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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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"Election implications of COVID-19"


  

          

Didn't want to clutter the other post with election prognostication. But I think it's something worth talking about.

For the 2020 race, I think this could turn out to be a major benefit for Trump. He's up there at a podium everyday, all eyes on him, looking "presidential". No matter whether you personally think he's doing a good job or not, he's got one hour each day on camera appearing to lead a team of experts, answering questions, taking drastic actions, etc.

He's campaigning through this crisis. Probably campaigning more effectively than his traditional rally style campaign.
He's not picking up new support at rallies. But he could gain new support through this.


Biden, on the other hand, is stuck at home. He can't go out and campaign. He's gonna have to do a virtual campaign with his bootleg camera.
He can't really directly criticise Trump because of the circumstances. It could be bad optics to bad talk the prez in the middle of a crisis.


For data (just one poll):
Trump's approval regarding Corona virus went from 43% approve/54% disapprove last week to 55% approve/44% disapprove this week.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570

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meanwhile bernie immediate raises millions for covid-19 relief efforts
Mar 21st 2020
1
I wonder if his naysayers realize
Mar 21st 2020
2
surviving this in the most optimistic forecast benefits Trump
Mar 21st 2020
3
I really feel for the downballot races
Mar 21st 2020
4
True. Lot of incumbents are being protected
Mar 21st 2020
5
Looking presidential ? To who ?!?
Mar 21st 2020
6
Yeah, saying he looks "presidential" is an... interesting interpretation
Mar 21st 2020
7
This is the main part
Mar 22nd 2020
12
      maybe it's timing but this is all i've seen the last 2 days
Mar 22nd 2020
17
      I know folks don't want to praise anything about him
Mar 22nd 2020
44
He must be talking about Dana Bash lol
Mar 22nd 2020
10
Yeah, I had this assumption that this is all bad for Trump but....
Mar 22nd 2020
8
He’s the president... but the last thing he looks is presidential
Mar 22nd 2020
9
Yeah, this is politically catastrophic.
Mar 22nd 2020
11
Yeah no matter what the status is on November...
Mar 22nd 2020
13
On the other hand,
Mar 22nd 2020
15
Yup
Mar 22nd 2020
14
The split is wild tho.
Mar 22nd 2020
he looked "presidential" for 2 days, now he's back to being bratty child
Mar 22nd 2020
16
Biden's glaring absence right now is not a good look
Mar 22nd 2020
18
fam biden is already doing presidential shit.
Mar 22nd 2020
19
To the public it looks like he's gone missing, which is what
Mar 22nd 2020
23
false.
Mar 22nd 2020
25
When you have some free time, search Biden, missing, hiding
Mar 22nd 2020
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      LOL. Ladies and gentlemen-- LOGIC!
Mar 22nd 2020
36
      on twitter? lol.
Mar 22nd 2020
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      Oh, ok.
Mar 22nd 2020
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      lol dude
Mar 22nd 2020
42
To the public that's the story for every politician, though,
Mar 22nd 2020
26
^ Paid off by Big PPE.
Mar 22nd 2020
30
lol you know its coming.
Mar 22nd 2020
32
c'mon fam - let's use some context here. This is Joe Biden
Mar 22nd 2020
45
Lol so what Biden's got to do...
Mar 22nd 2020
46
apparently nothing
Mar 22nd 2020
49
well cuomo is actually leading because hes an elected official.
Mar 22nd 2020
51
      Oh ok so you at least admit that Biden hasn't done anything
Mar 23rd 2020
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           oh ok we are already at the part where you conveniently ignore
Mar 23rd 2020
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                Noted. You think Biden is doing an amazing job.
Mar 23rd 2020
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                     ah the stock face saving reply.
Mar 23rd 2020
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that's not his job. His job is to beat Trump.
Mar 23rd 2020
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      technically his job is to beat bernie
Mar 23rd 2020
58
           tf? his job is to beat bernie? lol
Mar 23rd 2020
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                you ok fam? you do know how primaries work right?
Mar 23rd 2020
61
                     the entire Biden campaign message has been: Joe beats Trump
Mar 23rd 2020
65
                          ok then why isnt bernie letting biden do his job?
Mar 23rd 2020
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                               Bernie is done. It's just math at this point. He got creamed.
Mar 24th 2020
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                                    have you seen biden's latest interviews? he can't stop blinking
Mar 25th 2020
96
this seems to be the new talking point for bernie supporters
Mar 23rd 2020
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      notice none of them reply to bernie skipping senate votes
Mar 23rd 2020
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           because it's disingenuous bootlicking bullshit.
Mar 23rd 2020
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           is bernie a senator or not? what's disingenouous
Mar 23rd 2020
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           your excuse is disingenuous bootlicking bullshit.
Mar 23rd 2020
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           If only Bernie was acting and getting things done like Joe
Mar 24th 2020
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                sweet dunk on all the joe biden fanboys
Mar 24th 2020
93
           now that bernie's involved is it still bootlicking to think he should be
Mar 26th 2020
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                the relevant part is the number of votes
Mar 26th 2020
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every prez/gov tends to get a bump in a crisis.
Mar 22nd 2020
20
Rand Paul has it.
Mar 22nd 2020
21
they might just shut down congress like bibi did in israel.
Mar 22nd 2020
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This is the scariest shit.
Mar 22nd 2020
29
orban in hungary is using the crisis to become full on dictator.
Mar 22nd 2020
41
doj seeks power to detain people indefinitely without trial.
Mar 22nd 2020
43
btw he was the sole no vote on the last coronavirus spending bill.
Mar 22nd 2020
27
And, oh shit, Angela Merkel is going into quarantine.
Mar 22nd 2020
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Oh shit, yeah, they've been working together ALL WEEKEND.
Mar 22nd 2020
40
trump sent a letter to kim jong un offering help with the coronavirus.
Mar 22nd 2020
22
I was a Cuomo skeptic at the start of the primary campaign.
Mar 22nd 2020
28
i like how he speaks in plain relatable terms too.
Mar 22nd 2020
31
He learned well from his dad.
Mar 22nd 2020
33
      dems need to streamline/replicate stuff from people
Mar 22nd 2020
39
Same. Proud of him as a New Yorker.
Mar 22nd 2020
47
RIGHT. he's playing a very very good game.
Mar 23rd 2020
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If Trump loses the general, he'll claim nCov19 invalidates the election.
Mar 22nd 2020
48
*all* senate dems voted against gop cloture. except bernie.
Mar 22nd 2020
50
and Elizabeth Warren.
Mar 23rd 2020
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      nah thats the vote from march 5th.
Mar 23rd 2020
83
2020 feels like some Years and Years script.
Mar 23rd 2020
52
RE: Election implications of COVID-19
Mar 23rd 2020
54
Biden on Live right now
Mar 23rd 2020
56
5 min talk is very interesting contrast w/ bernie's collaborative panel
Mar 23rd 2020
72
      nah fam Bernie & AOC are beefing right now and hate each other
Mar 24th 2020
90
'the cure cant be worse than the disease'.
Mar 23rd 2020
64
here it is in direct terms:
Mar 23rd 2020
75
      Holy shit.
Mar 23rd 2020
87
big dick pelosi using stimulus as leverage for voting rights.
Mar 23rd 2020
69
aint no way i'm finna vote for this
Mar 23rd 2020
70
Then you're voting for this.
Mar 23rd 2020
71
      anyone still sitting out after 2016 + last 4 yrs is a trump supporter.
Mar 23rd 2020
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           POINT BLANK. PERIOD!
Mar 25th 2020
100
Thousands are going to die because fucknuts is worried about his...
Mar 23rd 2020
73
What happened? He's making it a point to avoid saying "Chinese virus"
Mar 23rd 2020
76
a rogue's gallery of dumbasses among us
Mar 23rd 2020
78
meanwhile, the only arguments the sanders campaign can come up with
Mar 23rd 2020
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      *cough*shuffle*shuffle some more*
Mar 23rd 2020
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      moot point because corp media refuses to acknowledge
Mar 26th 2020
112
that other post too long...
Mar 23rd 2020
84
Social distancing is too avoid overwhelming the health system
Mar 23rd 2020
86
      Correct. Re: not understanding the virus at all ..
Mar 23rd 2020
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      thank you. It makes sense...
Mar 24th 2020
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I just wonder how the primary season would have played out differently
Mar 24th 2020
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it seems unthinkable that the entire primary process
Mar 24th 2020
94
      I think that's what happen though and I am not sure why.
Mar 25th 2020
97
           I seem to remember a lot of people wanting Joe to run.
Mar 25th 2020
98
Trump is as popular now as he's ever been
Mar 25th 2020
99
Rally around the flag effect
Mar 25th 2020
101
Yea and Reeq (I think) mentioned last week ...
Mar 25th 2020
102
      I remember that post
Mar 26th 2020
109
we all want everything to be ok
Mar 25th 2020
103
Is it just the crisis that is making Cuomo look so good?
Mar 26th 2020
105
wait for it...
Mar 26th 2020
106
Ha my buddy said the same thing this morning. I'd take it.
Mar 26th 2020
108
He's got some baggage I think I saw, but can't remember at ..
Mar 26th 2020
107
Unless you are in film killing someone baggage shouldn’t matter
Mar 26th 2020
110
Man you never know with an Italian politician from the New York Machine....
Mar 26th 2020
111
It's the crisis. But also, Donald Trump, specifically.
Mar 26th 2020
113
      He's usually blamed for indulging the IDC too
Mar 26th 2020
115
      Yea these are some of the types of things I was referencing
Mar 26th 2020
116
Poll Workers Contract Covid-19 at Primaries DNC, Biden said Safe
Mar 28th 2020
117
NY presidential primary is delayed to June
Mar 28th 2020
118
Yeah, I'm maintaining Trump isn't coming back from this
Mar 28th 2020
119

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1. "meanwhile bernie immediate raises millions for covid-19 relief efforts"
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Sat Mar-21-20 04:05 PM by rawsouthpaw

  

          

via his still running campaign network. my close friend was bernie's campaign director for his victorious state of california operations, and was assigned to head NY's campaign for the april primary, and we talked last night. i told him like a lot of people i want him to drive the national policy dialogue by remaining in the race until the convention as conditions continue developing and changing, and all levels of government suddenly and increasingly understand the credibility of our movement's demands.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/21/not-done-yet-bernie-sanders-campaign-mobilizes-donors-coronavirus-relief-and-raises?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook

"Sen. Bernie Sanders' for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination campaign's prodigious fundraising operation raised $2 million for charities helping those most affected by the coronavirus outbreak crisis in the last 48 hours in a move that supporters said exemplified the message of solidarity the Vermont lawmaker has run on.

The campaign mobilized staff and volunteers to text and call to raise money for five charities: Meals on Wheels, No Kid Hungry, Restaurant Workers’ Community Foundation COVID-19 Emergency Relief Fund, One Fair Wage Emergency Fund, and the National Domestic Workers Alliance."

additionally spelled out a relief plan that goes far beyond what pelosi and biden are pushing, leaving massive amounts of workers in the cold financially and health wise by deferring to large corporations.

  

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2. "I wonder if his naysayers realize"
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that he's actually out here trying to save capitalism in America, by making it livable for the people within the country, rather than imposing actual socialism.

but nope!

  

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3. "surviving this in the most optimistic forecast benefits Trump"
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Sat Mar-21-20 05:17 PM by Dr Claw

  

          

because you know they can just point at the absolute foolishness of the Dems in congress as to why they don't want to fight "The Chinese Virus".

a thread worth reading regarding the bailout strategy: https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1241446035190358018

another article worth reading about the conflict under the crisis: https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/china-locked-in-hybrid-war-with-us/

perhaps people become so disgusted by the actions of Trump, and are devastated by the fallout ENOUGH to grind their teeth and vote for the Democratic nominee.

but this is America, and motherfuckers are dumb as hell.

  

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4. "I really feel for the downballot races"
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i've got a ton of friends running here in Georgia this election cycle: state house, state senate, congress, county commission...

nearly the whole gamut of offices

and many of them are challenging incumbents

the inability to hold events or pound pavement and go door to door is running absolute havoc on their field. not to mention fundraising.

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5. "True. Lot of incumbents are being protected"
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6. "Looking presidential ? To who ?!?"
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>He's up there at a podium everyday, all
>eyes on him, looking "presidential".

Besides those who are already willing to let him get away with any and everything who does he look "presidential" to ?

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7. "Yeah, saying he looks "presidential" is an... interesting interpretation"
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I mean, I guess he is the president, so by default when the camera is on him he looks "presidential." But... that's about as far as it goes.

He's having mental breakdowns on global TV. He's no longer talking to people who love him, and the struggle is showing.

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12. "This is the main part"
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Most people see clips of him at rallies. Or yelling at reporters in front of a helicopter. This gives people a chance to see him really play president in front of the cameras.

We might think he bungling everything, but I think the is value in just the image of the daily crisis briefing.

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>I mean, I guess he is the president, so by default when the
>camera is on him he looks "presidential."
>

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17. "maybe it's timing but this is all i've seen the last 2 days"
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>Or yelling at
>reporters in front of a helicopter.

The last 2 days I tuned in to the press conferences and he's saying china china china and "you called me racist" and being combative with reporters.

the one i saw before that he was very matter of fact about what's being done, which is all i want to hear from him, or just to step aside and let the experts talk.

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44. "I know folks don't want to praise anything about him"
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>Most people see clips of him at rallies. Or yelling at
>reporters in front of a helicopter. This gives people a chance
>to see him really play president in front of the cameras.
>
>We might think he bungling everything, but I think the is
>value in just the image of the daily crisis briefing.
>
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>>I mean, I guess he is the president, so by default when the
>>camera is on him he looks "presidential."
>>
>


But he DID have week where it really looked like he was listening to the actually smart people in the room. He was starting the briefings and then getting out of the fucking way.

He clearly wasn't the focus and didn't make himself the focus.... it probably killed him, psychologically, but it actually WAS good leadership at that moment.

Of course he's back to his race-baiting, blame shifting ways so you know he probably perceived his actual best performance as him being weak. God forbid he makes decisions based on his actual impact rather than whether his ego is intact.

I also think what really unnerved him and put him on his back foot was the market tanking. He seems to really have tied his ego as president to the market.

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10. "He must be talking about Dana Bash lol"
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>>He's up there at a podium everyday, all
>>eyes on him, looking "presidential".
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>Besides those who are already willing to let him get away with
>any and everything who does he look "presidential" to ?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGoUDqkEmpw

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yep all this, the "looking presidential" is a three year old talking that has never been true.

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8. "Yeah, I had this assumption that this is all bad for Trump but...."
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Maybe I got that wrong.


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9. "He’s the president... but the last thing he looks is presidential "
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shut up already, damn

  

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11. "Yeah, this is politically catastrophic."
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There's a catastrophe more immediate than politics, of course, but the political consequences will be huge and long lasting.

By November, either the crisis will have passed, or it will still be ongoing.

If it's still ongoing, Trump gets the 'rally around the flag' effect that every president gets in a national crisis, even if they're handling it poorly. It seems incomprehensible that people are rating Trump's response positively so far, but this is presumably why. Moreover, by November people will be fucking terrified and worn out, and there's nothing Trump does better than exploiting fear and laziness.

If the crisis has passed, then he gets underserved gravitas for having 'seen the country through the crisis,' even though he's made the wrong decision at every stage. The best we'll be able to say is "Trump should have seen this coming, he should have acted in the months and years before this crisis. Look at this list of news stories from January 2020!" We tried that very argument against George W Bush, and it never worked. W failed miserably on 9/11, and he got reelected for it.

  

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13. "Yeah no matter what the status is on November..."
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I can't see this making Trump look anything but more re-electable (relative to before COVID-19).

He'll either be perceived as the hero who lead us through a pandemic. Or a president at a time when we all need to "come together as one" during a national crisis

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15. "On the other hand, "
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there might also be the historical parallel of Herbert Hoover. Slow-walking at every stage, hoping it'll just go away, pretending it's all media hype, pretending it's the states' job, resisting the use of federal powers and authority...

There's a possibility that people will just be fed the fuck up with incompetence. And Donald Trump is manifestly incompetent, as even his supporters will grudgingly admit. FDR ran on competence and on a plan of action that just made sense after a year of telescoping failures. Joe Biden is no FDR, obviously (and for the record, Bernie Sanders is even less), but if I allow myself some unwarranted optimism about human nature, the contrast with the 'no drama Obama' years might help us.

  

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go mack
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14. "Yup"
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570


not according to my facebook feed but yeah, when I saw articles a week or 2 declaring this the end of Trump I was thinking lets not get ahead of ourselves.

  

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"The split is wild tho."


          

I forget exactly but it was something like 84% repug approval, 13% dem approval lol.

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16. "he looked "presidential" for 2 days, now he's back to being bratty child"
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he looked like dear in headlights the first few days, then the closest he looked to being presidential is when he finally started taking this seriously an breaking down what he was gonna do and listening to Fauci and them (turned out some of what he was doing was lies but i'm just talking optics and a low bar).

The last couple days a good amount of what i see in his presss conference is him digging in on this "chinese virus" thing, and then playing victim because he's being called racist.

This is the thing that normally works for him, and it will with most of his cult, but his trick can't work if he can't change the subject every 2 days. This story isn't going away, and unlike impeachment or mueller it affects literally everyone. People are losing their jobs. This virus is more dangerous to the average fox viewer than everyone.

It's gonna wear on the public, and it's gonna wear on him (he can't to rallies so he took his antics to the press conferences.

He better hope we fare vastly better than the rest of the world and people feel the economy the mend. Barring that, Trump is over.

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18. "Biden's glaring absence right now is not a good look"
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You've got Cuomo out there looking like a G. Bernie's still active as ever and introducing viable solutions with Warren and others.

Where's Joe? Dude ain't been seen since the debate - and is M.I.A. at a time when Americans are starving for leadership.

via Politico:

"Joe Biden reached a new and heady milestone when he shellacked Bernie Sanders in Florida, Illinois and Arizona to become the de facto Democratic nominee for president.

But there was no soaring speech to acknowledge the moment. He never took the stage amid a sea of Biden signs or before an adoring crowd on national television. Biden was instead stuck in a makeshift studio in his Delaware home, webcasting his remarks with a low-quality personal computer camera against a straight-out-of-YouTube black backdrop and two American flags.

He warned about the coronavirus contagion. He offered an olive branch to Bernie Sanders. Then, despite two consecutive weeks of smashing victories, he all but disappeared from the news cycle for days."


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19. "fam biden is already doing presidential shit."
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effectively running a shadow government behind the scenes and helping to connect governors with ppe suppliers.

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1241218979093311490
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Bidens’ campaign created its own coronavirus public health advisory committee and he has been in personal contact with Dem leaders in the House and Senate, as well as a number of Democratic governors to help them coordinate their responses to the pandemic.

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one of the people he is working with is one of the foremost experts on global pandemic response coordination.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1241416531684331526

lol @ absence.

hes doing shit that legit helps people and not just posting wishlists on social media.

thats pretty much the difference between biden and bernie. one is good at saying shit. one is good at actually doing shit.

of course some people arent gonna know any of the things of actual substance that are taking place in reality when they consume their news from the red rose twitter bubble. tangible action to them is web streams, hashtags, and online polls. to them...if you arent trending...you arent doing anything.

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23. "To the public it looks like he's gone missing, which is what "
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25. "false."
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the problem is people (like you i guess) who think ads and retweets are more important than people getting hospital beds.

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34. "When you have some free time, search Biden, missing, hiding"
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on Twitter.

Then search Bernie, Sanders, missing, hiding.

You'll see a big difference in the results.

  

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36. "LOL. Ladies and gentlemen-- LOGIC!"
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>on Twitter.
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>Then search Bernie, Sanders, missing, hiding.
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>You'll see a big difference in the results.

  

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37. "on twitter? lol."
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biden just *swept* swing state primary elections by big margins in the middle of the coronavirus scare. that was only a week ago.

and the next round of important state elections in places like georgia and ohio...biden is gonna sweep those too. with no problem.

he isnt missing to actual voters. just the usual anti-biden/dem armchair quarterbacks whose political expertise leads to their chosen candidates only getting 30-something percent of the vote on the *left*.

theres nothing biden could do to please them other than ending his campaign and endorsing the opponent he is crushing.

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38. "Oh, ok."
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42. "lol dude"
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>on Twitter.
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>Then search Bernie, Sanders, missing, hiding.
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>You'll see a big difference in the results.

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26. "To the public that's the story for every politician, though,"
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at least every politician not named Cuomo, Newsom, McConnell, Pelosi, or Trump.

Not saying it's a good thing. But there just isn't much way for anyone else to be publicly visible, like Jay Doz said above. Biden will have to find a way to deal with that. On the other hand, as things get increasingly ugly, maybe it's better to stay out of the fray.

I don't know what makes Vex think Bernie is being visible. I'm sure he's visible in the cult of personality Twitter feed. But outside that he's even more invisible than Biden.

  

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30. "^ Paid off by Big PPE. "
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32. "lol you know its coming."
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45. "c'mon fam - let's use some context here. This is Joe Biden"
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The same Joe Biden who his campaign tried to limit media exposure to throughout this campaign. But he's no longer just a candidate in the mix - and it's not September 2019. Biden is the presumptive nominee now. At a time when he should be harnessing the momentum from this primary win and clearly giving us play-by-play on what needs to be done in the face of this unprecedented crisis, all we get are vague reports of "talks" and "planning" that's going on behind the scenes - where Joe is apparently showcasing exemplary leadership not found on Twitter -- just trust us. lol k.

One of the reasons why Cuomo has been getting praise is because he's showcasing actual leadership. He's visible, accountable, and leading by example - in front of the camera - in front of the American people - not isolated in his house with "talks" and "planning" and "coordinating" -- actual leading.

What's concerning is not simply the question of whether Biden is doing enough as the prospective Leader of the Free World - it's more about whether he has the actual capacity to fill those shoes.

Him being fairly invisible during a time when leadership is needed most isn't exactly encouraging - *especially* given the context of him being encouraged to mitigate his exposure to the public because of a "less is better" approach to his campaign out of fear that more exposure to the public will just further his expose his questionable capacity to lead.

>effectively running a shadow government behind the scenes and
>helping to connect governors with ppe suppliers.

I don't think you meant to say "shadow government" lol. You're probably referring to the shadow briefing he's preparing on Covid-19.

But it is interesting to see your swift pivot from questioning Biden's ability to lead to now making the outrageous claim that Biden is the leader who is about acting and "getting things done." lol.

Please - tell me what exactly has Biden "gotten done" in the past 4 years?


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46. "Lol so what Biden's got to do..."
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is become governor of one of the biggest states in the nation.

Why didn't the campaign think of that?!

  

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49. "apparently nothing"
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If it satisfies droves of voters (like yourself) - perhaps he's best served in doing absolutely nothing instead of fumbling about making mistake after mistake.

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51. "well cuomo is actually leading because hes an elected official."
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governor of the state with the most populous city in america.

doing his job.

so hes gonna be on the frontlines of the crisis.

you seem to have left that important detail out lol.

biden (who holds no office) is still working to help people like cuomo out.

and all bernie is doing is grandstanding on social media and skipping out on his duties in the senate (he didnt even show up to vote today).

if thats your idea of leadership ok. voters clearly disagree.

>I don't think you meant to say "shadow government" lol.
>You're probably referring to the shadow briefing he's
>preparing on Covid-19.

no i def meant shadow government (maybe you dont know the term?). aka carrying out the duties that our current administration is failing to act on. orchestrating/coordinating key parts of states response to the crisis (something the prez/fema/etc should be doing).


>But it is interesting to see your swift pivot from questioning
>Biden's ability to lead to now making the outrageous claim
>that Biden is the leader who is about acting and "getting
>things done." lol.

good or bad...biden has had his fingerprints all over legislation and administrations for decades. actually getting laws passed and policy enacted. bernie has gotten a bunch of amendments into other peoples bills lol. nobody even knew who bernie was until 2015 lol.


>Please - tell me what exactly has Biden "gotten done" in the
>past 4 years?
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you do realize biden wasnt in office right? lol. what exactly has bernie done in the last 4 years while he *was* in office?

shit there are more dems in congress today who biden endorsed than those who bernie endorsed. so even in retirement biden was doing more for dems than bernie lol.

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55. "Oh ok so you at least admit that Biden hasn't done anything"
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But this was your quote - not mine:

"thats pretty much the difference between biden and bernie. one is good at saying shit. one is good at actually doing shit."

Which is why I asked what Biden has actually done - given your claim. Yet you failed to mention one thing he's actually gotten done.

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60. "oh ok we are already at the part where you conveniently ignore"
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the parts of the reply you dont like and deflect from addressing questions about bernie.

biden is helping governors with their efforts to get important medical supplies and save lives. that was mentioned. you read it in more than one reply.

bernie is doing webinars from his living room and skipping votes in the senate (after cussing out a reporter for not respecting bernies supposed concern about dealing with a 'fucking global crisis')
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1240363250895728642
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1241930627831775234

so in your head...biden is doing nothing. and bernie is killing it with the display of leadership lol (despite not even showing up to his job).

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66. "Noted. You think Biden is doing an amazing job."
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Good to hear.

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67. "ah the stock face saving reply."
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57. "that's not his job. His job is to beat Trump."
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58. "technically his job is to beat bernie"
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and win the primary.

and its *everyones* job to pitch in and help out in a time of crisis.

biden is doing both.

never thought id see the day that people on okp would reverse engineer their logic to downplay someone helping to save lives. but here we are.

meanwhile bernie is getting applauded for doing a webinar and skipping senate votes (apparently hes not even doing *his* job lol).

bizarro world.

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59. "tf? his job is to beat bernie? lol"
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the bar just keeps getting lower and lower.

Congrats Joe! You won the democratic primary - your work here is done.

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61. "you ok fam? you do know how primaries work right?"
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if bidens job is to beat trump...then why is bernie still running?

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65. "the entire Biden campaign message has been: Joe beats Trump"
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His job is only done if he delivers on that promise.

But you are telling on yourself with the "his job was to beat Bernie" spin - as for many - that was the primary focus (regardless of whether or not Trump is defeated in November).

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68. "ok then why isnt bernie letting biden do his job? "
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i know youre big on party unity and all.

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95. "Bernie is done. It's just math at this point. He got creamed."
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96. "have you seen biden's latest interviews? he can't stop blinking"
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he's malfunctioning
https://youtu.be/RXfSNdTPCXY?t=134

obama was down 300 delegates to clinton at a similar stage if i remember correctly, and he didn't have a societal paradigm in public health immediately show up like bernie has potentially shifting the electorate.

  

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62. "this seems to be the new talking point for bernie supporters"
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except no one anywhere else is saying it.

who are y'all speaking for?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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63. "notice none of them reply to bernie skipping senate votes"
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to group chat with his homies.

apparently bernie missing from the senate floor isnt as important as biden missing from social media.

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77. "because it's disingenuous bootlicking bullshit."
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the goddamn vote was 47-47 with NO DEMS voting on a measure than needed 60 fuckin' votes.

Does Bernie's one vote count for 13 or nah

  

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80. "is bernie a senator or not? what's disingenouous "
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about saying you should do the job you have?

if he's a leader who can create political change....shouldn't he be doing it right now?

who's stopping him from doing it in the senate?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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85. "your excuse is disingenuous bootlicking bullshit."
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a clear double standard that you wouldnt let fly for any 'establishment' senators.

other senators had to show up to be accountable to voters and put their name on record for where they stand. something that can and will be used against them by republicans. bernie conveniently evaded that.

and his answer about why he was absent was just as bullshit as your excuse:
https://twitter.com/AnnieGrayerCNN/status/1242168260298182659
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"Right now the most important thing that anybody can do, and that the progressive movement can do, is to make sure that working people get the protection that they need. I'm going to use every tool that I have to make sure that that happened.”
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but this is a clear pattern with sanders:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357
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From Jan 2007 to Mar 2020, Sanders missed 544 of 4,102 roll call votes, which is 13.3%. This is much worse than the median of 1.4% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving.
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91. "If only Bernie was acting and getting things done like Joe"
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93. "sweet dunk on all the joe biden fanboys"
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104. "now that bernie's involved is it still bootlicking to think he should be"
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I need to keep up with the talking points.

I like the impact he's had on the process. isn't it great to be able to discuss a political achievement by a presidential candidate?

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114. "the relevant part is the number of votes"
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if it needed 60, and the Dems decided to make it 59 before Bernie got to that point and there were no other votes, it's a problem.

it's a party line vote where nothing advances with or without Bernie it's a moot point

corp media making a mountain out of an ant hill

  

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20. "every prez/gov tends to get a bump in a crisis."
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despite all of the craziness of the trump era...a lot of historical trends have been holding up. this is another one.

but to put it in perspective...

https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/1241537803353305089
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Approval Ratings.

Bush - 9/11: 85%

Obama - Hurricane Sandy: 78%

Trump - Coronavirus: 56%
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so yes...trump has gotten a bump. buts its clearly lower than previous presidents (for the obvious reasons). thats significant.

he is prolly at his peak right around now. then once the death toll starts rising...the chaos at hospitals starts dominating the news cycle...it becomes more clear that he lied about medication/vaccine effectiveness/availability, evoking the defense production act, etc...and more info comes out about his inaction/incompetence early on...those numbers will go down imo.

plus people are cherrypicking the most sensational polls like during/after impeachment. there are several that show that he has made some gains but is still underwater.

there was just an npr/marist poll not too long ago that showed that only 37% of people trusted trumps words about the crisis.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/17/poll-americans-lack-trust-in-trump-on-coronavirus-information-133576


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21. "Rand Paul has it."
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I wish him the best, despite a lot of reasons not to wish him the best. He's in really good health, from what I understand, so he'll probably have no trouble.

This brings to mind a shocking thought, though. Many senators will get this, and many senators are in extremely high-risk groups. It's very possible that multiple senators (and House members) will die from this. What the hell happens to the Senate/WH dynamic when senators think their OWN lives are at risk?

  

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24. "they might just shut down congress like bibi did in israel."
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among other authoritarian moves like shutting down the courts (where he is headed to trial on corruption charges).
https://www.thedailybeast.com/embattled-israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-makes-a-coronavirus-power-grab

the supreme court already suspended new arguments for the 1st time in 100 years. the repub gov in ohio openly defied a court order and suspended an election. and the repub state legislature of kentucky is using the coronavirus as cover to enact stricter voter id laws for an election just months away (and while the state dmv is indefinitely shut down).

never underestimate the willingness of conservatives/authoritarians to use a crisis to erode democratic norms and gain/keep more power.

i wouldnt be surprised if they decided to just shut congress down along with its oversight/legislative/etc functions (while republicans do shit in states/elections that take advantage of the void).

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29. "This is the scariest shit."
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>among other authoritarian moves like shutting down the courts
>(where he is headed to trial on corruption charges).
>https://www.thedailybeast.com/embattled-israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-makes-a-coronavirus-power-grab
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>the supreme court already suspended new arguments for the 1st
>time in 100 years. the repub gov in ohio openly defied a
>court order and suspended an election. and the repub state
>legislature of kentucky is using the coronavirus as cover to
>enact stricter voter id laws for an election just months away
>(and while the state dmv is indefinitely shut down).
>
>never underestimate the willingness of
>conservatives/authoritarians to use a crisis to erode
>democratic norms and gain/keep more power.
>
>i wouldnt be surprised if they decided to just shut congress
>down along with its oversight/legislative/etc functions (while
>republicans do shit in states/elections that take advantage of
>the void).
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41. "orban in hungary is using the crisis to become full on dictator."
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https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-hungary-legislation/hungary-govt-seeks-to-extend-special-powers-amid-coronavirus-crisis-idUSL8N2BE0U2

the amount of rights/liberties that we have already willfully conceded in response to the virus is pretty alarming in the grand scheme of things.

imagine telling people a year or 2 ago that trump wouldnt even have to shut down cities/states/(prolly the country soon)/etc because everyone would encourage it on their own.

wait until we get the deployment of the military in our streets and those hard curfews/lockdowns they got over in italy.

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43. "doj seeks power to detain people indefinitely without trial."
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https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/1241413073761689602
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27. "btw he was the sole no vote on the last coronavirus spending bill."
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and him contracting the virus wont change his legislative behavior one bit.

steve scalise almost lost his life after being shot with a legally obtained semi-auto rifle. and he is still as anti-gun-safety as ever.

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35. "And, oh shit, Angela Merkel is going into quarantine."
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She hasn't tested positive, but she was just treated by a doctor and the doctor has tested positive.

  

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40. "Oh shit, yeah, they've been working together ALL WEEKEND."
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Apparently Rand and many other senators have been working out together in the Senate gym.

Why in the holy fuck is the Senate gym still open?!

And why are senators even stepping out of their private offices at any time other than when it's constitutionally required?

  

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22. "trump sent a letter to kim jong un offering help with the coronavirus."
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while his administration is outbidding states, raising the prices of important medical supples, and telling governors that the fed govt isnt a shipping clerk...

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1241615608980148229
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28. "I was a Cuomo skeptic at the start of the primary campaign."
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But with all these daily press conferences, so much more professional and level headed and reassuring and human than Trump's sardine-tin press conferences, it's got me thinking about the alternate universe where Andrew Cuomo is our nominee.

  

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31. "i like how he speaks in plain relatable terms too."
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like when he connects things to old wise elder/parental advice/expressions and basic everyday household conversations.

he makes it easier for the message to hit home that way instead of sounding like some academic hall monitor.

i think dems in general could use more of that.

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33. "He learned well from his dad."
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One of the best political communicators the US has ever seen.

  

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39. "dems need to streamline/replicate stuff from people "
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like cuomo, slick willy, etc like repubs did with reagan.

some baseline retail training would do the party wonders.

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47. "Same. Proud of him as a New Yorker."
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Never really needed to pay attention to him before but happy to have him now.

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53. "RIGHT. he's playing a very very good game. "
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Hes even, calm and I get the sense he's taking a common sense approach and fighting for the people. I'm feeling it.

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48. "If Trump loses the general, he'll claim nCov19 invalidates the election."
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50. "*all* senate dems voted against gop cloture. except bernie."
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he didnt vote at all.

he was more focused on setting up a livestream with the squad.
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1241861299354525697

vex you wanna come defend your boy?

cuz yall know damn well what you would be saying if someone from 'the establishment' did this.

standards for thee but not for he.

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79. "and Elizabeth Warren."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET00WwKWkAgBI7t?format=png&name=900x900

  

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83. "nah thats the vote from march 5th."
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https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s66

heres from yesterday.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/s77

thanks for bringing to my attention that bernie no-showed *both* of them.

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52. "2020 feels like some Years and Years script. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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54. "RE: Election implications of COVID-19"
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?cid=rrpromo

  

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56. "Biden on Live right now"
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Glad he decided to show up:

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/725147288023302/

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72. "5 min talk is very interesting contrast w/ bernie's collaborative panel"
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https://youtu.be/d-30JR5Cojc?t=1008

over an hour and including contributions from various parts of the country via Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib

  

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90. "nah fam Bernie & AOC are beefing right now and hate each other"
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hadn't you heard?

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64. "'the cure cant be worse than the disease'."
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repubs are all fanning out to media with this coordinated talking point.

they wanna ease restrictions suggested by the actual medical experts and get people back out in public again to save the economy/stock market. their logic is that only older people are at a significant risk of dying and everyone else shouldnt be punished.

apparently killing grandma and grandpa is acceptable collateral damage for maintaining a stable economy.

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75. "here it is in direct terms:"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET0tj9yU4AAEz4L?format=jpg&name=large

peak gop.

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87. "Holy shit."
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>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET0tj9yU4AAEz4L?format=jpg&name=large
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>peak gop.

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69. "big dick pelosi using stimulus as leverage for voting rights."
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on top of protections/relief for the american people.

thats my girl. best legislator of her generation.


https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1242131087515512832
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This is huge! Nancy Pelosi announces that House Dems' stimulus bill will include billions in grant funding for the states & requirements that they have 15 days of early voting, no-excuse absentee mail voting, & mailing all voters a ballot in emergencies

https://t.co/MOaB8Uslhp
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https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1242133158222426116
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Congress must act immediately to ensure we can still hold November's elections amid the coronavirus pandemic. This map shows which states vote by mail & which ones still require excuses for absentee mail ballots. The latter must change to protect voters

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETzxg2KU4AAX7_J?format=jpg&name=large
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https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1242148697334370308
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NEW: House Democrats unveil a stimulus package that includes billions in funding for universal mail voting, no-excuse absentee voting, & 15 days of early voting. Democrats must insist that any stimulus package ensures our elections can still take place

https://t.co/zHRD24fPPn

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETz_hMGUUAEOpwV?format=jpg&name=large
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https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/1242149341092958208
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Trump realizes that his re-election chances are tightly tied to the state of the economy, which gives Democrats the leverage to demand election protection measures in exchange for supporting fiscal stimulus. We can't solve the coronavirus pandemic without securing our democracy
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70. "aint no way i'm finna vote for this"
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https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1242150396514185218

take a message

  

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71. "Then you're voting for this."
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74. "anyone still sitting out after 2016 + last 4 yrs is a trump supporter."
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100. "POINT BLANK. PERIOD!"
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>thats a tacit endorsement for him to continue on as
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73. "Thousands are going to die because fucknuts is worried about his..."
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...reelection chances.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/489072-trump-team-fiercely-debates-how-long-coronavirus-restrictions-should


Trump team fiercely debates how long coronavirus restrictions should stay in place

A high-stakes debate is playing out among key figures in President Trump’s orbit over how quickly to loosen restrictions meant to combat the coronavirus.

A number of people around Trump have pushed for prioritizing the economy and sending people back to work as quickly as possible, particularly in less afflicted areas.

But Trump’s own public health officials and some of his allies on Capitol Hill have warned against risking higher infection rates and deaths for the sake of boosting the economy in the short term.

Sources close to the Trump administration described a “split” in the larger Trump world where some people around the president believe the federal government should ease recommendations on social distancing after the 15-day period while others favor waiting a few more weeks or taking even more dramatic action to stamp out the spread of the virus.

“I think there’s a recognition that there needs to be some sort of medium between listening to the doctors and listening to other experts as well,” the person said. “There really isn’t a perfect answer.”

There were more than 41,500 confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. as of Monday afternoon, a large percentage of them concentrated in New York. Roughly 500 people had died of the disease. The pandemic has resulted in unforeseen businesses closures and massive layoffs across the country.

On Monday, the camp in favor of kick-starting the economy as quickly as possible seemed to be winning out. Trump, apparently spurred on by commentary from Fox News host Steve Hilton, tweeted overnight that “we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself" and retweeted several supporters on Monday calling for Americans to get back to work.

Advisers and prominent commentators in conservative media lined up to voice concerns that the economic costs of maintaining restrictions had to be taken into consideration.

“In one week we need to be heading back to work, school, stores, restaurants and churches with new protocols in place,” Fox News host Laura Ingraham tweeted. “The risk if we don’t is that we lose far more in terms of death, pain and suffering than this pandemic will bring.”

Larry Kudlow, the White House’s top economic adviser, said the administration was discussing possible economic remedies and acknowledged “we’re going to have to make some difficult tradeoffs.”

“We can’t shut in the economy,” he said on Fox News. “The economic cost to individuals is just too great.”

Asked Monday whether the administration was considering relaxing the guidelines to stimulate the economy, Vice President Mike Pence told reporters that the coronavirus task force would evaluate ways to potentially "adjust" the guidance after the 15-day period.

“At the end of this 15 days, we're going to get with our health experts, we're going to evaluate ways in which we might be able to adjust that guidance for the American people,” Pence told reporters after a teleconference with governors at FEMA headquarters. “We'll look at where we are and we'll evaluate based on our health experts, what steps might be possible.”

The White House has bolstered its team of economic advisers amid the pandemic, bringing on Kevin Hassett, Trump’s former chief economist, as a temporary adviser. Hassett last week suggested on CNN that the U.S. may have to consider sending Americans back to work at a certain point even if the pandemic hasn’t abated to avoid a Great Depression-like event.

Trump also tapped Joseph Lavorgna, former chief economist for the Americas for Natixis, to a position on the White House National Economic Council where he will be responsible in part for studying the effects of the COVID-19 outbreak on the economy.

Social distancing policies put into place by local governments and backed by the federal government are intended to flatten the curve of the virus’s spread. This is seen as vitally important to prevent hospitals from being over-crowded with coronavirus victims. Fears about supply shortages in masks or ventilators have been widely reported.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the most prominent members of the coronavirus task force who has advocated for drastic measures to stem the outbreak, said Friday that Americans would likely need to stay home for several more weeks to blunt the spread of the virus.

“If you look at the trajectory of the curves of outbreaks in other areas, it’s at least going to be several weeks,” Fauci told NBC News. “I can not see that all of a sudden next week or two weeks from now it’s going to be over. I don’t think there’s a chance of that.”

At the same time, the economic harm caused by the coronavirus and the shutting down of the economy is leading to deep fears about millions of job losses. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told GOP senators last week that it was possible unemployment could hit 20 percent, though he later backtracked somewhat by saying he was not offering a prediction.

Trump one week ago detailed recommendations urging Americans nationwide to avoid restaurants and bars, limit gatherings to 10 people or less and cancel non-essential travel for 15 days. The measures came as a handful of states and localities ordered schools and eating establishments to be closed and large events to be cancelled. The federal government has ramped up testing for the virus in the days since, and the number of domestic cases have skyrocketed from a few thousand to more than 40,000.

Some argue that by loosening the social distancing recommendations sometime soon after the 15-day mark, the federal government would be allowing people, particularly in parts of the country that aren’t seeing large numbers of cases, to begin returning to normal life.

One source close to the administration argued that the decision shouldn’t be left entirely up to the public health officials because they are not experts on the economic effects of the virus.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Monday is expected to unveil new guidance for people working in critical infrastructure sectors, like first responders, which will help people who have been exposed return to work more quickly by wearing masks.

But some of Trump’s staunchest allies have cautioned against the public health risks of ignoring experts and shaking off social distancing recommendations before the virus is contained.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday that he would urge the White House to follow the advice of Fauci and other medical experts and insisted that continuing with mitigation measures should be the priority to avoid overrun hospitals and catastrophic consequences.

“There is no functioning economy unless we control the virus,” Graham said.

Steve Bannon, the president’s former chief strategist, advocated on Sunday for an aggressive national shutdown to blunt the spread of the virus, “take the pain up front,” and hopefully shorten the amount of time businesses remain closed.

A similar debate is playing out across the country as governors who are imposing shelter-in-place advisories and ordering non-essential businesses to close are mulling how to keep their state economies from collapsing entirely.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D), who has emerged as the most visible Democrat leading the charge against the virus, told reporters at a news conference on Monday that he is already trying to plan for how to best wind down restrictions on workers.

“You have to walk and chew gum in life,” Cuomo said.

One consideration, he said, is that young people who are less vulnerable to the virus could return to their jobs sooner than other populations.

But Cuomo has been consistent in warning constituents that restrictions meant to mitigate the spread of the coronavirus could be in place for the foreseeable future, predicting last week that New York would see the peak of the virus in 45 days.

“The economic future of America is always going to be right toward the front of a president’s decision-making,” one former Trump adviser said. “But in this case if we take the big, bold, dramatic action now, then we’ll put ourselves on course to have a nice rebound in advance of the fall. If we just try to flatten the curve, that’s just going to prolong the national pain.”


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76. "What happened? He's making it a point to avoid saying "Chinese virus""
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Started off the press conference today saying that we are with Asian Americans and this is not their fault.

Then some many times he stopped himself from saying it. He'd pause and just say "the virus".

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78. "a rogue's gallery of dumbasses among us"
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- Trump: letting the country and actual economy fall into death hell isn't going to HELP your reelection chances. shut the whole goddamn country down, and kick the dickhead GOP governors who aren't doing so. just do it.

- Rand Paul: got that shit, hopefully spread it to more GOP Senate members

- the corporations who actually run the country: not realizing that 1) they'll be able to get loans to fill the gap for damn near free regardless, and their precious bailout will be worth SHIT w/o people actually being consumers. no one is going to fly, buy cars, stay in hotels, do anything but stay home and hope to not die for weeks if not months. then you'll be back to Donnie begging for more money. take this L now, let the rebuild happen properly and you'll recoup. DUMB ASS NIGGAS.

- the Democratic Party (leadership). not as dumb as they were being with their rinky-dink ass plans last week. some good ideas (mostly coming from the House -- Waters, Tlaib, et al). the one not-dumb thing they did was oppose the GOP's corporate welfare bill. but they really need to stop fucking around with means testing. it's bullshit that just reinforce the horseshit that existed before all of this happened. now's the time to prove your worth. right now, you're looking like the less competent wing of a money laundering operation for the wealthy.


- the Joe Biden campaign: Trump is TANKING in the public. get your ass out there and speak to the people about how you're going to recover. oh wait... it happened. Did anyone see that shit? Elder abuse in the highest. dude ain't gonna survive a re-election campaign. Niggas set up a "savior" storyline and this nigga goes AWOL. is this y'alls king?! Andrew Cuomo is doing a better job at looking competent in front of the cameras than Biden, and he's hiding a lot of the SHIT that he's put in motion that is compounding New York State's slide into being the "Italy" of the US (like cutting Medicaid by hundreds of millions).

- the centrists in media and in the peanut gallery concern trolling about Bernie not doing inconsequential things. if you fell for it, you're a dumb ass too.

this country is going straight to Hell.
all because some racist white folks got butthurt over Obama.
I wish Obama had given them full reason to be butthurt. at least people might have stood a chance in this shit.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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81. "meanwhile, the only arguments the sanders campaign can come up with"
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are things that make people who already supported him feel good about themselves without actually helping him or his political goals move to the forefront.

idk man, I kinda want better from the side that claims it doesn't suck.

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82. "*cough*shuffle*shuffle some more*"
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you know when people don't outwardly react to something uncomfortable but just kinda shift around not looking at each other? THAT.


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112. "moot point because corp media refuses to acknowledge "
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anything regarding those ideas, and are low key annoyed that he even brings them up

much of the electorate gets its info from said media. see all the Russiagate posturing whenever someone left of Washington status quo does something they don't like

so on and so forth.

nothing he or his campaign could have done to change that. Washington does not want a populist left leading electoral politics, it's bad for business

meanwhile, the "real Democrats" who are said to be "doing all the stuff" in the Senate couldn't muster an amendment like Sanders put in the big business bailout/wealth transfer bill despite all their tweeting and marketing. with the amendment, it passed with all members of GOP voting for it (largely because of the slush fund but still).

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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84. "that other post too long..."
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so I’m putting this here

I have questions about this social distancing thing. Like, I understand to get a hold of this thing we need to stay home but, what happens once the numbers drop? Since there’s no cure, what happens when we hit the streets again - it starts all over again?

what am I missing...


  

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86. "Social distancing is too avoid overwhelming the health system"
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Spread out the infections over a wide range of time, instead of one huge spike.

Also I think we need time to understand the virus. We don't know how it's transmitted, how long it lives, how to treat it, how to prevent it.
The more we spread out the cases, the more time we have to figure it out

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88. "Correct. Re: not understanding the virus at all .."
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... they therefore don't know how the virus will mutate, if it does, which would only further overwhelm the healthcare system if the virus became something worse than it currently is.

So yea. Until they know more, this is unfortunately the best option.

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89. "thank you. It makes sense..."
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92. "I just wonder how the primary season would have played out differently"
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If we knew we'd be dealing with Corona Virus?

You'd like to think that we would have more serious candidates who appeared young-ish and healthy and ran a campaign based on competency.

I support Joe Biden not because he was my first choice, but because he is the candidate the party coalesced around. I wonder if they would have coalesced around someone who protected vigor and competency.

And before Bernie fans get to excited by that confession, if I known then what I know about Bernie's inability to build coalitions OR being out new voters, I would have wanted him out the race long ago and not have even given him any consideration.

Biden can't compete with Trump or Cuomo for airtime because they are running the effort and can have daily press conference. But he can pull all his people together who endorsed him and bless them to speak on behalf of the party as to what the dems think should be done. Biden's selling point should be he represents a team and the team can take on Trump.


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94. "it seems unthinkable that the entire primary process"
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couldn't surface any viable candidate under the age of 60

or...50.

and yet.....

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97. "I think that's what happen though and I am not sure why. "
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I don't think the democratic establishment truly was excited and thrilled about Biden, I think dude got the position by default. What people don't talk enough about is that Biden had no money and won South Carolina and Super Tuesday. The Big Democractic Donors didn't flush him with cash. Yeah he secured a nice wave of endorsements from the other candidates who dropped out but that's what every candidate still in the race is s'pose to do.

Yeah the DNC wasn't thrilled about Bernie but if he showed up with this Bernie Wave of young voters who turned out and secured his position, I think the party would have fallen in line. We will never know because they didn't show up.

Warren was my candidate but when I talked to family down south they were not feeling the new England Harvard professor. It's not that surprising. Sadly becoming president isn't about electing the most competent person.

The smart young candidate was a gay mayor from the midwest who worked for Mckinsey and didn't even have a good relationship with the black people from the town he was the Mayor of.

Maybe it was suppose to be Julian Castro but that dude looked weird, didn't have that much a track record and didn't get people that excited.

Kamala tapped out early but that was mainly because she had a poorly run organization.

People want to blame big money and the Dem establishment for it but again, big money and the Dem Establishment didn't pick Biden as its first choice. Compare his rise to the top versus Hillary who WAS the choice of big money and the Dem Establishment. Also consider Obama faced those odds and won.

I'll say it, We really did not have a Barrack, Bill Clinton or even a John Edwards this cycle that got the people going and made waves.

Don't know why that happened.

I still think Biden wins though.

*shrugs*

>couldn't surface any viable candidate under the age of 60
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>or...50.
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>and yet.....
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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98. "I seem to remember a lot of people wanting Joe to run. "
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Hell, in 2016 I wanted him to run.

Was anyone really surprised the guy who was Vice President to the first Black President for 8 years would struggle with black voters???

shut up already, damn

  

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99. "Trump is as popular now as he's ever been"
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/donald-trump-gallup-approval-polling/index.html

(CNN)Here's an indisputable fact: President Donald Trump is as popular today as he has been since his first day in office.

In a new Gallup poll, 49% approve of the job Trump is doing as president while 45% disapprove, matching the highest his approval rating has ever been in Gallup surveys. A Monmouth University poll released on Monday showed Trump at 46% approval, again the best he has done in that poll in more than three years.

In the Gallup poll, 60% of Americans approve of the job Trump is doing in handling the crisis while 38% disapprove of how he has done. Six in 10 independents approve of how Trump has done on the coronavirus as do more than 1 in 4 (27%) of Democrats. In the Monmouth poll, 50% say Trump has done a good job with coronavirus while 45% said he has done a bad job.

The heightened approval for how Trump has managed this crisis -- particularly among independents and even Democrats -- is what is pushing up his overall approval numbers, which have been largely stagnant for years.

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101. "Rally around the flag effect"
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-reelection-may-hinge-on-the-economy-and-coronavirus/


President Trump’s approval rating has improved slightly amid the coronavirus pandemic. But the short-term gains, reflecting a possible rally-around-the-flag effect at the time of national emergency, may not hold. On the contrary, the strong likelihood of a potentially very deep recession triggered by coronavirus puts Trump’s reelection chances in jeopardy.

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102. "Yea and Reeq (I think) mentioned last week ..."
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... that his approval #s pale in comparison to past presidents' approval ratings in similar times of crisis.

I'll try and find the link but he's still below 50%, while other presidents in times of crisis were near 60% or above. i.e. Bush after 9/11.

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109. "I remember that post"
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I knew W's numbers went up after 911 but didn't know it went up that much.

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103. "we all want everything to be ok"
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and that he's taking the right steps or at least listening to someone else.

poll numbers are pretty meaningless until we know what the other end of this thing looks like.

how bad the economy is. how we fared with the virus in comparison to other countries. even if his numbers tank in a couple weeks it still won't matter until it largely passed.

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105. "Is it just the crisis that is making Cuomo look so good?"
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What's wrong with this guy? Are there skeletons? Why didn't he run for president?

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...he just might be the guy come november


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108. "Ha my buddy said the same thing this morning. I'd take it."
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107. "He's got some baggage I think I saw, but can't remember at .."
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.. the current moment. And don't think it's wholly disqualifying, IIRC. I'll try and find it.

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110. "Unless you are in film killing someone baggage shouldn’t matter"
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in this next election

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111. "Man you never know with an Italian politician from the New York Machine...."
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I remember everyone thought his dad Mario should run for President back in the day and he always declined and I think people just assumed he too much New York Dirty Political Machine possibly Mob related to run.

I have asked a couple of social networks whether black people are not suppose to like Cuomo and didn't get much except...

"please stop saying Andrew Cuomo, who refused to issue a shelter in place order for days because it was De Blasio’s idea, who presides over a prison system where inmates rebottle hand sanitizer they aren’t allowed access to, who refuses to take steps he could to release incarcerated people at immense risk, whose panel on Medicaid cuts is still going forward despite COVID, who presided over the destruction of thousands of hospital beds, is doing a good job. The bar for praise can’t be “better than Trump,” we literally can’t survive that."


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113. "It's the crisis. But also, Donald Trump, specifically."
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Trump is just handling this shit in the absolute worst way.

So you have Cuomo, who is appearing concerned for his citizens and competent in front of the camera, and he automatically looks GREAT.

He's also out here having prisoners making hand sanitizer at slave wages.

And more relevant to the crisis: Cuomo is trying to cut Medicaid by $400 million for some odd reason, which is hindering his ability to get federal assistance for the pandemic. This is a huge red flag.

But hey, almost any non-Republican is better than Trump, I suppose

  

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115. "He's usually blamed for indulging the IDC too"
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I don't know how responsible he is for that. I'd love to hear from some New Yorkers about the subject.

But New York's state senate was majority Dem for awhile up to the 2018 election except that the persistence of the IDC teaming up with Republicans effectively blocked a lot of really positive legislation while permitting folks to keep the "Democrat" brand by their name.

It was a pretty gross betrayal of the voters, and if he didn't use any of his substantial juice to end it then he pretty well sucks.

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116. "Yea these are some of the types of things I was referencing "
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.. by saying "baggage" in my post above.


>Trump is just handling this shit in the absolute worst way.
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>So you have Cuomo, who is appearing concerned for his citizens
>and competent in front of the camera, and he automatically
>looks GREAT.
>
>He's also out here having prisoners making hand sanitizer at
>slave wages.
>
>And more relevant to the crisis: Cuomo is trying to cut
>Medicaid by $400 million for some odd reason, which is
>hindering his ability to get federal assistance for the
>pandemic. This is a huge red flag.
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>But hey, almost any non-Republican is better than Trump, I
>suppose

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117. "Poll Workers Contract Covid-19 at Primaries DNC, Biden said Safe"
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Media Silent as Poll Workers Contract Covid-19 at Primaries That DNC, Biden Campaign Claimed Were Safe

https://fair.org/home/media-silent-as-poll-workers-contract-covid-19-at-primaries-that-dnc-biden-campaign-claimed-were-safe/

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"Donald Trump is the single individual in US society most responsible for spreading dangerous misinformation about Covid-19 in the midst of a global pandemic. Anyone who echoes him, or his administration’s entreaties to not take going out in public too seriously, is engaging in public endangerment. Anyone who actively encourages people to gather in mass, and in close proximity, is doing so at a mass scale.

So why, in contravention of CDC guidelines and health experts’ urgings, did the DNC and Joe Biden’s campaign do just that at immense scale earlier this month, as major cities were already closing up public spaces? And why have media that have deservedly taken Trump and his administration to task for their fatal failures not done the same with Democratic leadership?

If a senior adviser to President Donald Trump falsely claimed on national television that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) had declared that it was safe to vote in person, despite its actual recommendation to the contrary, the adviser and the president would be rightly condemned by much of corporate media as, at best, incompetent and ignorant, and, at worst, dishonest and reckless in encouraging people to put their lives at risk.

And if poll workers had contracted Covid-19 at locations which violated CDC recommendations, the adviser and the president would be rightly blamed for exposing them to the virus.

Yet after the CDC on March 15 advised the public to cancel all gatherings of more than 50 people, a senior adviser to Joe Biden, the current frontrunning Democratic presidential candidate, went on CNN (3/15/20) and claimed the CDC had deemed in-person voting safe. And not a single major media outlet reported on it."

  

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118. "NY presidential primary is delayed to June"
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absolutely GREAT news from both a public health perspective as well as for our national political debate...

now bernie's real-time case study for medicare-for-all and true economic justice set against a peaking pandemic versus the "nothing will fundamentally change" biden corporate worldview (he actually said this to rich donors) gets a far deeper look for NY voters and the world.

as of today biden has 40% of the needed delegates. bernie has 30%.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/cuomo-announces-new-york-s-presidential-primary-is-delayed-to-june-81331781744?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma

  

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119. "Yeah, I'm maintaining Trump isn't coming back from this"
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we already have the most cases on earth and we're not at our peak. He had a few day period or so where he seemed to at least be listening to experts, but now with each day, he just looks more petty and incompetent, and at the literal cost of human lives.

the excuse his defenders seem to be hanging on to right now is that China is lying about their numbers but even if they are, what about the rest of the world? No one is accusing Korea of lying about having their shit together

he'll get a couple short term poll bumps here and there but his distraction antics can only get him so far. when the smoke clears he's over.

the real concern is the cost for the rest of us.

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