Like I can see bonus points and/or docking points, that's fair. If someone has only ever written their own shit that's ultimately the point and they should get all deserved props. But to go as far as saying somebody doesn't even qualify as an MC bc someone helped them with some verses at some point? That's taking it too far imho. In part bc of how common it is.


>>(eg. in that Still DRE v. BTAU post folks talked
>>about Jay writing Dre's verses like its no big deal), but
>>*only* with female artists is it used to discredit their
>>entire existence. It's annoying.
>
>

>The Still Dre vs BTAU post wasn't about who was the better
>lyricist. It was solely about what was the more legendary club
>song overall. Absolutely nobody puts Dre in the best lyricist
>conversation, precisely *because* we all know he didn't write
>his own rhymes, so that applies to men as much as to women.
>Same goes for Puff. Biz Markie's "Goin Off" and "Vapors" are a
>testament to Kane's lyrical greatness and Markie's personality
>& delivery. Only recently have I seen someone like Drake get a
>pass, but I guess that's sign of changing times... and the
>fact that some claim it's just chorus help, and this
>generation don't really care about lyrics in general, etc.
>
>

Ya I hear you. I just brought it up bc it was the most recent post I could remember in which ghostwriting came up. But my ultimate point was just to say that the practice (or rumor of at one point participating in the practice) seems to hurt female artists a lot more than male artists.


>Anybody saying Wyclef wrote Lauryn's rhymes is on some pure
>misogyny lol. Wyclef was never half as dope as Lauryn on his
>own OR in the group w/ her. "If you read the the magazines it
>says the girl shoulda went solo." Andre 3k used to write Big
>Boi's raps in Outkast's early days and you can tell. He's also
>widely considered a better rapper than Big Boi. I'd sooner
>believe Lauryn wrote Clef's rhymes than the other way around.
>I never heard anybody say this, but maybe it's because ppl
>know how I'd react lol. If this is a popular opinion, then it
>at least proves a point of people discrediting female emcees.
>
>
>>I think it's safe to say the game just is what it is and all
>>but the very few get put on/assisted by somebody at some
>>point.
>
>
>Maybe. I don't wanna discredit anyone who actually has written
>all their own rhymes tho.
>

Right. On this I can agree 100%.