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AfricanHerbsman

Fri Aug-18-00 01:31 AM

  
28. "soulexperience, memorytime.."
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>Experience/sense data: What about that part of us that is not
>learned or experienced through the senses? Let me just throw this
>example out there: time. Can't see it, smell it, taste it, touch
>it, hear it. So it's not sensory. But we believe we experience it. How?

dunno if time's a good example.."can't see it, smell it, taste it, touch it, hear it" - I'm starting to fall into that camp that believes that we can't 'experience' time because it doesn't exist. like it's a relative, administrative thing that's gained significance, increased relevance. logical divisions of divisions between this point and that - like trying to experience something that's we apply and justify after the fact, like maths.

dunno, I feel like that's something that's learned - like, no disrespect to dove, but why do we feel it necessary to count our years down because the earth rotates that way? sometimes wonder if babies have a concept of time..or death even? or like digable planets said: we're all just babies. then again, even science/truth/reality is just enough people co-signing on the same thing (usually after opposition) - somebody can prolly shake it all up again any moment. so, no - I feel like time is what we make it and we experience 'within' it, like space.

I'd guess time/judgement's about linear accumulated experience up until that precise point that thought draws upon it and you want that milk and can have it but know you shouldn't..or perhaps it's just a primal, primitive thing, like how we apparently naturally physically reject anything from inside that appears outside the body..but then again, babies apparently aren't averse to handling shit or piss so maybe it's all concious/learned, recognise it or not - rotten milk is simply unpleasant.

>Memory: How do memories arise? It's true, sometimes out of the
>blue I'll remember something from years ago, and it's like repeating
>the experience all over again. Why did I think of it then? Is there
>a selection process for memories and emotions that takes place
>without our awareness?

not a clue about how memory arises..the human brain is some shit, subconcious specifically. we can speculate all we want but it denies definition because it isn't defined - or we aren't ready. like I say, everything outside ourselves is nonsensensical until we each make sense of it for ourselves. it's almost like you actually create what you see each time based on a bunch of stuff, generate the street, the corner, next street, YOUR entire world. perhaps we all 'see/create' a different world, maybe each time even.

when I say we aren't ready I feel like we've done almost too well with this world, we aren't hungry and we stalled at twenty percent brain use, lugging around the rest until...? not like it's just laying dormant - but then would we all be identical if we all hit 100%? anyway, I feel like that'll be a key to understanding our subconcious selves, connecting mind/spirit (body even - who knows maybe we can fly), understanding dreams, memory and such, even just the effects of music. irrational moods, unexplainable/persistent ill health, God, war, whatever.

then again, why DID you think of it then?..but instead of when? why not, it's as good a moment as any other if you discount time, dunno if minds are meant to be shoehorned into that linear frame - like we'd assume it to be non-reflective selection because we know that it isn't concious recall and don't really have a clue about the process so we apply logic to it. I don't really have a clue about any of this.

>Soul: Is this the non-conscious, pre-intellectual and perhaps
>non-self-reflective awareness that selects memories, selects
>what sensory input that we become aware of and that which we
>discard, and glues together the experiences that we have?

yeah, you might say that..it's the soul that deals with those intangibles that are affected by reality and have tangible effects. the emotional side that decides whether the incoming data is relevant enough to warrant storage for future use..but like you say, how does it know/decide - it's a riddle because is that how self/identity is built upon, like a computer that learns? or is self about wading through a bunch of data and some pieces will 'fit' - the pieces themselves determine identity.

but that's too random. and we'd have to start discussing intelligence..and the nature/nurture debate. collective thought/society. I guess the world isn't that big in the sense that, as we are now, we really can only focus our attention or eyes on a very small selected piece of space at any given moment. whilst you actually read these words everything outside your monitor, or the paragraph, sentence even, becomes pretty indistinct..so we're all about keeping it moving until the next frame.

thanks - good shit all, peace. I'm likely to be out until monday.
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seize your time! - marley/wailers

you can't take the wet out of water, if you could I know you would.. - marley/wailers

  

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What Are We? [View all] , janey, Tue Aug-15-00 08:51 AM
 
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RE: What Are We?
Aug 15th 2000
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i hate typos
Aug 15th 2000
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Damn straight
Aug 15th 2000
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Synthesis
Aug 15th 2000
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      pretty much
Aug 15th 2000
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           Okay
Aug 15th 2000
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                you missed...
Aug 15th 2000
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                     RE: you missed...
Aug 15th 2000
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                          well now see...
Aug 15th 2000
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                               Hmm
Aug 15th 2000
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                                    how 'bout this
Aug 15th 2000
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                                         RE: how 'bout this
Aug 17th 2000
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                                              i'll b back
Aug 19th 2000
38
                                                   U better
Aug 20th 2000
40
All we know is all we are.
Wise_7
Aug 15th 2000
3
Me neither
Aug 15th 2000
7
      RE: Me neither
Aug 15th 2000
14
           Not through yet
Aug 17th 2000
16
janey..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 16th 2000
15
More questions
Aug 17th 2000
17
Just wanna throw this out there
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
18
      RE: Just wanna throw this out there
Aug 17th 2000
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           RE: Just wanna throw this out there
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
20
                More on time
Aug 17th 2000
21
                     RE: More on time
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
23
                          quick definition
Aug 17th 2000
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                               RE: quick definition
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
25
                                    Good point
Aug 17th 2000
26
                                         The quantum physics thang...
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
27
sidetrack..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
41
      Primitive?
Aug 21st 2000
43
           you're peace, janey!
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
44
                paths
Aug 21st 2000
45
                     paths..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
46
                          side tracks
Aug 21st 2000
47
                               alright..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 22nd 2000
48
                                    RE: alright..
Aug 22nd 2000
49
                                         yeah..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 23rd 2000
56
Lots to
Aug 18th 2000
29
      I was watching
Aug 18th 2000
30
      If I understand
Aug 18th 2000
31
           That's not how I understand
Aug 18th 2000
32
                you and me both
Aug 18th 2000
33
      Stop me if I get too far "out there"...
Phraktal
Aug 18th 2000
34
           Never too far
Aug 20th 2000
39
RE: What Are We?
Aug 18th 2000
35
Just a quick word
Aug 18th 2000
36
      RE: Just a quick word
Aug 18th 2000
37
mind control...
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
42
That Kurt quote is completely wrong!!!
Aug 22nd 2000
50
Any thoughts welcome
Aug 22nd 2000
51
      RE: Any thoughts welcome
Aug 22nd 2000
52
           Makes sense
Aug 22nd 2000
53
                P.S.
Aug 22nd 2000
54
more ramblings..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 23rd 2000
55
RE: even more ramblings..
Aug 23rd 2000
57
My Skinnerian opinion...
Aug 23rd 2000
58
murph..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 24th 2000
59
      a few more questions for murph
Aug 24th 2000
61
      RE: a few more questions for murph
Aug 24th 2000
64
           Wow oh wow
Aug 25th 2000
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                RE: Wow oh wow
Aug 25th 2000
66
                     Hmmm,
Aug 26th 2000
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                          RE: Hmmm,
Aug 28th 2000
69
                               A few more thoughts
Aug 30th 2000
71
                                    Thanks.
Aug 30th 2000
73
      RE: murph..
Aug 24th 2000
63
we as...
NiaRa
Aug 24th 2000
60
RE: we as...
Aug 24th 2000
62
By the way, y'all
Aug 26th 2000
68
one mo' gin..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 30th 2000
70
RE: one mo' gin..
Aug 30th 2000
72
      one mo' gin..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 31st 2000
74
           A couple points for consideration..
Aug 31st 2000
75
                word?
AfricanHerbsman
Sep 01st 2000
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