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"Why don't Christians have a name for their God?"


  

          

All the other religions have a specific name beyond just God. Why not Christianity? What seperates them from the pack? Why? Can you find alternate names for God in the Bible? Christians in particular I direct this to you as we will be referencing the so called New Testament (written in Greek) not the Old Testament (written in Hebrew) as that was taken from the Torah so we'll allow that name to go to the Jews (blacks) and the Jewish (converts). That being said do you notice the abscence of a name from the New Testament moving forward? Please build.

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RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?
Aug 12th 2005
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They do
Aug 13th 2005
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RE: They do
Aug 13th 2005
4
No they don't. I'm surprised how stupid people are.
Aug 15th 2005
12
not true...
Aug 15th 2005
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      RE: not true...
Aug 16th 2005
49
Jesus is the Sun... and he told his own apostles never...
Aug 15th 2005
11
If you are surprised at the stupidity of people, perhaps
Aug 15th 2005
20
      I spelled Sun correctly... perhaps you stop trying to be a smartass
Aug 15th 2005
32
           RE: I spelled Sun correctly... perhaps you stop trying to be a smartass
Aug 15th 2005
42
                Stay focused...
Aug 15th 2005
43
                     Why don't you just explain?
Aug 15th 2005
45
then u gotta explain the trinity
Aug 15th 2005
28
No.... cause when Christ was on the cross, that trinity shit wasn't work...
Aug 15th 2005
33
I'LL explain the trinity RIGHT NOW:
Aug 16th 2005
66
      well wouldn't that make all the jesus stuff moot?
Aug 16th 2005
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      RE: well wouldn't that make all the jesus stuff moot?
Aug 16th 2005
71
      Biblical Trinity
Aug 16th 2005
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           in a nutshell...
Aug 23rd 2005
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                You sound like one of Manson's Groovy Goonies... I mean...
Aug 23rd 2005
213
by the way...this thread shows how fucking ludicrous Christianity is
Aug 19th 2005
158
Since when do Christians "think"?
Aug 13th 2005
2
which religions name their gods?
Aug 13th 2005
5
"I AM"
Aug 13th 2005
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not only his name came from man
Aug 13th 2005
9
no, you did not read...
Aug 16th 2005
67
even that isn't true...
Aug 15th 2005
13
      You're demonstrably incorrect...
Aug 16th 2005
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      Thank you for so eloquently stating facts
Aug 17th 2005
85
      Pure bullshit... here's why.
Aug 17th 2005
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      WHOA! my fault.
Aug 19th 2005
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      Wrong
Aug 24th 2005
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      Wrong
Aug 24th 2005
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      Wrong
Aug 24th 2005
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           Okay then... what about the New Testament?
Aug 25th 2005
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                RE: Okay then... what about the New Testament?
Aug 31st 2005
315
                     Um... sure whatever you say.
Sep 01st 2005
318
RE: which religions name their gods?
Aug 15th 2005
31
      Um... okay... your the only Muslim in the world using ilah...
Aug 15th 2005
34
B/C Arabs don't speak english nm
Aug 13th 2005
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RE: B/C Arabs don't speak english nm
Aug 15th 2005
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      allah = god in ARABIC
Aug 16th 2005
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RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?
Aug 13th 2005
7
Actually (supposedly).....
Aug 15th 2005
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simple question...
Aug 15th 2005
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Not being a smart ass...
Aug 15th 2005
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      Not you... your on point...
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: Actually (supposedly).....
Aug 15th 2005
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As Phonte would say....C'mon Dawg
Aug 15th 2005
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Ma'at... .Melchezedek... sounds like someone is on point...
Aug 15th 2005
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Moses (musa) did not write the ten commandments...
Aug 15th 2005
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      They came from God???
Aug 24th 2005
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           yeah brightspot... God... you know the whole 40days 40nights.
Aug 25th 2005
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                they are man-made
Aug 31st 2005
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                     but the laws came from God...
Aug 31st 2005
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                          No...the 10 Commandments came from God, the other laws
Aug 31st 2005
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                               Okay then... tell me exactly where in the Bible doese it make that disti...
Aug 31st 2005
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                                    for example: Mark 10, Jesus was being hounded by pharisees
Aug 31st 2005
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                                         Not good... give me the direct example...
Aug 31st 2005
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Written by Moses????
Aug 22nd 2005
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      RE: Written by Moses????
Aug 23rd 2005
185
actually that's judaism.. .not christianity...
Aug 15th 2005
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      The problem here is your premise, barring those green bible
Aug 16th 2005
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...isn't it just the singular usage of the word 'God'?
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: ...isn't it just the singular usage of the word 'God'?
Aug 15th 2005
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      so what's 'Yaweh' translated into modern english?
Aug 15th 2005
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      RE: so what's 'Yaweh' translated into modern english?
Aug 15th 2005
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      RE: ...isn't it just the singular usage of the word 'God'?
Aug 15th 2005
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           i think
Aug 15th 2005
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isnt it "LORD"????
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: isnt it "LORD"????
Aug 15th 2005
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anyone else use "Lord"?
Aug 15th 2005
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      me and my fam do.......
Aug 18th 2005
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Lord? Nah... not a name... a title.. and one used extensively at that t...
Aug 15th 2005
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      Lord Vader...
Aug 16th 2005
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depends on the translation
Aug 15th 2005
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it does matter... cause how many Gods you praying to bruh?
Aug 15th 2005
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      1. i'm a woman
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?
Aug 15th 2005
47
We do? Why? We can't even figure out who's giving it to us... ha.
Aug 16th 2005
54
That's Eloheem... and that's the Old Testament - Hebrew...
Aug 16th 2005
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The God of the OT is the the same God of the new testament n/m
Aug 16th 2005
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Ohhh caller... I'm sorry but you did not answer the question...
Aug 16th 2005
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      There is no need to answer your question. OT God = NT God
Aug 16th 2005
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RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?
Aug 16th 2005
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Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew...
Aug 16th 2005
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      RE: Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew...
Aug 16th 2005
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      RE: Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew...
Aug 16th 2005
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      RE: Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew...
Aug 16th 2005
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           Um, what about the question itself?
Aug 16th 2005
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           RE: Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew...
Aug 25th 2005
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                umm... okay
Aug 25th 2005
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      Um... your wrong potnah... the Old Testament comes from the Torah...
Aug 16th 2005
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      RE: Um... your wrong potnah... the Old Testament comes from the Torah...
Aug 16th 2005
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           Sun, we can discuss the supreme alphabet all day...
Aug 17th 2005
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      cosign
Aug 16th 2005
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      Well, keep in mind that the GOD of the
Aug 16th 2005
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           RE: Well, keep in mind that the GOD of the
Aug 16th 2005
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           I'm not asking for your philosophy on Christianity...
Aug 17th 2005
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           My brother, I'm not trying to be confrontational, but you
Aug 17th 2005
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                I know your not... but this doesn't answer the question at all...
Aug 17th 2005
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           This is theory... cause I could easily say...
Aug 17th 2005
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                Okay...
Aug 17th 2005
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                     lol...
Aug 17th 2005
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                          This is a damn shame.
Aug 17th 2005
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                          RE: This is a damn shame.
Aug 17th 2005
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                          Ah, now we come to the 'activism'
Aug 17th 2005
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                          I thought I specified Revelation Chapter 19...
Aug 17th 2005
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                               bet good look.. but this begs a better question...
Aug 17th 2005
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No he doesn't have a name
Aug 17th 2005
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okay great lead.. although the Sun does have a scientific name..
Aug 17th 2005
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So...what IS the sun's scientific name?
Aug 19th 2005
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      Sol
Aug 23rd 2005
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           Sol...a name that WE didn't come up with. Any ORIGINAL names?
Aug 23rd 2005
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                Exactly. White people got ya'll calling all the prophets fake names...
Aug 23rd 2005
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                regardless of what it is called, nobody is going to confuse the sun
Aug 23rd 2005
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                the fuck you talking about?
Aug 23rd 2005
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                     The Romans used sol...we didn't create our own name for the sun
Aug 23rd 2005
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                          What makes them Scientific?
Aug 23rd 2005
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                          the scientific community
Aug 23rd 2005
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                               we can call it what ya like... don't mean that's the end all be all...
Aug 23rd 2005
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                          and the Greeks used Helios... and the Egyptians used Ra... etc, etc.
Aug 23rd 2005
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                               Pretty much... there is no connection, just another tactic to defend bs
Aug 23rd 2005
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                               yep all these terms translate into what we would call The Sun
Aug 23rd 2005
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RE: No he doesn't have a name
Aug 17th 2005
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      RE: No he doesn't have a name
Aug 18th 2005
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      But you do that already... that's where the name GOD comes in...
Aug 18th 2005
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           RE: But you do that already... that's where the name GOD comes in...
Aug 18th 2005
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                True, but that doesn't answer the initial question...
Aug 18th 2005
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                     I'm in agreance with you.
Aug 18th 2005
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                          Namean...
Aug 18th 2005
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                          RE: I'm in agreance with you.
Aug 18th 2005
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                               RE: I'm in agreance with you.
Aug 18th 2005
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                               Exactly my question.
Aug 18th 2005
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                               But you saying it don't mean nothing. Prove it.
Aug 18th 2005
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                                    RE: But you saying it don't mean nothing. Prove it.
Aug 18th 2005
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                                         I hate to say this.. but this simply isn't true...
Aug 18th 2005
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                                              RE: I hate to say this.. but this simply isn't true...
Aug 18th 2005
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      RE: No he doesn't have a name
Aug 18th 2005
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      ACTUALLY
Aug 23rd 2005
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           Ok then... show me where in the New Testament God is reffered to
Aug 23rd 2005
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                RE: Ok then... show me where in the New Testament God is reffered to
Aug 23rd 2005
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                     His name, what is it in the NT and where is it located?
Aug 26th 2005
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                          RE: His name, what is it in the NT and where is it located?
Aug 26th 2005
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                               But Lord is a title, not a name... so it still holds true there is no na...
Aug 26th 2005
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There is a name.
Aug 17th 2005
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RE: There is a name.
Aug 17th 2005
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RE: There is a name.
Aug 17th 2005
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RE: There is a name.
Aug 17th 2005
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Actually Hebrews were born in Ethiopia.
Aug 18th 2005
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Of course we are... White Jews are Converts hence Jewish...
Aug 18th 2005
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      RE: Of course we are... White Jews are Converts hence Jewish...
Aug 18th 2005
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So the fact that God refers to him/herself as we in Genesis...
Aug 18th 2005
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      if so doesnt this refer to the Trinity?
Aug 18th 2005
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      Simple answer, and it isn't the Trinity as some believe...
Aug 18th 2005
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i was taught that it was "yahweh"
Aug 17th 2005
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RE: i was taught that it was "yahweh"
Aug 17th 2005
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RE: i was taught that it was "yahweh"
Aug 17th 2005
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Jesus wasn't Jewish... Jewish means 'Kind of Jew'
Aug 18th 2005
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RE: Jesus wasn't Jewish... Jewish means 'Kind of Jew'
Aug 18th 2005
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Hebrew is a language... the Jews are from Ethiopia... the real ones.
Aug 18th 2005
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      RE: Hebrew is a language... the Jews are from Ethiopia... the real ones.
Aug 18th 2005
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RE: Jesus wasn't Jewish... Jewish means 'Kind of Jew'
Aug 19th 2005
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and u know what...honestly all i know is the name "God"
Aug 18th 2005
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Okay but my question comes....
Aug 18th 2005
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whats the name of your God?
Aug 17th 2005
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RE: whats the name of your God?
Aug 18th 2005
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I AM
Aug 18th 2005
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Trinity this is good and all...
Aug 18th 2005
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      what would it take for you to believe
Aug 18th 2005
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whats the point of this post? anyway to indulge your highly
Aug 18th 2005
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I've asked this several times to no avail
Aug 18th 2005
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I take it back....it is interesting to see everyone's views.....
Aug 18th 2005
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Exactly, that is one way to look at it even though no one answered
Aug 18th 2005
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Interesting? Maybe...
Aug 18th 2005
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Ummmmm.
Aug 18th 2005
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RE: I've asked this several times to no avail
Aug 19th 2005
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Offensive to whom?
Aug 18th 2005
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      RE: Offensive to whom?
Aug 18th 2005
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           First off... Hebrew is a language...
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                RE: First off... Hebrew is a language...
Aug 18th 2005
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                     RE: First off... Hebrew is a language...
Aug 18th 2005
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                          RE: First off... Hebrew is a language...
Aug 19th 2005
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                               Why dont muslims have a name for their God.
Aug 19th 2005
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                               RE: Why dont muslims have a name for their God.
Aug 19th 2005
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                                    RE: Why dont muslims have a name for their God.
Aug 23rd 2005
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                                         well done.
Aug 30th 2005
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                                              Wait, you're satisfied with 'the Deity', but not 'the Lord'?
Aug 30th 2005
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                               Somebody with some understanding.
Aug 19th 2005
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The name is YHWH
Aug 19th 2005
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Here we go with THIS again:
Aug 19th 2005
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RE: Here we go with THIS again:
Aug 19th 2005
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      Explain how that is a bad translation n/m
Aug 19th 2005
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           He can't...not with any REAL logic anyway...
Aug 19th 2005
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           JEHOVAH is not quite right
Aug 19th 2005
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                Actually...
Aug 19th 2005
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                RE: Actually, you are still incorrect
Aug 19th 2005
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                THANK you!
Aug 23rd 2005
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                Tie this into the New Testament cause your purely referencing the Old...
Aug 24th 2005
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                     RE: Tie this into the New Testament cause your purely referencing the Ol...
Aug 24th 2005
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                          Show me in the New Testament where the word Kurious is used
Aug 25th 2005
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                               Acts 2:21 quoting Joel 2:32
Aug 25th 2005
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                                    Um, yes and no...
Aug 30th 2005
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                                         RE: Um, yes and no...
Aug 31st 2005
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PEACE
Aug 19th 2005
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      But, again.. the disconnect
Aug 22nd 2005
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           RE: But, again.. the disconnect
Aug 22nd 2005
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Question
Aug 19th 2005
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This feels like the Council of Nice
Aug 19th 2005
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a divisive spirit? Simply cause I don't agree... if that's the case.
Aug 22nd 2005
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      RE: a divisive spirit? Simply cause I don't agree... if that's the case...
Aug 22nd 2005
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           Motherfucker please... watch my rhetoric?
Aug 22nd 2005
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                RE: Motherfucker please... watch my rhetoric?
Aug 22nd 2005
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RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?
Aug 19th 2005
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RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?
Aug 19th 2005
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Point
Aug 19th 2005
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Your cocky spirit...
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      RE: Your cocky spirit...
Aug 19th 2005
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      LOL
Aug 19th 2005
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           Please explain what you mean by 'through his blood'
Aug 22nd 2005
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                RE: Please explain what you mean by 'through his blood'
Aug 22nd 2005
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      Everyone becomes a monk on religious posts... lol.
Aug 22nd 2005
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      RE: Everyone becomes a monk on religious posts... lol.
Aug 22nd 2005
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           very true.
Aug 23rd 2005
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      The trouble with this.
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           RE: The trouble with this.
Aug 22nd 2005
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           Finally...
Aug 23rd 2005
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           This is only a problem if the person is a complete stranger to you
Aug 23rd 2005
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                But I'm not Christian and would never want to be...
Aug 23rd 2005
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because the Christian God is like Clint Eastwood in the Dollars trilogy
Aug 23rd 2005
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hahahaha... word...
Aug 23rd 2005
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      RE: hahahaha... word...
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           RE: hahahaha... word...
Aug 23rd 2005
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           RE: hahahaha... word...
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                great points... question...
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                     RE: great points... question...
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                          RE: great points... question...
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                               RE: great points... question...
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                               Hmm... why lie?
Aug 23rd 2005
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                                    True
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what about Native American religions?
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Have you Noticed Something??? All these posts... and...
Aug 23rd 2005
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what would it take for you to believe, Aqua
Aug 23rd 2005
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You can't be serious.
Aug 23rd 2005
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      you're missing the point: what's in a name?
Aug 23rd 2005
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           there is a huge point.. there is a disconnect in the Bible...
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                RE: there is a huge point.. there is a disconnect in the Bible...
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                Too philisophical... and personal... give me something directly
Aug 24th 2005
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                     RE: Too philisophical... and personal... give me something directly
Aug 24th 2005
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                OT God: NT God :: young George Foreman: Foreman Grill George
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                     RE: OT God: NT God :: young George Foreman: Foreman Grill George
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The name ever child of God should CALL God...
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Nah... not sure about that... here's why...
Aug 24th 2005
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      RE: Nah... not sure about that... here's why...
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      RE: Nah... not sure about that... here's why...
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           RE: Nah... not sure about that... here's why...
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           Nah that's theory... give me something solid... even if I personally agr...
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      RE: Nah... not sure about that... here's why...
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           I completely disagree... does not mention the Trinity in Genesis.
Aug 25th 2005
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                RE: I completely disagree... does not mention the Trinity in Genesis.
Aug 25th 2005
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                     Still doesn't answer the question... when it comes to the Trinity
Aug 25th 2005
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Names of God in the New Testament.
Aug 24th 2005
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Man...
Aug 24th 2005
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Still don't answer the question...
Aug 25th 2005
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I cannot front...
Aug 25th 2005
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Exactly right... we can harmoniously discuss? lol.. a true welcomed ra...
Aug 25th 2005
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To answer the question.
Aug 25th 2005
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That's not true... cause in the Old Testament the commandments were laws...
Aug 25th 2005
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      RE: That's not true... cause in the Old Testament the commandments were ...
Aug 25th 2005
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           Ah, yeah there was a misunderstanding... we were saying the same thing.....
Aug 25th 2005
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                We cant "prove" it
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                But you see... this is where it gets a bit foolish... (no disrespect)
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                RE: Ah, yeah there was a misunderstanding... we were saying the same thi...
Aug 25th 2005
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                     Perhaps but there is a reason why Jews don't believe you...
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                          RE: Perhaps but there is a reason why Jews don't believe you...
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                               RE: Perhaps but there is a reason why Jews don't believe you...
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                                    RE: Perhaps but there is a reason why Jews don't believe you...
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                                    Very true... okay now... that being said...
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                                         RE: Very true... okay now... that being said...
Aug 26th 2005
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                                              hahaha... your dope Sun...
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                                    RE: Perhaps but there is a reason why Jews don't believe you...
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                                         RE: Perhaps but there is a reason why Jews don't believe you...
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                                         RE: Perhaps but there is a reason why Jews don't believe you...
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                                         Yeah but break it down to them... as far as the next post...
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                                         RE: Yeah but break it down to them... as far as the next post...
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                                         RE: Perhaps but there is a reason why Jews don't believe you...
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                                              I think you are in line with that they teach...
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                                                   RE: I think you are in line with that they teach...
Aug 26th 2005
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                                                        No worries your right on the target...
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                                         RE: Perhaps but there is a reason why Jews don't believe you...
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                                              well said.. .cause they were not perfect... however...
Aug 26th 2005
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                                                   I understand...
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                                         Hmmm... not sure.. .that's somewhat the point of most Jews...
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                                              RE: Hmmm... not sure.. .that's somewhat the point of most Jews...
Aug 26th 2005
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                                              Who are you referencing Jews? if so...
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                                              IN RESPONSE TO 2Real... #267
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                                                   If I can find it online, I'll post the 144,000 chart, breaks it down.
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                                                        not saying its correct thinking....
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                                                        Um, well...
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                                                        What a mind trick...
Aug 26th 2005
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                                                             true... but wouldn't the Koran then be more justified cause it's never.....
Aug 26th 2005
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                                                                  RE: true... but wouldn't the Koran then be more justified cause it's nev...
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                                                                       RE: true... but wouldn't the Koran then be more justified cause it's nev...
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                                                                            Apologies... okay now let's move on to Christ...
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                                                                                 RE: Apologies... okay now let's move on to Christ...
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                                                                                      Sounds good...
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                                                                                      I'm not sure...
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                                                                                      It's simple, we are not talking about Christ just yet...
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                                                                                      RE: It's simple, we are not talking about Christ just yet...
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                                                                                      So the answer is there is none. Let's move on to Christ then.
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                                                                                      RE: Sounds good...
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                                                                                      How so if it's the only book that's hasn't been touched?
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                                                                                      Sorry for the delayed response.
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                                              THIS...is BEAUTIFUL...
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This post...It should be sumin- archived or hidden?
Aug 30th 2005
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No... maybe you should read it before doing away with it...
Aug 31st 2005
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At first I thought; 'hide this now!'
Aug 31st 2005
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AHYH is God's name according 2 Exodus3:14-15 in hebrew
Aug 31st 2005
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But again, we need God's name from the New Testament not the OT
Sep 01st 2005
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1. "RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?"
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Im not a Christian but dont they believe Jesus is God. Hence their God's name would be Jesus wouldnt it?

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Nettrice
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3. "They do"
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>Im not a Christian but dont they believe Jesus is God. Hence
>their God's name would be Jesus wouldnt it?

Yes.

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BarTek
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4. "RE: They do"
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I think it's totally silly.

shrug.
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12. "No they don't. I'm surprised how stupid people are."
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Wow.

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41. "not true..."
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in scripture, there's distinction between Jesus and God and even Jesus repeatedly checked people who referred him as if they referring to his father. And oh yeah, Jesus die. God didn't.

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49. "RE: not true..."
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>in scripture, there's distinction between Jesus and God and
>even Jesus repeatedly checked people who referred him as if
>they referring to his father. And oh yeah, Jesus die. God
>didn't.

Then Jesus shouldn't be used to refer to God, as in "My Lord Jesus Christ".

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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11. "Jesus is the Sun... and he told his own apostles never..."
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to pray to him... pray to God... so know. Remember the whole "Father why have thou foresaketh me" bs?

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20. "If you are surprised at the stupidity of people, perhaps"
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you should look back at the spelling of son.

Anyway, the Holy Trinity states that Jesus is the body of God, and thus, it wouldn't be completely inaccurate to call God Jesus.

More importantly, how is this activist?

  

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32. "I spelled Sun correctly... perhaps you stop trying to be a smartass"
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and start figuring out why this IS activist related. I mean it's pretty basic common sense.

"I call him Sun cause he shines like one"

but I guess our culture might just be accessories to you...
it's cool.

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42. "RE: I spelled Sun correctly... perhaps you stop trying to be a smartass"
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>and start figuring out why this IS activist related.

Then how IS this Activist? I am not equipped with common sense.

>I mean
>it's pretty basic common sense.
>
>"I call him Sun cause he shines like one"

Lmao. Okay player.

>but I guess our culture might just be accessories to you...
>it's cool.

Ooh, this seems like a cross-reference. What do you mean by 'our culture'?

  

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43. "Stay focused..."
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and you'll figure it out.
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45. "Why don't you just explain?"
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Indulge us!

  

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28. "then u gotta explain the trinity"
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and what not...

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33. "No.... cause when Christ was on the cross, that trinity shit wasn't work..."
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was it? He started talking to the Father didn't he? So the whole Trinity thing... not good... besides.... even christ said do not pray unto him... he said pray to God... ya know... Like he did... (there are far too many examples of this). Soooooo...

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66. "I'LL explain the trinity RIGHT NOW:"
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It is 100% UN-Biblical. Explanation over.

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69. "well wouldn't that make all the jesus stuff moot?"
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i don't get it.

don't re-type anything on my account...if u wanna point me to another post, that's fine.

i'm just like "huh??" right now.

  

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71. "RE: well wouldn't that make all the jesus stuff moot?"
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No. Not at all.

PEACE

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72. "Biblical Trinity"
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Genesis 1:26
Isaiah 9:6
Matthew 3:16-17
Matthew 28:19
Luke 1:35
Hebrews -11
Ist John

The Father is God: Exodus 3:14
Jesus is God: John 8:58
The Holy Spriit is God: Acts 5:3-4
There is only ONE God: Deuteronomy 6:4; James 2:19


We will never understan "unity in diversity" in the effect, us, until we see the "unity in diversity" in the first cause, God.

Love requires/presupposed an object of love... if the Trinity is not true doctrine, then it makes NO sense to say "God is love". The trinity is the eternal exchange/reciprication/community of love within God.


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211. "in a nutshell..."
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On the Names of God:
Christianity was not started with the intention of being a "new religion". They saw themselves just as Jewish as those who did not believe Christ. Of course, over time, the separation became more & more evident & here we are today. Christians believe we're serving "the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob" just as the Jews do. The difference is that we believe that the Law has been fulfilled, while the Jews do not. So there's no need to create a new name.

On the Trinity:
Don't forget John 1 (the book of John, not John's letters). Pay special attention to vs. 1 & 14.

On the stupidity:
And yes, Christianity is absolutely ludicrous. That's exactly why it takes faith to follow Christ. It ain't supposed to make sense, God told us back in Isaiah 55:9.

On the purpose (sorry, no "ity"):
Adam & Eve were created to be God's friends, but they betrayed Him when they ate the forbidden fruit. This betrayal caused a great chasm between man & God. God gave the Torah to the Jews pretty much to really drive home the point of how much man has messed up. There are over 200 laws in the Torah, there's no way anybody could uphold them all the time, hence the need for atonement.

On Jesus' deity:
Since it's impossible for any human to restore the relationship between man & God, there had to be another way. God is too holy for any human to be in His presence, so He had to get creative. It would be against His very essence to renig on the Law He'd established, so a human had to fulfill the law. Of course, we realized already, this was impossible. Enter Jesus. God wants us all to be His friends, so He came down in the flesh to fulfill the law. Being fully man AND fully God, Jesus came down & did everything God required in Torah & became the everlasting sacrifice. So yes, Jesus, according to Christianity, is God. However, since He is also the only man to fulfill the law, we must go through Him to get to God. Think of Jesus as a "man-God continuum", for lack of a better phrase.

I would ask if this clarifies things, but it may very well not. It makes no logical sense to our minds whatsoever. If you wanna know why we follow it, all I can say is experience. It takes just as much faith not to believe Christ as it does to believe Him, so why not?

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213. "You sound like one of Manson's Groovy Goonies... I mean..."
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let's be real... you don't understand it, it makes no sense to you, it's not logical, yet you follow it? Sounds like a cult to me.

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158. "by the way...this thread shows how fucking ludicrous Christianity is"
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2. "Since when do Christians "think"?"
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If they did they wouldn't be Christians.

  

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5. "which religions name their gods?"
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In taking literary Arabic, taught by a Pakistani professor, it was considered incorrect to translate "allah" as "allah"; it was preferrable to translate it as "god". The word "allah" is (as was esxplained) the very same concept as as the word "god", although the dogma and practice are clearly very different.
The Hebrew Scriptures have several words for god because of the various authors who contributed at different times, but none of them can be considered as true "names"; rather they are just other words that mean the same thing as the english word "god". The only exception is the Tetragrammaton, assumed to be pronounced something like "Yahweh", but is traditionally replaced in all religious practice with the word "Adonai", translated as "the lord". The other main word for god is "Elohim", translated as god.
So neither Judaism, Christianity, or Islam use real "names" for their gods other than "god". I don't know much about eastern or African religions or classical pantheons. I think that Hindus have a variety of gods with a variety of names (Brahma, Vishnu?) but that's for someone else to say.

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8. ""I AM""
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... is the only name that, in the Hebrew scriptures, God is recoreded as giving Himself. All other names for Him came from man, but not this one.




> I think
>that Hindus have a variety of gods with a variety of names
>(Brahma, Vishnu?) but that's for someone else to say.


There are some 330 million deities in the pantheon.

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9. "not only his name came from man"
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he came from man as well...not the other way around

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67. "no, you did not read..."
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I said "IN the Hebrew scriptures, the only name He is recorded as giving Himself is 'I AM' ".

I am not contending whether or not there is a God with you, I'm familiar with your non-belief. My claim was that "In their scriptures, it is the case that "I AM" is the only name He gives Himself".

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13. "even that isn't true..."
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In the Hebrew scriptures it's Yaweh... so no that's not true...
but remember were talking Christians so that would only be the new testament...

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70. "You're demonstrably incorrect..."
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>In the Hebrew scriptures it's Yaweh... so no that's not
>true...
>but remember were talking Christians so that would only be the
>new testament...


No,

First, "Yaweh" is not what He names himself, but rather what he is "called" by His people.

Second, Christians ENTIRELY AFFIRM the Old Testament as well (as without it, there would be no reason to believe the New Testament), so the second half of your statement is false as well.


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85. "Thank you for so eloquently stating facts"
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89. "Pure bullshit... here's why."
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First I never said he called himself anything...
I just said it's Hebrew... which is a language... written by those from that region (most notably Ethiopia)
Second... if Christians completely believed in the Old Testament they would be speaking Hebrew...
and they would recognizing all the commandments...
not just ten. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote.
Peace.
Oh and while your at it... answer the question?

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148. "WHOA! my fault."
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Yawah is the translation of "I AM"?
Ok, I was totally mistaken.
My fault.
It remains factual then that there is only one name that He is recorded as giving himself, and that all others were names assigned to Him by his people, but I thought that "Yaweh" was one of those assigned names, then read in "LK1" and "2Real's" exchange that "Yaweh" is the translation of "I AM".

Got it.


>>In the Hebrew scriptures it's Yaweh... so no that's not
>>true...
>>but remember were talking Christians so that would only be
>the
>>new testament...
>
>
>No,
>
>First, "Yaweh" is not what He names himself, but rather what
>he is "called" by His people.
>
>Second, Christians ENTIRELY AFFIRM the Old Testament as well
>(as without it, there would be no reason to believe the New
>Testament), so the second half of your statement is false as
>well.
>
>
>peace.
>
>

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232. "Wrong"
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Jews don't write the true name of God, even when teh Temple stood the high priest only pronounced this name once a year. Instead, the word is written with the Hebrew letters, yud-hay-vav-hey, read as Adonai. Pretty obviously, when you have people outside the tradition reading Jewish liturgy they pronounced the written phonetically and came up with Yaweh, taking it literally as God's name.

  

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233. "Wrong"
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Jews don't write the true name of God, even when teh Temple stood the high priest only pronounced this name once a year. Instead, the word is written with the Hebrew letters, yud-hay-vav-hey, read as Adonai. Pretty obviously, when you have people outside the tradition reading Jewish liturgy they pronounced the written phonetically and came up with Yaweh, taking it literally as God's name.

  

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234. "Wrong"
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Jews don't write the true name of God, even when teh Temple stood the high priest only pronounced this name once a year. Instead, the word is written with the Hebrew letters, yud-hay-vav-hey, read as Adonai. Pretty obviously, when you have people outside the tradition reading Jewish liturgy they pronounced the written phonetically and came up with Yaweh, taking it literally as God's name.

  

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247. "Okay then... what about the New Testament?"
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where is God's name in the New Testament?

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315. "RE: Okay then... what about the New Testament?"
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couldn;t tell you a thing about the new testament if I tried. Oh, and I'm Jewish, and I'm not a convert.

  

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318. "Um... sure whatever you say."
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Jewish. Ish meaning kind of or variation of.
Right.
The first Jews were black... so if your white and your Jewish that's perfectly fine... no one said it was an exclusive religion.. just know the real.

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31. "RE: which religions name their gods?"
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Peace. Your professor was tripping. Maybe he should have been teaching Urdu, not Arabic. I say that because the Arabic word for god is ilah. Ilah is God, Allah is Allah. Doesn't even translate, it is a name. Peace.

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34. "Um... okay... your the only Muslim in the world using ilah..."
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but it's all love. Now back to the post.

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6. "B/C Arabs don't speak english nm"
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14. "RE: B/C Arabs don't speak english nm"
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Huh? How does this apply to Arabs?

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73. "allah = god in ARABIC"
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The only reason muslims have a name for their god is b/c they speak a different language. Or so I've been told by a muslim

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7. "RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?"
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The penteauch had different names for their God because it was written by 4 different authors from 4 different Hebrew tribes.


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10. "Actually (supposedly)....."
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The pentatuch(sp) was written by Moses. First 5 books of the Bible.



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16. "simple question..."
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so many scholars and smart asses... my how the light is exposing you.

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19. "Not being a smart ass..."
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Just a stickler(J/K), but like aqua said stay focused. No exposure here potnar. I have no religious affiliations.


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35. "Not you... your on point..."
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the other cat.

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22. "RE: Actually (supposedly)....."
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>The pentatuch(sp) was written by Mose.

The Penteauch was written by 4 authors in Palestine long after Moses had died. Moses wrote the 10 Commandments!

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30. "As Phonte would say....C'mon Dawg"
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1. Moses raised as Egyptian royalty
2. Bible stories are plagerized egyptian mythology (names & date change to protect the...)
3. Had to tell his people something to get them to follow him and his "God" ideal.
4. If you're telling me that Moses didn't write these because you know of a source that can prove this is wrong. Cool! I always thought it was wierd he could write of his own birth & death??? Not to mention everything that happened up to that point.
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah
6. I guess you're refering to this "JEDP" theory



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37. "Ma'at... .Melchezedek... sounds like someone is on point..."
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but spare them... let's just toil in thier whole christian circus for a second...

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36. "Moses (musa) did not write the ten commandments..."
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first off when you read dueteronomy there are hundreds of commandments... and they came from God... not Moses...

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225. "They came from God???"
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Are you stupid?

  

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246. "yeah brightspot... God... you know the whole 40days 40nights."
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what you thought he went to South Beach? lol.

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303. "they are man-made"
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305. "but the laws came from God..."
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hence the retreat... his 'living in the clouds' that wasn't man-made...

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307. "No...the 10 Commandments came from God, the other laws"
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are laws just like we have laws today. Moses was their leader, he came up with laws to govern the people he was leading. We Christians don't have to obey those laws, because Moses isn't our ruler.

The Pharisees constant grilling of Jesus about his not obeying the Mosiac laws demonstrates this fact.

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308. "Okay then... tell me exactly where in the Bible doese it make that disti..."
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Cause Deuteronomy is what I'm referring to. Please... exactly pinpoint where God only gave Ten Commandments and Moses (Musa) came up with the rest. Please share.

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310. "for example: Mark 10, Jesus was being hounded by pharisees"
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The Pharisees are asking Jesus about divorce:

Mark 10:2-3"And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?"

Note, He says,"...what did MOSES command you?" He didn't say what did GOD command you.

The pharisees said that Moses said it was okay for a divorce to occur. Jesus comes back and says the reason Moses, again NOT God, allowed this was because of "...For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept." Mark 10:5

Jesus THEN goes to what God has to say about marriage and divorce: Mark10:6-12

"But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. "

To me, Jesus says basically, no man or no man's LAW is going to change the fact that once you are married, you're married. Anyone that get a divorce runs the risk of violating God Commandment if they marry a different person.

So you have Jesus making a distinction between Man's law and God's law.

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311. "Not good... give me the direct example..."
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of when Moses wrote the laws...
and God only the ten commandments. From the Old Testament... your taking a huge license on that one... cause Moses commanded them to follow the commandments.

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178. "Written by Moses????"
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Are you stupid???

  

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185. "RE: Written by Moses????"
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hahaha... easy.

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15. "actually that's judaism.. .not christianity..."
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so no... focus people focus... think the new testament.. Christians...

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51. "The problem here is your premise, barring those green bible"
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they leave in hotel rooms, every Bible I've used has had both Old Testament and New Testament in it. So this line that you are trying to draw between OT and NT doesn't exist.

There are distinctions between the two (Judaism and Christianity), but this isn't one of them.

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17. "...isn't it just the singular usage of the word 'God'?"
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18. "RE: ...isn't it just the singular usage of the word 'God'?"
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well considering every other religion has an actual name for God...
and that would be no also cause didn't Christ (Isa) call him Father as well? How is it every other religion has a name for him as well as God... and yet Christianity only calls him God? yet has portions of the Torah (the old Testament) that calls him Yaweh? Hmmm people...

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21. "so what's 'Yaweh' translated into modern english?"
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i don't know much about christianity, wasn't raised with any religion.. i'm just curious

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38. "RE: so what's 'Yaweh' translated into modern english?"
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that is the translated version....

and good for you... no honestly not being sarcastic... I bet as a result there is no fear in your heart.
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23. "RE: ...isn't it just the singular usage of the word 'God'?"
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To give some clarity here...(I'm a live in living color Hebrew in the flesh/spirit) When he gave his name to Moshe (Moses) in Exodus he said I AM THAT I AM Exodus 3:14. Also you will note that he said in the next verse he said this is my NAME FOREVER. You translate that in the ancient Hebrew tounge (Not modern Hebrew or that Yiddish crap) it is YHWH. They did not have vowels back then only constant. Sound it out YH(YAH)WH(WAH).
He said before he gave his name to Moshe that his forefathers did not know his name the called him THE ALMIGHTY Exodus 6:3. that in the Hebrew is EL SHADDAI.

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29. "i think"
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>He said before he gave his name to Moshe that his forefathers
>did not know his name the called him THE ALMIGHTY Exodus 6:3.
>that in the Hebrew is EL SHADDAI.

that's the other term in my bible they don't translate, if i remember correctly. i'll have to peek when i get home tonight.

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24. "isnt it "LORD"????"
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25. "RE: isnt it "LORD"????"
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LORD and GOD are titles not names. If you look in the prefaces of most bibles it tells you, that everywhere you see "the Lord" thats where his name was. It was replaced over 7,000 times in scripture. WONDER WHY??
Look at Psalms 68:4, but remember the letter "J" has only been around 500 years. So it couldnt have been Jehovah or Jesus.

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27. "anyone else use "Lord"?"
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39. "Lord? Nah... not a name... a title.. and one used extensively at that t..."
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Hence
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26. "depends on the translation"
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in the bible i have (new jerusalem...it's catholic, so it has the "missing" books), they don't translate "yahweh saboeth" into "god almighty" or "almighty god" as most bibles do.

they say there's not enough info to really express what "yahweh saboeth" means, so they just leave it in.

there are a lot of hebrew names/attributes for god...the footnotes mention them. kind of like in the koran allah is referred to in many different ways.

i'm guessing that's what you meant by old testament vs. new? i still haven't figured out how all that works anyway...at least from a christian point of view.

but i suppose many of them just get lost in translation.

why does it matter to you what/by how many names god is called?


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40. "it does matter... cause how many Gods you praying to bruh?"
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listen to what you just said...
your Christian... and you don't even know.
So how do you know who your praying too? You could be praying to Satan in disguise... and that alone could explain the world as we know it. But as not to go Scooby Doo on you... the Old Testament comes from the Torah... (Judaism)... the new Testament written in Greek... That alone should point out both the divide and the tie in... cause the Greeks studied in Egypt.
Can any Christian explain how this works? I know... but I'm not Christian... would love to actually hear a Christian give me a logical response beyond 'it's the blood of Christ' like that doesn't sound quite Vampirish.

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44. "1. i'm a woman"
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2. i'm not christian
3. the whole "washed in the blood" thing freaks me out, too. but that's another discussion.


i don't get the whole pick & choose/old testament vs. new testament deal, either. beyond the whole idea of jesus being the fulfillment of a prophecy and all that.

as far as the names of god...the bible is written in several different languages. i'm guessing they all had "names" or references to god in some sense.

are you saying that "ywh/yahweh" doesn't appear AT ALL in the new testament (not necessarily in jesus' words....what about paul's letters & all that)? i don't know enough to refute ur claim, but that seems a little far fetched.

  

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46. "RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?"
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They actually have alot of names for their God. The only one I can remmeber off the top of my head is Elohim. Not sure about the spelling.

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47. "RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?"
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Why does the first of something need a nick name?
religion is the mess
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54. "We do? Why? We can't even figure out who's giving it to us... ha."
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Please... the fire and brimestone shit... please.

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53. "That's Eloheem... and that's the Old Testament - Hebrew..."
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and as a side note... just so you know... and I'm going off the top... interesting note... whenever they mention Eloheem... they say WE... in Genesis when God references himself, sometimes he says I am.. .other times he says We.
Please oh great Christians... tell me why? Can ya'll tell me anything other than plug words like Freedom and liberty? snicker....

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48. "The God of the OT is the the same God of the new testament n/m"
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55. "Ohhh caller... I'm sorry but you did not answer the question..."
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if your so certain about that... then what is his name?

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57. "There is no need to answer your question. OT God = NT God"
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I mean, I *could* go into the OT and list them for you, since the OT is part of my Bible.

Israel is God's chosen people. Through Christ, we have been added to that list. We didn't jack their God, we became part of the family. So your question about why we don't have a name for our God is not valid.

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50. "RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?"
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JEHOVAH

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56. "Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew..."
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Now... since your Christian and were talking the NEW TESTAMENT... then please tell me the name used there... Jehovah is Hebrew... Old Testament... that comes from the Torah...

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58. "RE: Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew..."
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There seems to be alot of confusion here...let me explain (also dont talk sh@t until u look it up,hell you already on the computer) The letter J has only been around for 500 years, so that automatically takes away the names Jehovah and Jesus, also in the HEBREW his name is YHWH (I AM THAT I AM) pronounced YH(yah)WH(wah),he said in Exodus 3:15 that was his name FOREVER and a MEMORIAL. You cannot translate a name(think about it, when Chinese people talk they will talk in their tounge, until they get to an American name, they say the name in American. You cannot traslate a name.) The name JEHOVAH was made up in the year 1520 (look it up).Judaism is a religion practiced by Jewish people. THAT IS NOT WHATS IN THE BIBLE!!! WHAT IS IN THE BIBLE IS A CULTURE GIVEN BY A CREATOR TO A PEOPLE (ISRAEL). A Jew was a term made up by men in the last few centuries. There is a big difference in a Jew-ish person and a HEBREW. You will never here a Jew call him self an Israelite. Read Revelation and for yourself. There is no difference in the so called Old Testement and the so called New Testement, it is ONE BOOK, THE HISTORY ABOUT A GOD AND HIS ONE PEOPLE and the outside nations that want to be ingrafted in to THAT PEOPLE. It's just the renewing of the covenant that he made with these same people. read Jeramiah 31:31-33, then read Hebrews 8:8-10

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59. "RE: Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew..."
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I dont know what happen with the smiley faces...but thats Revelation ,

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60. "RE: Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew..."
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WTF...I'll just write it out. Reveletion chapter two verse nine, and chapter three verse nine

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62. "Um, what about the question itself?"
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but... break it down... you did nothing to answer the question...

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250. "RE: Old Testament... that's Judaism... Hebrew..."
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semicolon 9 creates the smilie face...thats why you get and not the #9

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251. "umm... okay"
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not sure...
what about the question?

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61. "Um... your wrong potnah... the Old Testament comes from the Torah..."
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Judaism... and it wasn't given to Jewish people... it was given to Jews. Jew-ish details the converts after the fact.
Maybe you should look it up.

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63. "RE: Um... your wrong potnah... the Old Testament comes from the Torah..."
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I have seem to have answered every question on here but you ask this question. Did you look up how far back the letter J goes it came in the 1600's. So that means the Hebrew alphabet nor the Greek had it, so where do you get your names or terms from? if Abraham was called a HEBREW and Y'acob (Jacob) name was changed to Israel (hence children of Israel) all i see are Hebrew Israelites. I dont see Jewish, Jew, Judaism, or any of that. And the Torah is the culture that YHWH gave to the children of Israel through Moshe (Moses)

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74. "Sun, we can discuss the supreme alphabet all day..."
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first, I never said his name is Jesus or Jehovah.
Second, this is trivializing a basic question.

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64. "cosign"
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65. "Well, keep in mind that the GOD of the"
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"Old Testament" is the same GOD of the "New Testament". We aren't talking about seperate entities. The Tetragrammaton (YHWH) was indeed used by Greek speaking Christians in their writings. Some research:

Jerome, in the fourth century, wrote: “Matthew, who is also Levi, and who from a publican came to be an apostle, first of all composed a Gospel of Christ in Judaea in the Hebrew language and characters for the benefit of those of the circumcision who had believed.” (De viris inlustribus, chap. III) This Gospel includes 11 direct quotations of portions of the Hebrew Scriptures where the Tetragrammaton is found. There is no reason to believe that Matthew did not quote the passages as they were written in the Hebrew text from which he quoted.

Other inspired writers who contributed to the contents of the Christian Greek Scriptures quoted hundreds of passages from the Septuagint, a translation of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek. Many of these passages included the Hebrew Tetragrammaton right in the Greek text of early copies of the Septuagint. In harmony with Jesus’ own attitude regarding his Father’s name, Jesus’ disciples would have retained that name in those quotations.—Compare John 17:6, 26.

In Journal of Biblical Literature, George Howard of the University of Georgia wrote: “We know for a fact that Greek-speaking Jews continued to write (the Tetragrammaton) within their Greek Scriptures. Moreover, it is most unlikely that early conservative Greek-speaking Jewish Christians varied from this practice. Although in secondary references to God they probably used the words and , it would have been extremely unusual for them to have dismissed the Tetragram from the biblical text itself. . . . Since the Tetragram was still written in the copies of the Greek Bible which made up the Scriptures of the early church, it is reasonable to believe that the N T writers, when quoting from Scripture, preserved the Tetragram within the biblical text. . . . But when it was removed from the Greek O T, it was also removed from the quotations of the O T in the N T. Thus somewhere around the beginning of the second century the use of surrogates must have crowded out the Tetragram in both Testaments.”—Vol. 96, No. 1, March 1977, pp. 76, 77.

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68. "RE: Well, keep in mind that the GOD of the"
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cooooooooo-siiiiiiiignnnnn!!!

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75. "I'm not asking for your philosophy on Christianity..."
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that's not the question. The question is, does the God... found in the New Testament... have a name? It's real simple black. Spare me anything other than a basic answer... cause for one... the Old testament comes from Judaism... which means there was some adoption on part of the so called Christians. If he is the same God... then why don't they call him the same name? It's very simple.

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77. "My brother, I'm not trying to be confrontational, but you"
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just answered your own question with this:

>for one... the Old testament comes from Judaism... which means
>there was some adoption on part of the so called Christians.
>If he is the same God... then why don't they call him the same
>name?
THIS IS THE ANSWER.


>It's very simple.
Most definitely.

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80. "I know your not... but this doesn't answer the question at all..."
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in any way shape or form.

the Question:
What did they call God in the New Testament, his name?

Christians... show me your more than just chicken eating, skittle suit wearing, jeri curl activating, tap dancing negroes. This is your own God... this is very simple. Very simple.

Hebrew Israelite brothers and sisters... talk straight, give me a straight answers. Not circles.

My five percent brothers and sisters. Knowledge me.

My Muslim brothers and sisters... I expect the answers from you first actually and you know why.

My Sancitified Okayplayers... prove to me you know what your talking about.

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76. "This is theory... cause I could easily say..."
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the Greek speaking Jews? C'mon. The Greeks studied in Egypt we know this as well...
My point? You have NOT answered the question... your theorizing...
simply put. Go to the new Testament. Does ANYONE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT REFER TO GOD BY NAME. It's that simple...
the reason why your lesson is bogus and just theory is cause the name calling which was Hebrew... stops when it's written in Greek. how does that work? Why did the name dissapear. Who's saying they are the same God when five books are already being omitted? Prove to me beyond theology basically yelling 'they are the same' that they are the same. Tie it in. Pinpoint exactly where there is a name reference.

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78. "Okay..."
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>simply put. Go to the new Testament. Does ANYONE IN THE NEW
>TESTAMENT REFER TO GOD BY NAME.

>Pinpoint exactly where there is a name reference.

I don't know if you have a Bible close by...but look at Revelation Chapter 19, throughout the chapter it uses the term "Praise Jah!", or "Hallelujah!"

I'm sure you know that "Jah" is a shortened form of "Jehovah"...or Yah is a shortened form of "Yahweh", or YHWH...the same name used in the "Old Testament".

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79. "lol..."
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Now while this isn't any disrespect to my rastafarian brothers and sisters.. but you said look at revelations... Sun.
Pinpoint exactly where... do you realize how long that is? Plus I doubt you highly on this... not you per se Malachi cause your always on point... but what I notice about most theologens of the Bible and Christians alike is they operate off of hearsay... not truth.
lIke the Red Sea versus the Reed Sea... like Christ healing everyone he met... he actually likened one child to a dog in one passage...
now... give me something substantial... something solid.
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81. "This is a damn shame."
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Like for real. These motherfuckers are taking over the world and mad cats on here are supporting this bullshit... and they don't even know the name of the God they worship. Wow.

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82. "RE: This is a damn shame."
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I'll tell you the samething I was told when I asked this question.

"He knows we are talking to him. Because he knows what's in our hearts."

This is a jealous god who allows his followers to call him by some other name.

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83. "Ah, now we come to the 'activism'"
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84. "I thought I specified Revelation Chapter 19..."
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SPECIFICALLY verses 1, 3, 4, 6.

(had to go to my car and get my Bible to get the exact verses)

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87. "bet good look.. but this begs a better question..."
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so if you claim that Jah or Hallelujah is calling him by name... and you call yourself a Christian... when did Christ call him Jah?
Cause honestly that might be stretching it a bit... now... that being said... please point out to me where Christ refers to him by name... notably Jah, really anything will work, but notably Jah. Reason I ask? Simple... cause why would the name of God or the so called God (depending on your position) only be listed at the end of time?
Please give me a logical answer... Christians kill me with the heartfelt emotional speak.

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86. "No he doesn't have a name"
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Sounds like a simple question but it really isn't. All them other names that people dropped in this section, God, Jehovah, even Allah, Aren't names of different Gods but descriptions (in various languages and religions) of the Monotheistic GOD. Give me one good explanation as to why all the diferent Monotheistic religions are referring to the same GOD?
The reason God doesn't have a name because a name isn't necessary. We are not talking about a polytheistic religion where there are many gods to distiguish between which would warrant giving them names like Zeus, Apollo and the like.
Since they all believe in One God, Chrisitians, Jews & Muslims all describe God with descriptive titles rather name designations.

We call the star in the center of our solar system the Sun, which is also a generic term for a star like our Sun. Does our sun have a proper name? (i am sure technically there is.) Not really, and its because there is one sun in our solar system.
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88. "okay great lead.. although the Sun does have a scientific name.."
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however... great response. Now... here's the question beyond that question... casuse that's not quite the answer I was searching for.
If this is true... then how could Christians dissect the Old Testament and yet still read it? Pulling out pieces? In other words.. the ten commandments... versus say the other 100 or so commandments listed in the Bible? Also, another reason why I don't particularly agree is cause Muslims believe that God told the prophet Mohammed to call him Allah.
Same thing with a few of the others...
Ironically when you bring up the Sun...
and they call Christ the Sun... considering the Egyptians were Sun worshippers... well you see where I'm going.
But please... beyond this...which was a great response...
Christians.. Bible Scholars... lend me your skittle colored suits...
what do you call your God in the New Testament?

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144. "So...what IS the sun's scientific name?"
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I'll go ahead and finish my thought...

When did you learn of your mother's name? Did it alter your relationship with her in anyway? Do you call her 'Mom' or her formal name? What about people here? If you knew *my* real name...would it change anything?

We as Christians have been adopted into the family. Why would we come into a family and start reassigning names. If they call him Uncle bob, we are going to call him Uncle Bob. But God will suffice, just like Mom or Dad suffices.

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181. "Sol"
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186. "Sol...a name that WE didn't come up with. Any ORIGINAL names?"
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187. " Exactly. White people got ya'll calling all the prophets fake names..."
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So Moses' new name is Bob Goldstein?
Abraham is Ira Siverstein?
Christ is now Ron Diamond?
Hmmm...

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192. "regardless of what it is called, nobody is going to confuse the sun"
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for another star, unless you aren't familiar with the sun.

If people started calling it big baby O tomorrow, I would still know that they were talking about what I call the sun.

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199. "the fuck you talking about?"
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that's the scientific name, not the vernacular name. Nobody calls the sun Sol outside of astronomy lectures and sci-fi conventions. Every language in the world has their own word for the sun that they use, and nobody's trying to change that.

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201. "The Romans used sol...we didn't create our own name for the sun"
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The name we use was borrowed from Roman culture. Hell, scientific nomenclature is derived from their language.

So if Aqua has a problem with Christians not coming up with a unique name for God. Then He ought to have beef with the scientific community as well.


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202. "What makes them Scientific?"
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and yes I got beef with many a motherfucker.
Who says they are scientific? The Sun was there long before they were born correct? Does the Sun acknowledge science?

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204. "the scientific community"
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>and yes I got beef with many a motherfucker.
>Who says they are scientific? The Sun was there long before
>they were born correct? Does the Sun acknowledge science?

All of nature was there long before any human was born, so does that mean we can't call anything in nature by names in any human language?

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205. "we can call it what ya like... don't mean that's the end all be all..."
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namean?

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203. "and the Greeks used Helios... and the Egyptians used Ra... etc, etc."
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every language in the world created its own name for the sun.

>The name we use was borrowed from Roman culture. Hell,
>scientific nomenclature is derived from their language.

Yeah... so?

>So if Aqua has a problem with Christians not coming up with a
>unique name for God. Then He ought to have beef with the
>scientific community as well.

No, he has a problem with Christians not having a specific name for God. The scientific community does have a specific name for the sun, so I don't see the connection.

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206. " Pretty much... there is no connection, just another tactic to defend bs"
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that's all.

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219. "yep all these terms translate into what we would call The Sun"
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>No, he has a problem with Christians not having a specific
>name for God. The scientific community does have a specific
>name for the sun, so I don't see the connection.

But we do have a specific name for God. Just like our scientific name for the Sun IS the name the Romans used for the Sun, way back then. The specific name for God that we Christians use IS the same name found in the Old Testament.

That's Aqua's problem...and that is the mistake that he is making.People (for the most part) know that "helios" is some sort of reference to what we call the Sun,even though we didn't come up with the term. Likewise, Christians know that YAHWEH is a reference to what we call God, even though we didn't coin that term.

helios = not just any sun, but The Sun
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90. "RE: No he doesn't have a name"
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G-d is nameless.
Yes and No.

There is only name that was revealed to man by "G-d" this name is the YHVH sometimes translated as Yahweh, more accuratley translated as Yahovah. Jesus name is Yahshua (Yahovah is salvation) which can be translated as Jahshua (Joshua) which is translated into Greek as Jesus. Yahovah is translated to mean I AM that I AM or He/She is He/She was and will be.

On the other hand, "G-d" is beyond identification by our finite minds so this conversation can truly be an endless one.

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A response to an earlier post.
Black people are Hebrew, more specifically, are Israelites, more specifically, are the tribe of Judah, who were the Jews that were talked of in the New Testament. That later ran away from Roman persecution in the 70 AD into Egypt (Africa) who ran away again from the hands of Muslims into the West Coast of Africa (who are still brutally enslaving Africans to this very day) Have you ever wondered why the hedge of protection that God gives has been lifted (ala Job) and Black people have been in persecution for a millenia? It must be deeper than the color of our skin. When we are restored Yahshua/JAHshua/Jesus will return as KING.

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99. "RE: No he doesn't have a name"
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As someone previously said. Why would a name need to be translated? It's not like you are referring to a common object like a bowl or something like that. If what you are talking about or referring to is "unique" how can or why would it be translated?

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101. "But you do that already... that's where the name GOD comes in..."
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that could never explain the power and majesty... but you still use it to identify. YOU may not have a name for the Bowl... but you still call it a Bowl right?

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108. "RE: But you do that already... that's where the name GOD comes in..."
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>that could never explain the power and majesty... but you
>still use it to identify. YOU may not have a name for the
>Bowl... but you still call it a Bowl right?

Right. I call it bowl in my language you call the same object cola in yours. A common object between the both of us which would require translation for some type of communication between us. Now I on the other hand am the only me there is. There is no me where you are from, no you where I am from. Why would there be a need or how would it be possible to translate your name to my language or mine to yours?

Hence god is unique. Why would anyone translate THEE NAME of god to any language? It can only bring about confusion as to who or what you are worshiping. When christian missionaries take the word to natives in remote areas of the world today do they translate the name Jesus to the natives tongue?

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109. " True, but that doesn't answer the initial question..."
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You see... everyone is saying Yaweh or Jehovah... but since Christians follow the New Testament... that doesn't answer the question. They still call Jesus Jesus... so the question is still very much open. In the New Testament (since that is what Christians bring to the table) what do they call God?

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110. "I'm in agreance with you."
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I would like to know the answer to that question as well.

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111. "Namean..."
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cause you see... this is the disconnect of the Bible...

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113. "RE: I'm in agreance with you."
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What I am trying to get across is that there is no seperation between the Old and New Testament. If the Christians you know only follow the new testament, then you know some weak Christians. This left brain society we live in loves to divide segregate separate and analyze. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE GOD. ONE WORD. FOREVER AND ALWAYS. So you will never get your answer if you keep segregating the true Judaen/Israelite from the true "Christian" b/c I am telling you they are one in the same.

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114. "RE: I'm in agreance with you."
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I get what you are saying. The old and new are all one. It is taught that the new testament is the new covenant with god and with that alot of the old practices found in the old testament are thrown aside. The question is why throughout this new covenant with god there is no mention of god by name?

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117. "Exactly my question."
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Not to mention how Christians don't follow all of the Old Testament... it's a lie if someone says they do.

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115. "But you saying it don't mean nothing. Prove it."
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Show me the lineage beyond you just saying it... cause if what you say is true... then the same name they used in the Old should be used in the New... and it's not.

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118. "RE: But you saying it don't mean nothing. Prove it."
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The new testament uses the word "theos" the old testament also uses the word "theos" in reference to God. You may be wondering how that is, the Septuagint Bible is the one Jesus (Yahshua) used. That is a fact. The Septuatgint Bible is not what we use today. There is not one bible in print that translates from the Septuagint. Why? The Devil. The one english version we have is done by a racist named Brenton who used an inferior translating method.
The Septuagint and the New Testament are both written in Greek. Greek being the main language of the times, God used the language most used by people to help preserve His word, BUT our language has been confused since Babel so for anyone to think they ever knew Gods name is hilarious. We as humans need labels and images as stated before. Our main flaw as humans is our desire to know (tree of knowledge of good and evil) Trying to figure out God is an endless convo like i said before. If we get hung up in why isnt this name here and that name there. that is confusion, and we must steer from it. The main thing is the spirit. As long as we acknowledge the ONE who created us, and realize that we can only come to Him through the ONE He has sent, YAHSHUA, then everyting will be alright:)

As far as the lineage goes it is just a matter of tracing history. The Bible tells us that Ephraim will be given to the Gentiles (Hos 7:8 & 8:8). Which means that ten tribes of Israel have mixed intamently with several nations of the earth, and they have b/c all we see in the NT is JEWS/JUDEANS/JUDAHITES there are no traces of the other ten tribes. Judah and Ben stayed around the land of Israel after the house split. Like I stated before the JUDEANS were kicked out by the Romans around 70 AD alot of them fled to Egypt. From Egypt they were pushed towards the West Coast of Africa by Islam. The prophecies in Deuteronomy (28:37,63,68) tell us what happens to the elect when they are disobedient. Deuteronomy 30:1-4 states the promise. Hebrewisms of West Africa is written by a racist white guy around 1920. I dont mean to say that ALL Blacks are Israelites obviously not, however a descent amount are. A close reading of the scripture shows that Abrahams seed is blessed. This seeds is the Word that travels from Abraham to Isaac to Judah to David to Solomon to Joseph (Yahshua's father) and then the passing stops. God does not allow Joseph to put his seed in Mary. HE intervenes and brings forth YAHshua. Since Israel is in such a scattered state the only way to for God to gather them is through spirit. It is no longer physical (even though it is) every spiritual truth has a physical manifestation. IN the old testament there was an emphasis on the Physical traditions but it was worthless w/out the Spirit. The Spiritual is now what is emphasized however the knowledge of our physical lineage is not worthless. The Kebra Negast is good reading also.

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120. "I hate to say this.. but this simply isn't true..."
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Why? Well you said God uses the language most used by the people of the day... Um, God didn't write the new Testament my friend...
people did.
Paul
Peter
Tony jenkins... whowever else you want to choose...but God did not.

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121. "RE: I hate to say this.. but this simply isn't true..."
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In that case man wrote the old testament as well. When I say God wrote I mean God inspired folk to write his Word, but I can see that we are approaching a brick wall so I am bowing out.

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130. "RE: No he doesn't have a name"
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I was thinking about this just today. Take the term "original man", if you beleive the African is the original man, then that traces us back to Adam and Eve (as anthropology is tracing us further back to, Lucy and such) and having been kicked out of the garden we have since been split between continents, enslaved by every race including our own. On the other hand the Jews are God's chosen people and thus have overcome various trials in their own right and have still prospered. So in one hand the original man theory may be more right then we have commited to thinking about and why we continue to find such hardship because we truly were banished from the garden and the chosen people have had such prosperity....use Akham's Razor on this one.

  

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212. "ACTUALLY"
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The name Jehovah exists b/c the Jews felt that it was disrespectful to call God by name. (Kinda like us Southern folks who only call ppl Mr. or Ms. so & so.) In Hebrew, they don't generally write vowels (they got tagged onto the bottom of a root of 3 - sometimes 4 letters). So they basically changed up the vowels in YaHWeH to become YeHoWaH. The "W" gets translated into a "V" sound (it goes both ways in Hebrew) & we get Jehovah. So really, Jehovah is NOT more accurate, it's just more respectful, from a Jewish perspective.

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214. "Ok then... show me where in the New Testament God is reffered to"
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by his proper title. Tie it in. Point out the passage exactly.

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216. "RE: Ok then... show me where in the New Testament God is reffered to"
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I could be a little slow, but I'm not quite sure what you're asking. God is all over the NT, so I need you to be more specific about what you're looking for.

(In case y'all can't tell, I rather love this stuff...)

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283. "His name, what is it in the NT and where is it located?"
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That's all... we are trying to thumb the name they used in the NT to call God.

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289. "RE: His name, what is it in the NT and where is it located?"
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gotta love Harper's Dictionary:
partial swipe from: http://www.bibletexts.com/glossary/names-of-god-nt.htm

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Lord: In the OT , the chief title and representative name for God was the individual and personal name ‘Yahweh,’ translated kyrios (Gk., ‘Lord’) in the LXX and ‘the Lord‘ by several English versions. This name was used by OT authors more than 6,000 times, compared to about 2,500 times for elohim, ‘God.’ The NT continues to use ‘Lord’ for God (about 100 times), primarily in quotations from the LXX (e.g., Mark 1:3; 12:11; Acts 2:34) and in set phrases such as ‘hand of the Lord’ (Luke 1:66). The vast majority of the 719 occurrences of kyrios (‘Lord’) in the NT refers to Jesus, however, usually as the exalted Christ (e.g., Acts 2:36; John 20:28). Thus, the two most common OT names for deity, ‘God’ and ‘Lord,’ are used in the NT not only for God but also (though rarely in the case of the word ‘God’) for Jesus as the exalted Lord of the church’s faith. A much less common word for ‘Lord’ in the LXX, despoteµs (Gk., ‘lord,’ ‘sovereign,’ ‘master’) is also used in the NT both for God (Luke 2:29; Acts 4:24; Rev. 6:10) and for Christ (Jude 4; 2 Pet. 2:1).
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i don't think i've posted any new info on here, so you may not be satisfied by this. but basically, out of respect, YHWH (hebrew) gets translated into kyrios in greek (the language of NT times) & then to Lord in english. and since Jesus = 100% man & 100% God, the term also applies to Him. does that help?

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290. "But Lord is a title, not a name... so it still holds true there is no na..."
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91. "There is a name."
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It cannot be pronounced. The closest anyone came is the original Hebrew "YHWH". This word was used to describe God's essense. Eventually, when vowels were added to YHWH, it became "Yahweh", which means "I am that I am." Such is God. Such is reality. God is the only thing that simply is.

Other words have been used to describe God in adoration. Such is the nature of Judeo-Christian worship.

You ever seen the movie Pi? I thought it was interesting.

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93. "RE: There is a name."
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YHVH first appears on the tombs of Egypt. Hebrews/Israelites were born in Egypt remember. it representing Gods nature is correct. Egyptians were God's people (Isaiah 19:25) before they corrupted his nature (Romans 1:19 -26) hence YHVH had to bring forth a new people (Israel) which is divided to this very day as Judah and Ephraim, and will soon be reunited.

Also I think what needs to be understood here is that any believing Christian (true "christian" is of the seed of Israel both physically and spiritually) so there is no seperation between "Judaism and Christianity" it is the same faith. THe Jewish religion of today is a creation of what Jahshua (Jesus) calls "the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Revelation (why is this smiley face here? REV two and nine)

Please do not take offense. That statement is directed more to the heads of political states and media monopolies.

And this is not to say that Jewish people today are not at all Jewish because Israel today is a mixed population and racism against darker Jews is very prevalent.

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97. "RE: There is a name."
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>YHVH first appears on the tombs of Egypt. Hebrews/Israelites
>were born in Egypt remember. it representing Gods nature is
>correct. Egyptians were God's people (Isaiah 19:25) before
>they corrupted his nature (Romans 1:19 -26) hence YHVH had to
>bring forth a new people (Israel) which is divided to this
>very day as Judah and Ephraim, and will soon be reunited.

Word. Did I dispute this?

>Also I think what needs to be understood here is that any
>believing Christian (true "christian" is of the seed of Israel
>both physically and spiritually) so there is no seperation
>between "Judaism and Christianity" it is the same faith. THe
>Jewish religion of today is a creation of what Jahshua (Jesus)
>calls "the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are
>not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Revelation (why is
>this smiley face here? REV two and nine)

Yeah... I'm a Classics/Religious Studies dude... I know exactly what you mean. I speak in simple terms so people will understand... this post is about Christianity (the popular notion), so if I would've said simply "Jewish ethics," it would've confused the masses.

>Please do not take offense. That statement is directed more to
>the heads of political states and media monopolies.

I'm in agreement. peace,

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98. "RE: There is a name."
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I did not mean to come off aggressive or arguementative, forgive me if i was.

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103. "Actually Hebrews were born in Ethiopia."
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but I'm still reading your piece just had to comment.

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104. "Of course we are... White Jews are Converts hence Jewish..."
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they are the ones attaining the power and taking all the benefits based of of their facist/extremist "Children of God" position.
Sorry folks... hows the move?
haha..
ok... black are the original Jews.... yes... we know... we are enlightened up in this piece so feel free to speak the truth. Let them monitor their shit and I'll monitor mine.

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138. "RE: Of course we are... White Jews are Converts hence Jewish..."
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>they are the ones attaining the power and taking all the
>benefits based of of their facist/extremist "Children of God"
>position.
>Sorry folks... hows the move?
>haha..
>ok... black are the original Jews.... yes... we know... we are
>enlightened up in this piece so feel free to speak the truth.
>Let them monitor their shit and I'll monitor mine.

I don't doubt the existence of ancient Ethiopian or Egyptian Hebrews.. the slaves that escaped from Egypt were an incredibly mixed population, and they became even more mixed afterwards. peace,

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102. "So the fact that God refers to him/herself as we in Genesis..."
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how does this work... cause Eloheem is plural.

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137. "Simple answer, and it isn't the Trinity as some believe..."
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It's simple, common languange of antiquity most commonly referred to as the Royal "we". It refers to someone of royal status (in this case, a king). God said "we are pleased," as a king says "we are pleased," so He was referred to, correctly, in plurality.

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92. "i was taught that it was "yahweh""
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95. "RE: i was taught that it was "yahweh""
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also, Jesus was Jewish, so his God would have been Yahweh, or Jehova, or Aten, as the concept of the singular God stemmed from the Armana Dyansty in Egypt when Aten was introduced as their sole God... Before the Jews and well before Christianity. Whoever thinks Jesus Christ (Yoshua ben Joseph) was a Christian is on the wrong track.. he was a Jewish 'Priest-King', and was killed for fighting the corrupt Jewish leaders in Jerusalem. Christians know their God as God because they cant take the name of their God from their roots in Judaism, otherwise they may aswell be Jewish

  

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96. "RE: i was taught that it was "yahweh""
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see post 93

  

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106. "Jesus wasn't Jewish... Jewish means 'Kind of Jew'"
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You mean Jesus was a Jew.... which still isn't accurate... he was born into the home of Jews. he himself denounced it.

Judaism is a religion... not a race people.

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112. "RE: Jesus wasn't Jewish... Jewish means 'Kind of Jew'"
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Jesus was a Jew.
According to the old and new testament Jew refers to those of the tribe of "Jew"dah. According to man a Jew is what you see on TV today practicing Judaism. We have to clearly define what we are talking about. Of course the Bibles we read are translated by who knows who. The "Jew" that is put in the Bible should probably read something like Jehudite/Judean, which Jesus (JAHshua) was. So to close Jesus was a Jew? Yes and No. (the Enemy is confusion/Babel/Babylon/Baal)

PS Why do you say Hebrews/Israelites were born in Ethiopia?

  

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116. "Hebrew is a language... the Jews are from Ethiopia... the real ones."
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the people you see on TV are imposters... Jewish... kind of Jew.
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119. "RE: Hebrew is a language... the Jews are from Ethiopia... the real ones."
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Israel was born in Egypt (The Book of Exodus, 70 something go in 400 years later millions go out) not Ethiopia, you have not stated why Jews are from Ethiopia, it is true that they were later translpanted there.





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159. "RE: Jesus wasn't Jewish... Jewish means 'Kind of Jew'"
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Agian, wrong information: Correctly the "Hebrew" people wernt even referred to as "Hebrew" they were called "Yahuidas" because they were Yahwehs people.

  

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which came first... Yaweh or Eloheem?

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94. "whats the name of your God?"
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"the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, with God being the name of his species....his kind, like mankind!

but i use most High


**for examples**

when the most High commissioned Moses to bring Israel from Eygpt, Moses didnt think, he was capable and if the people would listen. because people need to have names, signs and wonders in order for them to believe....

Exd.3:10-15

Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt.

And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?

And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.

And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

ANd God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Isael, I AM hath sent me unto you.

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.


"We dont "need" to name our God but in order to get mankind to understand we do...."

Exd.20:3-7

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold them guiltless that taketh his name in vain.


"mankind need names and imagines to bow down to. Those that believe and know the truth, hold fast to the above....."


Jesus.....


we cant meet the Father unless we go thru the Son. "THIS IS WHY HE IS OUR SAVIOR"!

The father annoited the son....

Hebrews 1:1-3

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in the past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, who he that appointed heir in all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Mejesty on high;


just like in times past, when something had to die for your tragression, Christ was the ultimate scarifice.


got questions....

first read this:

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

And ye will not come to me that ye might have life.

I receive not honour from men.

But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Do not think I will accuse you the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in ye trust.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

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100. "RE: whats the name of your God?"
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>"the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob,
>with God being the name of his species....his kind, like
>mankind!
>
>but i use most High
>
>
>**for examples**
>
>when the most High commissioned Moses to bring Israel from
>Eygpt, Moses didnt think, he was capable and if the people
>would listen. because people need to have names, signs and
>wonders in order for them to believe....
>
>Exd.3:10-15
>
>Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that
>thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out
>of Egypt.
>
>And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto
>Pharaoh, and I should bring forth the children of Israel out
>of Egypt?
>
>And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be
>a token unto thee, that I have thee: When thou hast brought
>forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this
>mountain.
>
>And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children
>of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers
>hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his
>name? what shall I say unto them?
>
>ANd God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus
>shalt thou say unto the children of Isael, I AM hath sent me
>unto you.
>
>And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the
>children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of
>Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me
>unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial
>unto all generations.
>
>
>"We dont "need" to name our God but in order to get mankind to
>understand we do...."

If mankind as you say need to name to understand. Why would we not need name to understand god? Man was made to need names according to the scripture. Gen. 2:19

>Exd.20:3-7
>
>Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
>
>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any
>likeness of any thing that is in the heaven above, or that is
>in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the
>earth:
>
>Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I
>the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
>the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
>generation of them that hate me;
>
>and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep
>my commandments.
>
>Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for
>the Lord will not hold them guiltless that taketh his name in
>vain.
>
>
>"mankind need names and imagines to bow down to. Those that
>believe and know the truth, hold fast to the above....."

If man needs name to bow to and the commandment is not to bow and worship any others. Why not give the one name it is for man to bow and worship. To me this opens the door for a lot of confusions. To just worship god who do you know which god you are actually worshiping? Also how can one take the name of the lord, god in vain if one does not know it?


>I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if
>another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

What name is that?


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135. "I AM"
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>If mankind as you say need to name to understand. Why would
>we not need name to understand god? Man was made to need
>names according to the scripture. Gen. 2:19

I guess I dont understand, "why do we need a name to understand Him?", If I had some big fancy name, would you then understand...maybe!

As i think about Gen 2, the most High gave man everything that he needed...the earth,food,animals,woman,even "naming" them. But he also gave the choice, the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

whats good, whats evil tho?

His will, what Christ did!

what separate Him, His doctrine!!!

>If man needs name to bow to and the commandment is not to bow
>and worship any others. Why not give the one name it is for
>man to bow and worship. To me this opens the door for a lot
>of confusions. To just worship god who do you know which god
>you are actually worshiping? Also how can one take the name
>of the lord, god in vain if one does not know it?

I think the confusion is when people use names or create images. we dont need a image or pictures or names...His teachings, the 10 fundamentals...faith will set you apart.

>>I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if
>>another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

>What name is that?

we need to name the things we worship in order for it to be an reality to us. An infinite being, who created everything!!!!, how do you name it?

  

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107. "Trinity this is good and all..."
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but just answer the damn question... I mean you brought Andre Crouch and Municipal A&M Baptist/Methodist Boys/Girls/Grownfolks choir which ya! damn... haha..

So does he have a name or not.
Cause there are a few Israelites on here ready to challenge that with your own book.
First what version do you read?

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136. "what would it take for you to believe"
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>but just answer the damn question... I mean you brought Andre
>Crouch and Municipal A&M Baptist/Methodist
>Boys/Girls/Grownfolks choir which ya! damn... haha..

"little by little, line upon line precept upon precept, baby!"

>So does he have a name or not.
>Cause there are a few Israelites on here ready to challenge
>that with your own book.

challenge what, lol

all im hoping for is people dont get caught up in naming Him because that is not what saves us.

>First what version do you read?

did we go thru this...like two years ago, lol


  

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122. "whats the point of this post? anyway to indulge your highly"
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offensive manner its EL SHADDAI, THE ALMIGHTY, I AM or the MOST HIGH......I think......
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124. "I've asked this several times to no avail"
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According to #43, if you focus you will figure it out...

  

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126. "I take it back....it is interesting to see everyone's views....."
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129. "Exactly, that is one way to look at it even though no one answered"
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the question... it is good to see people's views. However I'm surprised people are not alarmed at the fact that the question is mad simple... and they don't have a 'real' answer.

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132. "Interesting? Maybe..."
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Activist? No.

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128. "Ummmmm."
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that's right.

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141. "RE: I've asked this several times to no avail"
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Yeah, this is pretty annoying.

"I know the answer, and if you just think, you'll know."

And then when people post answers (and there's something to be said for the Old Testament suggestion), we're all told to "answer the question."

And then lots of "very interesting... but NO"

What's your answer already, tough guy??

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127. "Offensive to whom?"
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what exactly offends you... the fact you can't figure it out?

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131. "RE: Offensive to whom?"
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I'm not understanding 2 questions. Please Help Me. The Hebrews being from Egypt? And also Hebrews being from Ethiopia? I was thinking Abraham the first to be called a Hebrew was from the UR of Chaladee Genesis 11:31-12:2 (which is in Babylon0.

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133. "First off... Hebrew is a language..."
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second... the original Jews are from Ethiopia. I think your confusing my comments with that of others.

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134. "RE: First off... Hebrew is a language..."
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So explain Genesis 14:13. Does he call Abram a language? I know what you are saying (its a language) but its also a PEOPLE. And could you show me "IN SCRIPTURE" where the Hebrews were from Ethiopia?

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139. "RE: First off... Hebrew is a language..."
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Peace

Hebrews, Isrtaelites, what have you are NOT FROM Ethiopia. 1. Some converted after Sheba/Menelik 2.Later others ran there as a safe haven from persecution.

  

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142. "RE: First off... Hebrew is a language..."
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OK....Now I got you. You know akh a lot of confusion would be cleared up if we (Black People) started lookin' at that book through the eyes of what they truly are (Hebrews). And not lookin' at it through Gentile eyes (Europeans). How would you know if you are a Hebrew, Yah said in Deuteronomy 28:46 that the curses from verse 15-68 would let you know you are these people. Because you notice most our people (in Christianity) always go to the LETTERS that Paul wrote to Gentiles instead of the SCRIPTURES what YAH gave to us (Black People). What do you think. Shalom.
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P.S. For all people thinking I'm anti-semetic (a made up word), for calling Europeans Gentiles, I didnt say it, YAH did, Genesis 10:2-5. Put those names in ANY search on the net and it will give you their descendants. Some of those European Jew-ish people still call theselves Ashkenazi also, AINT THAT A TRIP.

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143. "Why dont muslims have a name for their God."
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Muslims as well call there God, God. Allah is only a direct translation of the word God it is not a new name. If you were in a arabic country you could ask the same question. Why don't muslims have a name for Allah?

  

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147. "RE: Why dont muslims have a name for their God."
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That is a good question. I would like clarity on this also. Maybe its something in the Koran? I know Islam eventually came from Hebrew Ishmaelites but the name was eventually given to Hebrew Israelites (Moses).If I have my facts in order.

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208. "RE: Why dont muslims have a name for their God."
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>That is a good question. I would like clarity on this also.
>Maybe its something in the Koran? I know Islam eventually came
>from Hebrew Ishmaelites but the name was eventually given to
>Hebrew Israelites (Moses).If I have my facts in order.

Muslims DO have a name for "their God", it is Allah(swt), and no it is not just simply a word that translates to "god". Allah(swt) is best translated to "the Diety" but it is in no way limited by that latin word. The word "Allah" is absolutely singular, so unlike the word "god" it has no plural form and it does not have a gender either. Allah(swt) is what the beloved Prophet Muhammad (May Allah's Mercy and Blessings be upon him)was instructed to call mankind's Lord and Creator. The word "Allah" is more than just a word that translates to "the God" but also a proper name referring to the Unique Entity that gave existance to all that which is seen and unseen.

I have no idea what you talking bout with all this Hebrew Ishmaelites/
Hebrew Israelites stuff... please clarify

In regards to the original topic of the name christians have or should have for their creator, The name Issa ibn Maryum (Jesus son of Mary)(May Allah's Mercy and Blessings be upon them both) probably used was an Aramaic word not found in the bible which was formulated in Greek. In fact if you listen really carefully in that horrible movie THE PASSION of the CHRIST, you can hear that when referring to "God" the actor uses a word very similar to "Allah".

  

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296. "well done."
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See, very simple. Hmmm.

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297. "Wait, you're satisfied with 'the Deity', but not 'the Lord'?"
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153. "Somebody with some understanding."
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Somebody with some understanding. Confusion is right. This entire post can do as much damage as it can good.

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145. "The name is YHWH"
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We Christians accept the OT name of YHWH, the problem is that somewhere in the 2nd century the divine name was no longer pronounced.

Because Jews at that time were afraid of taking the name of God in vein, in light of the 10 commandments.

There became a distinction between what was written (KETIV) and what was spoken.(QERE) So whenever one would come to the written, YHWH (KETIV) in the text, they would pronounce ADONAI(QERE) instead. Adonai, means Lord.

That being the case, the divine name was replaced with KURIOS (Lord) in the New Testament. Simply based upon the QERE of the name YHWH. Since it was no longer pronounced.

And if someone wants to try to bring up that LXX theory of the divine name being taken out, just remember that there are no NT manuscripts with the name YHWH in the text.

And lastly, Jehovah is a bad translation of YHWH. I can explain that one later as well.

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146. "Here we go with THIS again:"
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>And lastly, Jehovah is a bad translation of YHWH. I can
>explain that one later as well.

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149. "RE: Here we go with THIS again:"
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>
>>And lastly, Jehovah is a bad translation of YHWH. I can
>>explain that one later as well.

Response: Well it is. It is not my fault you guys picked a bad translation as the name of your group. Oh well.

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150. "Explain how that is a bad translation n/m"
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152. "He can't...not with any REAL logic anyway..."
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I've gone through this with him before.

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156. "JEHOVAH is not quite right"
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Well, if you are familiar with Biblical Hebrew, there is such a thing called the KETIV vs QERE .

What happens is there are scribal errors in the biblical text, or variant traditions which the Masoretes wished to preserve. In these cases, the desired pronunciation is noted in the margin or footnote.

So, in regards to YHWH, since this name was not spoken, even though it was written down,when a person would come to YHWH, it was pronounced as ADONAI. (QERE)

The word JEHOVAH is an improper mixing of the KETIV/QERE what happened is the consanants of YHWH were mixed with the vowels of ADONAI .

So you get Y-A-H-O-V-A-H. Which is basically a bad use of Hebrew. Here is what the Hebrew and Aramiac Lexicon of the Old Testament says...

" Jehovah, wrong pronunciation, improperly mixing Ketiv and Qere, generally used since ca. 1500; first reference in 1381 (Eissfeldt KL. Schr 1:167)"

I don't mind people using Jehovah, since it is so popular, but I cringe whenever I hear it.

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162. "Actually..."
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The truth is, nobody knows for sure how the name of God was originally pronounced. Why not? Well, the first language used in writing the Bible was Hebrew, and when the Hebrew language was written down, the writers wrote only consonants—not vowels. Hence, when the inspired writers wrote God's name, they naturally did the same thing and wrote only the consonants.

While ancient Hebrew was an everyday spoken language, this presented no problem. The pronunciation of the Name was familiar to the Israelites and when they saw it in writing they supplied the vowels without thinking (just as, for an English reader, the abbreviation "Ltd." represents "Limited" and "bldg." represents "building").

Two things happened to change this situation. First, a superstitious idea arose among the Jews that it was wrong to say the divine name out loud; so when they came to it in their Bible reading they uttered the Hebrew word 'Adho·nai' ("Sovereign Lord"). Further, as time went by, the ancient Hebrew language itself ceased to be spoken in everyday conversation, and in this way the original Hebrew pronunciation of God's name was eventually forgotten.

In order to ensure that the pronunciation of the Hebrew language as a whole would not be lost, Jewish scholars of the second half of the first millennium C.E. invented a system of points to represent the missing vowels, and they placed these around the consonants in the Hebrew Bible. Thus, both vowels and consonants were written down, and the pronunciation as it was at that time was preserved.

When it came to God's name, instead of putting the proper vowel signs around it, in most cases they put other vowel signs to remind the reader that he should say 'Adho·nai'. From this came the spelling Iehouah, and, eventually, Jehovah became the accepted pronunciation of the divine name in English. This retains the essential elements of God's name from the Hebrew original.

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166. "RE: Actually, you are still incorrect"
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>When it came to God's name, instead of putting the proper
>vowel signs around it, in most cases they put other vowel
>signs to remind the reader that he should say 'Adho·nai'. From
>this came the spelling Iehouah, and, eventually, Jehovah
>became the accepted pronunciation of the divine name in
>English. This retains the essential elements of God's name
>from the Hebrew original.


Response: This part right here is incorrect. Notice your article says they should say "ADONAI." which is the QERE. The problem here is that you cannot mix the Ketiv/Qere. For one is actually what is written and the other is actually what is said. Jehovah is a mix of the two and therefore is a made up word.

For example Exodus 3:15

vayomer `od elohim el-mosheh coh-ho'amer el b'ney Yishrael YHWH elohey avoteychem...

YHWH here is still YHWH, there is no Jehovah here. Now it is pronounced ADONAI, and what happened is that someone confused the Ketiv/Qere improperly,and combined the vowels of the QERE with the consanants of the KETIV which is improper because you can't mix two.

So, as my lexicon stated Jehovah is a mistranslation, because you can't mix the two.


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217. "THANK you!"
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I believe I said something to this effect a little earlier...
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223. "Tie this into the New Testament cause your purely referencing the Old..."
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which comes from the Torah... seince we are talking Christians then we are discussing the New Testament.

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237. "RE: Tie this into the New Testament cause your purely referencing the Ol..."
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>which comes from the Torah... seince we are talking
>Christians then we are discussing the New Testament.


Response: The word YHWH was replaced with Kurios, since it was always pronouned that way. So the name is still YHWH.

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241. "Show me in the New Testament where the word Kurious is used"
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as the name to call God.

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254. "Acts 2:21 quoting Joel 2:32"
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>as the name to call God.

Sure read

Joel 2:32 that whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

The Hebrew has YHWH. v:hayah kol asher yikra' b:shem yimmalet.

In the NT Acts 2:21 and whoever calles on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Greek: KAI ESTAI PAS hOS AV EPIKALESHTAI TO ONOMA SWQHSETAI

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295. "Um, yes and no..."
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Old testament sure.
New testament still doesn't give a name... it's saying whoever wants to call the name of the Lord... okay but what is that name that you call him?

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302. "RE: Um, yes and no..."
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@aqua:

>Old testament sure.
>New testament still doesn't give a name... it's saying whoever
>wants to call the name of the Lord... okay but what is that
>name that you call him?

Response: I was showing you that the name has not changed. The name that I call him is YHWH.

Although, I would argue later on that Paul uses this same verse and applies KURIOS to Jesus. Romans 1 and 10:13.

So one could say Jesus is the name for God in the NT.

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154. "PEACE"
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We know that there are no YHVH in the NT LXX text and it is perfectly fine because Gods name is unspeakable and no one here seems to understand that. It does not matter what you call HIM as long as you are calling. Theos, Almighty, Allah, Supreme Creator Being, I AM that I AM, it does not matter. The very root of this conversation is why there are so many different denominations, religions, beliefs, etc. That root being mans desire to know something he has no business knowing. Anything that attempts to BOX GOD is of THE ENEMY i.e. Trinity Doctrine, Kabbalah, etc. It is not our business to NAME GOD. WHEN MOSES ASKED GOD WHO SENT HIM. GOD DID NOT GIVE HIM HIS NAME HE GAVE HIM A MONIKER and My Lord has many, Praise be unto HIM Only two things matter. There is ONE God and there is ONE SACRIFICE for all. The ethiopian bible is the oldest, it stems from LXX, it has 81 books, and it has not been translated EVER into English. E V E R. Curious? Me Tink So. NO ONE IN THIS BOARD CAN SAY THAT YAHSHUA DID NOT USE LXX. google it.
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167. "But, again.. the disconnect"
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cause there are names for God in the Old Testament...
and in the New testament there is not...
also... God refers to him/herself as "us" , "I", "We"...
with names like
Yaweh
Jehovah
Eloheem
why is that? Please explain. None of these terms pop up in the New Testament yet you say it's the same God... show me how.

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173. "RE: But, again.. the disconnect"
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I have been attempting to explain this for a while. We are talking about spiritual matters,

"Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14

When the Word says "natural man" it is refering to the man that relies on what he can logically put together, he relies on what he can see feel touch hear and smell to figure things out,

"Trust in YAHweh with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding" Proverbs 3:5

The reason why you cannot understand how YAHweh is the same in the New Testament as in the Old is because you are relying on YOU. I've stated it time and time again, IT IS THE SPIRIT AND THE SPIRIT ONLY that matters, words in a book will never define God. My explanation before did not satisfy you ( no one can refute the fact that the LXX was used by YAHshua himself, and no one can refute that in the LXX it uses theos as the NT does) and I am sure that this explanation will not satisfy you either.

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I was always under the impression that most Eastern Religions (with the exception of Hinduism) don't specifically name God. Is this true?



  

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155. "This feels like the Council of Nice"
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For there are many here who love G-d truly, but we were all brought here by one who has a devisive spirit. I pray that while we conversate it is to get a better understanding of history and where we as humans have come from and NOT to try to figure out G-d. Putting magnifying glasses to HIS Heavenly Throne is proud and vile. So Please as we continue let us keep the Almighty in the utmost reverence, for, "The fear of G-d is the beginning of knowledge" Proverbs chap ONE verse SEVEN

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168. "a divisive spirit? Simply cause I don't agree... if that's the case."
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then Moses
Jesus
Abraham all had divisive spirits. So I guess I'm in good company amongst you saints right?

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171. "RE: a divisive spirit? Simply cause I don't agree... if that's the case..."
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Whether you disagree with what i am saying or not is beyond what I am talking about when I say "divisive" I mean it in the sense of creating tension/strife amongst people who are trying to seek a common objective.

The spirit in which you are asking questions is not creating unity. And if it is your intention to unite people then you need to watch your rhetoric a little better. You can disagree without promoting division. Your tone comes across (and it might be just me) synical, and that type of spirit scatters folk.


  

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172. "Motherfucker please... watch my rhetoric?"
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just cause I don't deal with your bullshit don't mean I'm divisive...
watch my tone? And you would be whom sir? Do me a huge favor... instead of focusing on me... just try answering the damn question... thanks. If you can't... then read a little more as oppossed to the personal attacks... also, be happy I'm bringing this shit up. Christians are some judgemental motherfuckers, like ya'll got the right to tell anyone anything... please man. Find out the name of your God first... then go from there.
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175. "RE: Motherfucker please... watch my rhetoric?"
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You prove my point for me.


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157. "RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?"
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First of all I appreciate all of you're explanations, you all tried your best but I will tell you all the truth cut and dry. First all our life or the most popular thing or "cliche" thing to say is you can call him(god) what you want or "he has many names. Well just cause you've been taught something all your life doesn't make it true or just plain bull*$@#@. God correctly has only one name which is Yahweh. (how many names do you have?) (will or would you let anyone call you anything they wanted to?) If you from the street, or know anything about street knowledge, you know you are not gonna let anybody call you what they want to. Just as anal as we are and quick to become pissed about someone not calling us our correct name, how pissed do you think the creator of the heavens and earths, the one who but the very breath in your lungs feels.(something to think about). But I get ignorant people that say "thats the old Hewbrew name" My question is what is your old name? LOL the religous world is so steeped in ignorance. You know if I go to China, Russia, Mexico, does my name change from Jhon to Robert.F*$%#$ no. A name is universal. Espically the name of Yahweh. Sad to say when people don't know something they make up the truth which is a dumb lie. I AM is not a name, Lord is not a name, God is not a name. If so write your rent check out and label it to: "The land lord". People try to separate what is in the old teasament from the new teastament. LOL wrong again. The new teastament is always telling you to refer back to the old teastament. Jesus is a name but it is an incorrect name. IF the bible was translated from Hebrew to Latin to Greek, at least one of those languages should have a letter J in them right? Well none of those have the letter J in there languege till this day. Oh and before I hear that cop out "about you can call him what you want". Everyone has seen the passion of the Christ, (oh yea please tell me a point in the movie were they said Jesus).....They said Yahshua. This motha*$#$@$## took a beating like no one will ever in history be able to take, and died for our sins (so to speak) and all people or the Christians and Catholics say you can call him what you want.LOL wwhhhhheeewwww......My my my somebodys gonna be pissed. Any questions feel free to ask me, I'll tell you the truth for free or you can pay your preacher for a lie.

  

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160. "RE: Why don't Christians have a name for their God?"
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I think one thing we need to consider. It is not about what WE think we should call him because I see on this post a lot of "It doesnt matter what you call him." I think we need to be asking ourselves WHAT DID HE SAY CALL HIM? Exodus 3:14-15

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161. "Point"
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well taken. So YAHWEH it is. Lets all go home.

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163. "Your cocky spirit..."
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needs to be toned down #1. Number two for you to sit here and think that you know what "God" is feeling when someone turns from a life of immorality, ignoring "God's" rules and ordinances and finally says, "I'm sorry 'God,' forgive me here is my life." What you are telling us is that "God" is turning HIS nose up at this person b/c "God" was called out of "God's" name. This is a perfect example of why God is God and man is man. God is never puffed up, declaring that HE has the truth for all those willing to listen. How ashamed you should feel. #3 YAHshua is not a "mother" anything and for someone that is so concerned w/ calling people out of their name you need not look past the ground you stand on.

PS I've been in many places and have been called "Mister, Sir, Senor, Father Brother Son, Daddy, Dada, Bro, Director etc. (and if you notice these are titles/positions, not names/aliases/nicknames/monikers) I should not have used monikers in an earlier post. It has already been stated in this room that God, Allah, The Almighty, Lord, are all titles NOT NAMES. So no one is calling HIM outside of HIS name as you claim they are.

IT IS NOT WHAT WE CALL HIM IT IS THE SPIRIT IN WHICH WE CALL HIM. WITH KNOWLEDGE COMES RESPONSIBILITY. OUR "GOD" IS PATIENT. (but HIS wrath comes quick)


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164. "RE: Your cocky spirit..."
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My MY MY MY MY Mercy... I see what you mean. How could they call the REDEEMER OF ISRAEL a mothersucka. The balls of some people.

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170. "Please explain what you mean by 'through his blood'"
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has a nice ring to it... now explain what it means... otherwise it's some Dracula shit.

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174. "RE: Please explain what you mean by 'through his blood'"
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You must study Israelite sacrifice and its symbolism. And understand the connection between Melchizedek and YAHshua, as YAHshua is a priest in the order of Melchizedek. The High priest only went into the Holy of Holies once a year (I am sure you are familiar). In short the same way that the High priest would take an unblemished sacrifce for the atonement of all the people once a year, YAHshua the High priest sacrificed once during this earth's lifetime for the atonement of all generations. If a man's spirit does not believe (in both the OT times and the current NT era) then the sacrifice was not given for him.



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169. "Everyone becomes a monk on religious posts... lol."
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Online spirituality is mad funny.

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176. "RE: Everyone becomes a monk on religious posts... lol."
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Well put 2Real...but What's "REALLY" FUNNY/SAD ABOUT THIS POST, It's only for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

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182. "very true."
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very true.

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177. "The trouble with this."
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>PS I've been in many places and have been called "Mister, Sir,
>Senor, Father Brother Son, Daddy, Dada, Bro, Director etc.
>(and if you notice these are titles/positions, not
>names/aliases/nicknames/monikers) I should not have used
>monikers in an earlier post. It has already been stated in
>this room that God, Allah, The Almighty, Lord, are all titles
>NOT NAMES. So no one is calling HIM outside of HIS name as you
>claim they are.
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You are absolutely correct when stating that these are titles. The problem arises due to the fact that are titles,general titles at that, and can be applied to any god or gods. Just as daddy, mister and the rest of your list can be applied to any person of male gender. The point is how do you KNOW to WHOM or WHAT you are giving worship to. A name has nothing to due with putting something in a box or trying to contain that which cannot be contained. Names do not Lend to limitations. If anything titles do more to limit something.

Is it not in the scriptures that up to seth man actually conversed with god? A name identifies. It tells specifically who you are referring to. If you yell out hey mister in a crowd of men how many do you think will turn around to? By your logic only the one TRUE mister will answer to this call.

According to scripture god is a jealous god and as you said his wrath is quick. Do you really want to take the chance of god not knowing you really mean him.

To me, the hiding of gods name, the superstitioun arising to not speak the name of the one creator, does more to purposely decieving man to seperate man from the creator. Doesn't the scripture speak of the devil and it's seeds emnity to man and his. Also the devil's intent to lead man astray. What better way than to trick man to worship that which man knows not? How better to do that than to replace the Unique name of god and replace it with vague titles and other manner of confusion.

The question posed is not a light one.

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179. "RE: The trouble with this."
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There is no God but God.
There is only one true mister.

Anything else that you can call upon would be angels. And to call upon them you would have to know the correct pronunciation to the "words of power" that each is assigned to.

THE SPIRIT OF A MAN IS ALL THAT MATTERS. Yes it is important to have the knowledge of God's name, but in that is not where salvation lies. It seems that people here are SUPERSTITIOUS. We will not suffer damnation because we call YAHWEH "Almighty Creator" or "Supreme One" or whatever. There is no place in any scripture that indicates this. The question posed is "Why dont Christians have a name for their God?" It is not "What is Gods name?" And if it was nobody...***NOBODY*** here would be able to say what it is because IT IS UNSPEAKABLE. When God told Moses who he is to say that sent him God did not give Moses His name, He gave him the closest thing man could handle to understanding the depth and breadth of His infinite being.

The commandment states not to take the NAME of the Lord your God in vain. Are we to sit here and honestly believe that as long as we dont say YHVH in vain then we can misuse any other title we associate with God? No. The reason? Our spirit. Even though we might not be saying His name it is who we are thinking about that matters. I call one of my friends Ted. Thats not his name, he does not even respond to it, but if I were to ever say F--K you Ted and mean it. He would know who I was talking about, and he wouldnt be pleased with it. OUR SPIRIT MATTERS first, it is our spirit that takes care of our flesh, not the reverse, "man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart." 1 Samuel 16:8

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someone is taking it there. Exactly!

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190. "This is only a problem if the person is a complete stranger to you"
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If I yell out "mister" in a crowd, and I am familiar with that person, I should be able say, "not you...Him".

As Christians, we should be striving to know God's voice.

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191. "But I'm not Christian and would never want to be..."
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so what does that mean? Break it down.

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180. "because the Christian God is like Clint Eastwood in the Dollars trilogy"
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well, at least in Texas.

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184. "hahahaha... word..."
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tis true... haha...
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188. "RE: hahahaha... word..."
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In response to the..."The only God is God." This is true but not "THE TRUTH". Because HE HIMSELF SAID in the Ten Commandments DO NOT PUT ANY OTHER gods before me. Also if the NAME didnt have salvation, How could the story of Elijah against the Preist of BAAL take place. Also one last tidbit if you have a bible close read ACTS 4:12.

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193. "RE: hahahaha... word..."
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This conversation could really go on for as long as we want it to. I am not saying that we shouldnt be knowledgable of YAHweh or that we do not have a responsibility to know YAHweh as YAHweh, personally I believe there will be a time when ever one on earth will be calling YAH that. I am only saying that the spiritual comes first, and I hope folk here are in agreeance with that. I do have to disagree with the statement that salvation is in the name only because I know that a person can serve and give his/her life to YAHweh before they know his "name." And I will still hold to my earlier statement that names are limiting things. Different characterstics come along with different names. Going back to "words of power," different sounds bring forth different "powers." A picture is worth a thousand words. Why? B/c are words are limited, and are in a constant state of trying to show something. If there are things in this earth that we have described as being beyond words, I am most certain that YAHweh is.

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194. "great points... question..."
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don't you think that the same people who have stolen the original doctrines and studies... have renamed the prophets with their poison prophets... thus people are praying to Satanic messengers even if they don't know it?

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195. "RE: great points... question..."
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I would like you to break it down a little more, b/c I think I know what you are addressing but honestly I dont know. Are you refering to the Zeus/Jesus controversy?

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196. "RE: great points... question..."
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TRUE...TRUE...TRUE...Most Def gotta be the spirit FIRST. Because thats what called Abraham from the UR of Babylon (while still being uncircumsised. A foreshadow for the nations outside Israel).But at the same time Acts 17:30 says "HE winks at us in our times of ignorance, but "NOW" commands "ALL" men to repent. And remember he said you must worship IN SPIRIT and TRUTH. (I speak as a man), I think its personally up to the individual after he/she has been confronted with TRUTH whether they still want to STAY in a LIE. My question is "WHY"?

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197. "RE: great points... question..."
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I agree 100% fo sho.


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198. "Hmm... why lie?"
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Power.

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200. "True"
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Too true


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207. "what about Native American religions?"
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Don't many of them just call their god the "Great Spirit" or something?

So there are other religions that don't have a specific name for their god. So what's the big deal?

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209. "Have you Noticed Something??? All these posts... and..."
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Not one so called Christian has answered a basic question... correctly.
Yet they will die for this shit... some shit they never read. Amazing.

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218. "what would it take for you to believe, Aqua"
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what do "you" think is the answer?

what satifactory to you?

I believe your question was answered, granted you have alot of different angles, but you read the Bible...whats the answer and according to who/what?

  

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210. "You can't be serious."
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I know your playing right?

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215. "you're missing the point: what's in a name?"
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what difference does it make if they have a specific name for god or not?

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221. "there is a huge point.. there is a disconnect in the Bible..."
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I want someone to prove to me that there is not...
Could the same God they speak of in the New Testament not be the same in the Old? Do they lose their sense of clarity? Show me one trace of the same god in the old versus the new. Just one.

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226. "RE: there is a huge point.. there is a disconnect in the Bible..."
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God is balanced. "He" contains the male and the female, for He both initiates and manifests. He destroys and bonds. Ab is the root in Hebrew for Father Em for Mother. Ab also is the root for anything that deals with destruction. Em is the root for Emmah which means to bond bring
together, also cubit (which is what our Father builds with).

God is balanced.
His wrath his hard and quick.
His compassion is deep and patient.
The picture painted in the Old Testament shows alot of wrath (it also covers a greater number of years)
The New Testament shows a lot of compassion.
The Balance is maintained.

No one can discipline like a Father.
No one can love like a Mother.
It is psychological. If you call God Mother you are not going to fear as much as if you were to call God Father. That's just the way it is I dont care how strong or stern the Black single mother is (anyone without a father knows) you just dont fear that woman the same as you would (and oft times do) fear a man. We as humans dont fear God anyway. Why? B/c we think were all going to heaven, that God is too compassionate, "He" loves us all. Now tell me which characteristic are we thinking about when we say those things? Its not the Fatherly side. And this is not to say women are weak, please believe me when I tell you that they are spiritually stronger than a man is (and that's the strength that counts) so I hope I am not coming off sexist. But please, react and respond.

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227. "Too philisophical... and personal... give me something directly"
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from the Bible.
to tie this in... your personal beliefs are dope... but not what answers the question.

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228. "RE: Too philisophical... and personal... give me something directly"
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I was hoping you wouldnt say that.
LOL

B.I.B.L.E. - Gza
Accent on BASIC.

Somethings that I've learned from the Bible are not always the initial surface text message. The initial surface text message is not going to tell you how to build a pyramid. When you read the Bible it reveals the nature of God, and the more you read it the more gets revealed to you over time. It does not say directly that Black people are going to be slaves in Amerikkka, on the other hand it DOES SAY Black people are going to be slaves in Amerikkka. Feel me? So I guess I am saying there is no verse that will directly prove what I am saying, but if you understand God's nature, and the true design that He had for man and woman in how they are to interact with each other, then you can feel where I am coming from since God made man and woman in his image, even that truth alone implies that God is not set only with Male characteristics (it would be foolish for us to limit God to just male anyway). However there is a lot of room for misinterpretation, and the Male European has ran away with that one fo' sho.


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257. "OT God: NT God :: young George Foreman: Foreman Grill George"
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The young Foreman was a big, mean, scary, thunder-throwing behemoth who destroyed his foes and scared the shit out of people; the old Foreman is a big cuddly teddy bear who smiles all the time and who everyone loves. They're still the same person though.

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258. "RE: OT God: NT God :: young George Foreman: Foreman Grill George"
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Sort of true.

But George's nature changed (nasty to nice), feel me?
YAH's doesn't. (He has is and will be... Nasty and Nice)


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220. "The name ever child of God should CALL God..."
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is what they were told to call him.

Father

Our Father who is heaven,
HOLY is your NAME.
Let your kingdom come
and your will be done
on this earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us of our sins
as we forgive those who sin against us.
Do not lead us into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For yours is the Kingdom,
the Power, and the Glory,
for Ever and Ever.
Amen

We had the discussion about different titles we were called instead of our name, Dad is one of them for me. I don't want my children calling me out of my name either. When I think of the "ten commandments" and not taking YAHweh's name in vain, think hard about what vain truly means. All of the mysticisms that we know use the tetragrammaton for their own selfish desires, not for building the Kingdom of YAH. Oft times when we pray we pray selfishly. Just because we know YAH's name does not mean we use it every time we think of God. "HOLY IS YOUR NAME." WE DO NOT APPROACH SOMETHING HOLY WITH OUR SHOES ON (in other words, any way we like). The word that has been translated as "vain" in the hebrew means "untruth" as in a sham, decietfully, without cause (or more specifically without good cause). What is good cause? Anything that edifies YAH's kingdom. My children call me without good cause ALL the TIME, however that does not mean I will not listen (but watch what happens when one of my children calls me by my real name without any reason, a whole notha side of the brotha creeps out)

YAHshua commanded that we pray calling God "Father" (If you would like for me to explain why not Mother, reply and I will do my best, or just jump over to the female divine board). When God told Moses I AM that I AM it was more for pharoah to understand that Moses had charge from the BIG BOSS, not one of the angels in charge of the weather (we must understand the context). Nowhere in that passage does it state that we as a nation are to call God I AM that I AM.

So as far as what we are to call God, it is clearly stated. We call Him Father, for He is Father to us all.


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