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nativesun07
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"Jay-Z puts himself in the news everytime Nas drops"


  

          

Jay-Z randomly (pettily) does something to make his name viral EVERY TIME Nas releases an album
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Its (almost) hilarious
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When he tweeted about nobody seeing him in a VERSUZ, earlier this week, I should've known Nas was dropping something later this week.
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Is this how a "slow burning soul" behaves🤣

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I'm surprised he ain't drop a 20th anniversary of BP or Unplugged
Dec 24th 2021
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The only Nas/Jay-Z going on is in some people's imaginations
Dec 24th 2021
2
King Disease 8/21/20....JayZ/Pharrell "surprise" single Entrepreneur
Dec 25th 2021
6
      Correlation doesn't mean causation, guy.
Dec 25th 2021
9
Nah.
Dec 24th 2021
3
Nas/Kanye - 6/15/18.......Jay/Beyonce - 6/16/18 "surprise" release
Dec 25th 2021
4
      Maybe that was more about Kanye?
Dec 25th 2021
5
its certainly interesting
Dec 25th 2021
7
idgaf because ...NAS WON.
Dec 25th 2021
8
Nas won
Dec 25th 2021
10
Let's say it's intentional. So what?
Dec 25th 2021
11
Right? Nas has been getting allll the props for this one
Dec 25th 2021
12
Yep. All's quiet on the Jay-Nas front. But people love to hate on Jay
Dec 26th 2021
15
NAS WON.....is what I was pointing at
Dec 26th 2021
13
      in 2021?
Dec 26th 2021
14
           No. Jay's the better rapper. Has a better brand/career.....
Dec 26th 2021
18
                LOL, okay Uncle Rico.
Dec 26th 2021
20
                I repeat: SO WHAT?
Dec 27th 2021
22
You're loud AND wrong though. Jay didn't tweet shit.
Dec 26th 2021
16
Thanks for clarifying this one incident..... and no
Dec 26th 2021
17
No. But he def put out Unplugged same day as Stillmatic on purpose
Dec 26th 2021
19
Jay Z said he would rhyme like Kweli and Common
Dec 26th 2021
21
Like someone already said, it's gamesmanship if anything at all.
Dec 27th 2021
23
Yes it is. It's wonderful to see
Dec 28th 2021
25
Jay should “one up” Nas and find a new producer to work with
Dec 27th 2021
24
just off of Jay's work on striped down production w/ Written Testimony
Dec 28th 2021
26
      I could hear Jay sounding GREAT over Conductor’s shit
Jan 15th 2022
28
Ether
Jan 14th 2022
27
LMAO @ "Is this how a slow burning soul behaves"
Jan 15th 2022
29
This post is weird. Let’s take a leap and say Jay is
Jan 16th 2022
30
No that's not what it means
Jan 16th 2022
31
Basically...didn't Jay tweet today?
Jan 16th 2022
32
      lol wtf
Jan 17th 2022
33
      He expressed regret about Vol. 1
Jan 17th 2022
34
      Seriously. That was such a weird reach.
Jan 17th 2022
38
      Did yall not read what I wrote?...
Jan 17th 2022
43
           Such a ridiculous post.
Jan 17th 2022
45
           .
Jan 17th 2022
50
           He is allowed to do what he wants..
Jan 22nd 2022
54
           In the conversation ........... about himself ?!
Jan 17th 2022
49
      Lol those Nas albums are mid
Jan 17th 2022
35
      Nah
Jan 17th 2022
36
           Kingdom Come had some of the lowest lows of his career.
Jan 17th 2022
37
           I liked more of it than I didn't like.
Jan 17th 2022
47
           RE: Nah
Jan 17th 2022
39
                Yeah, I couldn’t get into it
Jan 17th 2022
40
                I absolutely love 4:44. To me he accomplished the goal of
Jan 17th 2022
41
                     I agree with basically all of this.
Jan 17th 2022
42
                     It’s modern adult contemporary…
Jan 17th 2022
44
                          I get that. And that’s one description that many people would
Jan 17th 2022
46
                               I'm not denying the reason he went that route
Jan 18th 2022
52
                                    If it didn't resonate with you, that's fine - I get it. But it definitel...
Jan 18th 2022
53
      Yeah, this post is fan fiction.
Jan 17th 2022
48
check reply #4 then #6….it’s not just interviews and tweets
Jan 18th 2022
51

Nabs
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1. "I'm surprised he ain't drop a 20th anniversary of BP or Unplugged"
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2. "The only Nas/Jay-Z going on is in some people's imaginations"
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The two have been recording songs together for years. Nas gives Jay a shout-out on the new album.

It's been like Civil War reenactments for a while now. Time for everyone to move on.

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6. "King Disease 8/21/20....JayZ/Pharrell "surprise" single Entrepreneur"
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Sat Dec-25-21 11:47 AM by nativesun07

  

          

8/21/20
a single for nothing...just a release that day


Exhibit 2

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9. "Correlation doesn't mean causation, guy."
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3. "Nah."
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Coincidence.

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4. "Nas/Kanye - 6/15/18.......Jay/Beyonce - 6/16/18 "surprise" release "
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That's one

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5. "Maybe that was more about Kanye?"
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Seems Kanye and Jay have had way more tension between them than Nas and Jay, in the last 15 years.

  

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7. "its certainly interesting "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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8. "idgaf because ...NAS WON."
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10. "Nas won"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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11. "Let's say it's intentional. So what?"
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At worst, it's mere gamesmanship. A bit of healthy competitive drive at play.

And?

  

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12. "Right? Nas has been getting allll the props for this one"
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He got a Grammy for one of the other ones.

  

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15. "Yep. All's quiet on the Jay-Nas front. But people love to hate on Jay"
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YouTube is currently brimming with people trying to trash him for the horrible sin of.....

......not "embracing" lil mama after he jumped on stage, uninvited, during his performance.

To say nothing the "sold his soul to lucifer and joined the illuminati" nonsense that never really left.

But this post here is just hypersensitive fanaticism

  

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13. "NAS WON.....is what I was pointing at"
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14. "in 2021? "
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Whatever helps keep your passion alive I guess

  

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18. "No. Jay's the better rapper. Has a better brand/career....."
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...and he is still being petty about this loss back then.

People are putting alot of assumptions into the original post.
I dont want to see beef
I dont hate Jay-Z
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But this mofo is putting his name in the news everytime NAS drops an album

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20. "LOL, okay Uncle Rico."
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Go practice throwing a football over that mountain range.

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22. "I repeat: SO WHAT? "
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>But this mofo is putting his name in the news everytime NAS
>drops an album

Again: AND?

What's the follow up point here?

Because this is a non-story, even if it's intentional.

  

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16. "You're loud AND wrong though. Jay didn't tweet shit."
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He was asked a question about Verzuz by some Ody on a space that Alicia Keys hosted about her new album.

He answered it.

The end.

I don't know why so many people so badly want these two men to have beef. Shits super corny.

  

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17. "Thanks for clarifying this one incident..... and no"
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...I dont want them to have beef. They don't. Jay-Z has a pettiness about the beef that he lost.

I will be back with this exact post when KD 3 drops

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19. "No. But he def put out Unplugged same day as Stillmatic on purpose"
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Despite always insisting he didn’t

  

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21. "Jay Z said he would rhyme like Kweli and Common"
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ever since I heard that, I am convinced Jay Z is very obsessive with his image and probably insecure with his music,,.

I would not be surprised if he does this intentionally

  

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23. "Like someone already said, it's gamesmanship if anything at all."
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As has also already been discussed, they clearly get along now and have a healthy respect for one another, have been working together now for 15 years, etc.

But their competitive juices still flow, which is a good thing. Let us not forget that Nas used his feature on Jay's "Success" to take a lil shot at his old foe .. on his own song ! "Worst enemies, wanna be my best friend / best friends wanna be enemies like that's what's in .."

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25. "Yes it is. It's wonderful to see"
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The avatar is old. And, no, that hat was not a groovy style back then, either.

  

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24. "Jay should “one up” Nas and find a new producer to work with"
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Somebody better than Hit-Boy that he hasn’t worked with before. Stir things up and make this competition productive.

I vote for Conductor Williams. Blow that man up and make some interesting shit.

  

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26. "just off of Jay's work on striped down production w/ Written Testimony"
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....you just blew my mind with the Conductor Williams thought. That would be magical.

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28. "I could hear Jay sounding GREAT over Conductor’s shit"
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>....you just blew my mind with the Conductor Williams
>thought. That would be magical.

Jay is up on Griselda, so he’s certainly aware of Conductor. That would be something that would have me fiending for a new Jay album.

  

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27. "Ether"
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Ive been listening to Nas non stop. He mentioned something about revenge on Rare and gives hint to him playing chess not checkers.

Jays comment about nobody being able to battle him let me know instantly that he's insecure about kings disease I&II. Then right after the comment Nas drops another album.

Ive always been more of a Nas fan but I like Jay too. He's just not seeing Nas imo.

  

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29. "LMAO @ "Is this how a slow burning soul behaves""
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30. "This post is weird. Let’s take a leap and say Jay is "
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really doing this. He’s looking at the release schedule like “oh shit, Nas bout to drop… let me go get an interview and say something wild…”

So if he does it, are you saying there’s a significant number of Nas fans out there who WERE going to buy his album, but then don’t because “Jay-Z is in the news”???

  

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31. "No that's not what it means"
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I do think Hov does it on purpose. I think he still has it in him to be THE GUY on top. I do think he is in friendly competition with Nas even after making up. It's not like they are BFF's after that. Dude was still fucking his baby moms behind his back and trolling him about it in songs LOL I think they can cool with eachother and laugh it up because they both rich as fuck and living lives neither of them thought they would ever live. Do I think Hov might be petty about it still? Sure. He's a guy into sports.

Anyways my point is that Hov knows that putting himself in the news can take the shine away from any other rapper or take significant shine away from them. And i think thats as far as he might think or want to accomplish. On some I'm still Hov shit.

  

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32. "Basically...didn't Jay tweet today?"
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Something in response to Questlove about one of his albums or single releases? He definitely still wants to be seen as THAT guy, and wants to still be in the conversation.

These Nas releases are eating him up imho. In my fav song from Magic Nas says in the hook "I'm on top and I surprise em."

He sure is on top, and I love Jay.

  

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33. "lol wtf"
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"Didn't Jay tweet today ?" didn't a trillion other celebrities also tweet today ?

>Something in response to Questlove about one of his albums or
>single releases? He definitely still wants to be seen as THAT
>guy, and wants to still be in the conversation.
>
>These Nas releases are eating him up imho.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL eating him up ?! Where did you come up with that bombshell ? You his therapist ?

Jay dropped an excellent, critically acclaimed album just 5 years ago that people still talk about. I think it'd take a lot more than his rival from 2 decades ago dropping a couple average-to-good albums to "eat him up" but call me crazy. I don't know either way but neither do you.

This post just made my morning haha thanks for the laughs.

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34. "He expressed regret about Vol. 1"
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Quest tweeted that Jay was embarrassed for trying to make a monster album that didn’t end up putting up numbers, but that a lot of Jay’s best stuff was on there.

Jay said “Agreed. More so, I know what could’ve been so it haunts me. Streets is Watching was the first song made!”

The hell does any of that have to do with Nas new albums? Lolsmh.

  

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38. "Seriously. That was such a weird reach."
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>Quest tweeted that Jay was embarrassed for trying to make a
>monster album that didn’t end up putting up numbers, but
>that a lot of Jay’s best stuff was on there.
>
>Jay said “Agreed. More so, I know what could’ve been so
>it haunts me. Streets is Watching was the first song
>made!”
>
>The hell does any of that have to do with Nas new albums?
>Lolsmh.

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43. "Did yall not read what I wrote?..."
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Again, Jay wants to be THAT guy and in the conversation. How often does Jay tweet? Thats the firat question I have.

To response to a comment about his album gives opportunity for analysis from fans,critics, and artists alike.

That's what he wants...to be discussed, his music and catalog to be discussed especially NOW. It helps his ego and makes him feel he's not losing his grip if people are analyzing his past music currently.

Yall have to look at the bigger picture and read between the lines. Again, how often does Jay tweet?

>Quest tweeted that Jay was embarrassed for trying to make a
>monster album that didn’t end up putting up numbers, but
>that a lot of Jay’s best stuff was on there.
>
>Jay said “Agreed. More so, I know what could’ve been so
>it haunts me. Streets is Watching was the first song
>made!”
>
>The hell does any of that have to do with Nas new albums?
>Lolsmh.

  

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45. "Such a ridiculous post."
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So Jay isn't allowed to tweet because if he does he wants to be seen as "that guy"?

The fuck?

Is there a specific way you would prefer for him to behave?

  

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50. "."
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54. "He is allowed to do what he wants.."
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But when his biggest competitor has a new release and is currently at the top of the hip hop charts with his new album a person like me, who reads between the lines, will think its suspicious that he responds to a comment on twitter about an album of his when he doesnt even tweet.

Yeah, Quest probably tagged him but if yall don't think Jay is tagged multiple times a day then I'm not into convincing you.

  

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49. "In the conversation ........... about himself ?!"
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>Again, Jay wants to be THAT guy and in the conversation. How
>often does Jay tweet? Thats the firat question I have.

The conversation was literally about him and ?uest even tagged him in the original post. What is "THAT guy" in that scenario, exactly ??

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35. "Lol those Nas albums are mid"
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Even Hov's albums were mid but still better than these Nas/Hit-Boy albums.

  

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36. "Nah"
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Magic is really good.

I’ve listened to it more than any Jay album since probably the Black Album.

I know people liked American Gangster and 4:44 though.

But these Nas albums are miles above that Magna Carta BS, Kingdom Come, BP3.

  

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37. "Kingdom Come had some of the lowest lows of his career."
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But the highs were among his highest highs, too. The title track, Do U Wanna Ride, Lost One, 30 Something, The Prelude ... all absolute bangers. There's a couple more good tracks too.

But yea shit like Beach Chair and Hollywood are total and complete butt.

It's a weird album.

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47. "I liked more of it than I didn't like."
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But I agree it's weird.

I think that even by the mid '00s, rappers were struggling with what it meant to make a "mature" hip-hop album. Both Kane and De La Soul had also tried it with decidedly mixed results ("Taste of Chocolate" and "AOI: Bionix," though I generally like the latter).

Full disclosure (and shameless plug), I wrote a tribute for its 15 anniversary late last year. I agree that "Hollywood" is awful, maybe the worst song of his career. But I like "Beach Chair." However, I'm not a fan of "Anything."

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39. "RE: Nah"
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4:44 is very meh to me. I thought Life is Good was a lot better as well as No I.D. production on it.

I'd take all 3 Nas/Hitboy collabs over it as well

  

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40. "Yeah, I couldn’t get into it"
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>4:44 is very meh to me. I thought Life is Good was a lot
>better as well as No I.D. production on it.
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>I'd take all 3 Nas/Hitboy collabs over it as well

Maybe because a lot of my favorites have been making music in that lane for years, and I just didn’t really care about it coming from Jay? Many really felt it though, so it is what it is.

  

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41. "I absolutely love 4:44. To me he accomplished the goal of "
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what he attempted with Kingdom Come - to make a “grown man” rap album covering mature topics that still knocks.

I view Jay’s career in terms of eras, through Black Album and post Black Album. I think of Black Album as an actual retirement from his new album every year pace, with every album having a goal of being a number 1 seller. Post “retirement” I feel like his focus should have completely shifted away from sales and being the “biggest” rapper in the game to reinforcing his overall legacy by making great albums without regard for having the biggest single or having strong commercial performance.

His best post retirement joints were American Gangster and 4:44, and in those I feel like he focused on making great albums. Kingdom Come was an attempt at this, as was BP3, but he has a tendency of letting commercial sensibilities creep in with trying to appeal to wider audiences on some songs, and that took away from the cohesiveness of those albums. That being said, as mentioned above both of those albums still have some really great material on them. Magna Carter, on the other hand…meh. That album felt like he was trying to continue the themes and sound of Watch the Throne, but without Kanye’s involvement, and it just didn’t work.

  

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42. "I agree with basically all of this."
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>what he attempted with Kingdom Come - to make a “grown
>man” rap album covering mature topics that still knocks.
>
>I view Jay’s career in terms of eras, through Black Album
>and post Black Album. I think of Black Album as an actual
>retirement from his new album every year pace, with every
>album having a goal of being a number 1 seller. Post
>“retirement” I feel like his focus should have completely
>shifted away from sales and being the “biggest” rapper in
>the game to reinforcing his overall legacy by making great
>albums without regard for having the biggest single or having
>strong commercial performance.
>
>His best post retirement joints were American Gangster and
>4:44, and in those I feel like he focused on making great
>albums. Kingdom Come was an attempt at this, as was BP3, but
>he has a tendency of letting commercial sensibilities creep in
>with trying to appeal to wider audiences on some songs, and
>that took away from the cohesiveness of those albums. That
>being said, as mentioned above both of those albums still have
>some really great material on them. Magna Carter, on the other
>hand…meh. That album felt like he was trying to continue the
>themes and sound of Watch the Throne, but without Kanye’s
>involvement, and it just didn’t work.

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44. "It’s modern adult contemporary… "
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It’s listenable. But it’s mid compared to his discog.

  

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46. "I get that. And that’s one description that many people would"
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give what I wrote up above about his post Black Album approach of grown man rap anyways. And yes as I mentioned he shifted his objectives with his albums post retirement.

That’s kind of the point - post Black Album he moved away from making albums with broad appeal that everyone would like, towards joints that felt good to him as “albums”. That means you’re going to have some people who don’t dig it. There’s some folks who didn’t like American Gangster too, I remember hearing complaints about him going back to drug rap (I did a long post in the Lesson back in the day arguing that that was his entire point, pretty clear when you hear Ignorant Shit and I Know which beyond surface are about the exact same thing but opposite sides of the same double entendre.)

But anyways - I feel like Jay HAD to move on to more “adult” type topics post Black Album. There’s different approaches to this, and he did that a few different ways - some unsuccessfully. I love 4:44 because in addition to the theme being “personal and introspective”, the beats knock and sound cohesive together thanks to No ID, Jay’s lyrical skill is on point without any corny experimentation like Beach Chair or some of the joints on Magna Carter, and because he actually stuck to the theme and didn’t try to throw something on there trying to pander a broad audience to get sales.

  

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52. "I'm not denying the reason he went that route"
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It's still not even close to being his best music nor is it even groundbreaking the way people from our generation try to make it out to be. It's just old fans of rap being OH SHIT OUR GUY IS STILL RAPPING and the subject matter is relatable. That's all it is. WHY we can't admit that our fav artists are in their Adult Contemporary eras of their career's? Ionno. The fast your do the better the expectations you will have on their actual albums. Hov is the one of the only guys from that era I don't mind hearing new music from. Busta and Ghost too.

I don't have high hopes for that Black Star album, maybe a little more than originally did after hearing that snippet from Chappelle.

I want someone to bring back Vol 3 and the Neptunes sound back. I've been saying this for years. I wanna see Drake bring it back and finally have a proper posse cut joint of guys trading verses. I need Hov and Drake doing a Put Ya Hands Up. Quest was recently tweeting about this sound needing to come back and he's right it's time.





  

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53. "If it didn't resonate with you, that's fine - I get it. But it definitel..."
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did with me - and I DO put it up there with some of his best music. In fact I personally have it in his top 5 albums, with Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint being clearly ahead of it, and then some order of American Gangster, Black Album, and 4:44 at 3 through 5. The order changes for me depending on the day. But 4:44 has ZERO skips for me. It's an album I listen to from front to back relatively often. Black Album and American Gangster probably have higher highs - but both those records have several tracks that I skip (Change Clothes, Justify My Thug, Hello Brooklyn, Blue Magic, etc.)

Again as I keep saying - 4:44 doesn't have as broad of an appeal as some of his earlier work where he was going for HITS. But I personally have it higher than some of his huge albums like Volume 2 and Volume 3.

  

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48. "Yeah, this post is fan fiction."
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51. "check reply #4 then #6….it’s not just interviews and tweets"
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….he’s actually getting less obvious

and no, I’m not “saying” whatever it is you’re asking if I’m “saying”
Check the original post to see what I’m saying

There’s no Jay hate or prophesizing about sales….it’s just something I’ve noticed from being a fan of both of these guys enough to see patterns over the years

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