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I think that time is a construct by which we make sense of the world, but which does not exist as we know it outside of our minds.

And I also think that thoughts arise without our conscious will or control. Some examples of this are:

I try to remember a fact, like someone's name or something, but it escapes me. If I had control over my thoughts and memory, I should be able to retrieve them at will.

I try and try, and still can't remember it. I give up the search through my memory, and just let it go. A few days later, while falling asleep, or while walking down the street, it comes to me. Not while I was consciously trying to remember, but just seemingly on its own. Does that sound familiar?

The same thing works with "new" ideas. I'm puzzling over something, I can't quite figure it out. This could be the answer to a clue in a crossword puzzle, or a new theory to explain the way the world works. While I'm working at it, I have no insight. But, days later, again as I'm about to fall asleep, or having a conversation with friends about a different topic, an insight appears. Just presents itself. Not a product of the rational mind. Einstein said something to the effect of "My understanding of the nature of the universe did not arise from my rational mind."

Another example: have you ever meditated? I'm thinking of the kind of meditation in which you try to still your mind by focusing on one thing, which can be your breath, or a prayer, or a chant. Just one light focus. Those thoughts keep coming in, coming in, and it's easy to get caught up in them, but when you notice that you're no longer watching your breath, or that you can't remember where you are in your prayer, the thought falls away and you go back to what you were doing.

I think that the mind is not under my control, and Phraktal's piece out of The Dreaming Universe seems to agree with that -- there are thoughts that arise because of the connection of neurons in the brain, and thoughts that arise because of the collective unconscious, but they just sort of happen. If I am my thoughts, or if I owned my mind -- like if I could exert my will on my mind, then I should just be able to say "Okay, thinking mind, turn off for a while now," and get really quiet. But there's always a lot of noise in the mind.

Listen to me, taking apart thinking while saying "I think, I think." Weird.

So before I go on, let me go back and re-read your post again, so I don't get too far off the mark.

Peace.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

  

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What Are We? [View all] , janey, Tue Aug-15-00 08:51 AM
 
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RE: What Are We?
Aug 15th 2000
1
i hate typos
Aug 15th 2000
2
Damn straight
Aug 15th 2000
5
Synthesis
Aug 15th 2000
4
      pretty much
Aug 15th 2000
6
           Okay
Aug 15th 2000
8
                you missed...
Aug 15th 2000
9
                     RE: you missed...
Aug 15th 2000
10
                          well now see...
Aug 15th 2000
11
                               Hmm
Aug 15th 2000
12
                                    how 'bout this
Aug 15th 2000
13
                                         RE: how 'bout this
Aug 17th 2000
22
                                              i'll b back
Aug 19th 2000
38
                                                   U better
Aug 20th 2000
40
All we know is all we are.
Wise_7
Aug 15th 2000
3
Me neither
Aug 15th 2000
7
      RE: Me neither
Aug 15th 2000
14
           Not through yet
Aug 17th 2000
16
janey..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 16th 2000
15
More questions
Aug 17th 2000
17
Just wanna throw this out there
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
18
      RE: Just wanna throw this out there
Aug 17th 2000
19
           RE: Just wanna throw this out there
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
20
                More on time
Aug 17th 2000
21
                     RE: More on time
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
23
                          quick definition
Aug 17th 2000
24
                               RE: quick definition
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
25
                                    Good point
Aug 17th 2000
26
                                         The quantum physics thang...
Phraktal
Aug 17th 2000
27
sidetrack..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
41
      Primitive?
Aug 21st 2000
43
           you're peace, janey!
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
44
                paths
Aug 21st 2000
45
                     paths..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
46
                          side tracks
Aug 21st 2000
47
                               alright..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 22nd 2000
48
                                    RE: alright..
Aug 22nd 2000
49
                                         yeah..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 23rd 2000
56
soulexperience, memorytime..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 18th 2000
28
      I was watching
Aug 18th 2000
30
      If I understand
Aug 18th 2000
31
           That's not how I understand
Aug 18th 2000
32
                you and me both
Aug 18th 2000
33
      Stop me if I get too far "out there"...
Phraktal
Aug 18th 2000
34
           Never too far
Aug 20th 2000
39
RE: What Are We?
Aug 18th 2000
35
Just a quick word
Aug 18th 2000
36
      RE: Just a quick word
Aug 18th 2000
37
mind control...
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 21st 2000
42
That Kurt quote is completely wrong!!!
Aug 22nd 2000
50
Any thoughts welcome
Aug 22nd 2000
51
      RE: Any thoughts welcome
Aug 22nd 2000
52
           Makes sense
Aug 22nd 2000
53
                P.S.
Aug 22nd 2000
54
more ramblings..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 23rd 2000
55
RE: even more ramblings..
Aug 23rd 2000
57
My Skinnerian opinion...
Aug 23rd 2000
58
murph..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 24th 2000
59
      a few more questions for murph
Aug 24th 2000
61
      RE: a few more questions for murph
Aug 24th 2000
64
           Wow oh wow
Aug 25th 2000
65
                RE: Wow oh wow
Aug 25th 2000
66
                     Hmmm,
Aug 26th 2000
67
                          RE: Hmmm,
Aug 28th 2000
69
                               A few more thoughts
Aug 30th 2000
71
                                    Thanks.
Aug 30th 2000
73
      RE: murph..
Aug 24th 2000
63
we as...
NiaRa
Aug 24th 2000
60
RE: we as...
Aug 24th 2000
62
By the way, y'all
Aug 26th 2000
68
one mo' gin..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 30th 2000
70
RE: one mo' gin..
Aug 30th 2000
72
      one mo' gin..
AfricanHerbsman
Aug 31st 2000
74
           A couple points for consideration..
Aug 31st 2000
75
                word?
AfricanHerbsman
Sep 01st 2000
76

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