I have mixed feelings about Coach Prime leaving Jackson St.

One one hand, he brought prominence to the school and helped the program achieve rare excellence. Jackson State is never gonna be Alabama or Ohio State, he’d done his time, he’d positively impacted a lot of people’s lives. And I think in a conference like the Pac 12 he will win early and often and eventually have them in a playoff in 5 years time if he stays that long.

On the other hand, Deion persuaded many overly-qualified young men to forego opportunities at bigger schools - not just competing against better competition on the field but in personal brand opportunities too. He sold many top tier recruits a dream and asked that they curb their personal aspirations in favor of something bigger than themselves…then he bounced. I think we do have to acknowledge the fact Jackson being an HBCU and Prime celebrating that so loudly makes this situation different than, say, Paul Fickell leaving Cincy for Wisconsin.

I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer. I sort of think it’s all true - he’s in his right to leave and I understand why he is, but he’s burning some folks in the process in a way that feels different. Curious where everyone else is at on this.

If I was a Colorado fan or especially player I’d be ecstatic. If I were 5-star WR and Jackson St commit Travis Hunter I’d be heartbroken.

Poll question: “Coach Prime” is???

Poll result (21 votes) Entitled to accept any employment offer he chooses (14 votes) Vote Out for self (7 votes) Vote

It seems like humans have an obsession with asking celebrities/athletes/rich folks to take one for the team. And sometimes, I can understand that.

BUT

I generally get off when the request is for people to continually take multiple ones for the team. He went to Jackson State, elevated that program, and made it more of an option to go to a SWAC school when other options were available. Kinda like you said, I see that as ‘he did his job’. And until he left, he was gonna be at risk of messing around and staying too long.

So I can understand the players thinking ‘aww man..prime left me’ and everything that comes with that. But randos chiming in swearing they know what Sanders shoulda done? Nah, I’m not as into that…at least not yet with what we know of the story. It DOES seem like he kept hinting at having to go through a bunch of bull in the background. But again, I don’t know. And really, it seems like coaching anywhere is gonna come with some amount of drama and bullshit behind the scenes?


I have mixed feelings about Coach Prime leaving Jackson St.
>
>One one hand, he brought prominence to the school and helped
>the program achieve rare excellence. Jackson State is never
>gonna be Alabama or Ohio State, he’d done his time, he’d
>positively impacted a lot of people’s lives. And I think in
>a conference like the Pac 12 he will win early and often and
>eventually have them in a playoff in 5 years time if he stays
>that long.
>
>On the other hand, Deion persuaded many overly-qualified young
>men to forego opportunities at bigger schools - not just
>competing against better competition on the field but in
>personal brand opportunities too. He sold many top tier
>recruits a dream and asked that they curb their personal
>aspirations in favor of something bigger than
>themselves…then he bounced. I think we do have to
>acknowledge the fact Jackson being an HBCU and Prime
>celebrating that so loudly makes this situation different
>than, say, Paul Fickell leaving Cincy for Wisconsin.
>
>I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer. I sort of
>think it’s all true - he’s in his right to leave and I
>understand why he is, but he’s burning some folks in the
>process in a way that feels different. Curious where everyone
>else is at on this.
>
>If I was a Colorado fan or especially player I’d be
>ecstatic. If I were 5-star WR and Jackson St commit Travis
>Hunter I’d be heartbroken.

but he is supposed to take one for the culture. aight. niggas need to get out their feelings and be for fucking real.

Prime gave HBCUs a blueprint it's up to them to continue the work but they wont.

and Travis Hunter will be fine. shit he probably going to Colorado too.

what else is Prime supposed to do but sell his current situation to the best of his abilities while he's there. and he never lied about his next move after it
https://twitter.com/FlyoutChase/status/1599254120828788744

be grateful for the time he gave them.

Like Deion made a major move and statement, but he can't carry the torch for everyone forever.

Every time a Black person breaks a barrier, people are supposed to follow. You can't keep heaping expectations of millions of people on one person.


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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

Sadly, that's kind of how Black American history is taught to us, right?

Things are bad, some super heroic Black person shows up on some ole 'things are bad..but they COULD BE GOOOOOOO! I'm gonna do something! And you should too!'. Of course, people get excited. Then of course, that magical heroic Black person gets somehow hampered or deflated..if not flat out killed.

And we keep finding new people to put in those roles. And of course, some people are fine with playing the role until the ugly part of the game starts, the pressure is on, and..like you've mentioned, basically nothing is good enough unless people are dying, turning down opportunities in the name of keeping it real, or whatever 'standard' we create for that person. IE: black singers being 'black enough', rappers avoiding 'going pop' or 'switching their style up too much', black actors not being in 'enough black movies', or even black folks being too black/too niche/too 'not letting other people in' (Chappelle was getting some of that wight critic hate even before the LGBTQ stuff got to where it got, Solange ate people's face off on A Seat At The Table over a similar type of thing..critics trying to force you into a lane and then being upset when you don't roll with it).

>Like Deion made a major move and statement, but he can't
>carry the torch for everyone forever.
>
>Every time a Black person breaks a barrier, people are
>supposed to follow. You can't keep heaping expectations of
>millions of people on one person.
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>"To Each His Reach"
>
>but.....
>
>Fuck aliens.

http://art-------school.com/

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C

He left a black institution to go and work for a white one. That defeated his entire
mission and objective that he consistently preached about.

The focal point was to enhance and fortify the foundation of HBCUs, to change
the culture and perception, and to get top college prospects to select HBCUs over
power 5 schools. The mission was to keep building and building to get the HBCU
conference on the same level as the power 5 conferences.

Instead, he used it as a platform to get him and his offsprings into a power 5 conference.
It was all bullshit, and it’s just another example of us, as black people, selling out to the
other side. We continue to enrich their institutions and de-enrich ours.

So now all those college HBCU college recruits are going to jump ship and follow him
to Colorado, or go to another power 5 school. Those kids originally disregarded the FBS
division to go to the FCS division…They all did it because of coach Prime.

White man came calling and he sold.

to a bigger better job, like I said earlier his ultimate goal is probably FSU or one of the top SEC programs and CU is a stepping stone towards that.

He’s been telegraphing all along the if the bigger schools came calling he would listen.

So I don’t want hear shit from anyone about black schools not getting
attention or being under appreciated, when black individuals are the ones
who are not supporting their own institutions.

HBCUs in basketball play division 1 ball, so they have an opportunity to
play in the NCAA tournament. Deion talked all that crap about getting
HBCU football into the big bowl games and possibly even being elevated to
FBS. He said that was one of his MAIN goals. It was all bullshit.

Deion coached at JSU for only 2 seasons, and his presence created a lot
of progression and energy for HBCUs. Now imagine what would have been
accomplished had he stayed for 5-10 years…or stayed permanently.

The point was to turn the HBCU conference into a power conference
so that black coaches don’t have to jump ship to a power 5 conference….

Now a white university is going to USE Deion’s presence and image to make
billions and bring in top recruits… and HBCUs are going to fade back into
oblivion.

He sold, and it’s sad. He didn’t have to. He has millions already, and his offsprings
were going to get attention anyway because of their name….

They aren’t going anywhere…

People thought the Big 12 was going to drop off years ago….
TCU has risen up as a power, and Cincinnati will be playing in the
conference next season.

Look at UTAH in the PAC 12, they are rising up as power….as USC and
UCLA are headed to the big 10

Power 5s are going anywhere

(BTW it’s easily one of the most beautiful and scenic campuses I’ve ever seen, right at the base of the Rocky Mountains that literally tower over you every moment )


Colorado athletics have been largely dead since Chauncey Billups and Kordell Stewart / Rahsaan Salaam days (RIP) and this hire has the entire campus buzzing . The GOVERNOR of Colorado and mayors of Boulder and Denver are meeting w him lol

This is the biggest news in the state since the Avalanche won the cup and Jokic got MVP

It sucks for Jackson State but this is the exact reason players should choose a school they’d like to be at even if the coach got canned or left

, and Colorado fans better hope that FSU does well bc that’s his ultimate goal I think , I doubt he wants to coach at the pro level



>I have mixed feelings about Coach Prime leaving Jackson St.
>
>One one hand, he brought prominence to the school and helped
>the program achieve rare excellence. Jackson State is never
>gonna be Alabama or Ohio State, he’d done his time, he’d
>positively impacted a lot of people’s lives. And I think in
>a conference like the Pac 12 he will win early and often and
>eventually have them in a playoff in 5 years time if he stays
>that long.
>
>On the other hand, Deion persuaded many overly-qualified young
>men to forego opportunities at bigger schools - not just
>competing against better competition on the field but in
>personal brand opportunities too. He sold many top tier
>recruits a dream and asked that they curb their personal
>aspirations in favor of something bigger than
>themselves…then he bounced. I think we do have to
>acknowledge the fact Jackson being an HBCU and Prime
>celebrating that so loudly makes this situation different
>than, say, Paul Fickell leaving Cincy for Wisconsin.
>
>I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer. I sort of
>think it’s all true - he’s in his right to leave and I
>understand why he is, but he’s burning some folks in the
>process in a way that feels different. Curious where everyone
>else is at on this.
>
>If I was a Colorado fan or especially player I’d be
>ecstatic. If I were 5-star WR and Jackson St commit Travis
>Hunter I’d be heartbroken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Io3jCH5bU


edit, different clip where he tells his JSU plaeyrs that he is leaving...
brutal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3HXEeBz3SU

Dead vibes up in there

>Dead vibes up in there
This is why I’m not sure this was the right move for him.

That said, If he gets them to challenge for pac-12 in a few years, he needs to go to the league from there

I just don’t want him returning to fsu and winning title(s) 🤪

That was lame

>Dead vibes up in there


they gonna be looking WAY different next year lmao

Dreads n Golds (c) shoutout to FireBrand

You must be white.

>You must be white.

oh yea, I'm super white. I eat supper with a glass of milk at 5pm.

EVERYONE there sounds like a pothead / stoner.

There's a goddamn dispensary every 10 feet.

Deion is definitely going to be kicking a few players off the team every year for this. Its going to be interesting to see how he deals with it.

The Dreads and Golds was a nod to SEC speeeeeed (that FireBrand and Isa came up with )

a long time college football reference here in OKsports before you showed up

Deion will definitely recruit the hell out of Florida Texas and the South in addition to California

How the hell is he going to tell those kids not to go into the transfer portal, and he
is basically transferring to another school himself.

He lied to every last one of those kids….they have no reason to listen to
him anymore.

I wish he'd given it more time too, but such is the business. he's not different that pretty much every other big name coach. they all promise forever and leave or get fired.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1599541937140535296

this might be wild ride.

https://hbcusports.com/2022/07/05/chelsey-lucas-fired-as-grambling-state-volleyball-coach/?amp

>https://twitter.com/i/status/1599541937140535296
>
>this might be wild ride.

when Riley got to USC, he publicly told everyone they needed to turn over at least 35 players on the current roster

Than Brett Favre stealing from Mississippi's welfare fund.

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Neon def sold a bunch of recruits on some bullshit to get them to sign/stay, and traded on the history and legacy of HBCUs to do it. That's what coaches do, though. I'd be willing to bet other SWAC coaches sell that same line to land recruits, but don't get the high level recruits because they're not Deion.

That being said, I don't judge him any more than I do all the other scumbag coaches who jump teams for better pay/more opportunity.

At least now players have a little more flexibility in being able to move around than they used to. It used to be way worse.

College football has been gross. Deion has always been a bit of a self promoter. Jackson State seems to have benefited from the relationship. So it goes. I don't think we need to demonize Neon on this one, nor do we need to give him a pat on the back as some humanitarian for his work at JSU - but he did win.

he was a comet for JSU, but he did what they all do when they're name is hot.

I think this is a bad job for him, but we'll see how it goes over the next couple of years.

is to go play for Prime.

does anyone here buy that? i mean, there's only so many guys he can take, so....?

One of the funny comments I read was about Sander's son playing QB at Colorado. People are saying, "Let's see what you do with real competition."

I'm pretty sure Jackson St. could have beaten Colorado this year.

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>I'm pretty sure Jackson St. could have beaten Colorado this
>year.

what does JSU being better than Colorado have to do with anything?

That's the game these days. I'm sure Urban Meyer sold a lot of kids the dream at Bowling Green before he bounced to Utah. And then to Florida.

Remember all the "BETRAYAL!" talk when Kiffin left Tennessee for USC?

What Sanders isn't any better or worse than many, many hot coaches have done for decades. He's out to "better deal" himself into a position at FSU, or some comparable program, where he can get REALLY paid.

Prior, kids were stuck. Now they can bounce too.


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>Prior, kids were stuck. Now they can bounce too.
>
>
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And with the portal, its kinda all good as long as the coaching play the game straight up. Aka don't lie like you're a lifer and then be Swayze 2 weeks later. Sanders seemed to be about a straight up as I'd want.

Sponsors, media, donors are going to show up next fall and see no Deion and the leftovers of his players and coaches. There'll be little to no sign that Prime had been there so they'll let whatever short term financial commitments they made expire and the business of HBCU athletics will revert back to what it's been.

Reality is that to make institutional change of the kind HE promised, you need alot of time to develop the processes, relationships and people to make a lasting change and to carry on your legacy.

I think the part that really irks some people is that teaching and working at HBCU's is often seen as a VOCATION by the people involved. Some folks at those schools could be making more in more prestigious jobs but they decided teaching and supporting black students was the highest calling for their talents.

Deion wrapped himself in that cloak... even though he's always been clear that his well being has always been his #1 priority.

So, I don't think anyone is surprised by him leaving. He's been clear he was going to.... I'm just among those that thought he could've really done something memorable and lasting by staying.

It’s not about business as usual at HBCUs. It’s for the history, legacy and to
continue to build upon that as new generations come along.

Had Deion did that at some PWI, then fine. It’s business as usual for them, where the
coaches and institutions devour each other. That’s not the culture of HBCUs.

The focal point is to construct HBCUs into a billion dollar platform, where players
coaches and teachers don’t have to go to a PWI. Deion treated it as just another
business opportunity. The HBCU experience was nothing but a stepping stone
or doormat for him.

Whitey wouldn’t hire him in the beginning, so he went to JSU looking for
a chance/ opportunity. They obliged. They hired him when power 5 conferences
wouldn’t even consider him for a head coaching position. …

where they are debating about what he actually did for HBCUs.

and, i think their conclusion is: not much ultimately.

When he signed on, his rationale for joining JSU was more of a religious calling to provide better opportunities for young Black men and HBCUs.

But he bounced two years later before his mission to provide long-term structures to elevate the quality of opportunities provided by HBCUs and JSU specifically. So, how strong was his calling if his fancy changed after such a short amount of time?

In the end, Deion has always been about Deion. I can't fault a scorpion for stinging the frog when that's what he is. So, I'm not terribly upset that he took the opportunity. It's so rare that Black coaches get head coaching jobs, and especially when they have the tailwind of support CU is showing Deion. Quiet as it's kept, his taking the job is still moving the needle forward as far as opportunities for Black male head coaches.

I don't think he sold out or anything that extreme, but it is disappointing that he exploited Black people's need to see those who made it come back and serve the community.

He "did it for the culture." But he did it when it was convenient for him and only for him. And I think that's why people are upset. He claimed to be leading a movement, and the only thing the movement served was him.

https://twitter.com/JoPrestonTV/status/1600126268187590656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1600126268187590656%7Ctwgr%5Ed0688bdaaf605a553eec2eede3fbad482c9d08c7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege%2F2022%2F12%2F06%2Fbomani-jones-reacts-deion-sanders-leaving-jackson-state-for-colorado

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on bigger and better things

And while I'm disappointed that he left so early, it is a good opportunity and I hope he succeeds.

I don't think folks would be upset if other coaches in the SWAC found jobs at P5 institutions. But they also didn't make themselves out to be the Savior of HBCUs.

But if that was his intent, then just tell the fans and supporters that he wants to do his best to build up JSU and then try and latch on to a P5 school. I think people are upset that they were sold false goods more than that he left.

>And while I'm disappointed that he left so early, it is a
>good opportunity and I hope he succeeds.
>
>I don't think folks would be upset if other coaches in the
>SWAC found jobs at P5 institutions. But they also didn't make
>themselves out to be the Savior of HBCUs.
>
>But if that was his intent, then just tell the fans and
>supporters that he wants to do his best to build up JSU and
>then try and latch on to a P5 school. I think people are upset
>that they were sold false goods more than that he left.

... and set JSU for sustained success and as a result boost the SWAC. But that's only because he set his reasons for being at JSU as being a calling in some way.

I admit that my disappointment comes from personally not liking Deion's constant self-promotion in general and how he misrepresented his intent.

To me, he has an outsized sense of confidence which obviously served him well as an athlete and to reach the level of success he's attained. It's worked out since "it's not cocky if you back it up" and to his credit, he has.

But viewing him now as an adult, he seems obnoxious. So, I'm not fully detached here.

Maybe I'm upset that I got played when I should be mad for other reasons.

https://www.facebook.com/408320822597638/posts/pfbid0ivxEW4ZdqdksUGFD4qpgnjTKycukLxbaNqZ5SvTJq2sD853yKJDzg7w6J9kQ5Xi2l/?mibextid=cr9u03

... so, I'll just say, I wish him success at CU and am glad he took on the challenge at JSU. But, I don't think he should talk about athletics and God at the same time.

...and hes the 3rd. That's pretty admirable of the Buffalos,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PqHZ3Tow4kk

someone cynincal would say "yea African American coaches can only get the worst job in America" but its also the easiest , bc all you have to do is win TWO games for it to be an improvement lol


>I have mixed feelings about Coach Prime leaving Jackson St.
>
>One one hand, he brought prominence to the school and helped
>the program achieve rare excellence. Jackson State is never
>gonna be Alabama or Ohio State, he’d done his time, he’d
>positively impacted a lot of people’s lives. And I think in
>a conference like the Pac 12 he will win early and often and
>eventually have them in a playoff in 5 years time if he stays
>that long.
>
>On the other hand, Deion persuaded many overly-qualified young
>men to forego opportunities at bigger schools - not just
>competing against better competition on the field but in
>personal brand opportunities too. He sold many top tier
>recruits a dream and asked that they curb their personal
>aspirations in favor of something bigger than
>themselves…then he bounced. I think we do have to
>acknowledge the fact Jackson being an HBCU and Prime
>celebrating that so loudly makes this situation different
>than, say, Paul Fickell leaving Cincy for Wisconsin.
>
>I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer. I sort of
>think it’s all true - he’s in his right to leave and I
>understand why he is, but he’s burning some folks in the
>process in a way that feels different. Curious where everyone
>else is at on this.
>
>If I was a Colorado fan or especially player I’d be
>ecstatic. If I were 5-star WR and Jackson St commit Travis
>Hunter I’d be heartbroken.

And that's what Colorado is.

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>And that's what Colorado is.
>
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https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/report-former-bengals-defensive-coordinator-mike-zimmer-taking-same-role-at-colorado-under-deion-sanders

more ambivalent before, but the amount of people blindly hating on this move is insane (and for some not so subtle reasons). stuff I've seen:

- Jackson State meant nothing because he had so much better talent

Kirby Smart: "There’s no coach out there who can out-coach recruiting, I don’t care who you are. The best coach to ever coach the game better be a good recruiter because no coaching is going to out-coach players. If you don’t recruit, guys, you’ve got no chance.”

- Sanders is not a tactician and will struggle against P5 coaching

I haven't watched his teams really, but I doubt the people saying this have watched his teams either. to blindly say he doesn't know football when he is a NFL Hall of Famer is something, though.

- he's just a CEO coach and his new assistants will do the heavy lifting

DABO SWINNEY SMILES WITH 2 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GOLD TEETH

- Mike Zimmer alienated players with the Vikings

NFL defensive coordinator with proven record and head coaching experience is somehow a bad hire

...the list goes on

like, deion's most dominant, trademark trait is ego/narcissism, right?

it's who he is. anyone mad b/c he wasn't an hbcu purist let that fact fall completely off the radar, b/c this is definitely some deion type shit to do.

but, otoh, most high level athletes, and coaches, and owners are narcissists, and this shouldn't be more surprising than any random ass dude who gets a job at underdog U, transforms them into local or regional contenders, and then bounces as soon as they get the big check from bumfuck tech.

this the entire game.

anybody who believed he would pass up opportunities long term to deliver the glory of hbcu athletics is poasting from the pumpkin patch w/ linus and holding footballs for lucy.


peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

=========================================
I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

Equal to Colorado and even greater than some programs with much greater resources: California, Stanford, UCLA, Georgia Tech, Maryland, UVA, and Louisville among others. That is beyond impressive. Prior to Deion arriving, I think their attendance was in the 20-30,000 range - which is still impressive. I’m sure Prime Time gave the city of Jackson a much needed boost to its slumping economy. He definitely gave the program hope and a glimmer - albeit fleeting - of what they can achieve. That would be cool if the program could sustain this pace, but it would be incredibly naive to expect that. Just as it would be naive to expect Prime to stick around for 10+ years at JSU.

Down the road, I do think people/football historians will look back to his stint at JSU with great reverence and fascination.

Colorado is an interesting choice. There is precedent for Colorado being a highly competitive team, but that now seems like a lifetime ago. That national recruiting scene has changed so much that it just seems unfathomable that you can dominate in places like Colorado. It will definitely be fun to watch him rebuild that program. I highly doubt he stays there longer than 5 years though. My gut tells me he’ll use CFB as a springboard to the NFL.

its kind of remarkable how much one hire has made such a difference in a mid-size sleepy town at the foothills of the Rockies lol

Coach Prime sounds like an Amazon related product though, he needs to just stick with coach Sanders


>Equal to Colorado and even greater than some programs with
>much greater resources: California, Stanford, UCLA, Georgia
>Tech, Maryland, UVA, and Louisville among others. That is
>beyond impressive. Prior to Deion arriving, I think their
>attendance was in the 20-30,000 range - which is still
>impressive. I’m sure Prime Time gave the city of Jackson a
>much needed boost to its slumping economy. He definitely gave
>the program hope and a glimmer - albeit fleeting - of what
>they can achieve. That would be cool if the program could
>sustain this pace, but it would be incredibly naive to expect
>that. Just as it would be naive to expect Prime to stick
>around for 10+ years at JSU.
>
>Down the road, I do think people/football historians will look
>back to his stint at JSU with great reverence and fascination.
>
>
>Colorado is an interesting choice. There is precedent for
>Colorado being a highly competitive team, but that now seems
>like a lifetime ago. That national recruiting scene has
>changed so much that it just seems unfathomable that you can
>dominate in places like Colorado. It will definitely be fun
>to watch him rebuild that program. I highly doubt he stays
>there longer than 5 years though. My gut tells me he’ll use
>CFB as a springboard to the NFL.

Before my older brother went to Texas, Colorado was my favorite Big 8/12 team. They were involved in a lot of big games back in the day and their night games always seemed lit.

>My gut tells me he’ll use
>CFB as a springboard to the NFL.

his persona is perfect for the talent accumulation game of college football -- seriously, he got the #1 overall recruit to come to Jackson State -- and the NFL is more paint by the numbers and constraining

>his persona is perfect for the talent accumulation game of
>college football -- seriously, he got the #1 overall recruit
>to come to Jackson State -- and the NFL is more paint by the
>numbers and constraining

Mine is him taking over at UF by 2024/25, and FSU is stupid enough to allow it to happen.


http://art-------school.com/

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C

There’s precedent for guys like that thriving too, that’s basically the Ed Orgeron model. Coach O admits to only really being a D-line expert, but he can get good kids and then get said kids to play.

I have no idea if Deion can “coach ball” , but he can obviously recruit and inspire.

Deion isn’t anywhere near his level as a coach



>There’s precedent for guys like that thriving too, that’s
>basically the Ed Orgeron model. Coach O admits to only really
>being a D-line expert, but he can get good kids and then get
>said kids to play.
>
>I have no idea if Deion can “coach ball” , but he can
>obviously recruit and inspire.

https://twitter.com/nikkiedwardsss/status/1649857939912687616?s=20

https://theathletic.com/5094370/2023/11/28/deion-sanders-colorado-recruiting-decommitment/

Deion Sanders has already proven multiple times he can pull a rabbit out of his hat late in a recruiting cycle. This is more about a big-picture look at Colorado’s recruiting.

It’s bad. And it’s time to push the panic button.

His high school recruiting, even with late fireworks in the 2023 cycle, hasn’t been average. It’s been far below average, which is shocking given the shot of adrenaline his arrival provided the Colorado program. Colorado’s 2024 class ranks No. 65 nationally, three spots ahead of Colorado State. The Buffaloes have only nine commitments, including three who rank in the top 400 nationally.

This isn’t June. It’s Nov. 28, and we’re roughly three weeks away from prospects being able to sign with schools. There aren’t a lot of elite-level prospects there for the taking, either — only 12 of the top 200 players in the class remain uncommitted.

Yes, Sanders can theoretically flip a five-star prospect in December like he did with Cormani McClain last year and Travis Hunter the year before at Jackson State. But it seems unreasonable to think that Colorado is going to go on some massive flipping spree and somehow wind up with a top-30 class. This class is almost finished.

Even when Sanders landed Hunter at Jackson State, neither he nor anyone from his staff ever stepped foot at Hunter’s high school in Georgia to recruit him in person. You may call that powerful recruiting, and it is. But that isn’t going to cut it when you’re trying to build a Power 5 program.

This is a critical juncture in the Colorado build. When the Buffaloes started 3-0, there was proof of concept of how fun it would be to play for Sanders. Colorado can offer things to prospects that other middle-tier programs cannot. Between Sanders’ profile, the beauty of Boulder, the promotion on social media and the income that comes with it, you’d think this would be a very attractive destination.

But we’re not seeing it. The results aren’t there. And that makes it easy to question whether Colorado is ever truly going to get where Sanders promised it was going.

The bloom very much appears to be off the rose.

is insane -- I don't see the vision there

CFB success starts on the line, period, and Colorado has one of the worst OL situations in P5

>https://theathletic.com/5094370/2023/11/28/deion-sanders-colorado-recruiting-decommitment/
>
>Deion Sanders has already proven multiple times he can pull a
>rabbit out of his hat late in a recruiting cycle. This is more
>about a big-picture look at Colorado’s recruiting.
>
>It’s bad. And it’s time to push the panic button.
>
>His high school recruiting, even with late fireworks in the
>2023 cycle, hasn’t been average. It’s been far below
>average, which is shocking given the shot of adrenaline his
>arrival provided the Colorado program. Colorado’s 2024 class
>ranks No. 65 nationally, three spots ahead of Colorado State.
>The Buffaloes have only nine commitments, including three who
>rank in the top 400 nationally.
>
>This isn’t June. It’s Nov. 28, and we’re roughly three
>weeks away from prospects being able to sign with schools.
>There aren’t a lot of elite-level prospects there for the
>taking, either — only 12 of the top 200 players in the class
>remain uncommitted.
>
>Yes, Sanders can theoretically flip a five-star prospect in
>December like he did with Cormani McClain last year and Travis
>Hunter the year before at Jackson State. But it seems
>unreasonable to think that Colorado is going to go on some
>massive flipping spree and somehow wind up with a top-30
>class. This class is almost finished.
>
>Even when Sanders landed Hunter at Jackson State, neither he
>nor anyone from his staff ever stepped foot at Hunter’s high
>school in Georgia to recruit him in person. You may call that
>powerful recruiting, and it is. But that isn’t going to cut
>it when you’re trying to build a Power 5 program.
>
>This is a critical juncture in the Colorado build. When the
>Buffaloes started 3-0, there was proof of concept of how fun
>it would be to play for Sanders. Colorado can offer things to
>prospects that other middle-tier programs cannot. Between
>Sanders’ profile, the beauty of Boulder, the promotion on
>social media and the income that comes with it, you’d think
>this would be a very attractive destination.
>
>But we’re not seeing it. The results aren’t there. And
>that makes it easy to question whether Colorado is ever truly
>going to get where Sanders promised it was going.

I have NOT been following close, but noticed he was catching flack for too much "them" and not enough "we."

Is he hitting the road hard and getting in living rooms or coasting on the name and the hype?

somebody prob came in and said
1) we will pay you more
2) you wont have to live in colorado

these teams that are overly relying on the portal/NIL to rebuild their programs are falling on their face


>2) you wont have to live in colorado

gimme boulder over tuscaloosa or clemson any day of the week

i think think these kids would go live on the moon if the bag and NFL development were on point.

kids prefer warm weather and being able to hop in the car and drive to Atlanta, Miami and all those HBCU homecomings vs snowboarding in Boulder.

You give me a tour of Clemson, Bama, UGA, ... vs Colorado and it's a wrap.

numbers aren't huge but it happens.

I'm not saying no one moves from the south to Colorado

I have a friend who lives in Denver.

I'm just saying Black athletes aren't going to Boulder because its a vibe geographically.. lol

I think "give me boulder over Clemson or Tuscaloosa any day of the week" is something a white person would say, not a Black athlete.

and truth be told, Greenville SC is a nice lil college city and 2 hours from Atlanta

>I think "give me boulder over Clemson or Tuscaloosa any day of
>the week" is something a white person would say, not a Black
>athlete.

these kids (black and white) choose all sorts of places for different reasons. it's whatever.

just get 5 huge white dudes from the Midwest or Mountain area.

He acts like his kids are infallible though



>>https://theathletic.com/5094370/2023/11/28/deion-sanders-colorado-recruiting-decommitment/
>>
>>Deion Sanders has already proven multiple times he can pull
>a
>>rabbit out of his hat late in a recruiting cycle. This is
>more
>>about a big-picture look at Colorado’s recruiting.
>>
>>It’s bad. And it’s time to push the panic button.
>>
>>His high school recruiting, even with late fireworks in the
>>2023 cycle, hasn’t been average. It’s been far below
>>average, which is shocking given the shot of adrenaline his
>>arrival provided the Colorado program. Colorado’s 2024
>class
>>ranks No. 65 nationally, three spots ahead of Colorado
>State.
>>The Buffaloes have only nine commitments, including three
>who
>>rank in the top 400 nationally.
>>
>>This isn’t June. It’s Nov. 28, and we’re roughly three
>>weeks away from prospects being able to sign with schools.
>>There aren’t a lot of elite-level prospects there for the
>>taking, either — only 12 of the top 200 players in the
>class
>>remain uncommitted.
>>
>>Yes, Sanders can theoretically flip a five-star prospect in
>>December like he did with Cormani McClain last year and
>Travis
>>Hunter the year before at Jackson State. But it seems
>>unreasonable to think that Colorado is going to go on some
>>massive flipping spree and somehow wind up with a top-30
>>class. This class is almost finished.
>>
>>Even when Sanders landed Hunter at Jackson State, neither he
>>nor anyone from his staff ever stepped foot at Hunter’s
>high
>>school in Georgia to recruit him in person. You may call
>that
>>powerful recruiting, and it is. But that isn’t going to
>cut
>>it when you’re trying to build a Power 5 program.
>>
>>This is a critical juncture in the Colorado build. When the
>>Buffaloes started 3-0, there was proof of concept of how fun
>>it would be to play for Sanders. Colorado can offer things
>to
>>prospects that other middle-tier programs cannot. Between
>>Sanders’ profile, the beauty of Boulder, the promotion on
>>social media and the income that comes with it, you’d
>think
>>this would be a very attractive destination.
>>
>>But we’re not seeing it. The results aren’t there. And
>>that makes it easy to question whether Colorado is ever
>truly
>>going to get where Sanders promised it was going.
>
>I have NOT been following close, but noticed he was catching
>flack for too much "them" and not enough "we."
>
>Is he hitting the road hard and getting in living rooms or
>coasting on the name and the hype?

another swipe from The Athletic:

“They were loading up on all these skill players, but they weren’t getting great players on the line,” said a Pac-12 assistant. “Offensive line-wise, they didn’t take a single coveted guy out of the portal.”

Said another Pac-12 assistant: “They were horrible on the front. They couldn’t protect (Shedeur). He was getting massacred in our game. It’s really hard to do anything when you can’t block anybody.”

Colorado finished the season second-to-last among 133 FBS teams in sacks allowed with 56 and last in rushing yards per attempt at 2.31.

Earlier this season, as the hits on his son piled up and frustrations simmered, Sanders forecasted the cure: “The big picture is you get new linemen. That’s the picture, and I’m going to paint it perfectly.”

The next transfer portal window opens Dec. 4. One coach, referencing his experience, projects roughly 30 Power 5-quality offensive line starters to enter the transfer portal in a typical offseason. “There are 65 Power 5 schools,” that coach said. “There’s no way in hell you’re gonna get a whole new line for Shedeur.”

Even if Colorado could go the NIL route, offensive line is a position group where experience and continuity matter. Michigan, which won the Joe Moore Award the past two seasons as the nation’s best offensive line, ran out a starting five against Ohio State last Saturday that featured all seniors or graduate students with 203 combined starts.

“It’s a developmental position,” said one Pac-12 assistant. “It took us like three, four years to have a middle-of-the-pack O-line. It takes time to do that. They have to stick it out and develop.”

The final uncommitted five-star prospect is off the board — and it’s a stunner. Jordan Seaton, an offensive tackle who plays at IMG (Fla.) Academy, committed to Colorado on Thursday. Seaton picked Colorado over Ohio State, Alabama, Tennessee, Maryland, Oregon and Florida.

Several schools — notably Ohio State, Alabama and Tennessee — seemed to be in good shape for Seaton, who shocked college football Thursday morning when he picked Deion Sanders and Colorado.

Seaton’s commitment shows that Sanders still resonates with elite prospects, even if his first season nosedived after a quick start. We’ll see if he has any more tricks up his sleeve heading into the early signing period, which starts December 20th. For now, this is as big of a pickup as it gets.

has he ever coached a starting qb that wasn't his son?

>has he ever coached a starting qb that wasn't his son?

wasn't his first year at JSU without Shedeur?