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"i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"


  

          

this show aint got nothing but HIGH marks from every critic across the country.
now these mofos got a problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/arts/music/13root.html?_r=2&ref=arts&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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to each his own i guess...
Mar 13th 2007
1
coming from someone who hasn't heard a dylan song..
Mar 13th 2007
5
i thought this tour was the best i've seen from the legendary
Mar 13th 2007
2
this also gets to me...
Mar 13th 2007
3
I think....
Mar 13th 2007
4
co-sign
Mar 13th 2007
6
      RE: co-sign
Mar 13th 2007
8
           RE: co-sign
Mar 15th 2007
68
You know reviewers usually give shitty reviews
Mar 13th 2007
7
that was a very strange review. nothing flowed.
Mar 13th 2007
9
cosign: that was a very strange review. nothing flowed.
Mar 13th 2007
15
RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 13th 2007
10
RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 13th 2007
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      RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 14th 2007
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RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 13th 2007
12
this is why i find music reviews obslete now a days
Mar 13th 2007
13
the review seemed condescending on all fronts
Mar 13th 2007
14
I don't think that writer really likes life
Mar 13th 2007
16
this is rediculous
Mar 13th 2007
17
I didn't see this show but I've seen the Roots at least 50 times
Mar 13th 2007
19
      mmm-mmmm-mm: I was about to breathe fire up in here, but...
Mar 14th 2007
32
      RE: mmm-mmmm-mm: I was about to breathe fire up in here, but...
Mar 14th 2007
40
      maybe I'm not a good judge of bass and keyboard solos
Mar 14th 2007
52
      co-sign Bomb...
Mar 14th 2007
36
Here's how to write a letter to the NY TImes:
Mar 13th 2007
18
time for a critical beatdown.
Mar 13th 2007
20
RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 13th 2007
21
lmao
Mar 14th 2007
23
lets beat their ass...
Mar 13th 2007
22
*Lights a torch*...
Mar 14th 2007
31
With all that hate, he prolly has a screen name here at Okayplayer.
Mar 14th 2007
24
RE: With all that hate, he prolly has a screen name here at Okayplayer.
Mar 14th 2007
26
You know?!?!?!!!
Mar 14th 2007
35
and he porobably posts in the lesson
Mar 14th 2007
46
I was just about to post this
Mar 14th 2007
25
I Think You're Ignoring all the Positives...
Mar 14th 2007
27
RE: I Think You're Ignoring all the Positives...
Mar 14th 2007
28
RE: I Think You're Ignoring all the Positives...
Mar 14th 2007
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RE: I Think You're Ignoring all the Positives...
Mar 14th 2007
49
nah he's not lying, Kamal sucks a little on the solo tip
Apr 06th 2007
71
as a Roots fan that routinely brings Roots novices to shows
Apr 08th 2007
75
RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 14th 2007
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RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 14th 2007
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      Not True At All...
Mar 14th 2007
48
           blah blah blah, that rant was more boring then a 15 minute bass solo
Apr 06th 2007
70
                you crazy, bass solo is one of the highlights of the show...
Apr 06th 2007
72
the fuck do they know anywayz?
Mar 14th 2007
30
Sounds like they're nitpicking y'all
Mar 14th 2007
33
LOL stop being so Wonky
Mar 14th 2007
34
that was my favorite part....WONKY
Mar 15th 2007
66
I'll see you on 4-16-2007
Mar 14th 2007
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RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 14th 2007
39
also
Mar 14th 2007
50
RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 14th 2007
41
i was surpriseed they didn't hate on the fro, or the cammo drums
Mar 14th 2007
43
FUCK THAT SHIT
Mar 14th 2007
44
He is an idiot.
Mar 14th 2007
45
CO-SIGN
Mar 14th 2007
58
RE: He is an idiot.
Mar 14th 2007
60
RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 14th 2007
51
RE: Ummmm
Mar 14th 2007
53
just not a great review
Mar 14th 2007
54
RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 14th 2007
55
YES!!! This is what the hell I'm talking about!
Mar 15th 2007
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RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times
Mar 14th 2007
56
RELEASE THE HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUNDS!!!
Mar 14th 2007
57
Is this when you look for the shower of praise
Mar 14th 2007
59
i just wanna know
Mar 14th 2007
61
You said "we". House nigger.
Mar 15th 2007
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RE: You said "we". House nigger.
Mar 15th 2007
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RE: You said "we". House nigger.
Mar 15th 2007
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this is the same ock
Mar 15th 2007
67
kill yourself.
Apr 08th 2007
74
he said "Wonky"
Mar 15th 2007
63
can somebody swipe this sh!t? i'm not registering for a damn thing
Apr 07th 2007
73

FortifiedLive
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1. "to each his own i guess..."
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>"But there was also an unfortunate amount of filler in the show. The Roots may be the only hip-hop act that would subject its audience to a wonky exhibition by its bassist, or a wonkier (but thankfully shorter) solo by its keyboardist. One frivolous medley shuffled through hip-hop allusions like flash cards: the Incredible Bongo Band, Snoop Dogg, Biz Markie. On the flip side there was nothing frivolous about the guitarist Kirk Douglas singing Bob Dylan’s “Masters of War”; ponderous would be the better word."

oh hell no. yall cover of Masters of War was incredible. i don't even know what filler he's talking about.

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5. "coming from someone who hasn't heard a dylan song.."
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i thought masters of war was just ok. i understand the importance and the sentiment of the song, but i felt that it kinda dragged. it was dope getting all hype before the song, but i remember hearing people sighing and saying hurry up during the song. i thought it was dope the way they used the tuba and kirk

  

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krayzeeboi38
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2. "i thought this tour was the best i've seen from the legendary"
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hater.

  

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FortifiedLive
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3. "this also gets to me..."
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>"On both songs the rapper known as Black Thought managed a delivery more lithe and dynamic than on the recordings, holding his ground on a crowded stage, at least for the time being."

at least for the time being? then he doesn't even explain where Thought faltered. smh.

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Bialy
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4. "I think...."
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some of these "critics" as they call themselves think that to be doing their job they need to find something to criticize to have done their job. or make it seem like they know what they're talking about.

they'll always be a little too elite to completely praise a roots show.

  

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6. "co-sign"
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With no one to compare you to, they feel sort of obliged to take the group's approach/perogative and find whether it fits with whatever they feel at the moment.


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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8. "RE: co-sign"
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?uest, i had the same reaction reading this article. Having attended both ny shows, i came to the conclusion that 50% of your show, at minimum, is just unbelievable music, no matter what fan of music genre you like (the covers, brass band stuff, finale, the seed, next movement, etc...). in other words, if thats not your thing, it is you, not them.

this was the show that, in the back of my mind, i think i always wanted to see out of you guys. the improvisation, the jamming, the 'this is the roots...we don't need no special guests...hear us finally roar' type shit. And i was totally floored by it and my ridiculously high expectations, after 31 previous shows, were met. but for y'all, it is always going to be damned if you do, damned if you do not, and i can only hope it does not get you guys down. your show will always be too hip-hop, too hippiesh, too soulful, too many special guests, not enough special guests, etc...to somebody. but just know that your real fans, and/or the people who actually recognize GOOD music and know something special when they see it, understand that you guys are the baddest band in music right now. no one is touching that live show, believe me...looking forward to philly quest!

  

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68. "RE: co-sign"
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>you guys are the baddest band in music right now.

definitely yes!

and hub's THE man on bass.

  

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gravity508
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7. "You know reviewers usually give shitty reviews"
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if the journalist covering it isn't a fan.

but as a fan I think I am biased...
I went to two shows from this tour

DC & NYC
*and no funky drummer, I wasn't trying to get the stick, I was just
saying hello* lol

In comparision, I personally felt that the NYC show on the 12th
was better than the DC show on the 9th, to me that's the allure of the Roots, shit..I was thinking about hitting up the show in Minn on the 20
but more for the venue....the roots was an added bonus =)

anyway, I think that the show was a good show...fuck the times, its one person's view of a show. They just report the bad, complement the good..

  

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9. "that was a very strange review. nothing flowed."
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-T
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"rick ross got old african woman swag" (c)nayaa

  

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15. "cosign: that was a very strange review. nothing flowed."
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someone should review the effing reviews.

  

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10. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=1141592&mesg_id=1141592&listing_type=search




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11. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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I was at the Sunday show, and it was new and fresh, after too many Roots shows to count now, I'm always afraid that "this one will get me bored." But, nope, the Sunday show was the best show musically, my wife and I have attended. Fuck a NY Times.

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38. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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Damn homie, U just stole my blog. WORD for WORD! therefore, I'll just co-sign. Good money! I was down on the lower level in the grey kangol blazinupthegoodgreen. YES-YES!

Boutbidnis

  

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pidgwillot
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12. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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>The Roots may be the only hip-hop act that would subject its audience >to a wonky exhibition by its bassist, or a wonkier (but thankfully >shorter) solo by its keyboardist.

Fuck the times. The solo was nasty.

This show was much more impressive than even the rcmh shows, just because it showed even more that the roots are a complete BAND. This close-minded journalist obviously thinks that just because you guys are labeled as hip-hop, that you should be wary of doing anything else.

nice job. keep it up

  

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58impala
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13. "this is why i find music reviews obslete now a days"
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14. "the review seemed condescending on all fronts"
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i bet dude is a grade-A douchebag, haha

  

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16. "I don't think that writer really likes life"
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i mean, everything he/she/it wrote was looking at the half-empty glass.


i mean, we could all point out the negative in rooots shows just like anything else but I mean... why?

  

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17. "this is rediculous"
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wonky?

"The Roots may be the only hip-hop act that would subject its audience to a wonky exhibition by its bassist, or a wonkier (but thankfully shorter) solo by its keyboardist. One frivolous medley shuffled through hip-hop allusions like flash cards: the Incredible Bongo Band, Snoop Dogg, Biz Markie."

"circle of success, I learned that from the best"

"today's the first day that begins forever"

  

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19. "I didn't see this show but I've seen the Roots at least 50 times"
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and while I wouldn't use some bullshit music critic term like 'wonky'......there is no point to me in having extended bass solos towards the end of every show. When everyone's solos get extended (especially when they do them one after the other) it does slightly damage the momentum of an otherwise great show to me......and I know many that feel the same way.

Covers and medleys work, I love incorporating horns, Kirk feels more like a true band member than any guitarist they've had before, etc.

but a lot of times the solos (when not performed in the context of an actual song) can feel like each member is trying to display a musicality that is better expressed by just playing together as the banging-ass band that they are.

Obviously they're the best band going, so I've long since learned to just accept that the solos are coming and hope that they close out strong (because there was a time a few years back when they'd close after about 45 minutes of straight solos....which felt anticlimactic as hell).

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32. "mmm-mmmm-mm: I was about to breathe fire up in here, but..."
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I've said it too many times on this board.

THE ROOTS WEAK LINKS ARE THEIR WORSE ENEMY.

Go and put on the Live In the Studio Gilles Peterson Worldwide version of Melting Pot from Homegrown.

Then go listen to the Lovesexy rehersals, or Stop Making Sense.

it's time to be playing on your strengths only,guys.

cut out some solos you easily got 2-3 more SONGS that the people came to hear.

"The new age of education is programmed for discovery rather than instruction.Art as radar environment, radar feedback, early warning system: the antennae of the race." – Marshall McLuhan

peace

  

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40. "RE: mmm-mmmm-mm: I was about to breathe fire up in here, but..."
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The fellas need to take thier breaks! This is the reason for the solos. I hate to say it, but i too hate Hub's solos. I personally would rather see them bring out an up&coming MC or crooner to rock while they take thier breaks.

Boutbidnis

  

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52. "maybe I'm not a good judge of bass and keyboard solos"
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but as a fan of music I think Hub and Kamal always offer some interesting shit.

I'm confused though, are you mad at the solos themselves or the fact that they take the time to do them?

maybe people don't have the attention span to sit through a solo, but for me they are entertaining.

"circle of success, I learned that from the best"

"today's the first day that begins forever"

  

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36. "co-sign Bomb..."
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nm

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18. "Here's how to write a letter to the NY TImes:"
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http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/lettertoeditor.html

I'm getting sick of their political commentary too, Frank Rich is now a bore to read.

-if i had my way
i would've been a killer
i would have given them
violence, violence
and shotguns shotguns
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20. "time for a critical beatdown."
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21. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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well if you guys want a real laugh, click the link for "Kirk Douglas" in the article.

  

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23. "lmao"
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>well if you guys want a real laugh, click the link for "Kirk
>Douglas" in the article.

had me on the floor

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22. "lets beat their ass..."
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31. "*Lights a torch*..."
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====

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about not getting any pussy and
talking about not using washcloths
and too dumb to see the correlation"

  

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24. "With all that hate, he prolly has a screen name here at Okayplayer."
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my bad.

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26. "RE: With all that hate, he prolly has a screen name here at Okayplayer."
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F the new york times...they in jersey anyway!

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35. "You know?!?!?!!!"
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I saw this and was like, "uh, ok" but besides there being little fluidity to the review, there's no expounding on criticisms. Yeah and "wonky" isn't a word I would use in a review. If I get time today I will post my humble review of the shows on here. But alas, I have a day job I need to attend to...


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46. "and he porobably posts in the lesson"
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25. "I was just about to post this"
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i was like wtf?
Did you say something bad about the rap writer over there Kalefah??

  

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27. "I Think You're Ignoring all the Positives..."
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and letting the negative comments dissolve.

They said a lot of great shit. I just returned from the Boston show, my twelfth one, and I was as impressed as I always was. but of course, my standards were higher for this show than the first one. THat's the times' problem, hence the crack about being the best live band in hip hop.

You guys were great, but they have a point about the solos.

they serve their purpose, but it is starting to feel like filler. i KNOW you're not there to impress me and anyone else who's been to many many shows, but rather convert newcomers, and while it's so effective, it feels like a bit of an artistic sacrifice.

Hub has chops out the wazoo, and on occasion his solo really REALLY soars (last Boston in August i really felt it) but tonight it felt contrived and gimmicky, with the same rappers delight break y'all been doing since '99 or earlier.

I truly am grateful that you provide such a different set and setup every tour, i am! It's beyond impressive, its generous, and the truest colors of an amazing band. But i think the next step for the perfect show is to only do the solos when the performers are feelin it. You've been on EVERY time I've seen you, you have that in you. Hub doesn't always, Kirk does sometimes, as a guitarrist its easy to fall into the gimmicks and the taps but he nails em, and the Dylan song is such a great outlet for a furious rip.

Kamal's solos never impress. They end in banging, the keytar was hilarious, but slightly sad, I'm being a snob but I think i have every right to be. He should work on his chops or stop blowing for a while cause I really detracts from the show for some of us. you might not care, but I wanted you to know.

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28. "RE: I Think You're Ignoring all the Positives..."
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i disagree. i've only been to five roots shows, but the solos are always a high point for me. the last time i caught them was in amsterdam for two nights last year, and every member of the roots blew the crowd away both nights. it's part of the show, and i love it.

  

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47. "RE: I Think You're Ignoring all the Positives..."
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>Kamal's solos never impress. They end in banging, the keytar
>was hilarious, but slightly sad, I'm being a snob but I think
>i have every right to be. He should work on his chops or stop
>blowing for a while cause I really detracts from the show for
>some of us. you might not care, but I wanted you to know.

Blasphemy, worthy of a beheading..

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49. "RE: I Think You're Ignoring all the Positives..."
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come down from the clouds, you can approach the show as a fan looking for entertainment or as a fan looking for musical gratification

for the most part of the show both are satisfied hugely, but Kamal's solo and occasionally hub's i think is suspect of heavy flaws in the musical category

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71. "nah he's not lying, Kamal sucks a little on the solo tip"
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And I am the biggest roots fan in the world.

  

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75. "as a Roots fan that routinely brings Roots novices to shows"
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I have to say that the solos can be very wearing, depending on the length of that particular show.

Perhaps a shortening and sweetening may be in order.

  

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29. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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man, i wish you had the horns when you were touring europe.

But "wonky exhibition by its bassist"? I wonder what he considers to be a brilliant "exhibition by its bassist"???

Nevertheless, I liked the "fillers" on the tour, but still I remember that some people in the crowd thought they'd be too long. Not everybody enjoys solo performences, but that's obviously not the band's fault.

  

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42. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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>man, i wish you had the horns when you were touring europe.
>
>But "wonky exhibition by its bassist"? I wonder what he
>considers to be a brilliant "exhibition by its bassist"???
>
that's the point. You don't need a solo exhibition from the bass player. People don't pay to see that just like they don't pay to see o-lineman play in a football game, even though both are integral to what the band/team does.

>Nevertheless, I liked the "fillers" on the tour, but still I
>remember that some people in the crowd thought they'd be too
>long. Not everybody enjoys solo performences, but that's
>obviously not the band's fault.

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48. "Not True At All..."
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Actually, a lot of people do go to, not only, see the whole band, but also to hear a lot of the solo pieces that you will never get on an album. I go to Roots shows not only because I love the whole group and want to see them live. But, also, because I'm a bass player who hugely admires what the Hub does with the instrument, and it is amazing to see him cut loose on stage. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. I know plenty of other people who say the same thing. I am constantly meeting new bass players/Roots fans that try to catch every show they can, because they want to see what The Hub is gonna do. I've taken people with me before who don't even like Hip-Hop, but walk away Roots fans. And, usually they site the solos and the entire jam band atmosphere as what hooked them (a lot of times those same people will drop whatever they are doing to go to a show with me, but if I put in an album they don't want to here it). If I just wanted to hear songs back to back, I would just put in the album. But, I don't, I go to Roots shows to hear something a little different, and to watch while they showcase what they can do as musicians. This is why a lot of rock acts like TOOL have such popular live shows. They will just sit there for long periods screwing with their instruments and effects, and people love it. It gives something that the fans could never had heard if they didn't go to the show. I mean, whatever, to each his own I guess. But, personally, if they didn't do the solo sets, I'm not sure I would go so far out of my way to catch every show I can.


And, as far as this:

>People don't pay to see that just like they don't
>pay to see o-lineman play in a football game, even though both
>are integral to what the band/team does.

Les Claypool tours on a regular basis (He actually had OK Artists, The Coup, open for him a while back when he played where I live). So, I guess people do pay to go see what you called the musical equivalent of an O-lineman.

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70. "blah blah blah, that rant was more boring then a 15 minute bass solo"
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>Actually, a lot of people do go to, not only, see the whole
>band, but also to hear a lot of the solo pieces that you will
>never get on an album. I go to Roots shows not only because I
>love the whole group and want to see them live. But, also,
>because I'm a bass player who hugely admires what the Hub does
>with the instrument, and it is amazing to see him cut loose on
>stage. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. I know
>plenty of other people who say the same thing. I am constantly
>meeting new bass players/Roots fans that try to catch every
>show they can, because they want to see what The Hub is gonna
>do. I've taken people with me before who don't even like
>Hip-Hop, but walk away Roots fans. And, usually they site the
>solos and the entire jam band atmosphere as what hooked them
>(a lot of times those same people will drop whatever they are
>doing to go to a show with me, but if I put in an album they
>don't want to here it). If I just wanted to hear songs back to
>back, I would just put in the album. But, I don't, I go to
>Roots shows to hear something a little different, and to watch
>while they showcase what they can do as musicians. This is why
>a lot of rock acts like TOOL have such popular live shows.
>They will just sit there for long periods screwing with their
>instruments and effects, and people love it. It gives
>something that the fans could never had heard if they didn't
>go to the show. I mean, whatever, to each his own I guess.
>But, personally, if they didn't do the solo sets, I'm not sure
>I would go so far out of my way to catch every show I can.
>
>
>And, as far as this:
>
>>People don't pay to see that just like they don't
>>pay to see o-lineman play in a football game, even though
>both
>>are integral to what the band/team does.
>
>Les Claypool tours on a regular basis (He actually had OK
>Artists, The Coup, open for him a while back when he played
>where I live). So, I guess people do pay to go see what you
>called the musical equivalent of an O-lineman.

Les Claypool actually writes songs, sings (albeit in that strange non-singing voice), etc.

Please do not compare what he does to what Leonard Hubbard does. Leonard helps to hold down the rhythm aspect of a full band that plays hip-hop music.

Les Claypool has been the bandleader and focal point of most bands he's been a part of for nearly twenty years.

I'm not saying one is better than the other but their roles are completely different and the only real comparison is that they play the same instrument.

And when I've seen Les Claypool, he doesn't stand and play a bass solo for ten minutes with no other accompaniment. Shit is not entertaining.

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72. "you crazy, bass solo is one of the highlights of the show..."
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30. "the fuck do they know anywayz?"
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fuck em.

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33. "Sounds like they're nitpicking y'all"
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Picking on the solos (Kirk got the worst of it), and Lupe's sound system.



  

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34. "LOL stop being so Wonky"
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what does that even mean??? lol

  

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66. "that was my favorite part....WONKY"
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onomatopoeia at it's finest

  

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37. "I'll see you on 4-16-2007"
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Sharp as a fucking knife.....

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39. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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was this guy even there? the audience loved the "wonky" solos by Hub and Kamal, and the whole show was the best concert I've been to, Roots or otherwise.
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50. "also"
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when most concerts are like 1.5 hours at most, the Roots could stop there if they had nothing more to play, so the whole concept of "fillers" is bs. anyone who doesn't care for the solos can take a break, come back and still have seen a full concert by most other bands standards.
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41. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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like someone said before "to each his own." That link of the picture of the actor was a childish pop-shot.

I guess you guys can delight in the fact that the Times is filled with so much front page BS that bout time the reader gets to that section, they'll throw it away.

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43. "i was surpriseed they didn't hate on the fro, or the cammo drums"
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that critic was nitpickng at things that people enjoy.

i went to my first roots concert last month and it was the best live show i have ever been to.

and i know quest is mad cuz he pretty much ran down the whole setlist

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44. "FUCK THAT SHIT"
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they dont know what the fuck music is apparently.

maybe if that dude learned the bass he wouldnt be tripping on hub.

Fuck an NY, yall writers are suckers LOL

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45. "He is an idiot."
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This guy doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He called Hub's piece a "wonky exhibition". I'm sorry, but, Hub has been praised in many music/bass magazines for what he does in the live shows. I didn't see this show, but I've seen The Roots perform in the past. And, I've never seen The Hub ever do something that could be described as "wonky". What the Hub does on his instrument (and this is coming from a bass player) is fucking geneous. This critic is probably just one of those people that goes to a show wanting to hear all the singles and a few album tracks, all exactly how they were recorded. And, if the band ever starts to jam or basically get creative he gets pissed off and accuses them of using filler.

Just because he gets to go too all the shows, and some dumb ass company pays him to write about it. Doesn't mean he actually knows anything about or really understands music and Hip-Hop.

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58. "CO-SIGN"
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60. "RE: He is an idiot."
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And, I've never seen The Hub ever
>do something that could be described as "wonky".

nor have i ever seen a wonky solo from The cap'n kirk

or The kamal

lol, i hear you though

  

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51. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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Extra critical cats that don't even know the group's growth or direction at this point....don't even sweat it ?uest...

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53. "RE: Ummmm"
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54. "just not a great review"
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there wasn't anything particularly incisive or even interesting about it. this is pretty easy to dismiss, i think.

i do feel like the show (i was in baltimore) maybe overdoes the cover aspect a little too much. there's some golden moments (the JB tribute and Masters of War, for example) but I feel like Hip-Hop 101 could be pared down a little bit.

Hub's solo was pretty entertaining, though. And who the fuck uses the word "wonky" to describe something?

I really feel like the show is the peak of what the Roots can do--personally, I think the Roots are in their prime right now, which at 12+ years as a band is pretty impressive. I just wish I could have heard "Baby" live, though.

  

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55. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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WTF are they talking about? I practically had an orgasm during Kamal's keytar solo, that was the best thing EVER.

  

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69. "YES!!! This is what the hell I'm talking about!"
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Man, lissen, Kamal's solo should have had an advisory, I was going crazy, his sh*t is fiyah!


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56. "RE: i am utterly convinced we have upset them mofos at the Times"
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I love the show so much that I'm flying LA to Philly to see them @ Kimmel Center. I just wanna know who does a better hip-hop performance?? I'm not even saying who has the best live hip-hop BAND, which they obviously are, but ALL the hip-hop artists out there (dying breed) band or no band who really is better?

  

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57. "RELEASE THE HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUNDS!!!"
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59. "Is this when you look for the shower of praise"
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and dickriding?

  

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61. "i just wanna know"
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where all these solo supporters were when there was a post about kamal's joints being kinda yawn enducing..... mad folks had rakes in the air, then.

but the funny thing is that i was expecting the opposite from the ny times. most people could give a shit about the album cuts and just wanna see the BAND...get loose (to tell you the truth, i dont think much of the people out here like BT) but that writer threw a curve at me with the wonky shit. i dunno i think they have to have a quota of complaints to meet concerning hip hop shows, and this is all the fat that they could grab.

somebody give me a wOnKy next to my name....thats the new OCK

it must suck, cause the roots put WORK into NYC shows.
try setting your drums on fire while you play them....fire cant be wonky.

dont sweat it, man.... but i would like to know what hub thinks about it.

  

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62. "You said "we". House nigger."
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OkayPlayer isn't giving you anything, yet you play loyal slave to this site. Pathetic.

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64. "RE: You said "we". House nigger."
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wow. late pass someone

bless up y'all

  

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nicknice
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65. "RE: You said "we". House nigger."
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i speak for us all when i say..."I HATE YOU!"

Xbox Live gamertag: ILLPOOFLINGER

  

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newby
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67. "this is the same ock"
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who challenged ?uest with his lame ass beats
I feel stupid for even listening to it w/ all that porno moaning samples
do urself a favor and change your username and your attitude or even better leave

  

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shockzilla
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74. "kill yourself."
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Jru
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63. "he said "Wonky""
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nuff saaid

http://twitter.com/AyeDreezy

  

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spirit
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73. "can somebody swipe this sh!t? i'm not registering for a damn thing"
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wow. i still post on message boards. lol.

  

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