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"X-Men: Dark Phoenix (Simon Kinberg, 2018)"


  

          

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA​!!!!

Okay. Sure.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/06/14/x-men-dark-phoenix-simon-kinberg-cast/

X-Men: Dark Phoenix Director & Returning Cast Confirmed

by Jamie Lovett | June 14, 2017
Simon Kinberg is officially confirmed to direct X-Men: Dark Phoenix for 20th Century Fox.

Fox also confirmed that X-Men: Apocalypse stars Jennifer Lawrence, Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy, Nicholas Hoult, Alexandra Shipp, Sophie Turner, Tye Sheridan, and Kodi Smit-McPhee will all reprise their roles for the film.


Developing...

Source: Deadline

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Jessica Chastain don't deserve this shit
Jun 14th 2017
1
NOPE. She signed on. She's absolutely deserving.
Jun 14th 2017
3
This will be trash.
Jun 14th 2017
2
I have no faith in Simon Kinberg...
Jun 14th 2017
4
      I never understood why they gave Mystique any screen time at all
Jun 14th 2017
5
im with it.
Jun 14th 2017
6
They have no respect for the source material
Jun 14th 2017
7
for fuck sake
Jun 14th 2017
8
Seems like they're rushing to make it.
Jun 15th 2017
9
just blow it up and don't touch it for five years
Jun 15th 2017
10
Too much Mystique, she ain't really that important
Jun 15th 2017
11
*sigh* Alright, well, I'll defend this then...
Jun 15th 2017
12
DOFP had its detractors at the time
Jun 15th 2017
13
I don't see much of a defense there.
Jun 15th 2017
14
And they have nothing new to add to Charles/Magneto
Jun 15th 2017
15
To add to both of your points
Jun 15th 2017
16
First Class has grown on me a bit
Jun 15th 2017
18
      And that's another problem. Quanitity over quality
Jun 15th 2017
19
Yep. I don't think they've advanced that narrative at all.
Jun 15th 2017
17
Valid points, and much better explained than others I've heard.
Jun 15th 2017
20
Y'all gotta stop with the bias bullshit
Jun 15th 2017
22
      We'll stop when it stops being a thing.
Jun 15th 2017
23
      Should've known you'd come in here with this shit
Jun 15th 2017
24
           RE: Should've known you'd come in here with this shit
Jun 20th 2017
31
      Maybe, but I only hated 2 movies, see above.
Jun 16th 2017
26
https://media.tenor.com/images/547931dce5ae02e83f58146f07509b0b/tenor.gi...
Jun 15th 2017
25
nah more than 2 of them joints suck
Jun 15th 2017
21
there are only 3/4 stinkers in the x-men franchise
Jun 17th 2017
27
      I don't understand the first class love
Jun 19th 2017
29
           The major failure of FC to me was the follow up
Jun 19th 2017
30
So Fox retconned Phoenix from X-Men 3
Jun 18th 2017
28
the people who claim x-men films are well-liked are so weird to me
Jun 20th 2017
32
yeah....these last few were immediately forgettable.
Jun 24th 2017
33
RE: the people who claim x-men films are well-liked are so weird to me
Jul 04th 2017
35
      Logan is an X-Man, but is "Logan" an X-Men movie???
Jul 04th 2017
36
      so, when you were done cherry picking examples
Jul 04th 2017
37
           It's not cherry picking when he posted the most recent x-men films
Jul 05th 2017
39
           RE: so, when you were done cherry picking examples
Jul 05th 2017
41
                there seems to be a miscommunication
Jul 15th 2017
44
Looks like Magneto is gonna be doing the same shit he's been doing
Jul 04th 2017
34
Why not make an R-rated Magneto flick?
Jul 05th 2017
38
that's a really cool idea
Jul 05th 2017
40
      They've literally tried this already
Jul 05th 2017
42
           RE: They've literally tried this already
Jul 11th 2017
43
                1st Class was 1st Class...
Mar 30th 2018
64
I told y'all Simon Kinberg was wrong for this.
Aug 30th 2017
45
I'm the biggest defender of these movies...
Aug 31st 2017
46
RE: I told y'all Simon Kinberg was wrong for this.
Dec 07th 2017
49
There was never anything right about it. It was always going to be trash...
Dec 07th 2017
50
First look at the film.
Dec 07th 2017
47
boring
Dec 07th 2017
48
      RE: Villians
Dec 07th 2017
51
      if they can do a good Thanos anything is possible
Dec 08th 2017
53
           you think so?
Dec 08th 2017
54
      I'm content with Logan being the end of that universe.....
Dec 08th 2017
52
This bullshit got pushed back
Mar 27th 2018
55
either it's getting canned or they're retooling it for the MCU
Mar 27th 2018
56
Way I look at it is this.
Mar 27th 2018
57
That's an excellent point
Mar 27th 2018
58
I'm literally laughing out loud at this... this shit not being retooled ...
Mar 28th 2018
61
Reason for delay. (partial swipe)
Mar 27th 2018
60
      They won't hear you, tho.
Mar 30th 2018
63
LMAO. This shit is trash and that was apparent from jump.
Mar 27th 2018
59
phoenix is one of my favorite story lines
Mar 29th 2018
62
Ding dong the witch is dead!!!
Apr 30th 2018
65
Am I the only one who doesn't want the Xmen in the MCU?
Apr 30th 2018
66
a couple of years ago i would've been with you
Apr 30th 2018
67
Not right now, at least.
Apr 30th 2018
68
You're not.
May 01st 2018
70
So this means...
May 01st 2018
69
that leaked trailer on reddit looks bad
Sep 26th 2018
71
Looks like a standard X-Men movie. If you're already on board with those...
Sep 26th 2018
72
      it looks like Apocalypse pt 2
Sep 26th 2018
73
Trailer niggas
Sep 27th 2018
74
i care (c) luke
Sep 27th 2018
75
why are they doing this.
Sep 27th 2018
76
So now SHi'ar, no Lilandra?
Sep 27th 2018
77
Like I said up there^^^ I enjoy these more than not, BUT...
Sep 27th 2018
78
I'm going to see it, but it looks like garbage
Sep 27th 2018
79
Keep Evan, Sansa can go too.
Sep 27th 2018
80
Trash...Glass in theaters 1-18-19
Sep 28th 2018
81
Release date moved from Feb 14 to June 7.
Sep 28th 2018
82
Dark Phoenix | Official Trailer
Feb 28th 2019
83
better than the other trailers but . . .
Feb 28th 2019
84
None of this looks *bad* to me.
Feb 28th 2019
85
this looks like dookie
Feb 28th 2019
86
Its Dark! I'm upset!
Feb 28th 2019
87
Not a fan of the trailer
Feb 28th 2019
88
Haven't seen it, but I know it's absolute trash
Feb 28th 2019
89
I kind of like the trailer but I have no interest in this
Feb 28th 2019
90
Dark Phoenix | Final Trailer
Apr 17th 2019
91
im surprised j law is still showing up for these things.
Apr 17th 2019
92
      she never had a problem phoning in a performance.
Apr 17th 2019
93
           Ha!
Jun 11th 2019
99
Saw this shit Monday night.
Jun 05th 2019
94
Cotdamn. This shit hella flopped.
Jun 10th 2019
95
I think New Mutants was shelved altogether
Jun 11th 2019
96
      The official word was that New Mutants will be released April 3, 2020
Jun 11th 2019
97
It's just as bad as the last couple.
Jun 11th 2019
98
dogshit
Jun 18th 2019
100
Back In 2017 I Was Hyped, But In 2019 This Was A Disaster
Aug 16th 2019
101

bwood
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1. "Jessica Chastain don't deserve this shit"
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/x-men-dark-phoenix-villain-jessica-chastain-talks-role-1013462

Simon Kinberg is writing and due to make his directorial debut with the tentpole.
Jessica Chastain is in negotiations to star as the villain in X-Men: Dark Phoenix, the latest installment of Fox’s banner-carrying X-Men movie franchise.

At the same time, Fox is getting the band together one more time and is in talks with Jennifer Lawrence, Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy and Nicholas Hoult to return to the franchise after their original three-picture deals expired.

Longtime X-Men steward Simon Kinberg is writing and due to make his directorial debut with the tentpole, which is aiming to retell the defining Dark Phoenix storyline from the early 1980s comic book.

Sophie Turner is reprising her role as the X-Men heroine Jean Grey, aka Phoenix, a telepath who, in the comics, saw her powers become amplified to the Nth degree when she becomes imbued by a cosmic energy called the Phoenix Force. It eventually overtook her personality and made her bad, necessitating the X-Men to stop her.

The storyline was crudely adapted in 2006’s X-Men: The Last Stand, which was critically maligned and rejected by fans. Kinberg and co. are looking to redeem that effort with their own take that sources say will hew closer to the classic story by Chris Claremont and John Byrne.

If a deal makes, sources say Chastain would play Lilandra, the empress of an alien empire called the Shi’ar, who leads the quest to imprison and execute Dark Phoenix, leading her into conflict with the X-Men.

(She also commands an alien super-team named the Imperial Guard but it is unclear if that group will be featured in the movie.)

The movie is prepping for a Montreal shoot and has a Nov. 2, 2018 release date. Also returning to the movie will be Alexandra Shipp, Tye Sheridan and Kodi Smit-McPhee.

Chastain last starred in the World War Two drama The Zookeeper’s Wife and has Molly’s Game, the drama that is the directorial debut of writer Aaron Sorkin, in post.

She is repped by CAA, Mosaic and Hansen Jacobson.

X-Men: Dark Phoenix opens Nov. 2, 2018.


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3. "NOPE. She signed on. She's absolutely deserving. "
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If she signed without watching the last two, that's on her. Should have done her homework.

If she saw the last two and still signed on? Even worse.

That's all on her.

  

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2. "This will be trash."
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Just as AOA was trash.

At best it will be muddy and mediocre, as was DOFP.

Can't wait to shit all over it when it drops, but that's only because I'd really, really, really love to see a good X men film again.

  

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4. "I have no faith in Simon Kinberg..."
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...to properly execute this film.

Combined with the fact that Magneto really doesn't need to be in the shit and Jennifer Lawrence was so checked out of the last film, I can only imagine what type of performance she'll turn in this.

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5. "I never understood why they gave Mystique any screen time at all"
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The biggest issue by far has been the endless rinse/wash/repeat formula of Logan + Charles vs Xavier + glorified cameos of other mutants putting on meaningless displays of their power + summer release date= X-Men movie.

They've gotten by largely on the strength of excellent casting of their anchors.

1, 2 and first class are all very good. Logan was awesome and The Wolverine was dope in a raw action movie sort of way, like they gave Steven Segal claws or whatever.

The rest consists of varying degrees of dumpster fire.

Frankly I'm nervous about Deadpool after Tim Miller's departure.

  

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6. "im with it."
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xmen joints about 50/50 anyway so maybe this'll be one of the good ones.

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7. "They have no respect for the source material"
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which worked in a pre MCU world where folks were just happy to have comic adaptations, but I think won't work as well now. The story is dope, just tell it. Why rewrite it because you have Jennifer Lawrence under contract?

  

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8. "for fuck sake"
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9. "Seems like they're rushing to make it."
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And, trying to cram it into a 2+ hour movie. Do they think the 45 seconds of flash of Phoenix in Apocalypse was enough foundation to build a whole movie on?

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10. "just blow it up and don't touch it for five years"
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maybe let Marvel do a fresh one during phase four or something. I didn't watch Apocalypse, thought DOFP was wild boring, and won't check for this one. shame they doin my boo jessica like this

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11. "Too much Mystique, she ain't really that important"
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And I'm sick of Lawrence's acting as well. They need to make these joints grittier but then you won't attract the families. My daughter is into these now and likes AOA but it's brutal to sit through for me.

  

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12. "*sigh* Alright, well, I'll defend this then..."
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I'm an X-Men fan. I grew up watching the animated series, reading the comic books... I love these characters and stories.

I like most of the movies. In fact, the only 2 that outright suck IMO are X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

I even liked X-Men: Apocalypse, but I understand that most people didn't.

But answer me something... When did the franchise become the dumpster fire to most fans?

X-Men: Apocalypse one 1 of the last 4 films in the greater franchise, the other 3 being X-Men: Days of Future Past, Deadpool, and Logan.

All 3 of those movies were well liked across the board, i.e. meeting the 3 key pieces films need to succeed... They made money, fans liked them, and critics did too (according to RT at least)... Although I understand DoFP is seen in a lesser light as of late... for some reason or another.

This all changed with 1 film then? X-Men: Apocalypse was THAT bad? I mean, even the MCU has survived shitty films (ahem... Iron Man 3... ahem). DC just had their first hit of 4 (I liked Man of Steel, but again, I understand most didn't).

Now, I have to say that of the 3 X-Men films coming in 2018 (Deadpool 2, New Mutants, Dark Phoenix), DP is the one I am least looking forward to, but they are bringing back classic characters, actors who do a good job (McAvoy and Fassbender are still fantastic), while attempting to adapt the most famous X-Men story of all-time.

Sure, X-Men: Apocalypse had its missteps: Mystique has been used entirely too much b/c of J-Law's star power attached; Apocalypse was one of the countless crappy comic book villains that are a part of all comic book movies good and bad, just to name a couple...

I just don't understand why we'd let crappy films pass in other franchises, but allow just 1 film to ruin this franchise. Who cares if Deadpool and Logan are in different timelines, the timelines of the base material has been fucked for years, as long as the movies are entertaining, don't we all win? Does everything need the connectedness that the MCU has nearly perfected? (They still have not yet perfected it, those damn TV and Netflix shows)

I understand that one bad apple can ruin the batch, but are we ready to throw this to the wolves b/c of X-Men: Apocalypse and ppl retroactively hating DoFP?

Let's talk.

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13. "DOFP had its detractors at the time"
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I liked it but many didn't. It's pretty messy and Apocalypse took the messiest parts of that and made them even messier. To your point: they still have their successes, but Logan and Deadpool succeeded because they're self-contained stories that didn't try to do too much. They exist within this X-Men universe but they don't NEED to. Lately when they make these big movies that try to make sense sense of their continuity they only make it more bloated and confusing. I don't see that changing with Dark Phoenix.

  

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14. "I don't see much of a defense there. "
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You're mostly just saying "hey, it's not so bad!", which is a less than moving defense.

At any rate... DOFP and Apocalypse are trash.

I shit on DOFP at the time and I don’t recall being alone, so I don’t know where “retroactive” comes in.

Apocalypse doubled down on everything bad about DOFP.

But that’s not even why it’s a dumpster fire of a franchise.

First, they’ve overplayed their strength. They’ve continually focused WAY too much on Mag & Xavier. WAY too much. Yes, those obnoxious caps are necessary. It’s been the Logan, Erik & Chuck show since the beginning and they’ve done very little to make other characters’ matter. The only other character given as much significance as them?
Fucking Mystique.

Jean was basically just Logan’s love interest in the og trilogy. Ice Man? Don’t make me laugh. His “big moment” was a generic beam battle where he turned into a block of ice. Storm, the goddess, just looks up into the sky in a trance. Rogue was aight but they didn’t need Ms Marvel to make her *thee* Rogue we all know and love. DOFP was the absolute worst in this regard. Bishop was basically worthless in a movie that should have given him more- and more important- screen time than anyone else.

Sure, we’ve had some great fan service along the way. X2 gave us stellar performances of Beast and Nightcrawler. Quicksilver is easily one of the best heroes we’ve seen across the entire superhero movie landscape during the last five years. We got a Deadpool movie that turned out to be one of the best love letters to a comic book character that we’ve seen on film. Deadpool, Magneto, Xavier, and Logan were cast nearly without flaw and I only say “nearly” to be diplomatic.

First Class was an excellent reboot before they went all MORE COWBELL! On us.

For a franchise that came with a treasure trove of world-building ingredients of a seemingly “just add water” variety, they’ve dropped the ball and lowered the bar to “it makes money, so fuck it” levels that are currently surpassed only by Paramount’s live action animation adaptions. Plus they did head-scratching shit like cast the goofiest looking, Stifler-faced guy possible as Stryker. Yeah, I found it really fucking distracting because I kept waiting for him to say “what the fuck are you guys doing here?”

With such a deep roster and history it shouldn’t have been a thing to create separate films for other characters, hero and villain alike, turning X-Men films into collective culminations of smaller, more focused stories. The over-emphasis on Logan/Magneto/Charles/Mystique over the course of 6 films coupled with the treatment of most other characters as cameos as well as the painfully bland execution of villains WHO SHOULD BE GREAT has brought this whole thing down to a merely passing grade for mindless summer blockbusters. I don’t even want to speculate on who does what, where, when, why or how.

Meanwhile I’m suddenly salivating for Justice League to see how Diana functions as a leader and how Bruce is able to recruit Aquaman and Cyborg with his asshole persona.

I want to see how the Guaradians of The Galaxy have grown as individuals as well as a ragtag family of misfits. I want to see if Teen Groot is a snarky, arrogant asshole or an angsty, overly philosophical douchebag and I want to see how pulls that off saying three words. I want to see if Rocket has finally accepted himself, if Drax falls in love with Mantis despite finding her physically repulsive, and Adam Fucking Warlock. I want to see Howard the Duck again.

I can’t wait for Ragnorak because I NEED to see how Thor gets fucked up and how he & Hulk/Bruce interact and get the hell off that planet. I want to see Thor’s reaction to seeing Hulk again even though I’ve seen it ten times in the trailer already.

And on, and on, and on.

I feel absolutely none of that exuberance or intrigue with the X-Men because it’s become such a predictable, paint by numbers affair in a bad way. The issue isn’t that it’s formulaic, Hell, all these movies are formulaic. It’s that the formula just kind of sucks and they haven’t earned an ounce of excitement or affection for anyone at this stage. Scratch that; Quicksilver was a goddamned revelation and yes, the promise of something creative and hilarious involving him does something to elevate things. But after that? I can’t think of a single character I care about. I can’t think of a single thread of this saga that I can’t wait to see unfold. There’s no mystery to unravel and nobody to fall in love with.

It’s got nothing to do with timelines, though that doesn’t help.
It’s certainly not because they’re not Marvel- but the lack of well-constructed connectedness IS a glaring flaw.

It’s because they’ve rested on the strength of well-casted leads for far too long and not only haven’t developed anyone else, they’ve basically plucked the same notes with each of them without much variation. ***Logan is the exception there. That’s something that would have covered for an awful lot of lack in other departments.

  

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15. "And they have nothing new to add to Charles/Magneto"
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Charles: There's good in you, Erik.
Magneto: No.
Charles: And there's good in humans.
Magneto: Also no.

and then at the end of the movie Magneto concludes Charles was right for the exact 5 minutes it took to save the world before going back to villainy.

  

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16. "To add to both of your points"
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This franchise is stuck in an retrograde early 2000s ugly aesthetic. It took how many movies to finally get the classic costumes breifly at the end of a bad movie.

I was never a big fan of First Class.

I loved DoFP, but upon multiple rewatches it does not hold up at all.

As a matter of fact outside of character work and tone, Deadpool doesn't hold up on rewatches. And to be clear, it's still a mostly entertaining movie.

We got Logan which I've only seen twice and enjoyed much more the 2nd time around as really the only truly great film.

Also I think most people are like me and are burnt out on these fucking films.

To make my point clearer, after Amazing Spider-Man 2, I NEVER wanted to see another Spider-Man movie ever again. Well, with the right writing and casting they've got me excited for the sixth film with the character not counting Civil War.

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18. "First Class has grown on me a bit"
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but they didn't hit it out of the park when it was an easy opportunity to do so.

>I loved DoFP, but upon multiple rewatches it does not hold up
>at all.

Yeah I basically ignore the plot on rewatches. It's fun but makes little sense.

>As a matter of fact outside of character work and tone,
>Deadpool doesn't hold up on rewatches. And to be clear, it's
>still a mostly entertaining movie.

It's there for the jokes, which is fine.

>We got Logan which I've only seen twice and enjoyed much more
>the 2nd time around as really the only truly great film.
>
>Also I think most people are like me and are burnt out on
>these fucking films.

Pretty much. I suppose Logan should make me more optimistic cause I think it's their best work, but I didn't watch Apocalypse in the theaters for this reason. Feels like they're just pumping out the team movies every couple years just to do the numbers they know it will do.

  

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19. "And that's another problem. Quanitity over quality"
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I understand these things make money, but now instead of feeling like must-see events, these films just feel like "Oh, another X-Men movie". It's starting to feel like the latter versions of Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street and Halloween where they oversaturated themselves trying to make a quick dollar rather than a good product.

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17. "Yep. I don't think they've advanced that narrative at all. "
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Which is fine, there’s merit to a relationship like that but after First Class they should have used DOFP and AOA to further build the supporting cast while letting Logan, Erik & Chuck lay in the cut.
Preferably Mystique dies in that scenario, but I digress.

Further, both DOFP and AOA could- and should- have been two part films and each realistically could have been developed into trilogies.

Instead cramming into one AOA movie, they could have done a whole trilogy centered around Mister Sinister, Apocalypse, Cyclops and Jean, telling the origin stories of Nate Gray and Cable. Meanwhile they could have gotten someone competent to do fantastic four properly and introduce Franklin.

Spend the Summers trilogy planting seeds to Onslaught and follow up with a new trilogy centered around Onslaught. And no, they don’t need the Avengers and Hulk and company to tell that story. It should be relatively simple enough to retcon to focus on the characters Fox owns *or* strike a deal for a crossover mega event. Nate would make all that plausible enough with his interdimensional abilities and the whole thing could serve as a prequel to the MCU, with the MCU essentially serving as the “pocket universe” Franklin created to save them.

BOOM. That’s a decade of X-Men movies where multiple characters get a chance to breathe and shine.

It doesn’t hav eto be that specific outline either. The point is that they have an abundance of source material and they seem to be doing an awful lot of cramming instead of world-building, and the result has been something significantly less than it’s potential. They need a sharper eye toward the big picture. Marvel has a full on road map for every phase and they always know where they want to be 5 years from any point in time and each film in that cannon is able to help build with the others to a cumulative climax.

If people are cool with big, dumb, loud and colorful mindlessly disposable X-films, have at it. I'd like to see better. Lord knows they've got many a blueprint to work with.

  

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20. "Valid points, and much better explained than others I've heard."
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To each their own, b/c we could go on and on, and back and forth, in regards to the X-Men.

I like em enough to keep seeing them, and the crowd will tell. We very well could get over saturation next year, hell, we are getting as many X-Men films as we are MCU films.

When Fox stretches their legs with the franchise (Deadpool, Logan, Legion), they are met with cheers. I hope New Mutants can do this too, but we'll see b/c they aren't necessarily interesting characters to begin IMO.

I get being nervous for Dark Phoenix b/c of Apocalypse (I liked it, but if most ppl didn't, then I understand the worry).

Then again, all of this could be attributed to being biased too, who knows.

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22. "Y'all gotta stop with the bias bullshit"
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If you like it fine, but y'all niggas scream bias everytime people shit on something.

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24. "Should've known you'd come in here with this shit"
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SMH. You gotta accept motherfuckers ain't standing for wack and mediocre shit anymore.

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31. "RE: Should've known you'd come in here with this shit"
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>SMH. You gotta accept motherfuckers ain't standing for wack
>and mediocre shit anymore.

yep.

and the real reason that fox's take on the x-men gets so much hate is because the potential storylines and the vast collection of interesting characters that the films can go with is unmatched compared to any other comicbook property IMO.

we grew up reading all of the x-men comics and following the ill overarching storylines, seeing our fav. characters with their dope powers then saw the cartoon take those and do a decent spin on them and now with studios like marvel taking lesser comics/characters, making them entertaing and building their own universe and showing the comics respect (those fucks even made antman a movie worth watching for fuck's sake) it's fuckin disheartening to see Fox continue to shit all over the true comic heads with their half-assed films....the way they make their movies shows the blantant disrepect they have for the source material. they aren't completely horrible and there' some good stuff in there but still it's too little and only helps reinforce just how disappointing these films are since you see a bit of hope and then are let down constantly. these films are like the tim thomas of comic book flicks, so much potential but no heart and lazy as fuck.

the irony of Fox only caring about keeping their cash cow going is that if they ever took the time to actually build a coherent cinematic universe for x-men and treat the comics how they deserve to be, they would make even more money and would be a significant rival to Marvel/Disney right now, possibly even more successful...fucking idiots.

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26. "Maybe, but I only hated 2 movies, see above."
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Most people hate the 2 I have mentioned before too: X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

The only real one that I disagree with most on is X-Men: Apocalypse.

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25. "https://media.tenor.com/images/547931dce5ae02e83f58146f07509b0b/tenor.gi..."
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https://media.tenor.com/images/547931dce5ae02e83f58146f07509b0b/tenor.gif

The Xmovie's biggest sin has been relegating so many fan favorites to just cameos when in the comics they all got shine. Its infuriating and to top it all off its so asinine. I know J.Law is a big star but that motherfucker is buried under 5 pounds of blue makeup and STILL didn't put in half the work that Romain Stamos did, lol.

  

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21. "nah more than 2 of them joints suck"
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BUT yes the hate on the Fox X-Mens are vastly overblown.

it's just feast or famine for how good these X-Men joints are.

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27. "there are only 3/4 stinkers in the x-men franchise"
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not bad at all in a 10 movies run.

and logan, DOFP, X2, first class > 90% of the "can't do no wrong" disney/marvel movies

  

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29. "I don't understand the first class love"
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You had picture perfect casting of Mags and Prof. X and the scenes that played to those strengths are fantastic...rest of the movie tho...the un-killable black man dying first (lol), and that laughable final fight beach scene* with Zoey Kravitz impersonating Mothra with horrible 1960's special effects. I can't even name any of those new mutants from those films outside of the previously established main ones.

That said, X2 is still comic book movie GOAT.

  

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30. "The major failure of FC to me was the follow up"
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Killing Darwin was stupid. In fact, they pretty much held to form with my overarching issue with these films in treating everyone as ultimately unimportant.

Except, of course, for fucking Mystique for some strange reason.

From the standpoint of the premise of the movie though? I’m good with it because it was an Xavier & Magneto origin story, as it should have been. I’m not a fan of the way they treated the students in FC, but I can live with it within the context of FC being the setup to showcase Charles & Xavier as an origin.

Had they followed with meaningful explorations of those students in further films while pushing X & Mags to the back instead of doing the Super Awesome Logan, Erik & Chuck MEGAMIX, FUCK YEAH!!! Episodes IV & V.... I think FC would look far better in cannon.

I definitely see where it falters within the big picture of the series, but as a standalone I think it’s very good. As you said, the Erick & Chuck stuff was very good. Ditto the villains. Hellfire Club – Shaw, Emma, Azazel? Yeah I’m happy with all that. For my money it’s the best we’ve seen from Magneto in particular.

That said, as long as these characters are treated as little more than a loose equivalent to the lazy approach taken with the aesthetic of MK’s palette swap ninjas, we’ll always get middling, tired and/or severely flawed X films.

  

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28. "So Fox retconned Phoenix from X-Men 3"
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just to do it all over again? This is a terrible idea. I would think that Fox would save that story for a movie when the inevitable reboot comes along.

The franchise was already on fumes when DOFP dropped, now the execs are convincing themselves that this franchise still has legs because of Logan and Deadpool. It's time to let X-Men go. Fox still hasn't figured out how to wiggle out of this forced lineup of characters. The most necessary characters to this story aren't even set up within the franchise in the way that the story requires.


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32. "the people who claim x-men films are well-liked are so weird to me"
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33. "yeah....these last few were immediately forgettable."
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From The Last Stand onwards they basically are all so disposable. They are the type of movies that you fall asleep to when you leave the TV on FX.

There are individual scenes from all those movies that are great on their own but.....that's all.


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35. "RE: the people who claim x-men films are well-liked are so weird to me"
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First Class is 86% on RT

DoFP is 91% on RT

Appocalypse took a dive at 48%

Logan back up at 93%


3 of those 4 were well received. DoFP seems to get less praise now then when it dropped. FC is still pretty well regarded. I guess Logan doesn't count but betting if it would have been awful it would to fit the narrative that they all sucked since X2.

  

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36. "Logan is an X-Man, but is &quot;Logan&quot; an X-Men movie???"
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37. "so, when you were done cherry picking examples"
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X-Men: The Last Stand - 58%
X-Men Origins - Wolverine - 38%


X-Men & X2: X-Men United are both in the 80s. they are both trash movies I would never under any circumstance rewatch and did not like them at the time.

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39. "It's not cherry picking when he posted the most recent x-men films"
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it's not like he randomly selected.

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41. "RE: so, when you were done cherry picking examples"
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yeah, you mentioned recent. but the first two aren't considered bad, especially X2 which is considered by most superhero film fans to be in the upper tier..

  

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44. "there seems to be a miscommunication"
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I didn't say recent.


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34. "Looks like Magneto is gonna be doing the same shit he's been doing"
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Spoilers but really what in the fuck is there to spoil? Literally, no one can be surprised by this news.

http://www.cbr.com/x-men-dark-phoenix-magneto-new-role/

When Magneto returns in X-Men: Dark Phoenix, he may have a new role. Nerdist reports the character will have a new outfit in the film, which suggests his connection to an infamous group of mutants. This rumor may contain potential spoilers for the upcoming film, so read on at your own risk!

According to the report, Magneto will wear a costume that is “meant to suggest the imagery commonly associated with cult leaders.” As such, the report speculates that X-Men: Dark Phoenix will introduce the Acolytes, or a group of militant mutants who believe in Magneto’s creed that mutants are superior to humans. First appearing in Chris Claremont and Jim Lee’s X-Men #1 in 1991, the Acolytes have boasted such members as Colossus, Quicksilver, Fenris, Omega Red and more. In the team’s original incarnation, their ringleader Fabian Cortez used Magneto’s alleged death to make him a martyr and lionize his human-hating ideals. In the comics, the Acolytes have long been seen as a group of mutant supervillains.

Additionally, the report indicates that Dark Phoenix will also use Genosha as a setting. After debuting in Uncanny X-Men #235, the island nation took on a prominent role in 90s X-Men comics when Magneto claimed it as his own. He soon made Genosha a mutant homeland, where mutants could live free of persecution. Ultimately, Genosha and its inhabitants were obliterated by Sentinels; it has never again been fully operational.

X-Men: Dark Phoenix will recount the events that turned the psychic mutant Jean Grey into the all-powerful celestial creature Phoenix, as portrayed in the Dark Phoenix Saga comic book arc that ran from January to October in 1980. In the comic book storyline, Magneto never witnesses Jean in her full Dark Phoenix state, though he does meet her just after she “returns to life” as Phoenix. If this report is any indication, however, Magneto may feel the full force of the Dark Phoenix in the upcoming film.

Written and directed by longtime franchise producer Simon Kinberg, X-Men: Dark Phoenix will adapt the seminal 1980 Marvel Comics storyline “The Dark Phoenix Saga.”

Opening Nov. 2, 2018, X-Men: Dark Phoenix stars James McAvoy as Charles Xavier, Michael Fassbender as Magneto, Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique, Nicholas Hoult as Beast, Sophie Turner as Jean Grey, Alexandra Ship as Storm, Tye Sheridan as Cyclops and Kodi Smit-McPhee as Nightcrawler.

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38. "Why not make an R-rated Magneto flick?"
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40. "that's a really cool idea"
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do the origin in-depth. In fact, do a 3 part story from the concentration camp, to coming of age, then as an old man

  

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42. "They've literally tried this already"
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Frist Class was originally supposed to be X-Men Origins: Magneto which got canned after 1. they couldn't get a script together and 2. X-Men Origins: Wolverine

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43. "RE: They've literally tried this already"
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>Frist Class was originally supposed to be X-Men Origins:
>Magneto which got canned after 1. they couldn't get a script
>together and 2. X-Men Origins: Wolverine


it was scrapped and turned into first class which ended up being a good decision for Fox but that part of magneto being a james bond type cat with mutant powers was arguably the best part of first class. I wish we got to see more of him being a globetrotting spy/mutant slowly unlocking his power potential to get revenge.

i'd been saying ever since that flick dropped but i'd love to see fassbender take a stab at bond.

man, i wish vaughn never left...

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64. "1st Class was 1st Class..."
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>
>which ended up being a good decision for Fox but that part of magneto being a
>james bond type cat with mutant powers was arguably the best
>part of first class. I wish we got to see more of him being a
>globetrotting spy/mutant slowly unlocking his power potential
>to get revenge.
>
>i'd been saying ever since that flick dropped but i'd love to
>see fassbender take a stab at bond.
>
>man, i wish vaughn never left...>

^
that there

1st Class might just be my fave X movie....that entire first part from Magneto as a kid through Magneto the globetrotter/spy was PERFECTlY executed. (and Yep, i loved the whole 1st class movie as it is, but i ALSO would have been totally cool with spending a whole movie with JUST the one Magneto character in this particular directors hands.)

  

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45. "I told y'all Simon Kinberg was wrong for this."
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Read everything below. Let it sink in. And then read it again.

Isn't Jessica Chastain playing an interglatic villain?
Also, Magneto is leading a new group of mutants. Again.
Like BigReg said I don't think anyone is that emotional attached to the new Jean or Cyclops for them to pull this off.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/883783-simon-kinberg-teases-a-grounded-tone-for-x-men-dark-phoenix#/slide/1

Simon Kinberg teases a grounded tone for X-Men: Dark Phoenix

Production is already underway for the upcoming X-Men: Dark Phoenix film, and in the latest issue of Total Film, director Simon Kinberg teased his plans for the film using some unexpected buzzwords.

Speaking with the outlet, Kinberg said that for the film (which he is writing, producing, and directing) to work, he needed to “find a way to ground it so it’s not too intergalactic.” Kinberg added that he considers the X-Men movies to be “human…and emotional,” though it remains to be seen how those qualities would preclude the film (set to introduce aliens to the X-Men films) from being “too intergalactic.”

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46. "I'm the biggest defender of these movies..."
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And while I still like most of them, they are getting harder and harder to defend as a whole when the creators behind them can't understand how to tell a grand story with real characters as opposed to a 'grounded' one that seems more realistic and relatable.

Just give us the X-Men going to space to save a kidnapped Jean Grey and have them square off against Lilandra and her Imperial Guard for Phoenix's life. Easy. Character moments, with good writing, will happen if the story lends itself that way, even in space.

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49. "RE: I told y'all Simon Kinberg was wrong for this."
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>Read everything below. Let it sink in. And then read it
>again.
>
>Isn't Jessica Chastain playing an interglatic villain?
>Also, Magneto is leading a new group of mutants. Again.
>Like BigReg said I don't think anyone is that emotional
>attached to the new Jean or Cyclops for them to pull this
>off.
>
>http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/883783-simon-kinberg-teases-a-grounded-tone-for-x-men-dark-phoenix#/slide/1
>
>Simon Kinberg teases a grounded tone for X-Men: Dark Phoenix
>
>Production is already underway for the upcoming X-Men: Dark
>Phoenix film, and in the latest issue of Total Film, director
>Simon Kinberg teased his plans for the film using some
>unexpected buzzwords.
>
>Speaking with the outlet, Kinberg said that for the film
>(which he is writing, producing, and directing) to work, he
>needed to “find a way to ground it so it’s not too
>intergalactic.” Kinberg added that he considers the X-Men
>movies to be “human…and emotional,” though it remains to
>be seen how those qualities would preclude the film (set to
>introduce aliens to the X-Men films) from being “too
>intergalactic.”
>
>

  

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50. "There was never anything right about it. It was always going to be trash..."
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The best this was ever going to be was

"well, that wasn't the worst thing ever."

Because Fox.

  

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47. "First look at the film."
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Still, don't trust Kinberg for shit.


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48. "boring"
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Next to Spiderman, X-Men comics were my favorite as a teen back in the 90s.

Sadly I feel like they ran it into the ground. For me the last straw was that they took a great villain like Apocalypse, cast a great actor like Oscar Isaacs, and still managed to make a garbage movie. They didn't even really know what to do with Michael Fassbender in it, other than give his character a half-assed version of how he develops in the last two movies. They even have a chance to switch it up a little with the estranged son subplot...and they don't.

Logan was a smart move, going off in an entirely different direction in a seemingly alternate universe and not providing a clear explanation for any of that shit. Take it or leave it.

Pretty bored with this stuff now. I guess The New Mutants movie could be interesting if it's more of a horror movie than another tired X-Men movie.


  

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51. "RE: Villians"
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I agree 100 %

>they took a great villain like Apocalypse, cast a great actor like Oscar Isaacs, and still managed to make a garbage movie

I'm not sure we will ever get to see the villains like Apocalypse, Doom or even Darkseid done right before the comic book movie genre is stopped/halted because people are done seeing this type of movie.


I just want a good version of Doom on the screen before it's over.


As for this latest X-Men movie, I'm going to treat it like Justice League and wait for the word of mouth reviews before making a decision to go see it or not in the theaters. I didn't go pay to see that one, glad I didn't it was all over the place.

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53. "if they can do a good Thanos anything is possible"
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i'm hoping the merger goes through, because i think Marvel would make Doom the next Big Boss post Infinity War. i don't think they'll want to jump right back into another cosmic villain like Galactus. Doom would allow them to have a fully Earth based story that allows them to integrate the F4 into the universe seamlessly, tell some really awesome Dr. Strange and Spiderman stories, etc.

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54. "you think so?"
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They are some how juggling it well, but I already think the MCU is getting a little too big. I'm excited for Infinity War but I don't see how it's going to tell a cohesive story with that many characters and that much shit going on. The Russo Bros. successfully pulled off a large ensemble cast with Civil War, but Infinity War seems like Civil War x10.

Now merging with Fox and adding the X-men to that? TOO MUCH.

Aside from the fact that without Wolverine the current X-Men roster is pretty boring. And there's the whole problem with Quicksilver.

  

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52. "I'm content with Logan being the end of that universe....."
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I might still check out Deadpool 2.

The way I see it, Days of Future Past happened. I choose to consider X-Men: Apocalypse and X-Men: Dark Phoenix as its own timeline.

  

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55. "This bullshit got pushed back"
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Now opening February 14th, 2019.

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56. " either it's getting canned or they're retooling it for the MCU"
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57. "Way I look at it is this."
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If the Fox deal closes this year, which is probably will (January will probably happen), do you really think Kevin Feige will put up with an X-Men movie (with Skrulls) in theaters one month before Captain Marvel (with MCU Skulls)? Nope.

I’d be surprised if we see Dark Phoenix and New Mutants now.

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58. "That's an excellent point"
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Especially because we know Fox will fuck it up.

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61. "I'm literally laughing out loud at this... this shit not being retooled ..."
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Marvel Studios is going to completely recast, rewrite, reboot and reintroduce Marvel's X-Men, as they should

  

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60. "Reason for delay. (partial swipe)"
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X-Men: Dark Phoenix marks the directorial debut of franchise writer/producer Simon Kinberg and brings back the star-studded cast of X-Men: Apocalypse, plus Jessica Chastain in a key role. Kinberg’s script convinced A-list talent like Jennifer Lawrence and Michael Fassbender to return even though their contracts for the franchise ran out with Apocalypse, but with A-list talent also comes high-class scheduling issues.

Sources with knowledge of the situation tell us that Dark Phoenix had a test screening to see what was working and what wasn’t, and like most big budget films it needs some additional photography—this is standard procedure for blockbusters nowadays. But given the in-demand nature of this A-list cast, getting all the necessary cast members assembled for reshoots is no easy task. The earliest availability for everyone to return was August or September of this year, which would leave just a couple of months to complete necessary visual effects for the new scenes. That wasn’t enough time, and so Fox decided to push Dark Phoenix’s release date to February to give everyone the time necessary to complete the needed additional photography and post-production on said sequences. So the release date delay for this film is basically just an issue of scheduling.

http://collider.com/x-men-dark-phoenix-new-mutants-release-date-delay-explained/

  

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63. "They won't hear you, tho."
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59. "LMAO. This shit is trash and that was apparent from jump."
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100% of the information needed to know this shit was hot garbage was present the day it was announced.

Nothing has changed.

  

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62. "phoenix is one of my favorite story lines"
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I hope the reshoots make it awesome. I was very disappointed how much they fucked up apocalypse

  

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65. "Ding dong the witch is dead!!!"
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66. "Am I the only one who doesn't want the Xmen in the MCU?"
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67. "a couple of years ago i would've been with you"
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but in the meantime superhero fatigue kicked in so right now i don't give a fuck either way

  

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68. "Not right now, at least."
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Finish all the planned “phases”, then do a whole Big Bang and create a new consolidated universe with he Avengers, X-Men, F4, and new villains.

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70. "You're not."
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I'd rather see a good Fantastic Four inclusion, tbh. X-Men can chill on the sideline for a while.

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69. "So this means..."
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No New Mutants (date pushed back to next Fall)
No X-Force (they could be pretty cool if done by the Deadpool team)
No Deadpool 3

I'm mixed on this. I don't mind the X-Men films on the whole, and don't mind they don't interact in the MCU.

On the other hand, fully integrating these characters into the MCU would be pretty awesome.

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71. "that leaked trailer on reddit looks bad"
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A link to the link to the link

https://movieweb.com/x-men-dark-phoenix-leaked-trailer-online/

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72. "Looks like a standard X-Men movie. If you're already on board with those..."
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...looks like it'll scratch that itch.

They've done more good than bad, in my opinion, so I'm always willing to hear them out.

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73. "it looks like Apocalypse pt 2"
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they lost me with that one

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74. "Trailer niggas"
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https://youtu.be/QWbMckU3AOQ

There probably should have been a movie before this cause I don't really care what's going on.

The car crash looked cool at least.

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75. "i care (c) luke"
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>There probably should have been a movie before this cause I
>don't really care what's going on.


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76. "why are they doing this. "
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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77. "So now SHi'ar, no Lilandra?"
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None of that shit, just Charles is responsible for holding her powers back and she's now finally able to access them?

Oh naw, i'm out.

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78. "Like I said up there^^^ I enjoy these more than not, BUT..."
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...I've long been tired of Xavier vs. Magneto vs. Xavier vs. Magneto in every. frigging. movie.

I ain't even a huge X-Men comic fan like that and I know there's a massive mythology they could've been tapping into instead of retreading the same ground constantly. Wasted opportunity.

Get whoever at Marvel is responsible for Cloak and Dagger to contribute to this reboot.

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79. "I'm going to see it, but it looks like garbage"
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It looks all too similar to Last Stand.

Everything about this looks played out. They better give us more Quicksilver this time because without Wolverine, there are almost no interesting characters left in this franchise.

The Prof X/Magneto dynamic is broken. They had a good start in First Class, but somehow dropped the ball. The chemistry is no longer there, and nowhere near as good as Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan.

Similar to what someone else said, I think the only thing this movie could possibly do to make me like the franchise again is if at the end all of the characters turn to dust and the big reveal is that this was part of the MCU all along, and the X-Men are all victims of the snap. Then when everything gets fixed in Avengers 4 they go and recast all of that shit with better actors. Except maybe Evan Peters and Sansa Stark, they can stay.

  

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80. "Keep Evan, Sansa can go too. "
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81. "Trash...Glass in theaters 1-18-19"
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82. "Release date moved from Feb 14 to June 7."
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Also, the next X-Men Dark Phoenix won’t open on Feb. 14 anymore, rather next summer in the June 7 slot. The trailer launched this week earning close to 8M YouTube views on Fox’s channel. Summer is not only a better date, but again, it gives the film a better shot to have a bigger opening in China. Why? The trailer clocked 44 million views in first 24 hrs of release online this week out of China.

https://deadline.com/2018/09/dark-phoenix-alita-battle-angel-deadpool-gambit-release-date-changes-1202473229/

  

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83. "Dark Phoenix | Official Trailer"
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Dark Phoenix | Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-q8C_c-nlM

  

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84. "better than the other trailers but . . ."
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this still doesn't look very good.

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85. "None of this looks *bad* to me."
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I'm just tired of the Singer aesthetic and damn Magneto all the time.

I don't care if MCU takes it over or not, but I do want to see someone(s) with a fresh vision take over.

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86. "this looks like dookie"
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Last Stand all over again.

But then personally Logan made me realize that I give two fucks about the rest of the X-Men.

  

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87. "Its Dark! I'm upset! "
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88. "Not a fan of the trailer"
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I'm not one who believes that quality of the trailer correlates to the quality of the film, but that did nothing to make me want to see this.

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89. "Haven't seen it, but I know it's absolute trash"
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First Class was a great reboot.

Both Days of Future Past and Age of Apocalypse were lazy cash grabs.

Each was worthy of an entire trilogy, unwisely condensed into a single film.

I said this was garbage when it was announced, and that opinion hasn't changed.

This thing is going to be a tire fire worse than the Bay Transformer's movies, which at least managed to stoke a certain masochistic curiosity due to Bay's low IQ, low-common-denominator sensibilities growing dumber and more absurd with each film.

This won't even have that going for it, because pouring a gallon of movie into an 8 ounce glass can't possibly generate the sort of incredulous "are you fucking kidding me? who writes this shit?" moments we got from giant robot nutts, a wise-cracking, ball breaking kung fu master android butler, or a transforming robot truck mounting a surly robot dinosaur and charging through China.

  

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90. "I kind of like the trailer but I have no interest in this"
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I'm probably out.

Seeing young people in movies doesn't appeal to me for some reason.

Plus this still feels so much like the Famke version of this story in Last Stand. I liked that story but I don't have interest in seeing that again.

  

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91. "Dark Phoenix | Final Trailer"
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Dark Phoenix | Final Trailer

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92. "im surprised j law is still showing up for these things."
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93. "she never had a problem phoning in a performance."
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99. "Ha!"
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94. "Saw this shit Monday night."
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Over the course of nineteen years and twelve movies, Fox has released X-Men movies of varying quality. Most okay at best, a couple that are excellent, and most that are very bad. The biggest sin this franchise has suffered is being stuck in a retrograde early 2000s aesthetic. Here we are with the seventh and final installment in the main series is Dark Phoenix. And you know they’re serious this time out as X-Men is missing from the title. After doing a piss poor job adapting “The Dark Phoenix Saga” in X-Men: The Last Stand with the old crew, series stalwart Simon Kinberg makes his directing debut, trying again with the prequel cast. And it turns out that it’s the same X-Men film that they’ve been making for almost twenty years now.

During a dangerous mission with the X-Men in space, Jean Grey (Sophie Turner) absorbs a cosmic entity that unleashes her dark side. After a series of escalating incidents, mutants now must fend for themselves after Jean’s newfound power grows stronger and more unstable. Meanwhile, the leader of a mysterious alien race (Jessica Chastain) seeks the power for global domination and annihilation.

The biggest problem here is that there is a whole movie’s worth of character development missing from X-Men: Apocalypse to this film. Professor X as a sniveling, egotistical villain could’ve worked had there been a movie in between these two to reach this point. James McAvoy plays the Professor as smarmy, and almost hand-rubbingly comical to drive home the fact that we’re not supposed to be rooting for Charles Xavier this time out. With a mouthwatering grin and watery eyes, it was a little too much. As always, these X-Men films have no clue what to do with Professor X (Logan being an exception) and it shows here. Remember Rose Byrne’s Moria MacTaggert who was Charles Xavier’s love interest in both First Class and the previous film? Never mentioned here. You’d think this being the last one they’d wanna touch upon that.

Michael Fassbender’s Magneto had the most interesting storyline which should’ve been its own film. Granted the island of Genosha by the U.S, government, this has been its own storyline in the comics for Magneto giving our villain/anti-hero some much-needed pathos. In fact, it would’ve been cool to explore how a former bad guy tries to atone for his past sins by creating a community shut off from the world to help others like him. It’s just too bad all of that falls to the wayside for Magneto to briefly break bad, then turn good again.

I feel bad for Sophie Turner. She is giving a great performance for material that is not really there. Scott (Tye Sheridan) and her are now in a relationship and this is where I mean that there’s a movie missing. In Apocalypse, Scott had a crush on Jean and Jean was just trying to make friends with everyone. Here, they’re in a relationship and it doesn’t feel natural. I do appreciate that this time out, they put here front and center instead of a chess piece like in The Last Stand. This also brings up the many, many continuity problems that have plagued this series. In the previous film, it is shown that the Phoenix Fore was inside of her all along like the OG trilogy, now they take it back to their cosmic roots of the Phoenix Force being an entity. There’s something to be done here with a woman’s emotions and problems trying to be figured out be men seeing how the X-Men has worked with allegories since their comic book debut.

But hey at least Jennifer Lawerence showed up for work this time out. It seemed like she actually gave a shit and turned in actual performance. And speaking of character development, remember how in X-Men: First Class how Mystique and Beast (Nicolas Hoult) had a thing for each other and it’s kinda been dropped in these last two movies? Well, there’s a very awkward scene where Mystique asks Beast to run away with her. Again, when did these two become a couple and it seemed Jen and Nicolas weren’t too keen on the scene for obvious personal reasons. Oh and for some reason, that’s not explained, Beast can transform into his human form at will. Seriously. Same goes for Mystique who has no reason to turn into Jennifer Lawerence in this film.

So, if you’re wondering just who Jessica Chastain is playing all I can say is a shape-shifting alien. They mention her name once and I can’t remember for the life of me. Not that it matters that much as honestly. She’s just there to push Jean towards evil and provide a villain for the X-Men to fight. And if you’re wondering why Jess’s eyebrows and hair are bleached blonde, maybe because she’s an alien, I can tell you that the alien kills human Jess who had bleached eyebrows and hair.

Narratively, there’s an odd pace to this movie. Taking place in 1992, it’s been 30 years since the events of First Class, and no one has aged. It’s weird how the prequel series jumps forward a decade with each film adding nothing aesthetically or narratively. But yeah, this is less than two hours and it feels both too long and too rushed. Part of that is due to properly service all of the characters. Sadly, this is the best use of Storm even if Alexandra Shipp’s African accent is so bad that at one point laughs erupted during my press screening. If you’re wondering of Evan Peter’s Quicksilver is given closure with Magneto, sorry to say that after the first twenty minutes Quicksilver is put into a coma until the last five minutes of the movie, so his storyline is never properly resolved. Tye’s Cyclops is still a whiny bitch. You’d think after years of fan complaints on how Cyclops has been portrayed on screen that they’d at least try to switch it up. And Kodi Smit-McPhee’s Nightcrawler comes to realize he’s okay with killing in the third act despite there being no set-up for this at all. I’ll give Dark Phoenix this, at least this is the first X-Men movie to feel like a team movie with everyone working together and using their powers together. For the comic fans out there, Dazzler makes an appearance. For those of you who don’t know who Dazzler is, the scene she’s in is goofy and obvious fan service.


Simon convinced Hans Zimmer to come out of retirement for scoring comic book movies to score this. This is perhaps Zimmer’s most uninspired score I’ve ever heard. Nothing here sounds good. When talking to a couple of colleagues, they were both shocked that this was a Zimmer score. One said the film was overscored and yeah it was. I was shocked by how bland it sounded.

So for those of you wondering how was the directing debut of the writer of xXX: State of the Union? Well, it’s certainly better than what Bryan Singer did on Apocalypse, but it’s still shoddy. The action is flat with very little excitement. There are two major set pieces here with the space rescue mission and the reshot third act train sequence. Let me say that the space sequence has a very goofy eye cannon for Cyclops to use. You can tell this is someone’s first feature as the movie is overedited and some scenes that need to breathe aren’t really allowed to.

Simon has been writing for the X-Men franchise since The Last Stand. The best one he’s touched has been Days of Future Past mainly as he’s working from a script that Matthew Vaugh and his writing partner worked on vigorously before leaving the franchise. All of the hallmarks of his writing are here. There is a lot of bad dialogue including the one PG-13 use of fuck uttered by Cyclops and it is unintentionally hilarious. However, the film’s biggest sin is doing this storyline right after we’ve been just introduced to the younger versions of these characters taken the emotional weight that this is supposed to have and throwing it out of the window.

Hopefully, Disney put the X-Men on a ten-year hiatus. Five at the shortest and when the mutants are introduced into the MCU, hopefully, time is taken to do “The Phoenix Saga” properly before jumping directly into “The Dark Phoenix Saga”. The way this film wraps up in the last five minutes reeks of reshoots after the Disney merger. Most of it lazy and doesn’t make sense in the slightest. But hey that’s been the X-Men franchise since The Last Stand. What makes this worst is that this film’s ending retcons the best film in this franchise, Logan. Take that as you will

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bwood
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95. "Cotdamn. This shit hella flopped."
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$33 million opening weekend and it'll struggle to reach $70 million domestically.

Good luck New Mutants

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96. "I think New Mutants was shelved altogether"
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Almost every description or review of Dark Phoenix that I've read claim that it is the last X-Men movie that will be released under Fox.

Unless they are considering New Mutants to be its own thing and not related to the X-Men franchise, I think it is not going to see the light of day. I could be wrong but that seems to be the case.

  

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97. "The official word was that New Mutants will be released April 3, 2020"
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Have no idea where it stands now.

They could still try to put it out as a stand alone film. However, all the marketing for Dark Phoenix didn't even seem to acknowledge that it was an X-Men film, so it's not clear if even that will work.

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98. "It's just as bad as the last couple."
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100. "dogshit"
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total dogshit

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101. "Back In 2017 I Was Hyped, But In 2019 This Was A Disaster "
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I can't believe how disappointing "Dark Phoenix" was, after seeing it, they should've stopped after doing "Logan", and then waited until all the Marvel franchises came together to do another X-Men film, them rushing to put this out after they originally canned it was kind of lame on their part but I guess Fox didn't want to loose all that money on having it just sit on the shelf.

The trailer made the movie look way better than the actual movie, the first half is decent but then it just goes deeper & deeper down hill.

I was reading all the comments for a long time, thinking "they don't know shit, this movie is going to be dope" then when I actually saw it the week it came out to avoid spoilers, I was soooo pissed, the best thing about this movie was the score, smh.


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