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ThaTruth
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"Listening to some Fugees today, is Lauryn Hill the GOAT female rapper?"


          

I can’t front I had almost forgotten how dope lyrically she was.

Now she is mainly known for not showing up for performances and jokes but in her PRIME?

Who’s fucking with her?

  

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Yes.
Apr 25th 2020
1
She could do it all.
Apr 26th 2020
35
      All at a high level too.
Apr 27th 2020
53
Nobody('s fucking with her). Only argument against is lack of catalog.
Apr 25th 2020
2
She has half the catalog of Biggie.
Apr 25th 2020
4
Or NWA as a GOAT group despite having 2 albums and an EP
Apr 25th 2020
7
Groups are different. Groups have much smaller catalogs. 2-3 you can
Apr 25th 2020
10
Rapsody’s quietly got a hell of a body of work
Apr 26th 2020
21
she definitely gives off Lauryn vibes...
Apr 26th 2020
33
One of the worst things that hip hop has accepted...
Apr 28th 2020
68
'GOAT female rapper' will only age into a sillier argument w time. n/m
Apr 25th 2020
3
RE: Listening to some Fugees today, is Lauryn Hill the GOAT female rappe...
Apr 25th 2020
5
no to Roxanne Shante but yes to Lyte
Apr 25th 2020
13
her reign on the top was short like leprechauns
Apr 25th 2020
6
She and Jean Grae are my personal, top 2...
Apr 25th 2020
8
jean gets forgotten about
Apr 28th 2020
76
Maybe not GOAT but absolutely the best to ever do it
Apr 25th 2020
9
to me these are one and the same...
Apr 26th 2020
24
      They’re by no means the same
Apr 26th 2020
27
           Well everyone has their own definition of “GOAT” for some people...
Apr 26th 2020
38
                That’s the problem
Apr 27th 2020
54
                     its called a discussion lol...
Apr 30th 2020
93
No question
Apr 25th 2020
11
Weird, my wife just today asked me who I thought the best female rapper ...
Apr 25th 2020
12
Undisputedly.
Apr 25th 2020
14
I know her performance on "The Score" is like top 10-15 all time
Apr 26th 2020
15
She raps as much on Miseducation as Andre does on Aquemini
Apr 26th 2020
17
I'd put Bahamadia up there too..
Apr 27th 2020
50
      Bahamadia has a similar issue as Lauryn
Apr 27th 2020
52
My fav female performance
Apr 26th 2020
16
Yes.
Apr 26th 2020
18
yes.
Apr 26th 2020
19
Yes
Apr 26th 2020
20
If we’re going off highest peak - she’s absolutely the best
Apr 26th 2020
22
I mean she has more "damn, what she say? let me run that back" verses...
Apr 26th 2020
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RE: I mean she has more "damn, what she say? let me run that back" verse...
Apr 26th 2020
25
LOL...y’all some funny mafackas
Apr 26th 2020
28
Bro, my first cd I EVER bought...
Apr 26th 2020
29
RE: Bro, my first cd I EVER bought...
Apr 26th 2020
30
      i listened to them older latifah tracks you mentioned. they're very good...
Apr 26th 2020
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      Latifah isn’t nasty! Some of her best pure flowing, IMO...
Apr 26th 2020
32
           that should say she IS nasty, lol
Apr 26th 2020
34
           RE: Latifah isn’t nasty! Some of her best pure flowing, IMO...
Apr 26th 2020
40
                Trina can’t fuck with Lauryn
Apr 27th 2020
46
                     yea he's tripping. boxing biddies in, and shit.
Apr 27th 2020
51
                     RE: Trina can’t fuck with Lauryn
Apr 27th 2020
62
      You’re talking about random irrelevant shit as usual...
Apr 26th 2020
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           RE: You’re talking about random irrelevant shit as usual...
Apr 27th 2020
44
                I'm probably older than you and I hear all that bullshit you're talking....
Apr 27th 2020
48
I love All Hail but no.. just, no
Apr 26th 2020
37
this shows y'all don't listen to enough women rapping
Apr 28th 2020
80
Nappy Heads Remix through Miseducation
Apr 26th 2020
26
#facts...
Apr 26th 2020
41
      RE: #facts...
Apr 26th 2020
42
           Lmao at the history lesson
Apr 27th 2020
45
Yes and she’s better than most male rappers too
Apr 26th 2020
36
After listening to the Fugees, this is your conclusion??
Apr 27th 2020
43
bro... you already said this fam. Try a new angle.
Apr 27th 2020
47
L is better at rapping than all of them
Apr 27th 2020
55
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.You're leaning towards erasure here...
Apr 27th 2020
57
probably.. such a limited body of work though
Apr 27th 2020
49
"hit or miss hit or miss jus like ma clitoris" (c)
Apr 27th 2020
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RE: "hit or miss hit or miss jus like ma clitoris" (c)
Apr 27th 2020
59
      you knocking off points for ghosts writers?
Apr 27th 2020
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           Right. Furthermore, even if we take writing out of it - I'm sure most
Apr 27th 2020
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                Ghostwriting matters in lyrical debates regardless of sex tho right?
Apr 28th 2020
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                RE: Ghostwriting matters in lyrical debates regardless of sex tho right?
Apr 28th 2020
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                Lol.How surprising is it that Clef would take as much credit as possible
Apr 28th 2020
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                     RE: Lol.How surprising is it that Clef would take as much credit as poss...
Apr 28th 2020
75
                Definitely. To a degree tho. I guess that's what I'm trying to get at.
Apr 28th 2020
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                I should be clear that I agree with you...
Apr 28th 2020
71
                I know :) It's all good.
Apr 28th 2020
74
                I didn't mean to derail the convo.
Apr 28th 2020
78
No question. The highest high of all of em.
Apr 27th 2020
58
MC Lyte. Does Lauryn even have 12 solo rap songs?
Apr 27th 2020
60
I can respect the MC Lyte debate
Apr 28th 2020
69
Yep n/m
Apr 27th 2020
64
i blame that haitian and jaimaican dick...west indian phalluses
Apr 28th 2020
66
She’s a Mt. Rushmore MC period!!!!!!
Apr 28th 2020
67
I don't really do GOAT convos.
Apr 28th 2020
77
Jean Grae,Rapsody, Tierra Whack, Chika & Ill Camille would like a word.
Apr 28th 2020
79
most people who aren't on OKP have never heard of those people.
Apr 29th 2020
85
      Def not true for Rapsody.
Apr 29th 2020
87
      What’s her largest show as the headliner? Honestly asking because...
Apr 29th 2020
90
      that doesn't change the level of their skills tho
Apr 29th 2020
89
           We all can dig us some random dirty backpack mf’s that we stan for...
Apr 29th 2020
91
                regardless, she's not the GOAT. period.
Apr 30th 2020
94
Left Eye had some fantastic verses....maybe not GOAT level
Apr 28th 2020
81
bar for bar, sure. Latifah is greater overall (music, TV, film)
Apr 28th 2020
82
that's why i said "rapper"
Apr 29th 2020
84
lol
Apr 29th 2020
86
sister act, soap operas...
Apr 29th 2020
88
In terms of RAP ONLY, I like MC Lyte over Ms. Hill
Apr 29th 2020
83
Rapsody
Apr 29th 2020
92
while we're giving props to female rappers lets not front on Lil' Kim...
May 11th 2020
95
also not on GOAT level but I am a huge fan of Dej Loaf she brings it!
May 29th 2020
96

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1. "Yes."
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I'm not mad at anybody who thinks she's the GOAT period.
Her pen game was that sick.

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35. "She could do it all."
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It's a shame that we really only got the one album where she shared rapping duties. I'd kill for a late 90's solo Lauryn album where she spat the majority of the songs.

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53. "All at a high level too."
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>It's a shame that we really only got the one album where she
>shared rapping duties. I'd kill for a late 90's solo Lauryn
>album where she spat the majority of the songs.



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2. "Nobody('s fucking with her). Only argument against is lack of catalog."
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Sat Apr-25-20 02:34 PM by Oak27

          

It's Fugees stuff where she was 1/3rd and her solo album (while a classic) is half R&B. Even her most famous song with Fugees features no actual rapping.

But two things there:
1. This doesn't stop Biggie from being in the GOAT convo even though he has 2 albums (3 I guess if you count LAD as 2, but even then that album is not without filler, and I LOVE that album)
2. Who else is there? In recent years Rapsody is really making a strong push, her last two solos are my favorite albums by a female rapper not counting Miseducation.

But just focusing on bar-for-bar quality, Lauryn is in my top 10 (men or women) period.

  

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4. "She has half the catalog of Biggie. "
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I stand in your line. She could have been, but she just doesn't have the catalog in my mind.

The only other factor that saves here is that there isn't another woman that I think earns it (if you are not a Nicki fan).


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7. "Or NWA as a GOAT group despite having 2 albums and an EP"
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to their name.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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10. "Groups are different. Groups have much smaller catalogs. 2-3 you can "
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have GOAT convos for groups.

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21. "Rapsody’s quietly got a hell of a body of work"
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There’s a lot of projects there - and she always raps well, and she’s steadily gotten better. She puts in work.

  

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33. "she definitely gives off Lauryn vibes..."
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as far as MC.
I hate that I just discovered her
we need her on the field
I’m glad she went commercial




  

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68. "One of the worst things that hip hop has accepted..."
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is the number of records in a catalog as a determining factor into how great you were as an artist. Impact is far more important than making a ton of album when artists most times make a lot of misses.

Hendrix didn’t make that many albums and only had a 3 year run, but you don’t hear people kicking him out of best ever conversations because of it.

  

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3. "'GOAT female rapper' will only age into a sillier argument w time. n/m"
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5. "RE: Listening to some Fugees today, is Lauryn Hill the GOAT female rappe..."
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Hell and No.

Prime Roxanne Shante, Prime Lyte and Queen Latifah would murk...seriously. Hill is top five, though.



  

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13. "no to Roxanne Shante but yes to Lyte "
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and Latifah just dropped a couple of hot verses this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skZrdC_fh50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqPC5UC58EM


>Hell and No.
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>Prime Roxanne Shante, Prime Lyte and Queen Latifah would
>murk...seriously. Hill is top five, though.
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6. "her reign on the top was short like leprechauns"
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8. "She and Jean Grae are my personal, top 2..."
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she bodied The Score.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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76. "jean gets forgotten about"
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but id take her over lauryn line for line when they were both in their primes
truth is jean could still be in her prime but shes been into a lot of other stuff besides rapping for a while now

  

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9. "Maybe not GOAT but absolutely the best to ever do it"
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Period

  

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24. "to me these are one and the same..."
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>Period

  

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27. "They’re by no means the same"
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Jay-Z may be the GOAT but he is not the best MC to ever pick up the mic.

He himself would tell you that he’s not technically the best MC ever.

Greatest takes into account the success, popularity, longevity and other things that aren’t directly related to your actual talent.

  

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38. "Well everyone has their own definition of “GOAT” for some people..."
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it’s Jay Z for some people it’s not

  

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54. "That’s the problem "
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There can’t be different definitions.

Different opinions, yes, but we have to at least start from the same understanding in order to have honest discussions about it.

And I’m not saying Jay is the GOAT just a very likely candidate.

  

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93. "its called a discussion lol..."
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>There can’t be different definitions.
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>Different opinions, yes, but we have to at least start from
>the same understanding in order to have honest discussions
>about it.
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>And I’m not saying Jay is the GOAT just a very likely
>candidate.

the "GOAT" whether you're talking about music, sports, comedy, etc. is in itself a mythical title that is totally defined by people's opinions.

Jay is not in everyone's top 5. Lebron is not in everyone's top 5.

  

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11. "No question"
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12. "Weird, my wife just today asked me who I thought the best female rapper ..."
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I wasn't able to come up with a definitive answer but those mentioned were Lauryn, Queen Latifah, Jean Grae, MC Lyte, and Lady of Rage.

I think in terms of pure talent it's almost impossible to say. And I'm almost definitely forgetting some.

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14. "Undisputedly. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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15. "I know her performance on "The Score" is like top 10-15 all time"
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For any MC.

As for GOAT female rapper? Eh, I'm not sure she has the body of work.

Two Fugees albums (one with the all-time great performance), the remixes, and then... How much does she really rap on "Miseducation"? She has a handful of legit great guest verses, and... that's it. Really wished she'd rapped more over her career.

As for who I'd put ahead of her, I'd say MC Lyte. And even though she seems to hate when people call her a female rapper, Jean Grae.

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17. "She raps as much on Miseducation as Andre does on Aquemini"
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That shit is crazy to me.

Because we look at Andre on Aquemini as a top tier MC performance over the course of an album but we look at Miseducation as an R&B album in which Lauryn doesn’t really rap.

  

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50. "I'd put Bahamadia up there too.."
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52. "Bahamadia has a similar issue as Lauryn"
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One great album, one solid EP, and an alubm I've never heard (it appears to be an Australia only release).

She has more guest appearances than Lauryn, many of which are extremely dope: "Proceed III" and "Put Up Ya Lighter," "Da Ladies" (along with Lauryn), "Respect the Architect," "Breathe," etc. But it's another case when I'm not sure that she has the catalogue to be really considered the best.

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16. "My fav female performance"
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Marvaless from Sacramento

https://youtu.be/DvJHmsieQsg

  

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19. "yes."
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20. "Yes"
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22. "If we’re going off highest peak - she’s absolutely the best "
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Lauryn at her best was both the best and the biggest. Nobody else did what she did.

  

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23. "I mean she has more "damn, what she say? let me run that back" verses..."
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that any other female rapper by far.

Her relatively small catalog based on this cements her status further IMO.

  

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25. "RE: I mean she has more "damn, what she say? let me run that back" verse..."
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Wrath of my madness
Princess of the posse
Latifah’s law
Queen of royal badness

Would stomp any record that hill tries to come with.....the flow alone would lead to KO

Lyte throws on paper thin , just one record would and end any battle.

Hill is slightly overrated and live shows are below par. ...matter of fact most don’t think of hill when it comes to mcing ....I don’t. Like female master of ceremonies? Nope.

  

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28. "LOL...y’all some funny mafackas "
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>Wrath of my madness
>Princess of the posse
>Latifah’s law
>Queen of royal badness
>
>Would stomp any record that hill tries to come with.....the
>flow alone would lead to KO
>
>Lyte throws on paper thin , just one record would and end any
>battle.
>
>Hill is slightly overrated and live shows are below par.
>...matter of fact most don’t think of hill when it comes to
>mcing ....I don’t. Like female master of ceremonies? Nope.
>

  

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29. "Bro, my first cd I EVER bought..."
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was All Hail the Queen. I absolutely STAN Dana Elaine Owens...completely understand if you like her or Lyte better. You took it so to the extreme, though, lol...it’s hard to even have an honest discussion, after that.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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30. "RE: Bro, my first cd I EVER bought..."
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Ain’t no one thinking about Hill.

Late to shows, lazy performance, didn’t take her craft seriously. Never did appreciate her fans and and difficult. to work with.

And that female Jamaican style rap form and chorus all started with latifah and 45 kings

And latifah is a great jazz singer! Better than Hill at that too...acting as well.

Not saying she wasn’t a good artist and writer, but just a one hitter. Had the skills and ability to be much more. I just don’t believing in crowing artist who underachieved, and who had a couple of good records.

She just isnt on the same level as lyte and latifah as a MC. Cats really need to study hip hop.

  

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31. "i listened to them older latifah tracks you mentioned. they're very good..."
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but lauryn wins with miseducation alone, im so sorry.

  

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32. "Latifah isn’t nasty! Some of her best pure flowing, IMO..."
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is on All Hail... Dude is not wrong. Just the line that most don’t even think of LH as an emcee is so ridiculous, it’s hard to even go any further.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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34. "that should say she IS nasty, lol"
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40. "RE: Latifah isn’t nasty! Some of her best pure flowing, IMO..."
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It's not a diss to say that lauryn is not a MC. A lot of true hip hop heads feel that way, and when I mean true, cats who grew up on it in the golden era. ..84-90

A lot of her Peers feel that way as well. Here is Trina and why she does not consider Lauryn an MC. She sees it as a fusion like hip hop soul music or poetry meeting music. I feel the same way. It's not a diss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxBhMHFbO24&t=334s


I grew up off true MCING....so my ear is different. And lauryn is good soul artist who can rhyme. But I don't consider her an MC

  

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46. "Trina can’t fuck with Lauryn"
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You’re in your feels because Lauryn can also sing...

but that’s not her fault. When she rapped no one was touching her on the mic.

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51. "yea he's tripping. boxing biddies in, and shit."
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62. "RE: Trina can’t fuck with Lauryn"
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Yes, I am in my feelings, Legs...

  

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39. "You’re talking about random irrelevant shit as usual..."
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>Ain’t no one thinking about Hill.
>
>Late to shows, lazy performance, didn’t take her craft
>seriously. Never did appreciate her fans and and difficult.
>to work with.
>
>And that female Jamaican style rap form and chorus all
>started with latifah and 45 kings
>
>And latifah is a great jazz singer! Better than Hill at that
>too...acting as well.
>
>Not saying she wasn’t a good artist and writer, but just a
>one hitter. Had the skills and ability to be much more. I
>just don’t believing in crowing artist who underachieved,
>and who had a couple of good records.
>
>She just isnt on the same level as lyte and latifah as a MC.
>Cats really need to study hip hop.

  

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44. "RE: You’re talking about random irrelevant shit as usual..."
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all that shit is relevant....You just don't know the history of it.


You heard one hip hop soul album and said someone is the goat....think about that. How many female Mcs have you listened to in your lifetime?

Not very many based on your conclusion.

Music Library assignment: Start in 1984, and listen all the way up until about 1995. I imagine you have knowledge regarding stuff after that...hopefully.




  

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48. "I'm probably older than you and I hear all that bullshit you're talking...."
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>all that shit is relevant....You just don't know the history
>of it.
>
>
>You heard one hip hop soul album and said someone is the
>goat....think about that. How many female Mcs have you
>listened to in your lifetime?
>
>Not very many based on your conclusion.
>
>Music Library assignment: Start in 1984, and listen all the
>way up until about 1995. I imagine you have knowledge
>regarding stuff after that...hopefully.

I've heard everybody and I've listened to both Fugees albums and Lauryn's solo album and in my opinion no other female rapper is fucking with her lyrically.

  

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37. "I love All Hail but no.. just, no"
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****************
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80. "this shows y'all don't listen to enough women rapping"
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smh

  

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26. "Nappy Heads Remix through Miseducation"
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She could go toe to toe with anyone. ANYONE! Male emcees included.

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41. "#facts..."
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>She could go toe to toe with anyone. ANYONE! Male emcees
>included.

  

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42. "RE: #facts..."
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name me one rap battle that she was in? name me crews that she battled. answer records that she made?

None. Zero.

Roxanne Shante is from Queens! She was part of the legendary Juice Crew, and was the first female MC to battle male crews and male mcs!...The roxanne shante wars were answer records, where cats battled each other record for record.

Lauryn was never in any street hardcore rap battles. She started off as a singer, and learned to rhyme later after hooking up with Wyclef and Pras. And they wrote her rhymes and taught her how to rhyme. ...She didn't come from the streets of battle rhyming.

And she does not have the records, nor singles, nor guest appearances, etc.


Yall niggas are really scaring me ......your lack of mcing and rhyming knowledge is lackinnnnnng.


  

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45. "Lmao at the history lesson"
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36. "Yes and she’s better than most male rappers too"
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>I can’t front I had almost forgotten how dope lyrically she
>was.
>
>Now she is mainly known for not showing up for performances
>and jokes but in her PRIME?
>
>Who’s fucking with her?


Peace,

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43. "After listening to the Fugees, this is your conclusion??"
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How far does your hip hop knowledge go? Because based off what you just said, not very far.

So let me educate. Because you're throwing GOAT on a name that does not deserve it.

Roxanne Shante:

Birth: Queens
Crew : Legendary Juice Crew

Legend: At the age of 14, She hooks up with the Marley Marl and Dj Mister Magic to make the legendary record Roxanne Revenge to get back at UTFO because they had reneged on a Hip Hop show. This was in the streets of Queens. That had never ever been done before by a female MC, and it happened in 1984. The record sold 250,000 records in New York alone. That's like selling 2.5 million in this day and age, and again she was 14. She was basically the creator of answer records, because they really jumped off after that.

And from that point on she did shows, made records,was part of the Bridge Wars with her record "have a nice day".

This is the woman who created the image and concept of the ill spitting female MC...She came before them all. And again, she was in a crew with Bizmarkie, Big Daddy Kane, Master Ace, Craig G, Kool G Rap, Marley Marl, Mc Shan.

But Lauryn makes a couple of rappity raps, never been in any battles, no answer records, etc, but she's GOAT?....Shante is the mother to her style and existence.




Mc Lyte

Birth: Brooklyn
Crew: Down with Audio Two

She started Mcing at the age of 12. Recorded her first tract at the age of 14. Created one of the illest dis songs with 10% Dis, a record that was dissing Antionette. Her discography goes 7 albums deep, and was the dopest female mc during the golden era, rocking shows and touring like crazy. To me she is the greatest female MC to walk the earth.She existed during an era where damn near every MC was ill. And not only is she listed as the greatest female mc, but she is also on the list of greatest Mcs in general.

But lauryn hill makes a couple of rappity raps, and according to you, that makes here GOAT over MC lyte? Where are lauryn battle records or albums? The legendary shows? The crews? A couple of Fugee albums and one solo HIP HOP SOUL album, and she's the goat?






Queen Latifah

Birth: Jersey

Crew: Flavor Unit/native tongue

Started off beat boxing.

She was put on by Fab 5 Freddy and Dante Ross after they heard her Demo. Changed the whole female rap game with her Jah/street mc flow, and by creating lyrics and songs that focused on the empowerment of women. Had some of the illest guest appearances as a female MC, and unlike mc lyte and shante, she is a fantastic singer ( jazz) and meaningful female actor. Here Hip hop discograpy runs 5 albums deep

The rhyme for rhyme, jamaican chant flow on choruses influenced Hill's chant style.




Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is a great album, but it is more of a Hip Hop soul album. She is basically a female version of WyClef, and that's not a diss. I like her music and I like her sound. And for the record she started off singing, Wyclef and Pras taught her how to rap and wrote her rhymes.



"Soon I was rhyming lines to her that she would memorize on the spot and spit back at me better than I had expected. I was her mentor, and I wrote rhymes for her starting then and for a while to come. I taught her all about rhyming, showing her the swag and style, just the way Chill Rob G had shown me years before. It didn’t take Lauryn long to make her style her own, though. She’s a very gifted woman."






But the title Female MC? Like Mic Controller? Battling? Diss records?
That's not her category. She doesn't have the history like the 3 illest females of all time. Please stop throwing the GOAT title around likes its a Frisbee
















  

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47. "bro... you already said this fam. Try a new angle. "
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55. "L is better at rapping than all of them"
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Just is.

Sorry.

  

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57. "Everyone's entitled to their opinion.You're leaning towards erasure here..."
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tho

lol

  

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56. ""hit or miss hit or miss jus like ma clitoris" (c) "
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this post needs some receipts dammit lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMovTBK8M5w

  

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59. "RE: "hit or miss hit or miss jus like ma clitoris" (c) "
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Yeah mad receipts

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61. "you knocking off points for ghosts writers?"
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not sure about this particular song, but kane was writing some of her stuff.

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63. "Right. Furthermore, even if we take writing out of it - I'm sure most "
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folks would listen to RS rhyme in the clip he just linked and LH rhyme in the clip I linked and give the edge to Lauryn on flow and word play. Her delivery's just a lot more dynamic to one's ears.

Personally, I don't really care about all that who wrote for who crap anyway. So many artists male and female collaborate that way (eg. in that Still DRE v. BTAU post folks talked about Jay writing Dre's verses like its no big deal), but *only* with female artists is it used to discredit their entire existence. It's annoying.

Always some unsubstantiated decades old rumor like something something Big wrote all Kim's shit something somethin Jay wrote all Foxy's shit something someting Wyclef wrote all Lauryn's shit. It's like the baseline assumption is supposed to be women are fundamentally incapable of writing and delivering dope rhymes.

I think it's safe to say the game just is what it is and all but the very few get put on/assisted by somebody at some point.

  

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65. "Ghostwriting matters in lyrical debates regardless of sex tho right?"
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>(eg. in that Still DRE v. BTAU post folks talked
>about Jay writing Dre's verses like its no big deal), but
>*only* with female artists is it used to discredit their
>entire existence. It's annoying.



The Still Dre vs BTAU post wasn't about who was the better lyricist. It was solely about what was the more legendary club song overall. Absolutely nobody puts Dre in the best lyricist conversation, precisely *because* we all know he didn't write his own rhymes, so that applies to men as much as to women. Same goes for Puff. Biz Markie's "Goin Off" and "Vapors" are a testament to Kane's lyrical greatness and Markie's personality & delivery. Only recently have I seen someone like Drake get a pass, but I guess that's sign of changing times... and the fact that some claim it's just chorus help, and this generation don't really care about lyrics in general, etc.



>Always some unsubstantiated decades old rumor like something
>something Big wrote all Kim's shit something somethin Jay
>wrote all Foxy's shit something someting Wyclef wrote all
>Lauryn's shit. It's like the baseline assumption is supposed
>to be women are fundamentally incapable of writing and
>delivering dope rhymes.


Anybody saying Wyclef wrote Lauryn's rhymes is on some pure misogyny lol. Wyclef was never half as dope as Lauryn on his own OR in the group w/ her. "If you read the the magazines it says the girl shoulda went solo." Andre 3k used to write Big Boi's raps in Outkast's early days and you can tell. He's also widely considered a better rapper than Big Boi. I'd sooner believe Lauryn wrote Clef's rhymes than the other way around. I never heard anybody say this, but maybe it's because ppl know how I'd react lol. If this is a popular opinion, then it at least proves a point of people discrediting female emcees.


>I think it's safe to say the game just is what it is and all
>but the very few get put on/assisted by somebody at some
>point.


Maybe. I don't wanna discredit anyone who actually has written all their own rhymes tho.


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70. "RE: Ghostwriting matters in lyrical debates regardless of sex tho right?"
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But he did write her rhymes, coached her, and gave her the style that she illustrated. It’s all in his book, and he breaks it down. Pras assisted as well. Those are just facts.

I’m not voting against her just because of that. Shante, Latifah and Lyte all had
writers on certain songs.. They are just the way better performers and MCs in my book, with bigger catalogs and bodies of works as MCs.

The title GOAT entails so many different elements and requirements, and it’s shocking when the title gets thrown around so loosely, especially in this day and age. This is why the only opinion that matters are the legendary artists of hip hop. Your favorite MC does not equal GOAT.

It’s like in sports, fans don’t get to vote on MVP, etc, only the associated press and coaches are allowed. If it were up to fans, they would be voting based on popularity, etc.

  

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73. "Lol.How surprising is it that Clef would take as much credit as possible"
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for Lauryn's talent and success tho?? PLUS she's his ex. There's obviously some psychology behind his claim whether it's true or not. And that's *years* after the fact; imagine how fucked up the vibes must have been before she left the group.

Clef is the main promoter of that account of events.

edit: And it's possible things played out differently. But my overall point is even if he did help her out as she learned to rap, who cares? This happens all the time. It's not disqualifying imho, but we can agree to disagree.


>But he did write her rhymes, coached her, and gave her the
>style that she illustrated. It’s all in his book, and he
>breaks it down. Pras assisted as well. Those are just facts.
>

  

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75. "RE: Lol.How surprising is it that Clef would take as much credit as poss..."
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It is a my word against your word account in regards to his book. You do have a point.

and we agree to disagree on the goat argument.


  

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kfine
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72. "Definitely. To a degree tho. I guess that's what I'm trying to get at. "
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Like I can see bonus points and/or docking points, that's fair. If someone has only ever written their own shit that's ultimately the point and they should get all deserved props. But to go as far as saying somebody doesn't even qualify as an MC bc someone helped them with some verses at some point? That's taking it too far imho. In part bc of how common it is.


>>(eg. in that Still DRE v. BTAU post folks talked
>>about Jay writing Dre's verses like its no big deal), but
>>*only* with female artists is it used to discredit their
>>entire existence. It's annoying.
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>The Still Dre vs BTAU post wasn't about who was the better
>lyricist. It was solely about what was the more legendary club
>song overall. Absolutely nobody puts Dre in the best lyricist
>conversation, precisely *because* we all know he didn't write
>his own rhymes, so that applies to men as much as to women.
>Same goes for Puff. Biz Markie's "Goin Off" and "Vapors" are a
>testament to Kane's lyrical greatness and Markie's personality
>& delivery. Only recently have I seen someone like Drake get a
>pass, but I guess that's sign of changing times... and the
>fact that some claim it's just chorus help, and this
>generation don't really care about lyrics in general, etc.
>
>

Ya I hear you. I just brought it up bc it was the most recent post I could remember in which ghostwriting came up. But my ultimate point was just to say that the practice (or rumor of at one point participating in the practice) seems to hurt female artists a lot more than male artists.


>Anybody saying Wyclef wrote Lauryn's rhymes is on some pure
>misogyny lol. Wyclef was never half as dope as Lauryn on his
>own OR in the group w/ her. "If you read the the magazines it
>says the girl shoulda went solo." Andre 3k used to write Big
>Boi's raps in Outkast's early days and you can tell. He's also
>widely considered a better rapper than Big Boi. I'd sooner
>believe Lauryn wrote Clef's rhymes than the other way around.
>I never heard anybody say this, but maybe it's because ppl
>know how I'd react lol. If this is a popular opinion, then it
>at least proves a point of people discrediting female emcees.
>
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>>I think it's safe to say the game just is what it is and all
>>but the very few get put on/assisted by somebody at some
>>point.
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>Maybe. I don't wanna discredit anyone who actually has written
>all their own rhymes tho.
>

Right. On this I can agree 100%.

  

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71. "I should be clear that I agree with you..."
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People do discredit and overlook female emcees way too much. The rumor that biggie wrote for Kim is good proof of that as well.

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kfine
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74. "I know :) It's all good."
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78. "I didn't mean to derail the convo."
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I only brought up the writing because he mentioned it earlier, #42, while discrediting LH. so if he's going to discount her, then she should equally discount RS for the same thing.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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58. "No question. The highest high of all of em. "
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60. "MC Lyte. Does Lauryn even have 12 solo rap songs?"
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>I can’t front I had almost forgotten how dope lyrically she
>was.
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>Now she is mainly known for not showing up for performances
>and jokes but in her PRIME?
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>Who’s fucking with her?

Lauryn also doesn't have a "Cha Cha Cha"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2_y5ECaQUc

It's a tough choice because Lauryn had a crazy prime. But I've been rocking with Lyte since i heard "Cram To Understand U" on Red Alert, that's my pick.

  

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69. "I can respect the MC Lyte debate"
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She was dope and really had some incredible songs.

Lyte As A Rock is my shit.

but I still think Lauryn is a better rapper when it comes to delivery and lyrical dexterity.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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64. "Yep n/m"
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peace

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66. "i blame that haitian and jaimaican dick...west indian phalluses "
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are potent.

i hate when great women fall in love and lose themselves

take a message

  

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67. "She’s a Mt. Rushmore MC period!!!!!!"
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77. "I don't really do GOAT convos."
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everyone has their own criteria.

with that said, I view LH like I view Terrell Davis. great at what they did, but too short of a resume to be considered the best to ever do it.

when she's spitting, she's hard to top.

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79. "Jean Grae,Rapsody, Tierra Whack, Chika & Ill Camille would like a word."
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85. "most people who aren't on OKP have never heard of those people."
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87. "Def not true for Rapsody."
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She's featured on what was arguably the greatest hip hop album of the decade (TPAB - and might be the only rap/verse feature if IIRC), and that's something considered by the wide general public, hardly an OKP/underground belief.

  

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90. "What’s her largest show as the headliner? Honestly asking because..."
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I have no idea

  

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89. "that doesn't change the level of their skills tho"
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this post was asking if anyone could top Lauryn

i say any one of them can.

Jean Grae alone has a body of work that puts Lauryn to shame. she also raps circles around anything LBoogie has done on her latest album 'Everything is Fine"

  

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91. "We all can dig us some random dirty backpack mf’s that we stan for..."
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I’m talking about mainstream artists

  

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94. "regardless, she's not the GOAT. period."
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81. "Left Eye had some fantastic verses....maybe not GOAT level"
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I don't listen to a lot of female rappers and I'm biased to Latifah just being a GODDESS.

I can't say the last time I listened to Miseducation just because...

  

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82. "bar for bar, sure. Latifah is greater overall (music, TV, film)"
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84. "that's why i said "rapper""
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86. "lol"
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88. "sister act, soap operas..."
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Lauryn done that.

preference tho...

  

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83. "In terms of RAP ONLY, I like MC Lyte over Ms. Hill"
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Lyte got some joints.

  

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92. "Rapsody"
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Rapsody is the GOAT of the MCs with ovaries.

  

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ThaTruth
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95. "while we're giving props to female rappers lets not front on Lil' Kim..."
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she had some dope as verses back in the day now there may be some debate as to who wrote it but her DELIVERY was on a different level!

  

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96. "also not on GOAT level but I am a huge fan of Dej Loaf she brings it!"
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