the draft. Strong rebounder for his position, terrific at the rim and in the open court, and a tough-nosed defender-- I'd trust him against bigger players.

Problems: he gets tunnel vision, and, much like we see from Wade (especially latter-day Wade), he falls in love with mid-rangers that clank. When he's on, he's a monster, but he can shoot you out of a game too-- especially early in his NBA career if he's given the keys to the castle on a team with little help. However, I trust him to develop. He's not where Wade was, probably never will be-- but most teams would take the junior version of Wade for their backcourt.

I don't really see him as a point guard-- again, I think he should be used like Wade: as a 2 guard playmaker paired with a perimeter-oriented point guard who doesn't mind not having the ball in his hands.

If he can work on his three-pointer, that would help round out his game immensely. I wouldn't really count on that for a few years, if ever.

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123. "RE: The Diet Coke version of Dwyane Wade."
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a lot of busts have been called the next DWade or a poor man's DWade. Get a shot or bust.

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125. "Which ones weren't stupid comparisons though?"
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When you Google search "the next Dwyane Wade," you get answers like Victor Oladipo, Brad Beal, and Ben McLemore. None of whom make sense as the next Dwyane Wade.

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155. "dion did, though"
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stocky, no jumper, explosive to the hole guys are pretty common.

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165. "Eh, I need more."
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Waiters was a good "could be" guy, because he played under 25 mins a game, and scored like, what, 12 PPG in college? 13?

Smart and Wade were far more established commodities. Also, both of them were far better stat-sheet stuffers (rebounds and assists especially) than Waiters. Again, don't have it in front of me, but I bet even adjusted for per-40, Waiters would be notably below Smart and Wade in those categories. Probably points too.

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243. "Rodney Stuckey. there was a time when that didn't seem bizarre."
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http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

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207. "low-budget John Wall"
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254. "+starter. future perennial All Defense honors"
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Could also exist as a 30 minute 6th man in a good backcourt

An AS Game or 2 wouldnt surprise me

  

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MeP9bTv_90

  

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63. "If we keep 10, I pray he falls to us"
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We will start with him as a sixth man, where his tweener status won't matter. Just be athletic and work hard for 30 minutes while we figure out what you'll turn into.

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164. "we give that up in the Love trade, sorry buddy"
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69. "bust."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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86. "Scares me for the Bucks"
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94. "Better rebounding Amir Johnson"
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I'm not convinced he can score in the half court at all or defend better 3s consistently (which would up his value) and he's definitely not big enough to slow the better 4s out there, but there's always a place out there for a guy who rebounds, runs the break, and plays hard.

  

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113. "Tweener risk, raw offensively, but defensively alone worth a high pick."
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Even if the dude never becomes more than a dunker/put-back guy on offense, he can change your team immediately defensively. He's fast as shit for his size, laterally terrific-- could guard 2 guards or centers, really. Great ups, great hands, hard hard worker. Steals and blocks will come, but what he does better than anything else is just force bad plays by whoever he's defending (I saw this a lot during the Duke game).

All-Star? Doubtful. All-Defense? Totally doable. And combined with his athleticism and "potential," he's got to be taken high.

Still, his offense really does suck. His jumpers are poor, free throws embarrassing, and he has no post game-- his touch around the basket makes the Plumlees look refined. He has no real position offensively as a result-- if I were to guess, I put him as a 3 and tell him on offense to either drive to the basket or make the extra pass. At least for the first few years.

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153. "Don't see the hype."
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Think he can be a great hustle player off the bench for a chip contender, but not an all star.

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172. "You might get Shawn Marion. You'll probably get Terrance Jones. "
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Athletic combo forward who can defend 2-3 positions,
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197. "RE: Aaron Gordon"
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I see his ceiling being a solid rotation guy - borderline starter on a good team. Thad Young type role. Probably better served as 6th - 7th man. Would be pretty ok with him at 10 for the Sixers.

  

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205. "light-skinned Ariza"
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226. "He can't shoot or create his own shot at all. "
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230. "and neither could Trevor when he was drafted..."
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actually at this same point ...Aaron would have more upside because of his rebounding....

it's an apt comparison

  

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236. "right, Kobe literally taught Ariza how to shoot"
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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bryant-59921-ariza-gasol.html

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239. "loved him as a prep. still love him now"
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wins. state championships. final fours. wins.

if a marion comp is to be made, remember marion was in juco for 2 years before he got to unlv and then the L.

Gordon turns 19 in september.

hoops family and flat out wants it. bad.

the NBA stands for No Boxouts Allowed and he's gonna crush O boards and even better, have teams have to worry where he is when a shot goes up. that matters.

if your pg is worth anything, he'll figure out how to communicate with him to make sure he's getting the ball in places to score. duck ins. lobs.

defensively will be able to guard 1-3's and some stretch 4s.

can get out on the break off the rebound and pass it, or fill a wing and finish.

if he can hit a corner 3 ala marion and bowen, everything else he brings to the table is worth it.

  

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255. "John Salley ceiling, likely non-contributor"
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And I mean pistons era John Salley as a shotblocker/rebounder/energy guy off the bench

Otherwise wont factor in to a good team

  

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9. "Doug McDermott"
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35. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLwWxfkTEI0

  

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73. "he's not worth a top 10 pick but he'll have a solid career."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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234. "^^this"
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88. "Who I bet the Bucks pick"
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118. "Long career. Respectable pro. Huge offensive skill set."
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When you see people compare his game to Adam Morrison's game, shake your head and inform them they are fools. McDermott has a good twenty pounds on Morrison, he is far more physical than Morrison, and he is a superior jump shooter to Morrison in nearly every way-- not a diss to Morrison, McDermott is simply that skilled at shooting the basketball.

His 3 point shooting alone will keep him in the league for over a decade. He just doesn't miss. And he's tall enough and smart enough to pick his shots well-- he shot a lot in college, but he wasn't really a "gunner." He's a smart smart dude.

Likely not an All-Star, and some tweener questions defensively. Maybe not even a starter, when it's all said and done. But I love what he can give to a team looking for immediate offensive help (I mean, Charlotte just makes *sense*), and I love his potential to be one of those guys who's still helping contender teams in 2027.

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204. "Adam Morrison 2.0"
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220. "I'm getting more keen on this guy..."
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he's got a solid offensive game..and plays decent defense..

  

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223. "aw hell naw, I already know Mitch is itching to draft that dude..."
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>and plays decent defense..

no he doesn't, lol

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256. "rich man's Dennis Scott with +rebounding at the 3"
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And im speaking as a 3-D fan and fellow Yellowjacket

Could make an all star game in his career year

  

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10. "Nik Stauskas"
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36. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwWFgomoRy0

  

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60. "Good JJ Reddick"
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As in, he'll be the version of JJ that we see on the clippers

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89. "Bucks probably want him"
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121. "Love this kid. So skilled. Should start for years."
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Not only is he the best 3 point shooter for his position in the first round, he is underratedly good as a playmaker and ballhandler. He can score off the dribble better than you'd expect from the prototypical white college 2 guard. He's also probably the best passer at his position, with strong floor vision that made me think at times (especially early last season) if Michigan would be best off with Stauskas actually running some point.

There's some length/frame/white issues, but he's a double-digit scorer, great team player, hard worker, and if he falls past the tenth pick, I'd be stunned, and some team below would be getting a big steal.

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131. "all interested parties can inbox me for stock prices"
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136. "Good player. Compare him to other white dudes? You're racist."
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I'm not sure he's a starter in the league though.

Might be better suited as a 6th man.

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143. "Compare him to other white dudes? You're racist. <---THIS"
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he may--as in, possibly, not definitely--have some stereotypically white limitations on defense. but dude can get his own shot some and set other people up. he's not just a stationary shooter.

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160. "I'll be that, then, no way in hell do I want a white two-guard at #10"
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Stay Away, Sam.

  

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203. "poor man's Reddick"
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257. "best pure 2 guard in the draft (wiggins looks like 3 to me)"
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Elite pnr skills, elite range, elite release on his shot

I expect he'll post Rip Hamilton numbers and he will definitely be better than Ben McLemore

  

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11. "James Young"
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37. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdyZC31AFRc

  

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74. "i liked what i saw at UK. boom bust kind of player."
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hoping for the boom.

and hopefully he lands on a team w/ a good defensive coach cause he has no idea what he'd doing on that end.

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132. "You say "James Young". I say "James Harden". Best scoring wing..."
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in the draft.

Needs to work on his ball handling.

Needs to work on his passing a lot. Maybe one of the worst passers I've seen in Big Blue.

Can play good defense. Needs to commit on that end.

But he can score and score in bunches. Should live at the line.

He's only gonna get better.

Will be one of the Top 5-7 SG's for a 6 yr stretch.

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180. "You can't say James Harden and then say this: "
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>Needs to work on his ball handling.

Harden is Harden because he's a remarkably deft ball
handler who can get anywhere on the court with it,
run an offense, and get to the cup (which is how he
draws fouls).


>Needs to work on his passing a lot. Maybe one of the worst
>passers I've seen in Big Blue.

Harden is also an excellent passer. Has PG caliber
court vision.


So you've compared a guy to James Harden, and then said
he isn't good at the two things that separate James Harden
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219. "I thought it was obvious I'm evaluating Young as of today...."
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I'm not saying he's Harden or anywhere near a finished product.

That's his ceiling.

He's a natural scorer like Harden.

He's not a bad ball handler. He just needs to improve. Most guards needs to improve their ball handling when they get to the pros. That's a big part of making the big leap.

Young can get to the line and get to where he needs to go with ease right now. But he should be able to do all of that and run the point at times.

And lol @ Harden having point guard vision. Which pg? George Hill. He's a ball dominating 2.

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225. "Young is nothing like Harden. More like a Demar Derozan type. "
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>I'm not saying he's Harden or anywhere near a finished
>product.
>
>That's his ceiling.
>
>He's a natural scorer like Harden.
>
>He's not a bad ball handler. He just needs to improve. Most
>guards needs to improve their ball handling when they get to
>the pros. That's a big part of making the big leap.
>
>Young can get to the line and get to where he needs to go with
>ease right now. But he should be able to do all of that and
>run the point at times.
>
>And lol @ Harden having point guard vision. Which pg? George
>Hill. He's a ball dominating 2.
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228. "Sure champ. He's a "good not great athlete" according to you."
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But he's Deroazan.

Gotcha.

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167. "248...I get stock options on this BillyO"
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kid played for a high school a hop jump and skip from my stomping grounds.

and i was talking him up when basa was talking that dumb shit about him..

im all in.

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186. "I remember fam, Basa tried to say he's not a shooter. "
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196. "I never understood that..that was his rep from the time he was 16"
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high volume shooter/scorer...

if theres one thing he can do, it's that lol

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171. "Really came on at season's end. Versatile, aggressive on offense."
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Still plenty of room to grow, we're unlikely to see his ceiling for a few years, but if he can try harder on defense and hit a more consistent percentage of his 3s, he should be a starter for years.

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184. "I need convincing that he's better than Gerald Henderson"
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He's a clever scorer but I don't see any intangibles

And he's a good, not great, athlete

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258. "could be sean elliott...more likely hes kerry kittles tho"
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+starter,

  

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12. "Elfrid Payton"
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38. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCij475dESw

  

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54. "Love this kid. Rajon Rondo Jr."
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Not the greatest shooter, but such a good playmaker, defender, rebounder, and finisher at the rim that the shooting can wait.

Hard to tell when he's played so little pro competition exactly how high his ceiling could be... but I'd bet on it being higher than lower. If he ends up on the right squad, he can stuff stats and maybe even make the All-Star team.

Went out of my way to watch La-Lafayette some this year after hearing about him early. So fun to watch.

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142. "^^^^Worst Subject Line ever"
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145. "I said Junior."
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You're saying a lesser version of the Rajon Rondo skill set isn't worth the 12th pick?

Or do you just object to any player being compared to a UK player ever?

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146. "I'm saying he shouldn't even be associated with The R."
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He plays nothing like him and doesn't have his skills.

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169. "He will bring the following to the table:"
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- stellar defense, night in and night out
- strong finishes at the rim
- strong positional rebounder
- strong playmaker
- average well over a steal a game, realistically over two steals a game

And coming out of college, he struggles with his jump shot from distance.

But you're right, he won't contribute any of the same types of things Rondo contributes. *eyeroll emoji*

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13. "Dario Saric"
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39. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqmQD_lJlj8

  

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14. "Rodney Hood"
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40. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhT1bxOAB0M

  

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75. "long, respectable nba career."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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122. "A shorter Rashard Lewis."
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He will shoot around 40% from 3 his whole career, has a very high release point, and he can make baskets from anywhere, any way.

His upside is currently limited by his motor on defense, which was poor-- his lateral speed is serviceable, and although his arms are short, he should've worked harder here last year. He also needs to get more comfortable drawing contact, as he would occasionally fall in love with the mid-ranger instead of looking to get fouled.

He won't be the 20 PPG guy Lewis was, due mostly to being smaller, but he could for sure be a 16 PPG guy in the right system.

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192. "Good fit for the Magic with their 12th pick"
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193. "If they take Exum at 4, I agree."
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I still think Vonleh/Payton is better than Exum/Hood, but as a Duke guy, I wouldn't be upset, lol.

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259. "average nba starter at the 3. solid career"
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15. "PJ Hairston"
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41. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXN7xsfg78Y

  

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76. "i'll take all pj stock."
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only sharing w/ UNC fans and fans of the team he ends up on.

future all star.

i believe.

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156. "Just want him to end up in a good situation"
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Chicago, maybe Memphis.

  

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173. "Should have a decade long career. Strong, aggressive 2 guard."
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If he could get his 3 point percentage as close to 40% as possible, he could start... but honestly, I'd use him as a 6th man, bring him in for spurts of offense and to do what he does best-- "score the basketball" (c) Magic

Doesn't scream All-Star, but he's good enough to stick, probably good enough to do double digit PPG consistently.

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260. "nothing memorable. "
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16. "Gary Harris"
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42. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTYbe62dXLo

  

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133. "Bust"
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Smallish two's that don't shoot very well?

Pass

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170. "Average at best."
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Not much more to say. He's simply not the Kobe Jr. prospect people tried to hype him up as.

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17. "Zach Lavine"
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43. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myt7Hg8s4uw

  

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78. "i can see it...but he's a loooooong way off."
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gonna say bust but i'm rooting for him.

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95. "Don't buy the Westbrook stuff at all"
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If he went to a different school Westbrook's name would never come up, Lavine doesn't attack the bucket well at all except on fast breaks, while Westbrook is much stronger and always on the attack. Could see him following the Gerald Green career path.

  

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174. "LaVine seems to really shy away from contact."
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He's that guy at the gym who jacks up 3s and long 2s cuz he doesn't feel like people touching him. Which is also why I think he sucks at the rim unless he's dunking.

Same on defense-- if you go right at him or try to catch him on a screen, he's toast. Again, just doesn't like contact.

Westbrook has never shied away from getting physical.

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188. "Shut up, that guy is me"
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>He's that guy at the gym who jacks up 3s and long 2s cuz he
>doesn't feel like people touching him.

  

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134. "Bust"
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Great at highlights and And 1 shit, but not great at actual basketball.

I look forward to him showing out during the summers with Jamal Crawford, Tony Wroten, & Nate on them youtube pickup videos though.

Speaking of Wroten. Wroten is way better than Lavine in every aspect of basketball yet he slipped to the 2nd and was traded, but people wanna draft Lavine in the lottery?

Okay.

Good luck with that.

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175. "The only shared Russy traits: athleticism and low % shot selection."
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LaVine is not not not NOT a point guard. Laughable that he thinks he could be.

He's deadly in transition, has freakish potential, and (no one talks about this) is a pretty damn good shooter-- as in, his form is strong, and when they're falling, they pass the "eye test." He's definitely got shooting guard potential.

But, as everyone has noted, his feel for the game isn't very good yet. Now, I could chalk that up to youth easily-- but what concerns me even more than "game feel" is, as I said above, he hates contact. Until he learns to be physical and love it, he'll never drive in the half court, and he'll never defend. Which spells a whole lot of bench riding time.

He has the tools to make a career between his athleticism and his jumper-- but he'll probably be a while.

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198. "RE: Zach Lavine"
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Bust.

  

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261. "not good"
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18. "Jusuf Nurkic"
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44. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2IXpr5Wzk

  

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19. "Kyle Anderson"
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55. "buying low"
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77. "solid role player."
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yeah he's a little slow but you need players w/ his feel for the game

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90. "Hey Boris Diaw has had a long career"
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He's basically Diaw minus some croissants (despite that he's not any faster), he'll find a role especially if he can knock down an NBA 3 at a respectable rate... he's going to be wide open on them and his "jumpshot" did make leaps last year.

  

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214. "Boris is gonna make Kyle a lot of money. He owes him 5%"
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if he's lucky he'll end up on a playoff team and will play off the bench, but might close games depending on matchups and log starter minutes.

he'd be great on okc.

  

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216. "Kyle needs some meat on his bones if Boris is the target."
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218. "well boris was a more athletic anderson coming into the draft."
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kyles around boris' size coming into the league, but moves about as slow as charlotte diaw.

there's a middle ground there somewhere.

  

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222. "I think Kyle will get strong enough to guard 4s"
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He's not gonna be GOOD on defense, but he has long arms and at least tries to be in the right place and he's already solidly 230 with room to get stronger. He really can't move when you go at him, but he at least has the instincts to get a few steals and is long enough to at least present some obstacle at the rim. I'm actually a bit more worried about his offense, if you can't score at all in the NBA, even the best passer in the world is gonna have his impact limited (Rubio!), so he at least needs to shoot well enough so that defenders don't sag off him and fuck up the entire offensive flow.

  

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224. "That's a good point, re: middle ground."
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I just want him to put on some weight to help him finish through contact and compete for rebounds the way Diaw can. I reckon weight is the wrong word-- strength is the better word. Diaw in Phoenix that third year was still strong enough to snag 7 boards a game, and I can't see Anderson approaching that in his current body (Phoenix's offense style helped those stats, obviously).

Ideally, I'd like to find a way to have him run the point, but it seems unlikely with his speed that any team would have him as their primary handler from a starting position. Maybe when their starting PG is sitting/injured, he can give the team some tick there.

But he's got the Diaw relative size and passing for sure.

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138. "Good player. A starter? Not sure. A 6th man? Not sure. "
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But he'll help a team win.

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176. "For me, totally depends where he goes."
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He needs to be used for his strengths (playmaking, stat sheet stuffing), and he needs to not be converted into an "NBA 3," the way some have suggested. Pair him with a smart coach who will let him do what he does, and he'll do things. If the wrong team drafts him, we may not see much of what he can do til a trade (or ever).

I hope the Bulls take him and bring him off the bench to run things when Rose is sitting.

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262. "cant defend in the NBA. will be coaching in college soon"
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20. "Shabazz Napier"
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46. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4ZymR0_hpw

  

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61. "A poor mans Brandon Jennings "
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Nope

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100. "That doesn't exist"
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117. "Yes it does, it's just in D league or Europe"
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Which is where Shabazz will be after his first contract

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71. "serviceable pg. he'll be in the league for a while."
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i hope he lands on a decent team.

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87. "Good backup for a good team"
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Something of a Darren Collison type though their games aren't really similar, but that level of impact.

  

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177. "Or a starter for a bad team. I agree."
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135. "I look forward to him carrying the next gen of the Puerto Rico National ..."
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Team along with Mo Harkless and Ricky Ledo.

Should be a solid pro too.

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232. "MINE. LEBRON wants the Heat to draft him. "
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265. "meh"
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21. "Mitch McGary"
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47. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOIqVeNmbU

  

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62. "A rich mans Plumlee brother"
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If you get him after pick 20, it's a steal.

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65. "He certainly has their bamma spirit."
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He can't outrun or out-jump them, but his skills are more refined, and he's more impressively physical. I think he's a steal after the lotto, health permitting.

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159. "I think he's a bit better than that, we should grab him & Kyle Anderson"
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late in the first to a team that wants to save money and give one of our six seconds in return.

  

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264. "heathy and in shape...could be a starting 4 for a long time"
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Needs to add range to his jumper

A smart team will try to use him to run offense out of the high post

Brian Grant with better passing seems like a reasonable projection. How much better that passing is will determine the ceiling

  

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270. "BEAST."
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22. "KJ McDaniels"
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48. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Lr26ORJ_o

  

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179. "Maybe the best defense in the draft."
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The type of guy who doesn't wow you with athleticism or with any one particular offensive skill set, but he tries hard as shit and defensively can hang with the best.

If he'd gone to a blue blood, he'd be a lotto pick.

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23. "Cleanthony Early"
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49. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agfXXIgCHp0

  

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181. "Consummate pro. Will give a contender quality minutes for years."
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Another one of these guys who is good at everything without necessarily being elite at anything. But he has a strong motor, defends well, and can make baskets from anywhere,

If he gets picked by a contender, he can immediately give 18-20 good minutes off the bench and deepen the rotation. He's a great pick anywhere after 20.

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195. "Poor man's Kawhi, which is extremely valuable"
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>Another one of these guys who is good at everything without
>necessarily being elite at anything. But he has a strong
>motor, defends well, and can make baskets from anywhere,
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>If he gets picked by a contender, he can immediately give
>18-20 good minutes off the bench and deepen the rotation. He's
>a great pick anywhere after 20.


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208. "I like that. Most teams definitely need that."
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24. "TJ Warren"
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50. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG4UR065r44

  

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119. "If he can fix the jumper, can be deadly sixth man"
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178. "Giant if."
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238. "even back @ brewster, he was always a bucket getter"
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much like matt stairs was a professional hitter
tj warren will be a professional scorer.

position. long range shooting. none of that shit matters.

he'll be a no plays run for him look up and he's got 12-16 off the bench guy.

much better in the late teens/twenties no conscience kill 2nd unit 3's/4's guy than he would be on a bad squad asking a lot of him.

  

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263. "hell no"
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25. "Tyler Ennis"
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51. "Draft Express Scouting video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjANRwlH5V8

  

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182. "Young, but I'm not sure I buy it."
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Really, the best thing about him was his "clutchness" in college, which we've seen plenty of undersized guards have who didn't make it in the league.

He's also young, and unnaturally smart for his age at that position, so I wouldn't count him out entirely... but there was lotto talk earlier this year, which is a huge cyse. He could fill a backup role if things work out, but that's his ceiling.

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52. "Adreian Payne"
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99. "This guy is one of my sleepers in the this draft..."
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as a power forward...his skill set is as good as anyone in the draft...he can score in the paint..he finishes strong at the rim..and he can shoot the ball outside...

he's got good length and he's an impressive rebounder..

the one thing holding him back is that he as some sort of respritory/lung issue that may keep him from being able to play starter minutes in the league...which is why he's projected lower in the 1st round...

but if there were a way to get this guy with a doctor and treatment to overcome that..he's easily a top 10 talent in this draft.....

  

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183. "The undersized lungs kill his stock for me."
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He's got lotto talent, but he couldn't even play 30 minutes per game in a college season! How is he going to get anything close to starter minutes, much less strong bench player minutes, over an 82+ game season? It affects his durability, his effort at times, and unless you're simply shopping for 15 minutes a game for the whole time he's under contract, I don't know that I'd rely on him as a first rounder. There aren't guys at the bottom of the first with more talent, but there are guys with upside, and there are guys that can give minutes.

The right team could find a way to wring value from him (Clippers as a Blake backup?), but his health condition scares me big time. It's the reason why he never lived up to the hype during his whole MSU stint, and the reason why he was plagued by inconsistency.

Which sucks, cuz when he's on and he's going, he's a lot of fun to watch, and he's a really gifted shooter for his size.

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266. "hard to say. could be good, could be nothing."
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53. "Jordan Adams"
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185. "He really needs to become a knockdown shooter to have a chance"
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I love, love, loved his game in college, but he doesn't have anything to lean on in the league. He's not going to be a great defender, he's not a ballhandler, he's a below average athlete in the NBA, he's really crafty but that only takes you so far. That changes though if he can be a 40%+ type 3 point shooter in the league. If he can do that and contribute a few points in other ways like he knows how to do, he's useful. His mechanics look good and he's already good at working off the ball, but the guy shot 30% and 35% from the shorter college 3, at some point he's going to have to actually make those shots.

  

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190. "Yeah, I agree. "
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The combine killed him too. The size and athleticism stuff-- he almost would have been better served by sitting out. I thought he was an average athlete and an inch taller.

At his height and with his skill set, his best shot is to be a catch-and-shoot guy really, and 35% from the college line doesn't cut it. He's crafty enough to get a second round pick, but I wouldn't be able to bet on him with confidence.

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209. "Clint Capela "
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Complete wild card. Could be Ibaka. Could be Favors. Could fall to the international alliteration curse that has killed Bismack Biyombo, Saer Sene, and Desagan Diop.

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231. "Lebron like Napier, stock already belongs to Orbit_Established"
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http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11133418/2014-nba-draft-miami-heat-chasing-shabazz-napier-attempt-lure-back-lebron-james

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235. "good, we're agreed. no waffling when napier bust later, he yours"
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237. "If he sucks that's an L for me and Lebron, and a partial L for you"
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Soooooo

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244. "I got James Young stock by default, also going in on Exum"
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I think he can overcome his light skinnededness

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

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245. "What about stock on the resume that I inboxed you? "
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247. "LOL, where'd you hit me, here? I don't think I've checked my inbox"
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since the 2000s
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Orbit_Established
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267. "I was joking, but you get mad respect for that serious reply. "
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Nigga was seriously going to look into O_E being his
bodyguard

I fucks with you because of that

Where I can further support you career

Mewelde Moore is out of the league btw

  

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Frank Longo
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269. "Jarnell Stokes"
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I covered a lot of these guys on the podcast, but I wanted to be on record digging Jarnell Stokes as a rebounding bamma who will stick in the league on boards and effort alone.

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