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Don't even bother trying to argue with me that Mighty Mos didn't fall off, this is a personal taste post and there was a moment Mos was my favorite MC and it seemed like dude lost everything that I use to dig about him. When he hooked up with Kanye on Two Words I thought he would take over the world.

He might be making good music for other people, it just doesn't do it for me like his old stuff use to.



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It's not terrible but his disjointed flow was hard to get behind.
Maybe Del on some of his stuff from the last decade. Just elementary stuff from such an innovator.

He's fallen off in a major way. Wasn't he taking music theory or some shit? I'm like dude stop taking whatever music studies you're doing and bring my dude back.

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I liked his verses on the second Deltron 3030. And there's other stuff I'm forgetting, like Hiero-related guest verses. But I will admit he had a run of what seemed like rushed and ultimately subpar albums.

>He's fallen off in a major way. Wasn't he taking music theory
>or some shit? I'm like dude stop taking whatever music studies
>you're doing and bring my dude back.

On the real, he'd been in to that music theory steez even in the early '00s when he was putting out "Both Sides of the Brain." I think it was other stuff that sidetracked him.

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If you can, please reply with the other good material of his that you're referring to. Del was one of my favorites, so if he has good to great material that comes close to his material when he was in his prime, I'd love to hear it.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

Think that was 2000

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>Think that was 2000


I've mentioned this album in another response to this thread, but check out an album titled Attractive Sin. It's a full on album he did with a group named Parallel Thought; the also did work with them when he teamed with Tame-One for the Parallel Thoughts album, which isn't as good as the Attractive Sin album in my opinion. There's about two or three songs with Del just blacking out with him rhyming straight with no choruses or minimal breaks if memory serves me right and his off the wall flow from his top level days are on this album as well. I almost sound as if I'm street teaming for the record the way I'm recommending it.

But getting back to being dissapointed with Del as of late, I think I officially buried my head in the sand when that horrible Eleventh Hour album dropped. I had huge hopes for that being stellar material since El-P was at the helm for Definitive Jux and that track Del and El-P did for Both Sides of The Brain Offsprings was top notch. Boy was that album utter crap.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

... "Both Sides of the Brain" the day it came out, and then I went back to the store the next day and returned it. I was like... "I never do this, you know me. I buy everything. I want my money back for this joint. It's too terrible."

They let me return it, and when I skimmed Deltron3030 when it dropped, I had no problem passing on it.

Sucks when that happens with artists that you were once a big fan of, but hey... it happens.

check that out if you want to hear a fairly recent album from Del.

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strap you down and slap you around
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used to laugh at that line, the crew and I turned it into an inside joke. But yeah that flow was on some other shit. He was trying to adjust to the times.

>Maybe Del on some of his stuff from the last decade. Just
>elementary stuff from such an innovator.

It's a crying shame how subpar his flow is on most of his releases post-Gorillaz. I dunno the reason, but it feels as if he's experimenting with the music theory stuff that others have mentioned when he rhymes; problem is that it's been about 10 years now if my math is right since he started with his music theory method for making beats.

The only somewhat recent release I can say I liked from Del is an album he did with a group named Parallel Thought called Attractive Sin. A good number of the tracks feature some of the of the wall flows from Del in his prime.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

dude pretty much had it all...brooklyn pedigree, jamaican/dancehall flavor mixed into his flow, love from the niggas and the broads, and true skill and talent. not sure why he never even attempted to come back after his 2nd album. he coulda smashed with a 3rd album and never looked back. him and mos immediately come to mind in these discussions



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>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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.....he dropped "Legal" in 1990 ..then NOTHING for over 4 years ...then he showed up with a classic appearance on the Crooklyn Dodgers 12" ..at this point, he's poised for a comeback. Then he drops revelations which was a DUD, but had Buckwild and Primo remixes that were dope ...yeah maybe you could say he fell off lol

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>It's not terrible but his disjointed flow was hard to get
>behind.

"Still Got It Made" brought a smile to my face. Like "yeah... dude still got it"

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Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

Man, that's my favorite LP of his.

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I rocked that album heavy when it dropped, still go back to it
It probably is my favorite album of his overall also



>Man, that's my favorite LP of his.

Knicks yo
Cowboys yo

I still play it from time to time. Walk the Walk, Crazy, Freaky Flow... I never understood the dislike the album got

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Neva go Back, Lyrics, Rough til the End, Only Gettin Worse, the one joint with E40, the joint with Nine...them are just off the top of my head. Album was good as hell.

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>This email is prompted by stumbling on a best of Mos Def mix.
>
>
>Don't even bother trying to argue with me that Mighty Mos
>didn't fall off, this is a personal taste post and there was a
>moment Mos was my favorite MC and it seemed like dude lost
>everything that I use to dig about him. When he hooked up with
>Kanye on Two Words I thought he would take over the world.
>
>He might be making good music for other people, it just
>doesn't do it for me like his old stuff use to.

I echo the above. I try to force myself to like what he's doing but it just doesn't stick with me at all.

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"World Party" has weak. Maybe 2-3 songs that were worth anything but we put that on Goodie as a group.

To be honest, I wasn't that big on either of his solo projects. I know that the general consensus was that he killed it but I didn't care for them.

I also wasn't big on the 1st Gnarls Barkley album. "Crazy" was alright but nothing else grabbed me.

Then he dropped "Fuck You" which I thought was an incredibly corny song. IMO, this is where he absolutely lost me. Even when I wasn't feeling his stuff before this, I could somewhat understand the appeal to some other folks.

We saw Lionel Richie recently and Cee-lo opened for him. It was basically a lounge act with him singing old soul & R&B covers. Horrible.

> We saw Lionel Richie recently and Cee-lo opened for him. It
>was basically a lounge act with him singing old soul & R&B
>covers. Horrible.

Soul Food Cee-lo was one of the greatest of all time. Just so much
raw talent busting at the seams widdit. Was crazy!

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I like it better than any of his solo work.

Early Cee-Lo spit some of the dopest rhymes EVER. He's good forever with me.

Better than any of his albums IMO.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

But as much as I liked him he wasn't top 20 to me.

But this dude these days is a buffoon.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>But as much as I liked him he wasn't top 20 to me.
>
>But this dude these days is a buffoon.

But "Soul Food" and "Still Standing" are 2 of the best albums of all time, IMO. And he was an integral part of those, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to check for his solo stuff.

You're right though...he's a clown these days. I wasn't even able to make it all the way thru that last Goodie Mob album.

That he and Goodie played the role of conscious and always had a sense of positivity.

Cee-Lo started with Git Up Git Out and continued that persona probably through Common's A Song For...

Shit, on Common's G.O.D., he gave us one of the most down to earth real perspectives and somehow didn't come of preachy.

And then he jumped to this solo/Hollywood career and his persona just didn't line up with what I felt I was led to believe.

It's was like "this is the same dude making all those conscious records back in the day?"

I remember seeing him on My Sweet 16 and his wife presented herself in the same light of being spiritual and conscious and then in the show, her and the daughter were so materialistic it was odd to me. And that's not to say you can't be both and they have every right to enjoy their hard-earned money, but something just didn't mesh to me.

And many of my assumptions are my own fault for judging them with the little I knew but I just felt like he came up preaching one thing and then was living another. Like the conscious persona was just a gimmick.

Not sure if anyone else felt like that.

obviously there's a cultural bias with me. Slim Shady LP was one of the first albums I owned that wasn't borrowed from my parents, it was a rapping white guy that wasn't corny (although certain aspects of his music have become corny and/or dated over time) and he was FUNNY. as angsty as his music was it was funny as hell. His (and Dre's) ad libs were wild and they paired him up with perfectly minimal music that didn't force him to feel like he had to roar to be heard.


what happened to him with Encore was a travesty to me, and I thought Relapse might be a sign he'd be at least serviceable going forward but I almost universally hate everything he's touched this decade. just a garbage artist hiding behind a skill with words saying some of the dweebiest shit imaginable atop dumpster fire music.


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just a garbage artist hiding behind a
>skill with words saying some of the dweebiest shit imaginable
>atop dumpster fire music.


this is exactly how i feel about Em's music for the past decade

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Felt
Like it was aimed at teenage white kids. He was the same as the bloodhound gang to me.

. . .I thought the dude was a total gimmick hack from day one, and voiced that thought on many a message board. Subsequently, caught hell for it.

Still pretty fucking awful music in retrospect.

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TRUTH...dude has some nice tracks, and is obviously talented, but to use his talents in the manner that he did/does, corny....

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

After Iron Man, that was it...his production was subpar at best after that...Extremely disappointing....Never gave Deck his due...then he just became cocky his production was shit...

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....if I see that he's produced something, I'm not even intrigued enough to check it out. I still wanna act as if Wu's "A Better Tomorrow" had never happened.


Since 1976

since the dude is so innovative, influential, and isn't a dummy either. Have to wonder what led to him falling off so hard. I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of him per say because I can't excuse his horrible rhyming, but he's easily one of the greats as a producer.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

once you do that, it's pretty much over because nothing you do is held to the personal scrutiny it should be.

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It was like one second Cuban Linx, then the next second Bobby Digital.
And he was never the same after that.

Luckily, Ghost is one of the few great rappers who can pick beats and
still prospered with other production after RZA's fall off.

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...hurts to see the best guy out there a few years in a row, just completely fall the fuck off with the beats

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and that changed his sound too much. He used to work with grimey kung-fu soundtrack samples and shit, as was limited with the hardware he was using which created an original sound/style and expertise that was also connected to the culture he built his aesthetic on. When he could work with more instrumentation, his limitations in those other realms become more glaring.

Like a rapper who wants to sing but really is just an average/okay singer but a great rapper. He left his lane and never went back. The only person that has heard him return to that form is martin shkreli lol

i loved Bobby D as well

after the W it was a wrap, 'cause from 97-01 he was hit or miss

but he did give Ye fire

...what did he give Kanye?...I forgot...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

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those were good...I just wish he'd make a dope Wu album again...all those dudes have been making pretty good stuff on their own but when they get back together under RZA's direction its soooo bad

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>After Iron Man, that was it...his production was subpar at
>best after that...Extremely disappointing....Never gave Deck
>his due...then he just became cocky his production was
>shit...

I love Bobby Digital more now than I did when it originally happened.

White dress and the Kanye stuff in general have me hope. Wasn't he in on Cuban Linz 2 too?

There's no way to argue that he dropped from 100% on tho,

First comeback: Cool enough. One solid album and one "eh" album.

Everything after that has been trash. Truthfully, the last group or solo project I really even sorta felt from either was the Erick Onasiss album.

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called the main event.
its ill as fuck, but was a one off created in Amsterdam for a special project. it was released on very limited vinyl only i think:

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Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>called the main event.
>its ill as fuck, but was a one off created in Amsterdam for a
>special project. it was released on very limited vinyl only i
>think:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMlBuVRRIq0

Mehn, that track is fire. Keith's verse was kind of all over the place and unneeded, but, everyone else was on point, especially the producer. The scratches were nice as hell too.

But, yeah, most of the EPMD and EPMD related stuff I've heard recently has been atrocious. If you ever want to test your tolerance for wackness, go listen to that Undergods album by Keith and Canibus with a few beats on there by E. Never seen two emcees that were once great fall so hard. Oh, and while you're at it, throw E's ESP on top for dessert.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

but the problem is that they aren't on the same page seemingly. Both still have the goods.

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First album, and pre-album stuff and off-cuts, was FIRE. Second one really captured London, perhaps a bit too smooth and polished and some of the cross-genre experiments didn't pan out but others really did. Third one - at this point definitely too polished and glossy-sounding, but still some absolute gems.

They always sounded to me like they should have been the biggest band in the world.

I just feel like its the classic case of an artist having years and the urgency to write their first album, and then not knowing how to draw from that same well after they blew up.

Id almost put Arctic Monkey's in this category as far as bands who were on the cusp even though I wasn't a huge fan of them at the time. They were able to avoid that slump in their sound that was starting to show in album two by switching up their sound into a sleazier Americana type band with Queens of the Stone age producing their next few records...while Bloc Party kept on doing rock band slump avoiding cliche's to weakening effect (we will use more synths! lets go a little heavier!) as opposed to honing their songs.

After Silent Alarm I seriously thought they were about to become one of the biggest bands in the world. It was that good. It's still one of my favorite albums...although when I admit that I almost feel embarrassed because their most recent work has been so bad. Weekend in the City was also excellent. Then they fell the fuck off and totally lost their way.

Lightning in a bottle, I guess...

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I really liked 18th Letter. The Master tho, I listened thru once, maybe twice and had no desire to listen again. That last album he released, I checked out a couple songs and passed. He's still in my top 3 all time tho.