https://twitter.com/AfricanaCarr/status/1189032579552436225

Dr. Carr posted her NPR Tinydesk performance and said "Without Comment" in a passive aggressive way. Then proceeded to state that he was not commenting on the content, although he did do that passive aggressively as well, but he was more concerned about the fact that she was not giving the clean version of her notoriously raunchy music. Dr. Carr tried to defend his position by posting an article he wrote for The Root about Larry Wilmore telling President Obama at the White House Correspondents Dinner "You did it, my nigga." The conclusion of that article didn't actually defend Carr's passive aggressive assertions though, because he comes to the conclusion that Wilmore's use of the word was somehow a freeing of Black people from the yoke of white oppression because it was used to express affinity while making whites uncomfortable.

I agree with many of the women who argued with Dr. Carr saying he was throwing a stone and hiding his hand by not standing up for how he felt about Megan's performance in his initial thoughts. It's a function of twitter that his initial impulse was to repost the performance and not give his full thoughts on the issue, probably because he knew that his thoughts were going to be misogynistic and patriarchal. Dr. Carr missed the Wu-Tang performance on Tinydesk and the myriad other hiphop performances at Tinydesk that have not been censored, although they are toned down from general performances in clubs, arenas, or stadiums.

In my opinion Megan is part of commercial hiphop now, just the same as Cardi B and any have stated on here before that the way commercial hiphop and she will have the stigma of college stripper attached to her public persona for the rest of her career, the same way male commercial rappers in the late 90s and 00s were seen as glorified drug dealers, murderers, pimps and thugs.


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Meg is in college
Meg's guardian angel in hip hop is Q-Tip
Meg can actually rap rap
Meg has not had surgery
Meg has alter egos

Comparing Meg to any other female rapper land in the same minefield as comparing Rapsody to other females rappers

She should be compared to the Pimp C/Project Pat

______________________________________

Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

I meant to imply that her initial introduction to the mainstream, commercial rap world is through a series of songs where she has on stripper outfits, in full makeup, rapping about having sex with rich men and being in a man's wallet and finessing men...all things that strippers are wont to do.

Commercial rap is a constant set of comparisons. The entire industry of commercial hiphop is an exercise in creating a recognizable brand that fits within a certain genre, making the introduction of ones brand identity into the commercial formula that much easier to attract the casual listeners attention. Rapsody is not at commercial level yet.

Commercial rappers never sold dope, never murdered anybody, never met Manuel Noriega, never had threesomes, never held more than a few thousand dollars in their hands. They actually went to college, got married, don't call each other nigga in every other sentence and live nice respectable lives. The PUBLIC PERSONA, their brand, is totally different.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

it'd sure be refreshing to see/hear her do something....different with her talents.

for male rappers that have rapping about raunchy shit forever. snoop still talks about crippin. all of these dudes are still talking about drugs, sex, and money. she should continue to do what she decides, just like they do.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

his catalog is actually one of the most diverse in rap.
For me, the question is why do Black women rappers have to be sex dolls in order to get mainstream, popular acclaim?

but it wasn't like that until a few albums in. she's got one official album. give her time. she may change the content or she won't.

the ladies don't have to do that just like snoop didn't have to make his brand of rap. again, the ladies are being asked to acquiesce and the men are not. at least not at the same level.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

Rap is the most scrutinized genre of songwriting, ever. Male rappers get literally murdered and people shrug it off cuz of "rap lyrics".

and regard.
ESPECIALLY knowing that THIS is the type image that gets pushed to the forefront and THIS is the type of image that my daughters are more likely to stumble on.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

double standards are fantastic, especially since you have daughters.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

there has been a constant recoil and backlash from the community regarding the presentation of blackness in popular culture and popular music especially. Books have been written about the objectification and commodification of black women in rap music. BET faced backlash for its promotion of stripper culture in videos like Nelly's "Tip Drill" followed up with the constant mocking of his famed "Pimp Juice" energy drink. People have made documentaries confronting the hypersexualization and hyperviolence of popular rap music and its effects on black youth culture. The artists who created this website made a video about the sham of mid 90s consumer culture and the crazy attraction to black youth dysfunction and gang culture in rap videos shown on shows like Yo! MTV Raps .

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

not that it doesn't happen at all. the women get way more scrutiny that the dudes.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

while Saweetie and her 8 figure niggas, Cardi B and her 'Money', and Megan the stallion continue to win awards and get all the radio play

i haven't seen any women rappers mocking the strippers the same way male rappers mock the drug dealers, fake gang members, and fake thugs

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

>while Saweetie and her 8 figure niggas, Cardi B and her
>'Money', and Megan the stallion continue to win awards and get
>all the radio play
>
there haven't traditionally been more than a couple that have been able to get through.


>i haven't seen any women rappers mocking the strippers the
>same way male rappers mock the drug dealers, fake gang
>members, and fake thugs

in the main, that's correct. but everybody aint gonna be Lauryn, Latifah, or Rapsody.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

Man this image is not new. The exposure (15 mins of fame) might be new but the hypersexualized role they're playing is not.


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has imported democracy.

I'm saying the number of women reaching these levels is new.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

Than it used to be.


There's always been sexualized songs/lyrics but usually they used euphemisms and innuendo instead of just OUT RIGHT saying things

(Madonna was singing about being a "Material Girl" back in the 80s which pretty much translated to having sex/giving attention for large sums of money)


Nowadays I hear ads on regular day time radio that has (bleeped out) swearing in it

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

embarrassed in front of white folks. thats your damage not hers.

<--- Big Baller World Order

when a black college student has to dumb herself down to appeal to white America, shit is more degrading than it is embarrassing.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

small..
mine ain't.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

she doesn't promote her other shit nearly as much as she does the sex and money

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

you do know she has not put out an album right?

______________________________________

Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-1kHxsavI

& I like Meg...but yeah.
Acoustic hood lyrics in a gentrified bookstore for the NPR set is always cringey as fuck

man i like the performance lol

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Context matters and performing her song for a crowd of black people dancing and vibing with her is way different than performing in an office for white folks sitting and gazing at her like some exoticism is different.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

are security, maintenance and cafeteria workers.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Despise, don't date, look down on and distance themselves from working class black people in every way possible.

To put Meghan on this platform is so messy and feeds so much into the white execs using hip hop execs to degrading black people formula that seems to work so well.

Sad.

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
Heart & Mind

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

that breaking away from ethical and moral guidance of their elders is more authentic blackness. White media spreads the propaganda that rebellion is the only authentic way to exercise your Blackness and that celebrities in sports and entertainment are the guideposts of moral and ethical reasoning.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

I don't know the brother at all. But I see that he has worked at Howard for a minute and is often speaking up and off about improving the lives of black people. Now dude might be a misogynist. I don't know enough about him to say he is not. But if I wanted to find out if he were a misogynist I would want to hear from the loads of black women who take his class, work with him or know him personally. I am not going to decide he is a misogynist based off one vague tweet or even him not liking the language Meg used to perform for the NPR crowd. And what's even crazier to me is if I voiced this position on twitter, I'd be label a misogynist too. SMH.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Instead of focusing attention on something positive that reflects what you feel should be more representative, you direct your energy to the degradation of someone having a modicum of success in a method you don't agree with. With an added splash of sexism and hypocrisy.

We're all guilty of it I suppose but...seems it's too often the default approach. Why not open channels so she can succeed without doing it the way you don't like (or so that the next big female rapper won't have to)? Or, how about let her do her and you ignore it if you ain't feeling it? Nah, those things are too much like reasonable I guess.

____________

I am invested in how black youth culture is represented, especially in majority white spaces. If a rapper's modicum of success is based on the tried and true method of promoting the most degrading elements of our culture and adopting them as some sort of badge of honor then yes, they will be scrutinized. You are adopting oppression and acting like you are breaking ground because there is an audience. That shit ain't to be celebrated.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

If you are invested in how black youth culture is represented, then create the representation you seek them having exposure to, educate them on the the ones you think are irresponsible and why and promote images that you believe are representative.

I take offense to what you are ascribing to 'our culture' as if we cornered the market on degradation, sexualization and capitalism. You are adopting oppression by making these things exclusive to 'our culture' while also slapping a 'you people' stench on the collective of black people. Also, generally assuming we aren't intelligent enough to separate message from entertainment.

You want deep rooted, stick to your ribs lyricism, from the female POV...stream some Rapsody. You want down south bounce, party music with femme aggression...stream some Meagan. And it's great that we have both options. Individualism is the companion of freedom.

It's funny that you think your opinion aimed to control someone else's narrative isn't a form of oppression. To turn your phrase, you are adopting oppression and acting like it's to the benefit of anyone but yourself. You don't think there's a better approach to this?

____________

>If you are invested in how black youth culture is
>represented, then create the representation you seek them
>having exposure to, educate them on the the ones you think are
>irresponsible and why and promote images that you believe are
>representative.

lol I do that and will continue to do so, thanks.

>I take offense to what you are ascribing to 'our culture' as
>if we cornered the market on degradation, sexualization and
>capitalism.

Words I never said

You are adopting oppression by making these
>things exclusive to 'our culture'

-No, I'm saying that these things are being presented in white mainstream media as exclusive to our culture. It is clearly not exclusive when you are within the culture, however, most of these white media executives and the audiences that follow them live in highly segregated communities and couldn't separate megan from rapsody if they were working in the cubicle right next to them.

while also slapping a 'you
>people' stench on the collective of black people. Also,
>generally assuming we aren't intelligent enough to separate
>message from entertainment.

I do think people are intelligent which is why I ask people to pay attention to the shit that mainstream media is presenting to us and have a critical eye on who is presenting it and why. I ascribe a great deal of power to persuasive advertising, marketing, peer pressure, and brand identification. I assume that a small percentage of people under the age of 24 who are coming from certain backgrounds are more susceptible to the most negative messaging that is coming from white owned media and are not always aware of the consequences of their actions.





>You want deep rooted, stick to your ribs lyricism, from the
>female POV...stream some Rapsody. You want down south bounce,
>party music with femme aggression...stream some Meagan. And
>it's great that we have both options.

More words I never said. Never mentioned her lyricism. I think she's very lyrical and I'd rather listen to Megan than Rapsody anyway.

Individualism is the >companion of freedom.

Spoken like a true libertarian! I don't only ask Megan to be responsible about the shit she says, who she says it to, when she says it, and how she says it. I definitely expect people who have provided her with a platform to be responsible for what they are promoting and presenting. My complaint is actually not even about Megan thee Stallion, it's about white owned media.


>It's funny that you think your opinion aimed to control
>someone else's narrative isn't a form of oppression. To turn
>your phrase, you are adopting oppression and acting like it's
>to the benefit of anyone but yourself. You don't think
>there's a better approach to this?

There are several approaches. One is to present the fact that the hypersexualization of black women in commercial hiphop is a consistent trope that encourages impressionable young women to engage in anti-social behavior and programs men to believe that women are only good for sex and should be manipulated into positions where they can be trafficked. Another approach is to, like you said, create alternative sources of media, alternative identities, and to educate people on the bullshit that white media does. Another approach is to consistently educate young men on their responsibility to avoid dehumanizing women into sexual objects and degrading themselves by only thinking with their dicks.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

>lol I do that and will continue to do so, thanks.

Kudos fam and I respect that. But I said that to point to the fact that criticism of Megan directly (when you yourself later admit is a symptom, not the cause) isn't how this should be done. This was Dr. Carr's (passive-aggressive) approach and then you drove this down in your OP:

"she will have the stigma of college stripper attached to her public persona for the rest of her career, the same way male commercial rappers in the late 90s and 00s were seen as glorified drug dealers, murderers, pimps and thugs."

This assumes...

1) Black People can't just 'entertain' without it being a direct reflection of who they are.

2) That Megan was ever a stripper (she wasn't).

3) Black rappers can't and don't grow. When to the contrary, Ice Cube, Snoop, Jay-Z, Nas, Scarface...all OG's who've grown over the course of their careers and represent very different things than when they started...and others have set various examples of black rappers growing beyond those stigmas.

>>I take offense to what you are ascribing to 'our culture' as
>>if we cornered the market on degradation, sexualization and
>>capitalism.
>
>Words I never said

Were these not your words?

"If a rapper's modicum of success is based on the tried and true method of promoting the most degrading elements of our culture and adopting them as some sort of badge of honor then yes, they will be scrutinized."

While not a direct quote, based on the 'college stripper' assumption made and the slant to 'degrading elements', I deduced sexualization and capitalism were the basis for your position.

>-No, I'm saying that these things are being presented in white
>mainstream media as exclusive to our culture. It is clearly
>not exclusive when you are within the culture, however, most
>of these white media executives and the audiences that follow
>them live in highly segregated communities and couldn't
>separate megan from rapsody if they were working in the
>cubicle right next to them.

If you ever perused country music, you'd hear a lot about heavy drinking, guns, women and small town rural living. I'm sure the artist and executives that promote these artist don't all live that lifestyle but they recognize it as a money maker. As they do with 'trap' hiphop. Ultimately, what sells is the capitalists agenda.

No one put a gun to anyone's head and said 'shake your a** and rap about money' or 'talk about selling drugs and shooting ops'. And no one put a gun to anyone's head and said 'you must listen to these messages'.

But, people listen to it, gravitate towards it. Ultimately, people like action/drama and those themes provide it and black people do this in their own unique way which other's find provocative. There's money to be made in that and someone will always invest in it.

Most media is white media. They are gonna promote what makes $$ and provocation is top of the list in entertainment (be it movies, music, books, recreation). But Black Media does the same thing when left to its own devices. Because $.


>I do think people are intelligent which is why I ask people to
>pay attention to the shit that mainstream media is presenting
>to us and have a critical eye on who is presenting it and why.

We've been doing this for eons. It's not new and Megan isn't some sort of embarrassment because she chose to do entertainment the way she is. Tiny desk has had: H.E.R., Summer Walker, Lizzo, Brittany Howard, Ari Lennox, Rhiannon Giddens, Nicole Bus, Tasha Cobbs Leonard, Georgia Ann Muldrow, Leikeli47, Nao, Cécile McLorin Salvant.

So based on that lineup, I'd say this particular form of 'white media' has given a platform for a wide variety of black women entertainers for the world to discover and enjoy. Singling out Megan as some sort of beacon was just lazy in my opinion.

>I ascribe a great deal of power to persuasive advertising,
>marketing, peer pressure, and brand identification. I assume
>that a small percentage of people under the age of 24 who are
>coming from certain backgrounds are more susceptible to the
>most negative messaging that is coming from white owned media
>and are not always aware of the consequences of their actions.

So...again, we are back to black people not being intelligent enough to recognize "persuasive advertising, marketing, peer pressure, and brand identification" enough to make up their own minds as to what they prefer to consume?

Like, you don't think we know there are other options (lol hell NPR's Tiny Desks provides a nice list alone)? This is like saying, if a network targeted an add aimed at black people which they hoped to provoke blacks to eat fertilizer, a large faction of black people would be susceptible to it. While I don't discount that there is power in the entities you listed, I don't deeply discount personal choice and accountability. I listened to NWA growing up and still went to college and never joined a gang or shot anyone. Most of the people I know who listened to NWA didn't either and I think we're in the majority.

>More words I never said. Never mentioned her lyricism. I
>think she's very lyrical and I'd rather listen to Megan than
>Rapsody anyway.

Fair. However, my point was, it's ok to have the options without feeling some sort of guilt over choosing to listen to/consume Megan's preferred choice of entertainment.


>Spoken like a true libertarian! I don't only ask Megan to be
>responsible about the shit she says, who she says it to, when
>she says it, and how she says it.

Is this responsibility leveled to every entertainer, no matter gender, race creed or color? Do you hold all artist, no matter the medium, to this level of standard?

I definitely expect people
>who have provided her with a platform to be responsible for
>what they are promoting and presenting. My complaint is
>actually not even about Megan thee Stallion, it's about white
>owned media.

Then why was the OP a highlight of her performance on NPR (which typically has a very diverse make up of artist) and not a critique of Lyor Cohen, 300 Entertainment or Atlantic Records Execs? Why not start the narrative there, put their names in the public eye and create enough noise to force them to address some of these concerns.

Megan chose the words, chose the career, chose the topics, ok'd the outfits. At any point, she could have said no. These are things she 'wants' to do. She will grow and change as she gets older hopefully but that's where she is right now.

>There are several approaches. One is to present the fact that
>the hypersexualization of black women in commercial hiphop is
>a consistent trope that encourages impressionable young women
>to engage in anti-social behavior and programs men to believe
>that women are only good for sex and should be manipulated
>into positions where they can be trafficked.

Again, we are back to black people not being intelligent enough to recognize "persuasive advertising, marketing, peer pressure, and brand identification" enough to make up their own minds as to what they prefer to consume.

I can watch John Wick murder 100 people and realize that murder is wrong. I can watch Menace II Society and realize I don't ever want to be in a gang. I can watch/listen to Megan thee Stallion and still respect the women in my life, understand that her message is entertainment only and I can teach my daughters the difference too.

*Shrug*

Another approach
>is to, like you said, create alternative sources of media,
>alternative identities, and to educate people on the bullshit
>that white media does. Another approach is to consistently
>educate young men on their responsibility to avoid
>dehumanizing women into sexual objects and degrading
>themselves by only thinking with their dicks.

All valid a better and don't require tearing down a black woman.

____________

>>lol I do that and will continue to do so, thanks.
>
>Kudos fam and I respect that. But I said that to point to the
>fact that criticism of Megan directly (when you yourself later
>admit is a symptom, not the cause) isn't how this should be
>done. This was Dr. Carr's (passive-aggressive) approach and
>then you drove this down in your OP:
>
>"she will have the stigma of college stripper attached to her
>public persona for the rest of her career, the same way male
>commercial rappers in the late 90s and 00s were seen as
>glorified drug dealers, murderers, pimps and thugs."
>
>This assumes...
>
>1) Black People can't just 'entertain' without it being a
>direct reflection of who they are.

I am assuming that certain audiences can't distinguish entertainment from reality. I'm generally stereotyping by age, not race. You keep saying that I think less of black people, I'm generally talking about impressionable youth of any ethnicity although the effect of stereotyping through "entertainment" on black kids may be different from that of white kids.


>
>2) That Megan was ever a stripper (she wasn't).

You are being naive if you think that this image she is portraying is not of a stripper, or stripper adjacent. I'm not saying Megan is a stripper, I'm saying her rap image is that of a stripper.

>
>3) Black rappers can't and don't grow. When to the contrary,
>Ice Cube, Snoop, Jay-Z, Nas, Scarface...all OG's who've grown
>over the course of their careers and represent very different
>things than when they started...and others have set various
>examples of black rappers growing beyond those stigmas.

I think you're being naive if you think that the entire gangster rapper image that those men introduced themselves as does not play a role in how they are perceived today. Also, your being naive about the perception of them at the time being broader than the image that they presented.

>>>I take offense to what you are ascribing to 'our culture'
>as
>>>if we cornered the market

This is what I am objecting to. I never said that our culture cornered the market on this shit. I said that white people are presenting the shit as if its exclusive to black people.

on degradation, sexualization and
>>>capitalism.
>>
>>Words I never said
>
>Were these not your words?
>
>"If a rapper's modicum of success is based on the tried and
>true method of promoting the most degrading elements of our
>culture and adopting them as some sort of badge of honor then
>yes, they will be scrutinized."
>
>While not a direct quote, based on the 'college stripper'
>assumption made and the slant to 'degrading elements', I
>deduced sexualization and capitalism were the basis for your
>position.

She's selling sex. Listen to her lyrics. Look at her image. She calls her fans, hotties. I dont' think she's cornered the market on selling sex and I don't even think she is solely selling sex, but her most popular songs are about sex.

>>-No, I'm saying that these things are being presented in
>white
>>mainstream media as exclusive to our culture.


It is clearly
>>not exclusive when you are within the culture, however, most
>>of these white media executives and the audiences that
>follow
>>them live in highly segregated communities and couldn't
>>separate megan from rapsody if they were working in the
>>cubicle right next to them.
>
>If you ever perused country music, you'd hear a lot about
>heavy drinking, guns, women and small town rural living. I'm
>sure the artist and executives that promote these artist don't
>all live that lifestyle but they recognize it as a money
>maker. As they do with 'trap' hiphop. Ultimately, what sells
>is the capitalists agenda.

And country artists are rebelling against these stereotypes!


>No one put a gun to anyone's head and said 'shake your a** and
>rap about money' or 'talk about selling drugs and shooting
>ops'. And no one put a gun to anyone's head and said 'you
>must listen to these messages'.

You're being naive again. Record labels and radio stations don't put a gun to your head, they put some money in your hand. Some people like Suge might put a gun to your head tho.

>
>But, people listen to it, gravitate towards it. Ultimately,
>people like action/drama and those themes provide it and black
>people do this in their own unique way which other's find
>provocative. There's money to be made in that and someone
>will always invest in it.
>
>Most media is white media. They are gonna promote what makes
>$$ and provocation is top of the list in entertainment (be it
>movies, music, books, recreation). But Black Media does the
>same thing when left to its own devices. Because $.

So we trading money for morals now. Sounds like some stripper shit. Glad you're being on the level.

>
>
>>I do think people are intelligent which is why I ask people
>to
>>pay attention to the shit that mainstream media is
>presenting
>>to us and have a critical eye on who is presenting it and
>why.
>

>We've been doing this for eons.

we who??? the people who are just finding out Cardi B has had plastic surgery?

It's not new and Megan isn't
>some sort of embarrassment
because she chose to do
>entertainment the way she is.

-Nobody is embarrassed by Trina. Nobody is embarrassed by Gangsta Boo. Khia was sort of embarrassing because her shit was very corny.

Tiny desk has had:
H.E.R.,>Summer Walker (RNB)
Lizzo
Brittany Howard (A country singer)
Ari Lennox (RNB)
Rhiannon
>Giddens, (FOLK)
Nicole Bus (RNB)
Tasha Cobbs Leonard (Gospel)
Georgia Ann Muldrow, (can we get back to black youth)
Leikeli47 (the girl who raps with a facemask, tho i am a fan)
Nao (more rnb)
Cécile McLorin Salvant (i see you've given up on youth culture)


Also, some of these artists do get play on broadcast radio, cordoned off on rap and rnb stations away from top 40, rock, and jazz although they make music across genres.

>So based on that lineup, I'd say this particular form of
>'white media' has given a platform for a wide variety of black
>women entertainers for the world to discover and enjoy.
>Singling out Megan as some sort of beacon was just lazy in my
>opinion.
>
>>I ascribe a great deal of power to persuasive advertising,
>>marketing, peer pressure, and brand identification. I assume
>>that a small percentage of people under the age of 24 who
>are
>>coming from certain backgrounds are more susceptible to the
>>most negative messaging that is coming from white owned
>media
>>and are not always aware of the consequences of their
>actions.
>
>So...again, we are back to black people not being intelligent
>enough to recognize "persuasive advertising, marketing, peer
>pressure, and brand identification" enough to make up their
>own minds as to what they prefer to consume?

No it's about what people are being paid to promote, like you said earlier.

>
>Like, you don't think we know there are other options (lol
>hell NPR's Tiny Desks provides a nice list alone)?


This is
>like saying, if a network targeted an add aimed at black
>people which they hoped to provoke blacks to eat fertilizer, a
>large faction of black people would be susceptible to it.

Popeyes thanks you.

>While I don't discount that there is power in the entities you
>listed, I don't deeply discount personal choice and
>accountability. I listened to NWA growing up and still went
>to college and never joined a gang or shot anyone. Most of
>the people I know who listened to NWA didn't either and I
>think we're in the majority.

Your college going self is not in the majority. Tell me, did the misogyny of NWA, snoop dogg, too short, geto boys, dj quik, mc eiht affect you at all?

>
>>More words I never said. Never mentioned her lyricism. I
>>think she's very lyrical and I'd rather listen to Megan than
>>Rapsody anyway.
>
>Fair. However, my point was, it's ok to have the options
>without feeling some sort of guilt over choosing to listen
>to/consume Megan's preferred choice of entertainment.
>
>
>>Spoken like a true libertarian! I don't only ask Megan to be
>>responsible about the shit she says, who she says it to,
>when
>>she says it, and how she says it.
>
>Is this responsibility leveled to every entertainer, no matter
>gender, race creed or color? Do you hold all artist, no
>matter the medium, to this level of standard?
>
>I definitely expect people
>>who have provided her with a platform to be responsible for
>>what they are promoting and presenting. My complaint is
>>actually not even about Megan thee Stallion, it's about
>white
>>owned media.
>
>Then why was the OP a highlight of her performance on NPR
>(which typically has a very diverse make up of artist) and not
>a critique of Lyor Cohen, 300 Entertainment or Atlantic
>Records Execs? Why not start the narrative there, put their
>names in the public eye and create enough noise to force them
>to address some of these concerns.
>
>Megan chose the words, chose the career, chose the topics,
>ok'd the outfits. At any point, she could have said no.
>These are things she 'wants' to do. She will grow and change
>as she gets older hopefully but that's where she is right
>now.
>
>>There are several approaches. One is to present the fact
>that
>>the hypersexualization of black women in commercial hiphop
>is
>>a consistent trope that encourages impressionable young
>women
>>to engage in anti-social behavior and programs men to
>believe
>>that women are only good for sex and should be manipulated
>>into positions where they can be trafficked.
>
>Again, we are back to black people not being intelligent
>enough to recognize "persuasive advertising, marketing, peer
>pressure, and brand identification" enough to make up their
>own minds as to what they prefer to consume.
>
>I can watch John Wick murder 100 people and realize that
>murder is wrong. I can watch Menace II Society and realize I
>don't ever want to be in a gang. I can watch/listen to Megan
>thee Stallion and still respect the women in my life,
>understand that her message is entertainment only and I can
>teach my daughters the difference too.
>
>*Shrug*
>
>Another approach
>>is to, like you said, create alternative sources of media,
>>alternative identities, and to educate people on the
>bullshit
>>that white media does. Another approach is to consistently
>>educate young men on their responsibility to avoid
>>dehumanizing women into sexual objects and degrading
>>themselves by only thinking with their dicks.
>
>All valid a better and don't require tearing down a black
>woman.
>
>


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

>I am assuming that certain audiences can't distinguish
>entertainment from reality. I'm generally stereotyping by
>age, not race. You keep saying that I think less of black
>people, I'm generally talking about impressionable youth of
>any ethnicity although the effect of stereotyping through
>"entertainment" on black kids may be different from that of
>white kids.

This is probably where parenting and community should take over. The world will never be at a deficit of imagery that's disturbing (including stereotyping). I also find it interesting you think the effects of these things differ by race. Hmmm...


>You are being naive if you think that this image she is
>portraying is not of a stripper, or stripper adjacent. I'm not
>saying Megan is a stripper, I'm saying her rap image is that
>of a stripper.

When I think of Megan, I don't think stripper. I think young college chick talking mad sh*t dancing at the club with her friends. Hell, I don't even think she's that choosey. Every chick that twerks in booty shorts ain't on the pole or out thotting. ESPECIALLY, black women. I think you're generalizing on some 'back in my day' old man steez but we had 2 Live Crew fam. That dance started with "DOO-DOO BROWN!"


>I think you're being naive if you think that the entire
>gangster rapper image that those men introduced themselves as
>does not play a role in how they are perceived today. Also,
>your being naive about the perception of them at the time
>being broader than the image that they presented.

Cube has network deals and his own sports league, Face is one of the soundest dudes I've ever heard speak and is actively involved in politics, Snoop is a pop icon respected across various media, entertainment and musical genres, Jay is hiphop's first Billionaire who's owned an NBA team, multiple record imprints, a streaming service and a sports agency, Nas is mentoring younger rappers and has various business ventures moving including an investment firm.

^^^You think ganster rapper's get these type of deals done? Come on man. My point was, they can grow and the perception changes, which it has. You said Megan will only be viewed as 'College Stripper'. She can't become respected business woman with her own make up line (i.e. Rihanna)? She's just stuck that way forever huh?


>This is what I am objecting to. I never said that our culture
>cornered the market on this sh*t. I said that white people
>are presenting the sh*t as if its exclusive to black people.

The only concession I'll make here is, there definitely could be waaaay more diversity in all entertainment for black representation. But, you don't think the audience and their preferences (what they buy) have any influence on these decisions.

If we had 100 Chance the Rappers, J.Cole's, Common's, Kendrick's, etc and people bought MILLIONS of records/Streamed billions of times of these guys...you don't think we'd be seeing a continued focus there?

Chance's most recent album got panned because it was basically "I love my wife".


>She's selling sex. Listen to her lyrics. Look at her image.
>She calls her fans, hotties. I dont' think she's cornered the
>market on selling sex and I don't even think she is solely
>selling sex, but her most popular songs are about sex.

Sex is the hottest selling commodity in the world. Your point? Sex is sold in like 75% of what we do on a daily basis; clothes, sports, movies, music, cars, food...whatever. You want people to buy something, put a little sex in it.


>And country artists are rebelling against these stereotypes!

Not if you listen to pop country radio. How can you rebel if you aren't changing the content?


>You're being naive again. Record labels and radio stations
>don't put a gun to your head, they put some money in your
>hand. Some people like Suge might put a gun to your head
>tho.

lol @ Suge. So, let me ask; you think Megan rapped in a different way prior to getting signed? Like she was pushed to do what she does after they inked her deal? Or was that what she chose to do because she liked it? Also, labels and stations don't force consumers to listen. Consumers have a choice. And if they don't support it, neither with the companies.


>So we trading money for morals now. Sounds like some stripper
>shit. Glad you're being on the level.

Morally, I don't think people should spend 8-10 hours a day (including commute), 5-6 days a week, working to make someone else money while receiving a fraction of the companies profits all while neglecting being with their family more and enjoying their lives. It goes against all that I believe life should be.

But I do it. Because $ and it's the system I was unfortunately bound to since birth. I really think almost half of our lives is exchanging morals for money. Every time you pay to watch an action movie where someone is murdered, you're exchanging morals for money (that is unless you support murder).

This is the ultimate 'Holier than thou' view point.

>>We've been doing this for eons.
>
>we who??? the people who are just finding out Cardi B has had
>plastic surgery?

Black people have always had a critical eye on how we are perceived in media. From blackface, to silent movies, to the damn news. It's naive to think people don't get it.

>-Nobody is embarrassed by Trina. Nobody is embarrassed by
>Gangsta Boo. Khia was sort of embarrassing because her shit
>was very corny.

Hahahahahaha...you don't think people were embarrased by:

https://genius.com/Trick-daddy-nann-nigga-lyrics

Go ahead and read them Trina lyrics. This was her introduction to the world.

Gangsta Boo's Debut Album track list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enquiring_Minds
Gotta love 5, 6, 7 and 11...wonder what she's selling.

Keep in mind that Three-6 had their own label at the time and could put out ANYTHING they wanted and this was the product of it.


>Tiny desk has had:
>H.E.R.,>Summer Walker (RNB)
> Lizzo
> Brittany Howard (A country singer)
> Ari Lennox (RNB)
> Rhiannon
>>Giddens, (FOLK)
> Nicole Bus (RNB)
>Tasha Cobbs Leonard (Gospel)
> Georgia Ann Muldrow, (can we get back to black youth)
>Leikeli47 (the girl who raps with a facemask, tho i am a fan)
> Nao (more rnb)
> Cécile McLorin Salvant (i see you've given up on youth
>culture)
>
>
>Also, some of these artists do get play on broadcast radio,
>cordoned off on rap and rnb stations away from top 40, rock,
>and jazz although they make music across genres.

>No it's about what people are being paid to promote, like you
>said earlier.

They are being paid to promote what they choose to talk about and people are buying. It's funny because in today's media, consumers create artist waaaaaaay more than media conglomerates do. Labels find artists that are already buzzing based on views/streams, etc and throw money behind them. They are less hand picked because of their message.

I also find it curious that hiphop has to be the qualifier for imagery for all black females. You stated that media choice is the issue but then when shown that the same platform that showcased Megan also showcased a wide variety of artists, you pawned it off on genre. I dunno fam, seems like this a really obtuse angle.


>Popeyes thanks you.

Not sure what this means. If you're implying we eat chicken because of marketing then I call bullsh*t.


>Your college going self is not in the majority. Tell me, did
>the misogyny of NWA, snoop dogg, too short, geto boys, dj
>quik, mc eiht affect you at all?

You're telling me that there's this whole generational movement of drug dealing, gangstas shooting people randomly going on? So out of the 42 some odd million Black people in this country, most of them fall in this category? Like, haven't we ALL been exposed to this imagery most of our lives?

And to answer your question, no, the messages in those songs were pretty much entertainment for me because I had a strong mother and a little sister. I didn't devalue women based on what I expected them to be because most times I didn't know their full story. And even if those songs/artist influenced some of my perception, they did no more so than Pulp Fiction or Goodfellas or Pretty Woman or Striptease or Indecent Proposal or Boomerang or ...

I was smart enough to evaluate people on my comfort level with who they were when I met them, what I learned about them and how I figured they would mesh with my life. Especially, girls/women.

I think most people are capable of this and should be expected to move as such.

You call some of my thoughts naive but I think it's naive of you to believe that the world should follow your moral compass. You could live 1 million lifetimes and that'll never be the case.

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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

That was... something.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

have someone on there spitting a bunch of slurs about jewish people.

This looks like a yt slave owner's wet dream.

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I never understand how this gets a pass for black culture but no other culutre on the planet will allow someone to degrade their women the way black women are publically degrade for profit.

The black folks who approve this would never date/marry/protect/ love a black woman who looks like or sounds like Meg or Cardi B. They are waiting for racial others to build families with but sell hypersexual black women to make money.

If you wouldn't feed this to anyone in your home, why would you feed it to me?

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
Heart & Mind

>I never understand how this gets a pass for black culture but
>no other culutre on the planet will allow someone to degrade
>their women the way black women are publically degrade for
>profit.
>
>The black folks who approve this would never
>date/marry/protect/ love a black woman who looks like or
>sounds like Meg or Cardi B. They are waiting for racial others
>to build families with but sell hypersexual black women to
>make money.
>
>If you wouldn't feed this to anyone in your home, why would
>you feed it to me?


Because a significant number of Black people think this is a display of unfettered Black culture at its finest. Where many of us see degradation, they see affirmation. This is unapologetic feminism. She is in control and has a right to display her truth. She wants your applause, not your disdain. No other race would do this because no other race is like Black people.

She’s getting paid...

Everything has been figured out except how to live.

Hate the, "But he/she getting paid" logic. But I guess that is a part of how low we value ourselves.

Somehow black female expression and feminism always has to do with sucking dicks, getting money and selling our bodies. Oh how liberating!

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
Heart & Mind

Sad times.

Everything has been figured out except how to live.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

this article goes in depth as to why
https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/jezebel/index.htm

The jist of it is whites want to control the image of a black woman as a whore.

Byron Allen was on the breakfast club recently and was asked by a white guy "why is it so important that you have black ownership than black targeted?". Allen ask him "are you comfortable with me controlling the images of your daughters and how they perceive/depict themselves in the world?" White guy said "No". Allen said I want the samething for my daughters.


So in a sense, a Megan The Stallion, is being puppeteered by a white system that views black women as hypersexual animals and they must be treated as such. Yet, black feminists will tell you otherwise that she's in control of her art, her body, her image, blah blah blah, but ignore the high percentage of murder-rapes amongst themselves than any group.

take a message

Black men have also controlled the popular image and formation of identity of Black women within Black youth culture and for the past 30 years the image was at best as his sidekick. I don't disagree with Black feminists on the need for showing women who are just as in control of their sexual enjoyment as men. I may bristle at it because I am jealous of people who can be unapologetically promiscuous or I want to control Black women. I also recognize that a lot of Black men want their wives to be the same that white men wanted of their wives as docile homemakers. We want to control the womb and think of women as only being good for making babies and carrying on our legacy.

I think the issue is that if she cant get fame and celebrity speaking to black women about their sexual pleasure, It's not her fault. It's our fault as men who are not stepping up to confront our own misogyny and sexism. She should be able to say these things to her audience and not be perceived as a whore or stripper. Megan is expressing that she is in control of her own sexual pleasure. She isn't a whore. She should be able to say what she wants but these white media companies are the ones that keep stereotyping black women as jezebels.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

If this is what she wants to do... well, that’s on her.

This whole “ it’s our fault” shit is old and tired.

Sex sells and she is selling it.

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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

for the last 30 years?

Please say rap/hip hop music so I can flame you into Bolivian....

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watched BET?
listened to black radio?



America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

Jet?
Black Enterprise?

BET is no longer owned by us and they were awesome until the started chasing after MTV.

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The male editors and writers idolized light skin women while denying women the opportunity to write for the magazines and focusing articles about women on how they could best fulfill their roles as wives and mothers. Not only were black men the gatekeepers into popular culture they defined how black women should be perceived within Black culture, not just through the media but also through religion, education, and politics. I am speaking in absolutes but there are always exceptions to the rule.

Hip-hop has been the prime example since its inception of how Black male a&rs and the tastes of Black men will be prioritized within Black youth culture to the detriment of many talented Black women. Go ask Alfred Liggins how many women program directors he had at radio one throughout the 90s and 2000s. I am not sure if Stephen Hill still retains the programming reigns at BET. Regardless the most celebrated moguls within every genre of music created by black people in America are all men, some white, some black. There are women like Queen latifah or Shanti Das that deserve wider praise and larger platforms but the most celebrated are Diddy and JayZ

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

On film/TV

I do think if she stayed in the music Lane she'd have had great success

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

https://ibb.co/DD91KCc

Jokes aside. This may be strawman. I am not sure there really are black women feminists who think Cardi B, Nicki and Meg are moving black women forward, except maybe Damali.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but I'll state again, just for you.

>Jokes aside. This may be strawman. I am not sure there
>really are black women feminists who think Cardi B, Nicki and
>Meg are moving black women forward, except maybe Damali.

I have never said, nor do I think, Cardi B, Nicki, etc are moving Black woman forward. Why?

We all move forward regardless. We can't be stopped. We won't be. White people and Black men have tried and keep trying and NOPE. Black women are and have ALWAYS been the backbone of EVERYTHING. Actually, NOTHING moves forward without us.

we ARE the movement, period. And that's bigger than any one of us, famous or not.

What y'all will not ever do is be allowed to use respectability politics to act like any of us are better than or less than any others.

Are we clear now?

Good.

d

I love artists like Wu-Tang Clan (who also had a tiny desk concert) Jay-Z, Kool Keith, etc

But I'm not going to pretend like they would make for good role models for little kids.

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

and sexual stuff in hip-hop except Funk Flex?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Every club has at least one old dude

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

and I agree with what you said on this topic 100%.

>and I agree with what you said on this topic 100%.

thanks claw

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stallion (noun)

stal·​lion | ˈstal-yən

: an uncastrated male horse
: a male horse kept for breeding also
: a male animal (such as a dog or a sheep) kept primarily as a stud

Where did the “Thee Stallion” name come from?

In the South, they call girls that are tall and fine stallion. I’m like 15 years old and this older dude is like, “Damn, you a stallion.” I’m like, “Stop talking to me before you go to jail.” And he’s like, “How old are you?” I’m like, “I’m 15!” Because I’ve always had a nice body, so older guys have just been like, “Ooh, you jailbait.” So it could’ve been Megan Thee Jailbait, but Megan Thee Stallion just works.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/megan-thee-stallion-profile-big-ole-freak.html

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

meanings change all the time.

calling yourself stallion is kinda weird, but I've heard dudes refer to chicks as stallions many times. I'm sure it came from not knowing what stallion meant, but its not uncommon to hear it.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme