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"Pats traid Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st round pick"
Sun Sep-06-09 09:59 AM by Innocent Criminal

  

          

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4450767

New England Patriots defensive lineman Richard Seymour has been dealt to the Oakland Raiders, NFL sources told ESPN.

In return, the Patriots get a 2011 first-round draft pick, a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Seymour, 29, spent the first eight years of NFL career with New England. In that time, he amassed 357 total tackles and 39 sacks.

The five-time Pro Bowler and three-time Super Bowl champion matched his career high with eight sacks in 2008. Seymour has 39 sacks in 111 career games. He also has 4.5 sacks in 15 postseason games.



We could use the run d help, but is it worth a first round pick? Unless Oakland considerably improves this almost guarantees the Patriots a top 10 pick in 2011.

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Pats fans: explain this
Sep 06th 2009
1
He would have bounced next year and they would have gotten nothing in re...
Sep 06th 2009
14
Cosign.
Sep 06th 2009
15
simple
Sep 06th 2009
80
      RE: simple
Sep 06th 2009
82
      its oakland. its sure
Sep 06th 2009
83
           Yup. They couldn't pull the trigger on this deal fast enough.
Sep 06th 2009
97
      4. They weren't going to re-sign him
Sep 07th 2009
155
           yep
Sep 08th 2009
216
Wow the Pats just continue to rape the Raiders in all trades
Sep 06th 2009
2
Genius
Sep 06th 2009
3
al davis is fucking senile son
Sep 06th 2009
4
Yes he is, I am surprised he didn't throw McFadden or Namdi
Sep 06th 2009
5
      one of them might be next..while u bullshittin..
Sep 06th 2009
9
i'm LMAO so hard i can't breath
Sep 06th 2009
6
do not resist!!
Sep 06th 2009
7
um, the raiders used their first rounder on a good player...
Sep 06th 2009
8
yea this is how i see it
Sep 06th 2009
11
i think Sey could have a better year in Oak than he would have in NE
Sep 06th 2009
17
spoken like a true zeke defender
Sep 06th 2009
25
      *deadpans*: this really isn't about isiah
Sep 06th 2009
60
wow
Sep 06th 2009
10
they got a good player without having to pay top 5 pick salary*
Sep 06th 2009
12
makes 3.65 million this season...
Sep 06th 2009
27
      His cap hit is more like $8 or 9
Sep 09th 2009
324
pretty much, but anything can happen in the NFL
Sep 06th 2009
13
the single way this backfires is if there is no 2011 draft
Sep 06th 2009
16
best 13 WRS ever
Sep 06th 2009
18
      Oakland Raiders
Sep 06th 2009
19
my impression of patriots fans
Sep 06th 2009
20
those pats fans who said A most likely did not fathom this in the cards
Sep 06th 2009
23
wipe the kool aid off your lips
Sep 06th 2009
24
      take your pick. reread either 16 or 23
Sep 06th 2009
26
           oh ok.
Sep 06th 2009
28
                the Pats are trying to win in
Sep 06th 2009
29
                     trading your best defensive player
Sep 06th 2009
32
                          i like Sey, but he was not our ''best defensive player'
Sep 06th 2009
65
                               ^^revisionist history
Sep 06th 2009
71
                                    Stop listening to WEEI.
Sep 06th 2009
98
                                         truth hurts.
Sep 07th 2009
117
lol, basically.
Sep 06th 2009
77
Snyder-esque.
Sep 06th 2009
21
NFL groupie bitches in Oaktown BEWARE!!
Sep 06th 2009
22
Not sure how I feel about this yet..
Sep 06th 2009
30
Could be a high price to pay, but right today this a good trade 4 both
Sep 06th 2009
31
The League needs to step in and do something
Sep 06th 2009
33
You dont know what your talking about...
Sep 06th 2009
40
      He doesn't even want to report and now he will resign???
Sep 09th 2009
325
Wow, most of these replies are proof of mind control/brainwashing
Sep 06th 2009
34
RE: Wow, most of these replies are proof of mind control/brainwashing
Sep 06th 2009
35
The Raiders have invested in the D-Line
Sep 06th 2009
36
Correct, I mispoke
Sep 06th 2009
47
RE: Wow, most of these replies are proof of mind control/brainwashing
Sep 06th 2009
39
      RE: Wow, most of these replies are proof of mind control/brainwashing
Sep 06th 2009
50
lots of banter here but bottom line this is a financial trade for Oaklan...
Sep 06th 2009
37
Not a raiders fan. but this is a better move for them than it is the Pat...
Sep 06th 2009
38
RE: Not a raiders fan. but this is a better move for them than it is the...
Sep 06th 2009
41
i don't get this trade for either team
Sep 06th 2009
42
RE: I asuume this is coming from an eagles fan..
Sep 06th 2009
43
^^^^^^^ real m'fing talk
Sep 06th 2009
48
44 to 6, bitch. Thanks for playing.
Sep 06th 2009
55
      you say that like it will matter in a few years
Sep 06th 2009
59
      any time you get eliminated by a rival it matters
Sep 07th 2009
109
           concrete cmon..
Sep 07th 2009
188
                since 2000 one of the five best orgs in football, how about your 'boys
Sep 08th 2009
277
      holding onto one single score huh?
Sep 06th 2009
61
           how about us dominating your ass for TEN years???
Sep 07th 2009
108
           RE: how about us dominating your ass for TEN years???
Sep 07th 2009
111
                you should be we OWN the division now and you guys do NOTHING
Sep 07th 2009
125
                     those who do not know their history...
Sep 07th 2009
128
                     Congratulations, you are now a Cleveland Browns fan
Sep 07th 2009
137
                          if im a browns fan then wtf are you? a lions fan?
Sep 07th 2009
142
                     Did this idiot really
Sep 07th 2009
133
                          RE: Did this idiot really
Sep 07th 2009
135
           you can't say "five super bowls to zero" though
Sep 08th 2009
220
                Soul is a Cowboys fan, not a Raiders fan
Sep 08th 2009
285
^^i like this guy
Sep 06th 2009
49
oh damn
Sep 06th 2009
51
^^^lmao, this is almost as good as ghost's rant @ the end of gihad
Sep 06th 2009
52
RE: ^^^lmao, this is almost as good as ghost's rant @ the end of gihad
Sep 08th 2009
267
we win playoff games every year, you're worse than USC, cry about it
Sep 06th 2009
54
Thats what it's come down to?
Sep 06th 2009
68
      lmao
Sep 06th 2009
76
      http://i29.tinypic.com/smgh3p.jpg
Sep 06th 2009
93
      lmao
Sep 07th 2009
115
      sheesh.
Sep 06th 2009
102
      You were a virgin the last time the Raiders won.
Sep 06th 2009
105
      http://www.citizenlunchbox.com/monkey/famous/pix/george_ether.jpg
Sep 07th 2009
114
      good lawd... save some for the rest of the season.. - LOL
Sep 07th 2009
118
      lmao
Sep 07th 2009
119
      lmao
Sep 07th 2009
134
      *acting stupid like a nigga who won the showcase on price is right*
Sep 07th 2009
141
      lol
Sep 07th 2009
172
      lmmfao
Sep 07th 2009
175
      ____________________________________________
Sep 07th 2009
147
      *throws in towel for philly fans* NO MORE! PLEASE! nm
Sep 07th 2009
156
      **CLOWNIN LIKE A NIGGA IN THE FRONT ROW OF DEF COMEDY JAM**
Sep 07th 2009
195
      LMBO!!!!!
Sep 07th 2009
205
      Oh shit ...ohhhhhhhh sheiittt LMAO DAYM
Sep 08th 2009
217
      LMAO
Sep 08th 2009
290
      "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!"(c)Chris Rock
Sep 09th 2009
334
      !!!!!
Sep 10th 2009
336
gotdamn
Sep 06th 2009
56
THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A EXHIBITION!!! *spits flies*
Sep 06th 2009
58
GAT DAYUM.... THIS NGA WENT IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 06th 2009
62
damn, dude. put the pipe down.
Sep 06th 2009
78
LMAO!!! shells went out like a shook white man at the movies FIYA!!!
Sep 07th 2009
144
      oh, no doubt. i thought i was seeing frost/nixon, ended up in madea
Sep 07th 2009
160
           ^^^A+ exchange in an A+ thread.
Sep 08th 2009
280
*busts out skewers and marshmallows, makes fine s'mores over this reply*
Sep 06th 2009
103
everything u said is true BUT .....u do realize yall gotta play us this
Sep 07th 2009
116
Imma need y'all to bring that 'TENSITY when PHI plays OAK
Sep 07th 2009
120
i didn't even know it was raiders fans on here. this nigga bout to ether
Sep 07th 2009
182
RE: everything u said is true BUT .....u do realize yall gotta play us t...
Sep 07th 2009
124
I'd take this bet right now if you really do wanna book that:
Sep 07th 2009
198
up
Oct 18th 2009
361
      Well played
Oct 18th 2009
362
http://splicd.com/aFiE-35oG1I/0/25
Sep 07th 2009
152
I'll try and break it down without talking shit
Sep 06th 2009
53
the bucs have a worse roster than the Raiders?
Sep 08th 2009
247
      dawg, he cysed about having the best punter
Sep 08th 2009
250
      Fuck it, why not?
Sep 08th 2009
287
      Based on the last game of 2008, yes.
Sep 08th 2009
286
i'm not saying Sey is overrated at all.
Sep 06th 2009
66
i dont get upset or happy anymore
Sep 06th 2009
44
RE: i dont get upset or happy anymore
Sep 06th 2009
46
This is exactly how I feel about the Raiders
Sep 06th 2009
90
The Raiders may suck, but their division is terrible
Sep 06th 2009
45
like what we get, but it sucks to see Seymour leave
Sep 06th 2009
57
why can't the patriots draft well?
Sep 06th 2009
63
all i know is jake long was pushing him around like a rag doll last seas...
Sep 06th 2009
64
When you consistently have one of the worst records in the league
Sep 06th 2009
67
Wrong...
Sep 06th 2009
69
RE: Wrong...
Sep 06th 2009
70
      And this is the real reason people are pissed
Sep 06th 2009
74
      RE: Wrong...
Sep 06th 2009
81
           RE: Wrong...
Sep 06th 2009
100
                RE: Wrong...
Sep 06th 2009
101
                     RE: Wrong...
Sep 07th 2009
106
I hear what you are saying
Sep 06th 2009
72
Good deal for the Raiders.
Sep 06th 2009
73
http://tiny.cc/hpRZT
Sep 06th 2009
75
      chad jackson, phoney maroney, eugene chung
Sep 06th 2009
79
           hahaha
Sep 06th 2009
84
           Does it hurt when you realize Cere is right?
Sep 06th 2009
85
           your best pick past three years was a kicker
Sep 06th 2009
96
           jackson wasn't a first round pick
Sep 06th 2009
88
           Stop.
Sep 06th 2009
91
                and maroney aint a bust...shit, i'd take him over reggie bush lol
Sep 06th 2009
92
                     I'd take LBs Finest over Bush... given a month prep time
Sep 06th 2009
95
                          underrated reply
Sep 08th 2009
311
           Wow.. you dusted off Eugene Chung for this. lol
Sep 07th 2009
112
Watch the Raiders make the playoffs.
Sep 06th 2009
86
maybe in franchise mode in madden
Sep 06th 2009
87
The Cardinals went to the Super Bowl....
Sep 06th 2009
89
      chargers are winning the afc west with ease
Sep 06th 2009
94
      Okay...
Sep 06th 2009
99
           LMAO, the Raiders are the worst franchise in football with the worst fan...
Sep 07th 2009
110
                they're horrible, but yu don't have to make stuff up to prove that:
Sep 07th 2009
126
                for 6 seasons they average 5 wins, was looking for worst season
Sep 07th 2009
139
                Wow.
Sep 07th 2009
127
                What is the Super Bowl called? The NFL championship
Sep 07th 2009
149
                which goes back
Sep 07th 2009
157
                     Three NFL Championships
Sep 07th 2009
159
                          We've won this decade...
Sep 07th 2009
165
                          So? We've DOMINATED a much better division, won a conf, 5 title games
Sep 08th 2009
279
                          RE: Three NFL Championships
Sep 07th 2009
166
                *FANS SELF LIKE OLD LADY IN THE FRONT ROW OF CHURCH*
Sep 07th 2009
158
                best philly hate EVER
Sep 07th 2009
174
                RE: best philly hate EVER
Sep 07th 2009
184
                LMAO
Sep 07th 2009
180
                Easy playa...
Sep 08th 2009
275
                     I would Never discredit
Sep 08th 2009
298
                Naw man you gotta pull back here
Sep 07th 2009
146
                     fair enough, the stick is a big time dump
Sep 07th 2009
148
      Cardinals had a bunch of playmakers
Sep 07th 2009
121
its not probable, but its definitely possible
Sep 07th 2009
113
You don't trade 1st rounders for 30 year old linemen
Sep 06th 2009
104
eggfuckingzackly!!!!!
Sep 07th 2009
107
Glass house mentality...
Sep 07th 2009
129
      lol. what would be in a Philadelphia Eagle?
Sep 07th 2009
130
      Easy...
Sep 07th 2009
132
      yuengling and bitters
Sep 08th 2009
218
      Whatever makes you feel better knowing there's no point in even watching
Sep 07th 2009
138
      You stay losing..
Sep 07th 2009
162
      The only reason the Raiders matter at all now is due to their futility
Sep 07th 2009
140
           Dont get me started on the 49ers...
Sep 07th 2009
164
                Please do
Sep 08th 2009
221
                     can we have a spin off where paps just goes after every team?
Sep 08th 2009
223
                          local radio here is sayin its better to be a Lions fan than a Raiders fa...
Sep 08th 2009
224
/post
Sep 07th 2009
123
RE: You don't trade 1st rounders for 30 year old linemen
Sep 07th 2009
131
      High 1st rounders are a premium
Sep 07th 2009
143
      who else has done it and how/WHY would they trade back up?
Sep 07th 2009
161
           Come on dude...
Sep 07th 2009
168
cot damn that fool paps up in here incinerating niggas
Sep 07th 2009
122
he's on the list for "Best New Poster" off this post alone.
Sep 07th 2009
136
I know right? He just lettin off the .50 cal with pinpoint accuracy.
Sep 08th 2009
308
This reply ALONE has some GOAT-level hate in it.
Sep 07th 2009
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RE: This reply ALONE has some GOAT-level hate in it.
Sep 08th 2009
256
He's probably the Raiders #1 offseason acquisition. Too bad he can't
Sep 07th 2009
171
i swear dude wrote the book and teaches "How to Hate 101"
Sep 07th 2009
176
A+ Shit Talkin'. Can't Wait To See How PAPS develops......
Sep 08th 2009
281
good deal for BOTH teams.
Sep 07th 2009
145
how is that win/win?
Sep 07th 2009
151
      ok, it's not a win, but it's better than letting Al fuck shit up yet aga...
Sep 07th 2009
154
sorry, raiders fans cannot say anything about the Eagles right now.
Sep 07th 2009
150
you guys kill me... lol
Sep 07th 2009
167
      not really. you haven't won anything in years. a lot of years.
Sep 07th 2009
173
      Which is it then?
Sep 07th 2009
178
      RE: not really. you haven't won anything in years. a lot of years.
Sep 07th 2009
179
      c'mon..
Sep 07th 2009
193
           RE: c'mon..
Sep 07th 2009
196
      STFU!!
Sep 08th 2009
210
      FOH
Sep 08th 2009
236
      maaaaaaaan, act the FUCK right, nigga...
Sep 08th 2009
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           Neegro Please...
Sep 08th 2009
209
           awwww hell naw this nigga done... this nigga done...
Sep 08th 2009
228
           umm...
Sep 08th 2009
278
                RE: umm...
Sep 08th 2009
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                     ^^^^^^^^YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Sep 08th 2009
284
                     Never said they weren't...
Sep 08th 2009
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                          doggs...
Sep 08th 2009
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                               Since you really want it...
Sep 08th 2009
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                                    HAHAHAHAHA PATHETIC!!!!! ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC
Sep 09th 2009
320
                                         living in the past huh?
Sep 09th 2009
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                                              1st off We dont live in the past thats my point
Sep 09th 2009
323
                     Every team who wins the SB gets a LOMBARDI trophy.
Sep 08th 2009
309
                          I respect the Packers history...
Sep 09th 2009
322
                               We have just as many Super Bowls and more of everything else.
Sep 09th 2009
333
           RE: maaaaaaaan, act the FUCK right, nigga...
Sep 08th 2009
238
           I just wanna say FUCK the Bears
Sep 09th 2009
326
           I respect you Dula, but you have to fall back off of this one:
Sep 10th 2009
343
                ayo i like you dogg, so don't take this personal:
Sep 11th 2009
349
Traid
Sep 07th 2009
153
LOL, I'm surprised no one else commented on that
Sep 08th 2009
234
lol, concrete you need to step away from this thread
Sep 07th 2009
169
LMAO!!!! this joint got me COOKIN!!! i'm sweatin like shit, laughing
Sep 07th 2009
170
dude see the "do not touch" sign and is ignoring it like a mufucka
Sep 07th 2009
177
he keeps barking up that tree and that tree keeps falling on him
Sep 07th 2009
181
oh thats a hilarious mental image
Sep 07th 2009
183
not really. that muhfucker bringing up shit that happened when most
Sep 07th 2009
185
Pardon?
Sep 07th 2009
192
FOH..aint you a Bills fan this year....
Sep 07th 2009
200
      naw i'm the same fan i always was ho
Sep 07th 2009
201
not really
Sep 08th 2009
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      see, that's the brilliance of paps' move
Sep 08th 2009
215
      I've already touched on that...
Sep 08th 2009
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      RE: I've already touched on that...
Sep 08th 2009
243
           RE: I've already touched on that...
Sep 08th 2009
248
      http://www.ktbb.com/cowboys/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Jerry-Jones.jpg
Sep 08th 2009
305
why, of all weekends, did i have to be away from a computer?
Sep 07th 2009
186
I Love this Post.. Classic.... Archive this shit!! What Up Cere
Sep 07th 2009
199
This post is fuckin hilarious.. I'm str8 dyin..
Sep 07th 2009
187
i know right
Sep 07th 2009
189
PAPS U MY NIGGA FOR LIFE!!! LMAO
Sep 07th 2009
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oh shit i found the tipping point...
Sep 07th 2009
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      actually it was even before that
Sep 07th 2009
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      all the shit he said is damn near sig worthy...especially about the
Sep 07th 2009
197
funny stuff...but no Raider fan should really be talking shit
Sep 07th 2009
202
Miss me with that shit...
Sep 08th 2009
211
Archive this hate. THE AUTUMN WIND IS A RAIDER!!!
Sep 07th 2009
203
The (lack of) greatness of the Raiders
Sep 07th 2009
204
not to distract anybody, but seymour didn't show up in oakland yet.
Sep 07th 2009
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Yeah I saw that but he will sooner than later, what leverage does he hav...
Sep 07th 2009
207
I read somewhere he was pissed
Sep 08th 2009
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maybe the Pats get him back for a 4th after he mails it in for 2 years
Sep 08th 2009
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      lol i was thinking along similar lines
Sep 09th 2009
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      lol
Sep 10th 2009
338
vitriol
Sep 08th 2009
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1. Gr8 deal 4 Pats 2. people wonder why NFL players bitch about contract...
Sep 08th 2009
219
Players sign contracts knowing they can be cut or traded
Sep 08th 2009
222
I understand all that, It's not a direct comparison
Sep 08th 2009
229
      If a player goes about it the right way there is no shock
Sep 08th 2009
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this is typical patriots' hubris
Sep 08th 2009
225
      don't get mad cause the raiders don't know what "business" means
Sep 08th 2009
249
Oak wins in that they got a DE thats ready NOW but NE won
Sep 08th 2009
226
Speak on what you know...
Sep 08th 2009
232
      conveniently left off a bunch of QBs, ehh paps?
Sep 08th 2009
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      uhh
Sep 08th 2009
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           Exactly...
Sep 08th 2009
240
           LMAO @ this part here
Sep 08th 2009
242
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sep 08th 2009
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           you really want to go through those guys?
Sep 08th 2009
241
                Point is...
Sep 08th 2009
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                     you can go on and on, and it won't matter
Sep 08th 2009
246
                          whatever...
Sep 08th 2009
251
                               my log-in screws with another victim
Sep 08th 2009
253
                                    It was jokes dummy...
Sep 08th 2009
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                                         this is the thing: he ISN'T on track
Sep 08th 2009
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                                              According to who?
Sep 08th 2009
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                                                   ooooh, I bet if you say yes, jersey, he's gonna say you're racist
Sep 08th 2009
272
                                                   nope. not from boston
Sep 08th 2009
273
                                                        Russell 1st year boxscores
Sep 08th 2009
276
                                                             BWAHAHA @ that being "better than average"
Sep 08th 2009
283
                                                                  He was essentially a rookie...
Sep 08th 2009
293
                                                                       FYI: pre cum CAN make a girl pregnant.
Sep 08th 2009
295
                                                                            No plea coppage here
Sep 08th 2009
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      most of the guys u listed were either thrown in immediately as starters
Sep 08th 2009
239
      Answer this...
Sep 08th 2009
268
           I labeled him as 'bust' before the draft, as in that was my prediction
Sep 08th 2009
271
      LOL I feel bad for Oakland fans G
Sep 08th 2009
266
           He didn't play his first year. You fail. Go back to go and start again
Sep 08th 2009
288
           you realize that makes it worse for russell, right?
Sep 08th 2009
292
                it's only worse if you're the stupidest person in the world
Sep 09th 2009
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                     damn, it must be terrible for you:
Sep 09th 2009
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           Look, the main point is this:
Sep 08th 2009
296
                Nah fam frito lay
Sep 08th 2009
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                     Why Jamarcus' bamma ass gets a pass from me
Sep 08th 2009
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                          You're wasting your time
Sep 09th 2009
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                          So are you every fall sunday afternoon
Sep 09th 2009
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                          RE: Why Jamarcus' bamma ass gets a pass from me
Sep 09th 2009
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back to the trade at hand: sign of the 4-3?
Sep 08th 2009
227
Wowsers. And I ain't talking about the trade.
Sep 08th 2009
245
Pats post explodes yet again
Sep 08th 2009
252
season hasn't even started yet
Sep 08th 2009
265
I was here...
Sep 08th 2009
254
good to know happening to be born in Oakland gives you eternal
Sep 08th 2009
255
but if he's bragging on Marcus Allen's rookie year, we still get the '83
Sep 08th 2009
257
      Marcus Allen's rookie year
Sep 08th 2009
259
      first full season then, point remains the same
Sep 08th 2009
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           Yo I'm the new cat around...
Sep 08th 2009
264
                I prefer money, name your price
Sep 08th 2009
270
      Now you talking...
Sep 08th 2009
261
Paps got this post burning on fire a like CA wildfire.
Sep 08th 2009
269
All good homie...
Sep 08th 2009
274
      I just moved to oak
Sep 09th 2009
328
           Welcome...
Sep 09th 2009
330
Niggaz really hate the Raiders. When we were good a few years ago...
Sep 08th 2009
289
^doesn't understand cause and effect
Sep 08th 2009
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      Nah, he was responding to the disrespect
Sep 08th 2009
299
           Exactly, cats stay trying to play the Raiders out.
Sep 08th 2009
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           absolutely, while we can
Sep 08th 2009
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           recent history = most likely to be a high pick
Sep 08th 2009
307
So no one wants to talk about how Seymour still hasn't reported
Sep 09th 2009
312
post 206
Sep 09th 2009
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Don't rule out the fact that Seymour hasn't played a full season
Sep 09th 2009
327
The way the Pats have played without him has played a role
Sep 09th 2009
329
LOL I can't wait for Monday, what? is he going to play?
Sep 09th 2009
331
If you think that Seymour won't be missed...
Sep 09th 2009
332
so, just to recap
Sep 10th 2009
335
I wouldn't even give him that much credit
Sep 10th 2009
339
      haha, i give him credit for trying though!
Sep 10th 2009
340
      ahh... the old "only looking at stats" bullshit
Sep 10th 2009
342
           you still talking about his stats
Sep 10th 2009
344
                stats and subjective opinion aren't oil and water
Sep 10th 2009
345
                     i saw clear improvement over the last month of the season
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                          well, then we disagree in our opinions
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      nah, it was the Auburn game that cost me money, he sucked vs FLA too
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           RE: nah, it was the Auburn game that cost me money, he sucked vs FLA too
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                RE: nah, it was the Auburn game that cost me money, he sucked vs FLA too
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                slow down scooter....
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                     i dont think anything here is refuting bomb's argument
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                I see you pimp...
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                     RE: I see you pimp...
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Archive.
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CO-SIGN.... one of the greatest Eagles Ls EVA!
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hold up...so where is dude who was talkin that Raider shit..
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I'm too hungover to pop shit....
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warren, you're talking out of your ass
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One more thing....
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^
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I hope so
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excellent decision!
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lol @ fools who guaranteed a top 5 pick from this trade
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Haha...thanks for upping
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***EDIT***
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Still better than the Pats pick, you all still reeling from tuck rule .....
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yeah, but it wouldn't hurt to have Big Sey right now
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RE: yeah, but it wouldn't hurt to have Big Sey right now
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stay focused please
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      sorry, won't happen again!
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yeah that damn trade for Campbell fucked things up
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14. "He would have bounced next year and they would have gotten nothing in re..."
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They've also flirting with moving him before so I am not too surprised.

More 4-3 this year it seems. Or at least that's what the preseason showed. Pats are not thin at DL. (They need to sign Wilfork though.) We all love Ty Warren, Jarvis Green and Mike Wright. Ron Brace and Myron Pryor could be the future. We shall see.

Plus how many wins will Les Raideres have in 2010?

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80. "simple"
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1. Pats can win and have won without him.
2. Pats are stacked at DL and when you add that to point #1. it makes complete sense.
3. They're getting a sure top 10 pick in 2011 to keep the machine moving in the future.

with that said, why wouldn't the Patriots make the trade?? Seriously.

  

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82. "RE: simple"
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>1. Pats can win and have won without him.
>2. Pats are stacked at DL and when you add that to point #1.
>it makes complete sense.
>3. They're getting a sure top 10 pick in 2011 to keep the
>machine moving in the future.
>
>with that said, why wouldn't the Patriots make the trade??
>Seriously.


LMAO @ "sure" top 10 pick...

nothing is for certain in the NFL...

  

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83. "its oakland. its sure"
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97. "Yup. They couldn't pull the trigger on this deal fast enough. "
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Playing the AFC South and NFC West in 2010 though. They could go .500.

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He was probably going to leave via free agency anyway.

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2. "Wow the Pats just continue to rape the Raiders in all trades"
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Seymour is still good and will contribute but a 1st rounder?!?! That is way too much.

  

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5. "Yes he is, I am surprised he didn't throw McFadden or Namdi"
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in the deal as well.

Looking at it, it says it is for the Raiders 2011 1st rounder, so that is a few years away. That isn't too bad, although I still think that will be a top 15 pick.

  

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8. "um, the raiders used their first rounder on a good player..."
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isn't that how it's supposed to work. i think we all know they wouldn't have drafted a good player. they need to trade for vets every fuckin year.

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17. "i think Sey could have a better year in Oak than he would have in NE"
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individually speaking

  

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25. "spoken like a true zeke defender"
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since they're going to suck anyway, they might as well do the thing that sucks a little less.

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60. "*deadpans*: this really isn't about isiah"
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12. "they got a good player without having to pay top 5 pick salary*"
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*i'm saying this not knowing how much seymour makes.....

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27. "makes 3.65 million this season..."
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13. "pretty much, but anything can happen in the NFL"
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>
>
>
>We could use the run d help, but is it worth a first round
>pick? Unless Oakland considerably improves this almost
>guarantees the Patriots a top 10 pick in 2011.

wait, no, they'll still suck. it's tough to see seymour go though. one more gone from the original super bowl team. that's 2 in a week. if i'm not mistaken it's just brady, faulk, light, and neal now.

  

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16. "the single way this backfires is if there is no 2011 draft"
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and even then, it's not a huge loss

but if there IS a 2011 draft, not only is this a potential #1 overall, its a potential #1 overall at bargain money once that standardized draft-pick pay scale is put in place.

genius all around.

  

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19. "Oakland Raiders"
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20. "my impression of patriots fans"
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yesterday: "They have to re-sign Seymour. He's so important to the defense. They should give him the money he deserves.'

today: "We don't need Seymour to win. Bill's a genius. This is the best trade ever."

  

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23. "those pats fans who said A most likely did not fathom this in the cards"
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i think most people thought NE wouldn't be able to sign him, he'd go elsewhere, and the Pats lose a good player with not much to show for it.

but a pay-regulated top 5 overall pick? that's a whole different tin of almonds

  

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aren't the patriots geniuses for not paying top picks money? Cmon.

  

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26. "take your pick. reread either 16 or 23"
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the Pats quite possibly won't have to pay that kind of "top draft money" in 2011, since 2011 will likely be the first draft with new rookie-pay rules. if there's a 2011 draft.

  

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so patriots aren't trying to win this year. they're trying to win in 2011.

  

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29. "the Pats are trying to win in"
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2009, a year where they're already stacked at DL
2010, a year where they'll now have more room to resign other players
2011, a year when they'll be able to pay the 1st overall draft pick peanuts

  

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32. "trading your best defensive player"
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isnt a 'win now' mentality. sorry. lose me with this genius shit.

the patriots are going to continue to lose their best players as they refuse to pay them. I mean, I can't remember the last super bowl they won.

  

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65. "i like Sey, but he was not our ''best defensive player'"
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and he was going to be playing musical chairs with a myriad of other talented DL this year

and he was likely not going to even be available for the whole season

and the Pats have had plenty of success winning games without him

when your offense is regularly hanging 40+ points on teams, one talented part time DE is not making or breaking your fortune

  

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but this is exactly what I said above. as soon as the team makes a move its brilliant. no matter what the fans said yesterday.

  

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117. "truth hurts."
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22. "NFL groupie bitches in Oaktown BEWARE!! "
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Y'all might wanna do a lil google search action on the Mrs. Y'all don't want it with her,lol!

  

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30. "Not sure how I feel about this yet.."
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Translation: I need a rock solid Patriots hate angle..

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31. "Could be a high price to pay, but right today this a good trade 4 both"
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33. "The League needs to step in and do something "
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The Raiders continue to make horrible trades with the Patriots...

something has to be done..it's not fair to the Raider franchise..

Richard Seymour for a #1 ?????? and you're one of the worst teams in the league so that #1 is going to be a top 10 pick..probably 5 pick for sure..

that's just amazing....

  

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40. "You dont know what your talking about..."
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this deal essentially breaks down as:

Raiders give Pats... Derrick Burgess and a 1st rounder in 2011

for


Richard Seymore and a 3rd and 5th rounder in 2009...


** Seymore will be re-signed and INSTANTLY improve our defense as a whole... even if he isnt re-signed he WILL be franchised...

compare that to the struggles Burgess has had since arriving in NE, and I think we came out ahead in this deal...

to bad we couldnt get the Pats to give up a late round draft pick for Andrew Walter, who they just released last Friday... or last year for Lamont Jordan who they dumped after one season...

  

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325. "He doesn't even want to report and now he will resign???"
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34. "Wow, most of these replies are proof of mind control/brainwashing"
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The media says the Raiders are crazy and people automatically assume it is true. Look at the facts...

1. Richard Seymour is a 5-time Pro Bowl defensive lineman and, what, a top-10 defensive linemen (I'll do a count later)

2. He's making 3.5 million this year

3. The Raiders run d has sucked for 6 straight years now due to no investment in the d-line.

4. Generally, a pick has value of Round minus 1 when you are talking about future picks

Could this be win-win since the Pats weren't gonna pay him anyways? I just hope Moss doesn't poison him before he gets there...

  

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35. "RE: Wow, most of these replies are proof of mind control/brainwashing"
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i dont know man.

i just wish that NOBODY would do deals with the pats cuz in the draft they always win.

please stop giving the pats extra 1st's. i'm looking at you too niners.

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36. "The Raiders have invested in the D-Line"
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They've just turned out to be really bad investments over the past few years. Like when they broke the bank to re-sign Terdell Sands.

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47. "Correct, I mispoke"
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Meant to say they haven't invested a high pick on the d-line since, well tyler brayton.

They've been trying to get by with undrafted free agents (Kelly, Sands) lower round picks (Richardson, Scott, etc) and other team's failed 1st rounders (Warren, the giants reject). And then there was Warren Sapp.

Ugh...feeling a bit worse about this now...

  

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39. "RE: Wow, most of these replies are proof of mind control/brainwashing"
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there is no brainwashing involved, i read the headline and was flabbergasted.

your round minus one thing doesnt enter into play here because we are talking about a top ten or five pick. that's huge any time it is foreseeable, which it is now. seymour is a good player who fills a need at a fair price and there must have been another team interested at a similar price for the deal to happen, but i still think this is purely a money move for oakland.

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50. "RE: Wow, most of these replies are proof of mind control/brainwashing"
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>your round minus one thing doesnt enter into play here because
>we are talking about a top ten or five pick. that's huge any
>time it is foreseeable, which it is now.

we'll see. I don't think we can assume the pick will be that high based on the state of the division.

>but i still think this is purely a money move for
>oakland.

Very important, overlooked consideration. Drafting that high for so long has dire consequences under the current system. Busts or not.

  

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37. "lots of banter here but bottom line this is a financial trade for Oaklan..."
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they get a guy they can use for this year and i guess next year (right?) at a reasonable price for a pick they'd have to pay God-knows-what in a very uncertain year financially for the NFL.

otherwise as a rebuilding team you dont trade what figures to be a top ten pick for a guy close to 30 under contract for a short term.

good deal for new england, have vs have not deal here, in terms of talent, money and good ownership.

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38. "Not a raiders fan. but this is a better move for them than it is the Pat..."
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41. "RE: Not a raiders fan. but this is a better move for them than it is the..."
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>.

Exactly!

We just got Seymore, a 3rd and 5th rounder THIS year for Derrick Burgess (who has been struggling in NE) and a 1st rounder two years from now...

  

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42. "i don't get this trade for either team"
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for the raiders, what, this is going to make you contend? you have one of the five worst rosters in the league in terms of talent 1-48. you're not winning shit this year. keep the pick and, you know, try not to spend it on a guy who will be available 20 picks later.

for the pats, this smacks of arrogance. i will buy the pats fan's argument that this guy is overrated. still, if you're trying to win a super bowl, why are you trading someone who can be a solid contributor off your defensive line when you have a team designed to win now? there's no guarantee brady is still at his peak in 2011. it seems like the Pats are just assuming they can win with whatever this year and keep building for the future. unless seymour looks completely awful or there's some huge thing the public doesn't know about, keep him and make your run.

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43. "RE: I asuume this is coming from an eagles fan.."
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the organization that holds ZERO rings but whose fans bark like they on Steeler status... when in reality the eagles are nothing more than a second rate, bum ass franchise who aint never won shit... every team in your division has MULTIPLE titles, yet Philly fans poke out their chest like they actually matter in the grand scheme of things... If the world ended today and the next civilization discovered an NFL Almanac the Eagles franchise wouldn't garner more than a footnote... book that.

and since you want to push all that (FALSE) hyperbole about the talent on our roster, why dont we talk about what really matters and discuss all that space in the Eagles trophy case...

RAIDERS >>>>>> Eagles... always and forever.

  

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48. "^^^^^^^ real m'fing talk"
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As defined in California Health & Safety Code Sec. 11362.5(B)(I)(A) & 11632.7(H)

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55. "44 to 6, bitch. Thanks for playing."
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nm

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59. "you say that like it will matter in a few years"
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though i guess nothing the eagles do ever matters after a few years

  

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109. "any time you get eliminated by a rival it matters"
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it will always matter that we went to the NFC title game and the team every dumbshit with a microphone picked to win the NFC running away missed the playoffs, yes.

the question is will the cowboys matter in this century? so far the answer is an emphatic no.

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188. "concrete cmon.."
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>>the question is will the cowboys matter in this century? so far the answer is an emphatic no.<<

will the eagles ever matter...eagle fan u know u gonna lose that battle EVERY time..

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277. "since 2000 one of the five best orgs in football, how about your 'boys"
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zero playoff wins.

historically, yes, dallas is obviously the better franchise but the same can be said for the raiders and bears and other teams that have clearly fallen behind in the past ten or so seasons

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61. "holding onto one single score huh?"
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straight pathetic yo.

here's another score for that ass.

5 SB's to 0 and the most post season wins of alltime.

get at me.

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108. "how about us dominating your ass for TEN years???"
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live in the now.

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111. "RE: how about us dominating your ass for TEN years???"
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you know, the eagles have been exponentially ethered enough times in this thread that i will let this go.

congratulations on winning regular season games, we are all very impressed with the Eagles.

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125. "you should be we OWN the division now and you guys do NOTHING"
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you're a step shy of this Raiders dipshit living in the past, enjoy the faded glory of Mike Irvin's coke compound because the Cowboys, just like the Redskins, are a spend-first, win-never franchise now.

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128. "those who do not know their history..."
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are doomed to repeat it.

so what your saying is we should just ignore everything that happened pre 2000?

wtf? do you hear yourself?

why do we even keep record of anything past ten years if, like you say, it doesn't matter?

face it, the eagles HAVE NO HISTORY OF GREATNESS!

cry about it.

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137. "Congratulations, you are now a Cleveland Browns fan"
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The Browns were once the toast of pro football, too, the Raiders have a pretty impressive history. They're basically meaningless today. Stare into the (immediate) future as a franchise doomed to erect statues of Tom Landry's hat and Jimmy Johnson's hair helmet in the hopes that they will inspire an actual WIN in the playoffs again.

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142. "if im a browns fan then wtf are you? a lions fan?"
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doggie, your done ended on this subject just let it go.

i could sit here and type out responses all day and watch you twist and contort them to fit your own agenda.

which is what? the eagles are better than the cboys and raiders because of the last ten years?

ok your right, the eagles shit on the boys because of all their recent NFC championship losses and one superbowl appearance in which they lost.
all that shit makes you a better franchise with a better future.

congratulations on your recent success which you have nothing to show for. you can join other recent bomb squads from the 00's which never won shit such as:

the chiefs
the chargers
the broncos

im sure nfl network will dedicate multiple episodes to the Eagles of the 00's recounting their glorious and illustrious...

i cant even finish that sentence.

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133. "Did this idiot really"
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just use the words "WIN-NEVER" in DEFENSE of the Eagles??

lmao...

  

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135. "RE: Did this idiot really"
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>just use the words "WIN-NEVER" in DEFENSE of the Eagles??
>
>lmao...


lol

how did i miss that?

*kicks self*

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220. "you can't say "five super bowls to zero" though"
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if you're counting appearances, it's 5 to 2
if you're counting titles, it's 3 to 0

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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285. "Soul is a Cowboys fan, not a Raiders fan"
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>if you're counting appearances, it's 5 to 2
>if you're counting titles, it's 3 to 0


  

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49. "^^i like this guy"
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51. "oh damn"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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52. "^^^lmao, this is almost as good as ghost's rant @ the end of gihad"
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go put some bologna on ya face, shells

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267. "RE: ^^^lmao, this is almost as good as ghost's rant @ the end of gihad"
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>go put some bologna on ya face, shells

http://tinyurl.com/n6ncy6

  

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54. "we win playoff games every year, you're worse than USC, cry about it"
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faggot

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68. "Thats what it's come down to?"
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Ya'll in this for playoff wins??

LMAO... see thats that second rate, bum ass mentality I was talking about... While Eagle fans talk loud about divisional round playoff victories, the Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins have been conducting championship parades... damn when you really think about it them niggas BEEN raping you, must be hard to consistently front on the fact that that ole bird ass franchise aint nothing more than the NFC East jazzabelle... loud mouthed one at that... always a bridesmaid NEVER a bride...dick dust... loose feathered bird flu ass football team...


good luck with them playoff vics though, too bad they never amounted to shit... word to Kenny King.

  

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76. "lmao"
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93. "http://i29.tinypic.com/smgh3p.jpg"
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115. "lmao"
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102. "sheesh."
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105. "You were a virgin the last time the Raiders won."
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Though oddly enough they could win this year and that would still probably be true.

Take your worthless piece of shit franchise and go back to your ugly cesspool of a second city, we're not looking at trades for the worst organization in football.

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114. "http://www.citizenlunchbox.com/monkey/famous/pix/george_ether.jpg"
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http://www.citizenlunchbox.com/monkey/famous/pix/george_ether.jpg

<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->

  

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118. "good lawd... save some for the rest of the season.. - LOL"
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this nga is MAD!! - LMAO!!!....
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119. "lmao"
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134. "lmao"
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141. "*acting stupid like a nigga who won the showcase on price is right*"
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____________________________________________________


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175. "lmmfao"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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147. "____________________________________________"
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This nigga said the NFC East Jazzebel!!!!! Gotdayum thats fiya!!!!!!!!!!!11

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156. "*throws in towel for philly fans* NO MORE! PLEASE! nm"
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195. "**CLOWNIN LIKE A NIGGA IN THE FRONT ROW OF DEF COMEDY JAM**"
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205. "LMBO!!!!! "
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217. "Oh shit ...ohhhhhhhh sheiittt LMAO DAYM "
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290. "LMAO "
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334. ""DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!"(c)Chris Rock"
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336. "!!!!!"
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56. "gotdamn"
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vicious

  

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58. "THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A EXHIBITION!!! *spits flies*"
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throw the damn towel!!!!


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62. "GAT DAYUM.... THIS NGA WENT IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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78. "damn, dude. put the pipe down."
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i mean, if you really think you've got talent on your roster, good for you. best of luck.

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144. "LMAO!!! shells went out like a shook white man at the movies FIYA!!!"
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____________________________________________________


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160. "oh, no doubt. i thought i was seeing frost/nixon, ended up in madea"
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103. "*busts out skewers and marshmallows, makes fine s'mores over this reply*"
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116. "everything u said is true BUT .....u do realize yall gotta play us this "
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yr right?
Eagles by 30

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120. "Imma need y'all to bring that 'TENSITY when PHI plays OAK"
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that should be some funny shyt..


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182. "i didn't even know it was raiders fans on here. this nigga bout to ether"
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himself for life

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124. "RE: everything u said is true BUT .....u do realize yall gotta play us t..."
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Ya'll could beat us by 50 and it wouldnt change anything... you'd still be a RINGless side story to the history of the NFL... better yet we were the first team to pop Eagle cherry so until you beat us in the big one or better yet bring a championship into the equation, the Raiders will always own ya'll asses...

In regards to October 18th though, I'll take us by six...

book that.

  

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198. "I'd take this bet right now if you really do wanna book that:"
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>
>In regards to October 18th though, I'll take us by six...
>
>book that.

I mean I don't care to get into a whole 'no Super Bowl wins' verus 'current laughingstock with no end in sight' franchise but I'll take your money.

  

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361. "up"
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362. "Well played"
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152. "http://splicd.com/aFiE-35oG1I/0/25"
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http://splicd.com/aFiE-35oG1I/0/25

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53. "I'll try and break it down without talking shit"
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Superbowl or AFC West? Main problem last year (and over the past few years) was run defense. If they force more teams into passing situations, the backers and corners are good/great in coverage. The west was there for the taking last year but the 2nd best team couldn't pull it off. Raiders are probably that second best team this year.

I'd say, off the top of my head, the Broncos, Chiefs, Rams, Lions, and Bucs have worse rosters. Raiders have top corner in the league, top punter, 3 quality running backs, tight end and left guard on the verge of the pro bowl, punt returner that should've gone, left tackle locked down some of the top ends in the game. Not exactly and empty cupboard.

Still on the draft? Look, Crabtree didn't make sense since they already have someone that has (somewhat) shown that he fill the short to intermediate role and is bigger and faster. Maclin didn't make sense b/c they already have the WR/KR type that excelled at that last year. They needed someone that could pull coverage his way and open up space for the run and the TE.

I can't speak for why the Pats did this outside of trying to get something instead of letting him walk.

  

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247. "the bucs have a worse roster than the Raiders?"
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That's a fucking hoot.

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250. "dawg, he cysed about having the best punter"
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just, lmao.

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287. "Fuck it, why not?"
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We were talking talent from 1-40something

  

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286. "Based on the last game of 2008, yes."
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And have the Bucs done anything to improve since then?

  

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66. "i'm not saying Sey is overrated at all. "
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he's just not worth nearly as much to NE as a low-salary top 5 pick will be worth to them

  

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44. "i dont get upset or happy anymore"
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about raider moves

but I do maintain that we could be better than Denver and KC.

Cable did well last year. I trust him so far.

  

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46. "RE: i dont get upset or happy anymore"
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>about raider moves
>
>but I do maintain that we could be better than Denver and KC.
>
>Cable did well last year. I trust him so far.


In all honestly, our division is up for grabs this year... I like the direction Cable has taken with the team, the strides Russell has made, and the decision to seriously upgrade our run defense by making a deal for Seymour... We're a better team than KC and Denver, and Norv Turner has a history of choking... SD has blue chip talent, but I dont see Turner as the person who can get the most out of that bunch... with that said it will probably come down to us and the Chargers for the division title...

  

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90. "This is exactly how I feel about the Raiders"
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>about raider moves
>
>but I do maintain that we could be better than Denver and KC.
>
>Cable did well last year. I trust him so far.

  

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45. "The Raiders may suck, but their division is terrible"
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so it really wouldn't be all that surprising if they somehow made the playoffs next year.

San Diego is about due to implode any season now
Kansas City is still years away
lol@Denver

it's not really that farfetched, so while it could be a good move for New England it certainly isn't as if there's no risk there

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57. "like what we get, but it sucks to see Seymour leave"
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He's been one of my favorite players the entire time he was here and he can still be very effective. He's an absolute beast as a 3-4 defensive end and he can be fantastic as a 4-3 DT getting into the backfield too.

That said, this is not the same Richard Seymour as he was 3-4 years ago. While he's still a very good player (and an absolute instant upgrade for the Raiders), I think he's been the Pats third best defensive lineman the last two years (Wilfork and Warren), and by getting a first rounder for him when you have a lot of depth at the position, it's the right move.

But seriously, it suuuuuuuuuuuuucks a lot to know we won't see big 93 lining up on our side anymore. One of the greatest draft picks in Patriot history and a true New England great.

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63. "why can't the patriots draft well?"
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ame3kNR0aQZZlTWaWSFIezlDubYF?slug=cr-seymour090609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

  

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64. "all i know is jake long was pushing him around like a rag doll last seas..."
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wilfork is much more valuable to that defense than seymour anyway.

while i've always felt that i'd rather have a very good player rather than a high draft pick considering the latter isn't a guarantee of anything, this is a good trade for new england, by 2011 oakland MIGHT be middle of the pack good, so the pats could have a top 15 pick along with their own...who knows, with 2 first rounders they might even trade up to draft a stud. they can replace seymour, wilfork is who they need to resign.

if not, you know he's coming home...the Tuna already got his agent's number on speed dial

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67. "When you consistently have one of the worst records in the league"
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You DO NOT consistently make trades with one of the best teams IN YOUR SAME CONFERENCE, that makes that good team even better.

you just don't do that....It's common sense in any sport...you don't make trades in your own division or conference when YOU are a bad team, and the other team is a good thing...

it shows that you are working against yourself..

and to add to that...when you are consistently a horrible team..you do NOT trade first round draft picks for older players...You just don't... You don't get better that way. and you trade a 1st round pick...AGAIN..to that same good team in your conference..

The Raiders continue to make common sense mistakes that other teams..in other sports simply don't make..and that is why they are currently a garbage franchise..

  

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69. "Wrong..."
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Name another time we've traded a first round pick to New England...

We essentially traded Derrick Burgess and a first rounder in 2011 to New England for Richard Seymour plus a third and fifth rounder in 2010...

dont see how thats a bad deal on any side....

  

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70. "RE: Wrong..."
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its the fact that the pats are already stacked.

thanks to the 49ers they got Jerod Mayo.

now thanks to the Raiders they not only got Moss for chump change but there is no telling what kind of talent they will get with this potential top 5 pick .

its just frustrating as a fan of an organization that actually wants to compete with the best team in the league and here go the Raiders helping them get even better.

As defined in California Health & Safety Code Sec. 11362.5(B)(I)(A) & 11632.7(H)

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74. "And this is the real reason people are pissed"
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>its just frustrating as a fan of an organization that actually
>wants to compete with the best team in the league and here go
>the Raiders helping them get even better.

Hey, Moss was available to everyone outside of the AFC West. Pats stepped up. Burgess has been on the block for two years.

And shouldn't Steeler fans be offended by the "best team in the league" remark?

  

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81. "RE: Wrong..."
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>its the fact that the pats are already stacked.
>
>thanks to the 49ers they got Jerod Mayo.
>
>now thanks to the Raiders they not only got Moss for chump
>change but there is no telling what kind of talent they will
>get with this potential top 5 pick .
>
>its just frustrating as a fan of an organization that actually
>wants to compete with the best team in the league and here go
>the Raiders helping them get even better.
>
>


Ya'll act like you're scared of Pats or something... so what they got an extra first rounder... no guarantee they turn it into anything, word to Chad Jackson... we needed to shore up our run defense to move to the next level as a football team... Acquiring Seymour goes a long way in solidifying the front seven... the short term goal for the Oakland Raiders is to win our division, cant do that without a move like this... without risk, there's no reward...

  

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100. "RE: Wrong..."
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what are you gonna say tho if/when that pick turns out to be a top ten pick?

are you still gonna maintain it was a good trade?

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101. "RE: Wrong..."
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>what are you gonna say tho if/when that pick turns out to be
>a top ten pick?
>
>are you still gonna maintain it was a good trade?


If it turns out to be a top 10 pick then so be it... I'm sure we'll acquire another first rounder that year anyway... see thats the benefit of having an owner like Al Davis, who will at least attempt to make a deal for the betterment of his franchise... unlike other owners who just sit back and do nothing...

and as a lifelong Raider/football fan, I learned a long time ago not too worry about what another team is doing in the off season... if NE gets a top ten pick out the deal, wtf do I care for... we made a play for perennial pro bowl player at are most glaring position of need... cant be mad at that... Seymour is proven, an unknown draft pick two years down the road is just that... unknown.

for all we know it could be a lockout that year...

  

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106. "RE: Wrong..."
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i can agree with the al davis thing.

kinda like how im glad to have Jerry Jones for an owner cuz at least he will try something unlike other owners who do nothing.

but come on, the last thing we want to see is the pats on the clock with the 4th pick in the draft.

i can understand worrying about gettin yours 1st and seymour is a great lineman but with the Raiders recent history of sucking it irks me.

oh, and i bet there is something in the trade that says if there is a lockout the Pats recoup some kind compensation as the Pats aint no dummies.

As defined in California Health & Safety Code Sec. 11362.5(B)(I)(A) & 11632.7(H)

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72. "I hear what you are saying"
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As of right now the Pats don't matter to the Raiders. Not on schedule, not in division.

A team should worry about handling stuff in the division before they start worrying about homefield advantage and the conference.

They need an answer for Merriman, Phillips, and Jamal before they need to even worry about Randy, Peyton, and them.

  

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73. "Good deal for the Raiders."
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Not the best, but teh Pats haven't had much luck with first round draft picks as of late sooooooooooo

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75. "http://tiny.cc/hpRZT"
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http://tiny.cc/hpRZT

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79. "chad jackson, phoney maroney, eugene chung"
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84. "hahaha"
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You're so funny when you talk about the Pats. If I couldn't feel the hate through the screen, I'd think your take on Patriots football was parody.

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85. "Does it hurt when you realize Cere is right?"
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>You're so funny when you talk about the Pats. If I couldn't
>feel the hate through the screen, I'd think your take on
>Patriots football was parody.
>
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cereffusion
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96. "your best pick past three years was a kicker"
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good job!!!!

  

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88. "jackson wasn't a first round pick"
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91. "Stop."
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92. "and maroney aint a bust...shit, i'd take him over reggie bush lol"
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95. "I'd take LBs Finest over Bush... given a month prep time"
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Given the way he'd run through a wall for Kobe, he'd probably be better between the tackles than Bush.

  

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311. "underrated reply"
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112. "Wow.. you dusted off Eugene Chung for this. lol"
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That's that good hate.

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86. "Watch the Raiders make the playoffs."
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Oh and Paps went the fuck in.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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87. "maybe in franchise mode in madden"
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89. "The Cardinals went to the Super Bowl...."
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Now I will give you the fact that they play in the weakest division in the league but they still went. Anything can happen in the nfl.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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94. "chargers are winning the afc west with ease"
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>Now I will give you the fact that they play in the weakest
>division in the league but they still went. Anything can
>happen in the nfl.

arizona got hot in the playoffs. but they were in that position because they didn't have much competition for their division crown. to make the playoffs oakland needs to either win their division, which definitely aint happening, or snatch a wildcard spot, which in the afc requires like 11 wins, and they damn sure aint winning 11 games

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99. "Okay..."
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can ya'll start posting who your teams are when coming at the raiders organization... Up until now I havent posted much in this forum to know what type of fan I'm dealing with when it comes to the NFL...

Cause if this bozo ^^^ is really a Dolphins fan, he only gets half a post...

  

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110. "LMAO, the Raiders are the worst franchise in football with the worst fan..."
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TV blackouts, empty seats, 1-15 records, go kill yourself dipshit.

Oh and you also have the worst stadium, it makes Candlestick Park look state of the art and that place is as big of a dump as the Vet was.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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126. "they're horrible, but yu don't have to make stuff up to prove that:"
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>1-15 records
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139. "for 6 seasons they average 5 wins, was looking for worst season"
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turns out to be 2-14, correction printed.

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127. "Wow."
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you must enjoy the abuse, cause you really sound stupid now... how are we the worst organization in pro football when we have three more championships than you?? have more playoff victories than the you?? Have our players lining the hallways of Canton Ohio... If we're the worst franchise in football what does that make Eagles?? what? you feel like lickin' your own feathers cause ya'll won a few playoff games over the past six seasons we been down... shit we took SIX years off and you still aint accomplish a tenth of what we've done as an organization you bum ass nigga... Ya'll been in this league for 50 fucking years and still aint won ONE damn ring... do you know how hard that is to do?? even the damn ravens stumbled across a ring... the lowly Rams even put together a nice little run... Just think about that for a minute...




You cant even legitimately pop shit to a Rams fan... how pathetic is that? Shit the Buffalo Bills look down on you, for crying out loud... they clutch their FOUR AFC championship rings every time you greasy hunchback muhfukkas hit the corner...

the rest of the owners that have actually accomplished something should reward your pathetic ass fanbase a lifetime supply of bird seed for enduring that filth for all these years... cant be easy for all them hardworking, high cholesterol, mullet wearin, psuedo tough guy, standing over a grill all-day flippin' fans to pony up half that cheese steak pay check only to be let down year after year... the day you engine dirt and Brill cream fingered Eagle fans touch a ring will be the day you decide to clean ya bath tub... dirty bastids...

and in closing, I just want to say from the bottom of my piss filled, purple haze scented, "family friendly" prison yard we call the Oakland coliseum:

"thanks for playing, and here's to another 50 years of Eagle futility"...

  

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149. "What is the Super Bowl called? The NFL championship"
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In any case I gotta hand it to you, these other cats are in here with broken spirits and you're still holding onto 25-50-year old moments of glory and popping shit. You and Soul on Fire (who is a pussy who went ghost for almost two entire seasons) can go get beers when the Eagles go 3-0 against your has-been franchises. Then you can have another joyous meeting come playoff time when you will be forced to watch the Eagles, Patriots, Colts and other franchises that win TODAY while your teams get a jump on training for another 16 and only 16-game season.

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157. "which goes back "
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to the age old question... "What have the Eagles won?"

They've been in the league for 50 years and dont have shit to show for it... when they do the Eagles highlight reel from their "successful" seasons it always ends with their heads hung low and people like tom Brady and Jim Plunkett across the field celebrating...

God bless Reggie White but he had to move to fucking Wisconsin to get a ring cause he knew the Eagles aint built to raise banners...


and you aint slick trying to throw the eagles garbage ass accomplishments in the same sentence as the Colts and Patriots, two teams that actually WON the super bowl... I tell ya, always a bridesmaid...

  

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159. "Three NFL Championships"
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Raiders have won three Super Bowls and an AFL championship. The AFL was a good league but it never the NFL, it got absorbed, now the NFL championship is called the Super Bowl. Being hung up on that gives a narrow view of history, really the Eagles are not the team being sold shortest there more so the Bears and Giants, both of whom are better franchises than either the Eagles or the Raiders.

The Raiders haven't won since '83 but since their fans have mostly been smoking meth and crouching to piss in alleys since I figure they have not really noticed.

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165. "We've won this decade..."
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2000, 20001, 2002 AFC West champs

2002 AFC Champion

2002 Appearance in Super Bowl (lost to former head coach)...


but based off your standards of excellence I dont have to go back to 83'... but unlike you I can go back to times when we've won the whole damn thing...


  

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279. "So? We've DOMINATED a much better division, won a conf, 5 title games"
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>2000, 20001, 2002 AFC West champs
>
>2002 AFC Champion
>
>2002 Appearance in Super Bowl (lost to former head coach)...
>
>
>but based off your standards of excellence I dont have to go
>back to 83'... but unlike you I can go back to times when
>we've won the whole damn thing...


you've won "the whole damn thing" three times, four counting the AFL title, Eagles have three NFL titles, how much better is that?

for 20 years the Eagles have been the better franchise, for ten years they have been the MUCH better franchise and for five years the Philadelphia Soul have been better than the fucking Raiders.

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166. "RE: Three NFL Championships"
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Al Davis was commissioner of the AFL so even then you losing...

nice try

  

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158. "*FANS SELF LIKE OLD LADY IN THE FRONT ROW OF CHURCH*"
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This literally is some of the greatest trash-talk I've ever seen on this board. By anyone. Ever.

>the rest of the owners that have actually accomplished
>something should reward your pathetic ass fanbase a lifetime
>supply of bird seed for enduring that filth for all these
>years... cant be easy for all them hardworking, high
>cholesterol, mullet wearin, psuedo tough guy, standing over a
>grill all-day flippin' fans to pony up half that cheese steak
>pay check only to be let down year after year... the day you
>engine dirt and Brill cream fingered Eagle fans touch a ring
>will be the day you decide to clean ya bath tub... dirty
>bastids...
>
>and in closing, I just want to say from the bottom of my piss
>filled, purple haze scented, "family friendly" prison yard we
>call the Oakland coliseum:
>
>"thanks for playing, and here's to another 50 years of Eagle
>futility"...

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174. "best philly hate EVER"
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give this man an award.


>You cant even legitimately pop shit to a Rams fan... how
>pathetic is that? Shit the Buffalo Bills look down on you, for
>crying out loud... they clutch their FOUR AFC championship
>rings every time you greasy hunchback muhfukkas hit the
>corner...
>
>the rest of the owners that have actually accomplished
>something should reward your pathetic ass fanbase a lifetime
>supply of bird seed for enduring that filth for all these
>years... cant be easy for all them hardworking, high
>cholesterol, mullet wearin, psuedo tough guy, standing over a
>grill all-day flippin' fans to pony up half that cheese steak
>pay check only to be let down year after year... the day you
>engine dirt and Brill cream fingered Eagle fans touch a ring
>will be the day you decide to clean ya bath tub... dirty
>bastids...

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184. "RE: best philly hate EVER"
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holy fuck that is some good hate.

i'm literally saving this shit in notepad for future reference. fuck it i might just have to make it my sig shit is that eloquent.

*passes out laughing*

even Bomb wont come in and save your ass! the whole damn platoon done helicoptered off the island leaving you clutching your rifle as charlie circles your body savoring the kill.

As defined in California Health & Safety Code Sec. 11362.5(B)(I)(A) & 11632.7(H)

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180. "LMAO"
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275. "Easy playa..."
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>even the damn ravens stumbled across a ring...

-2000 AFC/SB Champs
-2003, 2006 AFC North Champs
-Playoff Appearances in 2000, 2001, 2003, 2006, 2008 (AFC Championship)
-Consistent Draft Performers producing 3 Future Hall of Famers: Lewis, Ogden, Reed
-First Black NFL GM in Ozzie Newsome
-Produced 4 Head Coaches from D. Coordinator level: M. Lewis, J. Del Rio, M. Nolan, R. Ryan

Not bad for a franchise with a 13 year history, and don't anyone approach that BS about them inheriting some of the Browns legacy - only 2 Browns on the SB Team were Rob Burnett and Matt Stover...


Streets won't let me chill.

  

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298. "I would Never discredit"
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what the Ravens have accomplished in 13 years and off the back of Raymond Lewis with anything Cleveland Brown related... now you want to talk about a delusional ass sports town Cleveland is worse than Philly...


  

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146. "Naw man you gotta pull back here"
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>Oh and you also have the worst stadium, it makes Candlestick
>Park look state of the art and that place is as big of a dump
>as the Vet was.

I'm a 49er fan and I'd do a dance of joy if we could play there.
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148. "fair enough, the stick is a big time dump"
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what is with that parking lot?

one day it will happen, like i said the vet was awful and now we have a great facility. the only difference is that the location was always decent in philly, i hate how candlestick doesn't have access by public transport.

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121. "Cardinals had a bunch of playmakers"
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113. "its not probable, but its definitely possible"
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104. "You don't trade 1st rounders for 30 year old linemen"
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unless you're one player away from making a title run ... and we all know the Raiders are hardly that. You can't rebuild with a player who will be on the backside of his career by the time you have a real playoff shot.
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107. "eggfuckingzackly!!!!!"
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look at the pro bowl linemen who have changed hands in recent years, they have been commanding a 3rd and a 5th for the most part and that represented a RAISE from the old standard. tackles and ends alike.

only jared allen and john abraham commanded more that i can think of and they were both in the prime of their career going to teams looking to contend for real.

oakland overpaid on purpose, they are too cheap to pay another first round pick and they are afraid of the potential chaos of next season. davis can't understand the day to day workings of the NFL anymore, let alone an exceptional situation like that, sad.

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129. "Glass house mentality..."
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WTF did the Eagles pay Jevon Kearse and how did that work out?? If that wasnt an overspend on a BAD investment I dont know what the hell is...

You can talk about DeAngelo Hall, Jevon Walker, Larry fucking Brown all you want... but the bottom line is that even on our worst day we matter more than the bum ass eagles... you know it, I know it, this whole damn forum knows it...

hell go to fucking Morrocco and ask them what a "Philadelphia Eagle" is and I'm willing to bet the first thing they think of is a fucking bar drink...




  

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130. "lol. what would be in a Philadelphia Eagle?"
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132. "Easy..."
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the "metaphorical" penises of the Oakland Raiders, New England Patriots, Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, Washington Redskins. Terrell Owens, and Bernard Hopkins...

thanks for playing, lol...

  

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218. "yuengling and bitters"
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*Jews you*

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Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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138. "Whatever makes you feel better knowing there's no point in even watching"
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We knew Kearse had injuries but the time he stayed healthy he delivered and in the end his contract was structured so we didn't have to pay out a lot to part ways with him. That Giants game that basically ended his career should never have gone to OT, by the way, total bullshit.

Face it, the Raiders are worthless, sure the Hawks were once an NBA powerhouse and there was a time when the Islanders were arguably the second greatest dynasty in the NHL but those teams are now punchlines just like the Raiders are.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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162. "You stay losing.. "
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When were the Atlanta Hawks an NBA powerhouse?? lmao... Dominique ever make the Finals? Does he have any rings?? Is that who Eagles fans use as a measuring stick for success? The Atlanta Hawks...

fuck it, I'll just put it out there since you make it so easy:

Philadelphia Eagles = Atlanta Hawks...

congrats homie!

  

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140. "The only reason the Raiders matter at all now is due to their futility"
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The worst run in NFL history will get you known world wide no doubt. Just last week this local sports guy here in Sacramento was telling the story of him getting into a cab in Egypt. He had a Raider hat on and once the driver saw it, turned around and said "no good" giving the thumbs down .... so yeah they matter. Just not the way you want them to.


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164. "Dont get me started on the 49ers..."
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please dont....

  

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221. "Please do"
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Being a Raider fan I'm sure it will be quite hilarious
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223. "can we have a spin off where paps just goes after every team?"
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that would be an absolutely hilarious post.

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224. "local radio here is sayin its better to be a Lions fan than a Raiders fa..."
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FTR that is not my opinion.

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123. "/post"
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>You don't trade 1st rounders for 30 year old linemen

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131. "RE: You don't trade 1st rounders for 30 year old linemen"
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>unless you're one player away from making a title run ... and
>we all know the Raiders are hardly that. You can't rebuild
>with a player who will be on the backside of his career by the
>time you have a real playoff shot.


and you honestly dont think Al Davis could move back into the first round of the 2011 draft if he wanted too... come one man, ya'll need to start thinking logically and stop being brain fed by the media...

You act like we the only franchise who has traded away a first rounder for a draft TWO years down the line for a perennial Pro Bowl defensie lineman who is coming off a very good season...

on top of that how much younger can we get? We have the youngest team in the league as it stands... another first round draft pick in 2011 really gonna help us turn the corner versus a three time champion who is still playing at a peak level?

  

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143. "High 1st rounders are a premium"
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Teams just don't give them away like that. Yeah you might be able to get one back but I can bet you it wouldn't be within 10 spots of the pick the Pats now have.

I do think dude is going to help your team. But how much is 5-11 vs 7-9 or 8-8 going to matter in the end.
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161. "who else has done it and how/WHY would they trade back up?"
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Jared Allen was younger than Seymour and a much better pass rusher, otherwise DEs/DTs go for a third and a fifth, even at Seymour's level.

It's not that easy to move back into the top 5/10 picks, it would take a future first or a couple of seconds in which case and it would still cost them the money to sign the player so what was the point of making this trade to begin with?

Please, by all means, spend a lifetime defending the awesome moves of the Raiders who have managed to remain completely non-competitive despite playing in the AFC's worst division.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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168. "Come on dude..."
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Every April teams are begging to trade out of the top 10... If Al saw a player he wanted that high best believe he'd go get him... teams are always trading up into the first round... always...

  

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122. "cot damn that fool paps up in here incinerating niggas"
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136. "he's on the list for "Best New Poster" off this post alone. "
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just came out with the blammer for fools

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"You post like you look your barber in the eyes when he lines you up."

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163. "This reply ALONE has some GOAT-level hate in it."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_mesg&forum=8&topic_id=1289587&mesg_id=1290158&page=

I don't care who you are, that shit is funny. Period.

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256. "RE: This reply ALONE has some GOAT-level hate in it."
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"the day you engine dirt and Brill cream fingered Eagle fans touch a ring will be the day you decide to clean ya bath tub"

this one took me a sec, which made it even better.

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171. "He's probably the Raiders #1 offseason acquisition. Too bad he can't"
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suit up. We owed them (the Raiders) a little extra love off the strength of the Tampa Bay victory, but after this post were gonna call it even. We will see them fools October 18th.


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176. "i swear dude wrote the book and teaches "How to Hate 101""
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shit is immaculate

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281. "A+ Shit Talkin'. Can't Wait To See How PAPS develops......"
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145. "good deal for BOTH teams."
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be honest, Al Davis would FUCK UP that pick anyway.

and like stated above, Seymour would've left next year anyway.

win-win.

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151. "how is that win/win?"
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the patriots trade a veteran who has 1-2 seasons left with the team and probably 1-2 good seasons left for a top draft choice and because the raiders would likely have made a bad pick they "win" somehow?

it's a win from the standpoint of putting money in the raiders pockets, which they could do alternatively by winning games and selling tickets.

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154. "ok, it's not a win, but it's better than letting Al fuck shit up yet aga..."
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which he would have done. Oaktown is better off trading their picks as long as that nutcase is still running the show.

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150. "sorry, raiders fans cannot say anything about the Eagles right now."
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seriously.



  

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167. "you guys kill me... lol"
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there's only ONE NFL team that a Raider fan really cant say anything to.. three if we're being rational about it...

Steelers
Cowboys
49ers

Pats Giants get respect.. but fuck the Pats though, it will always be a fumble...

49ers aint on our level despite having two more rings.. cowboys get respect... Steelers on some next level shit, but fuck them too for the Immaculate DEception...

  

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173. "not really. you haven't won anything in years. a lot of years."
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fam, you haven't even made the playoffs since what 2002 right? *checks math* yeah. 7 years.

after getting destroyed in the superbowl by the bucs?

it's all about current success when it comes to sports imo. The cowboys may have more SBS than the Eagles, but they haven't won a playoff game since 1996...so that's all nullified. Past copule of years...Eagles have been very successful...Raiders have not...that simple.

At the end of the day winning SB is the most important thing...butI damn sure would rather make the playoffs consistently, get to the sb as opposed to having terrible season after terrible season
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178. "Which is it then?"
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Winning the Bowl or just winning some games?

And if winning some games is enough, why don't you all just leave McNabb alone then?

  

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179. "RE: not really. you haven't won anything in years. a lot of years."
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>fam, you haven't even made the playoffs since what 2002
>right? *checks math* yeah. 7 years.
>
>after getting destroyed in the superbowl by the bucs?
>
>it's all about current success when it comes to sports imo.
>The cowboys may have more SBS than the Eagles, but they
>haven't won a playoff game since 1996...so that's all
>nullified. Past copule of years...Eagles have been very
>successful...Raiders have not...that simple.
>
>At the end of the day winning SB is the most important
>thing...butI damn sure would rather make the playoffs
>consistently, get to the sb as opposed to having terrible
>season after terrible season


how you gonna nullify 5 super bowls?

you know The New York Giants, between 1963 and 1981, failed to qualify for the playoffs entirely. That's 18 years with 0 playoff appearances and 0 wins.

you think i'm trippin cuz the cboys haven't won a playoff game in 13 years? you know we have won more playoff games (32) than any other franchise, really we are just trying to let ya'll catch up which you still havent done.

leave it to an eagles fan to look at things "in the now" and consider just making it to the SB an accomplishment.

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193. "c'mon.."
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>how you gonna nullify 5 super bowls?

>you know The New York Giants, between 1963 and 1981, failed to
>qualify for the playoffs entirely. That's 18 years with 0
>playoff appearances and 0 wins.

and that was embarrassing as hell. That was THEN, this is NOW. Current dunnie. Why would fans OR the players be thinking about past accomplishments? I'm a Yankee fan and for a while we were on top winning titles, but we haven't won in a couple years...what can I say to a Redsux fan "ooh we have 26 titles"? "but did you win then"? Nah..that's childish lol.

>you think i'm trippin cuz the cboys haven't won a playoff game
>in 13 years? you know we have won more playoff games (32) than
>any other franchise, really we are just trying to let ya'll
>catch up which you still havent done.

no, you guys just can't win a playoff game. Don't try to minimize your impotence.
>
>leave it to an eagles fan to look at things "in the now" and
>consider just making it to the SB an accomplishment.
>

lol i'm not even an eagles fan.

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196. "RE: c'mon.."
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>
>and that was embarrassing as hell. That was THEN, this is NOW.
>Current dunnie. Why would fans OR the players be thinking
>about past accomplishments? I'm a Yankee fan and for a while
>we were on top winning titles, but we haven't won in a couple
>years...what can I say to a Redsux fan "ooh we have 26
>titles"? "but did you win then"? Nah..that's childish lol.
>

maybe the players shouldn't live in the past but as a fan i rep the entire history of my team. i will never stop reppin' every SB trophy we got going back to the 70's till i die cuz they are that special.


>>
>
>lol i'm not even an eagles fan.

then what are you doing with that picture of McNabb and Vick in ur avy?


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210. "STFU!!"
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You know damn well you and every other misguided sports fan in the city of Philadelphia would trade in all them playoff victories for just one of our rings... and we all know which one that'd be... word to Harold Charmicheal...

Houston Oilers >>>>>>> Philadelphia Eagles.

  

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236. "FOH"
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We ain't made the playoffs in 6 years...

Until this run...we were the winningest franchise in all of pro sports. So miss me with the Raider hate, we been obliteratin niggas existence since forever.

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208. "maaaaaaaan, act the FUCK right, nigga..."
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>there's only ONE NFL team that a Raider fan really cant say
>anything to.. three if we're being rational about it...
>
>Steelers
>Cowboys
>49ers

sheeit.

http://i30.tinypic.com/5of1cg.jpg

*the* premier flagship nfl franchise. point blank, period, end of discussion.

- most wins
- most hall of famers
- 2nd most chips
- best fans
- our original coach was only the guiding force behind the CREATION OF THE FUCKING LEAGUE ITSELF
- oh and in case you forgot, all we did a few yrs back was field THE GREATEST TEAM IN NFL HISTORY™

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209. "Neegro Please..."
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This whole discussion BEEN about the NFL... SBI through present day... RIP Walter Payton and all respect due to the 85 defense but fuck the Bears, but post Super Bowl I they aint fucking with us...

  

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228. "awwww hell naw this nigga done... this nigga done... "
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he done TOOK IT THERE!

  

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278. "umm..."
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i don't give a shit what it BEEN BOUT, my dude. bottom line, we ain't discussing the glorious nfl franchises w/o the bears even garnering a mention. not while i'm around. fuck all that.

you wanna big-up new jacks like the niners + pats - w/ little 10-yr blips of dominance over the history of a hundred-yr-old league - and ignore the assn's most illustrious + praiseworthy flagship, feel free, that's your prerogative. but be clear: i'ma talk about it.

(oh and you disrespected the pack too, but fuck them niggas)

and motherfuck 'super bowl era'. what's next, we only gon' talk abt rap during the 'soulja boy era'? foh nigga, miss me w/ that yo. you can't clown iggles fans for truncating the timeline + then turn around and do the same shit.

and again: PAPA BEAR HALAS ESSENTIALLY CREATED THE NFL.

and again again: WE FIELDED ARGUABLY THE BEST RB EVER *AND* THE BEST DEFENSE EVER, ON THE *SAME TEAM*

^^^cmon.

now i'm finished w/ what the fuck i had to say, y'all can continue on © caps lock p




>This whole discussion BEEN about the NFL... SBI through
>present day... RIP Walter Payton and all respect due to the 85
>defense but fuck the Bears, but post Super Bowl I they aint
>fucking with us...

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282. "RE: umm..."
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I gave the Bears props and also acknowledge what they mean to the sport... HOWEVER, I can care less about an era when they didnt let my people participate... you wanna talk about Knute Rockne, the Four Horseman, and the Silver fucking Surfer to make the Bears seem relevant then go ahead... but it dont register with me or what we're talking about...

In regards to the GB Packers they went through a period of TWENTY FOUR seasons with only TWO playoff appearances... 1968 - 1992... one in 1972 and one in 1982 which was a strike shortened season...


  

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284. "^^^^^^^^YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"
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g'head my nigga, do you, rep that soulja boy era

it is what it is tho

>you wanna talk about Knute Rockne, the Four Horseman, and the Silver
>fucking Surfer to make the Bears seem relevant then go ahead...

oh but you can go back to the era of marty mcfly, flock of seagulls and fucking boogaloo shrimp to pull a raidahs c'ship outcha ass?

again: arbitrary truncation

you can't rewrite history + you can't "a la carte" this shit, picking + choosing what *you* decide to be noteworthy

it all "counts"

now if pre-merger + pre-integration don't count in *your* book, that's fine. your business. in the REAL WORLD, i'd say the bears are certainly a historically relevant nfl franchise, to say the very least. lol.

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297. "Never said they weren't..."
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relevant on a national scale... but as far as I'M concerned they aint messing with the Raiders legacy in regards to the NFL... again the NFL... hell, when's the last time you seen a thread in this forum discussing the attributes of Syd Luckman?? Nobody outside Chicago and Green Bay give a flying fizzuck what transpired in 1940's football... lmao @ you having to go back to WWII era football to be relevant... if it aint post-1960 and Super Bowl 1, it means absolutely NOTHING in the context of this thread...

  

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306. "doggs..."
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i don't HAVE to go back to anything to prove my point. i just CHOSE to.

even ignoring all the pre-merger history:

we've WON a super bowl more recently than you guys.

we've PLAYED in a super bowl more recently than you guys.

and we're BETTER than you guys RIGHT TODAY.

how on earth does that equal "raider legacy >>> bears legacy" in your mind?

you've won more "super bowls" than we have. that's your only leg to stand on here, and as i've said, in a macro sense it's an entirely arbitrary delineation. you're just establishing a randomly shifting window where your argument is valid, and ignoring any outlying facts that refute it. classic intellectual dishonesty. i know you're new around these parts, but ppl don't exactly discuss jim plunkett or fucking snake stabler here any more than they discuss luckman, so i don't see what point you were making there.

i mean, shit. we got guys who never even made the playoffs (butkus, sayers) that are better than anyone who's ever played for your squad, lol.

shit, man. what we talkin bout? © hov

you were wrong to leave the bears off that list you posted in #167. period. their legacy, whichever random slice of it you choose to analyze, supersedes that of every other nfl franchise. that's my ONLY point in this exchange.

now i really am done here. you kids have fun.

(dig your style btw. came thru this bitch hurling kerosene molotovs @ niggas, lol)




>relevant on a national scale... but as far as I'M concerned
>they aint messing with the Raiders legacy in regards to the
>NFL... again the NFL... hell, when's the last time you seen a
>thread in this forum discussing the attributes of Syd
>Luckman?? Nobody outside Chicago and Green Bay give a flying
>fizzuck what transpired in 1940's football... lmao @ you
>having to go back to WWII era football to be relevant... if it
>aint post-1960 and Super Bowl 1, it means absolutely NOTHING
>in the context of this thread...

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310. "Since you really want it..."
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(Since 1960)

Head to Head Matchups: OAK - 6 Chicago - 6
Playoff appearances: OAK - 21 Chicago - 14
Divisional Titles: OAK - 17 Chicago - 12
Super Bowl Victories: OAK - 3 Chicago - 1

QB: Stabler, Plunkett, LaMonica, Gannon, Blanda
HB: Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, Clem Daniels
TE: Dave Casper, Raymond Chester, Todd Christensen
T: Art Shell, Lincoln Kennedy
G: Gene Upshaw, Steve Wisniewski, Wayne Hawkins
C: Jim Otto, Don Mosebar
WR: Tim Brown, Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch, Art Powell

DE: Howie Long, Ben Davidson, Greg Townsend
DT: Chester McGlockton, Otis Sistrunk
LB: Ted Hendricks, Rod Martin, Phil Villapiano
CB: Willie Brown, Lester Hayes, Mike Haynes, Charles Woodson, Nnamdi Asomugha, Terry McDaniel, Fred Williamson
S: Jack Tatum, George Atkinson,
P: Ray Guy, Shane Lechler


That breaks down to 168 pro bowl appearances and 64 All Pro selections

Jim Otto >>>>>> Dick Butkus


run that.

  

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320. "HAHAHAHAHA PATHETIC!!!!! ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC"
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Wed Sep-09-09 09:15 AM by JAESCOTT777

  

          

KC cant claim Montana
SF cant claim Oj
Boston cant claim Nique

YALL FAGGOTS CANT CLAIM BLANDA
he hardly even played with yall he just went there before he stopped playing FOH




Here is our list of all pros and HOF'ers.


Tackles

George Connor 4x
Ed Healey 4x
Kline Gilbert 1x
Fred Davis 1x
Bill Wightkin 1x
James O. Williams 1x
Hugh Blacklock 1x
John Federovitch 1x
Del Bjork T 0 1 1938
Jack Torrance 1x
Joe Mihal 2x
Ed Kolman 1x




LB's

Bill George 8x
Otis Wilson 1x
Brendon Ayanbadejo 2x
Wilber Marshall 2x
Lance Briggs 4x
Joe Fortunato 5x
Brian Urlacher 6x
Dick Butkus 8x
Mike Singletary 7x


RB/HB

Bob Snyder 2x
Glyn Milburn 1x
Neal Anderson 4x
Gale Sayers 5x
Walter Payton 5x
Beattie Feathers 1x
Paddy Driscoll 3x
John Hoffman 2x
Jack Manders 2x
George McAfee 1x
Harry Clarke 2x
Red Grange 2x
Frank Maznicki 1x
Hugh Gallarneau 1x
Willie Galimore 1x
Bob Swisher 2x
Ray McLean 2x
Ray Nolting 2x
Cecil Turner 1x
Johnny Morris 1x
Bronko Nagurski 4x
Norm Standlee 1x
Gary Famiglietti 3x
Phil Martinovich 1x
Chick Jagade 1x
Joe Marconi 1x
John Dottley 1x
John Petty 1x
Bill Osmanski 3x
Rick Casares 5x
Guy Chamberlin 1x

Guards

Zuck Carlson 1x
Aldo Forte 2x
George Musso 3x
Chuck Drulis 1x
Danny Fortmann 6x
Stan Jones G-DT-T 7x
Ray Bray 4x
Bill Hughes 1x
Hal Lahar 1x
Ruben Brown 1x
Al Baisi 2x
Mark Bortz 2x
Jim McMillen 2x
Joe Kopcha 3x
Dick Barwegan 3x


DE's/DT's

Dick Plasman 2x
Bob Nowaskey 2x
John Siegal 3x
George Wilson 3x
Bill Hewitt 3x
Gene Schroeder 1x
Harlon Hill 3x
Eggs Manske 1x
Hampton Pool 2x
Ken Kavanaugh 2x
Bill Karr E 1x
Luke Johnsos 2x
Bill Bishop 1x
Steve McMichael 2x
Fred Williams 4x
Wally Chambers 3x
Tommie Harris 3x
Ed Sprinkle 4x
Dan Hampton 4x
Richard Dent 4x
Doug Atkins 8x
Ted Washington 1x

DB's:

Ron Smith 1x
Todd Bell 1x
J.C. Caroline 1x
Don Kindt 1x
Allan Ellis 1x
Erich Barnes 1x
Jerry Azumah 1x
Donnell Woolford 1x
Shaun Gayle 1x
Larry Whigham 1x
Nathan Vasher 1x
Mark A. Carrier 3x
Mike Brown 2x
Dave Duerson 4x
Rosey Taylor 2x
Gary Fencik 2x
Richie Petitbon 4x
Devin Hester 2x

Centers:

Bulldog Turner 7x
Chet Chesney 1x
Ookie Miller 1x
Jay Hilgenberg C-G 7x
Mike Pyle 1x
Frank Bausch 1x
Al Matuza 1x
Larry Strickland 1x
George Trafton 2x
Olin Kreutz C 6x


Joe Maniaci 2x
Gene Ronzani 1x
Pete Stinchcomb 2x

WR

Dick Gordon 2x
Marty Booker 1x

TE

Mike Ditka 5x

oh yeah also lets reinterate:

6 more NFL championships
281 more wins
1985
Sweetness
Kansas Comet
Singletary
Butkis
Halas
Ditka


Kneegrow Dont you EVIEEERRRRR in yourrr LYEFFFF (c)Malcom x disrespect us

The funny shit is you dont see BEARS fans always stuck in the past like Raidas fans.... even though we have much more of a reason to..You faggots are all the same and its hillarious

always bringing up old shit to take way from the fact that yall are a fucking joke of an organization who will never be more relevant than us even in our darkest years.

WTF nigga

Black Hole? LOL yeah pefect name
since its the asshole of Cali and the NFL in general
its where formally great players go to be wahsed up
and where rookies go to be future top 10 bust A listers

Niggas put on shoulder pads and paint their face after smokin some bomb ass meth to take away the pain of a 35-10 loss at home to the Chargers yet again.

I feel sorry for yall niggas














  

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PAPS
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321. "living in the past huh?"
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Why is it that you Bears fans have to keep going back to the fucking depression era to juice your stats but its us Raider fans who live in the past... newsflash, you goat cheese and buttered brautworst eatin', end every word in a plural, tight starter jacket wearin muhfukka... This whole discussion and what I'm talking about is predicated on the NFL which began circa 1960... no need to mention the likes of Bulldog Turner, Ookie Miller, Reg Grange, and all the rest of them old ass... long forgotten... three stooge pajama set wearin'... Huckleberry Finn pocket knife wavin'... Biff from "Back to the Future" has-beens from the Little Rascals era who used to carry their play books on a belt buckle... damn it didnt register to your slow ass that you were reaching when you had to resort to listing running backs with last names like Maznicki, Famiglietti, and Osmanski??

Poor guy, but you cant help it, you're just an ole dumb ass bears fan... better luck next time scooter...

"Duh Bears!"

lmao...

  

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JAESCOTT777
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323. "1st off We dont live in the past thats my point "
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Wed Sep-09-09 01:10 PM by JAESCOTT777

  

          

YALL do

Far as Running backs with last name ____ski
its no need because you havent had anybody in silver and black who is even within 20 miles of Sweetness

hell or even Gayle Sayers

They ether your whole player list past present or future

I only listed the others because you wanna play name all pros

The fact you actually had to put Charles Woodson and George Blanda is so fuckin pathetic its sickning

He is a Packer and will be remembered as such
since he been there longer and been better

It really hillarious how yall cats juke the stats to make yall appear relevant..as if the NFL started in 1960 FOHWTBS

Oakland became an organization in 1960
so of course your meth pre game smoking,taco meat chest having,40 drinkin,ridell i used to be a beast at 12 shoulder pads having,Mad Maxx beyond the thunderdome,bushwackin,fat gay hillbilly,not quite LA,burnt out Dru Down perm rockin,musty mohawk wearing,5 win a year,Bust drafting, lil hawk-n-byrd lookin ass

would take that stance


We are better than yall NOW at this very moment
and we are a 100x better Organization than yall
always have been

if it wasnt for us it wouldnt be no you

  

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309. "Every team who wins the SB gets a LOMBARDI trophy."
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I like your moxie, but don't start talkin bout the Pack...

"You post like you look your barber in the eyes when he lines you up."

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322. "I respect the Packers history..."
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but they aint fucking with us either...

  

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333. "We have just as many Super Bowls and more of everything else."
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"You post like you look your barber in the eyes when he lines you up."

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238. "RE: maaaaaaaan, act the FUCK right, nigga..."
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Most wins..

YALL NIGGAS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE GOTDAMN 1920s!

had to all caps that. That's 40 years longer than the Raiders...yet as little as 3 years ago we had a better win percentage, and as little as 6 no one in the league was anywhere near us..no one in any league was.

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We don't give a fuck still.

  

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326. "I just wanna say FUCK the Bears"
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most overrated team of all fucking time behind the bitchass Cubs

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343. "I respect you Dula, but you have to fall back off of this one:"
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>- oh and in case you forgot, all we did a few yrs back was
>field THE GREATEST TEAM IN NFL HISTORY™

The '89 Niners take a big watery shit all over that team, and you know it. And if we're going to talk greatness during THAT era, even Ditka knows and has admitted the 'Niners were superior.

Otherwise, carry on.

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349. "ayo i like you dogg, so don't take this personal:"
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but ummmmmmmmmmmmm...

85 bears: scored 456 points (28.5/g), 2nd of 28 in the NFL. allowed 198 points (12.4/g), 1st. differential of 258 points (16.1/g), 1st.
89 9ers : scored 442 points (27.6/g), 1st of 28 in the NFL. allowed 253 points (15.8/g), 3rd. differential of 189 points (11.8/g), 1st.

win-loss record:

85 bears: 15 W, 1 L to miami dolphins (12-4, +6.8 pt diff)
89 9ers : 14 W, 2 L to la rams (11-5, +5.1 pt diff) + green bay packers (10-6, +0.4 pt diff)

pythagorean W-L:

85 bears: 14.1-1.9
89 9ers : 12.6-3.4

home losses:

85 bears: 0
89 9ers : 2

turnover differential:

85 bears: +23
89 9ers : +12

strength of schedule (raw winning % of oppts):
85 bears: 0.495
89 9ers : 0.481

strength of victory (avg winning % of teams defeated):
85 bears: 0.4827
89 9ers : 0.4609

players who went on to become terrible GMs that use 1st rd picks on WRs 4 yrs in a row + call johnnie morton "faggot":
85 bears: 0
89 9ers : 1

so the bears scored more points (!!!), allowed waaaay fewer points, had fewer losses, lost to a stronger team, protected their home field better + won the turnover battle almost twice as decisively, all against a stronger schedule.

soooooooooooooooooo........ how exactly the fuck were the niners better again? b/c they scored more points in the super bowl?

http://tinyurl.com/legc7h

motherfuck bill romanowski, btw.


>The '89 Niners take a big watery shit all over that team, and
>you know it. And if we're going to talk greatness during THAT
>era, even Ditka knows and has admitted the 'Niners were
>superior.
>
>Otherwise, carry on.

___

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153. "Traid"
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234. "LOL, I'm surprised no one else commented on that"
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-------------------------------------------------------

Stop using slang just for you to be cool
Cause I go back to when it was cool to be you

  

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169. "lol, concrete you need to step away from this thread"
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mfer has gotten ethered about 10x over

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170. "LMAO!!!! this joint got me COOKIN!!! i'm sweatin like shit, laughing"
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____________________________________________________


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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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177. "dude see the "do not touch" sign and is ignoring it like a mufucka"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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181. "he keeps barking up that tree and that tree keeps falling on him"
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183. "oh thats a hilarious mental image"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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185. "not really. that muhfucker bringing up shit that happened when most"
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of us weren't even BORN
come oct 18th that muhfucker will be GHOST
the raiders are the la clippers of the NFL
the john madden done retired from his SECOND career
so why this nigga in here bragging about shit that happened when al davis still had black hair
FOH
take it or leave it the eagles are a perennial favorite to make it to the SB
the raiders are a perennial favorite to be inthe lottery

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192. "Pardon?"
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>take it or leave it the eagles are a perennial favorite to
>make it to the SB

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200. "FOH..aint you a Bills fan this year...."
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saddle up on Tos nuts..its gonna be a long ride this year...

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201. "naw i'm the same fan i always was ho"
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EAGLES
fuck mcnabb, reid , banner, and lurie tho

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212. "not really"
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PAPS is good at making fun of the the Eagles (something I always support), but he rarely responded to actual arguments about how pointless of a trade this is for a team that's been as bad as the Raiders.

Oh right, this move will help them win the worst division in football. Way to think long term to fix a broken roster, Al.

Besides Al Davis or Dan Snyder, are there any other owners in the league in charge of non-playoff teams who would trade a first rounder for a 30 year old?

And when's the last time the Pats dumped a 30+ y.o. and that guy went on to play at a high level?

Watch the Raiders not even resign Seymour, and so they traded a first rounder for 1 season of play.

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215. "see, that's the brilliance of paps' move"
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once it got personal and eagles vs. raiders, PAPS took it to the house.

it was a smart deflection...there's no way to defend this dumbass trade for the raiders, so he went at concrete's team. and concrete wasn't ready for a new poster to bring a shotgun into a knife fight.

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PAPS
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231. "I've already touched on that..."
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recap:

1. Our secondary is solid with arguably the corner tandem in the league... however, our run defense and inability to pressure the QB from our front seven inhibits our defense to shine... the addition of Seymour gives us three (Tommy Kelly + Desmond Bryant... you'll hear of him soon enough)players on the dline who can play both DE and UT... our primary weakness in defense of the run has been on the edges... Seymour, his skill set, resume, and the fact that he will routinely take on double teams allows us to free up the likes of Kelly, Warren, our LB's, et cetera in pursuit of shutting down the run...

2. We have the youngest team in the league... championship teams are built by youth AND veteran leadership... Seymour comes with a no non-sense attitude, great work ethic, still in his prime, and three championship rings... a first round draft pick in 2011 brings nothing but hope... on top of that if we have someone targeted in the first round of 2011, Al will move up to get him...

3. If Kansas City made this exact same move, it wouldnt make national headlines or motivate couch critics like you to take pot shots from the sidelines of spineless organizations... Because we're the Raiders and we dont cower down to the media, we catch flack... not because of the six losing seasons but because we're the Raiders... the team you bums love to hate...

  

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243. "RE: I've already touched on that..."
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>recap:
>
>1. Our secondary is solid with arguably the corner tandem in
>the league... however, our run defense and inability to
>pressure the QB from our front seven inhibits our defense to
>shine... the addition of Seymour gives us three (Tommy Kelly +
>Desmond Bryant... you'll hear of him soon enough)players on
>the dline who can play both DE and UT... our primary weakness
>in defense of the run has been on the edges... Seymour, his
>skill set, resume, and the fact that he will routinely take on
>double teams allows us to free up the likes of Kelly, Warren,
>our LB's, et cetera in pursuit of shutting down the run...

I'm not arguing that Seymour isn't good. But at best he's in his prime for 2-3 more years. A team in full rebuild mode can't be using draft picks on veterans about to hit their downside.


>
>2. We have the youngest team in the league... championship
>teams are built by youth AND veteran leadership... Seymour
>comes with a no non-sense attitude, great work ethic, still in
>his prime, and three championship rings... a first round draft
>pick in 2011 brings nothing but hope... on top of that if we
>have someone targeted in the first round of 2011, Al will move
>up to get him...

If the Raiders ever become contenders Seymour will be long gone by that time. So you're telling me you gave up a 1st round pick for someone to mentor your players and improve your run defense for 2-3 years? A first round pick is an outrageous price to pay for that.


>
>3. If Kansas City made this exact same move, it wouldnt make
>national headlines or motivate couch critics like you to take
>pot shots from the sidelines of spineless organizations...
>Because we're the Raiders and we dont cower down to the media,
>we catch flack... not because of the six losing seasons but
>because we're the Raiders... the team you bums love to hate...

Yes, posts are only made trashing Raider moves. OKP never makes posts on dumb moves by any other team.

The Raiders persecution complex is unreal.

>Because we're the Raiders and we dont cower down to the media,

I don't even know what this means.

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248. "RE: I've already touched on that..."
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>I'm not arguing that Seymour isn't good. But at best he's in
>his prime for 2-3 more years. A team in full rebuild mode
>can't be using draft picks on veterans about to hit their
>downside.

We're not in full rebuild mode though, thats what you clowns dont understand... we have a STRONG shot at making the playoffs this year
with Richard Seymour... and I honestly think he can be a stalwart on our d-line for the next 4 years barring injury... run defending defensive linemen, the good/great ones, dont break down that early...


>If the Raiders ever become contenders Seymour will be long
>gone by that time. So you're telling me you gave up a 1st
>round pick for someone to mentor your players and improve your
>run defense for 2-3 years? A first round pick is an outrageous
>price to pay for that.


Youre the one who keeps saying 2-3 years... I've attended/watched damn near every Raiders game since 1980... listen to someone who really knows how close we are to turning the corner... outside of last season (and I admit I was wrong), this isnt something I profess every August/early September... we really have talent, a foundation to build on, and a weakened division to jump start this thing...



>Yes, posts are only made trashing Raider moves. OKP never
>makes posts on dumb moves by any other team.
>
>The Raiders persecution complex is unreal.

Not talking about the sports forum on some hip-hop message board... I'm talking about the national football covering media.. both TV and Radio...

  

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305. "http://www.ktbb.com/cowboys/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Jerry-Jones.jpg"
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http://www.ktbb.com/cowboys/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Jerry-Jones.jpg

Nope!! 1st & 3rd for Roy Williams counts..

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186. "why, of all weekends, did i have to be away from a computer?"
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this weekend?

lmao.

raiders are fucking retarded. seymour's lost a bit off of his burst and y'all are either going to pay out the ass for a 31-year old lineman next year, or have rented seymour for one year for a first round draft choice. the only way this isn't fucktarded is if you somehow win the super bowl.

lmao.

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199. "I Love this Post.. Classic.... Archive this shit!! What Up Cere"
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187. "This post is fuckin hilarious.. I'm str8 dyin.."
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Iono how into turned into a PHI/OAK battle royal but I think that's why the shyt is so fuckin funny. Ngaz just beefin.. shyt was totally out of left field..


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189. "i know right"
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*looks at thread title*

how did this shit come to be?

i can't even remember how it all began.

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190. "PAPS U MY NIGGA FOR LIFE!!! LMAO"
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see ya on Thanksgiving!!!



oh and FUCK the eagles.... ringless bitches

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191. "oh shit i found the tipping point..."
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it was post #55

concrete brought up 44-6 and well shit just got out of hand after paps joined the fight.

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194. "actually it was even before that"
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the hate is so sporadic and devastating its hard to trace.

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197. "all the shit he said is damn near sig worthy...especially about the"
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nfc east..thats why i just let philly fan have the floor most of the time...in the grand scheme of things....who tha fuck are the eagles?? at least the bills made it 4 times in a row...perennial bridesmaids..

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202. "funny stuff...but no Raider fan should really be talking shit"
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bout anything...

averaging less than 4 wins a season over the last 6 years....

they're a joke...sure they've won more super bowls than the Eagles...but if we're talking right today...the Raiders are an embarrasing joke whose fans are usually not even talking about football after week 5...

  

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211. "Miss me with that shit..."
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Aint no way in hell I'd ever let a fan whose team aint NEVER won shit disrespect the Raiders like that... especially when we were the first team to crush they Super Bowl teams... hell nah, I dont give a fuck if we average 2 wins a year... until the Eagles elevate past Bengal status aint no way they could say shit to us...

  

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203. "Archive this hate. THE AUTUMN WIND IS A RAIDER!!!"
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This is textbook hate. I wish Al Davis could see this. He would be proud.

  

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204. "The (lack of) greatness of the Raiders"
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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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206. "not to distract anybody, but seymour didn't show up in oakland yet."
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4453249

Seymour not with Raiders yet

Associated Press


ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Five-time Pro Bowl defensive lineman Richard Seymour did not report to the Oakland Raiders on Monday, a day after being acquired in a trade with the New England Patriots.

Raiders coach Tom Cable said after practice that Seymour had to resolve some things with the Patriots before the deal for a first-round pick in 2011 could be finalized.

"We have attempted to make a deal," Cable said Monday. "There are some issues still between him and the Patriots that are being worked out. I'm hoping that that will get resolved as quickly as possible. We know that the player wants to be here, but we have really no control over those issues."

Patriots spokesman Stacey James said he was unaware of any difficulties surrounding the trade, which was announced by New England on Sunday and confirmed by Cable.

The trade was included on the league's official transaction list distributed to teams Sunday, a person who has seen the list told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the list is not public.

AFC West blog

Williamson ESPN.com's Bill Williamson writes about all things AFC West in his division blog.

• Blog network: NFL Nation

All deals are subject to certain conditions, including physicals for players involved, and teams can inform the league if those conditions are not met. Neither the Raiders nor Patriots asked for the trade to be rescinded by the close of business Monday, the person said.

Cable did not want to address the issue further Monday, but said Seymour told him he wants to be in Oakland. Cable did not say when Seymour would have to arrive in order to be able to play in the season opener next Monday night against San Diego.

"Just as soon as possible. That's really the only way to answer that right now," he said.

Seymour, who turns 30 next month, is in the final year of a contract that pays him about $3.7 million this season. The deal would send him from a team that has gone 77-19 the past six seasons and is a perennial Super Bowl contender to one that is an NFL-worst 24-72 over that span.

Seymour has been a stalwart in New England since being drafted sixth overall in 2001. He played on three Super Bowl winners with the Patriots, recording 39 career sacks and being selected to the Pro Bowl for five straight seasons beginning in 2002.

The Raiders were looking to upgrade a run defense that was the worst in the league during the exhibition season and has been the worst over the past six seasons. Since going to the Super Bowl following the 2002 season, Oakland has had the worst run defense in the NFL, allowing 141.7 yards per game on the ground and 122 touchdowns rushing. The Raiders have allowed a 100-yard rusher in more than half of their games the past three years.

  

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207. "Yeah I saw that but he will sooner than later, what leverage does he hav..."
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what is he just going to retire and leave all that money on the table.

I see him reporting to the Raiders, getting "injured" like maybe a hamstring injury and play as lil as possible. When he does play he will probably take a lot of plays off and force the Raiders to cut him a la Hall and then move on.

Regardless of how this plays out, no way, no how he resigns with the Raiders after this season.

  

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213. "I read somewhere he was pissed"
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I don't blame him, really.

But more than anyone, he seemed to understand the business side, which I respect a lot. This was just a good business move.

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233. "maybe the Pats get him back for a 4th after he mails it in for 2 years"
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319. "lol i was thinking along similar lines"
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i mean, Sey's probably too pissed off and bridges have probably burned, but you can't help to imagine a scenario where Richard Seymour goes to the Black Hole for a year or 2, drops off the face of the universe, and comes back to NE for half price either via mid-round trade or free agency

  

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338. "lol"
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214. "vitriol"
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219. "1. Gr8 deal 4 Pats 2. people wonder why NFL players bitch about contract..."
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Players are supposed to stay loyal to the organization "well you signed a contract, blahblah" yet here is Richard Seymour, worked out all offseason knowing he has a legit shot at a chip this year and here a week b4 the season he gets sent packing to arguably the most poorly run organization in sports... I wouldnt wanna show up either...

  

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222. "Players sign contracts knowing they can be cut or traded"
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its part of the game, not playing after you SIGNED the contract is not part of the game....its bitchmade

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229. "I understand all that, It's not a direct comparison"
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I'm just sayin it's a cutthroat business so I don't get why people get surprised that players try to watch their own backs at all costs

  

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230. "If a player goes about it the right way there is no shock"
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They rarely do that tho hence the backlash

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225. "this is typical patriots' hubris"
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249. "don't get mad cause the raiders don't know what "business" means"
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226. "Oak wins in that they got a DE thats ready NOW but NE won "
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off the strength that its a 1st round pick a year after this season
which unfortunately I dont see the Raiders winning that many games


Oakland's defense is looking like a sleeper right now though
Ellis and Sey??? Yall's run D will be crazy

unfortnately most of their biggest short comings are on offense
qb in particular







  

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232. "Speak on what you know..."
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I challenge you to pull up the following HOF,fringe HOF, or just plain old good quarterback stats in their first 16 games as a starter and compare them with JaMarcus Russell's:

Steve Young
Terry Bradshaw
Drew Brees
Troy Aikman
Peyton Manning
Ron Jaworski (go Eagles!)
Dan Fouts
Steve McNair (RIP)
Phil Simms
Joe Theismann


Until then, miss me with all the Russell is a bust agenda... kid is going to be pretty damn special when its all said and done... take it from someone who has watched every game he's played as a pro...

  

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235. "conveniently left off a bunch of QBs, ehh paps?"
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237. "uhh"
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I think he's just saying that not every great QB started off with amazing numbers.

Which is a valid point.

Just because some did start off 'well' doesn't make this untrue.

The Kool Aids rotted your brain.

  

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240. "Exactly..."
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But let ESPN other media outlets who've long had a love/hate relationship with Al Davis tell it, Jamarcus Russell shouldnt even be in the league and is a bust already... Let me ask you this, why does Russell get soooo much hate and labled a bust when he's only entering his SECOND season as a starter?? His numbers are pretty much on par to what the league would traditionally expect from a young QB coming out of his first full season... Real talk what is the real motivation behind the CONSTANT national bashing of this kid who only has 17 professional starts and hasnt looked that bad... Its like the national media has totally forgotten about Alex Smith... and I'm not knocking Smith per se...

  

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242. "LMAO @ this part here"
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>hasnt looked that bad...

he looked good against denver's shit defense and the texans shit defense. otherwise he looked turrible.

but like bomb said, i understand why you'd want to believe in him/his future.


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294. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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>But let ESPN other media outlets who've long had a love/hate
>relationship with Al Davis tell it, Jamarcus Russell shouldnt
>even be in the league and is a bust already... Let me ask you
>this, why does Russell get soooo much hate and labled a bust
>when he's only entering his SECOND season as a starter?? His
>numbers are pretty much on par to what the league would
>traditionally expect from a young QB coming out of his first
>full season... Real talk what is the real motivation behind
>the CONSTANT national bashing of this kid who only has 17
>professional starts and hasnt looked that bad... Its like the
>national media has totally forgotten about Alex Smith... and
>I'm not knocking Smith per se...

  

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241. "you really want to go through those guys?"
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aside from the fact that they're all from different eras pretty much, the point is this: the likelihood of success after a bad first two years is not good.

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244. "Point is..."
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1. He only has 16 starts... which equates to ONE full season....
2. He's NEVER weighed 300lbs despite the NATIONAL media shoving the perception that he did down everyones throat...
3. In his first full season he didnt turn the ball over despite not having much to work with in terms of weaponry outside of his TE (Zach Russell) or an even decent pass protecting o-line... both of which has been upgraded...
4. He had a head coach who never wanted to be here to begin with in that little maggot Lane Kiffin (bad move Al, but I understand)... which as a result, Russell is on his third system and fourth offensive coordinator... despite all of that, again, he's looking good... and finally has the right staff around him to succeed...

I can go on and on.. but the numbers dont lie, they're better than what you'd expect a rookie quarterback to put up...

So with that said, how in the fuck is this a "make or break" year for Russell as dozens of hack job journalist have made mention??? Since when are qb's labeled a bust after ONE damn season?? The media dont like Jamarcus cause he big, black, from the south (dialect, plays quarterback and last but certainly NOT least... he plays for the Raiders and Al Davis, enemy #1...

  

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246. "you can go on and on, and it won't matter"
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>1. He only has 16 starts... which equates to ONE full
>season....

wow. congrats on the math. still missing the point: most QBs who suck as much as Russell did in their first year starting don't become great. or even above average. the odds are significantly against him.

>2. He's NEVER weighed 300lbs despite the NATIONAL media
>shoving the perception that he did down everyones throat...

irrelevant. but good that he's not ridiculously gargantuanly overweight. keep those expectations high!

>3. In his first full season he didnt turn the ball over
>despite not having much to work with in terms of weaponry
>outside of his TE (Zach Russell) or an even decent pass
>protecting o-line... both of which has been upgraded...

he also didn't pass for much yardage or even pass much or distinguish himself positively. You know who threw for about the same interception percentage last year? Ryan Fitzpatrick. congrats!

>4. He had a head coach who never wanted to be here to begin
>with in that little maggot Lane Kiffin (bad move Al, but I
>understand)... which as a result, Russell is on his third
>system and fourth offensive coordinator... despite all of
>that, again, he's looking good... and finally has the right
>staff around him to succeed...

plea coppage at its finest. he spent most of last season under tom cable as HC, and this same staff not Kiffin (unless you're claiming Paul Hackett + Ted Tollner is a godsend to QB coaching). and he's not looking good.

>I can go on and on.. but the numbers dont lie, they're better
>than what you'd expect a rookie quarterback to put up...

except, of course, he wasn't a rookie.

>So with that said, how in the fuck is this a "make or break"
>year for Russell as dozens of hack job journalist have made
>mention??? Since when are qb's labeled a bust after ONE damn
>season?? The media dont like Jamarcus cause he big, black,
>from the south (dialect, plays quarterback and last but
>certainly NOT least... he plays for the Raiders and Al Davis,
>enemy #1...

two seasons. two seasons. just cuz he didn't play doesn't mean he wasn't in the NFL.

and talk about people HERE, not some boogeyman media. We think JaMarcus sucks, and it's because he's not mobile enough to be a running threat, he doesn't have touch on a lot of passes, he makes bad mistakes, misreads defenses, and wasn't particularly good in college either.


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251. "whatever..."
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You live in the armpit of New York.. fuck you now about football...

You think Russell sucks thats on you... but I got money on him quieting his critics this year... what!

  

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253. "my log-in screws with another victim"
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>You live in the armpit of New York.. fuck you now about
>football...

lol. L. wrong, son.

you know someone's got no response when they resort to where I (don't) live.

>You think Russell sucks thats on you... but I got money on him
>quieting his critics this year... what!

so, just cuz you believe it and are stupid enough to put money on it, it's true? lol.

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258. "It was jokes dummy..."
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I can care less where you live, thought you could see the sarcasm in that...

in regards to Jamarcus, you're entitled to your own opinion... even if it is wrong... the kid is on track to having a nice career, with or without your blessing...

nevertheless, I'm tired of going back and forth with you bum ass dudes... put your team out there or keep it moving... I see things in silver and black, you should know that by now.

Raiders in 09 bitches.

  

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260. "this is the thing: he ISN'T on track"
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>in regards to Jamarcus, you're entitled to your own opinion...
>even if it is wrong... the kid is on track to having a nice
>career, with or without your blessing...

>nevertheless, I'm tired of going back and forth with you bum
>ass dudes... put your team out there or keep it moving... I
>see things in silver and black, you should know that by now.

errybody in here knows i rep boston sports.


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263. "According to who?"
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You and the other couple of dozen armchair critics who've watched him play 12 quarters of pro football...

let me step back a minute first cause this will go a long way toward understanding your stance on Russell...

"Are you from Boston?"

  

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272. "ooooh, I bet if you say yes, jersey, he's gonna say you're racist"
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*sits and waits*

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273. "nope. not from boston"
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lived just outside for a couple years as a kid.

having a bad first year as a starter isn't "on track" to being good.

it's "on track" to being bad.

occasionally, some get off that track, but generally, good players play well and bad players play badly.

it's really a basic concept. good players have decent games against defenses not named "broncos" or "texans", two of the worst passing defenses in the league.

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276. "Russell 1st year boxscores"
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RussJa00/gamelog/2008/


Better than average for a first year starter... I'd give him a solid C+ considering all the b.s. he had to put up with...

Had very solid games against not only the Broncos and Texans (as you mentioned, but also your Patriots, Jets, Bucs in a game they had to win, game 1 vs SD, in Miami, in Buffalo, ok against that Ravens defense...

Shit thats 10 games in which he played pretty damn well considering his limited experience.. In those 10 games he had a respectable passer rating and threw 13 tds versus 4 interceptions...

Now there were some games in which he stunk the joint up, but thats to be expected from an essential rookie and a team that was in as much turmoil as we were to open the season...

the numbers dont lie, click the link...

  

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283. "BWAHAHA @ that being "better than average""
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>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RussJa00/gamelog/2008/
>
>
>Better than average for a first year starter... I'd give him a
>solid C+ considering all the b.s. he had to put up with...


>Had very solid games against not only the Broncos and Texans
>(as you mentioned, but also your Patriots, Jets, Bucs in a
>game they had to win, game 1 vs SD, in Miami, in Buffalo, ok
>against that Ravens defense...

the pats game was a blowout. the Jets game? wow 17/30 for 200. niiiiiiiice game. lmao. the bucs game? < 150 yards. the SD game? fine. but they sucked on D too last year. Miami? 150 yards, 0 TDs? BWAHAHAHA.

but buffalo? HAHAHAHA. <50% completion, 150 yards and that's solid? HAHAHAHAHAHA.

>Shit thats 10 games in which he played pretty damn well
>considering his limited experience.. In those 10 games he had
>a respectable passer rating and threw 13 tds versus 4
>interceptions...

none of those games are good. some of them are average. you have to be kidding me cysing him based on that.

>Now there were some games in which he stunk the joint up, but
>thats to be expected from an essential rookie and a team that
>was in as much turmoil as we were to open the season...

he still played bad. he had 1 game ONE with over 250 yards in the air. more games with 0 TDs than 2. more games with < 50 passer rating than over 100. i can keep going.
>the numbers dont lie, click the link...

the numbers indeed don't. he was below average.

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293. "He was essentially a rookie... "
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You can discredit him all you want but the kid put up numbers that are expected of a rookie... with no weapons at his disposal, two head coaches and three different play callers... can you name with out looking it up who our leading receiver (WR) was last year... hell who started at wideout for us last season? Everything that could go wrong, went wrong for the kid last season and he still had a solid season considering... but what the hell you know, you watched 3 games tops of Russell and determine him a bust... you're opinion is about as useless as pre cum....

  

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295. "FYI: pre cum CAN make a girl pregnant."
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it's rare, but possible.

like going from a shitty season like Jamarcus had to being a good QB. rare, but possible.

he put up numbers "expected of a rookie" (not true, his numbers weren't as good as is "expected of a rookie") IN HIS SECOND SEASON. that's an L right there. that's below expectations. when you sit for a year before starting, you're supposed to do better than rookies do.

solid season...lmao.

i'm guessing zach miller or johnie lee higgins for leading catcher (higgins if only counting WRs). i checked. i was right.

you're copping a lot of pleas.

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301. "No plea coppage here"
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Just the facts in which the kid had to deal with... he has exactly 16 regular season starts going into this season... and 1 going into last season... watch more than three games and you'll see his development, but it wont matter you already made your little mind up that he's a bust... unrightfully so...


Leading WR last season was JLH with an amazing 22 catches...

  

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239. "most of the guys u listed were either thrown in immediately as starters"
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their first year before their cast or they were ready while Russell basically watched his rookie sesason, or a couple were just above journeymen status that had a couple good years with strong teams around them.

If you watched Russell in college, his worst games all came in big spots against good defenses with his mistakes being the key contributing factor.

But since he was a combine freak who looked great against one of the worst Bowl Game defenses of the past ten years in his final game, his stock rose.

Is it sheer coincidence that LSU won titles both right before and immediately after his tenure as a starter?

Personally I've been on the record with bust since right after the Sugar Bowl, going to Oakland further reinforced that belief, and nothing that's happened since has changed my mind......I could see why you'd want to believe otherwise though.

  

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268. "Answer this..."
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Aside from your highly specialized skill set at scouting college quarterbacks... what warrants any quarterback being labeled a flat out bust after ONE season as a starter?? Just curious what makes Russell a bust already?

  

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271. "I labeled him as 'bust' before the draft, as in that was my prediction"
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I'm still sticking with it two years later.

I'm not saying last year makes it official, obviously he's got time to prove me wrong but I don't like the kid's game and never have.

  

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266. "LOL I feel bad for Oakland fans G"
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since we on comparisons:

thru 16 games

Cade Mcknown and Rick Mirer had more yards passing yds and more td passes than Jamarcus in 2 years of starts

Jamarcus does have 2 more td passes than Ryan leaf in 1st two years
so thats good




  

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288. "He didn't play his first year. You fail. Go back to go and start again"
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...

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292. "you realize that makes it worse for russell, right?"
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now 2nd year Jamarcus <<<<< 1st year mccown and/or mirer.

not a good look.

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313. "it's only worse if you're the stupidest person in the world"
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McCown or Mirer having more yards and TDs than him in 2 seasons in comparison to his 1 season, doesn't make things look worse.

So the question to ask is "Are you the stupidest person in the world?"

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316. "damn, it must be terrible for you:"
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"thru 16 games"

mcnown played half of his rookie season and then he added half of his second season.

mirer started as a rookie.

dumbass.
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296. "Look, the main point is this:"
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Jamarcus has one year of starting

How many QBs in the history of the league were good to great after one season? Two seasons?

It is too soon to call him a bust, say he sucks, etc.

Last year there were enough good things to build on.

We saw he could manage a game.
We saw he a glimpse of him being able to move the ball when the run game is stuffed.

Let's see how he furthers his development this year.

And yes, besides the ESPN mentality out there, I think there is some bias against him.

I know there is against the Raiders.

  

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300. "Nah fam frito lay "
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Cade Mcknown was considered a bust after his FIRST season and he didnt even start all 16

same with Akili Smith,Tim Couch and countless others
Explain to me why should Jamarcus bamma ass get a pass?

  

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304. "Why Jamarcus' bamma ass gets a pass from me"
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Unfortunately, I didn't get to see the entire careers of McKnown, Smith, and Couch but I'm pretty sure McKnown and Couch got to their second seasons of playing before the bust label came. Smith didn't though...hmmm

General Feelings:

1. Contrary to what ESPN, no one is Hall of Fame or Mr. Wendell after one game or one season

2. Most positions take longer than one year to judge. QB, WR for starters.

3. I remember everyone saying Drew Brees was crap (weak arm, etc.) before he went off.

4. I'm also hoping the Tavaris Jackson and Jason Campell silence everyone.

Jamarcus specifically:

1. Holdout or not, he needed a 'redshirt' season after leaving LSU as a junior.

2. My standards for his progression go from hand off specialist to game manager to occasional playmaker to consistent threat.

3. After his 'injury' (benching?) last year, he play generally improved the end of the season.

4. His O-line, tackles specifically, have been very suspect. O-line troubles had Miller pass protecting more instead of being out in the pattern.

5. Shitty, old WRs. Ashley Lelie, Ronald Curry, Javon Walker.

6. Saw some good things with blitz recognition, check downs, where to go with the ball, finally seemed to figure out he can run if stuff breaks down. Accurate when he is mindful of his fundamentals.

7. He's Black and plays for the Raiders. I rode for Vince Evans too.

In short, I've seen enough positive things from watching or going to every game the past two years to think he has a chance to be good. I don't think most of his harshest critics have seen enough games to make the call.

Sidenote: what happened to the PS3 Madden crew?

  

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314. "You're wasting your time"
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318. "So are you every fall sunday afternoon "
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317. "RE: Why Jamarcus' bamma ass gets a pass from me"
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>Unfortunately, I didn't get to see the entire careers of
>McKnown, Smith, and Couch but I'm pretty sure McKnown and
>Couch got to their second seasons of playing before the bust
>label came. Smith didn't though...hmmm
>

Nah fam Cade was a called a bust going into his 2nd season same with Couch.

Smith was labeled a bust before his rookie season even ended

>General Feelings:
>
>1. Contrary to what ESPN, no one is Hall of Fame or Mr.
>Wendell after one game or one season

ok
>
>2. Most positions take longer than one year to judge. QB, WR
>for starters.

It takes more than one season to show signs of great but it doesnt take long at all to see if soemone is avg

>
>3. I remember everyone saying Drew Brees was crap (weak arm,
>etc.) before he went off.

He was injured.
>
>4. I'm also hoping the Tavaris Jackson and Jason Campell
>silence everyone.

Good someone is cause i aint. They are avg qb's. They arent horrid but they are def avg. Especially Jason Campbell.
>
>Jamarcus specifically:
>
>1. Holdout or not, he needed a 'redshirt' season after leaving
>LSU as a junior.

He needed a redshirt season cause he wasnt that good and they found out too late.
>
>2. My standards for his progression go from hand off
>specialist to game manager to occasional playmaker to
>consistent threat.

Maybe he will make it to consistant threat one day but at this moment I cant even say he is a game manager.
>
>3. After his 'injury' (benching?) last year, he play generally
>improved the end of the season.

Really cause I just saw avg games.
>
>4. His O-line, tackles specifically, have been very suspect.
>O-line troubles had Miller pass protecting more instead of
>being out in the pattern.

These are Pleas.
>
>5. Shitty, old WRs. Ashley Lelie, Ronald Curry, Javon Walker.

More pleas
>
>6. Saw some good things with blitz recognition, check downs,
>where to go with the ball, finally seemed to figure out he can
>run if stuff breaks down. Accurate when he is mindful of his
>fundamentals.

lol

>
>7. He's Black and plays for the Raiders. I rode for Vince
>Evans too.

^^^THIS is the basis for your whole defense. You just should have said this from the jump. I ride for black qb's too but that doesnt mean you dont call a spade a spade. Just because you put a couple french fries in shit dont make it a fuckin happy meal.

>
>In short, I've seen enough positive things from watching or
>going to every game the past two years to think he has a
>chance to be good. I don't think most of his harshest critics
>have seen enough games to make the call.

Ok based on what ive seen so far he's a bust. A #1 overall and game manager should never at any point in his career be in the same sentence, Jamarcus at this point is a game manager at best. Like I said maybe he will come out swinging this year who knows but a #1 overall qb should have more than 0 games when he passed for 250+ yds.

>
>Sidenote: what happened to the PS3 Madden crew?

Man your guess is good as mine dog. I am thinking of starting a online franchise you down?

  

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227. "back to the trade at hand: sign of the 4-3?"
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are the pats, because the league is shifting to the 3-4 a lot more and the pats can rarely find 3-4 LBs to fit the scheme, shifting to a 4-3? if so, does Seymour lose a bit of value? is a 4-3 DT easier to find than a 3-4 DE?

it certainly seems, from past player experience, that it's harder to learn to succeed in the pats 3-4 than a normal 4-3 defense (Warren + wilfork both looked pretty bleh as rookies and are now really damn good)?

or am i just finding bs to support the trade and still hope for a Super Bowl this season? I do think Ron Brace looks damn good for a rookie after this preseason.

in jarvis green i trust.
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245. "Wowsers. And I ain't talking about the trade."
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252. "Pats post explodes yet again"
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PAPS = hilarious

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265. "season hasn't even started yet"
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and people are already MAD

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254. "I was here..."
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255. "good to know happening to be born in Oakland gives you eternal"
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257. "but if he's bragging on Marcus Allen's rookie year, we still get the '83"
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Sixers.

Gotta focus on the positive.

  

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259. "Marcus Allen's rookie year"
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was in a strike shortened season... nice try though.

  

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262. "first full season then, point remains the same"
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but holla at me if you want to put anything on that Birds-Raiders game.

  

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You feel froggish homie, then leap... throw something out there, I dont know how ya'll wager on here... money, sigs, avatar?? what is it...

  

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>You feel froggish homie, then leap... throw something out
>there, I dont know how ya'll wager on here... money, sigs,
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261. "Now you talking..."
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Ironic as it might sound... I was a diehard sixers fan back then... lol... auntie used to mess with Darryl Dawkins, used to love the sixers ALMOST as much as the Raiders back then... shout out to Andrew Toney, Mo Cheeks, Bobby Jones, Billy C, Moses and the Doc...

  

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269. "Paps got this post burning on fire a like CA wildfire."
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I owe you a drink, bruh.

Don't think-FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL! © Bruce Lee

  

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PAPS
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274. "All good homie..."
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Catch me at any home game... inbox b4 hand...

  

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328. "I just moved to oak"
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i went to the first preseason game and that shit was fun...i'll be going to a few games this year, tickets are mad cheap and shit is crazy...I wish fans in the midwest could be as loyal and wild as they were in oakland and that was just a preseason game.
I mean I'm still a Colts fan but: broke-ass little-ass Oakland Coliseum>>>>>big, goofy, sterile, no-use-in-having-a-retractable-roof-because-the-field-has-no-drainage Lucas Oil Stadium
Being in the Oakland Coliseum for a football game is on some Mad Max beyond thunderdome type shit...the way football should be watched. In my opinion smaller stadiums are the best...thats why we used to win in the hoosier dome, it was small and loud...these new state of the art shits are weak.

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PAPS
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330. "Welcome..."
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Just make sure you make it out to a regular season game and come at least two hours before kickoff to experience the tailgate... the Monday Night opener against San Diego is going to be crazy...

  

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TheRealBillyOcean
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289. "Niggaz really hate the Raiders. When we were good a few years ago..."
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I didn't see none of this blatant shit talking. Now we down cats wanna get their shots in. We'll be back my niggs!

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thejerseytornado
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291. "^doesn't understand cause and effect"
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you should be talking to your boy paps. he went after everyone.

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Brother Grifter
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299. "Nah, he was responding to the disrespect"
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All that "that's going to be the #1 pick" and "the Raiders are the worst org in the history of sports".

  

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TheRealBillyOcean
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302. "Exactly, cats stay trying to play the Raiders out. "
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My answer to them is better to get it in now.

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303. "absolutely, while we can"
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Because Al will only own the team for 10-40 more years.

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thejerseytornado
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307. "recent history = most likely to be a high pick"
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y'all can be mad about it, but it's true.

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312. "So no one wants to talk about how Seymour still hasn't reported"
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to Oakland yet?

I mean all the Oakland-Philly hate/bitching, along with some Patriot hate mixed in is entertaining but it isn't the real story.

Is Seymour going to play for the Raiders this season and even if he does (which I think he will) I think it is obvious he is only there for as long as this current contract runs.

From my point of view, Seymour mails in this season a la Randy Moss and then moves on as soon as the season is over or he plays so poorly the Raiders are forced to cut him (like Hall) or trade him back to the Pats for a 4th round pick.

  

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315. "post 206"
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327. "Don't rule out the fact that Seymour hasn't played a full season"
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in a few years

http://thanksforplaying.weei.com/columns/ellis-hobbs-calls-out-seymour/

  

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329. "The way the Pats have played without him has played a role"
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I mean he's a great player, but when he's not on the field he's not nearly missed as much as folk would think. What I hate losing on the Pats are LBs and DBs. I cringe when we lose decent ones.

  

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331. "LOL I can't wait for Monday, what? is he going to play?"
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without practicing? Eagles fans need to get out of everyone else's posts. Limited respect to PAPS I'll be at the game in my Chargers jersey ready to witness 12 straight.

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loganrage
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332. "If you think that Seymour won't be missed..."
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For those who think that the loss of Seymour won't be felt:

Adjusted Line Yards for running on the Pats (and ranking)

Left End: 4.30 (20th)
Left Tackle: 2.88 (2nd) <--- Seymour
Mid/Guard: 4.18 (14th) <-- Wilfork
Right Tackle: 4.26 (22nd) <-- Warren
Right End: 4.41 (24th)

Look at the yards per run play...who is the best on that line? Who is no longer on the team?

Let's go Raiders.

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D_Tox151
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335. "so, just to recap"
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oks/news media think the raiders are the worst organization in all of sports. but the lions go 0-16 for the first time in NFL history.....

concrete says the raiders have the worst fans in all of sports. however, since the raiders took back control of their ticket sales and marketing, season ticket holders have increased year over and home game sell outs have increased each year. all of this during the worst 6 year stretch in franchise history. BUT, the chargers, who are perennial super bowl favorites (according to their fans), can't sell out all of their home games.

after one season, jmac is an oks bust. nevermind the fact that he had no pass protection, no offensive scheme, and a starting WR group of ronald curry (cut from the rams last week), javon walker (had some super secret knee surgery this offseason), and ashley lelie (does he even play in the league anymore?). bomb, who watched jmac play in college, is the only poster on here with sound reasoning about why he will bust.

bshelly, who probably can't name more than 5 players on the team, is a talent evaluator on par with mel kiper jr, proclaiming the raiders have less talent at positions 1-48 than any other team in the league. fact is, i dont know many posters on oks who can accurately evaluate talent for positions 22-48 on any team in the league. if anything, we've learned that the talent gap on most teams in the league is not wide, especially when going to the bench. its management, coaching and system-player fit that determine success at the NFL level.

as for the traid, its really not that hard to figure out. the raiders could care less about their first round pick in 2011 when your run defense is as bad as the current team. yes, its a steep price for a short term solution, but a solution nonetheless. the raiders have a very young team. they need some confidence and fast. if seymour can shore up the run defense and add a 3 or 4 more wins this season, it will be worth it in the long run. his future teammates are already excited about the possibilities of having him on the team:

“When you commit somebody of that size to the running game it can only help,” left end Greg Ellis said. “Not just that he’s a pretty big physical guy but the fact he’s been playing the 3-4 and he’s been playing over offensive tackles for the majority of his career. Now he’ll be going against tight ends so you have to say that should be a win for us.”

Linebacker Ricky Brown agreed.

“He’s considered the best two-gap player in the league, and he’s played in a system where he’s played a gap to his left, a gap to his right, now having him in a single gap, I think he’s going to be a dominant player for us,” Brown said.

besides, if al davis wants to move back into the first round in 2011, he will figure it out. oks is a funny place; one moment al davis has no idea how to draft and the next moment is a senile retard for trading a 1st round pick two years from now.

  

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339. "I wouldn't even give him that much credit"
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>bomb, who watched jmac play in college, is the
>only poster on here with sound reasoning about why he will
>bust.

he just mad Russell's game against Florida cost him money

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340. "haha, i give him credit for trying though!"
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vs the posters who never seen him play and are just looking at his stats

  

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342. "ahh... the old "only looking at stats" bullshit"
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how i've missed that one...

i've watched jamarcus since college too. that's why I *highly* doubt he'll be in the small group of players that post shitty first years as starters and then improve dramatically.

but keep lying to yourselves.

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344. "you still talking about his stats"
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>how i've missed that one...
>
>i've watched jamarcus since college too. that's why I *highly*
>doubt he'll be in the small group of players that post shitty
>first years as starters and then improve dramatically.

considering what he had to work with, i don't think he posted a shitty first year. but you can continue to measure his success in terms of passing yards and so on. you also discount his solid games as coming against bad defenses. but aren't good QB's supposed to perform against a bad defense?

anyway, i'm digressing. the point being that bomb pointed to intangibles that had nothing to do with his stats.

  

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345. "stats and subjective opinion aren't oil and water"
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you know, they can mix.

statistically, he was bad.

subjectively, i saw and still see no reason to believe he's better than those stats indicated.

unlike, say, a peyton manning as a rookie where there was clear improvement over the year and he occasionally made plays where you'd think "damn, that was gangster".

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346. "i saw clear improvement over the last month of the season"
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>you know, they can mix.
>
>statistically, he was bad.
>
>subjectively, i saw and still see no reason to believe he's
>better than those stats indicated.
>
>unlike, say, a peyton manning as a rookie where there was
>clear improvement over the year and he occasionally made plays
>where you'd think "damn, that was gangster".

especially once he settled into tom cable's scheme, had a better starting left tackle, and developed a chemistry with new wide receivers.

nothing personal, but its hard for me to give credit to the opinion of anybody who did not watch every raider game last season nor followed the various coaching and position changes that occurred on the offensive side.

i saw clear improvement from week 1 to week 16 and even more improvement from week 16 and current pre-season games. but maybe i'm blind or it was a mirage. i guess we will find out more this season.

  

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thejerseytornado
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348. "well, then we disagree in our opinions"
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i remember watching the NE game and finding him completely below average against a not-good pass defense.

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341. "nah, it was the Auburn game that cost me money, he sucked vs FLA too"
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though.

As he did most big games he played in save Notre Dame who we all know couldn't play defense.

Plus how does a team win the national title immediately before the guy becomes the starter and immediately after?

One I could understand (whut up, Peyton!) but both?!?

Has that ever happened before with a good quarterback?

Who good in the SEC did Russell beat that year? The Vols, with three picks?

  

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loganrage
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347. "RE: nah, it was the Auburn game that cost me money, he sucked vs FLA too"
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Coincidence.

Your presumption would be that the BCS is an exact and reliable judge of who is truly national champion. There are too many exterior factors acting on it for it to be an accurate judge. In other words, you're off if that's your criteria.

The fact that he completed 67% of his passes his last year at LSU speaks to me as an indication that when he has time to get acclimated in a system, that he can succeed, and that when he has talent at the skill positions, he has the tools to get it done.

I said all that to say this: fuck the haters.

PAPS I got you 100% I'm goin in on haters all day.

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350. "RE: nah, it was the Auburn game that cost me money, he sucked vs FLA too"
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>Coincidence.
>
>Your presumption would be that the BCS is an exact and
>reliable judge of who is truly national champion. There are
>too many exterior factors acting on it for it to be an
>accurate judge. In other words, you're off if that's your
>criteria.
>
no, my criteria is pretty simple. I watched him play in college (I won't go too deep into pro performance because I don't watch Oakland if I don't have to right now, thanks for the win in Tampa tho for real).

Jamarcus literally *never* came through in a big game. I don't care about the BCS. The BCS and politics put Notre Dame in a big game when they didn't have a Top 100 defense that year.

>The fact that he completed 67% of his passes his last year at
>LSU speaks to me as an indication that when he has time to get
>acclimated in a system, that he can succeed, and that when he
>has talent at the skill positions, he has the tools to get it
>done.
>
dawg, go back and examine the games in his final year. See where shit like '67%' comes from. It's from the Louisiana-Lafayettes and Kentuckys of the world. He's not a very accurate passer and it gets ten times worse versus good teams at crucial times. He is a *terrible* decisionmaker, all his size/skill/ability doesn't matter when he can't figure out basic things that need to happen in order for his team to win the game.

>I said all that to say this: fuck the haters.
>
>PAPS I got you 100% I'm goin in on haters all day.

Your boy PAPS has talked some pretty good shit in this post but as you'll notice, anytime money comes up with me he ain't been quick to get back. And that's no disrespect to him, he probably knows better. PAPS showed and proved in this post better than the Raider franchise itself has done in the last seven years.

But if you wanna wager anything on the Raiders beating the Eagles in October, or on any individual goal you wanna lay out for Jamarcus Russell that's even halfway fair.

I'm here and ready to entertain all offers. peace.

  

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351. "slow down scooter...."
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Lets do $50...

work out the details...

  

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352. "RE: nah, it was the Auburn game that cost me money, he sucked vs FLA too"
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If you didn't care about the BCS, then you can drop your "national title before and after" shit, because you know good and damn well that the BCS is what determines who goes to the title game.

And since you're looking pretty shallow at the whole thing, what did Russell have at LSU that he doesn't/didn't have in the pros?

- Talent at the skill positions (with the exception of running back, the cupboard has been bare for us, especially WR)

- Offensive line protection/discipline. You say yourself that you don't watch Raider games, well, we have one of the worst offensive lines in terms of protection and discipline. We allow too many sacks, and there are too many penalties for holding and especially false start. Too many drives and plays brought to a halt behind those.

- A defense that can give the offense the help it needs to thrive. Football is a team game. If your defense can't get a stop and get itself off the field, then your offense sits and cools. A chilled offense is not good, it's not hard to understand if you actually played ball.

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353. "i dont think anything here is refuting bomb's argument"
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>And since you're looking pretty shallow at the whole thing,
>what did Russell have at LSU that he doesn't/didn't have in
>the pros?

he is saying that even when russell had all these things in college, he still wasn't a good QB then.

  

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loganrage
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357. "RE: i dont think anything here is refuting bomb's argument"
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He is mistaken. When he had talent around him, he had a good record, and good stats.

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354. "I see you pimp..."
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keep spittin the truth to these clowns man, but make sure you conserve ya energy... when we back in the playoff hunt in a few months, I have a strong feeling the hate is going to intensify triple-fold...

  

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loganrage
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355. "RE: I see you pimp..."
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For real, I feel a certain way about how we gotta have 6 bad years before hater ass haters come out they neck reckless about the squad like this.

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337. "Archive."
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http://cockygold.com/ (updated daily)
Get 25% off www.karmaloop.com w/ rep code JR9103

  

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364. "CO-SIGN.... one of the greatest Eagles Ls EVA!"
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Warren Coolidge
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356. "hold up...so where is dude who was talkin that Raider shit.."
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come on man...

The Raiders just did something I've never fukkin heard of in any damn sport... They put Seymour on the "Left the team list" lolol.

what the fukk is that..... never heard of that shit before....

you have to invent lists for the Raiders....lol.

Now please dude....please come here and try and claim trading a 1st round pick..when your a horrible fukkin team...for a guy who not only doesn't want to play for you...but is willing to give up an etire year's salary not to play for you......come tell how that was a good trade for the Raiders....

and to all these people saying that folks "Hate the Raiders" that's some bullshit too....what you're view as hate is actually embarrassment....disgust.....amazement.....

I wish the Raiders were a good team...I've pulled for the Raiders....during the Jim Plunkett, Kenny King, Lyle Alzado days.... I ain't mad at the Raiders at all..

But the fact is that they are a horrible organization that continues to make horrible moves.

  

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358. "I'm too hungover to pop shit...."
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Just click and read the link below... I'll talk shit later.


http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2009/09/12/de-richard-seymour-set-to-fly-to-oakland-telling-the-heralds-ron-borges-i-was-blindsided-by-the-whole-event/


  

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D_Tox151
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359. "warren, you're talking out of your ass"
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Sat Sep-12-09 01:32 PM by D_Tox151

  

          

>come on man...
>
>The Raiders just did something I've never fukkin heard of in
>any damn sport... They put Seymour on the "Left the team list"
> lolol.
>
>what the fukk is that..... never heard of that shit
>before....
>
>you have to invent lists for the Raiders....lol.

bc WC never heard of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. and its called the 'reserve-left squad'.

more importantly, the raiders CANT place him on that list until Tuesday at the earliest. anybody who has been following the situation understands this. the report you are citing comes from mike lombardi, who was fired from the raiders two years ago and has an axe to grind with the team.

>Now please dude....please come here and try and claim trading
>a 1st round pick..when your a horrible fukkin team...for a guy
>who not only doesn't want to play for you...but is willing to
>give up an etire year's salary not to play for you......come
>tell how that was a good trade for the Raiders....

you act like this is unprecedented. the raiders traded a first round pick in next years draft AND their first round pick from a past draft to minnesota for randy moss. nobody had a problem with that trade at the time. now, they trade their first round pick in a draft two years from now for a player just as talented as moss and its a ridiculous move?!? whether or not it was a good trade remains to be seen, but it was necessary for the team to shore up their run D immediately.

second, it makes no sense for seymour to sit out the year. his contract would just be suspended and then he would have to play for the team next year. again, if you weren't talking out of your ass and actually following the situation, you would know this.

and read all the reports coming out today about seymour. they are consistent with what has been reported all week; that he thought he was getting an extension from new england, he was completely blindsided by the trade, and he's upset about having to relocate his entire family that has lived in new england going on 10 years now. he has no issues playing for the raiders, or any other team for that matter. and i bet he has some issues with an organization that told him he was getting an extension and traded him without notice instead....

>and to all these people saying that folks "Hate the Raiders"
>that's some bullshit too....what you're view as hate is
>actually embarrassment....disgust.....amazement.....
>
>I wish the Raiders were a good team...I've pulled for the
>Raiders....during the Jim Plunkett, Kenny King, Lyle Alzado
>days.... I ain't mad at the Raiders at all..

na warren, its hate.

  

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PAPS
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360. "One more thing...."
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Seymour has just arrived in Alameda... will meet with Al Davis and the team before conducting a press conference at 5:30 today announcing him as our new starting DE...

He's playing Monday night and will be wearing #92...

  

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Flash80
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363. "^"
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Sun Oct-18-09 06:19 PM by Flash80

          

did the PAPS and Bombastic ever bet on this game?

  

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Wonderl33t
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365. "I hope so"
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LBs Finest
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366. "excellent decision!"
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seymour came in and helped oakland go from 5-11 to...

*drum roll*

5-11.

pats make the playoffs without seymour, now they have Jokeland's 1st rounder which will probably be a top 5 pick and they'll have their shot at aj green, julio jones, robert quinn, even mark ingram.

meanwhile the raiders will miss out on Locker or even Andrew Luck.

*smh*

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D_Tox151
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367. "lol @ fools who guaranteed a top 5 pick from this trade"
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some even said it would be a #1 pick! ha.

although us raider fans took a major L for defending jamarcus in this post.

  

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Brother Grifter
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368. "Haha...thanks for upping"
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>some even said it would be a #1 pick! ha.
>
>although us raider fans took a major L for defending jamarcus
>in this post.


  

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369. "***EDIT***"
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Sun Jan-02-11 04:49 PM by mrhood75

  

          

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ConcreteCharlie
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370. "Still better than the Pats pick, you all still reeling from tuck rule ....."
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even in modest success, Raider fans staying mad.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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MadDagoNH
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371. "yeah, but it wouldn't hurt to have Big Sey right now"
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At best, this trade is a push now. The Raiders have improved more than I expected and with all the d-line injuries for the Pats this year, Seymour along with Wilfork would've been a huge upgrade.

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ConcreteCharlie
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374. "RE: yeah, but it wouldn't hurt to have Big Sey right now"
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eh, at the time it was a W for the Pats based on objective return and their cap situation. based on who they get with the pick, it could be a hindsight win as well.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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cereffusion
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372. "stay focused please"
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Anti-Pats trumps Anti-Raiders.

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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373. "sorry, won't happen again!"
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nm

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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Lach
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375. "yeah that damn trade for Campbell fucked things up"
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Damn you Raiders.

  

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