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Tiger Woods
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"Poll question: “Coach Prime” is???"


  

          

I have mixed feelings about Coach Prime leaving Jackson St.

One one hand, he brought prominence to the school and helped the program achieve rare excellence. Jackson State is never gonna be Alabama or Ohio State, he’d done his time, he’d positively impacted a lot of people’s lives. And I think in a conference like the Pac 12 he will win early and often and eventually have them in a playoff in 5 years time if he stays that long.

On the other hand, Deion persuaded many overly-qualified young men to forego opportunities at bigger schools - not just competing against better competition on the field but in personal brand opportunities too. He sold many top tier recruits a dream and asked that they curb their personal aspirations in favor of something bigger than themselves…then he bounced. I think we do have to acknowledge the fact Jackson being an HBCU and Prime celebrating that so loudly makes this situation different than, say, Paul Fickell leaving Cincy for Wisconsin.

I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer. I sort of think it’s all true - he’s in his right to leave and I understand why he is, but he’s burning some folks in the process in a way that feels different. Curious where everyone else is at on this.

If I was a Colorado fan or especially player I’d be ecstatic. If I were 5-star WR and Jackson St commit Travis Hunter I’d be heartbroken.

Poll result (20 votes)
Entitled to accept any employment offer he chooses (13 votes)Vote
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Subject Author Message Date ID
RE: “Coach Prime” is???
Dec 04th 2022
1
5m salary and 3x raise for his assistants. math is simple.
Dec 04th 2022
2
Overburdening is rampant
Dec 05th 2022
25
RE: Overburdening is rampant
Dec 07th 2022
50
This!!
Dec 22nd 2022
66
He sold out. It’s as simple as that.
Dec 04th 2022
3
Anyone with half a brain knew that Deion was eventually moving on…
Dec 04th 2022
5
      Right and that’s the problem.
Dec 04th 2022
6
           The “Power 5” conferences are falling apart lol
Dec 04th 2022
8
                No they aren’t.
Dec 04th 2022
11
My nephew is a freshman at CU boulder and he’s ecstatic , I’m excite...
Dec 04th 2022
4
Coach Prime addresses the Colorado players for the 1st time
Dec 04th 2022
7
Prime need to turn over bout 90% of that roster.
Dec 04th 2022
9
Yeah. Won’t be easy.
Dec 04th 2022
12
If he came in like that @ FSU it would’ve been buck .
Dec 04th 2022
13
I bet half of them are stoned out of their minds , edibles and what not
Dec 04th 2022
14
      That’s one racist as comment.
Dec 04th 2022
15
           Its Colorado . The whole state is high, esp the white ppl.
Dec 04th 2022
17
           it’s a Colorado joke man
Dec 04th 2022
18
Fock Deion!
Dec 04th 2022
10
      that was bogus for him to speak on transfer portal.
Dec 04th 2022
16
he's telling CU players to jump into the portal.
Dec 05th 2022
19
and announced his son as starting QB lol
Dec 05th 2022
20
Lucas-ing!
Dec 05th 2022
21
They went 1-11, I’m pretty sure Jackson State can beat them right tod...
Dec 05th 2022
22
just reminding everyone that they all do this
Dec 05th 2022
23
      There has been more outrage about Dion going to Colorado
Dec 05th 2022
24
Fucking over college kids is part of being a college coach
Dec 05th 2022
26
yeah, its definitely how the business works.
Dec 05th 2022
27
so everyone is saying all these 4 and 5 star guys going into the portal....
Dec 06th 2022
28
I think there will be a huge roster turnover like at USC
Dec 06th 2022
29
      of this, i'm quite certain.
Dec 06th 2022
30
      is Colorado playing 12 intrasquad games?
Dec 06th 2022
33
He's basically every other ambitious college coach
Dec 06th 2022
31
basically... n/m
Dec 06th 2022
32
Big difference today is the portal
Dec 06th 2022
34
      RE: Big difference today is the portal
Dec 06th 2022
37
I think his impact on JSU and HBCU athletics is going to fade away quick...
Dec 06th 2022
35
Exactly!
Dec 06th 2022
36
i'm literally listening to a pod as i read your reply...
Dec 06th 2022
38
If he was transparent upfront the blowback wouldn't be so bad now
Dec 06th 2022
39
      Bomani saying basically all this:
Dec 06th 2022
40
      I loved his take on this.
Dec 06th 2022
42
      That’s it and that’s all. The end.
Dec 07th 2022
45
      Bomani had the best take on this from the jump
Dec 07th 2022
46
      Good lawd this is such a good and accurate take.
Dec 12th 2022
64
      people that actually watch football knew he always had his eyes set...
Dec 06th 2022
41
           I don't doubt that
Dec 06th 2022
43
                what realistically did people expect him to do as the "Savior of HBCUs"?
Dec 07th 2022
48
                     I think people expected him to stay longer (at least five years)...
Dec 08th 2022
52
                          RE: I think people expected him to stay longer (at least five years)...
Dec 08th 2022
53
                               I think we're just talking past each other at this point...
Dec 11th 2022
58
Btw Deion pointed out 2 prior coaches of CU were both Black
Dec 07th 2022
44
Black coaches almost always get reclamation projects
Dec 07th 2022
47
      No argument here
Dec 07th 2022
49
Mike Zimmer tp be DC at Colorado Under Deion Sanders...
Dec 07th 2022
51
I'm rooting for Deion now
Dec 08th 2022
54
purple (both are true. isn't it obvious to everyone?)
Dec 11th 2022
55
JSU averaged over 40k in attendance over the past few seasons.
Dec 11th 2022
56
Season tickets are sold out at Colorado, Box suites almost gone too
Dec 11th 2022
57
That’s impressive. I’d love to see the Buffaloes relevant again.
Dec 11th 2022
59
he might want the challenge but CFB seems to suit him better
Dec 11th 2022
60
      Right. My worst nightmare is Deion taking over Florida St...
Dec 11th 2022
61
      RE: Right. My worst nightmare is Deion taking over Florida St...
Dec 24th 2022
67
           No way he ever goes to UF. *maybe* the canes.
Dec 24th 2022
68
      iirc he's said he doesnt want to coach nfl
Dec 11th 2022
62
      I think he’s a master motivator and hyper charismatic recruiter
Dec 12th 2022
63
Travis Hunter transferring to Colorado
Dec 22nd 2022
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jimaveli
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1. "RE: “Coach Prime” is???"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

It seems like humans have an obsession with asking celebrities/athletes/rich folks to take one for the team. And sometimes, I can understand that.

BUT

I generally get off when the request is for people to continually take multiple ones for the team. He went to Jackson State, elevated that program, and made it more of an option to go to a SWAC school when other options were available. Kinda like you said, I see that as ‘he did his job’. And until he left, he was gonna be at risk of messing around and staying too long.

So I can understand the players thinking ‘aww man..prime left me’ and everything that comes with that. But randos chiming in swearing they know what Sanders shoulda done? Nah, I’m not as into that…at least not yet with what we know of the story. It DOES seem like he kept hinting at having to go through a bunch of bull in the background. But again, I don’t know. And really, it seems like coaching anywhere is gonna come with some amount of drama and bullshit behind the scenes?


I have mixed feelings about Coach Prime leaving Jackson St.
>
>One one hand, he brought prominence to the school and helped
>the program achieve rare excellence. Jackson State is never
>gonna be Alabama or Ohio State, he’d done his time, he’d
>positively impacted a lot of people’s lives. And I think in
>a conference like the Pac 12 he will win early and often and
>eventually have them in a playoff in 5 years time if he stays
>that long.
>
>On the other hand, Deion persuaded many overly-qualified young
>men to forego opportunities at bigger schools - not just
>competing against better competition on the field but in
>personal brand opportunities too. He sold many top tier
>recruits a dream and asked that they curb their personal
>aspirations in favor of something bigger than
>themselves…then he bounced. I think we do have to
>acknowledge the fact Jackson being an HBCU and Prime
>celebrating that so loudly makes this situation different
>than, say, Paul Fickell leaving Cincy for Wisconsin.
>
>I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer. I sort of
>think it’s all true - he’s in his right to leave and I
>understand why he is, but he’s burning some folks in the
>process in a way that feels different. Curious where everyone
>else is at on this.
>
>If I was a Colorado fan or especially player I’d be
>ecstatic. If I were 5-star WR and Jackson St commit Travis
>Hunter I’d be heartbroken.

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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2. "5m salary and 3x raise for his assistants. math is simple."
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Sun Dec-04-22 10:52 AM by BrooklynWHAT

  

          

but he is supposed to take one for the culture. aight. niggas need to get out their feelings and be for fucking real.

Prime gave HBCUs a blueprint it's up to them to continue the work but they wont.

and Travis Hunter will be fine. shit he probably going to Colorado too.

what else is Prime supposed to do but sell his current situation to the best of his abilities while he's there. and he never lied about his next move after it
https://twitter.com/FlyoutChase/status/1599254120828788744

be grateful for the time he gave them.

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25. "Overburdening is rampant "
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Like Deion made a major move and statement, but he can't carry the torch for everyone forever.

Every time a Black person breaks a barrier, people are supposed to follow. You can't keep heaping expectations of millions of people on one person.


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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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50. "RE: Overburdening is rampant "
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Sadly, that's kind of how Black American history is taught to us, right?

Things are bad, some super heroic Black person shows up on some ole 'things are bad..but they COULD BE GOOOOOOO! I'm gonna do something! And you should too!'. Of course, people get excited. Then of course, that magical heroic Black person gets somehow hampered or deflated..if not flat out killed.

And we keep finding new people to put in those roles. And of course, some people are fine with playing the role until the ugly part of the game starts, the pressure is on, and..like you've mentioned, basically nothing is good enough unless people are dying, turning down opportunities in the name of keeping it real, or whatever 'standard' we create for that person. IE: black singers being 'black enough', rappers avoiding 'going pop' or 'switching their style up too much', black actors not being in 'enough black movies', or even black folks being too black/too niche/too 'not letting other people in' (Chappelle was getting some of that wight critic hate even before the LGBTQ stuff got to where it got, Solange ate people's face off on A Seat At The Table over a similar type of thing..critics trying to force you into a lane and then being upset when you don't roll with it).

>Like Deion made a major move and statement, but he can't
>carry the torch for everyone forever.
>
>Every time a Black person breaks a barrier, people are
>supposed to follow. You can't keep heaping expectations of
>millions of people on one person.
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>"To Each His Reach"
>
>but.....
>
>Fuck aliens.

  

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66. "This!!"
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http://art-------school.com/

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C

  

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3. "He sold out. It’s as simple as that. "
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Sun Dec-04-22 11:33 AM by allStah

          

He left a black institution to go and work for a white one. That defeated his entire
mission and objective that he consistently preached about.

The focal point was to enhance and fortify the foundation of HBCUs, to change
the culture and perception, and to get top college prospects to select HBCUs over
power 5 schools. The mission was to keep building and building to get the HBCU
conference on the same level as the power 5 conferences.

Instead, he used it as a platform to get him and his offsprings into a power 5 conference.
It was all bullshit, and it’s just another example of us, as black people, selling out to the
other side. We continue to enrich their institutions and de-enrich ours.

So now all those college HBCU college recruits are going to jump ship and follow him
to Colorado, or go to another power 5 school. Those kids originally disregarded the FBS
division to go to the FCS division…They all did it because of coach Prime.

White man came calling and he sold.

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5. "Anyone with half a brain knew that Deion was eventually moving on…"
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to a bigger better job, like I said earlier his ultimate goal is probably FSU or one of the top SEC programs and CU is a stepping stone towards that.

He’s been telegraphing all along the if the bigger schools came calling he would listen.

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6. "Right and that’s the problem."
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Sun Dec-04-22 01:20 PM by allStah

          

So I don’t want hear shit from anyone about black schools not getting
attention or being under appreciated, when black individuals are the ones
who are not supporting their own institutions.

HBCUs in basketball play division 1 ball, so they have an opportunity to
play in the NCAA tournament. Deion talked all that crap about getting
HBCU football into the big bowl games and possibly even being elevated to
FBS. He said that was one of his MAIN goals. It was all bullshit.

Deion coached at JSU for only 2 seasons, and his presence created a lot
of progression and energy for HBCUs. Now imagine what would have been
accomplished had he stayed for 5-10 years…or stayed permanently.

The point was to turn the HBCU conference into a power conference
so that black coaches don’t have to jump ship to a power 5 conference….

Now a white university is going to USE Deion’s presence and image to make
billions and bring in top recruits… and HBCUs are going to fade back into
oblivion.

He sold, and it’s sad. He didn’t have to. He has millions already, and his offsprings
were going to get attention anyway because of their name….

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8. "The “Power 5” conferences are falling apart lol"
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________________________________________
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11. "No they aren’t."
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They aren’t going anywhere…

People thought the Big 12 was going to drop off years ago….
TCU has risen up as a power, and Cincinnati will be playing in the
conference next season.

Look at UTAH in the PAC 12, they are rising up as power….as USC and
UCLA are headed to the big 10

Power 5s are going anywhere



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4. "My nephew is a freshman at CU boulder and he’s ecstatic , I’m excite..."
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(BTW it’s easily one of the most beautiful and scenic campuses I’ve ever seen, right at the base of the Rocky Mountains that literally tower over you every moment )


Colorado athletics have been largely dead since Chauncey Billups and Kordell Stewart / Rahsaan Salaam days (RIP) and this hire has the entire campus buzzing . The GOVERNOR of Colorado and mayors of Boulder and Denver are meeting w him lol

This is the biggest news in the state since the Avalanche won the cup and Jokic got MVP

It sucks for Jackson State but this is the exact reason players should choose a school they’d like to be at even if the coach got canned or left

, and Colorado fans better hope that FSU does well bc that’s his ultimate goal I think , I doubt he wants to coach at the pro level



>I have mixed feelings about Coach Prime leaving Jackson St.
>
>One one hand, he brought prominence to the school and helped
>the program achieve rare excellence. Jackson State is never
>gonna be Alabama or Ohio State, he’d done his time, he’d
>positively impacted a lot of people’s lives. And I think in
>a conference like the Pac 12 he will win early and often and
>eventually have them in a playoff in 5 years time if he stays
>that long.
>
>On the other hand, Deion persuaded many overly-qualified young
>men to forego opportunities at bigger schools - not just
>competing against better competition on the field but in
>personal brand opportunities too. He sold many top tier
>recruits a dream and asked that they curb their personal
>aspirations in favor of something bigger than
>themselves…then he bounced. I think we do have to
>acknowledge the fact Jackson being an HBCU and Prime
>celebrating that so loudly makes this situation different
>than, say, Paul Fickell leaving Cincy for Wisconsin.
>
>I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer. I sort of
>think it’s all true - he’s in his right to leave and I
>understand why he is, but he’s burning some folks in the
>process in a way that feels different. Curious where everyone
>else is at on this.
>
>If I was a Colorado fan or especially player I’d be
>ecstatic. If I were 5-star WR and Jackson St commit Travis
>Hunter I’d be heartbroken.

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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7. "Coach Prime addresses the Colorado players for the 1st time"
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Sun Dec-04-22 04:37 PM by guru0509

  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Io3jCH5bU


edit, different clip where he tells his JSU plaeyrs that he is leaving...
brutal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3HXEeBz3SU

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9. "Prime need to turn over bout 90% of that roster."
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Dead vibes up in there

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12. "Yeah. Won’t be easy."
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>Dead vibes up in there
This is why I’m not sure this was the right move for him.

That said, If he gets them to challenge for pac-12 in a few years, he needs to go to the league from there

I just don’t want him returning to fsu and winning title(s) 🤪

  

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13. "If he came in like that @ FSU it would’ve been buck ."
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That was lame

  

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14. "I bet half of them are stoned out of their minds , edibles and what not"
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>Dead vibes up in there


they gonna be looking WAY different next year lmao

Dreads n Golds (c) shoutout to FireBrand

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15. "That’s one racist as comment."
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You must be white.

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17. "Its Colorado . The whole state is high, esp the white ppl. "
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>You must be white.

oh yea, I'm super white. I eat supper with a glass of milk at 5pm.

EVERYONE there sounds like a pothead / stoner.

There's a goddamn dispensary every 10 feet.

Deion is definitely going to be kicking a few players off the team every year for this. Its going to be interesting to see how he deals with it.

The Dreads and Golds was a nod to SEC speeeeeed (that FireBrand and Isa came up with )

a long time college football reference here in OKsports before you showed up

Deion will definitely recruit the hell out of Florida Texas and the South in addition to California

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18. "it’s a Colorado joke man"
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10. "Fock Deion!"
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Sun Dec-04-22 04:54 PM by allStah

          

How the hell is he going to tell those kids not to go into the transfer portal, and he
is basically transferring to another school himself.

He lied to every last one of those kids….they have no reason to listen to
him anymore.

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16. "that was bogus for him to speak on transfer portal."
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I wish he'd given it more time too, but such is the business. he's not different that pretty much every other big name coach. they all promise forever and leave or get fired.

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19. "he's telling CU players to jump into the portal. "
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1599541937140535296

this might be wild ride.

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20. "and announced his son as starting QB lol"
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21. "Lucas-ing!"
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https://hbcusports.com/2022/07/05/chelsey-lucas-fired-as-grambling-state-volleyball-coach/?amp

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22. "They went 1-11, I’m pretty sure Jackson State can beat them right tod..."
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>https://twitter.com/i/status/1599541937140535296
>
>this might be wild ride.

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23. "just reminding everyone that they all do this"
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when Riley got to USC, he publicly told everyone they needed to turn over at least 35 players on the current roster

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24. "There has been more outrage about Dion going to Colorado"
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Than Brett Favre stealing from Mississippi's welfare fund.

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26. "Fucking over college kids is part of being a college coach"
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Neon def sold a bunch of recruits on some bullshit to get them to sign/stay, and traded on the history and legacy of HBCUs to do it. That's what coaches do, though. I'd be willing to bet other SWAC coaches sell that same line to land recruits, but don't get the high level recruits because they're not Deion.

That being said, I don't judge him any more than I do all the other scumbag coaches who jump teams for better pay/more opportunity.

At least now players have a little more flexibility in being able to move around than they used to. It used to be way worse.

College football has been gross. Deion has always been a bit of a self promoter. Jackson State seems to have benefited from the relationship. So it goes. I don't think we need to demonize Neon on this one, nor do we need to give him a pat on the back as some humanitarian for his work at JSU - but he did win.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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27. "yeah, its definitely how the business works."
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he was a comet for JSU, but he did what they all do when they're name is hot.

I think this is a bad job for him, but we'll see how it goes over the next couple of years.

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28. "so everyone is saying all these 4 and 5 star guys going into the portal...."
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is to go play for Prime.

does anyone here buy that? i mean, there's only so many guys he can take, so....?

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29. "I think there will be a huge roster turnover like at USC"
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One of the funny comments I read was about Sander's son playing QB at Colorado. People are saying, "Let's see what you do with real competition."

I'm pretty sure Jackson St. could have beaten Colorado this year.

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30. "of this, i'm quite certain."
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>I'm pretty sure Jackson St. could have beaten Colorado this
>year.

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33. "is Colorado playing 12 intrasquad games?"
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what does JSU being better than Colorado have to do with anything?

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31. "He's basically every other ambitious college coach"
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That's the game these days. I'm sure Urban Meyer sold a lot of kids the dream at Bowling Green before he bounced to Utah. And then to Florida.

Remember all the "BETRAYAL!" talk when Kiffin left Tennessee for USC?

What Sanders isn't any better or worse than many, many hot coaches have done for decades. He's out to "better deal" himself into a position at FSU, or some comparable program, where he can get REALLY paid.

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32. "basically... n/m"
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34. "Big difference today is the portal"
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Prior, kids were stuck. Now they can bounce too.


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37. "RE: Big difference today is the portal"
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>Prior, kids were stuck. Now they can bounce too.
>
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And with the portal, its kinda all good as long as the coaching play the game straight up. Aka don't lie like you're a lifer and then be Swayze 2 weeks later. Sanders seemed to be about a straight up as I'd want.

  

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35. "I think his impact on JSU and HBCU athletics is going to fade away quick..."
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Sponsors, media, donors are going to show up next fall and see no Deion and the leftovers of his players and coaches. There'll be little to no sign that Prime had been there so they'll let whatever short term financial commitments they made expire and the business of HBCU athletics will revert back to what it's been.

Reality is that to make institutional change of the kind HE promised, you need alot of time to develop the processes, relationships and people to make a lasting change and to carry on your legacy.

I think the part that really irks some people is that teaching and working at HBCU's is often seen as a VOCATION by the people involved. Some folks at those schools could be making more in more prestigious jobs but they decided teaching and supporting black students was the highest calling for their talents.

Deion wrapped himself in that cloak... even though he's always been clear that his well being has always been his #1 priority.

So, I don't think anyone is surprised by him leaving. He's been clear he was going to.... I'm just among those that thought he could've really done something memorable and lasting by staying.



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36. "Exactly!"
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It’s not about business as usual at HBCUs. It’s for the history, legacy and to
continue to build upon that as new generations come along.

Had Deion did that at some PWI, then fine. It’s business as usual for them, where the
coaches and institutions devour each other. That’s not the culture of HBCUs.

The focal point is to construct HBCUs into a billion dollar platform, where players
coaches and teachers don’t have to go to a PWI. Deion treated it as just another
business opportunity. The HBCU experience was nothing but a stepping stone
or doormat for him.

Whitey wouldn’t hire him in the beginning, so he went to JSU looking for
a chance/ opportunity. They obliged. They hired him when power 5 conferences
wouldn’t even consider him for a head coaching position. …

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38. "i'm literally listening to a pod as i read your reply..."
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where they are debating about what he actually did for HBCUs.

and, i think their conclusion is: not much ultimately.

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39. "If he was transparent upfront the blowback wouldn't be so bad now"
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When he signed on, his rationale for joining JSU was more of a religious calling to provide better opportunities for young Black men and HBCUs.

But he bounced two years later before his mission to provide long-term structures to elevate the quality of opportunities provided by HBCUs and JSU specifically. So, how strong was his calling if his fancy changed after such a short amount of time?

In the end, Deion has always been about Deion. I can't fault a scorpion for stinging the frog when that's what he is. So, I'm not terribly upset that he took the opportunity. It's so rare that Black coaches get head coaching jobs, and especially when they have the tailwind of support CU is showing Deion. Quiet as it's kept, his taking the job is still moving the needle forward as far as opportunities for Black male head coaches.

I don't think he sold out or anything that extreme, but it is disappointing that he exploited Black people's need to see those who made it come back and serve the community.

He "did it for the culture." But he did it when it was convenient for him and only for him. And I think that's why people are upset. He claimed to be leading a movement, and the only thing the movement served was him.

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40. "Bomani saying basically all this: "
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https://twitter.com/JoPrestonTV/status/1600126268187590656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1600126268187590656%7Ctwgr%5Ed0688bdaaf605a553eec2eede3fbad482c9d08c7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege%2F2022%2F12%2F06%2Fbomani-jones-reacts-deion-sanders-leaving-jackson-state-for-colorado

  

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42. "I loved his take on this."
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45. "That’s it and that’s all. The end."
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<---
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46. "Bomani had the best take on this from the jump"
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64. "Good lawd this is such a good and accurate take."
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41. "people that actually watch football knew he always had his eyes set..."
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on bigger and better things

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43. "I don't doubt that"
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And while I'm disappointed that he left so early, it is a good opportunity and I hope he succeeds.

I don't think folks would be upset if other coaches in the SWAC found jobs at P5 institutions. But they also didn't make themselves out to be the Savior of HBCUs.

But if that was his intent, then just tell the fans and supporters that he wants to do his best to build up JSU and then try and latch on to a P5 school. I think people are upset that they were sold false goods more than that he left.

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48. "what realistically did people expect him to do as the "Savior of HBCUs"?"
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>And while I'm disappointed that he left so early, it is a
>good opportunity and I hope he succeeds.
>
>I don't think folks would be upset if other coaches in the
>SWAC found jobs at P5 institutions. But they also didn't make
>themselves out to be the Savior of HBCUs.
>
>But if that was his intent, then just tell the fans and
>supporters that he wants to do his best to build up JSU and
>then try and latch on to a P5 school. I think people are upset
>that they were sold false goods more than that he left.

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52. "I think people expected him to stay longer (at least five years)..."
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... and set JSU for sustained success and as a result boost the SWAC. But that's only because he set his reasons for being at JSU as being a calling in some way.

I admit that my disappointment comes from personally not liking Deion's constant self-promotion in general and how he misrepresented his intent.

To me, he has an outsized sense of confidence which obviously served him well as an athlete and to reach the level of success he's attained. It's worked out since "it's not cocky if you back it up" and to his credit, he has.

But viewing him now as an adult, he seems obnoxious. So, I'm not fully detached here.

Maybe I'm upset that I got played when I should be mad for other reasons.

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53. "RE: I think people expected him to stay longer (at least five years)..."
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https://www.facebook.com/408320822597638/posts/pfbid0ivxEW4ZdqdksUGFD4qpgnjTKycukLxbaNqZ5SvTJq2sD853yKJDzg7w6J9kQ5Xi2l/?mibextid=cr9u03

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58. "I think we're just talking past each other at this point..."
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... so, I'll just say, I wish him success at CU and am glad he took on the challenge at JSU. But, I don't think he should talk about athletics and God at the same time.

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44. "Btw Deion pointed out 2 prior coaches of CU were both Black"
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...and hes the 3rd. That's pretty admirable of the Buffalos,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PqHZ3Tow4kk

someone cynincal would say "yea African American coaches can only get the worst job in America" but its also the easiest , bc all you have to do is win TWO games for it to be an improvement lol


>I have mixed feelings about Coach Prime leaving Jackson St.
>
>One one hand, he brought prominence to the school and helped
>the program achieve rare excellence. Jackson State is never
>gonna be Alabama or Ohio State, he’d done his time, he’d
>positively impacted a lot of people’s lives. And I think in
>a conference like the Pac 12 he will win early and often and
>eventually have them in a playoff in 5 years time if he stays
>that long.
>
>On the other hand, Deion persuaded many overly-qualified young
>men to forego opportunities at bigger schools - not just
>competing against better competition on the field but in
>personal brand opportunities too. He sold many top tier
>recruits a dream and asked that they curb their personal
>aspirations in favor of something bigger than
>themselves…then he bounced. I think we do have to
>acknowledge the fact Jackson being an HBCU and Prime
>celebrating that so loudly makes this situation different
>than, say, Paul Fickell leaving Cincy for Wisconsin.
>
>I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer. I sort of
>think it’s all true - he’s in his right to leave and I
>understand why he is, but he’s burning some folks in the
>process in a way that feels different. Curious where everyone
>else is at on this.
>
>If I was a Colorado fan or especially player I’d be
>ecstatic. If I were 5-star WR and Jackson St commit Travis
>Hunter I’d be heartbroken.

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47. "Black coaches almost always get reclamation projects"
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49. "No argument here"
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>And that's what Colorado is.
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51. "Mike Zimmer tp be DC at Colorado Under Deion Sanders..."
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https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/report-former-bengals-defensive-coordinator-mike-zimmer-taking-same-role-at-colorado-under-deion-sanders

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54. "I'm rooting for Deion now"
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more ambivalent before, but the amount of people blindly hating on this move is insane (and for some not so subtle reasons). stuff I've seen:

- Jackson State meant nothing because he had so much better talent

Kirby Smart: "There’s no coach out there who can out-coach recruiting, I don’t care who you are. The best coach to ever coach the game better be a good recruiter because no coaching is going to out-coach players. If you don’t recruit, guys, you’ve got no chance.”

- Sanders is not a tactician and will struggle against P5 coaching

I haven't watched his teams really, but I doubt the people saying this have watched his teams either. to blindly say he doesn't know football when he is a NFL Hall of Famer is something, though.

- he's just a CEO coach and his new assistants will do the heavy lifting

DABO SWINNEY SMILES WITH 2 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GOLD TEETH

- Mike Zimmer alienated players with the Vikings

NFL defensive coordinator with proven record and head coaching experience is somehow a bad hire

...the list goes on

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55. "purple (both are true. isn't it obvious to everyone?)"
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like, deion's most dominant, trademark trait is ego/narcissism, right?

it's who he is. anyone mad b/c he wasn't an hbcu purist let that fact fall completely off the radar, b/c this is definitely some deion type shit to do.

but, otoh, most high level athletes, and coaches, and owners are narcissists, and this shouldn't be more surprising than any random ass dude who gets a job at underdog U, transforms them into local or regional contenders, and then bounces as soon as they get the big check from bumfuck tech.

this the entire game.

anybody who believed he would pass up opportunities long term to deliver the glory of hbcu athletics is poasting from the pumpkin patch w/ linus and holding footballs for lucy.


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56. "JSU averaged over 40k in attendance over the past few seasons. "
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Equal to Colorado and even greater than some programs with much greater resources: California, Stanford, UCLA, Georgia Tech, Maryland, UVA, and Louisville among others. That is beyond impressive. Prior to Deion arriving, I think their attendance was in the 20-30,000 range - which is still impressive. I’m sure Prime Time gave the city of Jackson a much needed boost to its slumping economy. He definitely gave the program hope and a glimmer - albeit fleeting - of what they can achieve. That would be cool if the program could sustain this pace, but it would be incredibly naive to expect that. Just as it would be naive to expect Prime to stick around for 10+ years at JSU.

Down the road, I do think people/football historians will look back to his stint at JSU with great reverence and fascination.

Colorado is an interesting choice. There is precedent for Colorado being a highly competitive team, but that now seems like a lifetime ago. That national recruiting scene has changed so much that it just seems unfathomable that you can dominate in places like Colorado. It will definitely be fun to watch him rebuild that program. I highly doubt he stays there longer than 5 years though. My gut tells me he’ll use CFB as a springboard to the NFL.

  

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57. "Season tickets are sold out at Colorado, Box suites almost gone too"
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its kind of remarkable how much one hire has made such a difference in a mid-size sleepy town at the foothills of the Rockies lol

Coach Prime sounds like an Amazon related product though, he needs to just stick with coach Sanders


>Equal to Colorado and even greater than some programs with
>much greater resources: California, Stanford, UCLA, Georgia
>Tech, Maryland, UVA, and Louisville among others. That is
>beyond impressive. Prior to Deion arriving, I think their
>attendance was in the 20-30,000 range - which is still
>impressive. I’m sure Prime Time gave the city of Jackson a
>much needed boost to its slumping economy. He definitely gave
>the program hope and a glimmer - albeit fleeting - of what
>they can achieve. That would be cool if the program could
>sustain this pace, but it would be incredibly naive to expect
>that. Just as it would be naive to expect Prime to stick
>around for 10+ years at JSU.
>
>Down the road, I do think people/football historians will look
>back to his stint at JSU with great reverence and fascination.
>
>
>Colorado is an interesting choice. There is precedent for
>Colorado being a highly competitive team, but that now seems
>like a lifetime ago. That national recruiting scene has
>changed so much that it just seems unfathomable that you can
>dominate in places like Colorado. It will definitely be fun
>to watch him rebuild that program. I highly doubt he stays
>there longer than 5 years though. My gut tells me he’ll use
>CFB as a springboard to the NFL.

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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59. "That’s impressive. I’d love to see the Buffaloes relevant again. "
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Before my older brother went to Texas, Colorado was my favorite Big 8/12 team. They were involved in a lot of big games back in the day and their night games always seemed lit.

  

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60. "he might want the challenge but CFB seems to suit him better"
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>My gut tells me he’ll use
>CFB as a springboard to the NFL.

his persona is perfect for the talent accumulation game of college football -- seriously, he got the #1 overall recruit to come to Jackson State -- and the NFL is more paint by the numbers and constraining

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61. "Right. My worst nightmare is Deion taking over Florida St..."
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>his persona is perfect for the talent accumulation game of
>college football -- seriously, he got the #1 overall recruit
>to come to Jackson State -- and the NFL is more paint by the
>numbers and constraining

  

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67. "RE: Right. My worst nightmare is Deion taking over Florida St..."
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Mine is him taking over at UF by 2024/25, and FSU is stupid enough to allow it to happen.


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68. "No way he ever goes to UF. *maybe* the canes."
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62. "iirc he's said he doesnt want to coach nfl"
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63. "I think he’s a master motivator and hyper charismatic recruiter "
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There’s precedent for guys like that thriving too, that’s basically the Ed Orgeron model. Coach O admits to only really being a D-line expert, but he can get good kids and then get said kids to play.

I have no idea if Deion can “coach ball” , but he can obviously recruit and inspire.

  

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65. "Travis Hunter transferring to Colorado"
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