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janey
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49. "RE: alright.."
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I think that's right. I never thought of it like that, but I think you're really onto something. I'm trying to think of a kind of anger that arises out of something other than expectations not being met...and ultimately, I don't think I can.

So if we let go of expectations, our anger should decrease. Or, if our expectations/goals are useful and we don't want to abandon them, then when the expectations aren't met then perhaps we recognize where the anger is coming from, decide whether it's helpful, and if it isn't, recognize that it's just another mind construct that we can choose to identify with or choose to just notice.

Buddha said that being angry with someone is like picking up a red hot burning iron ball with the intention of throwing it at another. It burns us as much as it does the person we're directing it at. And if we were to recognize the harm that the anger is doing to us, we would drop it as naturally and as quickly as we would drop that red hot iron ball.

So circling back to the original question and also your post below on mind states, What am I? Am I my anger? For me, at least, the answer is no, because the anger is a mind construct that rises and passes away with the correct conditions. If the conditions exist for anger to arise (my expectations), it will arise. If the conditions exist for the anger to fall away (my recognition of it as an impermanent state of mind and not something with substance), it falls away. I have this idea that what I'm looking for when I'm trying to point to my "self" is something that is more permanent than that mind state or the mind states created by thoughts.

Also, because I can see my emotions as separate from my "self" and because, like thoughts, they arise and pass away without my will or conscious control, I am not my emotions.

But I think that we can pattern the mind. I think that there's a lot of value in practicing those mind states that are skillful. Like, when I make a mistake, if I say to myself, "Oh, janey, you're so stupid!" that reinforces the idea that I'm a bad person and I'm stupid, and that allows for more mistakes and more bad feelings about myself. If instead I say to myself, "Oh, janey, you made a mistake -- how unlike you!" that reinforces the idea that I'm a worthy person who doesn't make mistakes. This is not to say that we don't all make mistakes. Just that I think we can create conditions that expect mistakes and so create them, or expect good works and so creates that.


Peace.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

  

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What Are We? [View all] , janey, Tue Aug-15-00 08:51 AM
 
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RE: What Are We?
Aug 15th 2000
1
i hate typos
Aug 15th 2000
2
Damn straight
Aug 15th 2000
5
Synthesis
Aug 15th 2000
4
      pretty much
Aug 15th 2000
6
           Okay
Aug 15th 2000
8
                you missed...
Aug 15th 2000
9
                     RE: you missed...
Aug 15th 2000
10
                          well now see...
Aug 15th 2000
11
                               Hmm
Aug 15th 2000
12
                                    how 'bout this
Aug 15th 2000
13
                                         RE: how 'bout this
Aug 17th 2000
22
                                              i'll b back
Aug 19th 2000
38
                                                   U better
Aug 20th 2000
40
All we know is all we are.
Wise_7
Aug 15th 2000
3
Me neither
Aug 15th 2000
7
      RE: Me neither
Aug 15th 2000
14
           Not through yet
Aug 17th 2000
16
janey..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 16th 2000
15
More questions
Aug 17th 2000
17
Just wanna throw this out there
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
18
      RE: Just wanna throw this out there
Aug 17th 2000
19
           RE: Just wanna throw this out there
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
20
                More on time
Aug 17th 2000
21
                     RE: More on time
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
23
                          quick definition
Aug 17th 2000
24
                               RE: quick definition
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
25
                                    Good point
Aug 17th 2000
26
                                         The quantum physics thang...
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
27
sidetrack..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
41
      Primitive?
Aug 21st 2000
43
           you're peace, janey!
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
44
                paths
Aug 21st 2000
45
                     paths..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
46
                          side tracks
Aug 21st 2000
47
                               alright..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 22nd 2000
48
                                   
                                         yeah..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 23rd 2000
56
soulexperience, memorytime..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 18th 2000
28
Lots to
Aug 18th 2000
29
      I was watching
Aug 18th 2000
30
      If I understand
Aug 18th 2000
31
           That's not how I understand
Aug 18th 2000
32
                you and me both
Aug 18th 2000
33
      Stop me if I get too far "out there"...
Phraktal
Aug 18th 2000
34
           Never too far
Aug 20th 2000
39
RE: What Are We?
Aug 18th 2000
35
Just a quick word
Aug 18th 2000
36
      RE: Just a quick word
Aug 18th 2000
37
mind control...
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
42
That Kurt quote is completely wrong!!!
Aug 22nd 2000
50
Any thoughts welcome
Aug 22nd 2000
51
      RE: Any thoughts welcome
Aug 22nd 2000
52
           Makes sense
Aug 22nd 2000
53
                P.S.
Aug 22nd 2000
54
more ramblings..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 23rd 2000
55
RE: even more ramblings..
Aug 23rd 2000
57
My Skinnerian opinion...
Aug 23rd 2000
58
murph..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 24th 2000
59
      a few more questions for murph
Aug 24th 2000
61
      RE: a few more questions for murph
Aug 24th 2000
64
           Wow oh wow
Aug 25th 2000
65
                RE: Wow oh wow
Aug 25th 2000
66
                     Hmmm,
Aug 26th 2000
67
                          RE: Hmmm,
Aug 28th 2000
69
                               A few more thoughts
Aug 30th 2000
71
                                    Thanks.
Aug 30th 2000
73
      RE: murph..
Aug 24th 2000
63
we as...
NiaRa
Aug 24th 2000
60
RE: we as...
Aug 24th 2000
62
By the way, y'all
Aug 26th 2000
68
one mo' gin..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 30th 2000
70
RE: one mo' gin..
Aug 30th 2000
72
      one mo' gin..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 31st 2000
74
           A couple points for consideration..
Aug 31st 2000
75
                word?
AfricanHerbsman
Sep 01st 2000
76

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