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110. "RE: continued"
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First of all you never responded to my other post. But hey I am a nice guy I still will respond to this one, even though you skipped my other aruguments.

>so 11 means 12 now like 1 means 3? i didnt do so well in
>math..only lvl 2 regents...so help a brovah out....

Response: No, that means that the apostles were refered to as the 12. That is another name for them.

>>itself (not worship..worship is more than prostrating...if
>that was the case..we muslims worship the black
>stone..intention is the elixr as the sufis say. murder vs
>self defence) man, as a command from who they
>worship.....and man worships allah (in theory) because allah
>also says in the quran:

Response: Well personally I think the whole black stone thing is kind of wierd, but hey thats just me. So I take it from this verse that man is higher on God's list than angels? That brings up another arguement then, (if you agree with this). Look at what Satan says:

" Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before there minds all their shame... He said ' Your Lord Only forbid you this tree, Lest you should become angels or such beings as live for ever. (sura 7:20-25)

Here's the problem. Why is Satan tempting man by promising him that he would be like angels or become immortal, when we already saw that man was created higher than angels, and why would man fear death when he was already pure and sinless?
>so did he or didnt he leave a sign (i know isa did, your
>hispanic jesus god dude to you maybe)....in acts which came
>after mark claim he did? who was right saul of tarsus, or
>mark?

Response: Actually its Peter talking not Paul. First of all Mark does not say that Jesus did not do miracles. Jesus did not do miracles for the unbeilevers from that time on. What Peter is referring to is the fact that Jesus did miracles period. (does not matter when). Those miracles that he did during his ministry pointed to him being the messiah.

>dont slide over the question....one says yes and the other
>no....this is the holy (pure) bible..

Response: You never read Mark within its context. Pharisees wanted him to do a miracle, Jesus declined. Thats all.

>>according to the scholors b4 us (ghazzali included)..tawaba
>(returning...turning around/repentence..like tawaf..the
>thing we do around the kaabaa) absolves any sin..if one was
>to die in a state of kufur (covering up/rejection...like
>kufs=socks..kufi="hat like thing") then shirk (polytheism)
>is unforgivable...allah gives us every second to change our
>ways and grants us alot of slack......see the context of the
>word forgiveth..meaning will not...allah is beyone time.


Response: Hold up. That is not what the passages says. It does not mention death nor does it mention a second chance. Where do the scholars get this from. Look at sura 4:116:

" God forgiveth not (the sin of) joining gods with Him; But he forgiveth whom he pleaseth other sins than this; one who joins other gods with God hath strayed far away."

Sorry Troll you are reading into the text here, you offer no intrepretation of the text itself.



....you, on the
>other hand have the freedom to do what you want...when you
>want in this world...only to have your prison in the
>next........

Response: Again, you are not dealing with the text.
>>>
>you left out a few of them....but thats ok...i dont like
>talking about this stuff much...and i do believe that this
>topic is being stretched...

Response: No, I responded to them all. They are up above look at " But the Quran says"


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Muslim woman speaks out. [View all] , ya Setshego, Mon Nov-11-02 09:05 AM
 
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political opportunist
Nov 11th 2002
1
convient way...
Nov 11th 2002
2
RE: convient way...
Nov 11th 2002
3
pathetic
Nov 11th 2002
4
RE: convient way...
Nov 11th 2002
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      RE: convient way...
Nov 11th 2002
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      RE: convient way...
Nov 11th 2002
7
      RE: convient way...
Nov 12th 2002
25
           thanks for proving my point n/m
Nov 12th 2002
26
      RE: convient way...
Nov 12th 2002
33
      Very Beautifully Put!!
Nov 13th 2002
50
      thank u for that
Nov 14th 2002
70
           RE: thank u for that
Nov 14th 2002
78
                point taken.
Nov 15th 2002
97
      a rare moment
Nov 14th 2002
68
           YEAH!
Nov 14th 2002
69
                oh come on
Nov 14th 2002
71
                     the last thing i'll say
Nov 14th 2002
74
      RE: convient way...
Nov 11th 2002
8
      RE: convient way...
Nov 11th 2002
9
           RE: convient way...
Nov 11th 2002
13
      Idiot...
Nov 11th 2002
15
           RE: Idiot...
Nov 11th 2002
18
           fucking CRAZY
Nov 12th 2002
19
                uh-uh
Nov 12th 2002
29
                ..............!
Nov 13th 2002
35
                Alright, calm down
Nov 12th 2002
31
                Pimp-slapping hoes is a horrible act...
Nov 12th 2002
34
so are you
Nov 11th 2002
17
There's a fine line between Islam and culture....
Nov 11th 2002
10
Exactly!
Nov 11th 2002
12
RE: Exactly!
Nov 12th 2002
32
at times, this is how i feel
Nov 14th 2002
72
RE: There's a fine line between Islam and culture....
Nov 11th 2002
14
RE: There's a fine line between Islam and culture....
Nov 11th 2002
16
on one hand
Nov 12th 2002
21
      Sad
Nov 12th 2002
22
           HEY!!
Nov 12th 2002
24
THIS MUSLIM WOMANS GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK UP
Nov 11th 2002
11
RE: THIS MUSLIM WOMANS GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK UP
Nov 12th 2002
28
      how old is this friend of yours
Nov 13th 2002
39
           she's 23
Nov 13th 2002
45
                she to damn old
Nov 13th 2002
47
islam grants secondary status to women
Nov 12th 2002
20
the more you look at it
Nov 12th 2002
23
RE: the more you look at it
Nov 12th 2002
27
how about this sura
Nov 13th 2002
36
      RE: how about this sura
Nov 13th 2002
44
           RE: how about this sura
Nov 13th 2002
46
                RE: how about this sura
Nov 13th 2002
49
                     you mean I only get to...
Nov 14th 2002
53
                          RE: you mean I only get to...
Nov 14th 2002
57
                          RE: you mean I only get to...
Nov 14th 2002
59
                               RE: you mean I only get to...
Nov 14th 2002
63
                                    RE: you mean I only get to...
Nov 14th 2002
66
                          like you have ground to stand on
Nov 14th 2002
73
                               show me scripture
Nov 14th 2002
77
                                    RE: show me scripture
Nov 14th 2002
80
                                    i can admit
Nov 15th 2002
94
                                         RE: i can admit
Nov 15th 2002
103
                                              oh come on now
Nov 16th 2002
109
                                                   RE: oh come on now
Nov 16th 2002
111
Makes you wonder?
Nov 12th 2002
30
      but baptist priest never said this
Nov 13th 2002
37
      Alright, now tell me...
Nov 13th 2002
40
           RE: Alright, now tell me...
Nov 13th 2002
41
                Response
Nov 13th 2002
51
                RE: Response
Nov 14th 2002
54
                     All I have to say is
Nov 14th 2002
67
                          and this is all you should say
Nov 14th 2002
79
                               RE: and this is all you should say
Nov 14th 2002
83
                                    RE: and this is all you should say
Nov 14th 2002
85
                                    RE: and this is all you should say
Nov 15th 2002
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                                         RE: and this is all you should say
Nov 15th 2002
87
                                              well consider this then
Nov 15th 2002
89
                RE: Alright, now tell me...
Nov 14th 2002
60
                RE: Alright, now tell me...
Nov 14th 2002
65
                     RE: Alright, now tell me...
Nov 14th 2002
76
                          RE: Alright, now tell me...
Nov 14th 2002
81
                               Well let the games begin!!!
Nov 17th 2002
115
                                    how do you want to do it
Nov 17th 2002
117
                                         RE: how do you want to do it
Nov 18th 2002
119
                                              couple more question
Nov 18th 2002
120
                                                   RE: couple more question
Nov 18th 2002
121
                and if u know all that
Nov 14th 2002
75
                     RE: and if u know all that
Nov 14th 2002
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                          I honestly think your the one that has the problem
Nov 14th 2002
84
                          not really
Nov 15th 2002
88
                          not my point.
Nov 15th 2002
95
                               RE: not my point.
Nov 15th 2002
104
                                    but you ADDED to that verse
Nov 16th 2002
108
                                         RE: but you ADDED to that verse
Nov 16th 2002
112
                                              RE: but you ADDED to that verse
Nov 16th 2002
113
      RE: Makes you wonder?
Nov 13th 2002
38
it's not just a "muslim" issue
Nov 13th 2002
42
ALL YALL TALK TO MUCH!!!
Nov 13th 2002
43
RE: ALL YALL TALK TO MUCH!!!
Nov 13th 2002
48
      You're evil
Nov 14th 2002
52
      ok I'll tone it down.
Nov 14th 2002
55
           RE: A SOMALI WOMEN EH....
Nov 14th 2002
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                actually I not tryin that hard
Nov 14th 2002
61
                     RE: actually I not tryin that hard
Nov 14th 2002
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      do i question your understanding
Nov 14th 2002
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           RE: do i question your understanding
Nov 14th 2002
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                RE: do i question your understanding
Nov 15th 2002
90
                     RE: dude's like this...
Nov 15th 2002
91
                          it's driven out of insecurity n/m
Nov 15th 2002
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                          RE: it's driven out of insecurity n/m
Nov 15th 2002
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                          are ya'll calling me insecure??
Nov 15th 2002
105
                          basically
Nov 15th 2002
96
                          ok rex...i didnt want to do this..
Nov 15th 2002
98
                               but what does the Quran say about
Nov 15th 2002
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                               why...?
Nov 15th 2002
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                               continued
Nov 15th 2002
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                                    ohh eff it u win...
Nov 15th 2002
106
                                    RE: continued
Nov 15th 2002
107
                                        
                                              RE: continued
Nov 16th 2002
114
                                                   hand shake
Nov 17th 2002
116
                                                        RE: hand shake
Nov 18th 2002
118
fuck her opponents! respect to a sister of resistance
Nov 15th 2002
99
Good point.
Nov 18th 2002
122

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