Two weeks until the draft. You know the drill.

I'll list the prospects, you list your thoughts, as detailed or as basic ("he'll be good"/"he'll be sorry") as you want. As meticulously bias-free as possible or as blindly agenda-driven as you want.

Get on record before these guys play a single NBA game as to how you think they'll pan out. Stake claims, "buy stock," etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE0wOOk07ko&list=PLGbx-x-czRRdgeiXP9pwaHz_0VZ4jLsLn

anything higher than that depends on just how much his handle progresses.

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you got giannis. you don't need another raw dude. take jabari.

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the one concern right now I have for him is his frame..his body....dude is thin.... he looks like a high school kid body wise...I know he'll grow into it...but right now..I don't see him carrying the load for an NBA team at the SF position.... I see him more as a SG right now..

It all depends on his drive, but dude has the skills to be a monster. I'm high on Embiid's potential, but any team that passes on this guy will regret it.

It may take him a couple of years to reach maximum offense potential, but his perimeter defense could help any team immediately, and he's deadly in the open court. If your team wants to run, he would be beastly.

Might not be a superstar, but will compete on both ends of the court.

He'll be what people thought Harrison Barnes was gonna be.

At worst he's a taller, more athletic Tony Allen. He looks a little stiff hipted though and I don't like that he doesn't finish well at the rim even though he's the best athletic prospect in a while. Still, he has good form in his jumper and scores really well in transition. I think he develops enough offensively to avgerage at least 20 per, while probably averaging around 8 boards and being an all nba defender. With the right team and patience (Philly) he can be a superstar.

I see no real weaknesses, I don't buy into the college 'hunger' stuff either, he was trying to fit into a system in that overcoached slow fake-amateur decaying league.

Get him in the open floor & cut 'em loose.

All in... The best guy from this draft, star, All-NBA.

right today he has tmacs rookie body but not his playmaking or handling.

he's actually more like early vince in the fact that he's an athlete, but sloppy with the handle and streaky with the shot.

that said he can defend, he's gonna rebound well on the oboards for his position, and in the open court he's gonna get buckets.

how much does he want to be the best player in this class?
does he get stronger? doesn't dunk on guys enough and misses way too many scoop layups.
does he get a passable mid career vince handle?

if he never gets better from a skillset perspective, he's still an 18-22 ppg guy and an 1-3 team all defense guy.

or he could max out score 25+ for 5-10 yrs and be an 1st team all d guy.

75% on him and 25% on team's player development staff. My fear is him getting with Brett Brown, who'll max him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn-dtrmh0nM

i'm just having fun w/ these btw

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but even if he is just that....that would be enough because honestly we may not see a game changing center come in the league until Thon Maker....

I like Embid though...he uses his length well in the paint... if he stays healthy he's worth the top pick

For how few years he's been playing the game, his offensive skills are SO smooth, and he's a game changer defensively-- outstanding hands, strong quickness for his size. Health is the big issue. Big big issue.

He's another guy who we won't see the full potential of til year 3 or 4. Not a double-double guy year one, but by year 4 if he's healthy? I like his odds.

He won't be a bust in the overall sense, but a bust in regards to where he'll be drafted and all the hype.

Olajuwon?

GTFOH.

If I was drafting, I'd rather wait until next year where they'll be about 5 Centers who are better than him in the draft.

He'll be a Top 20 Center in the league. Gortat potential.

Obviously if healthy. But dude is legit 7 footer with great athleticism, sick footwork already (even though he's only been playing a few years), shooting touch around the rim, the ability to knock down the three ball and the talent to be a great rim protector. Plus, he literally improved each game. We saw a new wrinkle or increased production from him in each game! He's competitive and reports are that he's extremely coachable and works very hard. I just don't see how anyone can think he won't be a superstar. Again, I can't predict injuries but dudes ability is kinda ridiculous and he'll definitely get much better.

And that's before the injury

He just didn't get a chance to fully showcase because of the injury, like Oden was able to do with that finals performance against Noah and Horford. If healthy, I think there's no doubt he' a top 5 player in the L at his peak. Size, athleticism, hard worker, footwork, shooting and passing ability, shot blocking ability and transition game.

if he's healthy, he's the best big man prospect of this century thus far.

can't tell whether they played it safe or he's got legit issues.

He doesn't move like a big, clunky big man, he glides like a 6'8" guy.

NOPE!
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not sure how legit it is.... got to be careful with back injuries though...

And in no way did he look better than Oden as a freshman,

Embiid has the high-risk/high-reward going his way, but Okafor is about as safe a stud big man bet as there's been in years.

i mean we've seen an olajuwon so anyone who apes that gets the easy comparison.

really, he's patrick ewing's rookie year body with about 30% of dream's fluidity. which is still amazing.

i love him more for his handling of the double team than anything else. most bigs get doubled and look like kong on the empire state building (*coughroyhibbertcough*)


I think he's going to be able to pick and pop. there's a 12-15 ft jumper he haven't seen much of.
he's quick on the uptick and has grown exponentially in the post, don't expect that to change.


don't expect him to be a monster defensively, but he'll compete and let you know he's there.

feisty with some attitude. that's good.

back holds up he's a 18-10-2bpg over his first 10 yrs guy, with spikes somewhere around yrs 2-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIDYdSW2wew

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he's a playmaking SF.... personally I have him as the #1 rated guy coming out..but I can understand why Embid would go ahead of him..

Parker is ready to go right today though...

His defensive woes have been overblown because he played out of position so much of last year-- he's not quick enough to be a stopper or anything, but he's smart and he works very hard. He won't be a James Harden on defense, he'll be serviceable.

On offense, little he can't do. Threes, check. Sick from mid-range, check. Smooth handles, check. Post game, check. Finishes at the rim, check. Not afraid of contact, check. "Passes the smoothness eye test," check.

The most NBA ready player in the draft. Wiggy and Embiid may have higher ceilings, but I'd be surprised if they look immediately better this year, especially if (and I pray as a Jabari fan it happens) he goes to an offensive minded squad like the Sixers. He could put up 16+ as a rookie in that system.

dude is gonna score, and we'll have enough defense and athleticism to cover for him elsewhere.

i also think he'll end up being a better defensive player than people think, although you won't want him on the other team's best 3 or 4. that's where a thad young comes in handy, who can take the best 3 or 4.

Paul Pierce.

Has fat man potential.

Not a great defender.

But knows how to play.

Might not be an All-Star, but will be a good player. Josh Smith level.

At worst he's a 20ppg scorer that stinks on d but grabs boards. He could have a fat problem, but I don't see him allowing that. Seems like a hard worker and I like that he looked like he lost weight in that LA workout. Ceiling is Pierce/Melo. Definitely wouldn't be mad if he lands in Philly. Still would rather have Wiggins and/or Embiid tho.

Multiple Allstar game appearances. I think when all said and done, his career stats will look very much like Glenn Robinson and Antoine Walker.

Wont carry a good team but will be an integral part of one in the right situation

To me, he's the clear pick at 4 and I wouldn't be completely shocked if he snuck into the top 3.

Two of the biggest themes you hear everybody in the NBA talking about are rim protection and floor spacing. Vonleh has already shown those skills in college and he was a great rebounder, which is one skill that generally translates from college to the pros.

Even if he never develops a reliable low post game on offense or stout post defense I think he'll still be a really valuable in the league.

And trade with the Lakers if Noah slides.

He fills a need and has the greatest upside outside of the top 3 and Exum.

I'd grab Vonleh and Payton and go home that night a massive, massive winner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqtlJ0fP_wA

Maybe not perennial but he will make several AS squads.

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one of the questions I have is.... What really makes Embid a better NBA center prospect than Vonleh???

because to me there is no clear cut answer for that question... Embid may have a better inside the paint offensive game right now.... but Vonleh has the skills to develop into a very good center in the leaugue in my opinion..

he wasn't super involved in the Hosiers offense in college...but the guy has the skills to be a really good player...

Vonleh was most impressive to me when he was facing the basket on offense, a la Chris Bosh. He's longer than Bosh and a better rebounder than Bosh. Embiid has more potential in that traditional center back-to-basket regard, especially considering that Embiid's footwork seems more polished right away. Vonleh can bang down low though-- he doesn't shy away from it and he works mighty hard.

It wouldn't surprise me if Vonleh passes one or two of the "Top 3" in this draft though. His potential is through the roof.

Best rebounder in the class, bar none. Awesome NBA body. Doesn't shy away from contact. Has a really nifty offensive skill set facing the basket, which you wouldn't necessarily expect from a guy with his body.

He's raw though. Lots of freshman mistakes last year-- he wasn't ready to carry his team, and he certainly won't be ready to carry an NBA team for a few years. Still, the only real downsides I see were all things I could attribute to youth: turnover here, forcing a play there, failing to make the right pass now and then.

He could be a top 3 player in the draft. He certainly has a top 3 ceiling.

Seems like a dude tho that if he lands in the wrong situation, he'll never reach that potential. I don't know, I want Philly to trade up to get him so I guess I think he'll be 6 yr plus all star.

Will exist for years as a rebounder at least and could be a Ben Wallace clone with those arms and a commitment to that end

14 bamma-ish points (with the potential for 20 on any given night), 12 rebounds, 3 blk, 3 blocks is a high end projection

Ceiling maybe 2 notches below Drummond

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSadteflk9Y

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his size and skill set for a point guard is not something you see too often.... he goes to the hole aggressively....he's a solid shooter and scorer...and a good defender...

would love for this guy to fall to the Lakers but I'm sure he wont...

Don't feel comfortable projecting him, but you take a guy like this high in hopes of making him an elite PG. I wouldn't make him a SG-- all scouting reports indicate his shooting is his weakness and he's a stellar playmaker for his size. Give him the green light to be a PG, give him a couple of years to learn the position on the court, and pray he reaches maximum potential.

As great of athlete people claim he is, he really didn't impress with the vert. He's very quick/fast tho, rangy, and finishes really well at the rim. I think his jumper improves. Will be around top 5 at his position in his peak years.

that's just NBA trend-chasing since we barely make twos anymore.

He's 6'6" tho, athletic and looks good moving off the ball.

You don't build around shoot-first PGs, you do a stud shooting guard tho.

:)

He'll need time to grow and a patient fan base.

Dude hasn't played basketball in a year. Where's the outrage from the media? Imagiine if DWade took a year off and scouts had awful footage from abroad to go off of. He could be good but he will need time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7oLRl6NVDU

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was liking his prospects before that came to light. Kind of need your feet in the NBA...

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his foot is a concern now....but his smaller wingspan has me concerned he wont be able to get a lot of great shots inside the paint because he's a below the rim player...

I hear comparisons to Zach Randolph but Zach has long arms and can get his shot off against anyone..

I like Randle's game though..he's aggressive and he rebounds well...

Your "worst case scenario" (injury stuff excepted) is a double-digit scorer who scraps for boards and works hard every minute he's on the court. He faced double teams all year long and still put up big numbers. Even if the length of NBA players bothers him at first, he's smart enough and hard working enough to figure out how to give you good stats and help you win games.

He's a safe pick (again, assuming healthy). May never be an All-Star (though I wouldn't be surprised if he made a team or two), but he will consistently give you double figure scoring, north of 6 boards per game right away, and endless amounts of hustle, with some sneaky upside that will go under the radar as his upside isn't as sexy as the more athletic studs in the top eight.

that's not a whole lot of upside.

... I think it's safe to say a guy with that potential will be and should be a top pick.

I don't think he had booz's skill as offensive player, nor is he likely to land in a spot as good as Booz had in Utah.

If Randle is a 15 and 9 Horace Grant type, that's about his upside.

He can knock down shots, and he's pretty quick for a guy his size. He also never shies away from contact, even when multiple players were on him in Kentucky.

I don't see him as a perennial 20-10 either, personally... but if someone said they saw him putting up 18 and 10, I wouldn't argue against it. Especially the 10-- dude will unquestionably scrap for boards and get them.

He's the best big in this draft by a long shot.

Could be a 20-10 depending on what team he goes to and the amount of touches he gets.

Should be able to score and rebound from Day 1.

He only showed a fraction of what he could do at UK and had to deal with double and triple teams all year.

Needs to commit to defense, when he did last year he did extremely well.

I look forward to upping this post repeatedly throughout the years for everyone who thinks Vonleh or Gordon will be better.

outside the paint game than Randle seems to have....

if he wanted to showcase him he'd have let him step out.

he's left hand dominant however in most of his face up off the dribble matchups he'll be quicker than the guy guarding him.

if he can keep folks honest with a 15 fter, between ft's oboards, post ups and jumpers he should be a 18-8 guy. 20-10 very plausible.

He's more skilled than people are giving him credit for. A dude that works that hard and has that much skill will find a way to make an impact. Might not be a 4-5 plus yr all star but should be able to sneak in there at least once.

BBN

and very very interesting afterwards. Get involved.

But I'll sign up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2xqmw8NHco

instant impact from day 1. in the mix for best PG by year 4 if his jumper comes around.

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Dude is built like a linebacker, makes terrific plays, and might be the hardest working and most driven player in the draft. Strong rebounder for his position, terrific at the rim and in the open court, and a tough-nosed defender-- I'd trust him against bigger players.

Problems: he gets tunnel vision, and, much like we see from Wade (especially latter-day Wade), he falls in love with mid-rangers that clank. When he's on, he's a monster, but he can shoot you out of a game too-- especially early in his NBA career if he's given the keys to the castle on a team with little help. However, I trust him to develop. He's not where Wade was, probably never will be-- but most teams would take the junior version of Wade for their backcourt.

I don't really see him as a point guard-- again, I think he should be used like Wade: as a 2 guard playmaker paired with a perimeter-oriented point guard who doesn't mind not having the ball in his hands.

If he can work on his three-pointer, that would help round out his game immensely. I wouldn't really count on that for a few years, if ever.

a lot of busts have been called the next DWade or a poor man's DWade. Get a shot or bust.

When you Google search "the next Dwyane Wade," you get answers like Victor Oladipo, Brad Beal, and Ben McLemore. None of whom make sense as the next Dwyane Wade.

stocky, no jumper, explosive to the hole guys are pretty common.

Waiters was a good "could be" guy, because he played under 25 mins a game, and scored like, what, 12 PPG in college? 13?

Smart and Wade were far more established commodities. Also, both of them were far better stat-sheet stuffers (rebounds and assists especially) than Waiters. Again, don't have it in front of me, but I bet even adjusted for per-40, Waiters would be notably below Smart and Wade in those categories. Probably points too.

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Could also exist as a 30 minute 6th man in a good backcourt

An AS Game or 2 wouldnt surprise me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MeP9bTv_90

We will start with him as a sixth man, where his tweener status won't matter. Just be athletic and work hard for 30 minutes while we figure out what you'll turn into.

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I'm not convinced he can score in the half court at all or defend better 3s consistently (which would up his value) and he's definitely not big enough to slow the better 4s out there, but there's always a place out there for a guy who rebounds, runs the break, and plays hard.

Even if the dude never becomes more than a dunker/put-back guy on offense, he can change your team immediately defensively. He's fast as shit for his size, laterally terrific-- could guard 2 guards or centers, really. Great ups, great hands, hard hard worker. Steals and blocks will come, but what he does better than anything else is just force bad plays by whoever he's defending (I saw this a lot during the Duke game).

All-Star? Doubtful. All-Defense? Totally doable. And combined with his athleticism and "potential," he's got to be taken high.

Still, his offense really does suck. His jumpers are poor, free throws embarrassing, and he has no post game-- his touch around the basket makes the Plumlees look refined. He has no real position offensively as a result-- if I were to guess, I put him as a 3 and tell him on offense to either drive to the basket or make the extra pass. At least for the first few years.

Think he can be a great hustle player off the bench for a chip contender, but not an all star.

Athletic combo forward who can defend 2-3 positions,
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I see his ceiling being a solid rotation guy - borderline starter on a good team. Thad Young type role. Probably better served as 6th - 7th man. Would be pretty ok with him at 10 for the Sixers.

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actually at this same point ...Aaron would have more upside because of his rebounding....

it's an apt comparison

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bryant-59921-ariza-gasol.html

wins. state championships. final fours. wins.

if a marion comp is to be made, remember marion was in juco for 2 years before he got to unlv and then the L.

Gordon turns 19 in september.

hoops family and flat out wants it. bad.

the NBA stands for No Boxouts Allowed and he's gonna crush O boards and even better, have teams have to worry where he is when a shot goes up. that matters.

if your pg is worth anything, he'll figure out how to communicate with him to make sure he's getting the ball in places to score. duck ins. lobs.

defensively will be able to guard 1-3's and some stretch 4s.

can get out on the break off the rebound and pass it, or fill a wing and finish.

if he can hit a corner 3 ala marion and bowen, everything else he brings to the table is worth it.

And I mean pistons era John Salley as a shotblocker/rebounder/energy guy off the bench

Otherwise wont factor in to a good team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLwWxfkTEI0

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When you see people compare his game to Adam Morrison's game, shake your head and inform them they are fools. McDermott has a good twenty pounds on Morrison, he is far more physical than Morrison, and he is a superior jump shooter to Morrison in nearly every way-- not a diss to Morrison, McDermott is simply that skilled at shooting the basketball.

His 3 point shooting alone will keep him in the league for over a decade. He just doesn't miss. And he's tall enough and smart enough to pick his shots well-- he shot a lot in college, but he wasn't really a "gunner." He's a smart smart dude.

Likely not an All-Star, and some tweener questions defensively. Maybe not even a starter, when it's all said and done. But I love what he can give to a team looking for immediate offensive help (I mean, Charlotte just makes *sense*), and I love his potential to be one of those guys who's still helping contender teams in 2027.

he's got a solid offensive game..and plays decent defense..

>and plays decent defense..

no he doesn't, lol

And im speaking as a 3-D fan and fellow Yellowjacket

Could make an all star game in his career year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwWFgomoRy0

As in, he'll be the version of JJ that we see on the clippers

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Not only is he the best 3 point shooter for his position in the first round, he is underratedly good as a playmaker and ballhandler. He can score off the dribble better than you'd expect from the prototypical white college 2 guard. He's also probably the best passer at his position, with strong floor vision that made me think at times (especially early last season) if Michigan would be best off with Stauskas actually running some point.

There's some length/frame/white issues, but he's a double-digit scorer, great team player, hard worker, and if he falls past the tenth pick, I'd be stunned, and some team below would be getting a big steal.

I'm not sure he's a starter in the league though.

Might be better suited as a 6th man.

he may--as in, possibly, not definitely--have some stereotypically white limitations on defense. but dude can get his own shot some and set other people up. he's not just a stationary shooter.

Stay Away, Sam.

Elite pnr skills, elite range, elite release on his shot

I expect he'll post Rip Hamilton numbers and he will definitely be better than Ben McLemore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdyZC31AFRc

hoping for the boom.

and hopefully he lands on a team w/ a good defensive coach cause he has no idea what he'd doing on that end.

in the draft.

Needs to work on his ball handling.

Needs to work on his passing a lot. Maybe one of the worst passers I've seen in Big Blue.

Can play good defense. Needs to commit on that end.

But he can score and score in bunches. Should live at the line.

He's only gonna get better.

Will be one of the Top 5-7 SG's for a 6 yr stretch.

>Needs to work on his ball handling.

Harden is Harden because he's a remarkably deft ball
handler who can get anywhere on the court with it,
run an offense, and get to the cup (which is how he
draws fouls).


>Needs to work on his passing a lot. Maybe one of the worst
>passers I've seen in Big Blue.

Harden is also an excellent passer. Has PG caliber
court vision.


So you've compared a guy to James Harden, and then said
he isn't good at the two things that separate James Harden
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I'm not saying he's Harden or anywhere near a finished product.

That's his ceiling.

He's a natural scorer like Harden.

He's not a bad ball handler. He just needs to improve. Most guards needs to improve their ball handling when they get to the pros. That's a big part of making the big leap.

Young can get to the line and get to where he needs to go with ease right now. But he should be able to do all of that and run the point at times.

And lol @ Harden having point guard vision. Which pg? George Hill. He's a ball dominating 2.

>I'm not saying he's Harden or anywhere near a finished
>product.
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>That's his ceiling.
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>He's a natural scorer like Harden.
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>He's not a bad ball handler. He just needs to improve. Most
>guards needs to improve their ball handling when they get to
>the pros. That's a big part of making the big leap.
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>Young can get to the line and get to where he needs to go with
>ease right now. But he should be able to do all of that and
>run the point at times.
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>And lol @ Harden having point guard vision. Which pg? George
>Hill. He's a ball dominating 2.
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But he's Deroazan.

Gotcha.

kid played for a high school a hop jump and skip from my stomping grounds.

and i was talking him up when basa was talking that dumb shit about him..

im all in.

high volume shooter/scorer...

if theres one thing he can do, it's that lol

Still plenty of room to grow, we're unlikely to see his ceiling for a few years, but if he can try harder on defense and hit a more consistent percentage of his 3s, he should be a starter for years.

He's a clever scorer but I don't see any intangibles

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+starter,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCij475dESw

Not the greatest shooter, but such a good playmaker, defender, rebounder, and finisher at the rim that the shooting can wait.

Hard to tell when he's played so little pro competition exactly how high his ceiling could be... but I'd bet on it being higher than lower. If he ends up on the right squad, he can stuff stats and maybe even make the All-Star team.

Went out of my way to watch La-Lafayette some this year after hearing about him early. So fun to watch.

You're saying a lesser version of the Rajon Rondo skill set isn't worth the 12th pick?

Or do you just object to any player being compared to a UK player ever?

He plays nothing like him and doesn't have his skills.

- stellar defense, night in and night out
- strong finishes at the rim
- strong positional rebounder
- strong playmaker
- average well over a steal a game, realistically over two steals a game

And coming out of college, he struggles with his jump shot from distance.

But you're right, he won't contribute any of the same types of things Rondo contributes. *eyeroll emoji*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqmQD_lJlj8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhT1bxOAB0M

He will shoot around 40% from 3 his whole career, has a very high release point, and he can make baskets from anywhere, any way.

His upside is currently limited by his motor on defense, which was poor-- his lateral speed is serviceable, and although his arms are short, he should've worked harder here last year. He also needs to get more comfortable drawing contact, as he would occasionally fall in love with the mid-ranger instead of looking to get fouled.

He won't be the 20 PPG guy Lewis was, due mostly to being smaller, but he could for sure be a 16 PPG guy in the right system.

I still think Vonleh/Payton is better than Exum/Hood, but as a Duke guy, I wouldn't be upset, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXN7xsfg78Y

only sharing w/ UNC fans and fans of the team he ends up on.

future all star.

i believe.

Chicago, maybe Memphis.

If he could get his 3 point percentage as close to 40% as possible, he could start... but honestly, I'd use him as a 6th man, bring him in for spurts of offense and to do what he does best-- "score the basketball" (c) Magic

Doesn't scream All-Star, but he's good enough to stick, probably good enough to do double digit PPG consistently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTYbe62dXLo

Smallish two's that don't shoot very well?

Pass

Not much more to say. He's simply not the Kobe Jr. prospect people tried to hype him up as.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myt7Hg8s4uw

gonna say bust but i'm rooting for him.

If he went to a different school Westbrook's name would never come up, Lavine doesn't attack the bucket well at all except on fast breaks, while Westbrook is much stronger and always on the attack. Could see him following the Gerald Green career path.

He's that guy at the gym who jacks up 3s and long 2s cuz he doesn't feel like people touching him. Which is also why I think he sucks at the rim unless he's dunking.

Same on defense-- if you go right at him or try to catch him on a screen, he's toast. Again, just doesn't like contact.

Westbrook has never shied away from getting physical.

>He's that guy at the gym who jacks up 3s and long 2s cuz he
>doesn't feel like people touching him.

Great at highlights and And 1 shit, but not great at actual basketball.

I look forward to him showing out during the summers with Jamal Crawford, Tony Wroten, & Nate on them youtube pickup videos though.

Speaking of Wroten. Wroten is way better than Lavine in every aspect of basketball yet he slipped to the 2nd and was traded, but people wanna draft Lavine in the lottery?

Okay.

Good luck with that.

LaVine is not not not NOT a point guard. Laughable that he thinks he could be.

He's deadly in transition, has freakish potential, and (no one talks about this) is a pretty damn good shooter-- as in, his form is strong, and when they're falling, they pass the "eye test." He's definitely got shooting guard potential.

But, as everyone has noted, his feel for the game isn't very good yet. Now, I could chalk that up to youth easily-- but what concerns me even more than "game feel" is, as I said above, he hates contact. Until he learns to be physical and love it, he'll never drive in the half court, and he'll never defend. Which spells a whole lot of bench riding time.

He has the tools to make a career between his athleticism and his jumper-- but he'll probably be a while.

Bust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2IXpr5Wzk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFGl9ndbjZ0

yeah he's a little slow but you need players w/ his feel for the game

He's basically Diaw minus some croissants (despite that he's not any faster), he'll find a role especially if he can knock down an NBA 3 at a respectable rate... he's going to be wide open on them and his "jumpshot" did make leaps last year.

if he's lucky he'll end up on a playoff team and will play off the bench, but might close games depending on matchups and log starter minutes.

he'd be great on okc.

kyles around boris' size coming into the league, but moves about as slow as charlotte diaw.

there's a middle ground there somewhere.

He's not gonna be GOOD on defense, but he has long arms and at least tries to be in the right place and he's already solidly 230 with room to get stronger. He really can't move when you go at him, but he at least has the instincts to get a few steals and is long enough to at least present some obstacle at the rim. I'm actually a bit more worried about his offense, if you can't score at all in the NBA, even the best passer in the world is gonna have his impact limited (Rubio!), so he at least needs to shoot well enough so that defenders don't sag off him and fuck up the entire offensive flow.

I just want him to put on some weight to help him finish through contact and compete for rebounds the way Diaw can. I reckon weight is the wrong word-- strength is the better word. Diaw in Phoenix that third year was still strong enough to snag 7 boards a game, and I can't see Anderson approaching that in his current body (Phoenix's offense style helped those stats, obviously).

Ideally, I'd like to find a way to have him run the point, but it seems unlikely with his speed that any team would have him as their primary handler from a starting position. Maybe when their starting PG is sitting/injured, he can give the team some tick there.

But he's got the Diaw relative size and passing for sure.

But he'll help a team win.

He needs to be used for his strengths (playmaking, stat sheet stuffing), and he needs to not be converted into an "NBA 3," the way some have suggested. Pair him with a smart coach who will let him do what he does, and he'll do things. If the wrong team drafts him, we may not see much of what he can do til a trade (or ever).

I hope the Bulls take him and bring him off the bench to run things when Rose is sitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4ZymR0_hpw

Nope

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Which is where Shabazz will be after his first contract

i hope he lands on a decent team.

Something of a Darren Collison type though their games aren't really similar, but that level of impact.

Team along with Mo Harkless and Ricky Ledo.

Should be a solid pro too.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOIqVeNmbU

If you get him after pick 20, it's a steal.

He can't outrun or out-jump them, but his skills are more refined, and he's more impressively physical. I think he's a steal after the lotto, health permitting.

late in the first to a team that wants to save money and give one of our six seconds in return.

Needs to add range to his jumper

A smart team will try to use him to run offense out of the high post

Brian Grant with better passing seems like a reasonable projection. How much better that passing is will determine the ceiling

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br-yosNCcAAlrBK.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Lr26ORJ_o

The type of guy who doesn't wow you with athleticism or with any one particular offensive skill set, but he tries hard as shit and defensively can hang with the best.

If he'd gone to a blue blood, he'd be a lotto pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agfXXIgCHp0

Another one of these guys who is good at everything without necessarily being elite at anything. But he has a strong motor, defends well, and can make baskets from anywhere,

If he gets picked by a contender, he can immediately give 18-20 good minutes off the bench and deepen the rotation. He's a great pick anywhere after 20.

>Another one of these guys who is good at everything without
>necessarily being elite at anything. But he has a strong
>motor, defends well, and can make baskets from anywhere,
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>If he gets picked by a contender, he can immediately give
>18-20 good minutes off the bench and deepen the rotation. He's
>a great pick anywhere after 20.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG4UR065r44

much like matt stairs was a professional hitter
tj warren will be a professional scorer.

position. long range shooting. none of that shit matters.

he'll be a no plays run for him look up and he's got 12-16 off the bench guy.

much better in the late teens/twenties no conscience kill 2nd unit 3's/4's guy than he would be on a bad squad asking a lot of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjANRwlH5V8

Really, the best thing about him was his "clutchness" in college, which we've seen plenty of undersized guards have who didn't make it in the league.

He's also young, and unnaturally smart for his age at that position, so I wouldn't count him out entirely... but there was lotto talk earlier this year, which is a huge cyse. He could fill a backup role if things work out, but that's his ceiling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHvs_z_gaoM

as a power forward...his skill set is as good as anyone in the draft...he can score in the paint..he finishes strong at the rim..and he can shoot the ball outside...

he's got good length and he's an impressive rebounder..

the one thing holding him back is that he as some sort of respritory/lung issue that may keep him from being able to play starter minutes in the league...which is why he's projected lower in the 1st round...

but if there were a way to get this guy with a doctor and treatment to overcome that..he's easily a top 10 talent in this draft.....

He's got lotto talent, but he couldn't even play 30 minutes per game in a college season! How is he going to get anything close to starter minutes, much less strong bench player minutes, over an 82+ game season? It affects his durability, his effort at times, and unless you're simply shopping for 15 minutes a game for the whole time he's under contract, I don't know that I'd rely on him as a first rounder. There aren't guys at the bottom of the first with more talent, but there are guys with upside, and there are guys that can give minutes.

The right team could find a way to wring value from him (Clippers as a Blake backup?), but his health condition scares me big time. It's the reason why he never lived up to the hype during his whole MSU stint, and the reason why he was plagued by inconsistency.

Which sucks, cuz when he's on and he's going, he's a lot of fun to watch, and he's a really gifted shooter for his size.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O3_SvhACws

I love, love, loved his game in college, but he doesn't have anything to lean on in the league. He's not going to be a great defender, he's not a ballhandler, he's a below average athlete in the NBA, he's really crafty but that only takes you so far. That changes though if he can be a 40%+ type 3 point shooter in the league. If he can do that and contribute a few points in other ways like he knows how to do, he's useful. His mechanics look good and he's already good at working off the ball, but the guy shot 30% and 35% from the shorter college 3, at some point he's going to have to actually make those shots.

The combine killed him too. The size and athleticism stuff-- he almost would have been better served by sitting out. I thought he was an average athlete and an inch taller.

At his height and with his skill set, his best shot is to be a catch-and-shoot guy really, and 35% from the college line doesn't cut it. He's crafty enough to get a second round pick, but I wouldn't be able to bet on him with confidence.

Complete wild card. Could be Ibaka. Could be Favors. Could fall to the international alliteration curse that has killed Bismack Biyombo, Saer Sene, and Desagan Diop.

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11133418/2014-nba-draft-miami-heat-chasing-shabazz-napier-attempt-lure-back-lebron-james

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Soooooo

I'd say I almost got you in full cobra clutch dunny



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I think he can overcome his light skinnededness

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I'll wipe your devices down with alcohol and silky
cloths, Pawz.

since the 2000s
http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Nigga was seriously going to look into O_E being his
bodyguard

I fucks with you because of that

Where I can further support you career

Mewelde Moore is out of the league btw

I covered a lot of these guys on the podcast, but I wanted to be on record digging Jarnell Stokes as a rebounding bamma who will stick in the league on boards and effort alone.