bringing out brian griese and nem http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7750946 Donny sounds furious

I can't even see the clip, but I hope it's dripping with lava

edit: I saw what he said --

“What offense are you going to run with him? Is it the spread offense that you try to continue to flourish and that he’s been successful in?” McNabb asked. “Or are you just going to have him in a foxhole, with a make-shift offensive line? You’re bringing in receivers, and you have a solid tight end in Fred Davis that you need to feature. What are we going to see?

“I don’t think it’s a great fit. The D.C. fan base will support RGIII because they love the acquisition and they think he will be great for the area, the DMV, as they call it. But, if this doesn’t work this year, if we don’t see a Cam Newton splash, this could be it.”

good.

I can't wait until this newest experiment burns out in flames. Sucks that a good dude gotta go down, but... NOPE

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I'll check it out later

man, go sitcho soupy ass down somewhere

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mcnabb like shit on philly radio over what he said
basically he said RG3 won't do well under shanny
philly media are spinning it like typical woe is me donovan shit because he was washed up when he got to DC and shanny found out what he had , was like 0_0 and moved on

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I dont get their hate against McNabb. The conversation yesterday was are Andy Reid/McNabb are Hall of Fame caliber. the consensus was no, they even said that McNabb had an "good" career not great. i cant be the only one that remembers the Eagles pre McNabb and Reid, when they were the "Beagles" numerous black outs, Andy Reid's first game "Season Opener against the Cardinals aka the Brian Finneran Game" was blacked out. Think about it? season opener home game in Philly blacked out because the Eagles couldnt sell out. It ridiculous how they are trying to downplay the era, because they didnt get a SuperBowl.

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so it's hard to say what "best coach in franchise history" or "best QB in franchise history" even means
somebody on here called the Donovan era eagles the "east coast Chargers"....and it's kind of true when you look at the expectations and then end results
1-4 in NFC title games and they were favored in ALL 5?
that kind of means something
marv levy and jim kelly are in the HOF so they have a chance...i wouldn't hold my breath on mcnabb though

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>somebody on here called the Donovan era eagles the "east coast
>Chargers"....and it's kind of true when you look at the
>expectations and then end results

I used to say that about them (here), and I still feel that way about them. Strangely enough Norval is Andying it up over there even more than Marty could ever dream and Chargers fans feel much the same about him...

it too early to tell on either one. McNabb may not get in on pure stats, but down the line might be seen as the transition to more mobile QBs, Reid might get in basedon longevity, are coaches realistically getting 10+ years ,in a win now league?

my thing is this city tries to downplay the era, because of a superbowl, when the McNabb and Reid made football relevant.

Brian Finneran got acclaim that whole summer cuz he was Villanova product and was out of NFL Europe, first game of the season, dude has a chance to catch the ball down the sideline to put the Eagles in FG position for the win, drop! dude was cut the next day...

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the birds were already up at that time. Kwame Lassiter instead picks off the bobble, takes it across midfield. Shaky Jake Pummer did the rest. I was at that game, had to gat my crew to escort me out. LOL.

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>numerous black outs, Andy Reid's first game "Season Opener
>against the Cardinals aka the Brian Finneran Game" was blacked
>out.

following the Eagles back then was PAINFUL
if you were out of the viewing area you were FUCKED
I hated "blackout" rules, still do.

I felt like Lions fans did pre-Stafford and Megatron for real.

Chuck Bednarik

and Reggie White

end of the list

now consider McNabb and Reid

HELL NAW SON

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>Chuck Bednarik
>
>and Reggie White
>
>end of the list

>

on matters of fact, that's another.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Ray Diddinger?

Norm Van Brocklin
Sonny Jurgenson

are you sure they're enshrined as Iggles?

I did forget Steve Van Buren

I actually posted this reply after going to the HOF

I intentionally sought out Iggle players

needless to say, I was disappointed

maybe Chuck and Reggie were the only Iggle players to be featured

and I overlooked a couple

but the sentiment still stands

when you consider these names

and the caliber of player they were (the best at their position)

I don't think McNabb and Reid are deserving of Canton

the Iggles honor roll, sure

but the HOF isn't for pretty good, it's for greatness

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people got furious when he didnt say something during the debacle and now that he is all folk are saying is he has an axe to grind.

I like that skip asked him straight up if this was because he had an axe to grind.

On the low he makes some valid points which will make sure shanny is flexible with the system they put around RG3

Link: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/02/donovan-mcnabb-peyton-manning-wont-play-for-redskins/1#.T3SYStU-Xcs

The story that continues to coalesce during this NFL offseason revolves around the murky future of Colts QB Peyton Manning.

However Donovan McNabb wants to offer one degree of certainty regarding Manning: He won't play for the Redskins.
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By Maxwell Kruger, US Presswire

"Peyton's not gonna go there," NcNabb told ESPN 980 in Washington recently.

"I don't see Peyton ending up in Washington. Because what happens is now you're bringing in another veteran who will be 35, 36, who's been in one offense throughout his career -- it's the same situation (as McNabb in 2010).

"Peyton is such an offensive coordinator, so now what does that do to your offensive coordinator? Does he step down? Does he step back? Does he, you know, begin to change the whole offense according to the play of the quarterback? that he has in Peyton Manning? Well I didn't see that happen, so I definitely don't see that happening for Peyton."

McNabb struggled playing for HC Mike Shanahan and his son, OC Kyle Shanahan, during his lone year with the Redskins after spending his first 11 seasons as a six-time Pro Bowler for the Eagles. McNabb, who seemed to clash in particular with Kyle Shanahan behind the scenes, was ultimately benched for the final three games of 2010 before being traded to the Vikings months later.

McNabb seemed to signal his feelings about the Shanahans during the interview by failing to mention them by name.

"As I look back on that year, I was very excited on joining the Washington Redskins," he said. "I loved (owner) Dan Snyder; I love his attitude and his approach. I loved (GM) Bruce Allen and what he was trying to do. Situations were a lot different once I got there, with coaching and play-calling and things of that nature, where it wasn't suited around the talent of your quarterback."

>
>
>Link:
>http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/02/donovan-mcnabb-peyton-manning-wont-play-for-redskins/1#.T3SYStU-Xcs
>
>The story that continues to coalesce during this NFL offseason
>revolves around the murky future of Colts QB Peyton Manning.
>
>However Donovan McNabb wants to offer one degree of certainty
>regarding Manning: He won't play for the Redskins.
>CAPTION
>By Maxwell Kruger, US Presswire
>
>"Peyton's not gonna go there," NcNabb told ESPN 980 in
>Washington recently.
>
>"I don't see Peyton ending up in Washington. Because what
>happens is now you're bringing in another veteran who will be
>35, 36, who's been in one offense throughout his career --
>it's the same situation (as McNabb in 2010).
>
>"Peyton is such an offensive coordinator, so now what does
>that do to your offensive coordinator? Does he step down? Does
>he step back? Does he, you know, begin to change the whole
>offense according to the play of the quarterback? that he has
>in Peyton Manning? Well I didn't see that happen, so I
>definitely don't see that happening for Peyton."
>
>McNabb struggled playing for HC Mike Shanahan and his son, OC
>Kyle Shanahan, during his lone year with the Redskins after
>spending his first 11 seasons as a six-time Pro Bowler for the
>Eagles. McNabb, who seemed to clash in particular with Kyle
>Shanahan behind the scenes, was ultimately benched for the
>final three games of 2010 before being traded to the Vikings
>months later.
>
>McNabb seemed to signal his feelings about the Shanahans
>during the interview by failing to mention them by name.
>
>"As I look back on that year, I was very excited on joining
>the Washington Redskins," he said. "I loved (owner) Dan
>Snyder; I love his attitude and his approach. I loved (GM)
>Bruce Allen and what he was trying to do. Situations were a
>lot different once I got there, with coaching and play-calling
>and things of that nature, where it wasn't suited around the
>talent of your quarterback."

I think maybe Cleveland is the only worse place for a quarterback to go right now.

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>I think maybe Cleveland is the only worse place for a
>quarterback to go right now.

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It doesn't negate the fact that he sucked horribly as a Redskin and Sexy Rexy has been about 10x better.

>Redskin and Sexy Rexy has been about 10x better.

C'mon man, I know you didn't just type that.

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my thoughts,

peace.

Rex isn't the answer but he's performed better than Donovan did.

there was almost no difference

Never thought I would see people so desperate to throw Donovan under the bus that they are forced to praise Rex Grossman.



Good Times.

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The Sk*ns were a bad team the year before McNabb got there, with very questionable and aging talent. Then they got rid of a bunch of guys just prior to the McNabb season and only really added McNabb (and Trent Williams).

They got rid of receivers, didn't upgrade the o-line and they essentially made the team worse, yet people were expecting McNabb to succeed in that situation, which he was set up to fail? The team was a BAD 4-12 the year before, in which Jason got killed out there, and then you just through McNabb into essentially a worse situation and expect him to do better.

Given what was around him that year, I wouldn't go so far as to say he sucked, nor was Rex Grossman, at any time in his career BETTER than McNabb.

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my thoughts,

peace.

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be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

until he gets out of the division.

http://youtu.be/mscTO8tBcI0

I gotta respect him for saying it to him on the aire though.

I wouldn't be upset if someone Jim Rome'd him though.

Get out the room,
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He said "Where were you Mr Vikings QB who I supported wrongly last year and looked like a fool?"

expecting that ether

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Had me rolling

it's kind of long though
wish there were a way to preview topics

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I try not to keep more than 2 episodes at a time cuz they eat up space.

I'm starting to get some respect for him

yep, I'm taking it back to 4th grade
and don't give a fuck
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Did anybody else note the W-Ls directly correlating to TD-INTs

The TD/INT ratio gets progressively worse

is that all Shanny's fault

The fact that he had a good winning % with Brian Griese speaks more to his coaching ability

than a terrible winning % with Beck, Rex, and McNabb

Skins were 5-8 in 10' with him as the starter

14 TDs/15 INTs

Where are the back to back SB years with Elway?

DEN went 46-10 from 96'-98

Elway's TD/INTs, 75/35

Man, that graphic should have ended that discussion

Michael Smith "Donovan, I don't see your name on there"

Skip "That's because he never PLAYED for the Skins"

c'mon man

that graphic was a lob pass and nobody dunked that shit

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Got those dudes so far from their spots on the choke/couldnt get it done/never really had *it* list


elway not as bad as shan, who still gets upper tier coach respect for some reason, 15 yrs later and not until after really goin overboard wit the shan jr/rex situation is just now starting to be seen as less than bulletproof

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>elway not as bad as shan, who still gets upper tier coach
>respect for some reason, 15 yrs later and not until after
>really goin overboard wit the shan jr/rex situation is just
>now starting to be seen as less than bulletproof

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whenever you did these things to the least of my brothers you did them to me

He prolly shouldnt be doin a whole lot of commenting on anything.


Every good young Qb goes to a scrub team. The good ones overcome it. Even though I think he did kind of get screwed here...he just sounds like a bitter bamma.

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Where was this fire when Shanahan and everybody else who has shitted on him through out his career? Just stay gone now Bruh ....

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the Skins, that is Blagojevich level double talk.

McPuke will talk himself off of TV real soon. He never takes blame or admits to his faults but wants all the credit for the success. FOH


I just wished he would've went to the NFL Network with all the HOF they have over there. He would get clowned each and every time he stepped out of line.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

and after a while it will be obvious whether he gives RG3 a chance to succeed or if he tries to shoehorn him into his "genius".

...but all types of arms flailing up in the air due to the messager

Damn, Donovan really made a lot of people mad in his career...of winning...for their notoriously stingy and poorly coached team.

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Him and his son are the biggest threats to RG3's development.

I think his job is secure enough to withstand a throwaway season with a rookie QB but he's notoriously impatient and so I don't doubt he'll yank RG3 at some point rather than let him learn from frequent mistakes.

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dude is only what 33? 34?
ESPN just assumed dude was DONE lol

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RGIII gonna have to be all that to overcome everything that the Redskins are going to place in his way.

>RGIII gonna have to be all that to overcome everything that
>the Redskins are going to place in his way.

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For one, RGIII in theory is a perfect fit for the system.

But what's way funnier is how oblivious he is to just how bad he was post-Eagles. It's well documented that McNabb dicked around here, wasn't in shape, didn't commit to the playbook etc. He cooked his own goose both in DC and Minnesota. Shanahan benched his fat ass because REX GROSSMAN had the playbook down better than he did, and to not even briefly acknowledge his failure in Washington is laughable and sad.

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I mean c'mon bruh
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/mcnabbgraphic0312.jpg?uuid=hbjc3nm4EeGTYs2Ymsa_sg

McNabb's point was outside of Elway who has Shanahan groomed or career revised? No one, its not like Andy Reid's track record where he arguably groomed Favre, no question on McNabb, faked the league into thinking AJ Feeley was a starter, restarted Jeff Garcia's career, faked the league into thinking Kevin Kolb is a starter, and that's before you get into Mike Vick.

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as did Brian Griese

you do know he was OC on the 9ers from 92-94

and the OC in DEN 84'

the point is he won't be able to groom a draft pick into an elite QB

and you're basing that off of the last 2 years in WAS

with guys like McNabb, Beck, and Rex

c'mon

is this being based off of Jay Cutler?

I think we know he is not an elite QB

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he may not be "elite" but what he's done with those Bears squads?

and not by much

I'm just saying he is who he is

a gun slinger that's going to throw a handful more TDs than INTs

I don't think Shanny would have been able to change that

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he's not "elite" as everyone loves to say, but he's most definitely in that Big Ben range that sits right outside of Brady,Peyton,Brees,and Eli

I'd go

Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Brees
Eli
Big Ben
Cutt Dog
Cam
Romo
Schaub

and a bunch of other whatever bammas

>as did Brian Griese
>
>you do know he was OC on the 9ers from 92-94

those San Fran teams were stacked with top talent.


>and you're basing that off of the last 2 years in WAS
>
>with guys like McNabb, Beck, and Rex
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no i am basing if off he has not established a franchise QB, Elway is arguably the best QB ever, GRANTED he got Elway two rings, even if Terrell Davis was the engine of those teams.

but outside of that who has he established as a franchise QB?

Kyle Shany what has he done? besides hitch a wagon to his wolfpack brother Grossman? Being the offensive coordinator to an 8-8 Houston Texans squad, suddenly makes you a offensive genius?

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The statistics presented were slanted toward McNabb's theory

you don't get to say except Elway

because he DID have a big hand in Elway's career

and he also had success with other QBs that McNabb was suppose to be better than (Plummer and Griese)

when considering ALL of the numbers

I would conclude that McNabb was the problem

and Shanny sent him packing, same as Haynseworth

He wasn't treated any better in MIN

but he won't throw those guys under the bus because they have PHI ties

How is the QB in TEX doing?

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i just dont think he is that great of coach when it comes to QBs, which is what McNabb was saying essentially saying.

Shanahan greatest strength is the zone blocking scheme, and finding running backs that excel in that scheme.

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as anyone else's.

You think Fat man did anything to make 36 year old Jeff Garcia good for one season or you think he just put him on the field in the right offense?

And he convinced two of the worst franchises in the league to take on two shitty QBs? Awesome - he must be a QB genius.

He got to hang around Brett Favre for a couple years, he helped McNabb be great, and so far he's helped Mike Vick have ONE great season.

The Fat Man's QB rep needs to get real.

acumen are you?
getting the most out of quarterbacks and developing offensive schemes are his specialties
and he's so good at it that it compensates for all his deficiencies like game management and personnel skills
to the tune of a top 10 all time winning % and likely first ballot HOF induction....
and you're kind of missing the point by bringing up how ass AJ Feeley and Kolb are
because Reid was able to get the most out of them and have them ball out to the point he could dump them on fooled suitors (add redskins and mcnabb to that too)
i don't even like dude as a coach and want him dumped after this year but i can't see how this is debatable at this point
you could argue that andy reid is partially responsible for ushering in this new pass happy era and the rule changes that came along with it
andy reid's influence on the modern QB position impacted the culture of the game as a whole

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>you could argue that andy reid is partially responsible for
>ushering in this new pass happy era and the rule changes that
>came along with it
>andy reid's influence on the modern QB position impacted the
>culture of the game as a whole

lolol.

Back to the topic at hand:

Andy Reid is not an example of a QB development guru.