I was talking to an Old Head last Sunday while I was eating and watching the Game (Falcons vs. Saints) at Buffalo Wild Wings. And somehow the conversation turned from sports to music. Anyway, the Old Head hit me with a comment about the current state of music and dude said, "It's sad, but this generation has no musical classics."

He was talking about how 80's and 90's Rap sampled those good Funk and R&B classics of the 60's and 70's (some 80's) to help make Hip-Hop hits. He was cool with that because Rap in the 80-90's was new to some, but the rap music from those eras helped to create Rap Classics - built on a foundation of true R&B classics. But he said, this current generation is assed-out because they have NO Classics due to the fact that the current sate of RAP is So Awful and the R&B is even worst. He was going on (i have to agree) about how today's R&B has no substance, style, or class - it all fell off in the late 90's.

Do you agree or disagree?




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point being, 1995 is faaaaaar off from the "early beginnings" of hip hop and still classics being produced

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it surely don't fit in with Kurtis Blow, Force MDs or Whodini

matter fact, Doggystyle sampled a few albums of that era being La Di Da Di

point being, there have been classics made post 1995.

and you can't say nothing about them Ursher confessions albums not being classics

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A better example would be Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City.

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i thought generations lasted 30 years or so
so from say 2013, how far back do we get to go for this generation then make the cutpoints for the next two generations after that
say 2013 - 1998
1997 - 1982
1981 - 1966

something like that?

just so we're clear here

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is in the same generation.

Musically I'd say every 10 years there is a new generation. Maybe a little more than that. Definitely less than 20 years though.

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yall saying no classics been made 2003 - 2013?

i call hogwash
just because YALL old asses dont like it dont mean these youngings wont remember the tunes and they have a special place in these kids hearts

i know for a fact "you're a jerk" will hold a special place in MANY SoCal kids heart in 15 years from now


when i was growing up, east coast niggas couldnt stand Death Row music
to me, every Tha Click and E-40 album is a classic with BANGERS
same for Brotha Lynch Hung

but a nigga from South Carolina or Florida might not agree

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Case and oldman said this generation has no classics
i gave two that i thought were classics
then you came in rebuking me
then we had our entire exchange

so you agree with me or na?

no matter how horrible the music is,
these kids have "classics" in their minds

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Usher's Confessions is though. That's a classic IMO.

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you getting into grey areas with dividing your generations

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this OUR post now.
we taken over

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>this OUR post now.
>we taken over


lol... You made me LOL for real.




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when it comes on. Like will people be like "Yo that's my Joint!"


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>when it comes on. Like will people be like "Yo that's my
>Joint!"



more ppl know tootsie roll nationwide
but in the south if you play
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k-e-y
d-i-c-k-e-y

the dancefloor gets PACKED at a 30 - 45 year old party

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Yeah, that's a stretch, but I made it anyway.



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"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

classic? maybe.

i suspect beyonce's "partition" will be a club jam forever.
maybe not the song you play at 1:00 am,
but it will get ppl on the floor around 11:00, like "yeah!" by usher.


>Yeah, that's a stretch, but I made it anyway.
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style for arguments sake. How many albums is that? 3 or 4 (IHDK how many albums Usher dropped)?

Don't you know that between the years of 1988 and 1993, there was a classic album being dropped on average of about one a month?

There MAY Be some classics nowadays, but the dearth of classics and quality music has dropped so significant over the past 15 to 20 years, that it's beyond fathomable.

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i dont even like that song but when they play it at every type of event of all races, several years after it came out,
it's a classic

how many weddings you go to where you DONT hear the wobble?

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fact is,
they are CLASSICS being made

how many ppl MEN AND WOMEN know that ursher album by HEART
or AAliyahs' last album?

cmon dude

classics being made

Beyonce - Single Ladies aint a classic?

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you've said so far in this post

and probably not decide to contribute further

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>i dont even like that song but when they play it at every
>type of event of all races, several years after it came out,
>it's a classic
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>how many weddings you go to where you DONT hear the wobble?

It's played a LOT. An awful lot. Like... everywhere. Along with this other awful "Cha Cha" bullshit. It's novelty bullshit, like Weird Al. Scratch that, because Weird Al has some genius to him. A grown up Yo Gabba Gabba is probably the best description.

It's no different from "Who Let The Dogs Out" and it's going to wind up in some awful Dreamworks animated film in the next ten years.

the wobble is a classic and is here to stay


>>i dont even like that song but when they play it at every
>>type of event of all races, several years after it came out,
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>>it's a classic
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>>how many weddings you go to where you DONT hear the wobble?
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>It's played a LOT. An awful lot. Like... everywhere. Along
>with this other awful "Cha Cha" bullshit. It's novelty
>bullshit, like Weird Al. Scratch that, because Weird Al has
>some genius to him. A grown up Yo Gabba Gabba is probably the
>best description.
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>It's no different from "Who Let The Dogs Out" and it's going
>to wind up in some awful Dreamworks animated film in the next
>ten years.

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but there is classic good music for all
its now up to the listener to find it
labels and radio are not worried about quality and are more concerned with ads

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but i dont listen to enough new shit to know of that many classics
that kendrick is a classic
these youngsters might call drake's albums classics
i dunno
whoever be on the radio all the time

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i get paid for that, buddy

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that's how i came to know OKP
graduate studies at three different ivy league schools
harvard
yale
upenn

that's how and when i met different OKP face to face is on campus

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Hip Hop:

Run The Jewels (2013)
Krit - Cadillactica (2014)
Pusha T - My Name is My Name (2013)
Vince Staples - Hell Can Wait (2014)
Chance the Rapper - Acid Rap (2014)

r&b
FKA Twigs -LP1 (2014)
D - Black Messiah
Beyonce (2013)
Bilal -Love Surreal
Miguel - Kaleidoscope Dream(2012)

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Ain't none of these Classics. Sure they may be good for the time, but CLASSIC. No they are not.

>Hip Hop:
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>Run The Jewels (2013)
>Krit - Cadillactica (2014)
>Pusha T - My Name is My Name (2013)
>Vince Staples - Hell Can Wait (2014)
>Chance the Rapper - Acid Rap (2014)
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^^ NONE EVER ^^


>r&b

>D - Black Messiah

^^This just came out and it's juts good. Not Great!^^



>Miguel - Kaleidoscope Dream(2012)

^^ Maybe^^

doesnt take away from the fact that i feel they are classic
some others feel the same way
all that matters

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and not many of the albums i listed did commercially well

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Off these CDS. LOL

>Hip Hop:
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>Run The Jewels (2013)
>Krit - Cadillactica (2014)
>Pusha T - My Name is My Name (2013)
>Vince Staples - Hell Can Wait (2014)
>Chance the Rapper - Acid Rap (2014)
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>r&b
>FKA Twigs -LP1 (2014)
>D - Black Messiah
>Beyonce (2013)
>Bilal -Love Surreal
>Miguel - Kaleidoscope Dream(2012)

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i dont think a mass collection of critic reviews and user reviews is a bad starting place, honestly.

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kanye has classics.

depending on what type of rap you like,
you are a fan of either:
college drop out (for back packers), late registration (for r&b heads), graduation (for pop fans), my beautiful dark twisted fantasy (for rockists).

these albums will be seen as classics, if they aren't already.
"yeezus" might be seen as a misstep, but it might become a cult classic later on.

i don't like where r&b is, but this generation had "confessions."
every song was good enough to be a single,
and it even had a nifty back story to add to its legacy.
it'll go down as a classic if it's not seen as one already.

and if you quibble with that choice i should remind you that
d'anglelo dropped black messiah recently, which is at least a very good album
and probably on of the all time great album.

btw, beyonce just made her strongest artistic statement to date
with that latest album she did last year.
it still gets burn in clubs.

kids will like rhianna the same way we like janet.


music is fine.
music is always fine.

and even if it isn't fine kids these days have access to the Internet
and can find old albums that they think are classic
that we have overlooked. (sorta like some ppl in our generation went back and decided
that our parents missed the boat on Donny Hathaway).

the Internet has made it not unusual to be into a bunch of old music.
kids are jamming to some of the same music you did.
talk to them.

they are up on golden era hip hop.


the kids are alright.
the kids are always alright.

that won't stop old ppl like me from tripping though.
just like my grandparents tripped when they heard motown
and my great grandparents tripped when they heard bebop.



the truth is, somebody could drop a classic tomorrow
and i might not recognize it as a classic anymore than your parents
could see the value of "paid in full." because it's not up to me to
decide what's quality and what's not anymore. it's not up to you anymore, either.


in other words,
we old.

>i don't like where r&b is, but this generation had
>"confessions."
>every song was good enough to be a single,
>and it even had a nifty back story to add to its legacy.
>it'll go down as a classic if it's not seen as one already.

>btw, beyonce just made her strongest artistic statement to
>date
>with that latest album she did last year.
>it still gets burn in clubs.

>(sorta like some ppl in our
>generation went back and decided
>that our parents missed the boat on Donny Hathaway).


>the truth is, somebody could drop a classic tomorrow
>and i wouldn't recognize it as a classic anymore than your
>parents
>could see the value of "paid in full."
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>in other words,
>we old.
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i realise that we are the same person
just that you hold so much hatred in your heart for me
i dunno why
you never met me
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At its worse, that album completed the opening of a pandora's box for rap cats cooing all over the place, but that doesn't take away from the influence and the love that album had (and deserves). And I'll still roll with the idea that you can't blame the 'original' for bad copies. And there's some SONGS on that album in between the 'too far into the water' moments that people point to when it comes time to hate on it.

Kanye is probably the most 'complete' of the visible rap cats in the 2000s. By that, he's basically capable of going in any direction he wants to and creating something of quality that'll be viewed as a template for others to follow even if it isn't the 'best' crack at what he was going for at the time..if that makes sense. Dark Fantasy is his 'definitive' album to me..it has just about everything that he is in there somewhere. And Watch The Throne will always be a grand victory lap accompanying album for me. To me, Yeezus is his Secret Life of Plants and now I have no idea what he'll do next.

All of that to say this: it is unfair that Kanye is discredited historically because he has largely existed in a world without other 'legends in their prime' to compete with. There's no Kane for him to be a Rakim with. Or no Jay for him to be a Nas with. Not even a Bone for him to be Twista with. But everyone rapping nowadays isn't Chief Keef. It is more logical to argue that he is an weird benefactor of the change in times that won't allow most artists to be 'universally beloved' like a mid-80s MJ or Prince. And that's the case even in a box as 'just rap dudes'.

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>kanye has classics.
>
>depending on what type of rap you like,
>you are a fan of either:
>college drop out (for back packers), late registration (for
>r&b heads), graduation (for pop fans), my beautiful dark
>twisted fantasy (for rockists).
>
>these albums will be seen as classics, if they aren't already.
>
>"yeezus" might be seen as a misstep, but it might become a
>cult classic later on.
>
>i don't like where r&b is, but this generation had
>"confessions."
>every song was good enough to be a single,
>and it even had a nifty back story to add to its legacy.
>it'll go down as a classic if it's not seen as one already.
>
>and if you quibble with that choice i should remind you that
>d'anglelo dropped black messiah recently, which is at least a
>very good album
>and probably on of the all time great album.
>
>btw, beyonce just made her strongest artistic statement to
>date
>with that latest album she did last year.
>it still gets burn in clubs.
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>kids will like rhianna the same way we like janet.
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>
>music is fine.
>music is always fine.
>
>and even if it isn't fine kids these days have access to the
>Internet
>and can find old albums that they think are classic
>that we have overlooked. (sorta like some ppl in our
>generation went back and decided
>that our parents missed the boat on Donny Hathaway).
>
>the Internet has made it not unusual to be into a bunch of old
>music.
>kids are jamming to some of the same music you did.
>talk to them.
>
>they are up on golden era hip hop.
>
>
>the kids are alright.
>the kids are always alright.
>
>that won't stop old ppl like me from tripping though.
>just like my grandparents tripped when they heard motown
>and my great grandparents tripped when they heard bebop.
>
>
>
>the truth is, somebody could drop a classic tomorrow
>and i might not recognize it as a classic anymore than your
>parents
>could see the value of "paid in full." because it's not up to
>me to
>decide what's quality and what's not anymore. it's not up to
>you anymore, either.
>
>
>in other words,
>we old.
>
>

Every 30 years we get a classic decade.

1960s, 1990s, so 2020s is destined to be that decade.

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sometimes it's hard to consider something classic when it drops after your formative years

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80s and 90s you got classic albums by PE, EPMD, LL, KRS, Ice Cube, Dre, Snoop, ATCQ, Kast, etc. The current albums just don't match up IMO.

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the good old days.

well let's talk about the good old days.

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For showing how far the mentality of niggers hasn't come and how thorough the conditioning is in a historical, pop culture context - absolutely!

I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

none?

i got video of an entire nightclub of 2,000 people overshouting the soundsystem to every single word of it aint no fun

niggers...


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Timewise, you're looking at this in the way we look at generations of human beings. It doesn't translate.

Art, culture and technology changes faster than humans give birth.

Within music- particularly urban genres- the sound and direction changes rapidly and a particular sound/crew/label will dominate the mainstream airwaves for a time before giving way to another. You simply can't view cultural, artistic, or technological generations along the same clear-cut general lines as you do humans. You have to look at where trends ebb and flow to define where a generation begins and ends, not some arbitrary timeline.

Musical mediums alone have undergone at least 4 dramatically different changes in the last 20 years. We've gone from the Walkman to the Discman to MP3 players to streaming services.

Doggystyle's "generation" was all but dead by the time "Life After Death" hit. Puffy and his shiny suits ran the airwaves until Hard Knock Life hit and Def Jam snatched it right back with Jay, DMX, Meth, etc. While that was bubbling, Rawkus built a sizable niche between 97-02. Those two collective entities really represent a generation unto itself. No Limit also built an empire during this timeframe.

Then you had Aftermath. Aftermath from TSSLP-The Eminem Show represents one generation of that sound, including "2001", and I'd even throw in Xzibit's Restless/MvM albums, despite being released on Loud. Once 50 and G-Unit hit, they supplanted Dre's crew as a new generation with a different sound, though still obviously an Aftermath product.

Of course you have the Neptunes and Rocafella overlapping with these, not to mention regionally dominant stalwarts like E-40 and Three Six Mafia, for example.The point is to give an in depth analysis of the last twenty years of urban music, but to illustrate that a "generation" in music really consists of pockets of mainstream visibility that can last anywhere from six months to four years, and these often overlap.

>Timewise, you're looking at this in the way we look at
>generations of human beings. It doesn't translate.
>
>Art, culture and technology changes faster than humans give
>birth.
>
>Within music- particularly urban genres- the sound and
>direction changes rapidly and a particular sound/crew/label
>will dominate the mainstream airwaves for a time before giving
>way to another. You simply can't view cultural, artistic, or
>technological generations along the same clear-cut general
>lines as you do humans. You have to look at where trends ebb
>and flow to define where a generation begins and ends, not
>some arbitrary timeline.
>
>Musical mediums alone have undergone at least 4 dramatically
>different changes in the last 20 years. We've gone from the
>Walkman to the Discman to MP3 players to streaming services.
>
>Doggystyle's "generation" was all but dead by the time "Life
>After Death" hit. Puffy and his shiny suits ran the airwaves
>until Hard Knock Life hit and Def Jam snatched it right back
>with Jay, DMX, Meth, etc. While that was bubbling, Rawkus
>built a sizable niche between 97-02. Those two collective
>entities really represent a generation unto itself. No Limit
>also built an empire during this timeframe.
>
>Then you had Aftermath. Aftermath from TSSLP-The Eminem Show
>represents one generation of that sound, including "2001", and
>I'd even throw in Xzibit's Restless/MvM albums, despite being
>released on Loud. Once 50 and G-Unit hit, they supplanted
>Dre's crew as a new generation with a different sound, though
>still obviously an Aftermath product.
>
>Of course you have the Neptunes and Rocafella overlapping with
>these, not to mention regionally dominant stalwarts like E-40
>and Three Six Mafia, for example.The point is to give an in
>depth analysis of the last twenty years of urban music, but to
>illustrate that a "generation" in music really consists of
>pockets of mainstream visibility that can last anywhere from
>six months to four years, and these often overlap.

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that's what you sound like.

>For showing how far the mentality of niggers hasn't come and
>how thorough the conditioning is in a historical, pop culture
>context - absolutely!

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