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"Poll question: Who do you want to win the Dem nomination? (initial poll)"


  

          

its really early and not everyone has announced they're running. with that said, right now who would be your pick to win the nomination. not who you think has the best chance of winning vs trump or who is most likely to win the nomination. who are you most likely to vote for if the election was tonight.

im going with the list from the hill

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/430461-the-10-dems-most-likely-to-win-the-2020-presidential-nomination

we can do another poll in a few months when things get more solid.

Poll result (87 votes)
Kamala Harris (16 votes)Vote
Joe Biden (4 votes)Vote
Bernie Sanders (35 votes)Vote
Beto O'Rourke (11 votes)Vote
Elizabeth Warren (13 votes)Vote
Other (post below) (8 votes)Vote

  

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
I like Warren's policies the best so far
Feb 19th 2019
1
what about her foreign policy do you like?
Feb 19th 2019
5
      Getting out of Afghanistan/ending support for the Saudi campaign
Feb 19th 2019
9
           She's not particularly insightful on foreign policy
Feb 19th 2019
11
                I would like more of a focus on foreign policy in the Dem party
Feb 19th 2019
15
                The convention spent most of two days on bullshit militarism.
Feb 19th 2019
42
                agreed - and I think it's a vastly underrated facet of 2020.
Feb 20th 2019
57
                It's got to be our least democratic political arena
Feb 19th 2019
21
                     you know it's bad when Tucker Carlson is bodying the left
Feb 20th 2019
58
                          No history, no future
Feb 21st 2019
112
Ranked: 1.Bernie, 2.Warren, 3.Kamala, 4.Beto, 5.Biden
Feb 19th 2019
2
My Ranking: 1.Beto, 2.Bernie, 3.Warren, 4.Kamala
Feb 19th 2019
6
Same. I might switch Beto and Kamala, but they neck and neck.
Feb 19th 2019
10
Bernie/Tulsi ticket
Feb 19th 2019
3
*stands in this line*
Feb 21st 2019
128
Warren/O'Rourke
Feb 19th 2019
4
This Bernie announcement has me kinda shook
Feb 19th 2019
7
$1 million in under 4 hours
Feb 19th 2019
8
      up to $3 million and counting.
Feb 19th 2019
14
None in this poll
Feb 19th 2019
12
who then?
Feb 19th 2019
13
      need more time
Feb 19th 2019
19
i'm so over bernie but i'd probably go with him
Feb 19th 2019
16
no white people over 70
Feb 19th 2019
17
RE: no white people
Feb 19th 2019
44
dems never elect a president older than the preceding repub.
Feb 19th 2019
51
      So you’re off Biden now? For good?
Feb 20th 2019
53
      fam this is really getting annoying. i literally said the same thing
Feb 20th 2019
59
           not sure why it had to get personal, but lets go
Feb 20th 2019
86
                https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpz81S7usvTIM8w/giphy.gif
Feb 21st 2019
115
                like 90% of your criticism of me is that i dont show bernie enough love.
Feb 21st 2019
118
                     You are completely off man. Its crazy. This is about Biden mostly
Feb 22nd 2019
160
                          good brother take the rest of the weekend to cool off. you need it.
Feb 23rd 2019
161
                               Lol damn folks were right about you
Feb 23rd 2019
162
                                    He never did come back in the Beto post
Feb 23rd 2019
164
      That's such a weird statistic lol
Feb 20th 2019
95
Biden/Harris
Feb 19th 2019
18
vote for daddy bernie, bitch" - cardi b
Feb 19th 2019
20
A vote for Bernie = Trump
Feb 19th 2019
22
I am not pro Bernie but I don't understand this logic.
Feb 19th 2019
25
Only if you assumed someone less "moderate" would have won.
Feb 19th 2019
28
RE: Only if you assumed someone less "moderate" would have won.
Feb 19th 2019
45
i thought it was more that running Hillary was a mistake
Feb 19th 2019
31
Ralph Nader 2000 I think is the thought
Feb 19th 2019
35
      no matter what someone thinks of Bernie
Feb 20th 2019
93
           Yeah, him actually running an independent campaign
Feb 20th 2019
97
How is a vote for anyone in the Dem primary a vote for
Feb 19th 2019
30
      Because some nominees would guarantee Trump wins the general.
Feb 19th 2019
32
           Yes - like Hillary Clinton.
Feb 20th 2019
54
                serious question...why did bernie lose to her?
Feb 20th 2019
60
                     She had a huge head start and a lot of folks thought it was her time
Feb 20th 2019
61
                     Obama was a once-in-a-generation political talent
Feb 20th 2019
65
                     I have come around to the opinion that anybody but Hillary would have be...
Feb 21st 2019
116
                          i cant wait til we all realize this:
Feb 21st 2019
117
                          bernie was of the generation that knew you had to take it to the streets
Feb 21st 2019
120
                     RE: serious question...why did bernie lose to her?
Feb 21st 2019
129
Does anyone think the VP office should do or mean more?
Feb 19th 2019
23
not sure but it's less about policy and more about who can win
Feb 19th 2019
24
I'm waiting for the debate.
Feb 19th 2019
26
Tulsi and Klobuchar are my almost 100% nos right now
Feb 19th 2019
29
None of these are convincing general election candidates.
Feb 19th 2019
27
I agree with a lot of this actually
Feb 19th 2019
40
Andrew Yang
Feb 19th 2019
33
interesting
Feb 19th 2019
36
I don't know if he's ready for a serious run, but his ideas are interest...
Feb 19th 2019
38
      check out his Rogan podcast from last week
Feb 19th 2019
41
^^this is the guy I back.
Feb 19th 2019
37
love the attention he's bringing to UBI
Feb 20th 2019
55
dunno about president but I appreciate what he's doing
Feb 20th 2019
109
yeah, he's at least discussing and attempting to offer solutions
Feb 20th 2019
110
I like a lot about Yang. Would love him in a progressive cabinet.
Feb 21st 2019
130
RE: Andrew Yang <———- YEP
Mar 03rd 2019
166
im liking this guy more and more
Mar 11th 2019
265
^^^^^^^^^
Mar 15th 2019
339
Whoever brings a guillotine on stage
Feb 19th 2019
34
Bernard, motherfuckers.
Feb 19th 2019
39
I like Sherrod (after a thorough blackface check)
Feb 19th 2019
43
none of it matters if dems dont come up with a media strategy *asap*.
Feb 19th 2019
46
Pete Buttigieg wants to pack courts and eliminate the filibuster
Feb 19th 2019
47
A+ Ron Powlus callback.
Feb 19th 2019
49
he would have been a really good dnc chair.
Feb 19th 2019
52
he think da electoral college should go too
Feb 20th 2019
101
anyone but bernie sanders
Feb 19th 2019
48
mueller gonna lock him up too for conspiring with manafort & tad devine!
Feb 19th 2019
50
Why? It’s not like Trump will be free for 2020 right?
Feb 20th 2019
63
      LANDSLIDE
Feb 20th 2019
64
Bernie raised more money in a day than any candidate in history
Feb 20th 2019
56
I think the problem for Sanders is he's not running against Clitnon
Feb 20th 2019
92
      true - in 2016 it was a binary choice: Clinton or Sanders
Mar 07th 2019
220
Damn, Bernie still strong as shit.
Feb 20th 2019
62
We just don't need the "Bernie or bust" mentality again
Feb 20th 2019
66
80% of his supporters voted for Hillary.
Feb 20th 2019
77
It's *definitely* gonna be a problem.
Feb 20th 2019
67
What's the problem?
Feb 20th 2019
68
because of the intense line drawing.
Feb 20th 2019
69
^
Feb 20th 2019
71
I don’t think any Bernie Stan ran to Trump
Feb 20th 2019
73
      Either way, the end result is the same.
Feb 20th 2019
75
      12% of bernie sanders supporters in 2016 dem primary voted for trump:
Feb 20th 2019
102
           how many of those 12% were unaffiliated or independents
Mar 04th 2019
172
                I didn't vote for Hillary either
Mar 09th 2019
252
Problem for the newbies like KH, Warren, etc
Feb 20th 2019
72
      ^^ this. I am legit surprised
Feb 20th 2019
89
           He's got name recognition second only to Biden
Feb 20th 2019
90
                RE: He's got name recognition second only to Biden
Feb 20th 2019
94
                     RE: He's got name recognition second only to Biden
Feb 20th 2019
96
He's the best candidate by a mile.
Feb 20th 2019
70
This is probably true too
Feb 20th 2019
74
      We have no way to deal with senile presidents
Feb 20th 2019
76
           LOL. Y'all being real silly today.
Feb 20th 2019
78
           exactly, that's the problem...
Feb 20th 2019
80
           Oh, well if other countries are cool with senile leaders . . .
Feb 20th 2019
82
           That’s the problem.
Feb 20th 2019
84
                lol dude really thought he dropped the big joker.
Feb 20th 2019
88
           right, just like there's a minimum age there should be a maximum
Feb 20th 2019
79
I truly don't understand why
Feb 20th 2019
81
Surprising on this site after his white working class pandoring tour
Feb 20th 2019
83
      This site isn’t super Black or poor
Feb 20th 2019
85
      yup. Sanders economic message resonates with a LOT of folks
Feb 20th 2019
104
      I wonder if his new campaign manager will work on that
Feb 20th 2019
91
We need someone young and vibrant to counter the old crazy man
Feb 20th 2019
87
Bernie looks like he got dandruff flakes on his blazer collar.
Feb 20th 2019
98
bwahahahahahahaha
Feb 20th 2019
103
After Trump he’d look just fine
Feb 20th 2019
106
      I think he's done this on more than a few occasions
Feb 20th 2019
108
he'd win handsdown with some updated glasses
Feb 26th 2019
165
The candidate isn'tgoing to be anyone who hasn't already declared,
Feb 20th 2019
99
Bernie will get eaten alive by Trump.
Feb 20th 2019
100
nah. Sanders will embarrass him in a debate
Feb 20th 2019
105
t.rump Doesn't Debate, He Just Clowns People & Call Them Names
Feb 20th 2019
107
But.That.Shit.Works.
Feb 21st 2019
119
      Yup. Hillary Hillary annihalated Trump in the debates
Feb 21st 2019
121
           The Debates didn't hurt her. She had zingers.
Feb 21st 2019
122
                true. its more that the debates didn't matter
Feb 21st 2019
123
In jokes? Maybe... but not on policy
Feb 21st 2019
113
      In getting votes.
Feb 21st 2019
114
I'm thiinking gotta be Bernie this time around
Feb 20th 2019
111
Tulsi Gabbard
Feb 21st 2019
124
20 Reasons Bernie Sanders Is The One To Beat Trump (*Backed By Data)
Feb 21st 2019
125
FEEL THE BERN!!
Feb 21st 2019
126
yea he's clearly the candidate the people are behind.
Mar 04th 2019
167
I hope Dems learned something in 2020.
Feb 21st 2019
127
this is the real problem:
Feb 22nd 2019
133
Good points but where were these moderates
Feb 22nd 2019
135
      for what its worth crossover republicans handed the dems
Feb 22nd 2019
141
           RE: for what its worth crossover republicans handed the dems
Feb 22nd 2019
143
                very likely. republicans have had decades worth of hate for clinton.
Feb 22nd 2019
145
                     It's 1,000x more exaggerated on Twitter/online
Feb 22nd 2019
157
Warren
Feb 21st 2019
131
fam we have some legit idiots on our side:
Feb 22nd 2019
132
smh
Feb 22nd 2019
134
Meh. that could be a chess move.
Feb 22nd 2019
136
      crazy talk.
Feb 22nd 2019
137
      It's a chess move in the way that knocking over your own king
Feb 22nd 2019
138
           Lol
Feb 22nd 2019
144
           we never learn.
Feb 22nd 2019
146
btw howard schultz book came out less than a month ago
Feb 22nd 2019
139
i saw clips of his townhall
Feb 22nd 2019
140
      yeah im not even sure what the point of all of this was.
Feb 22nd 2019
142
Surprised Klobuchar isn't getting more burn from the moderate/centrist
Feb 22nd 2019
147
I’m wondering the same
Feb 22nd 2019
148
'never trump' republicans have all been propping her up a lot lately.
Feb 22nd 2019
149
Never been a fan of attacking the messenger
Feb 22nd 2019
150
      Why would a bunch of McCain/Romney voters support a Dem?
Feb 22nd 2019
153
           I missed the post where 'these people' suggest they are switching partie...
Feb 22nd 2019
154
                No I'm not
Feb 22nd 2019
155
                     RE: she could be a strong candidate
Feb 22nd 2019
158
                          She's not a tough boss, she's an abusive boss
Feb 22nd 2019
159
I've voted for her twice and think she's (mostly) a decent Senator
Feb 22nd 2019
151
Appreciate the insight
Feb 23rd 2019
163
some of those quotes from the NYT story today tho...
Feb 22nd 2019
152
      The maternity policy is insane
Feb 22nd 2019
156
Hickenlooper is running
Mar 04th 2019
168
I am not a Bernie Fan but this is soo stupid
Mar 04th 2019
169
Where did the Bernie is not for black folks narrative come from?
Mar 04th 2019
170
I mean, he tries to defend white racist voters. But they are voters.
Mar 04th 2019
171
RE: Where did the Bernie is not for black folks narrative come from?
Mar 04th 2019
176
RE: I am not a Bernie Fan but this is soo stupid
Mar 04th 2019
173
That's 1 of the dumbest tweets I've ever seen (which is saying something...
Mar 04th 2019
174
She could be telling a waiter to hurry up with her food in that photo
Mar 04th 2019
175
LMAO!
Mar 04th 2019
177
Definitely. And the replies too. Save the link
Mar 04th 2019
178
He's uncomfortable around people in general.
Mar 04th 2019
179
Is there anyone that would see this and be convinced
Mar 04th 2019
180
Am I missing something?
Mar 07th 2019
183
      Come on Adwhizz
Mar 07th 2019
191
           That's a pretty big reach based off looking at an image that
Mar 07th 2019
207
Sherrod not running
Mar 07th 2019
181
I have a feeling that means that Biden will... n/m
Mar 07th 2019
182
Oh, he's definitely running
Mar 07th 2019
185
Yes Biden is running
Mar 07th 2019
189
      I legit think Trump is winning in 2020 at this point
Mar 07th 2019
199
           Be patient mang. Too early.
Mar 07th 2019
202
           Obviously I hope you're right
Mar 07th 2019
218
                Yea my opinion is that there's *SO* much to "report"
Mar 07th 2019
223
           Oh no, now it's two people throwing in the towel
Mar 07th 2019
212
                nah I admit I go back and forth
Mar 07th 2019
216
Good
Mar 07th 2019
184
That's a damn good point. n/m
Mar 07th 2019
187
I'm lost...he would only have to give up his seat
Mar 07th 2019
198
      No, it's only if he won
Mar 07th 2019
200
           I get that point
Mar 07th 2019
219
Well shit.
Mar 07th 2019
186
      lol I mean, sure. Sherrod Brown was our only hope. We're doomed!
Mar 07th 2019
188
      Every current candidate has really serious flaws in the general election...
Mar 07th 2019
231
           not nearly as many flaws as Trump has coming into 2020
Mar 07th 2019
237
                I've never been anybody-or-bust.
Mar 07th 2019
241
                     RE: I've never been anybody-or-bust.
Mar 08th 2019
244
                          Lol, still as innumerate as ever, I see.
Mar 08th 2019
246
                               yea that's deep.
Mar 08th 2019
248
      hes usually at the bottom of every poll in the 1-2% range.
Mar 07th 2019
192
      polls aren't everything- especially this far out
Mar 07th 2019
197
      no doubt about poll numbers.
Mar 07th 2019
204
      I certainly didn't mean to imply I thought he was a lock.
Mar 07th 2019
230
      .
Mar 07th 2019
243
      yeah I'm disappointed
Mar 07th 2019
195
           he has domestic violence and restraining order stuff from the 80s.
Mar 07th 2019
196
                Hm, wasn't aware of that.
Mar 07th 2019
233
                     kinda an important detail
Mar 08th 2019
249
                          It really is.
Mar 08th 2019
251
                               You haven't relented an inch on how wrong you were in 2016
Mar 09th 2019
255
                                    LOL, you mean all the times I said Trump would probably win?
Mar 09th 2019
256
                                         snarky, but empty.
Mar 10th 2019
258
Damn somebody in the thread gave up already
Mar 07th 2019
190
I'm not throwing in any towels.
Mar 07th 2019
234
      trump is most likely to win
Mar 07th 2019
238
      Smh
Mar 10th 2019
260
           not accept it in defeat
Mar 11th 2019
274
      Ok
Mar 10th 2019
261
elizabeth warren is really bad at this.
Mar 07th 2019
193
Yep.
Mar 07th 2019
194
pretty much
Mar 07th 2019
206
      agree 100%
Mar 07th 2019
222
It's disheartening
Mar 07th 2019
201
serious question about bernies taxes.
Mar 07th 2019
203
I don't think it will be a big factor
Mar 07th 2019
205
yeah thats what i dont get.
Mar 07th 2019
209
Soon
Mar 07th 2019
210
'we have to do just a few more little things'. 'mechanical issues'.
Mar 07th 2019
214
This is one of those moments where you have to ask
Mar 07th 2019
215
why is there an interest in any candidates taxes?
Mar 07th 2019
225
Because every other candidate is willing to
Mar 07th 2019
227
naw, I think this is a fair criticism.
Mar 07th 2019
228
I thought he did release his tax return in the last campaign?
Mar 07th 2019
221
just the one cherrypicked year.
Mar 07th 2019
226
nobody gives a fuck
Mar 09th 2019
254
One thing I find trouble is the animosity towards other candidates.
Mar 07th 2019
208
It's cynical but it's our reality sadly.
Mar 07th 2019
211
The 2016 and 2008 primaries were really heated, too
Mar 07th 2019
213
And it did lasting damage and both contributed to the results of 2016.
Mar 07th 2019
224
Agreed. It's one thing to not prefer a particular candidate
Mar 07th 2019
217
Some Dems are legit turning into the Trump supporters their criticized
Mar 07th 2019
229
      I've seen so many #neverBernie
Mar 07th 2019
235
           what kills me about the #neverBernie crowd is
Mar 07th 2019
239
           I've never met a never-Bernie voter, but...
Mar 07th 2019
242
Stacey Abrams
Mar 07th 2019
232
Amy Schumer?
Mar 07th 2019
236
      RE: Amy Schumer?
Mar 07th 2019
240
           He's been a pretty ineffective leader in the Senate
Mar 08th 2019
245
                RE: He's been a pretty ineffective leader in the Senate
Mar 09th 2019
253
79-year old Sanders and 77-year old Biden (at time of election)
Mar 08th 2019
247
agree with your general point
Mar 08th 2019
250
damn i forgot all about this lol.
Mar 10th 2019
257
      according to stravinskian (and many other dems)
Mar 10th 2019
259
           Lol thanks for trying to be so clear about my position.
Mar 10th 2019
262
                Actually - you did say that, but glad you're relenting/retracting
Mar 10th 2019
263
                     More delusions and poor grasp of numbers.
Mar 10th 2019
264
                          epic, obtuse and Big Mad rant, my G. I just have one question:
Mar 11th 2019
272
                               Probably Nancy.
Mar 11th 2019
275
                                    lol still holding on desperately to the Pelosi/Schumer wing, I see.
Mar 11th 2019
276
                                    Lol, still think people who think like you politically matter, I see.
Mar 12th 2019
280
                                    dems basically won the midterms on obamacare.
Mar 12th 2019
287
                                    the pelosi/schumer wing flipped 40 house seats and 2 senate seats.
Mar 12th 2019
282
                                    you're crediting Pelosi and Schumer for the mid-term blue wave?
Mar 12th 2019
284
                                         out of those 42 flipped seats...only 1 ran on medicare for all.
Mar 12th 2019
286
                                              meh not running on M4A does not equal moderate
Mar 13th 2019
295
                                              Define "ran on"
Mar 13th 2019
297
                                                   If he said he'd be "open to it,"
Mar 13th 2019
302
                                    btw what is bernies signature congressional accomplishment?
Mar 12th 2019
285
                                         He has a long history of accomplishments
Mar 13th 2019
296
                                              Oh - and then just today:
Mar 13th 2019
300
                                    NAANNNNCCCYYYY?!?!??! (c) Soulja Boy
Mar 11th 2019
277
Make your "visiting Wisconsin" jokes now
Mar 11th 2019
266
pete buttigieg had a brilliant town hall last night.
Mar 11th 2019
267
I've been impressed by just about everything he's been saying
Mar 11th 2019
268
i started paying attention to him during the race for dnc chair.
Mar 11th 2019
269
His takedown of Pence was brilliant.
Mar 11th 2019
271
1000%
Mar 13th 2019
299
lol isnt his husband saying thats how you pronounce it?
Mar 18th 2019
418
      That's true
Mar 21st 2019
445
im really impressed by this guy
Mar 18th 2019
414
I am old enough to remember when we regarded Biden as a Gaffe Prone
Mar 11th 2019
270
im tryna figure out why da fact dat iowa likes biden so much fuckin matt...
Mar 11th 2019
273
Nigga that was 5 years ago.
Mar 12th 2019
279
joe biden is officially suck a dick status.
Mar 12th 2019
278
Just completely misreading the room
Mar 12th 2019
281
      it seems like thats all hes been doing.
Mar 12th 2019
283
           I mean...yeah. Writings been on the wall
Mar 12th 2019
288
           You really do hate the people you hate.
Mar 12th 2019
290
                Lol that’s fair
Mar 12th 2019
291
                RE: Lol that’s fair
Mar 13th 2019
303
                     It sounds like
Mar 14th 2019
309
                     he knows im not a biden fan but he keeps saying it anyway lol.
Mar 14th 2019
321
                          lol stop
Mar 14th 2019
324
                               you really just gonna groundhogs day this shit to death huh?
Mar 14th 2019
328
                                    lol you would rather spend all that time
Mar 15th 2019
354
                                         Maybe at this point you should take a couple minutes
Mar 15th 2019
360
                                              stadiq is like our version of the smarterchild aim chat bot lol.
Mar 15th 2019
380
                                              *biden (not bernie)
Mar 15th 2019
384
                                              speaking of people who are *touched*
Mar 15th 2019
382
                                                   I don't know you, thankfully.
Mar 15th 2019
391
                                                        I'm not really interested in speculating on your character
Mar 15th 2019
401
                                                             Wait so these aren't ideas or positions?
Mar 16th 2019
407
                                                                  RE: Wait so these aren't ideas or positions?
Apr 15th 2019
462
                The problem with all this is the image he has right now as
Mar 13th 2019
293
                Nate Silver: Polls do have some predictive value at this stage,
Mar 13th 2019
294
                Old white voters and people nostalgic for Obama
Mar 13th 2019
298
                     I said "core of the coalition," not "base."
Mar 13th 2019
301
           For the record, this is why I liked Sherrod so much.
Mar 12th 2019
289
                I agree here
Mar 12th 2019
292
Beto said he was Born to Run
Mar 13th 2019
304
who da fuk says some dumb shit like dat after losin his last election yo
Mar 14th 2019
305
Someone who knows Texas ain’t shit
Mar 14th 2019
306
LMAO
Mar 14th 2019
307
definitely a fumbled announcement
Mar 14th 2019
308
That dog does look sad
Mar 14th 2019
311
      That dog looks like he knows something we dont
Mar 14th 2019
317
I like Beto but that announcement was so dull i couldn't finish
Mar 14th 2019
310
He had enough time to get it right
Mar 14th 2019
312
cory booker winning the only primary that matters.
Mar 14th 2019
313
Wow, from Eric Andre to Luke Cage to Cory Booker?!?
Mar 14th 2019
314
Wait, did she and Mike Colter actually date in real life?
Mar 14th 2019
316
Crushing blow to Bernie's campaign
Mar 14th 2019
315
lol
Mar 14th 2019
326
Lmao. For some reason this seems scripted
Mar 14th 2019
318
      i would think rosario would have more integrity than to go with that
Mar 14th 2019
320
      I don’t know her.. just seems like we will never see them looking
Mar 14th 2019
330
           I guess they've been seen together over the last few months
Mar 15th 2019
344
      they're gonna stage one of those cringy MJ/LisaMarie kisses
Mar 14th 2019
322
the media is clearly gonna paint bernie as a rising socialist dictator.
Mar 14th 2019
319
I don’t think I care. I just want to get the ball rolling.
Mar 14th 2019
323
Beto has had months (years even) to produce a policy platform.
Mar 14th 2019
325
youre not wrong
Mar 14th 2019
327
and Bernie has had 3yrs
Mar 14th 2019
329
obama didnt list policies on his site for more than a month.
Mar 14th 2019
331
wow the Beto O'bama coronation is underway lol
Mar 14th 2019
332
      wait i thought kamala was the establishment coronation candidate lol.
Mar 14th 2019
334
      beto has definitely clearly voiced many items he stands for
Mar 15th 2019
348
           he has - and he often stands with republicans
Mar 15th 2019
359
nah, not feeling Carcetti 2020
Mar 14th 2019
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not to mention he flip flopped like a mfucka bout runnin to begin wit
Mar 14th 2019
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      LOL, speaking of Obama parallels.
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      you gotta link playa?
Mar 14th 2019
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           Ask and ye shall receive.
Mar 14th 2019
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                man pls i could see like a year n some before hilldawg did dat shit too
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                     When folks told me he wasn’t running
Mar 15th 2019
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      LOL I’m crying
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      the media apparently loves proms.
Mar 15th 2019
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           Beto, Biden, and Bernie
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           the media will cover all 3 differently too.
Mar 15th 2019
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           see its shit like this that is gonna make beto inescapable:
Mar 15th 2019
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Booker's dating Rosario Dawson?
Mar 15th 2019
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late pass
Mar 15th 2019
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At this point, it seems like the upper tier* candidates are
Mar 15th 2019
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Klobuchar is on that list as well.
Mar 15th 2019
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Is she polling well?
Mar 15th 2019
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      I haven't been paying much attention to the polls yet.
Mar 15th 2019
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biden is allegedly exploring a joint campaign with stacey abrams.
Mar 15th 2019
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      It'd be a brilliant move on his part.
Mar 15th 2019
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      up above I asked how much a VP candidate can really do
Mar 15th 2019
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      It's too early for Beto, too, though. He's not going to break out in
Mar 15th 2019
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      RE: It's too early for Beto, too, though. He's not going to break out in
Mar 15th 2019
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      Maybe Stacey's more of a realist than Beto is.
Mar 15th 2019
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           fair point but you misunderstood
Mar 15th 2019
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                alright, I can see that
Mar 15th 2019
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                     RE: arrighty, I can see that
Mar 15th 2019
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      It would be brilliant for Biden - but not so much for Abrams
Mar 15th 2019
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           the more that i think about it...the more i think it would be beneath he...
Mar 15th 2019
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                Yeah, it reminds me of Cruz picking Fiorna as his running mate
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                agreed - I don't see how it serves her to ride Biden's coattails
Mar 15th 2019
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                man i'd feel sorry for abrams if she finna be out there defendin his rac...
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      Yeah, that could be a field-clearing move.
Mar 15th 2019
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      RE: biden is allegedly exploring a joint campaign with stacey abrams.
Mar 18th 2019
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'bernie beating kamala 2:1 among black dem primary voters' lol
Mar 15th 2019
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so we're using photos to debunk polling data now? lol
Mar 15th 2019
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      'oh so we believing our own eyes now?'
Mar 15th 2019
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           you can turn on a game and watch a guy score 6 in 2 mins.
Mar 15th 2019
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                or you can not watch the game at all and just believe pre-game takes.
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                     let's move on here lol
Mar 15th 2019
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                          are you trying to convince me or yourself? lol.
Mar 15th 2019
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                               not at all. I'm just curious as to what the standard is now
Mar 15th 2019
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                                    not tryna be snarky but reality is the standard.
Mar 15th 2019
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                                         You have to look at context, here.
Mar 15th 2019
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                                              entirely possible.
Mar 15th 2019
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                                                   Yes - Bernie will have to make inroads in the south
Mar 16th 2019
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The rift in opinion here largely reflects disagreement on this:
Mar 15th 2019
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There was a thing in Buzzfeed a little bit ago talking to D voters in
Mar 15th 2019
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good read.
Mar 15th 2019
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This is stating the obvious, but it's all about turnout
Mar 15th 2019
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cant run a more centrist candiate than clinton, and she lost to a turnip
Mar 15th 2019
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beto is refusing to release his 24 hr fundraising numbers.
Mar 15th 2019
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RE: beto is refusing to release his 24 hr fundraising numbers.
Mar 15th 2019
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basically his announcement video on social media platforms
Mar 15th 2019
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      RE: basically his announcement video on social media platforms
Mar 15th 2019
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           ive only seen him debate once.
Mar 15th 2019
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this roll out is weird to me
Mar 15th 2019
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this is another thing:
Mar 15th 2019
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      right...and the most frustrating thing is
Mar 15th 2019
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      i actually had an idea like that here:
Mar 15th 2019
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           naw, Bernie is just unapologetically authentic.
Mar 15th 2019
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                the sanders wing of the party was called the warren wing 4 years ago.
Mar 15th 2019
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                     actually that's not true at all.
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      yes
Mar 18th 2019
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someone said he was really campaigning for VP
Mar 16th 2019
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      this looked like a possibility til you see the money hes bringing in lol...
Mar 18th 2019
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Yang, Tulsi, or Bernie...Warren close behind...but
Mar 16th 2019
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so beto raised $6.1 million in his first 24 hours.
Mar 18th 2019
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I will admit I did not think he could pull something like that off
Mar 18th 2019
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i thought he could at first then i thought he didnt.
Mar 18th 2019
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that surprised me
Mar 18th 2019
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im laughing at all of the 'i told you so' takes on twitter today.
Mar 18th 2019
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I thought his donors was one of his strongpoints
Mar 18th 2019
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damn...
Mar 18th 2019
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The Hell-No Caucus
Mar 18th 2019
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Gillibrand has been getting lost in everything, but she's
Mar 19th 2019
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which candidate(s) have yall donated to?
Mar 18th 2019
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My wife gave a little bit to Pete, I'll do likewise
Mar 18th 2019
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Whoa... it’s too early for all that.
Mar 18th 2019
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fundraising plays a big part in how the field narrows babybro.
Mar 18th 2019
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at this stage i think its important to show support for the lesser known
Mar 18th 2019
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Yep way too early
Mar 18th 2019
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      how do you think candidates run their campaign?
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           Off big money donors
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                bernie raised ~$6 mil in 24 hours with the avg donation around $27.
Mar 19th 2019
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                     Sanders, who has near-universal name recognition
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so far Tulsi and Bernie
Mar 19th 2019
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donna brazile joins fox news.
Mar 18th 2019
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doing a roundtable show w/Diamond and Silk? Fox would love that.
Mar 18th 2019
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biden: i know i get criticized by the new left.
Mar 18th 2019
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dat #bidensoprogressive hashtag tho! lol im cryin
Mar 18th 2019
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I'm going to be madder at Biden 2020 than I was at Hillary 2008
Mar 19th 2019
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mayor pete is my fav to listen to and would be most effective as pres im...
Mar 19th 2019
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yeah its very early but I'm afraid it will be down to
Mar 19th 2019
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      Yep it might be those three
Mar 19th 2019
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Yang has met the threshold to debate
Mar 19th 2019
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Warren crushed it last night
Mar 19th 2019
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Laura Ingraham: Dems are playing the radicalization Olympics
Mar 21st 2019
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update
Apr 12th 2019
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whoever here described Yang as a little too tech-bro was dead on
Apr 12th 2019
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I'm impressed by Mayor Pete. He's completely new to me
Apr 12th 2019
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pete sounds so genuine
Apr 12th 2019
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I could go a lot of ways depending on who drops out
Apr 12th 2019
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How many are there now? Like 28? smh
Apr 12th 2019
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its weird
Apr 12th 2019
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Cenk Uygur reminds me of a fox news personaltiy
Apr 12th 2019
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he reminds you of that, because that's exactly who he is
Apr 12th 2019
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i can guarantee you there was no bigger tyt/cenk fan on here than me.
Apr 12th 2019
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The big field just helps the frontrunners.
Apr 12th 2019
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      Or results in a contested convention. In which everyone's preferences
Apr 12th 2019
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      im surprised at how unfazed bidens numbers have been
Apr 12th 2019
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      I tried to told y’all
Apr 14th 2019
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           i feel you. i get the same criticism on here.
Apr 14th 2019
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      It's funny because I thought the Democrats wouldn't nominate another
Apr 15th 2019
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           bernie overtook biden in the latest poll
Apr 15th 2019
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           oddly enough black voters in the south overwhelmingly prefer biden.
Apr 15th 2019
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The field will thin out pretty quick. First debate/primaries will weed ...
Apr 12th 2019
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Trump got money...lots of it
Apr 15th 2019
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dem candidates raised 3x that amount combined.
Apr 15th 2019
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All that (one figure vs many) is beside the point.
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      its not beside the point. it is the point.
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           It just depends on what point you're trying to make
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                its really not that big of a deal.
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                But they aren’t competing against Trump yet
Apr 17th 2019
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how much is it from PACs??
Apr 15th 2019
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      Money really IS money, though.
Apr 15th 2019
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Bernie's the most popular, leads the polls and raises the most $
Apr 15th 2019
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he SLAYED that fox shit...
Apr 17th 2019
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      i saw pt 1 and it was great
Apr 17th 2019
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I'm convinced that Pete Buttigieg will be on the ticket
Apr 17th 2019
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RE: I'm convinced that Pete Buttigieg will be on the ticket
Apr 17th 2019
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Every single interview he's done just adds to my support
Apr 22nd 2019
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it seems all candidates are pledging to add diversity in the VP pick
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      I hope that doesn't throw the baby with the bath water
Apr 22nd 2019
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Liz Warren is quickly emerging as my early favorite.
Apr 22nd 2019
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yup! she's been kicking ass the past week!!!
Apr 22nd 2019
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policy and action wise shes up there with bernie
Apr 22nd 2019
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Had she been able to reduce college cost in her state?
Apr 22nd 2019
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      Well, nobody's gonna actually be able to DO what they promise.
Apr 22nd 2019
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      Haha.. true
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      Was she governor? seems like an executive action thing
Apr 24th 2019
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           yeah that's a strange bar to set for a US Senator
Apr 24th 2019
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Pete Buttigieg Fired South Bend's Black Police Chief. It Still Stings .....
Apr 22nd 2019
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It’s Indiana. Of course they said racist shit.
Apr 22nd 2019
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Mayor Pete is hiding behind the law
Apr 22nd 2019
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I've been liking him less the more he talks
Apr 22nd 2019
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Same.
Apr 22nd 2019
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this is sus but it hasn't turned me off completely
Apr 24th 2019
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he's also supported reparations plainly and publicly
May 20th 2019
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Biden's got an event on Wednesday in CHARLOTTESVILLE
Apr 22nd 2019
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RE: Biden's got an event on Wednesday in CHARLOTTESVILLE
Apr 22nd 2019
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Damn. I kinda hate Biden now.
Apr 23rd 2019
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      I honestly think a lot of people don't know Biden
Apr 23rd 2019
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           He definitely benefits from the Obama connection.
Apr 24th 2019
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dude's whole career outside of obama has been racist AF
Apr 22nd 2019
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The Charlottesville thing was cancelled, now I guess it's
Apr 24th 2019
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Which is why he has a real good shot to win
Apr 24th 2019
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him calling Obama 'clean' will forever check him in a box
Apr 24th 2019
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Warren*/Sanders 2020
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I thought it's been shown that there is no evidence that she ever took
Apr 24th 2019
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I'd love to see Warren in a cabinet position.
Apr 24th 2019
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And another one. Michael Bennet, Colorado senator
May 02nd 2019
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May as well delete this thread no joke.
May 02nd 2019
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not only that, but they want to work with him
May 02nd 2019
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      Pretty much all this. Plus the ACA dismantling.
May 02nd 2019
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      So much that participating in the process seems damned near pointless...
May 02nd 2019
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      For damn sure.
May 02nd 2019
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      Agreed. And his defense attorney
May 02nd 2019
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      This sounds like horrible strategy.
May 02nd 2019
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           Which differs from the ass-fucking we're currently experiencing ...
May 02nd 2019
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           right
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           Pelosi said impeachment is a "waste of time" unless you get ...
May 02nd 2019
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           When we ran an election on health care and Trump's lawlessness,
May 02nd 2019
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                The House was historic. Didn't win the Senate.
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           like I said the timing is awful imo
May 02nd 2019
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                Well see I don't think it's a charade, I think they're trying to put ...
May 02nd 2019
520
                Do you actually think there's anything Dem leaders could do...
May 02nd 2019
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                     Nope - have been consistent w/that.
May 02nd 2019
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                Your opinion seems highly dependent on the assumption...
May 02nd 2019
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                     missed this but
May 14th 2019
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I feel like I see some excitement for Warren bubbling up.
May 14th 2019
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This isn’t true at all. Plenty of dudes run and get zero traction
May 14th 2019
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I was specifically talking about the non-specific, ambiguous diss of
May 14th 2019
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Another Example of her being angry. Name another Candidate who has
May 14th 2019
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      yeah the Fox News thing shows she can
May 14th 2019
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she has impressed me a lot
May 14th 2019
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shes the grownup bernie lol.
May 14th 2019
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      agreed
May 14th 2019
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I've been warming up to Warren a lot lately.
May 14th 2019
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I find Corey Booker way more old school and Bernie way more old.
May 14th 2019
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      I like that, "Reverse Obama"
May 15th 2019
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She's my #1 at the moment
May 14th 2019
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Mine too
May 15th 2019
552
shes been on fire.
May 14th 2019
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I just hope my North East surroundings ain't got me fooled.
May 14th 2019
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      you know how that goes.
May 14th 2019
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I feel like she has what it takes to win. She's got the right strategy
May 14th 2019
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I like her a lot but it would be Drumf vs. HRC part 2 in the general
May 14th 2019
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The HRC comparisons are a bit lazy but I think her biggest optic liabili...
May 15th 2019
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      every dem woman is hrc.
May 15th 2019
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Yea E-Dubs is my #1.
May 14th 2019
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      She should do townhalls non-stop. She should challenge any Republican
May 15th 2019
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           She's excellent at town halls. She's kind of folksy on that platform
May 15th 2019
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It seems like each of the major candidates has to have a rough
May 15th 2019
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The media hates frontrunners and loves shiny new objects.
May 15th 2019
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channels like msnbc tried their hardest to push elizabeth warren
May 16th 2019
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it does take a good bit of retail political savvy to survive a media hit...
May 16th 2019
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      Warren handled that the best way she could, by dropping it
May 16th 2019
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id rather they form like Voltron
May 15th 2019
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pro-bernie outlets are going scorched earth on elizabeth warren.
May 16th 2019
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dats dumb cuz when biden announced only berndog numbers dropped
May 16th 2019
557
this
May 16th 2019
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Declared candidate #23. DeBlasio throws his hat into the gumbo
May 16th 2019
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Gonna be 30 candidates by the first debate
May 16th 2019
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Why is he doing this?
May 16th 2019
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He's bored and hates being mayor.
May 16th 2019
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      So go eat a slice from every pizzaria in NYC and blog about it
May 16th 2019
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So wait, he looked at the landscape and said to himself...
May 16th 2019
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jesus...question for those familiar with primary rules
May 16th 2019
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The GOP did this in 2016
May 16th 2019
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RE: The GOP did this in 2016
May 16th 2019
569
DNC Wildin' Out - bracketed freestyle battles instead of debates
May 16th 2019
567
      lolz
May 20th 2019
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Exactly who i thought of when Edmure Tully took his 10sec run at king
May 21st 2019
573
Do people really see something in Beto?
May 21st 2019
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Meh, I kind of think Warren might should have done a Fox Town Hall.
May 22nd 2019
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I get what you're saying but I'm fine with her taking the stand she did.
May 22nd 2019
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1. "I like Warren's policies the best so far"
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Not 100% committed to voting for her next March when my state has a primary. Outside of Tulsi, Biden and Klobuchar, I could see myself theoretically voting for anyone else in the primary (and I'll vote for whoever wins the nom in the general.) I do care about electability in a general election, but that's impossible to tell at this point, so right now I'm focusing on policy. The debates will be big for me, and I can take some comfort in the fact that there's going to be a lot of candidates who get eliminated between now and then.

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5. "what about her foreign policy do you like?"
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9. "Getting out of Afghanistan/ending support for the Saudi campaign"
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in Yemen. Also, would not have thought the fact that she agrees with the phrase "it is the policy of the United States to not use nuclear weapons first" would be a big deal, but it kinda is now and it's fucked that we've never actually had this policy. She's also talked about cutting the defense budget, but I'm not actually expecting any American president to follow through on that.

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11. "She's not particularly insightful on foreign policy"
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but I agree with you on the positives of her positions that you referenced. She was infamously found running from questions on Israel and its targeting of protesters in Gaza. She also hasn't had a strong stance against regime change wars (until very recently) - and endorsed Clinton by citing her strength in foreign policy. That's really poor judgment.

I don't think we can afford to have a President right now who is not particularly interested in foreign policy and repairing the deep wounds that the Trump Administration has inflicted all across the world. I love Warren's domestic policies - but don't see her as having the necessary command of global affairs that a President needs.

That said - I do love a lot about Warren.

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15. "I would like more of a focus on foreign policy in the Dem party"
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It was barely an afterthought in 2016 and hasn't been talked about much in the run up to 2020 so far.

That and prospective cabinet appointments (I'm warming more and more to Buddy's suggestion of unveiling a prospective cabinet during the campaign) are two things that a president can actually influence without needing legislation to pass congress, so I really hope there are several debates that focus on FP.

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42. "The convention spent most of two days on bullshit militarism."
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57. "agreed - and I think it's a vastly underrated facet of 2020."
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>It was barely an afterthought in 2016 and hasn't been talked
>about much in the run up to 2020 so far.
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>That and prospective cabinet appointments (I'm warming more
>and more to Buddy's suggestion of unveiling a prospective
>cabinet during the campaign) are two things that a president
>can actually influence without needing legislation to pass
>congress, so I really hope there are several debates that
>focus on FP.


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21. "It's got to be our least democratic political arena"
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I feel like my role as a voter and a cog in the economy gives me some (very, very little but still real) voice in how decisions are made on a lot of domestic issues, but I've never felt that way about our foreign policy - particularly with respect to our military (though foreign trade also seems un-democratized) spending and engagements. And that feels pretty supportable by looking at the utter marginalization of the anti-war movement. 9-11 just destroyed it. Chris Cuomo is more likely to host an explicit, avowed communist than somebody taking the normal and morally obvious position: war is bad and we shouldn't do it. Try supporting that with the observation that the last seventy years pretty much proves we're not capable of intervening in other nation's affairs without destructively pushing our own interest and you sound like a crank and a conspiracy nut.

It's a giant bummer, and even outside the fact that our military engagements are expensive, dangerous, and evil, it also lacks political foresight because it gives that ground to the populist right. Tucker Carlson's already revising Trump's anti-intellectualism with moral language even though he's clearly coming from an evil and cynical place. The left *needs* a robust anti-war movement to keep these centrist melts from using endless war and troop-respecting to burnish their "pragmatic" credentials and punting away things like "peace" and "not intentionally doing genocide" to a cynical right who just doesn't care.

An easy start is refusing to acknowledge voices who supported the Iraq War. Support for that absurdly destructive lie should disqualify any figures from speaking publicly about what is good and right for America or the world again. They're either evil or stupid.

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58. "you know it's bad when Tucker Carlson is bodying the left"
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on foreign policy. Democrats have actually been fairly easily manipulated into supporting wars and disastrous interventionism.

>An easy start is refusing to acknowledge voices who supported
>the Iraq War. Support for that absurdly destructive lie should
>disqualify any figures from speaking publicly about what is
>good and right for America or the world again. They're either
>evil or stupid.

Absolutely. We have a very difficult time in telling the truth and acknowledging wrongs in this country. The Iraq War was based on a lie - and the rush to war after 9/11 amounted to a litany of war crimes that have largely been ignored by our body politic. It has to come to an end before a new Cold War erupts.

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112. "No history, no future"
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>We have a very difficult time in telling the
>truth and acknowledging wrongs in this country.

That's a really appropriate way to put it, and I like it even more because it understands our current political state as one of continuity, not rupture. Trump is more overt, more crass, and potentially more dangerous for his shamelessness. But our long history of unaccountable violence here and abroad means he's not new. And when we ignore our horrifying past, it permits us to characterize Trump as uncharacteristic lapse in traditional American values rather than a cartoonish-but-consistent articulation of those values.

One day he'll be gone. Defeated in an election. Leaving in a helicopter after two miserable terms. Dead on a toilet from natural causes. Resigned. Impeached. But if we've continued to use him as a shield from our past, then there's no future that's meaningfully better. I'm not good enough with political theory to engage Marx on the terms that he deserves, but one thing that is inspiring about his work is the clear-eyed understanding of our role in making history. We relentlessly characterize things like the suffocation of capitalism or imperialist war as natural forces like gravity because they were there yesterday and the day before and the day before and we can't imagine a world without them. But an actual political effort to re-understand, confront, and reckon with our past reframes Trump as somebody who is congruent with American values but, most importantly, doesn't have to be tomorrow.

I don't quite yet share your enthusiasm for Gabbard, but the presidential race and American politics needs her voice so I hope she hangs in there for awhile.

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2. "Ranked: 1.Bernie, 2.Warren, 3.Kamala, 4.Beto, 5.Biden"
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mista k5
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6. "My Ranking: 1.Beto, 2.Bernie, 3.Warren, 4.Kamala"
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big drop from there and no real preference between the rest.

its looking like we have some good choices. if it was 100% policies it would be bernie/warren.

  

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10. "Same. I might switch Beto and Kamala, but they neck and neck."
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3. "Bernie/Tulsi ticket"
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128. "*stands in this line*"
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4. "Warren/O'Rourke"
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or Bernie/Warren

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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7. "This Bernie announcement has me kinda shook"
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8. "$1 million in under 4 hours"
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14. "up to $3 million and counting. "
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12. "None in this poll"
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13. "who then?"
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19. "need more time "
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it's too early to pick anyone.

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16. "i'm so over bernie but i'd probably go with him"
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Kamala aka Hillary Jr would need to do some major work between now and primary season for me to move that direction bc i already know she's gonna have the most momentum out of everyone not named bernie

im mostly on the fence with everyone but bernie at the moment but that could change...Bernie's age is killing me but Trump is old as fuck too so it's just one of those things i don't like but can get over

My biggest eyeroll with Bernie is that i think he's helped push left enough which would likely bring other candidates to middle-left so i feel like he could easily put that energy behind a younger candidate with some chops

I'm not a Gabbard fan yet...she's basically the non-establishment Kamala for me...the Bernie association feels flimsy at times so I don't think she is that younger candidate but she could be



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17. "no white people over 70"
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44. "RE: no white people"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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51. "dems never elect a president older than the preceding repub."
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so if history holds up...sanders/biden/etc are either not winning the nomination...or theyre getting the nom and losing the general.

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53. "So you’re off Biden now? For good?"
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All it took was Bernie running? Why didn’t this “too old”
logic apply last week, etc?

  

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Reeq
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59. "fam this is really getting annoying. i literally said the same thing"
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a few weeks ago.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13306367&mesg_id=13306367&listing_type=search#13306652

you could have just asked me instead of confidently assuming and being dead wrong (starting to become a pattern with you now).

and ive already told you how i feel about biden. but its like groundhog day again with you any time i bring his name up.

ive mentioned his age plenty of times over the past 2 years. even said he would normally be a subpar candidate.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13211439&mesg_id=13211439&listing_type=search#13211534

my judgment of his candidacy is strictly based on the current environment and seeing voter sentiment/feedback to his possible candidacy. you know...actually looking at the information in front of me from a broad set of sources instead of just going off my personal wishes.

iono whats been going on with you lately but youre turning into one of those loud and wrong posters that hounds people with a bunch of erroneous/mischaracterized bullshit and wastes *everyones* time in the process.

seriously are you ok?

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86. "not sure why it had to get personal, but lets go"
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Wed Feb-20-19 11:16 AM by Stadiq

          

>a few weeks ago.
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13306367&mesg_id=13306367&listing_type=search#13306652
>

Reeq, I got nothing but love for you man, and respect the hell out of how informed you are- but you flip flop like shit on establishment candidates...and take a very different approach with candidates favored by the party that those more on the outside.

The reasons I've hounded you on this specific issue-

1. I think Joe Biden would be just about the worst candidate to run in 2020. In several back and forths with you, you have either ignored my points or simply said "your opinion"...you have refused to engage in an honest or open minded way.

2. The above irks me because I thought we had a better back and forth than that. AND Vex has admitted more faults in Tulsi than you have your big 3 candidates. In your attempt to carry water for the party, you are starting to come off like a hypocrite.

3. You pick and choose when to use polls and precedent. In the link above, you say that Dems never win with an older candidate than the previous president.

When I point out that Dems have never won running a "try-again" like Biden, you shrug it off.

>you could have just asked me instead of confidently assuming
>and being dead wrong (starting to become a pattern with you
>now).

Huh? I did ask you. Are you off him for good now? You have literally gone back and forth on him. The two links you even posted to "get" me show you are back and forth.

>
>and ive already told you how i feel about biden. but its like
>groundhog day again with you any time i bring his name up.
>
>ive mentioned his age plenty of times over the past 2 years.
>even said he would normally be a subpar candidate.
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13211439&mesg_id=13211439&listing_type=search#13211534

But you didn't rule him out because of his age. In fact, in this post your literally said that people wont care.

So you just posted a link saying his age doesn't matter. Well, not until Bernie ran.

Can you not see what a hypocrite your being?

You'll attack Tulsi for flip flopping, but not Kamala.


You'll attack Bernie for being old and not moving on, yet it hadn't ruled out Biden for you.

You'll praise Beto for raising money, but I haven't seen any love for Bernie on this topic (I may have missed it).

You'll post a "gotcha" Biden poll, then ignore that Bernie is in second place in those polls.

And, you cherry pick polls. You know you do.

Etc, Etc


Its frustrating because you are starting to lose credibility to me, and up to this point I have deferred to your judgement on most things.

But you deflecting and/or glossing over issues with your preferred candidates is getting old.



>
>my judgment of his candidacy is strictly based on the current
>environment and seeing voter sentiment/feedback to his
>possible candidacy. you know...actually looking at the
>information in front of me from a broad set of sources instead
>of just going off my personal wishes.

? But you don't apply the same "hey I'm just being objective" reasoning when it doesn't suit you.

For instance, Bernie being 2nd in those polls. Or Bernie's overall popularity.

Or your refusal to admit that h
Biden is benefiting from name recognition, etc.

>
>iono whats been going on with you lately but youre turning
>into one of those loud and wrong posters that hounds people
>with a bunch of erroneous/mischaracterized bullshit and wastes
>*everyones* time in the process.

Stop it Reeq. This is bull shit.

I've been hounding you on this because you refuse to engage in an honest way.

And wasting time? You'll write essays waxing poetic about AOC and her faults, you'll post every Tulsi slam you can find, search the net for polls that support your theories...but don't have time to sincerely discuss Biden's issues, and your own flip flopping on the topic?

Who else's time have I wasted?

Not to mention, its okayplayer...this is all a time waste.

>
>seriously are you ok?

I'm fine. I'm just getting frustrated seeing people return to old 16 habits...like you trying to convince everyone the only way to beat Trump is to sprint to the middle again.


  

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115. "https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpz81S7usvTIM8w/giphy.gif"
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118. "like 90% of your criticism of me is that i dont show bernie enough love."
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no matter how you try to couch it...it revolves around an axis of bernie. you shoehorn him into every convo.

why do i not think age is an issue with biden but i do with bernie?

why do i post polls with biden at the top but not mention bernie?

why do i ignore kamalas flaws but not bernies?

why do i praise beto for raising money but not bernie?


bernie bernie bernie. marsha marsha marsha. lol.



when somebody else calls you a bernie bro...i never really saw it that way. but i gotta admit...its starting to look that way now.

it makes sense why you would use 'establishment' as a pejorative potshot...simply because i support some democratic candidates more than bernie. that doesnt make me establishment. that just makes me a damn democrat lol.

but you view everything through bernie tinted lenses.

'establishment' to you just means democrats who arent bernie or his allies. thats how the definition has been narrowed by you (and most of bernies fans)...despite the fact bernie has been in congress for 30 years...voting in line with the democratic 'establishment'...and rehashing/taking credit for policies that have been proposed by 'establishment' democrats for years (like conyers and m4a).


you just had other neutral observers on here call you out for your slanted perspective. maybe take that as a cue to pull back and self-reflect.

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160. "You are completely off man. Its crazy. This is about Biden mostly"
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That isn't even close to the truth.

Why won't you have an honest conversation about Biden, Beto, or Kamala?

Its that simple. You play mr objective with everyone else but those three.

You and I literally went back and forth a few weeks ago AGREEING that we hoped Bernie wouldn't run. We. Were. On. The. Same. Page.

I even talked you down from freaking out about it.


So because I am pointing out that you have different standards for Joe Biden, I'm a Bernie bro now?


Are you for real?


Don't play dumb. I am using Bernie vs Biden to shed light on your hypocrisy and you know it.

I've brought up Bernie so much because I think he is wrong for a lot of the reasons I think Biden is wrong.

And he is the best example to shed light on your hypocrisy regarding biden.

You really can't see that?

If Bernie is too old, so is Biden.

If Bernie would stop us from moving forward from 16 as a party, so would Biden.




You know that's my point. But you jumped to the Bernie Bro thing as an easy out.

And I honestly don't recall anyone calling me a Bernie bro recently. I was called that because I had objections to Clinton.

Again, I have been on record saying I don't want Bernie to run- often in talks with you lol lol.

And I cringed this week because I dread the divisiveness.

Cmon man.


You KNOW my point. You are being a hypocrite on Biden.


Just admit it man. We are all opinionated. We are all capable of being wrong, too. Even you.

Just admit that calling me a Bernie Bro was bullshit deflection, because you just WANT Biden based on YOUR OPINION...not some holier than though objectivity.

Thats it. Thats my point.


>no matter how you try to couch it...it revolves around an
>axis of bernie. you shoehorn him into every convo.
>
>why do i not think age is an issue with biden but i do with
>bernie?
>
>why do i post polls with biden at the top but not mention
>bernie?

Right, why? Why do you have different standards?

>
>why do i ignore kamalas flaws but not bernies?

On this specific point, I went to Tulsi...who you know I hate. So now you are just making shit up. Cmon man.


>
>why do i praise beto for raising money but not bernie?
>
>
>bernie bernie bernie. marsha marsha marsha. lol.


Yeah, that isn't it. Anyone being objective can see that. I am just pointing out your moving goal posts for your favorite.


>
>
>
>when somebody else calls you a bernie bro...i never really saw
>it that way. but i gotta admit...its starting to look that
>way now.
>

Because I disagree with you? Because I think there are issues with Biden/Beto/Kamala that you overlook or refuse to address?


>it makes sense why you would use 'establishment' as a
>pejorative potshot...simply because i support some democratic
>candidates more than bernie. that doesnt make me
>establishment. that just makes me a damn democrat lol.

If I wasn't clear here, I am sorry. My point is that you apply different standards for your preferred candidates, who as a fact, are more establishment candidates.

We agree on a lot, but you have a lot more faith in the party than I do. That isn't new.

That doesn't make me now, or ever, a Bernie Bro.



>
>but you view everything through bernie tinted lenses.
>
>'establishment' to you just means democrats who arent bernie
>or his allies. thats how the definition has been narrowed by
>you (and most of bernies fans)...despite the fact bernie has
>been in congress for 30 years...voting in line with the
>democratic 'establishment'...and rehashing/taking credit for
>policies that have been proposed by 'establishment' democrats
>for years (like conyers and m4a).

Are you okay? Have you forgotten our interactions the last few months? You need to up your multi-vitamins man, your memory is failing you.

Bernie stans have been driving me nuttso. You know this. We have talked about it.

This isn't about Bernie.


Its about you applying different standards to your big 3, under the guise of objectivity.


I just wish you would be more honest, and stop trying to say you are just being objective.


>
>
>you just had other neutral observers on here call you out for
>your slanted perspective. maybe take that as a cue to pull
>back and self-reflect.


I self reflect all the time. I initially popped off like an idiot to you in that AOC thread, and for that I am sorry for real. I took a few well-deserved Ls.

I can have a short fuse and big mouth sometimes...and those things are definitely correlated with my blood alc content lol. No excuse, but I am sorry.



Do you self reflect? Seriously, you really think this back and forth has been all my bad? All me being a Bernie Bro? For real??


Cuz you are dodging a lot my points like a fucking professional politician.


You are also playing dumb like one too. You know I'm not a Bernie bro.

If anything, this is about my loathing for people who think running Joe Biden as Clinton part2 is the path to victory.

And the fact that you have refused MULTIPLE times to sincerely engage me on this point has been extremely disappointing.


Biden can "run on Obama's popularity, can present an option to moderate Republicans" etc...


You refuse to even admit that shit sounds familiar. Or even sincerely acknowledge other points I've made.


"Yeah Stadiq, I admit that does sound like 2016...but I'm still rolling with Joe cuz of x,x, and x"

"Yo homey you are right now that you mention it, the Dems have never elected a try-again in our lives. But I'm still rolling with Joe cuz..."

"Stadiq, you bring up a good point about the media making false equivalencies out of Biden and Trump's missteps...the media is trash. I'm still rolling with him tho, cuz of x..."



Nope. Its deflect and call me a Bernie Bro.

Quality discourse? Not lately.


Why?



  

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161. "good brother take the rest of the weekend to cool off. you need it."
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162. "Lol damn folks were right about you"
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You really do just deflect. I always figured you were just
too busy, etc- even defended you at times.

But you are just straight up ignoring my points,
and calling everyone who disagrees with you a
Bernie bro like you’re staviskan or whatever.

And now telling me to cool off, when all I did was
give you a detailed response...okay player.

You really cant take it when people just don’t defer
to you.

Sad shit man.

I’m done with this. You really should take a step
back and reflect on yourself and how you come off.

I fucked some things up but at least I can admit it *shrugs*

Either way please stop generalizing people who disagree/
question you.




  

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164. "He never did come back in the Beto post "
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after the conversation shifted to his voting record aligning with Rs and the campaign contributions

At least you see it now

DEFLECT DEFLECT, LOL.

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95. "That's such a weird statistic lol"
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Not convinced it means anything at all though

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18. "Biden/Harris "
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Yeah I am a centrist.


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20. "vote for daddy bernie, bitch" - cardi b"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCySD7GlKA



It’s Still Bernie

BY
AMBER A'LEE FROST

Don't listen to the media and think tank clowns — it's still Bernie.



The substance of Elizabeth Warren’s political rhetoric is dominated by banks and corporations — obvious and odious targets, to be sure. She speaks positively, but vaguely, about labor unions. In 2013 she advocated for a minimum wage increase to $10 an hour over the course of two years — tragically modest in the time of Fight for $15. She’s helped make some mild reforms to student debt, but nothing so great as to be noticeable for a young person debilitated by loans. She’s made no great stink about socialized health care or higher education. Aside from financial regulation, it’s actually quite unclear what a Warren presidential program would be…

This dandy little bit of self-plagiarism is from three years ago, when I attended a painfully nerdy and shamefully self-congratulatory event to “Draft Warren” into the presidential primaries. It was a farcical gathering of Type-A Tracy Flicks, barely worth the free booze, and even the assembled nerds quickly realized this Lisa Simpson of a dark-horse candidate wasn’t as inspiring to the masses as she was to them, and we all moved on.

And what we moved onto was Bernie — our indefatigable, unwavering, incorruptible Bernie! And we very nearly won, despite despicable sabotage from the DNC. Bernie was the leader of a movement that fundamentally ended the Cold War of the American mind; he changed the face of American politics, acted as midwife to a nascent insurgent left, and achieved more in a few months of mass political action than Elizabeth Warren did in her whole political life.

It was true then and it’s true now: Bernie Sanders is the best candidate — the only candidate who could be considered anything even close to socialist, and the one to beat Trump. A President Sanders isn’t some idealist fantasy, he is our best bet by a mile. He has consistently polled as the most popular politician in America since the primaries, and while everyone else has been tweeting (or following up with 23andMe) Bernie pressured Amazon into raising wages, followed up by going after Walmart, condemned Saudi Arabia and sponsored the resolution to end support for the war in Yemen, introduced the No Money Bail Act, committed to a federal job guarantee, campaigned so powerfully for Medicare for All that he shifted the entire Democratic Party, and saved a woman from being hit by a car. Not only is he the best candidate politically (as in, the only social democrat), he has the best chance of giving the “pragmatists” what say they want: a presidential win.

Unfortunately, a few of my media colleagues appear to have caught the Warren bug yet again, but this time around she lacks the good sense to refuse to run.

Elizabeth Warren’s politics aren’t impressive, and they never have been; all she has ever leaned on is a rigid obsession with the sort of basic financial regulation that barely mitigates capitalism’s greatest crimes. She’s not charismatic and appears to have absolutely zero understanding of what voters want in a candidate, as indicated by her pre-campaign soft launch on a bit of specious family lore about Native American heritage. Literally, no one cares, and yet she keeps doubling down on it. She chokes, she flinches, she reacts every time Trump insults her, and thus the public is far more familiar with her defensive “Orange Man is Mean to Me” ethnic delusion than they are her “Accountable Capitalism Act” (really inspiring name there, Liz).

Warren, who didn’t stop voting Republican until 1995, said in 2011, “I was a Republican because I thought that those were the people who best supported markets. I think that is not true anymore.” Again displaying her tone-deaf penchant for doubling down when the situation desperately calls for changing the subject, she explained further that “I was a Republican at a time when I felt like there was a problem that the markets were under a lot more strain. It worried me whether or not the government played too activist a role,” and then she declined to say if she voted for Ronald Reagan. (Incidentally, these quotes came from Daily Beast interview titled “I Created Occupy Wall Street,” an ungenerous fudge on Warren’s original statement that she “created much of the intellectual foundation of what they do,” and her professed support for the Occupy insurgency. One might still accuse her of taking too much credit for the “movement,” but given the futility and ultimate failure of Occupy, I’d argue it’s actually pretty fair to call her its Fairy Godmother.)

There’s no reason to believe that a goody-goody technocrat would fare better in 2020 than fellow neoliberal loser Hillary Clinton did in the prior presidential cycle. And yet here’s Hamilton Nolan in Splinter, who titles his anyone-but-Trump political polemic, “Bernie Don’t Run.”

I don’t really give a damn who it is. Warren, or Kamala Harris, or Sherrod Brown, or whoever. Pick one and get behind them from the very beginning. Any solid top-tier true left-wing candidate should, barring a serious fuck-up, be able to win the Democratic nomination if Bernie Sanders hands them all of his supporters on a platter.

I hate to break it to you, HamNo, but the voters actually do give a damn who it is, as evidenced by the fact that Bernie was previously unable to hand Hillary “all of his supporters on a platter.” They didn’t want Hillary, or really any neoliberal. And why should they?

Barack Obama was the very last “horoscope candidate” — a politician who manages to speak so vaguely that his platform could mean anything to anyone. It’s not going to work this time around; the Democratic Party is not going to be able trick people into believing that Liz Warren is a social democrat. Ditto for Kamala “Cop” Harris, a woman whose duplicitous record as a prosecutor includes the defense of the death penalty, three strikes laws, and the imprisonment of single mothers for the truancy of their children. You really think you can convince anyone that Kamala Harris is a woman of the people? Sherrod Brown has gone all in with Russiagate hysteria (also he signs his tweets). And before you even think of it, don’t even bother with Beto, who is to the right of all of the aforementioned, and votes to the right of the median Democrat. His district is majority Democratic, so he could plausibly vote to storm the Winter Palace and still keep his seat, but he joined the New Democrat Caucus in order to advance business interests. You can’t just astroturf any shitty neoliberal hack into the hearts and minds of the Bernie voter; if you could, we’d have President Hillary right now.

The coming election cycle will be an extremely difficult and fraught one. The Democrats might not be able win with any candidate; even the worst presidents seem all to serve for two terms now, and frankly, a lot of people have very little faith in electoral change. And despite all the #resistance hysteria, for the time being, the majority of the electorate haven’t seen the sort of plummet in quality of life that inspires droves of voters to cast a ballot for Anyone But Trump. The Donald hasn’t actually deviated that much from the neoliberal trajectory of his predecessors (remember, Obama shot tear gas at the border too), and you can’t expect people who don’t spend all day on Twitter to feel that motivated to combat what is essentially the gradual continuation of previous administrations. (Hell, he’s already more anti-war than Obama.)

And even if we could get a President Gillibrand in 2020, another lukewarm Democratic presidency will not only further impoverish and destabilize the working class and its suffering institutions; it will also all but guarantee that 2024 brings us POTUS Hamburglar in an SS uniform. No, HamNo, it’s Bernie or bust. I don’t care if we have to roll him out on a hand truck and sprinkle cocaine into his coleslaw before every speech. If he dies mid-run, we’ll stuff him full of sawdust, shove a hand up his ass and operate him like a goddamn muppet.

At first glance, it might seem strange to abandon the winning candidate for “pragmatic” reasons, but I have my suspicions as to why a lot of people who should know better are doing it right now. I suspect it has something to do with caution, or at least the professional credibility a writer gains by appearing to heed such caution. Call it “pressimism” if you want, but journalists are generally treated as more judicious when they aim low during times of crisis (it was one thing to support Bernie when we all thought Hillary would win, but now we have to get “serious” and stump for a shitty candidate, lest the New York Times think you too idealistic). Pressimism is regarded by the industry not as cynicism, diffidence, cowardice or even just plain poor judgment, but as prudence. I call it hedging your bets. But since we have a real shot here, it’s time to keep the faith and go all in. Otherwise, 1) No one will ever let you forget it; and 2) you’ll have to spend years eating crow.


And for the love of God, learn to exercise your scoffing muscles. Don’t get drawn into show-trial debates when someone is obviously merely attempting to defame, discredit, or otherwise malign the Sanders campaign. Yes, there are guileless and gentle souls who might voice concern about Sanders’ prospects, policies or appeal to women and minorities, and with those people we have conversations. Kindly, confidently and thoroughly we explain, over and over, again how Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for the working class — and we then spell out, with the same saintly patience, that this means all of the working class. But as for the liberal media, and for those who would disingenuously invoke identity politics to attack the socialist, just remember the magic words: “I know what you’re doing right now and it doesn’t work on me.” Remember, they’re trying to trip you up, wear you down, and waste your precious time. (Luckily, they’re utter clowns; elite whiners who pout that everyone is being too mean to them and to their favored milquetoast candidate.) The hit pieces against Bernie have already started to pour in, and we cannot concede a single inch to bad-faith liberals. Steel yourselves against the pseudo-progressive manipulation tactics and moral blackmail that put you on the back foot.

Fellow soft-handed scribblers, if indeed you are a socialist first then indeed you must be a contrarian pundit second, and this is your one opportunity to drop the professional artifice of “constructive criticism from the left” and choose socialism over media strategy. There are no “impartial” spectators on this one; only partisans and compradors. This is not some college debate where you get extra points for novelty and precocious dissidence, and it’s not some office pool where heated but distant speculations on the tournament are an amusing pastime with colleagues around the water cooler. This involves nothing less than the real, live fate of every single person in America (and most people outside of it).




If you have strayed, all is forgiven, but you better come to Jesus right now, because memories are long and history judges the cowardly squish far more harshly than the honest enemy. And you can’t say that no one was there at the time to tell you that this was it, that this was the pivotal moment where you had to make the right choice.

Partisan isn’t a dirty word, it’s nice out here (on the right side of history), and if you keep sitting on that fence you’re gonna get splinters in your ass. So hop aboard the Bernie train (choo-chooooo)! We got ourselves a winner. It’s Bernie, bitch, and it’s the only game in town.


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22. "A vote for Bernie = Trump"
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Fools learned nothing.

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25. "I am not pro Bernie but I don't understand this logic. "
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Isn't the lesson from 2016 that running a centrist moderate was a mistake?



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28. "Only if you assumed someone less "moderate" would have won."
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You could just as well argue that our candidate wasn't moderate enough.

Hillary was running as a progressive way before anyone was even paying attention to Bernie. Bernie just made her look like a moderate by taking all of her proposals and (mindlessly) dialing them up by a single tick. The public option became M4A; $12 federal minimum wage became $15; free community college became free four-year college; ...

  

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45. "RE: Only if you assumed someone less "moderate" would have won."
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>Hillary was running as a progressive way before anyone was
>even paying attention to Bernie.

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31. "i thought it was more that running Hillary was a mistake"
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because the larger media narrative from the last election was that they were the two most unpopular candidates ever to run. People bought into that they were both equally terrible and dishonest. I don't see that narrative playing out that way if it had been Biden instead of Hillary.

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35. "Ralph Nader 2000 I think is the thought "
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93. "no matter what someone thinks of Bernie"
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We should all be very grateful he isn't running 3rd party.

He could easily do so if he wanted- look how he can raise coin.

Which is why I scratch my head at "he's not a dem!" people...do they want him to run on his own?




  

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97. "Yeah, him actually running an independent campaign"
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Would absolutely get Trump reelected.

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30. "How is a vote for anyone in the Dem primary a vote for"
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the Republican incumbent?

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32. "Because some nominees would guarantee Trump wins the general. "
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Not to speak for the OP, but that's one way.

  

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54. "Yes - like Hillary Clinton. "
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60. "serious question...why did bernie lose to her?"
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was it just the primary being 'rigged' that kept him from victory and not the voters?

like if she was so terrible (either in yours or others eyes)...bernie should have beaten her right?

cuz obama faced the same obstacles that bernie faced. actually worse since a large segment of the cbc didnt support him and clinton was a stronger (and less tarnished) candidate in 2008 coming off a stint as ny senator with a 70%+ approval. but obama somehow pulled off the victory.

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61. "She had a huge head start and a lot of folks thought it was her time"
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It’s like Dems were on some “and after a Black man we will have a woman!!”

Which would’ve been cool if it was someone else but the problem is Hillary is a strong brand in the southern states but we aren’t winning those states in the general.

shut up already, damn

  

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65. "Obama was a once-in-a-generation political talent"
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He was very much an outlier in the sense that he was so transformational as a candidate, his charisma and ability to appeal to large swaths of the electorate is like nothing we've seen since JFK. So it's not surprising at all that a candidate couldn't replicate that kind of destined energy.

But as to why Bernie couldn't beat Clinton? lol c'mon - the deck was so stacked against him. He was polling at less than 1% to start - and the Superdelegates nullified any victory he had (he won New Hampshire *big* - but left the state with the same amount of delegates as all of the state's delegates went to Clinton - and this was a common thread in the primary).

The DNC had already made up its mind that Clinton would be the nominee - they just didn't expect Bernie to mount such a viable challenge. But outside of the (now confirmed) titled primary in Clinton's favor - she also had all of the traditional democratic loyalists who loved Bill supporting her. Bernie also did a fairly poor job courting the Southern vote - and that's something he'll have to address if he's to earn the nomination this time around.

All that being said - the dynamics in a primary are very different from the dynamics of a general. Again - all you have to do is look at the verifiable and credible polls to see that Bernie carried significant margins against Trump in a general (whereas Hillary was always neck and neck with Trump in a general) - and that's because once you get outside of a democratic primary, the fight is to appeal beyond your party - and Clinton really struggled with that. Bernie's favorables (being the highest rated Senator/politician in the country in terms of popularity and favorability) would've served him well in a general in 2016 (and will) serve him well in 2020.

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116. "I have come around to the opinion that anybody but Hillary would have be..."
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Trump. That includes Bernie.

I had a lot of Misgivings about Hillary mainly because I hate political dynasties but I came around partly because 1.) No one else got me that excited, 2.) the misinformation put out about her was driving me crazy, 3.) I thought she would have governed well, it would have been as close to an Obama 3rd term as you could get and 4.) I wanted a woman president.

But Bernie has never impressed me. Even while I dig a lot of what he says I just believe that he would have been a very ineffective president. If super talented, smart centrist Obama couldn't get the more progressive parts of his Agenda done, I don't see how Bernie would do better.

I personally believe A progressive President isn't how you begin to change the country, it's more like the last step. You have to set the stage for it by it bubbling up from the bottom in state houses and Congress.



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117. "i cant wait til we all realize this:"
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>I personally believe A progressive President isn't how you
>begin to change the country, it's more like the last step.
>You have to set the stage for it by it bubbling up from the
>bottom in state houses and Congress.

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120. "bernie was of the generation that knew you had to take it to the streets"
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and that experience is extremely resonate and needed in what is now an ongoing socio-political emergency not unlike the era he was a street level organizer in. in a corporate political structure you need people resisting the profit-based, walled off halls to get reps like the ones we're seeing in congress now. and he deserves credit and a higher platform for this emerging legacy he's added to his life's work.

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129. "RE: serious question...why did bernie lose to her?"
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For the BILLIONTH time....let's say everything was fair and equal and no rigging took place in the 2016 primary for argument's sake:

Bernie as an outsider almost took HALF of Hillary's party. If Hillary split her own party's votes then why project her unfavorability to the general election to appeal to people who were DECIDEDLY not Democrats? Bernie would have kept his base PLUS Hillary's crowd PLUS Independents (his base that wasn't even allowed in the primaries) PLUS Republicans that didn't want to vote for Trump PLUS the millions of first year voters who registered to vote for HIM.

To add in a sprinkling of it being fixed, the entire process was set up to steer Hillary to the nomination AND presidency - including Trumps elevation to be opposite her. The better question is if Hillary barely beat Bernie why would she do better in a situation she didn't control against the general electorate? People protested her nomination at her own nomination! Haha the writing was on the wall. Bernie would have won.

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23. "Does anyone think the VP office should do or mean more?"
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My idea: Have the VP tackle some of the smaller but as important things; Voting rights, fighting gerrymandering, lobbying reform, EPA, and CFPB.

If the VP candidate isn't on the same page, does that muddle the message for the nominee?

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24. "not sure but it's less about policy and more about who can win"
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Warren might be the right balance between progressives and centrists, but even before this dumb DNA stunt, I've never seen anything about her that says president. And as insignificant as the DNA thing is, her making it worse makes me feel like she's the wrong person to run against Trump

Beto is probably my choice so far (is he even running?), probably 90% of it is that he reminds me so much of Obama tho.

Kamala. I like her enough. I think my thoughts on her are too shaped by other's takes. I need to just listen to her raw.

Biden - if he were younger, i'd be down with Joe

Tulsi - I'm not as down on her as most in here. and i think in the whole reality show circus side of things she'd be a huge problem for Trump. The party seems bent on pushing her out though, and i'm pretty sure they will.

Bern - I dunno. he's old. I think he can clip some 'merica types from Trump, but he's never really faced scrutiny, or the right wing machine, and if the economy doesn't straight up tank before the election good luck selling the country of democratic socialism

Booker - pass

Klubochar(sp) - I don't know enough about her

Gillibrand - I like her. Just not necessarily as president.

Brown - I'm interested

Castro - NO to that almost human looking creature.

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I'm out on Klobuchar, but other than that, I can be swayed by most of the other names out there.

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29. "Tulsi and Klobuchar are my almost 100% nos right now"
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there is definitely so much time left that it doesnt make sense to get tied down to any candidate yet. im just curious where people stand right now. i expect mine to change as i see more of some candidates. my current number one hasnt even announced they are running. just the news of bernie running shot him up to number 2 for me.

im sure i will feel different when we get close to the debates. not sure if the debates will change anything for me.

  

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27. "None of these are convincing general election candidates."
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And the general election is all that matters. The general election matters a hundred times more than details of "policy," which people fool themselves into thinking is the serious way to choose a candidate, even though policy from the left will be deadlocked for decades, especially if we continue to shame our right-wing monster Democrats who do what they need to do to win Senate seats in red states.

Of those you listed, Kamala Harris is the most convincing GE candidate to me at the moment, but she'd really have to forget Medicare-for-all super quick, or pretend that all along she was really just talking about a buy-in or a public insurance option. I voted Kamala in the poll. But I fear her roadblocks could pile higher and higher if she thinks she has to continue to win over the "progressives." From what I hear, California moving up its primary will give her an enormous boost, though. If she can put the primary away soon and work on her GE credentials while the "progressives" rant helplessly about how "there isn't a real primary!", then I think she might have a chance.

Biden could be a very good president (again, to the extent that the actions of the president will even matter, apart from bureaucratic and judicial appointments). But I still think he'd fuck up a general election even faster than he fucked up all of his primary races.

Bernie is a vanity candidate, fully dependent on vanity voters. He'd be hopeless in a general election, and if somehow Trump got unpopular and unlucky enough for him to win, Bernie would be a very weak president, and he'd do lasting damage to the causes he thinks he's fighting for. Mainly he'd do this just by fighting for them in the moralistic way he always has. GOP media would trumpet it all as self-parody, and that meme would be confirmed when the legislation goes nowhere.

Beto seems to benefit from people's ignorance. At this point people only know him (if they know him at all) as the guy who almost beat Ted Cruz. But from what little I've seen of him, it seems like that was more about Ted Cruz than about Beto O'Rourke. If he can get together a big, Obama-style social media campaign that gets people to think it's not really about him, then he might stand a chance. But with Obama, it really was about him for a lot of voters. The Hope & Change thing was just one trick in Obama's arsenal. For Beto, I think it's all he has, and I don't think it could possibly be enough, especially against someone like Trump.

Elizabeth Warren would make the best president of this bunch. And she could even be a transformational president if she found herself with a Senate majority (which she won't). But Americans hate progressives. And they hate academics just as much.


Others that come to mind:

I'll have to see more of Amy Klobuchar. The key to a Democrat winning in 2020 will be to win back the rust belt. Minnesota isn't exactly the rust belt, but it's close enough, culturally, that she might be able to convincingly make the right arguments there.

The best candidate for this, and I still think therefore the best candidate we could have, is Sherrod Brown. He's been making the rust-belt Democrat case for years, and he makes it convincingly. He's a conventional enough candidate that I think he could win most of the Hillary states, but he'd also be uniquely capable of decimating Trump's argument in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania; and we already know he can win statewide races in Ohio, by substantial margins, a state that people have started writing off for Democratic presidential candidates. I don't like his naive view of trade policy (which is actually one of the few things a president still gets to decide, in part), but that naive view, unfortunately, is central to the case he needs to make. So I'll look past it.


Overall, I'm not optimistic. I wasn't optimistic in 2016, and I'm not optimistic now. Part of it is that we as a party have allowed ourselves to be pigeonholed, but part of it is that presidents tend to win reelection (just like challengers to the president's party tend to win after two terms). Trump may seem uniquely unpopular, but his approval rating is pretty similar to what it was before the last election. Trump is still able to motivate huge numbers of people to blame his failings (and their failings) on other people. In a competition between hope and malice, the candidate of malice always has the advantage.

  

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40. "I agree with a lot of this actually"
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At this point, I think Kamala seems most able to thread the needle and appeal to progressives and establishments folks. And- in the few speeches I've seen, etc- seems likable enough.

I voted Warren in the poll though, because I went with who I would actually want to be President. As far as elect-ability though, its probably Kamala at this point.


I am surprised at how much Bernie raised in a day- I thought some of the hype had faded. I am very curious what Bernie folks think he will be able to accomplish as President, though (to your point on him). Add in his age, it seems like a way to guarantee (even if you thought he could win) a one-term Presidency. I just don't get it. I wish he would have just thrown his support to Warren or something.

I agree on Beto. I hope he just runs for Senate, honestly.


And yup- Biden would be a great way to just give the Presidency to Trump. Saw a couple talking heads on CNN the other day- one GOP one DEM. They were debating the economy/job growth under Obama and Trump.

The GOP head was able to put forth an argument that stupid Americans every where will believe- that the economy is amazing, and so much better than it was under Obama, and it is because of Trump


Running Biden would just be gifting Trump the perfect deflection "the economy is better under me, why would America let you drive again?"...and it will work.

Add Biden's other issues and his long history of losing Presidential races...I don't get why anyone wants him to run.


I hope Brown runs...I'm doubtful he can win the nom though.

  

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33. "Andrew Yang"
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https://www.yang2020.com

I can live with Beto or Joe Biden.

Andrew Yang gets my vote because his stances reflect where the country should go.

  

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36. "interesting"
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need to know more about him but his website makes a good case.

  

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38. "I don't know if he's ready for a serious run, but his ideas are interest..."
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He's focused on some really important domestic issues, and discussing the issues in a pretty honest way.

I haven't heard a great deal on his foreign policy, but I could see that being a legit weak spot.

https://www.instagram.com/sbmission365/

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41. "check out his Rogan podcast from last week"
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>He's focused on some really important domestic issues, and
>discussing the issues in a pretty honest way.
>

Agreed.


>I haven't heard a great deal on his foreign policy, but I
>could see that being a legit weak spot.
Yeah, for sure.

He got to that at the very end of the podcast, but what he briefly said wasn't very substantive

  

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37. "^^this is the guy I back."
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55. "love the attention he's bringing to UBI"
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109. "dunno about president but I appreciate what he's doing"
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most politicians seem to see automation as something 30 years down the line when we're gonna see huge changes over the next decade, and no one is ready

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110. "yeah, he's at least discussing and attempting to offer solutions"
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https://www.instagram.com/sbmission365/

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130. "I like a lot about Yang. Would love him in a progressive cabinet."
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166. "RE: Andrew Yang <———- YEP"
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265. "im liking this guy more and more"
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339. "^^^^^^^^^"
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34. "Whoever brings a guillotine on stage"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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39. "Bernard, motherfuckers. "
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43. "I like Sherrod (after a thorough blackface check)"
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I feel like he can catch fire with one good, prominent speech about the plight of the working class.
He's seems like he's got genuine passion (a must!) and appeals to moderates somehow even though he is pretty damn progressive.

He's the horse I would go with

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46. "none of it matters if dems dont come up with a media strategy *asap*."
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cuz the deck is being stacked against them by the 'liberal media'.

you got cnn hiring a right wing operative with no journalism experience as political editor in charge of coordinating 2020 coverage.
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1097921759024738309

she was calling cnn the 'clinton news network' and pushing the usual generally deranged right wing conspiracy theories not too long ago.
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/19/18231993/cnn-gop-operative-2020-election-coverage

she also pledged loyalty to trump and is prolly under the same trump-friendly nda (cant disparage trump on air) that cnn doesnt care about and doesnt think is worth disclosing to its viewers.
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1098010638637518848

and in a year that will showcase the most diverse democratic candidate field in history...this is what desks like the cbs news political reporting team will look like.
https://twitter.com/bfmitchell/status/1083834166175846400

salute to aoc for continually (and constructively) calling out the media.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1098023702338379776

but if dems dont coordinate a uniform strategy to address these issues along with aoc...they are ignoring the single greatest obstacle to their chance at victory.

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47. "Pete Buttigieg wants to pack courts and eliminate the filibuster"
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He's my new hero, lmao at the mayor of South Bend, IN running for president, though. That doesn't even sound like a real job, just the title of a Sports Illustrated story on Ron Pawlus from 1994.

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49. "A+ Ron Powlus callback."
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https://www.instagram.com/sbmission365/

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52. "he would have been a really good dnc chair."
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he actually had a better plan for modernizing the dem party along with more forward-thinking proposals than both perez and ellison.

he didnt have the factional support behind him that the 2 frontrunners had but he was the best candidate imo.

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101. "he think da electoral college should go too"
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lol


erry time i hear him he sound smart af

he talk a mean foreign policy game too

gotta young face but he served in afghanistan n was a rhodes scholar n shit

i be keepin my eye on dude

  

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48. "anyone but bernie sanders"
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50. "mueller gonna lock him up too for conspiring with manafort & tad devine!"
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63. "Why? It’s not like Trump will be free for 2020 right? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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64. "LANDSLIDE"
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56. "Bernie raised more money in a day than any candidate in history"
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He's not my top candidate this time out (though he's right at the top for me) - but there's no denying the momentum he's carrying. He has really won the long-game since 2016, has galvanized a freshman class of progressive, generational-shifting rising stars in Congress who were inspired by his 2016 campaign, and has the wisdom of learning from mistakes that were made in his past campaign.

He has shifted the discussion with his influence - and now virtually every candidate (except Amy) is parroting his talking points. Not too long ago - these same politicians were referring to him as too radical and out of the mainstream - and now MFA and the Green New Deal is becoming mainstream.

Bernard Sanders is the most influential politician on the left - and he's also the most popular with meteoric favorability ratings (highest of any Senator).

I'm encouraged. Many friends of mine who were staunchly opposed to him in 2016 have actually admitted that they wrong about 2016 & Hillary's electability - and have since warmed up to the idea of a Sanders presidency, but that's likely more a product of the undeniable wind in his sails that simply can't be dismissed anymore.

There are a number of strong candidates - and it's going to be a hell of a primary. Let's just hope the DNC gets out of the way and lets them fight on an even playing field. As the old boxing adage rings true: a good ref (or neutral adjudicating/administrative body) is one that you don't even notice is there.
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92. "I think the problem for Sanders is he's not running against Clitnon"
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Last time, for all the talk about energized young leftists voting for him, he got a lot of support from Democrats (as in, people who traditionally vote in Dem primaries and routinely vote for the Dem candidate up and down the ballot) who didn't want Hillary Clinton. He was the only option for those voters. This time, they've got more choices.

On the other hand, Dem primary turnout is going to be WAY up from 2016. And at least some of those people who sat out 2016 will go for Sanders (along with the other candidates, of course.) i think if he can get a bigger share of the new voters than anyone else and the voters he loses divide fairly evenly among the other candidates, he could win. But it's not going to be easy for him, he'll need to make a case for himself that isn't just a rehash of 2016 that also sets him apart from the other candidates (again, none of whom will have Hillary's baggage.)

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220. "true - in 2016 it was a binary choice: Clinton or Sanders"
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Now - you have a wide field with many options - but the early numbers show Sanders has retained his considerable core - and is picking off voters who would potentially go for an alternative as well.

What helps him greatly is that all of the candidates are essentially parroting his talking points from 2016 that became so popular with voters (MCA, affordable housing, health care as a right, stay out of endless wars, revolutionizing energy industry to combat climate change etc...) He really coined much of the where the debate is in 2019.

I do think that Biden's entry will add considerable complication to the current makeup of the race.

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62. "Damn, Bernie still strong as shit. "
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This could be a problem.

shut up already, damn

  

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66. "We just don't need the "Bernie or bust" mentality again"
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77. "80% of his supporters voted for Hillary. "
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But, by all means, keep posting cute memes and stuff.

  

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67. "It's *definitely* gonna be a problem."
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>This could be a problem.

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68. "What's the problem?"
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That he'll win the nomination and supporters of other Dems won't vote for him? Even if he's not my first choice, I'd still vote for him in the general no question. I don't see why Harris/Warren/Booker supporters would sit out or vote third party.

Or that he can't beat Trump?

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69. "because of the intense line drawing. "
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I can't understand it fully (the thought process) but a lot...A LOT of folks that were full on Bernie folks became Trump stans and fans once they felt the DNC did Bernie wrong.

There is also the angle of feeling as if something is off but feeling powerless or wanting to make a "Statement" to...the elites?


This shit is a problem.

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71. "^"
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>I can't understand it fully (the thought process) but a
>lot...A LOT of folks that were full on Bernie folks became
>Trump stans and fans once they felt the DNC did Bernie wrong.
>
>
>There is also the angle of feeling as if something is off but
>feeling powerless or wanting to make a "Statement" to...the
>elites?
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>This shit is a problem.

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73. "I don’t think any Bernie Stan ran to Trump"
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I think most voted for Hillary and some stayed home or voted 3rd party

shut up already, damn

  

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75. "Either way, the end result is the same."
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A 3rd party vote and a non-vote are both effectively 45* votes.

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102. "12% of bernie sanders supporters in 2016 dem primary voted for trump:"
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https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

  

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172. "how many of those 12% were unaffiliated or independents"
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who otherwise would not have participated in the Democratic Primary?

How many Clinton supporters defected and voted for McCain in 2008?

No one owns your vote. Not even Sanders. I didn't vote for Hillary in 2016, unapologetically. I was in a state she was going to win and instead put my vote towards growing the Green Party because the 2 party system is so broken.

People could have voted for Sanders and then chosen to vote for anyone else or not at all for a myriad of reasons. Either way, that is not HIS fault. That was a huge miscalculation on the part of the DNC.

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252. "I didn't vote for Hillary either"
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I can't stomach anyone with a foreign policy that resembles Kissinger and Cheney.

I voted Johnson/Weld and I don't regret it at all.

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72. "Problem for the newbies like KH, Warren, etc"
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shut up already, damn

  

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89. "^^ this. I am legit surprised"
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at how much money he raised like that.

This probably effectively eliminates some candidates, especially Warren.

  

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90. "He's got name recognition second only to Biden"
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and a HUGE email list, it would be weird if he wasn't raking in huge fundraising numbers. May or may not sustain, but it's definitely a sign that he's serious.

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94. "RE: He's got name recognition second only to Biden"
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Word, I just meant how fast he raised that money.


I was one of the ones who thought his run last time was inflated by who he was running against.

I have no idea if it will last, but I'm still surprised at just how big the splash was yesterday.

Based on how many people were apparently *waiting* for him to announce, I wonder if a lot of Warren supporters will jump ship- at least in the coming weeks, etc.




  

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96. "RE: He's got name recognition second only to Biden"
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>I wonder if a lot of Warren supporters will jump
>ship- at least in the coming weeks, etc.


i think a lot of us would gladly have either Bernie or Warren.. both would be an absolute dream.. i think this time, Warren will quick to endorse Bernie and Vice Versa when the nomination gets close.



  

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70. "He's the best candidate by a mile. "
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The only problem is Dems still acting like butthurt sissies cause he challenged Hillary.

  

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74. "This is probably true too"
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I’m a Bernie fan but I kinda want some young energy and someone who can go blow for blow for Trump.

Bernie might be that dude but he looks so old.

shut up already, damn

  

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76. "We have no way to deal with senile presidents"
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We just let Reagan and Trump literally lose their minds in office. Not saying the same thing will happen to Sanders (he certainly seems sharper than they did) but him and Warren being as old as they are isn't great.

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78. "LOL. Y'all being real silly today. "
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As if the entire damn world isn't run by old white people.

  

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80. "exactly, that's the problem..."
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>As if the entire damn world isn't run by old white people.

  

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82. "Oh, well if other countries are cool with senile leaders . . . "
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I never said he was approaching senility, but I also don't think it's weird to be concerned about someone being too old. I might vote for Sanders in my state's primary, I haven't decided (it's not going to happen for another year.) But I'm not going to pretend like I'm thrilled at the idea of a president in their 80's.

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84. "That’s the problem. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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88. "lol dude really thought he dropped the big joker."
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79. "right, just like there's a minimum age there should be a maximum"
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81. "I truly don't understand why"
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smh. Mistakes will be made again I guess.

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83. "Surprising on this site after his white working class pandoring tour"
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Blaming economic anxiety and not blatant racism for their support for Trump

Dude all but called Black southern folk irrelevant in his last run

I really don't get it

Or maybe im just mistaken about the demographics of OKP


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85. "This site isn’t super Black or poor"
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Most Black folk on here make good money and aren’t feeling that pain or struggle.

Also, southern Black folk love some Clinton’s... while he should’ve tried harder he also would’ve burned money. He wasn’t cracking that southern Black vote vs Hilldawg

Just my opinion tho

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104. "yup. Sanders economic message resonates with a LOT of folks"
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especially blue collar folks, of all races

  

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91. "I wonder if his new campaign manager will work on that"
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This time out his campaign manager is Faiz Shakir, 39 year old former ThinkProgress editor/ACLU national political director. Has some experience working with both Pelosi and Harry Reid. Last time out his campaign was run by his friend from a comic book store and a guy who worked with Paul Manafort to help elect a monster in Ukraine.

Can't just do the same thing he did in 2016 and expect different results.

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87. "We need someone young and vibrant to counter the old crazy man"
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Bernie can't win.

  

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98. "Bernie looks like he got dandruff flakes on his blazer collar. "
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103. "bwahahahahahahaha"
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yooo


i been sayin


bernie so gatdamn disheveled lookin yo LOL


can yall really see dat nigga givin a speech at da UN or talkin shop wit da saudis

i lmao erry time

  

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106. "After Trump he’d look just fine"
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Even if you go strictly off appearances, the orange
one looks like a cheap suit/car salesman past his
prime.

He looks like he’s 5 minutes away from pivoting to
talking about a wonderful timeshare investment
opportunity.


Absent minded professor who consistently misses
belt loops would be an upgrade- even just visually.

  

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108. "I think he's done this on more than a few occasions"
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>He looks like he’s 5 minutes away from pivoting to
>talking about a wonderful timeshare investment
>opportunity.

like literally talked to world leaders about Trump hotel opportunities.

https://www.instagram.com/sbmission365/

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165. "he'd win handsdown with some updated glasses"
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99. "The candidate isn'tgoing to be anyone who hasn't already declared, "
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besides possibly Biden and (I doubt) Beto. It's going to be one of the people we've already got.

  

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100. "Bernie will get eaten alive by Trump. "
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Warren's snafu is no stranger than any of the shit Trump has done while in office. She could get past it, if only the DNC gave her a chance.

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105. "nah. Sanders will embarrass him in a debate"
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Trump is one of the weakest incumbents we'll ever see.
Shit the only way he won is because Hillary is the worst *candidates* we'll ever see

  

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107. "t.rump Doesn't Debate, He Just Clowns People & Call Them Names"
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He's like the class clown, jokester, and bully all wrapped into one, he never really debates anyone, he's just make jokes about the opposing person and make slide remarks about their lives & status which is usually untrue or exaggerated beyond belief while his followers eat it up as a debate.


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119. "But.That.Shit.Works."
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How can we still not be getting this.

We want the candidate that knows policy and has great one-liners. That's how it works. That's how it always work.

Thinking otherwise gets us Dukakis, Kerry, Mondale.

Fucking Charisma matters.




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121. "Yup. Hillary Hillary annihalated Trump in the debates"
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on substance and policy.

It didnt matter.

Trump had zingers.



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122. "The Debates didn't hurt her. She had zingers. "
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That Puppet line and his response will be in every documentary about Trump when this is in the history books.

And it was really the first time folks saw personality with her.

And the debates didn't help him. I can't think of anything he said against her that did lasting damage.

Less so than other elections, the debates didn't have a huge impact.




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123. "true. its more that the debates didn't matter "
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msm tended to treat them like there was an army of Ken Bones out there waiting for the debates before deciding which way they were leaning.

but an undecided voter in 2016 (which really only meant voting or not voting) was more likely to be steered by a meme than a substantive policy debate

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113. "In jokes? Maybe... but not on policy"
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shut up already, damn

  

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114. "In getting votes."
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111. "I'm thiinking gotta be Bernie this time around"
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I think we are gonna need another populist movement on the other side of the spectrum. Granted i am hoping these short tax returns and such will make Trump's base of lower-class realize he is not for them and this Make America Great Again bullshit really only trickles to his rich base that these folks might switch sides, but who knows. If not Bernie then i'm with Biden or Beto. Pretty much any democratic with the "B" on the front of their name i am with it.

  

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124. "Tulsi Gabbard"
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125. "20 Reasons Bernie Sanders Is The One To Beat Trump (*Backed By Data)"
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20 Reasons Bernie Sanders Is The One To Beat Trump In 2020 (*Backed By Data)

Brian Hanley
Sep 25, 2018


1. He’s on track to win the 2020 primaries.
If New Hampshire’s 2020 primary were held tomorrow, polls show Bernie Sanders edging out former VP Joe Biden by 7 points. But Sanders is more than the frontrunner in the first scheduled primary of 2020, he also has a higher probability of defeating Donald Trump than any other potential candidate. According to the most recent polls, Sanders commands the largest lead over Trump, followed by Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren.

2. He’s the most likely to win the Electoral College.
Most notably, Sanders can capture the must-win battleground states that Clinton failed to. In 2016, he upset Clinton in both Michigan and Wisconsin, which in the general election she desperately needed to win, but capitulated. Sanders would have won both states, as he did in the primaries. After all, he defeated Clinton by a total of 152,337 votes in Michigan and Wisconsin. Clinton lost both to Trump by a total of 33,452 votes. Had Sanders been the nominee, Dems would have won both by a margin of ≈100k.

That alone would have deprived Trump of 26 electoral votes, reducing his grand total of 304 down to just 278. Remember, 270 is what’s needed to win it all. Sanders, as the 2020 nominee, could nearly deny Trump the presidency by turning blue two states that he’s already won. He also has the popularity to flip Pennsylvania and Ohio. Even Trump’s personal pollster, Tony Fabrizio, concedes, “I think Sanders beats Trump.” Sanders has “the ability to reach a lot of the less than college-educated, low-income white voters.”

3. He’s the most popular politician in the country.
While Trump broke the record for the worst favorability ratings of any nominee in history, Sanders maintains the highest favorability scores of any elected official. Sanders continues to be the most popular politician in the country by a large margin. He’s the only one on either side who the majority of voters like. Even a Fox News survey found that no other politician was more well liked and most Republicans say that he’s honest.

4. The kids are crazy about him.
While Sanders remains admired across demographic groups, he’s most competitive due to his record-shattering popularity with young people. In the Michigan primary, 81 percent of young Democratic voters cast their ballots for Sanders; in New Hampshire, 83 percent did. Sanders turned out more young people in the primaries than Obama did in 2008, receiving more votes from young people than Clinton and Trump combined.

5. He’s a savage on social media.
To beat Trump, Democrats need to run a candidate who can compete with the President’s enormous social media influence. One of Sanders’ secret weapons is the digital media empire he’s built with the help of his Media Producer, Armand Aviram, formerly a politics producer at NowThis. Sanders uploads thousands of originally produced videos to his social media channels, in which he and other progressives champion major issues like Medicare for All. Some of his more scripted videos feature Sanders talking directly to camera. However, it’s not uncommon for Sanders and Aviram to strike viral gold completely serendipitously. For example, when Jim Carrey recently appeared on HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher, the actor described the benefits of Canada’s healthcare system. Within hours, Aviram sprang into action, cutting the video into a shareable package that was distributed across the Senator’s platforms. Within 10 days, the video garnered over 12 million views on Facebook alone. At the top of the video was a NowThis-style title that read: “Jim Carrey Explains Universal Healthcare.”

Sanders’ team first developed and refined this approach during the 2016 primaries. When a bird landed on Sanders’ podium in Portland, his digital team converted the once-in-a-lifetime moment into viral multimedia and an online fundraising windfall.


Sanders and Aviram understand that while a live speech like Carrey’s can influence the millions watching in real time, capturing that moment and turning it into a viral video can reach tens of millions more in the days ahead. Aviram uses text cards (or subtitles) in his videos to convey the most important messages, while allowing viewers to follow along with their volume off, which most viewers prefer. It’s the ripple effect that social media enabled, and the production techniques that Sanders’ team perfected, that allow a moment like Carrey’s to live on and even reach a targeted audience segment.

6. He’s the undisputed leader of the progressive movement.
Sanders and Aviram have not only hacked virality, but they have also seen their content move the needle politically. Their videos and live streams many times eclipse the major cable news networks in terms of viewership. It’s all online, like the bulk of Sanders’ fundraising. Coincidence or consequence, his videos have hit billions of views, while at the very same time, support for the Senator’s trademark policies such as Medicare for All have skyrocketed. Not long after Sanders hosted a town hall to discuss universal Medicare, which 1.1 million people live streamed, polls found a seismic shift in public support for the program. 70 percent of Americans now support it, compared to 53 percent who supported it in 2017. Supporting Medicare for All, which Sanders pushed relentlessly into the mainstream, is now practically a prerequisite to running in 2020.

7. His supporters are as passionate as anyone’s.
Enthusiasm matters in elections and Trump’s base is clearly fired up for 2020. You need a candidate who can match that energy and so far, Sanders is the only one who can surpass it. He attracts larger rallies than the next two presidential hopefuls combined.

It’s not all about cult of personality either. Sanders has a long history of talking about, and fighting for, the issues that most Americans care about. Voters have caught on to the influence big money has on our politics. They know that politicians represent the people, or too often, the special interests, that fund their political campaigns. When it comes to tackling big issues like climate change, voters trust Sanders’ integrity.

8. He’s the king of grassroots fundraising.
At a time when 77 percent of Americans want to get money out of politics, Sanders has established the political purity test for progressives by not accepting a single dollar from special interests and depending instead on small individual donations. He raised more individual campaign contributions in his 2016 bid for president than any other candidate in US history. No other Democratic candidate is less reliant on big money and more in command of a grassroots fundraising army. It’s going to take, not only the passion of his diehard base, but also cold hard cash to stop Trump. Sanders can raise more money than any other candidate without taking a dollar from special interests.

9. His message resonates with Trump voters.
Sanders beats Trump on grassroots fundraising, but he also beats him on messaging. Trump’s whole message is that he’s the only one capable of taking on the establishment. That’s a much harder sell when your opponent is Bernie Sanders, the guy who can’t be bought and never once took a dollar from the NRA or fossil fuel industry.

10. He’s a leading voice on environmental justice.
According to the latest polls, 91 percent of Democrats say they worry a great deal or fair amount about global warming. Millennials worry about it more than any other issue. Across political parties and ideologies, 70 percent of Americans want the government to take “aggressive action” on climate change. Sanders’ plan to invest in clean, sustainable energy and create millions of jobs in the process, stands in stark contrast to Trump’s insistence that climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese.

11. He has more experience and organizational readiness than the rest of the field.
Sanders has unique experience as a Mayor, Congressman, Senator and former Presidential candidate. He’s already been vetted on the national stage. He’s been through most of the presidential election process, knows how to debate and knows how to secure delegates. He couldn’t have a more robust grassroots infrastructure in place and ready to mobilize. He has one of the most valuable email lists in all of politics. He has everything he had at the end of his presidential bid and everything he’s built since.

12. He has crossover appeal that his competitors lack.
As Sanders’ former campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, put it, “If you look at the sentiment of the people, nobody wins the presidency with just the people in your own party.” Sanders has “an incredible strength” in his “unique appeal” to independent voters, and even former Trump voters. It’s his crossover appeal that makes Sanders so dangerous.

“Yeah but he’s not even a Democrat.” Democrats must consider whether this is precisely why he’s so popular. More Americans identify as independents than Democrats or Republicans, so why not run one, especially at a time when the Democratic Party is the least popular it’s been in 25 years and Sanders offers an opportunity to change that?

13. He may not be a Dem, but he’s given Dems life.
Despite being an independent, Sanders remains the prominent voice in the Democratic field. He’s spent the last two years campaigning for progressive down-ballot candidates, introducing legislation to protect American workers and holding Trump accountable. He, more than any other American, popularized issues like universal healthcare, marijuana legalization and tuition free college while simultaneously destigmatizing socialism. The fact that even most Republicans now support Medicare for All is a remarkable development. It means there’s bipartisan support for one of Sanders’ trademark policies.

14. He’s stronger than ever due to the DNC’s reforms.
Looking ahead to the next primary, superdelegates will play a diminished role, which is gamechanger for Sanders. Aside from Clinton herself, superdelegates were the biggest obstacle Sanders faced in the 2016 primary. The Associated Press called the primary contest for Clinton days before California, the nation’s most delegate-rich state, even had a chance to vote, basing its decision on the superdelegates’ support for Clinton.

In 2020, Sanders can rest assured that the superdelegates won’t tip the scales in his opponent’s favor. Since passing sweeping reforms in August, the Democratic Party decided superdelegates will no longer be allowed to vote on the first ballot, meaning they can no longer determine electoral outcomes, except in contested conventions.

15. He may be in his 70’s, but so too are his main competitors.
Since Sanders has few others, his biggest perceived challenge in 2020 will be his age. He’ll be 79 on Inauguration Day 2021, but Biden will be 78 and Trump will be 74. Hillary Clinton will be 73 and Elizabeth Warren, 71. All the frontrunners will be in their 70’s.

16. He may be old and white, but minorities like him.
Another perceived challenge will be that he’s an older white man. But 73 percent of registered black voters and 68 percent of hispanic voters view Sanders favorably. Plus, Sanders has a proven track record of fighting racial and economic inequality. In the 1960s, he marched with Martin Luther King, Jr. and was arrested protesting segregation.

17. He may be a socialist, but so too are growing numbers of Americans.
“Bernie’s a socialist. America isn’t ready for that…” Actually, the numbers tell a rather different story. According to Gallup, more Democrats now approve of socialism than capitalism. And Millennials say they’d rather live in a socialist country than a capitalist one. Sanders has effectively destigmatized the socialist label. While all Democrats may not yet embrace Democratic Socialism, the vast majority do support Sanders’ policies.

18. He’s authentic.
Sanders, who’s known for straight talk and uncombed hair, isn’t slick like traditional politicians. As Paul Farhi of The Washington Post writes, Sanders is “too busy conjuring Big Ideas to care about such trivialities as clothes and hair.” In that way, he’s a unique antidote to Trump: he too defies certain political norms in a way that excites the public.

Last time Sanders ran, he was still the most popular candidate, but he didn’t have the national profile he enjoys today. The fact that he’s remained as well liked as he has, while becoming as well known as he has, is a rare feat indeed considering the amount of mudslinging and divisiveness in modern American politics. Sanders, who’s critical of Republicans and Democrats alike, stands out as one of the few authentic voices in an otherwise broken two party system that he insists requires a political revolution to fix.

19. He represents the change most Americans want.
American workers are sick and tired of a political and economic establishment that for decades failed to deliver. They want a candidate with the guts to take on the rich and powerful, someone who can’t be bought, someone who will fight for them, at all costs.

20. His interest in running isn’t for the power, it’s for the people.
When asked whether or not his former boss would run for the presidency again, Jeff Weaver said, “He’s very focused on the question of beating Trump and putting a Democrat in the White House. And if he runs it’s because he thinks he’s the one to do it.”


hyperlinked article - https://medium.com/@brianhanley_41165/20-reasons-bernie-sanders-is-the-one-to-beat-trump-in-2020-backed-by-data-593b0ad179e4?fbclid=IwAR1XBNOvbmhjg2W6RvHZrbTmPYcCQyw7BMWMBUAWFU2VtL7gq5COXb-5k_s

  

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167. "yea he's clearly the candidate the people are behind."
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Unfortunately - the DNC doesn't (and won't) see it that way and will throw up as many hurdles as they can.

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127. "I hope Dems learned something in 2020."
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If the GOP doesn't run anyone against Trump, he will be a strong candidate regardless of the scandals and mess that follows him. If he's not in prison, Trump can win. He's a contender. And that's not even taking into account that he's willing to accept the help of foreign actors to win.

An aside: one such foreign actor, Russia, is an enemy of the United States that targeted the Democratic Party, Clinton, the BLACK community (and others), in order to influence the election and put Trump in office. It was an orchestrated attack. Sanders voting record regarding Russia is a bridge too far for me, whatever hairs he wants to split about it. Just my personal opinion.

I want to see Democrats do more to ensure and demonstrate that the 2020 election will be secure and fair--and that there's a plan of action to combat voter suppression.

All of the Dems that are running so far will struggle in a general election, whether the candidate is Trump or another Republican. As of today, I think the general election will be close.

Already, the messaging and framing the Republicans have floated about the Democrat Party and the Democrats running for 2020 have been effective. The messaging that Schultz trotted out should be a troubling sign, too.

I haven't seen any of the Democrat candidates address the positioning of Schultz effectively.

Especially if there's no Republican Trump challenger, Democrats will have an opportunity to give disenchanted Republicans something and someone to vote for. If that's overlooked or not taken seriously, 2016 will repeat in the sense that a lot of people will feel they don't have have anyone to vote for and some of those votes will go to Trump or get split in ways that won't help a Democrat because the bottom line will be: "I don't like the Democrat and I can't vote for them, either."

Progressivism or whatever else far leftist positioning is NOT going to win a general election.

What's remarkable to me is that some moderate Republicans and Republicans who've left their party have told Democrats, on national TV, how to win the election if the COMMON goal is to defeat Trump.

Democrats should listen. Lead this damn country and give us someone to vote for. I don't think anyone running is the right candidate. But. All kinds of things can happen. Who knows what will happen or who will run.

I think Eric Holder would be a great president, but I know that's not realistic. He's potentially as polarizing as Hillary. I'd like to maybe see a Stacy Abrams as VP.

I want Democrats to think about if they want to defeat Trump or if they want _____________ policy. If they want power, then they better focus on defeating Trump. If Democrats have to move center or more right of center to do it, then do it. That's not a sin and it's not selling out.

We live in a country where people love ACA but hate Obamacare and vote for candidates who want to repeal it and stop socialism.

I just want the Dems to come with a realistic strategy for 2020.

  

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133. "this is the real problem:"
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>We live in a country where people love ACA but hate Obamacare
>and vote for candidates who want to repeal it and stop
>socialism.

people in red states overwhelmingly approved a lot of liberal policies via ballot measure last midterms...then also voted for conservative politicians sworn to block/repeal those same policies.

i dont even know what the remedy is for a population that dumbed down.

no amount of superior policy proposal can fix that. dems could lay out a program that would put $1k/mth in peoples pocket and add 10 years to their lifespan...and repubs would find a way to create a scare around it and get half the country or more not vote against it.

every popular govt program today was called socialism and resisted by republicans. then when they eventually pass...people love them and republicans move on to calling something else socialism and people fall for it again for a while.

ronald reagan literally recorded an album just to bash social security and medicare...saying shit like medicare will lead to a socialist dictatorship (sound familiar?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Speaks_Out_Against_Socialized_Medicine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bejdhs3jGyw

democrats need to front page this silly shit to show the repetitive fearmongering repubs have engaged in around socialism...and more importantly...how beloved the policies are that they fearmongered against. basically 'if repubs call it socialism...its almost guaranteed to be good for you'.


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135. "Good points but where were these moderates"
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In 2016?

Trump is exactly who he said he would be.

After 2016, I simply don’t believe in this idea
that moderate republicans will save us.

Especially if their 401K is growing.

So why should we listen to a few of them on TV?


  

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141. "for what its worth crossover republicans handed the dems"
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several crucial districts along with an arizona senate seat (and a majority democratic house delegation) in 2018. most likely the governors mansion in wisconsin too.

moderate republican stronghold orange county went full dem in one fell swoop too.

dems are gonna have to do well in those romney-clinton suburbs again if theyre gonna have any chance of success in 2020.

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143. "RE: for what its worth crossover republicans handed the dems"
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2016 has me fucked up man.

So is that on Hil?

  

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145. "very likely. republicans have had decades worth of hate for clinton."
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so a lot of them might have disliked trump...but they couldnt stand the thought of hillary.

you want some prime bubble breaking? (this surprised me too)

moderate/conservative democrats were more likely to be #neverhillary than super liberals. repubs/indies naturally were too.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1098651547129573376


seeing how the rust belt (except for ohio) and moderate suburbs swung back so sharply in dems favor in 2017/2018...it might have just been the candidate at the top of the ticket.

im starting to question whether the 'progressive' vs establishment rift is even that deep outside of online arguments and thinkpieces. cuz when pelosi was up for speaker...she was just about unanimously supported by progressives (even those that criticized her on the campaign trail). her challenges came from conservadems to her right.

and a higher percentage of bernie voters voted for hillary in 2016 than hillary voters who voted for obama in 2008.
https://twitter.com/RealTimBlack/status/1094997284348223488

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157. "It's 1,000x more exaggerated on Twitter/online"
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>im starting to question whether the 'progressive' vs
>establishment rift is even that deep outside of online
>arguments and thinkpieces. cuz when pelosi was up for
>speaker...she was just about unanimously supported by
>progressives (even those that criticized her on the campaign
>trail). her challenges came from conservadems to her right.
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>and a higher percentage of bernie voters voted for hillary in
>2016 than hillary voters who voted for obama in 2008.
>https://twitter.com/RealTimBlack/status/1094997284348223488

Like obviously there are differences and arguments people will have, but nobody (in my experience at least) gets as bad IRL as they do online.

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131. "Warren"
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What?

  

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132. "fam we have some legit idiots on our side:"
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https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1098942436674584576

dude been in congress 2 decades and still came up with this shit?

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136. "Meh. that could be a chess move. "
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We could stand to not have him in the democratic primary. And if he ran as an independent, you would think at some point he would realize he is a spoiler and eventually have to drop out.


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137. "crazy talk. "
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138. "It's a chess move in the way that knocking over your own king"
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and walking out of the room is a chess move.

If you want 100% of Bernie's supporters to not vote for the Dem nominee, that'd be how you do it.

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144. "Lol"
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146. "we never learn."
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139. "btw howard schultz book came out less than a month ago "
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and he is barely in the top 500 at amazon now lol.

only 12% of voters view him favorably...and its pretty even across all party affiliations.
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1096062416419471362

getting everyone of every political denomination to hate you at the exact same level is a pretty remarkable feat.

and the head of his pr/presidential campaign was last seen storming off *his own* podcast when asked about the schultz rollout (and eventually killing the podcast altogether).
https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-schmidt-storms-off-own-podcast-when-asked-about-advising-howard-schultz

iono if this is/was a real presidential campaign or just a marketing ploy to sell books...but its been an absolute failure either way.

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140. "i saw clips of his townhall"
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dude sounds stupid. no solutions at all. just "i dont think thats the way to solve it"

hopefully he goes away soon.

  

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142. "yeah im not even sure what the point of all of this was."
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dude started out trying to be the sensible middle of the road candidate.

then transformed overnight into a fox news dem basher with zero proposed solutions. just everything else is terrible and i can fix it.

its kinda crazy that dude has watched 2 years of trumps presidency...and decided the biggest threat to america is aoc raising his taxes and bernie keep americans healthy at an affordable cost.

the fact that cnn gave him his own town hall and he isnt even officially a candidate is part of the reason we ended up here (and thats prolly not even in the top 5 terrible things cnn has done in this early year alone).

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147. "Surprised Klobuchar isn't getting more burn from the moderate/centrist"
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subscribers

I caught most of her town hall and thought she came off very authentic

Really appreciated the honesty of telling a college crowd that she wasn't for free 4 year college

I even liked her answers IRT M4A and the GND

She sees them as goals and is more focused on what can get passed immediately to move toward those goals

Really liked her presence

I don't think Trump would be able to land any blows on her...and she doesn't seem to be the type to engage in a back and forth

Basically, she would be the adult in the room

Anyway, just wondering why the dem voting block that wants to nominate a centrist/moderate aren't championing her campaign

She fits the bill to a T.

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148. "I’m wondering the same"
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She could also potentially help in the Midwest.


  

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149. "'never trump' republicans have all been propping her up a lot lately."
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in unison.

https://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/1093235663875526657
https://twitter.com/GeorgeWill/status/1090989156690526208
https://twitter.com/SethAMandel/status/1098735864115544064
https://twitter.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1095028330691203072
(charlie sykes new rag)
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1097682749857632256
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1097572307269234688

seeing as how nothing they do is in good faith...this should worry anyone looking to support her lol.

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150. "Never been a fan of attacking the messenger"
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Do you disagree with the sentiment of those statements?

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153. "Why would a bunch of McCain/Romney voters support a Dem?"
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Remember, these are people who thought Hillary Clinton was too lefty for their tastes, despite being exactly the kind of Democrat these people supposedly would support against someone like Trump (competent, not super ideological, pragmatic reputation.) Instead they chose someone who was supposedly the embodiment of a party that had "lost it's way."

Either they're hyping her because they don't think she can beat Trump, or they're hoping for someone who will govern like a cross between second term Bill Clinton and pre-9/11 George W Bush. No thanks.

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154. "I missed the post where 'these people' suggest they are switching partie..."
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to vote for Klobuchar...?

What I read was some insight from 'these people' into how she appears to pose a serious threat to a Trumpster re-election

You're implying 'these people' got together and decided in fact she was the weakest candidate and they will appear to cower at her potential election victory as a clandestine activity to sink the democrats chance in 2020...FOH

Let me know which one of the links you disagree with

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155. "No I'm not"
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>You're implying 'these people' got together and decided in
>fact she was the weakest candidate and they will appear to
>cower at her potential election victory as a clandestine
>activity to sink the democrats chance in 2020...FOH

Nobody's suggesting anyone got together and secretly planned anything. Just that they have absolutely nothing to lose if Trump gets reelected (and might in fact enjoy such a thing,) so maybe the Democratic electorate would be better served listening to someone else.

And why the attempt at scare quotes around "these people?"

Oh, as far as which one of those I disagree with, some of them are literally just saying "she could be a strong candidate," which isn't really much. It's like asking if you disagree with someone saying "I like fries."

But since you asked, I specifically disagree with the Bulwark's tweet (there aren't enough conservatives actually looking for an alternative to Trump to make any kind of an electoral difference,) Morning Joe (the greatest difference in temperament might be Booker or Gillibrand at this point, if anything she sounds more Trumpy the more stuff comes out about how she treats her staff) and Meghan McCain (you aren't a "bad bitch" because you call up your soon-to-be former employee's next employer to try and get them to rescind the offer or tell your staff it's their fault you're not more well known, you're just a petty asshole.)

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158. "RE: she could be a strong candidate"
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Right, which is the impression I was left with, hence the reply I posted

"But since you asked, I specifically disagree with the Bulwark's tweet (there aren't enough conservatives actually looking for an alternative to Trump to make any kind of an electoral difference,)"

Maybe not, but the article specifically speaks to those that are anti-Trump
I agree that she appears to have the gravity for those voters

"Morning Joe (the greatest difference in temperament might be Booker or Gillibrand at this point, if anything she sounds more Trumpy the more stuff comes out about how she treats her staff)"

I disagree
Klobuchar has a poise that makes me feel like she won't get down in the mud with Trump
Booker definitely will, and I think that won't play this cycle

"Meghan McCain (you aren't a "bad bitch" because you call up your soon-to-be former employee's next employer to try and get them to rescind the offer or tell your staff it's their fault you're not more well known, you're just a petty asshole.)"

No doubt, some of it fosho come off petty...but...
It feels like this is the gotcha topic on Klobuchar
She's a real bitch to work for...feels sexist in that I'm sure I could find any number of similar stories about male candidates
It's also an interesting contrast to the previous D POTUS candidate and campaign
But, if that's the biggest knock on her...she's a tough boss to work for...I think it works in her favor that there aren't larger blemishes

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159. "She's not a tough boss, she's an abusive boss"
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Does your boss regularly throw things around the office? Or make you wash their dishes or (rumored, but never nailed down, but also widespread enough that the writers of Veep had heard about it) shave their legs? Or blame you for problems in their marriage? Or go out of their way to call your next employer to demean you?

If so, I'm sorry, but you have a shitty boss and should leave.

And of course there are asshole men in politics who also treated their staff badly. But this isn't a gender thing. From today's NYT article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html

"While there was wide consensus in the interviews that women were often held to a different standard as bosses, former aides — female and male — said their concerns about Ms. Klobuchar’s behavior should not be dismissed as gender bias. Many of the aides said they had worked for both men and women, for lawmakers both compassionate and unkind, without encountering anyone else like Ms. Klobuchar."

She's routinely has some of the highest staff turnover of anyone in Congress since day one. It's bad and there's no reason to hand wave it away.

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151. "I've voted for her twice and think she's (mostly) a decent Senator"
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and I would absolutely not vote for her in the primary.

If the stuff about the way she treats her staff wasn't disqualifying (and it is, abusing and retaliating against people isn't "just being tough" or whatever she's spinning it as,) her complete contempt for anyone even remotely to her left and constant desire to seek approval from Republicans is completely the wrong approach for the next president. She thinks because she does well among conservative-leaning independents in Minnesota that the GOP is a reasonable party that just has some minor differences of opinion, but shares a common understanding of this country.

They do not, no matter how many rich people from Wayzata vote for her when the GOP barely even gives her an opponent.

To be clear, I don't expect, or even hope, that the Dem nominee shares my exact policy goals. But at the very least, you need to understand the nature of the GOP. Warren, Harris, Sanders, even Gillibrand all seem to. Klobuchar doesn't.

And according to the NYT, she ate salad with a comb.

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163. "Appreciate the insight"
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At first I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt
on the temper/abuse stories simply because they
initially felt like hit pieces.

Plus, to be honest, I’ve experienced first hand how
surprisingly abrasive midwestern white women can
be lol.

But the stories are piling up- way past sarcasm.

And I obviously didn’t know her approach to the GOP.


Again, thanks for the insight

  

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152. "some of those quotes from the NYT story today tho..."
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I haven't read anything truly disqualifying yet, but it's gonna be awkward if she starts talking about labor rights on the campaign trail

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156. "The maternity policy is insane"
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And sounds like something cooked up by Paul Ryan after he got particularly excited by a late night Ayn Rand binge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html

Among other concerns, her office’s paid parental leave policy has been described as unusual on Capitol Hill. Two people familiar with the policy said that those who took paid leave were effectively required, once they returned, to remain with the office for three times as many weeks as they had been gone. The policy, outlined in an employee handbook, called for those who left anyway to pay back money earned during the weeks they were on leave.

After receiving questions about the policy from The Times, Ms. Klobuchar’s office said it would be revised. “We offer 12 weeks of paid maternity and paternity leave for our staff and have one of the strongest paid leave policies in the Senate,” said a spokeswoman, Elana Ross. “We’ve never made staff pay back any of their leave and will be changing that language in the handbook.” She declined to provide a copy of the current policy as written.

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168. "Hickenlooper is running"
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169. "I am not a Bernie Fan but this is soo stupid"
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https://twitter.com/MrDane1982/status/1102364457970348035


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170. "Where did the Bernie is not for black folks narrative come from?"
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I assume he's at least on the same level of pro-blackness as any other candidate. But this seems to be a sticking point just for him

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171. "I mean, he tries to defend white racist voters. But they are voters. "
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The depolorables comment was bad news for HRC. And Kamala and Corey B can't come out and say Trump is racist for the same reason.


But people act like that picture is proof that dude hates black people which is crazy.


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176. "RE: Where did the Bernie is not for black folks narrative come from?"
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Not sure if this is where it started, but do you remember John Lewis' comments about 'never seeing, or meeting' Bernie at civil rights marches last cycle?

https://imgur.com/gallery/pHnRuDB

this one went viral

https://thesystemsscientist.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/bernie-sanders-50th-anniversary-selma-march.jpg

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173. "RE: I am not a Bernie Fan but this is soo stupid"
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Agreed. So much can be up to interpretation. Facts are coming through this time thankfully.

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174. "That's 1 of the dumbest tweets I've ever seen (which is saying something..."
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175. "She could be telling a waiter to hurry up with her food in that photo"
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or that she has hot sauce in her bag.

shut up already, damn

  

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177. "LMAO!"
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178. "Definitely. And the replies too. Save the link"
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Cuz when Trump is re-elected, it will be hilarisad to review how it happened.


** Disclaimer for certain folks...my point isn't about Bernie. At all. My point is about the left eating each other over stupid things. Oh, and loony Hillary stans that call her Madam President and think a photo proves something on either side**

  

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179. "He's uncomfortable around people in general."
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Larry David's impression of him is totally accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4tP7ogWIA

  

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180. "Is there anyone that would see this and be convinced"
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that it's evidence he hates black people?

2016 broke some people's brains.

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183. "Am I missing something?"
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I'm not even sure what that photo is supposed to be proving

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191. "Come on Adwhizz"
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The picture is saying Hillary is comfortable around Black folks and Bernie is the awkward old white guy around Black folks.

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207. "That's a pretty big reach based off looking at an image that"
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represents a fraction of a second

I've shot weddings/parties and can find a bunch of random out of context shots of people looking crazy/angry/disinterested/etc...

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