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allStah
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"Russell Westbrook wears a long pleated skirt (dress)."
Tue Sep-14-21 06:29 PM by allStah

          

The purpose of fashion is to set trends and generate profits. It has nothing to
do with functionality, so images and styles are promoted to lure and stimulate
the public to purchase and wear the items.

At one point in life, I used to be heavy into fashion, but it was classic 80s
-2000s fashion, where brands were identified by their look as opposed
to placing huge logos and symbols on fabric. Fashion used to be less about
sexuality and more about expression and a sense of style.


Now I feel fashion is being used to get people to exist a certain way instead
of simply looking a certain way.

In the black community, Russell Westbrook is an iconic athlete, who is well
revered for his actions on and off the hardwood. I don’t think him wearing
a dress is a positive representation of a male figure, and it makes a mockery
of black men of this generation.

Here is the photo of him in the skirt.

https://footwearnews.com/2021/fashion/celebrity-style/russell-westbrook-kilt-thom-browne-new-york-fashion-week-1203177246/






HIS NAME IS MASON MOUNT
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zestbrook (c)
Sep 14th 2021
1
yooooooooo!
Sep 14th 2021
2
lol
Sep 15th 2021
20
LOL you are such a loser.
Sep 14th 2021
3
^^^
Sep 15th 2021
13
First the Illuminati came to put skirts on the scots
Sep 14th 2021
4
LMFAO nm
Sep 14th 2021
5
lol
Sep 15th 2021
15
Damn.
Sep 15th 2021
16
L Stah ain't never coming back to this post.
Sep 15th 2021
21
lmao
Sep 15th 2021
24
LOLOLOLOLOL
Sep 15th 2021
26
I just dyed laughing at work. LMAO
Sep 15th 2021
37
A man wearing a single cloth around his waist that covers both legs
Sep 15th 2021
6
I wonder why this is that serious to you.
Sep 15th 2021
7
"Nice top"
Sep 15th 2021
8
Shit is weird.. he seems happy tho… lol
Sep 15th 2021
9
Russ always dress wild tho
Sep 15th 2021
10
RE: Russell Westbrook wears a long pleated skirt (dress).
Sep 15th 2021
11
Russ wore Purple Label to the Met Gala. he looked sharp as fuck.
Sep 15th 2021
12
man look just like Tommy Davidson here lol
Sep 15th 2021
14
"Local Man, Brainwashed By Patriarchy, ...
Sep 15th 2021
17
Clothing has generally been partly to show gender.
Sep 15th 2021
18
Lol. Maybe it's bc I'm African but men in wrappers is very masculine
Sep 15th 2021
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I'd rock "wraps" if I could w/o all the attention
Sep 15th 2021
22
Exactly. Such a flex
Sep 15th 2021
23
LOL, second from left in Polynesian image, thats "White Mike"
Sep 15th 2021
30
      most dangerous person in the group
Sep 15th 2021
32
WORD to all this. the pleats are quite ugly lol
Sep 15th 2021
27
Say that shit again and clap it the fuck out.
Sep 15th 2021
31
You’re a woman. You cannot speak on the behalf of men.
Sep 15th 2021
52
      There are men in here who also have no problem with this.
Sep 15th 2021
54
      Lmao was I speaking on behalf of men? Or as a woman who lusts
Sep 16th 2021
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1. that shit is sexy and it makes me want to lift it up and..slurp. LOL
Sep 15th 2021
25
Your sexual preference is geared towards being attracted
Sep 15th 2021
36
      that's what you're focused on in my response? LOL
Sep 15th 2021
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           You responded to my post.
Sep 15th 2021
50
This post is all about you and your own insecurities...
Sep 15th 2021
28
Dave Chapelle wept
Sep 15th 2021
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I present Dave Chapelle as Robin Quivers. Every star crossdresses
Sep 15th 2021
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The dress was probably the least cringey thing
Sep 15th 2021
34
Dudes lookin goofy af but I guess it pays
Sep 15th 2021
35
      Maybe not.
Sep 15th 2021
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      i'm standing in this line.
Sep 15th 2021
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      Agreed. If it ain't for me, nobody else should do it.
Sep 15th 2021
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           please show me where I said no man should ever wear a dress
Sep 16th 2021
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                I didn't say you said that.
Sep 16th 2021
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                     You let off a full clip...trying to send a message about tolerance
Sep 16th 2021
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                          1. You call that a full clip? 2. How did I "insult" him?
Sep 16th 2021
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                               RE: reply 46
Sep 16th 2021
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                                    1. Reply to that one next time.
Sep 16th 2021
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Russ wore pants to brunch with Nas tho
Sep 15th 2021
40
Say yes to the dress ass niggas.. smh
Sep 15th 2021
41
Weakminded possibly closeted ass losers .. smh
Sep 15th 2021
42
you are so strong Brew.. so strong
Sep 15th 2021
43
      I know, I know.
Sep 15th 2021
44
Antiquated, myopic, backward, toxic, traditionalist, egomaniacal,
Sep 15th 2021
46
Are the drawls sewed in?
Sep 15th 2021
47
you're spending ALOT of time focused on what's under that skirt...
Sep 15th 2021
49
      No. I’m just wondering how the dress functions.
Sep 15th 2021
51
           That's not what the OP was about
Sep 15th 2021
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                I was referring to the drawls comment that I made.
Sep 15th 2021
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                     WHo cares. Let's address the actual topic YOU posted.
Sep 15th 2021
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                          You have a problem or issue with hijacking conversations.
Sep 15th 2021
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                               Wrong. You have a problem with understanding hoe message boards work.
Sep 15th 2021
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My biggest issue with this
Sep 15th 2021
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that's the thing it seems athletes fear doing that more than this...
Sep 16th 2021
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      Russ took ankles out to a whole notha level.. lol
Sep 16th 2021
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I'll cop to being conditioned
Sep 15th 2021
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How many of y'all gonna be forced to PLEAT by this new skirt mandate?
Sep 16th 2021
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What they pleat don’t make me shit.
Sep 16th 2021
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Cant knock the ruffles
Sep 16th 2021
64
Russy dressed like taylor swift
Sep 16th 2021
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      Pleaters gonna pleat
Sep 16th 2021
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           Pleats, rhymes and life
Sep 16th 2021
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                Mo Skirts in the Wild
Sep 16th 2021
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                     ...when I SKIRT...on combat boots...
Sep 16th 2021
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                          Who I skirt? WESTBROOK Who I skirt? SEAN CONNERY
Sep 16th 2021
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                               til' all PLEAT PLEAT PLEAT motherfoker
Sep 16th 2021
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                                    Till all these pleat males crawl n/m
Sep 16th 2021
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                                         Westbrick go bang bang, boom boom, pop pop
Sep 16th 2021
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Where’s the gloves? n/m
Sep 16th 2021
69
Skirt People hurt People
Sep 16th 2021
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lol.
Sep 16th 2021
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I hear you, allStah
Sep 16th 2021
73
thank you
Sep 16th 2021
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Fair enough. Serious question here though.
Sep 16th 2021
80
The OP is shaming Russ for controlling his own image.
Sep 16th 2021
81
Man that's a kilt.
Sep 16th 2021
82
It's skinny jeans, saggin down to your ass, and wearing skirts and dress...
Sep 16th 2021
90

Reeq
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1. "zestbrook (c)"
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2. "yooooooooo!"
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20. "lol"
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3. "LOL you are such a loser."
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Straight up weakminded drivel.

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13. "^^^"
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4. "First the Illuminati came to put skirts on the scots"
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I kept silent because it was the 12th century.

Then they came to put skirts on a few specific black celebs, and there was nobody to speak up!

  

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5. "LMFAO nm"
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But hell, what do I know?

  

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15. "lol"
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21. "L Stah ain't never coming back to this post."
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24. "lmao"
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26. "LOLOLOLOLOL"
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37. "I just dyed laughing at work. LMAO"
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6. "A man wearing a single cloth around his waist that covers both legs"
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Is a really big deal.

Because he may inspire other men who may want to wear a cloth around their waist, that also covers both legs.

That's a very serious issue.

Personally, I have no desire to wear a single cloth that covers both legs. I much prefer cloth that splits and covers each leg individually.

So I just don't wear the one that's covers both legs in a single cloth.

But I hear you. This is a serious problem and men who choose to be themselves are a danger to the whole rigidly held standards of gender identity thing.

Because if there's one thing that's REALLY harmful and detrimental to society, it's people being able to exist as their whole self in ways that's cause no demonstrable harm to anyone.

Those people are super dangerous.

  

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7. "I wonder why this is that serious to you. "
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This may sound like a rhetorical question but it is not: Who really gives a f*ck?


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8. ""Nice top""
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9. "Shit is weird.. he seems happy tho… lol"
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it just feels like trolling and hoping to get as much exposure as possible.

I guess it works because you made a post about it and linked to the photo.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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10. "Russ always dress wild tho"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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11. "RE: Russell Westbrook wears a long pleated skirt (dress)."
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12. "Russ wore Purple Label to the Met Gala. he looked sharp as fuck."
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https://www.gq.com/story/russell-westbrook-met-gala-2021

https://twitter.com/russwest44/status/1437636050915143684

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14. "man look just like Tommy Davidson here lol"
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And he did look effin amazing, though he should have worn a bolo tie instead of a bow tie to go with the theme more.

(and the original post was ignorant as hell btw)

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17. ""Local Man, Brainwashed By Patriarchy, ..."
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... Bemoans Brainwashing by Iconic Black Athlete Revered for His Actions On and Off the Hardwood"

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18. "Clothing has generally been partly to show gender."
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That’s why you didn’t see dudes with pink or ‘girly, colors. People now see that as silly. Folks dress differently now. Not a big deal.

How is this different than a woman wearing a mens blazer? Is she not a good rep for women?

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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19. "Lol. Maybe it's bc I'm African but men in wrappers is very masculine"
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to me and projects power/dominance

This causes me to find it's closest parallel in the West, men with a towel wrapped at the waist after a shower, extremely sexy

Even the most doddery potato-shaped fool can transform into Tyson Beckford in my eyes if I catch him brushing his teeth in a towel lol

You need to decolonize your fashion sense man! Black men on the continent have been tying cloth at the waist since forever

(Maybe RW could skip the pleats next time tho lol)


  

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22. "I'd rock "wraps" if I could w/o all the attention"
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Shirtless too. Seems quite comfortable, and my jawns got room to breathe when it's hot. Kinda wack how it's "weird" for a man to dress like that in the US, espeially in the really-hot southern states.


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With all that said, Russy's outfit kinda looks like something a 17yo young lady from the suburbs would wear for a weekend trip to the mall.

  

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23. "Exactly. Such a flex"
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30. "LOL, second from left in Polynesian image, thats "White Mike" "
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TF homie do to be down with the crew?

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32. "most dangerous person in the group"
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<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->

  

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27. "WORD to all this. the pleats are quite ugly lol"
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31. "Say that shit again and clap it the fuck out. "
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>You need to decolonize your....

reading 'The Man Not' has made this statement make 100000% more sense to me now

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52. "You’re a woman. You cannot speak on the behalf of men."
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just like I cannot speak on the behalf of women.

So your opinion doesn’t count in this situation. You will never
be able to identify with the nature or principles of a man,
and vice versa.

HIS NAME IS MASON MOUNT
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54. "There are men in here who also have no problem with this."
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61. "Lmao was I speaking on behalf of men? Or as a woman who lusts"
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after men (and especially Black/African men), pointing out that the sartorial choice you think looks so emasculating can actually have the exact opposite effect and even activate said lust?

If you choose to limit (Black) masculinity to Victorian sensibilities that's your choice. You don't have to tho lol

Bc as others have also said: there's actually a far longer, richer, and totally normalized history across the globe of men wearing cloths around the waist/wrappers/sarongs/kilts/togas/tunics etc - or as you call them skirts and dresses. Men wearing pants/trousers is a relatively recent phenomenon with origins in Europe and Asia.

Not an opinion just facts!

  

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25. "1. that shit is sexy and it makes me want to lift it up and..slurp. LOL"
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2. your oppressive version of what Black men can and can't be is YOUR problem and not theirs. Every Black man gets to wear whatever clothing he feels good in without the need to be concerned about what some dusty gatekeeper thinks

3. Black muslim men wear long gowns as a part of their religious attire, without a peep from anyone.

4. no one is forcing you to wear what you don't want to wear so mind your business.

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36. "Your sexual preference is geared towards being attracted "
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to men?

I just want to make sure I understand your title response. It’s not
an attack on your preference. I’m not sure if you’re speaking literally
or figuratively.

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48. "that's what you're focused on in my response? LOL"
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and not all in the ways in which YOU are minding someone else's (and all Black men's) business?

you need to know who I'm attracted to instead of examining your own insecurities and lack of imagination?

d


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50. "You responded to my post."
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So I read your comments, and I want to make sure I’m reading
your responses correctly. I believe in comprehending what I’m reading.

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28. "This post is all about you and your own insecurities..."
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..Men have worn dresses, kilts, & skirts throughout human history.

There is no grand conspiracy involving clothing.

Grow up.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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29. "Dave Chapelle wept"
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Russy and DWade are so desperate to be fashion icons...I literally wouldn't wear anything I've seen them in...and most of the time they look ridiculous

...but hey, that's their choice...

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33. "I present Dave Chapelle as Robin Quivers. Every star crossdresses"
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https://youtu.be/o-eyliNfF7I

  

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34. "The dress was probably the least cringey thing"
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about that video

Good lord, what the hell was THAT?!

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35. "Dudes lookin goofy af but I guess it pays"
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cause I cant see any other reason to wear some of that ugly shit they been stylin these last few years.

and I know this place is super “progressive” but FOH.

I know not one of these dudes in here are walking to the dress section looking for a
fly ass skirt to rock at the next event

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38. "Maybe not."
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Wed Sep-15-21 12:32 PM by Brew

          

>I know not one of these dudes in here are walking to the dress
>section looking for a
>fly ass skirt to rock at the next event

But we're also not so hopelessly conditioned and insecure that we're uncomfortable and intimidated by those who *are* doing that, or literally anything else they want to do or wear that doesn't impact us.

Lot of folks in here need to grow up.

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39. "i'm standing in this line."
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i'm never going to the women's section even if it's what everyone else is doing.

also not gonna be put off if i see a dude walking down the street in a bra and panties set.

i mean, it's some shit to see for sure, but it ain't no skin off my back. and it's only some shit to see because it goes against the norm......AND THAT'S THE POINT OF A LOT OF FASHION SHIT ANYWAY, LOL.

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45. "Agreed. If it ain't for me, nobody else should do it."
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>I know not one of these dudes in here are walking to the dress
>section looking for a
>fly ass skirt to rock at the next event

Exactly.

If I don't want to wear a dress, neither should he or any other man.

Because my tastes, preferences, likes, and interests should definitely be applied to those who are not me, because I am the barometer for what other people should and shouldn't do.

  

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83. "please show me where I said no man should ever wear a dress"
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I said it was goofy, trolling and a bad fashion choice..

but never did I say what you implied.

quote me or miss me with that shit

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85. "I didn't say you said that. "
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>I know not one of these dudes in here are walking to the dress
>section looking for a
>fly ass skirt to rock at the next event

The point of the sarcasm in response to the statement above is, what *I* would do is completely irrelevant.

Whether or not I'm interested in rocking any of that has nothing to do with anything. I don't have to want to wear a dress to not have an issue with another man being himself and wearing whatever the fuck he wants.

  

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86. "You let off a full clip...trying to send a message about tolerance"
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How that work?
I'm going to keep saying it until people change their behavior
There's about 30 posters on this entire board that reply regularly
and I ASSume we're all middle aged
insulting people is not the way to engage in a constructive conversation
do better.

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87. "1. You call that a full clip? 2. How did I "insult" him?"
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I pointed out the absurdity of his statement.

No more, no less.

Run along.

  

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88. "RE: reply 46"
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that's you.

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89. "1. Reply to that one next time. "
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2. "Say yes to the dress ass....SMH"

What's constructive about that?

I gave a perfectly reasonable response to that nonsense.

If you find it insulting to tell people with backward, myopic, antiquated views that they're backward, myopic, and antiquated, you have it backward.

If backward ass people don't want their backward views called out, they need to either keep their backward ass views to themselves, or change their backward ass views.

But it's by no means an "insult" to call that out for the spade it is.

Your little rant here is funny, considering you haven't said a word on the topic, as far as I can tell.

Either engage on the topic or run along.

  

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40. "Russ wore pants to brunch with Nas tho"
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https://youtu.be/NA1mbw0hVY4


  

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41. "Say yes to the dress ass niggas.. smh"
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42. "Weakminded possibly closeted ass losers .. smh"
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43. "you are so strong Brew.. so strong"
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44. "I know, I know."
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46. "Antiquated, myopic, backward, toxic, traditionalist, egomaniacal,"
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incapable of thinking beyond arbitrary societal standard, simplistic views of complex, nuanced human behavior having, white-knuckle grip on your ignorance and proud of it ass buffoon.

  

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47. "Are the drawls sewed in? "
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49. "you're spending ALOT of time focused on what's under that skirt..."
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like why?

its ok to like dick, no matter what gender you are. i promise. the weather is fine out here..you're amongst family.

d

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51. "No. I’m just wondering how the dress functions."
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Pants can be worn without drawls and there will still be some coverage to
keep the gonads in place, and some pants come with padded coverage.

You spoke about the genitals, not me.

I spoke about the FABRIC...

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53. "That's not what the OP was about"
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Your whole post was about a person with a penis, who is not you, wearing that fabric in a way that you don't like, but causes absolutely no harm to anyone.

You don't have to mention genitals for it to be crystal clear that this is entirely about genitals, specifically the fact that the Russ is wearing a garment that is, in America, traditionally worn by people with vaginas, not a penis.

Your entire post is about a person with a penis wearing a garment you think should only be worn by people with vaginas.

  

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55. "I was referring to the drawls comment that I made."
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Are they sewn in?

I was talking about the fabric.

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56. "WHo cares. Let's address the actual topic YOU posted. "
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a man with a penis wore a dress.

Since you completely dismissed kfine's perspective because she's a woman, I'm sure you'll have no issue discussing the meat of your own topic with a man.

So what's the issue with Russ's dress, exactly?

Can you articulate the real, tangible, actual problem?

Can you discuss the harm this is causing, and in what way it's causing harm?

  

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58. "You have a problem or issue with hijacking conversations. "
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I was in a conversation with the other poster in regards to my drawls comment.

And I already spoke on why it isn’t proper or functional attire for a male
human being. It doesn’t provide support for a man’s genitals, and it restricts
forward and backward motion because it is not aerodynamic, thus limiting
a man from properly exerting himself.

If you don’t own or wear one, then you can’t speak in defense of a man wearing
a dress. So don’t even try it, because it’s not part of your wardrobe, because you
no damn well a man shouldn’t wear a dress.

So whatever argument you present in support of a man wearing a dress is fruitless.

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60. "Wrong. You have a problem with understanding hoe message boards work."
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>And I already spoke on why it isn’t proper or functional
>attire for a male
>human being.

I'll rephrase; do you have an actual good argument?

Something rational or reasonable?

>It doesn’t provide support for a man’s
>genitals

What do you think underwear does?

and it restricts
>forward and backward motion because it is not aerodynamic,
>thus limiting
>a man from properly exerting himself.

Exerting himself in what way?

So i take it that you're equally deeply concerned with a woman's ability to exert herself in a dress as well?

>If you don’t own or wear one, then you can’t speak in
>defense of a man wearing
>a dress.

Yes, I can. In fact, I have. But I'll play. By this line of thinking, as a man who presumably also doesn't wear a dress, you can't speak against it

So don’t even try it, because it’s not part of
>your wardrobe,

It doesn't need to be in my wardrobe.

because you
>no damn well a man shouldn’t wear a dress.

No, I don't know that. In fact, I completely disagree with that.

You still haven't made a single reasonable argument for whys

>So whatever argument you present in support of a man wearing a
>dress is fruitless.

I don't need to argue to support it. YOU need to present a reasonable argument against it, which you have not done.

You made the claim. It's on you to support that claim with good evidence and sound reasoning.

At best, you've conveyed reasons why you wouldn't wear one, and are now projecting your personal reasons onto all men.

  

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57. "My biggest issue with this "
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Is the fit doesn’t say “tax the rich” so heads
could explode all over.

Add him getting vaxxed in the pic and I’d be good
for weeks.


The fuck you so worked up about another man’s
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65. "that's the thing it seems athletes fear doing that more than this..."
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>Add him getting vaxxed in the pic and I’d be good
>for weeks.

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72. "Russ took ankles out to a whole notha level.. lol"
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59. "I'll cop to being conditioned"
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i had a pretty wtf reaction when a friend showed me that pic the other day, but we mostly just kinda chuckled it off like we don't get this generation, and moved on.

it's nothing that necessarily upset me, or that i spent any time thinking about.
in some ways it just makes me feel like this guy:
https://i.redd.it/okxuev9c62t31.jpg

  

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62. "How many of y'all gonna be forced to PLEAT by this new skirt mandate?"
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63. "What they pleat don’t make me shit."
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64. "Cant knock the ruffles"
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66. "Russy dressed like taylor swift"
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/fashion/2020/07/27/Taylor1-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqe07ohIw_uRWHyZppLLOxIDXaG_3FkRG2WH2SGzlVXbs.jpg?imwidth=1200

LOL@fashion forward...okay doing the most.

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67. "Pleaters gonna pleat"
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70. "Pleats, rhymes and life"
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71. "Mo Skirts in the Wild"
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74. "...when I SKIRT...on combat boots..."
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75. "Who I skirt? WESTBROOK Who I skirt? SEAN CONNERY"
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Who I Skirt? JARED LETO

  

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76. "til' all PLEAT PLEAT PLEAT motherfoker"
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til' all PLEAT PLEAT PLEAT god damn

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77. "Till all these pleat males crawl n/m"
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78. "Westbrick go bang bang, boom boom, pop pop"
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69. "Where’s the gloves? n/m"
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68. "Skirt People hurt People"
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it's as simple as that

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84. "lol."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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73. "I hear you, allStah"
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Thu Sep-16-21 09:22 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

It's easy for folks to say "What's it to you?" when they are not a group of men who have been defined by this very country as "not men", feminine, thugs, predators, (pseudo)scientifically classified as rapists, raped by slavers etc etc.

These snarky replies, especially from white males in here, display either a lack of historical awareness or the much more common white lack of concern/ flat out denial of Black people's history (men specifically in this case). There shouldn't be one America on this board who can't at least understand where you're coming from, given America's historical track record with Black men, even if they disagree with you.

The truth is that the struggle to define ourselves as men in America is one that persists, whether it's flat out rebellion against traditional, white patriarchal ideas masculinity or trying to live within such rules without being KILLED for doing so.

I say that so say that while Russell's expression of his Black masculinity is valid, so is your Black critique and concern for the way Black masculinity has been and continues to be stifled, attacked, abused and coerced by white patriarchal forces.

In other words, I ain't mad at cha. You or him really. It's shit both of yall don't control that decides what's the dominant image of Black men. Someone pointed out the other day that the NBA went nuts when Iverson was rocking durags, braids and baggy clothes. They implemented a dress code and say 'NO SIR! This will not fly in our league.' Yet, they don't care if ya boy rocks a dress. So like I said, Black men don't really control their image... not in that space anyway.

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79. "thank you"
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I typed and deleted the irony of white males trying to shame Black men for questioning and celebrating this fashion choice.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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80. "Fair enough. Serious question here though."
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Thu Sep-16-21 11:34 AM by Brew

          

I'm sensitive to overstepping, so I want to be clear that I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested in your perspective and want to gain insight; I am not being snarky @ all ...

re: this:

"so is your Black critique and concern for the way Black masculinity has been and continues to be stifled, attacked, abused and coerced by white patriarchal forces."

Couldn't allStah's "critique and concern" possibly be perceived as him doing the white patriarchal forces' work that you mentioned for them, on some level ? In other words, he's trying to police what Russ is wearing, too, and trying to define what *he* thinks masculinity (and more specifically, Black masculinity) should be, not just for himself, but for someone else (and, based on his commentary throughout this post (i.e. "you know damn well a man shouldn't wear a dress), everyone else, not just Russ and not just Black men).

As far as I'm aware, Russ chose that outfit himself. He's always been outwardly expressive with his clothing choices, unique, different. He's setting the tone, not the other way around. So wouldn't allStah's critique be somewhat regressive, or do you think it could at least be reasonably viewed that way ?

I want to triple-clarify that I'm asking with genuine curiosity about your perspective, not trying to trap you or anyone at all. I just think that you have tapped into an interesting and important conversation about the overlapping of gender norms/expectations and racism in this country and want to flesh it out a little bit.

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81. "The OP is shaming Russ for controlling his own image. "
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That's what's actively happening right here, right now, in this room.

All the shame in here is being directed at Russ, for controlling his own image in a way that conflicts with what he and others in the room deem unacceptable to them.

And while I do understand the history you outlined, the fact is, this is not exclusive to Black men. Men, in America, on the whole, are routinely shamed for not adhering to traditional (ahem: white, colonial) standards of masculinity.

And on both accounts, Russ is being shamed, here in this room, right today, for not adhering to that.

THAT is what is being addressed.

And let's keep a hundred: The entire lane of the OP is shaming Russ for controlling his own image, because LStah doesn't like it, and because he thinks there's a separate agenda attached.

The OP implies that Russ, and other men who make similar fashion choices, aren't doing so as them simply looking the way they want to look, but are trying to cause others to "exist a certain way"- as though these choices are not and cannot be an expression of their true selves.

The entire post is based on one Black man shaming another Black man for adhering to his own preferences and choices.

But again: this is not at all exclusive to Black men. Not even close.

White men, Latino men, are also up in arms over this and any other supposedly feminine choices made by men in general.

The inescapable fact is that this is about men demanding adherence to outdated, narrow, and entirely arbitrary standards of gender norms from other men. And the OP absolutely shames Russ for failing to adhere to LStah's archaic, arbitrary standards of masculinity.

  

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82. "Man that's a kilt. "
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The cardigan with no shirt is a risk, but if you're an athlete it's a risk you can take. Kilt and brogue boots is a classic. If it weren't white he'd look like he was going for a rove in the highlands.

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90. "It's skinny jeans, saggin down to your ass, and wearing skirts and dress..."
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It a fully blown attack on black male normality.

  

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