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"FBI Investigates NBA Ref Who Allegedly Fixed NBA Games"


  

          

not sure who the "alleged" ref would be (Joey Crawford?), but maybe Mark Cuban was on to something.
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Ref allegedly fixed NBA games
Posted: Friday July 20, 2007 08:15AM ET

http://fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/15034

The FBI is investigating an NBA referee who allegedly was betting on basketball games - including ones he was officiating during the past two seasons - as part of an organized-crime probe in the Big Apple, The Post has learned. One source close to the probe counted the number of games on which the ref and his wiseguy buddies scored windfalls in the "double digits." NBA Commissioner David Stern is aware of the investigation and has a report about the referee on his desk, another source said. The official, whose name was withheld, allegedly wagered on games during the 2005-06 and 2006-07 NBA seasons.

New York Post

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i wonder if any playoff games were affected
Jul 20th 2007
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thats where the real money is.
Jul 20th 2007
2
has this been mentioned on espn?
Jul 20th 2007
3
lol, what do u think?
Jul 20th 2007
11
too bad its on ESPN
Jul 20th 2007
14
I heard it on Mike & Mike this morning..
Jul 20th 2007
15
If you seen the Heat vs Mavs Final
Jul 20th 2007
4
& that Lakers/Kings playoff game a few years ago.
Jul 20th 2007
29
      that was 6 years ago
Jul 20th 2007
79
      the one from 03
Jul 22nd 2007
150
      or the bulls 2nd 3peat
Jul 21st 2007
125
dear god please don't let it be one of the black refs
Jul 20th 2007
5
REAL TALK!!
Jul 20th 2007
9
even tho she IS a horrible ref... i doubt she's the culprit.
Jul 20th 2007
10
she'd be perfect, cause her cover is that she's already terrible
Jul 20th 2007
34
      Sheeeit -- you think THAT's what's going on in Atlanta?
Jul 20th 2007
36
I freakin knew it!!!
Jul 20th 2007
6
^^that was my response
Jul 20th 2007
27
      RE: ^^that was my response
Jul 20th 2007
60
mannnn its gotta be joey
Jul 20th 2007
7
BENNETT SALVATORE?
Jul 20th 2007
12
^^^^Strong Investigative Posting here^^^^^^
Jul 20th 2007
18
hhahahaa.
Jul 20th 2007
30
First thing I thought, too
Jul 20th 2007
23
that'd be too obvious. its DICK!!!!
Jul 20th 2007
31
Bulls Fans Been Saying That For Years
Jul 20th 2007
33
RE: mannnn its gotta be joey, Thats the first name that came to mind
Jul 20th 2007
47
Not like the refs ain't been hustling before
Jul 20th 2007
8
RE: Not like the refs ain't been hustling before
Jul 20th 2007
80
So the Suns really are the world champions
Jul 20th 2007
13
The Refs Ain't Suspend Amare
Jul 20th 2007
24
Whoa....
Jul 20th 2007
16
simmons wins
Jul 20th 2007
17
I do NOT love this game
Jul 20th 2007
19
that's not fair
Jul 20th 2007
20
RE: that's not fair
Jul 20th 2007
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      RE: that's not fair
Jul 24th 2007
199
RE: I do NOT love this game
Jul 24th 2007
202
do we have any other source for this besides the New York Post?
Jul 20th 2007
21
RE: do we have any other source for this besides the New York Post?
Jul 20th 2007
22
not trying to be an asshole...
Jul 20th 2007
25
It's on ESPN and the NBA released a statement confirming
Jul 20th 2007
26
THIS is the biggest news in sports right now
Jul 20th 2007
28
without question
Jul 22nd 2007
132
its the NY POST tho....they had Freaky Zekey on the front page before.
Jul 20th 2007
32
Somewhere Sheed is smilin
Jul 20th 2007
35
RE: Somewhere Sheed is smilin
Jul 20th 2007
69
      o shit.
Jul 20th 2007
77
      ^^^^YUP SHEED KNEW BOUT IT
Jul 20th 2007
112
           Ball don't lie
Jul 21st 2007
130
Damn
Jul 20th 2007
37
Right...I'm a big proponent of the, 'they won't get every call'
Jul 20th 2007
39
      Supposedly only one official with a bad gambling habit
Jul 20th 2007
40
           RE: Supposedly only one official with a bad gambling habit
Jul 20th 2007
51
                "investigating ALLEGATIONS" -- still no solid charges
Jul 20th 2007
52
                     I know
Jul 20th 2007
53
Stern issues $10 million fine to FBI for questioning Refs (swipe)
Jul 20th 2007
41
hahaha -- nice
Jul 20th 2007
45
haha
Jul 20th 2007
46
Well Played.
Jul 20th 2007
99
LOL
Jul 20th 2007
118
hahaha
Jul 22nd 2007
151
GOLD!
Jul 23rd 2007
192
That's where those phantom fouls come from. Dude doesn't want....
Jul 20th 2007
42
anyone who complained about this guy deserves a fine refund
Jul 20th 2007
43
^^^Now that is THE COLD TRUTH^^^^^^^
Jul 20th 2007
54
Dirk will say this is why Dallas lost to GS.
Jul 20th 2007
44
Stephen Jackson snatching his balls is why they lost to GS
Jul 20th 2007
50
yes cause dirk always blames everyone else right?
Jul 20th 2007
100
      Man, fuck Dirk. He better hope dude ref'd his games against GS....
Jul 20th 2007
101
We should compile a list of the most recent playoff series
Jul 20th 2007
48
Really, only Tim Duncan has a soild case.......
Jul 20th 2007
49
Uhh, we're at war with Iraq
Jul 20th 2007
55
^also better hope it's not a black ref.
Jul 20th 2007
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?
Jul 20th 2007
59
ok.
Jul 20th 2007
61
      ^^^hoping it's not a white ref
Jul 20th 2007
62
More like a Jew
Jul 20th 2007
64
      lmao
Jul 20th 2007
98
Uhh, mind you that the FEDs are busy waging war with Iraq
Jul 20th 2007
57
ding ding ding
Jul 20th 2007
66
It has something to do with the mob....
Jul 20th 2007
58
Is that what organized-crime is?
Jul 20th 2007
68
Wow. Thought the joke was obvious. Guess not.
Jul 20th 2007
71
I think some people got it...
Jul 20th 2007
74
i got it
Jul 20th 2007
113
      Says this guy
Jul 21st 2007
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           just because the vick post is insane
Jul 22nd 2007
133
lol...right
Jul 20th 2007
90
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jul 20th 2007
117
Well, the Feds are SUPPORTING the damn war
Jul 20th 2007
120
ESPN reports its Tim Donaghy
Jul 20th 2007
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RE: ESPN reports its Tim Donaghy
Jul 20th 2007
65
      He was a ref during the Malace at the Palace n/m
Jul 20th 2007
67
           The mob must have inticed the melee
Jul 20th 2007
70
                they may have also 'incited' the melee as well.
Jul 20th 2007
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                     RE: RE: they may have also 'enticed' the melee as well.
Jul 20th 2007
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                          and later 'recited' the melee
Jul 20th 2007
85
oh gaw'd... ....the whining is going to get worse
Jul 20th 2007
72
Spurs might have been the biggest victims/ Lakers biggest benifitals
Jul 20th 2007
73
But then versus the Pistons, Kobe couldn't get a call to save his life
Jul 20th 2007
75
That was a cover-up for the previous series with the Spurs
Jul 20th 2007
78
cmon man
Jul 20th 2007
105
      Also, the Lakers lost, so......it was a wash
Jul 20th 2007
108
Truth but the made up for it in Heat vs Pistons 06
Jul 20th 2007
96
that was by far the biggest bullshit of the 00s
Jul 20th 2007
89
how would he have been able to concentrate enough
Jul 20th 2007
115
Oh c'mon.
Jul 22nd 2007
141
This Story Deserves just as much play as Vick and Pac-Man
Jul 20th 2007
81
And I imagine it will
Jul 20th 2007
84
I love when they cry racism before there's actually any racism.
Jul 20th 2007
88
      sittin in front of their computers praying to god
Jul 20th 2007
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      Pretty much
Jul 20th 2007
94
      Where was RACISM mentioned?
Jul 20th 2007
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      who the hell is THEY, and where was racism mentioned?
Jul 21st 2007
128
actually more because it speaks to the intergrity of the league
Jul 20th 2007
86
that was why it deserves just as much play as vick and pac-man
Jul 20th 2007
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      yeah, I just found out who it was about 5 minutes ago
Jul 20th 2007
107
this story actually deserves WAAAAAY more
Jul 21st 2007
126
No, it deserves more
Jul 22nd 2007
140
so does the "no complaining to the refs" rule still apply after this?
Jul 20th 2007
83
it had to be a game/games with Dwayne Wade...had to be
Jul 20th 2007
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I was thinking the same shit. Man, Jesus Christ himself would.......
Jul 20th 2007
102
DWYANE
Jul 20th 2007
111
The chances of a team in Vegas just dropped to 100 to 1
Jul 20th 2007
92
right, because in Vegas where you can bet legally is more dangerous
Jul 23rd 2007
174
      RE: right, because in Vegas where you can bet legally is more dangerous
Jul 23rd 2007
190
How funny is it that there were like 10 legit guesses at who it was?
Jul 20th 2007
93
the ref's resume webpage and a couple observations
Jul 20th 2007
103
exactly - there is a big difference between MONEY LINE and POINTS
Jul 20th 2007
119
Is this a shock to anyone?
Jul 20th 2007
104
well that whole story by the New York times about refs
Jul 20th 2007
106
Caption this photo
Jul 20th 2007
109
Mike do me a solid and miss a few free throws
Jul 20th 2007
110
you see this bomb stapped to my waist?
Jul 21st 2007
122
Villanova grad hahaha
Jul 20th 2007
114
yea im mad he from Philly.
Jul 22nd 2007
131
RE: Villanova grad hahaha
Jul 23rd 2007
176
Knicks vs. Bulls playoff games in the 90s = FIXED
Jul 20th 2007
116
only '94.
Jul 20th 2007
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RE: Knicks vs. Bulls playoff games in the 90s = FIXED
Jul 21st 2007
129
peep dude's crib in Brandenton, FL....
Jul 21st 2007
124
What the fuck is up with sports and bradenton, fl?
Jul 21st 2007
127
      no state tax for 1. nm
Jul 22nd 2007
136
Outside the Lines: Vick.. Pacman.. NO MENTION OF THIS SHIT?
Jul 22nd 2007
134
Jul 22nd 2007
135
still waiting for an analysis on sportscenter...
Jul 22nd 2007
137
it won't happen for obvious reasons
Jul 22nd 2007
138
CISM - A cat fixes NBA games and isn't the top story
Jul 22nd 2007
139
Wait, did Saunders say Vick was the worst or the ref?? n/m
Jul 22nd 2007
148
      The NBA scenario, not specifically the referee..
Jul 23rd 2007
156
games or stuff associated with this donhagy
Jul 22nd 2007
142
I already hear the ReEchoing cries from PHX fans
Jul 22nd 2007
143
suns fans are on that bullshit
Jul 22nd 2007
144
      no they didn't
Jul 22nd 2007
145
           it was at spurs but still that means something, a lot infact
Jul 22nd 2007
147
interesting article on how the lines moved
Jul 23rd 2007
164
the spurs were a totally illegitimate champion
Jul 22nd 2007
146
Are ya'll not reading the story?
Jul 22nd 2007
153
      RE: Are ya'll not reading the story?
Jul 23rd 2007
154
           c'mon dawg
Jul 23rd 2007
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           You know how you can see it?
Jul 23rd 2007
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                Thank you!
Jul 23rd 2007
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                RE: You know how you can see it?
Jul 23rd 2007
191
                     They also didn't do a good job of playing smart in Game 4
Jul 24th 2007
198
he white!!!
Jul 22nd 2007
149
Sounds like it came out of a Sopranos episode. (swipe)
Jul 22nd 2007
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Poor Timmy: Authorities concerned over Donaghy's safety
Jul 23rd 2007
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^^^and people wonder why the race card is thrown around!!!
Jul 23rd 2007
157
race cards come from a race deck
Jul 23rd 2007
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follow the money
Jul 23rd 2007
159
aint that some buttery bullshit.
Jul 23rd 2007
161
we need some lobster up in this piece.
Jul 23rd 2007
163
i can see it if you say they GET paid a billion a year by the nba
Jul 23rd 2007
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if you invested several billion in a company, would you try and ruin it?
Jul 23rd 2007
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      nope...which makes espn's stance all the more shady.
Jul 23rd 2007
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           that's what i'm saying. i think we're in agreement
Jul 23rd 2007
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^^^^^^ Sam sees it - money is far more important than anything else
Jul 24th 2007
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thats what im sayin
Jul 23rd 2007
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wouldn't it be a little bit different in this situation, though?
Jul 23rd 2007
172
Listen to ESPN radio
Jul 23rd 2007
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      That is the reason I listen to NPR instead of sports talk radio
Jul 23rd 2007
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      RE: That is the reason I listen to NPR instead of sports talk radio
Jul 23rd 2007
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      Yet the same callers will flip & say <insert black athlete here>
Jul 23rd 2007
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           exactly
Jul 23rd 2007
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Hes not guilty so he should still be able to ref right???
Jul 23rd 2007
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because folks fighting dogs impacts NFL scores. i bet mv saw a good
Jul 23rd 2007
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      But he isnt guilty of anything right?
Jul 23rd 2007
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      RE: because folks fighting dogs impacts NFL scores. i bet mv saw a good
Jul 23rd 2007
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      so if he were ACCUSED for dogfighting would he be allowed to ref?
Jul 23rd 2007
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           log off fam
Jul 23rd 2007
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                I think my stance is being misinterpreted
Jul 23rd 2007
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                     Yeah, but if MV was indicted for gambling on football games
Jul 23rd 2007
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                          Yea I think thats the way to go
Jul 23rd 2007
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                          Iono, but Goodell just did
Jul 23rd 2007
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                          the ref resigned.
Jul 23rd 2007
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                          shoulda read "would have been suspended"
Jul 23rd 2007
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                          I thought I read that Donaghy resigned already
Jul 23rd 2007
188
      ^^powerful. cased closed
Jul 23rd 2007
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Numbers Say Something is Fishy *swipe*
Jul 23rd 2007
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You might want to watch this
Jul 24th 2007
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half the truth guided biased video
Jul 24th 2007
200
It's raining pleas..
Jul 24th 2007
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okay, but if he's calling quick/extra fouls to affect the over/under
Jul 24th 2007
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      DING DING
Jul 24th 2007
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talkin', well..., writing about it:
Jul 29th 2007
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RE: talkin', well..., writing about it:
Jul 29th 2007
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      Actually Mike Lupica called Stern out on SportsReports for that comment
Jul 30th 2007
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      well right now, there isn't anything new to report
Jul 30th 2007
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Referees: Stern is on that bullshit (swipe)
Jul 30th 2007
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NOPE!!!! STAY FOCUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 09th 2007
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NOT A PEEP ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!...........CISM!
Aug 10th 2007
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^^^^herculian uppage
Aug 10th 2007
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The story that's not being reported
Aug 10th 2007
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name names nigga... is u talking about Philly or what?
Aug 10th 2007
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RE: name names nigga... is u talking about Philly or what?
Aug 14th 2007
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Whoa....
Aug 10th 2007
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where are you getting this info from?
Aug 14th 2007
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I dunno, ESPN.com has "Cheatgate '07" or something going on...
Aug 10th 2007
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Donaghy is going to plead guilty tomorrow
Aug 14th 2007
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I agree. Top story on SportsCenter tonight though
Aug 14th 2007
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      That really shouldn't be an excuse for the minimal coverage
Aug 14th 2007
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           Probably not
Aug 14th 2007
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                I'm not calling 'cism (totally)
Aug 15th 2007
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                Isnt ESPN invested in the NFL and Monday Night Football?
Aug 15th 2007
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                     RE: Isnt ESPN invested in the NFL and Monday Night Football?
Aug 15th 2007
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                On top of that, it's a millionaire celebrity organizing DOG FIGHTS ?!?!?...
Aug 15th 2007
227
                     The problem with that tho is
Aug 16th 2007
228
                          but isn't vick a bigger story than these cause he's a star
Aug 16th 2007
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                               but the point is you don't have to be a star to be a big story
Aug 16th 2007
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                                    Donaghy is about to destroy the NBA, Vick merely dented the NFL.
Aug 16th 2007
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                                    Exactly, Life goes on in the NFL after Vick regardless.....
Aug 16th 2007
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                                    i think this makes my point also though
Aug 16th 2007
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                                         i have a gut feeling it IS bigger than just him and a couple of homies
Aug 16th 2007
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                                              maybe, but it's all just speculation right now
Aug 16th 2007
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                                                   i dont think if they caught anyone else, that Stern would allow that
Aug 16th 2007
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                                    this is where i disagree
Aug 16th 2007
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                                         so you're saying death makes vicks story>>>>>than donaghy's?
Aug 16th 2007
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                                         that's one of the reasons, yes.
Aug 16th 2007
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                                         Potential destruction of a multi-billion league >>>>> Killing dogs
Aug 16th 2007
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                                         once again
Aug 18th 2007
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                                              Dude, the NBA HAS A CREDIBILITY ISSUE AS WE SPEAK
Aug 18th 2007
252
                                         Come On Man
Aug 17th 2007
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                                              lol, i wasn't comparing the acts in terms of ethics.
Aug 18th 2007
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the NBA's credibility is completely destroyed!!!! and all ESPN
Aug 16th 2007
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RE: the NBA's credibility is completely destroyed!!!! and all ESPN
Aug 16th 2007
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Poor Sixers (and others): No Respect for the Home Team (swipe)
Aug 16th 2007
240
Nobody wants to talk about Donaghy facing charges in Arizona
Aug 17th 2007
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they don't wanna see it or talk about it, dogg
Aug 17th 2007
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BREAKING NEWS.............20 other referees in on scandal!!
Aug 17th 2007
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And it's still not the biggest story to the media
Aug 17th 2007
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      i knew this shit was bigger than him and his drinkin buddies.
Aug 18th 2007
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At least somebody is still talking about it
Nov 20th 2007
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WOW.
Nov 20th 2007
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There barely has been any mention of it during broadcast this
Nov 20th 2007
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1. "i wonder if any playoff games were affected"
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2. "thats where the real money is."
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3. "has this been mentioned on espn?"
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11. "lol, what do u think?"
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15. "I heard it on Mike & Mike this morning.."
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4. "If you seen the Heat vs Mavs Final"
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it isnt a stretch at all

  

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29. "& that Lakers/Kings playoff game a few years ago."
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79. "that was 6 years ago"
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5. "dear god please don't let it be one of the black refs"
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lmao
it would be crazy if it's that black WOMAN ref
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9. "REAL TALK!!"
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10. "even tho she IS a horrible ref... i doubt she's the culprit."
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34. "she'd be perfect, cause her cover is that she's already terrible"
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so who would notice if her bad calls were on purpose?

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36. "Sheeeit -- you think THAT's what's going on in Atlanta?"
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6. "I freakin knew it!!!"
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This does not surprise me in the least. Like steroids in the MLB and Bicycling, I bet this is just the tip of the iceberg. Refs can totally control a game with foul calls and what not and I hope they really take a hard look at this.

  

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27. "^^that was my response"
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when I heard it on the radio this morning.

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60. "RE: ^^that was my response"
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It seems like this could be one of those watershed moments on the level of shoeless joe.

I know I have seen plenty of calls that weren't just questionable but upon replay are totally WRONG. Not to mention how arbitrary ejections can be(Tim Duncan). This is one sport where if a star gets two quick fouls, the whole game has to change, and seeing how Stern goes HARD for his refs when people criticize them I can see the mob thinking that turning some refs would be one of the easiest crimes in the country to commit.

  

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7. "mannnn its gotta be joey"
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12. "BENNETT SALVATORE?"
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(cism)

*cough*

PRO BASKETBALL; REF SENTENCED
Published: October 17, 2000

The N.B.A. referee Bennett Salvatore has been sentenced to a year of probation, 150 hours of community service and fined $500 for his role in airline ticket fraud.

The 50-year-old Stamford, Conn., resident pleaded guilty in a New Haven federal court on July 26 to filing a false tax return with the Internal Revenue Service for the tax year 1993

and:

Not only did Salvatore officiate Game 4 of the Suns-Lakers series (the one where Kobe tied it at the end of regulation and won it at the end of OT on two shaky non-calls on Nash, both by Salvatore), not only did Salvatore officiate Sunday night's Game 5 (in which Miami had a 40-12 free-throw advantage at one point), but Salvatore called the foul on Wade's final drive in overtime (remember, the call where ABC couldn't find a replay to show that anyone touched him?) even though he was standing at midcourt a full 35-40 feet from the play, and even though two other refs were closer to the play. Not only was that NOT his call, he butchered it.

hmmmm

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18. "^^^^Strong Investigative Posting here^^^^^^"
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31. "that'd be too obvious. its DICK!!!!"
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33. "Bulls Fans Been Saying That For Years"
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47. "RE: mannnn its gotta be joey, Thats the first name that came to mind"
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sneaky bastard

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8. "Not like the refs ain't been hustling before"
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Selling first class seats for coach seats and keeping the change.

That was a good hustle for a while until they got busted.

But THIS? This is gonna be huge.

  

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80. "RE: Not like the refs ain't been hustling before"
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>Selling first class seats for coach seats and keeping the
>change.
>
>That was a good hustle for a while until they got busted.
>
>But THIS? This is gonna be huge.

yeah, that hustle ain't shit compared to this.......this is that 'integrity of the game' hustle that will have people losing their minds if they find it to be true.

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13. "So the Suns really are the world champions"
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24. "The Refs Ain't Suspend Amare"
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The Spurs really are world champions

  

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16. "Whoa...."
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17. "simmons wins"
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19. "I do NOT love this game"
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Yeah I'm probably overreacting, but I feel like David Stern has sucked the life out of the NBA. He cares more about what the players wear to press conferences than having fair officiating.

I'm waiting for him to conduct his own "independent study" on this latest controversy and then tell us that its all okay.

  

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20. "that's not fair"
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yeah he's been a little fascist with the clothes/cultural aspects of the league

But I GUARANTEE YOU he will come down with the wrath of 1000 suns on whoever is responsible.

Maybe too little too late, but he's gonna handle this.

  

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38. "RE: that's not fair"
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>yeah he's been a little fascist with the clothes/cultural
>aspects of the league
>
>But I GUARANTEE YOU he will come down with the wrath of 1000
>suns on whoever is responsible.
>
>Maybe too little too late, but he's gonna handle this.


Yeah that probably was a bit unfair, but Stern comes down with the wrath of at least 250 suns whenever he slaps Cuban with a fine for criticizing the refs.

And if that's not a fair statement, oh well. I'm pissed.

  

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199. "RE: that's not fair"
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>>yeah he's been a little fascist with the clothes/cultural
>>aspects of the league
>>
>>But I GUARANTEE YOU he will come down with the wrath of 1000
>>suns on whoever is responsible.
>>
>>Maybe too little too late, but he's gonna handle this.
>
>
>Yeah that probably was a bit unfair, but Stern comes down with
>the wrath of at least 250 suns whenever he slaps Cuban with a
>fine for criticizing the refs.
>
>And if that's not a fair statement, oh well. I'm pissed.


$tern comes down hard on Cuban because Cuban possibly hit a sore spot with his suspicions of the refs. Cuban has enough balls to speak his mind on the corruption of the league and its officials.

If the league isn't corrupt, then Cuban would look like a paranoid lunatic. This allegation is making Cuban look like he might have been right about the refs all along, and it has probably satisfied the curiosity of many conspiracy theorists.


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202. "RE: I do NOT love this game"
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>I'm waiting for him to conduct his own "independent study" on
>this latest controversy and then tell us that its all okay.

I didn't have to wait very long for that...

"We think we have here a rogue, isolated criminal here," Stern said at a news conference. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2947237


In other words, even though law enforcement has not finished the investigation and has asked Stern on at least one occasion to remain quiet, Stern has examined the situation on his own and feels confident enough to tell the public that this was an isolated incident.


  

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21. "do we have any other source for this besides the New York Post?"
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22. "RE: do we have any other source for this besides the New York Post?"
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They are reporting the same thing on CNN/SI

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/07/20/bc.bkn.bettingprobe.ap/index.html

  

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25. "not trying to be an asshole..."
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cuz I can see how this response could be taken as an asshole response. But I had the same question. Here are a bunch of articles.

http://www.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS227US227&ncl=1118379457&hl=en

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26. "It's on ESPN and the NBA released a statement confirming"
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28. "THIS is the biggest news in sports right now"
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this compromises the integrity of the game down to its core. damn this should be interesting as it unfolds.

  

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132. "without question"
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The only thing close is steroids in baseball but people have known about that for some times & MLB has taken small steps to address it. I don't think any of us thought an official, with ties to organized crime, was betting on games he refereed.

That shyt is beyond big news. I mean,. wow.. Any fan of sports, esp basketball, has to be a little worried right now.

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32. "its the NY POST tho....they had Freaky Zekey on the front page before."
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35. "Somewhere Sheed is smilin"
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69. "RE: Somewhere Sheed is smilin"
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Especially since Donaghy was the one he threatened and got that 7 game suspension for.

  

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77. "o shit."
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112. "^^^^YUP SHEED KNEW BOUT IT"
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130. "Ball don't lie"
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37. "Damn"
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I hate conspiracy theories, and blaming losses on officiating, but ummm...now? Shit.

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39. "Right...I'm a big proponent of the, 'they won't get every call'"
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theory.

But when one of those bastids is betting on games and then making bogus calls?

Makes me question everything.

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40. "Supposedly only one official with a bad gambling habit"
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and it's still at an investigation stage and there is no clear allegation that the official was working with anyone to shave points or betting on their own games or anything, mainly just that they *were* gambling.

I don't think one official with a personal problem should seriously undermine the entire game.

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51. "RE: Supposedly only one official with a bad gambling habit"
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(AP) NEW YORK - The FBI is investigating allegations that a veteran NBA referee bet on basketball games over the past two seasons, including ones in which he officiated.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S144766.shtml?cat=170

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52. ""investigating ALLEGATIONS" -- still no solid charges"
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>(AP) NEW YORK - The FBI is investigating allegations that a
>veteran NBA referee bet on basketball games over the past two
>seasons, including ones in which he officiated.
>
>http://kstp.com/article/stories/S144766.shtml?cat=170

It's all rumor and speculation right now, wait until charges are brought to truly judge how serious this might reflect on the game.

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I'm just pointing out that there IS allegations that he bet on games he officiated himself.

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41. "Stern issues $10 million fine to FBI for questioning Refs (swipe)"
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45. "hahaha -- nice"
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118. "LOL"
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42. "That's where those phantom fouls come from. Dude doesn't want...."
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his legs broken.

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43. "anyone who complained about this guy deserves a fine refund"
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-Sig-

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54. "^^^Now that is THE COLD TRUTH^^^^^^^"
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If it wasn't for the fact that fines go to charity I would bet the players would be on board with this thinking. I mean fair is fair and no amount of wishing it wasn't true would change the fact that some may have been right in their ridicule of the refs.

  

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44. "Dirk will say this is why Dallas lost to GS."
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"We're not in a recession, we're in a slow down".- George Bush

"Immortals, we put their name to the test"!


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50. "Stephen Jackson snatching his balls is why they lost to GS"
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100. "yes cause dirk always blames everyone else right?"
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when he fucks up he blames himself, there are dozens and dozens and dozens of examples of this out there...

<---- better than Jason Campbell.

  

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101. "Man, fuck Dirk. He better hope dude ref'd his games against GS...."
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at least there may be some hope in explaining the "MVP's" disappearing act.

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48. "We should compile a list of the most recent playoff series"
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where we feel like the ref(s) might have been on the take. It'll be interesting to know if they were involved in any of the series listed.

Series that come to mind (some of these have been mentioned):

Heat vs Mavs 06
Heat vs Pistons 06
Kings vs Lakers 02


Add on....





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49. "Really, only Tim Duncan has a soild case......."
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....against Crawford. He got booted 2 times by Joey and they were the only ejection he ever got from a game, one of which was rescended and the other got Joey a boot from Stern.

  

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55. "Uhh, we're at war with Iraq"
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People are starving, and gas prices continue to rise.

The Feds have nothing BETTER to do?

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56. "^also better hope it's not a black ref."
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59. "?"
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Not sure what that has to do with anything, but ok.

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61. "ok."
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62. "^^^hoping it's not a white ref"
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64. "More like a Jew"
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Isn't Donaghy a jewish name?????

  

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98. "lmao"
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*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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57. "Uhh, mind you that the FEDs are busy waging war with Iraq"
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66. "ding ding ding"
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58. "It has something to do with the mob...."
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FEDS need to be dealing with this.

  

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68. "Is that what organized-crime is?"
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Surely it's more important to deal with dog fighting.

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71. "Wow. Thought the joke was obvious. Guess not."
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74. "I think some people got it..."
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that Mike Vick post dropped OKS' IQ by a solid 30 or 40 points, though...

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113. "i got it"
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it wasn't a very funny joke.

  

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123. "Says this guy"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=654562&mesg_id=654562&page=#654861

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133. "just because the vick post is insane"
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doesn't mean we got to keep dragging that mess in here proactively. the cases aren't at all comparable, not the least of which because one of the guys is a white dude none of us know much at all about who's accused of comitting a white collar crime based on an abstraction of a game and the other is a very famous very rich man who's already been the target of racist attacks and stands accused of a pretty heinous crime which most of us can't help but react to (for one reason or another) emotionally.

like making a snarky reference is going to keep O_E from mashing the caps lock.

  

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90. "lol...right"
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117. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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>People are starving, and gas prices continue to rise.
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>The Feds have nothing BETTER to do?

  

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120. "Well, the Feds are SUPPORTING the damn war"
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in a proxy sense by fighting/creating a "war on terror"

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63. "ESPN reports its Tim Donaghy"
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65. "RE: ESPN reports its Tim Donaghy"
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If that is true, he continually gets high ratings from the NBA...

I

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67. "He was a ref during the Malace at the Palace n/m"
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70. "The mob must have inticed the melee"
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Now wonder, Stephen Jax and Artest keep trying to settle the beef with the mob.

  

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76. "they may have also 'incited' the melee as well."
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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82. "RE: RE: they may have also 'enticed' the melee as well."
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85. "and later 'recited' the melee"
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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72. "oh gaw'd... ....the whining is going to get worse"
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I might quit watching the Assosiation at all

  

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73. "Spurs might have been the biggest victims/ Lakers biggest benifitals"
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It is rumored that Donaghy was working a side job as time keeper in the 2004-05 Spurs vs. Lakers game 5 where Derek Fisher made the .4 second shot. Rumor has it that he had $20K riding on the Lakers and started the clock .2 seconds late enabling Fisher to make the game winning buzzer beater and keeping the Spurs from a 3-peat.

  

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75. "But then versus the Pistons, Kobe couldn't get a call to save his life"
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Hmmmmmm....

  

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78. "That was a cover-up for the previous series with the Spurs"
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EDIT: The Pistons series was designed to kill the .4 conspiracy theory!

  

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105. "cmon man"
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if there was a conspiracy how come there wasn't 0.8 seconds on the clock in the first place like there should have been? and 0.2 isn't not a damn late start, it's just human reaction time

  

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108. "Also, the Lakers lost, so......it was a wash"
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96. "Truth but the made up for it in Heat vs Pistons 06"
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Wade got pretty much every call for 2 str8 series..

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89. "that was by far the biggest bullshit of the 00s"
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just blatant.

I always knew this was happening. and for the cats that said "everyone who bets on games says this, stop crying" - WRONG!

this investigation is going to be very interesting. I had a feeling that this would be the next target after steroids.

  

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115. "how would he have been able to concentrate enough"
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>It is rumored that Donaghy was working a side job as time
>keeper in the 2004-05 Spurs vs. Lakers game 5 where Derek
>Fisher made the .4 second shot. Rumor has it that he had $20K
>riding on the Lakers and started the clock .2 seconds late
>enabling Fisher to make the game winning buzzer beater and
>keeping the Spurs from a 3-peat.

to start it 0.2 seconds later?

  

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141. "Oh c'mon."
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I believe this story, but there's no way to fix THAT game. This isn't even Laker bias...I'm sure he helped out in Game 4 of the Suns series last year if he did have money on it...but no way he fixed the Fisher .4 shot.

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81. "This Story Deserves just as much play as Vick and Pac-Man"
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84. "And I imagine it will"
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As of now, it's on the front page of ESPN.com, Sportsline.com, Yahoo Sports, etc etc.

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88. "I love when they cry racism before there's actually any racism."
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91. "sittin in front of their computers praying to god"
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that it was a black ref

fingers itching like a crackhead ready to pull that race card

  

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94. "Pretty much"
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I was really hoping the identity of the ref woudlnt be revealed for at least a day or two, so we'd have to form a colorless opinion on the "case" and not the "man", ie "NBA ref alleged in possible fixing of games" or "NFL quarterback alleged in dog fighting ring". Instead, 3X and the like now know the identity of the accused, and are reacting accordingly.

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95. "Where was RACISM mentioned?"
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128. "who the hell is THEY, and where was racism mentioned?"
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And you gonna say that this story isn't larger than a dogfighting charge?

A league ref betting on games he refed?

Man, you frontin

  

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86. "actually more because it speaks to the intergrity of the league"
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as opposed to poor off the field decisions made by individual athletes. I am skeptical that it will trump Vick tho.

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97. "that was why it deserves just as much play as vick and pac-man"
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at least some people can stay on point without fabricating shit that was never mentioned

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107. "yeah, I just found out who it was about 5 minutes ago"
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I'm usually posting from work so I don't get to read entire post. Either way, anyone who thinks a ref betting on games w/ ties to organized crime isn't a bigger story than "Vick & Dogs", "Pacman & Rain", "Tank & Gunz" is showing THEIR bias.

It's called displacement.

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126. "this story actually deserves WAAAAAY more"
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cuz
1)it involves the credibility of an entire league
2)a GRIP of people have been suspicious of Stern and the refs in the NBA.

It's been waaay to many televised games that have come down to the last 3 minutes, no matter how poorly matched up the teams are

  

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140. "No, it deserves more"
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this challenges the integrity of the NBA as a league. His alleged actions could have - and probably did - influence the outcome of games, with possible playoff ramifications for teams. I think this is more like the Black Six scandal than it is Barry or Jones.

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83. "so does the "no complaining to the refs" rule still apply after this?"
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87. "it had to be a game/games with Dwayne Wade...had to be"
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Knicks yo
Cowboys yo

  

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102. "I was thinking the same shit. Man, Jesus Christ himself would......."
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foul out against D-Wade.

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"Immortals, we put their name to the test"!


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111. "DWYANE"
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92. "The chances of a team in Vegas just dropped to 100 to 1"
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<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
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174. "right, because in Vegas where you can bet legally is more dangerous"
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than elsewhere where you go through organized crime channels.

don't get me wrong, I'm sure you're right......but to me this is just an indication of how short-sighted the Vegas concerns are. Gambling is prevalent everywhere in our society.

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190. "RE: right, because in Vegas where you can bet legally is more dangerous"
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It doesnt means the Vegas concerns are short sighted. It just spotlights the sleeping giant of sports betting and the potentional for corruption.

The concerns about organized crime in Las Vegas are real and legitimate.

I have much more faith in Stern cleaning up cheating, than Selig. Stern loves the money too much to fuck it up.

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93. "How funny is it that there were like 10 legit guesses at who it was?"
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cuz that's how many referees call a game like they are crooked.

Basketball is a beautiful game, but i've felt like shit was rigged for a while. This doesn't prove or disprove my theory on a large scale, but it sure as fuck doesn't help the perception of the NBA.

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103. "the ref's resume webpage and a couple observations"
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he did suns/spurs game 3 this year, spurs won by 8.

http://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/nba/referees/2006-2007/referee403935.html&t=0


here


and also let us not forget the notion that games are hard to fix but point shaving is another easy story for those shady people to perform.

also let us not get this entwined with a david stern plot. These were MOB intentions and nothing else.

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119. "exactly - there is a big difference between MONEY LINE and POINTS"
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they can still make a lot of money by shaving a few points off or adding points to the final score, without affecting the outcome of the game.

of course they could make more by fixing the entire outcome of the game, but a nice over/under parlayed with the spread usually pays out very nicely

  

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104. "Is this a shock to anyone?"
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106. "well that whole story by the New York times about refs"
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calling different calls for players Black and white. nothing surprising here. i mean the NBA post season has games where a team gets all the calls one game or two and then it goes back when a team goes back home. nothing new at all.

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109. "Caption this photo"
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http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8026/123cx8.jpg

Mike: One time I lost 500,000 playing a round of golf with Charles. Gambling is evil. Don't worry I won't tell anyone about your secret.

Tim: Thanks man.

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110. "Mike do me a solid and miss a few free throws"
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I pay you back next game.


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122. "you see this bomb stapped to my waist?"
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start missing shots, or this whole place is gonna blow.

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114. "Villanova grad hahaha"
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figures



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2005
Rookie of the Year

2006
HR Derby Champ
National League All-Star
NL HR and RBI Leader
Japan All-Star Series MVP
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131. "yea im mad he from Philly."
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176. "RE: Villanova grad hahaha"
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>figures
>
co-sign.

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116. "Knicks vs. Bulls playoff games in the 90s = FIXED"
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121. "only '94."
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129. "RE: Knicks vs. Bulls playoff games in the 90s = FIXED"
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and now a madison square garden haiku:

"Marv Albert, Game 5:
Smith…blocked..smith! smith blocked again
It's Run's house, not Charles"

  

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124. "peep dude's crib in Brandenton, FL...."
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127. "What the fuck is up with sports and bradenton, fl?"
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anybody else ever notice how much sports related shit happens there?

  

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136. "no state tax for 1. nm"
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1. never rat on your friends.
2. always keep your mouth shut.

  

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134. "Outside the Lines: Vick.. Pacman.. NO MENTION OF THIS SHIT?"
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HMMMMMMM........

Sound the alarm...
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135. ""
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This story trumps all the other stories in sports © Mike Lupica

Lead Story: Mike Vick


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137. "still waiting for an analysis on sportscenter..."
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even when it may exceed its effective scope."

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138. "it won't happen for obvious reasons"
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we will get the intimate details of vick and pac-man but not the ref scam

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139. "CISM - A cat fixes NBA games and isn't the top story"
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148. "Wait, did Saunders say Vick was the worst or the ref?? n/m"
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156. "The NBA scenario, not specifically the referee.."
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142. "games or stuff associated with this donhagy"
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he did game 3 spurs/suns (the amare game) and the brawl.

he was also the ref sheed got fined for yelling at after a game (which just shows sheed is a goddamn super hero).

add on.

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143. "I already hear the ReEchoing cries from PHX fans"
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most will come out and be quick to conclude that since amare got quick fouls in that game, that something was fishy. Well I have two things to point out.

1. Why would the mob want to pick Game 3, a game where the game is going to be close. It makes more sense to cover a first round game where the spread is around -8. It is much easier to get away with point shaving with spreads like those rather than -3 or -4 like game 3 was.

2. Amare is a sloppy defender. He often gets himself in bad spots and gets clumsy fouls when he gets aggresive and wanting to gamble. This is no suprise to see him get early fouls and any indication or hint at Tim Donaghy caused this is nothing more than phx fans suns crying once again.

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144. "suns fans are on that bullshit"
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they lost an elimination game at home, with their full roster.

And they ain't got no interior defense at full strength

  

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145. "no they didn't"
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147. "it was at spurs but still that means something, a lot infact"
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The Suns are 0-3 in series in 2003, 2005, and 2007 because they let the spurs waltz in and lay a 7-2 record on their court.

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164. "interesting article on how the lines moved"
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20070723_Sixers-Raptors_game_in_January_likely_to_interest_investigators.html

A 76ers game that former NBA referee Tim Donaghy worked in January fits the profile of what investigators might be looking for, sport-betting experts told the New York Times.

On Jan. 15, the Sixers were originally favored over visiting Toronto by one point. Heavy betting on the Raptors eventually made Toronto a one-point favorite, and the Raptors won, 104-86.

Donaghy, a 13-year NBA ref who resigned 2 weeks ago, is under federal investigation for possibly betting on games and associating with organized crime.

Donaghy refereed in 11 games after Jan. 1 this year in which the consensus Las Vegas line moved two points or more, according to a Las Vegas company whose owner has been contacted by people involved with the invesigation. The team on which bettors wagered heavily enough to move the line that far won seven of those 11 games.

In another development, federal authorities expect Donaghy to cooperate with investigators, the New York Daily News reported. The newspaper reported that Donaghy faced large gambling debts and placed bets with bookies, two of whom are expected to be arrested this week, sources said. *

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146. "the spurs were a totally illegitimate champion"
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we knew this already but it must sting all the more for suns fans.

  

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153. "Are ya'll not reading the story?"
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The refs don't suspend people...Stern does. That's not this refs fault. Not saying he didn't change shit, but he definitely didn't crown the Spurs.

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154. "RE: Are ya'll not reading the story?"
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I was talking more about game 3 of the suns-spurs series...add that in with the suspensions, and i don't see how you can claim that the spurs outplayed the suns or proved they were the better team.

  

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168. "c'mon dawg"
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Game #5 - Suns were up by like 5,000 points late @ home w/o Amare & lost.

Game #6 - Suns were @ full strength @ SA & got their asses handed to them.

The Suns have yet to prove that they're a championship caliber team. However, they'll have a really good shot this year so we'll see if thet get it done.

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182. "You know how you can see it?"
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>I was talking more about game 3 of the suns-spurs
>series...add that in with the suspensions, and i don't see how
>you can claim that the spurs outplayed the suns or proved they
>were the better team.

BY WATCHING THE FUCKING GAMES!!!!

I swear, I can't take any of this talk of the NBA losing it's integrity seriously because 2/3 of the people making the comments don't have a fucking clue about basketball.... starting first and foremost with Bill Simmons.

Anyone with 2 eyes and any sense of basketball knowledge could see not only that the Spurs outplayed the Suns, but also that they were easily the best team in the league. The Suns didn't lose because of officiating and suspensions. They lost because they couldn't even come close to stopping San Antonio on any given possession. Amare, Kurt Thomas, Diaw, et al are HORRIBLE at defending the pick and roll, something that the Spurs happened to do quite well.

Seriously, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

  

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189. "Thank you!"
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191. "RE: You know how you can see it?"
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Maybe to your eyes. But to mine the Spurs didn't do too great a job of stopping Nash-to-Amare at the end of Game 4 when Phoenix fought back to retake home court.

And this is how you know the suspension were unfair- no neutral observer, not even any Spurs fan in their right mind and certainly none of the players or Pop, would have tried to claim the Spurs were being jobbed if Diaw and Amare hadn't been suspended. Think about what that means.

And then people try to use the fact the Phoenix almost won Game 5 without Diaw or Amare as evidence that the Spurs were better?!

Maybe to your eyes the Spurs were "easily the best team in the league." But we still don't know if they could have beaten a full-strength Suns team in a 7game series...and isn't finding out who wins, even when some observers think it's obvious to "anyone with 2 eyes" who is the better team, the reason they PLAY THE FUCKING GAMES in the first place?

  

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198. "They also didn't do a good job of playing smart in Game 4"
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Something that was very out of character for the Spurs. Did that mean that suddenly the Suns were going to overcome their deficiency of defending the pick and roll and put the clamps on Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan? Hell and no.

In fact, Diaw and Amare were so bad at defending the pick and roll and playing helpside against the Spurs guards that having them out actually gave them a fighting chance on defense.

By looking at how the teams matched up and what their tendencies were, it was clear that Phoenix needed 4 hot shooting nights to defeat the Spurs, because there was no way they were going toe-to-toe with San Antonio on both ends and beating them, especially on defense. If you couldn't watch that series and comprehend that the Spurs would need to majorly flop to blow that series, with or without the suspensions, then that is something you have to deal with on your own.

This is just another way for people to completely discredit how amazing the Spurs played for the entirity of the NBA playoffs... and I don't even like the Spurs.

  

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149. "he white!!!"
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152. "Sounds like it came out of a Sopranos episode. (swipe)"
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Seriously.

Ref gets in gambling debts, owes mob, fixes games and is ruined.

In tomorrow's NY Daily News.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2007/07/22/2007-07-22_rogue_ref_may_blow_whistle-3_print.html

Rogue ref may blow whistle

Hoops zebra could turn into rat in betting scandal, officials say

BY MIKE JACCARINO in West Goshen Township, Pa.
and JOHN MARZULLI, JONATHAN LEMIRE and RICH SCHAPIRO in New York
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Posted Sunday, July 22nd 2007, 4:00 AM
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Tim Donaghy

Federal authorities believe the referee at the center of the betting and game-fixing probe rocking the NBA will cooperate with investigators - and possibly name other officials or players involved in the scandal, law enforcement sources told The News.

Saddled with large gambling debts, Tim Donaghy allegedly used mobbed-up bookies to place thousands of dollars in bets on games over the past two seasons, including contests he officiated, the sources said.

Two of the bookies are expected to be arrested this week after Donaghy, who has resigned from the NBA, surrenders to authorities in New York as early as Tuesday, the sources said.

Investigators do not yet know if the NBA gambling scandal extends beyond Donaghy, who has hired former federal prosecutor John Lauro as his defense attorney. The Tampa-based Lauro specializes in representing whistleblowers, the sources said.

"Who knows what he'll say if he comes in," a law enforcement source said.

New details of the growing scandal emerged yesterday and painted a troubling picture of the 40-year-old Donaghy. The so-called family man, who hid his frightening temper and shady associates from public view, has been arrested twice for erratic and threatening behavior.

In June 2002, he was charged with disorderly conduct and harassment for nearly running a U.S. postal carrier off the road after the mailman accidentally knocked over a bin of recyclables in front of the ref's Pennsylvania home.

"He was pretty nasty," mail carrier Charles Brogan, 48, said as he recalled trying to make a delivery at Donaghy's West Goshen house. "I just drove down the road. I thought, 'No way I'm going back there.'"

As Brogan attempted to drive his route, a screaming Donaghy chased him by hopping into his car and speeding after the postal truck, Brogan said.

"He kept cutting me off," said Brogan, adding that Donaghy narrowly avoided ramming his truck several times. "He wouldn't let me deliver the mail."

"At one point he got out of his car and started threatening me face to face," Brogan said. "He was yelling, 'I'll have your job. I know so and so.'"

Brogan said Donaghy tried to intimidate him by saying he played golf with famous players like Charles Barkley.

Donaghy later came to the post office to apologize at least three times, but Brogan said he refused to talk to him. The criminal case was dropped because Brogan failed to show up for a court hearing.

David Boyle, a local cop, said Donaghy would often pepper his neighbors' houses with golf balls that he hit from his backyard.

"He didn't get arrested because nobody saw him do it," Boyle said. "But there were divots all over the backyard."

Donaghy's longtime caddy at the Radley Run Country Club - which suspended the ref in 2004 for bad behavior - said the NBA zebra ruffled feathers there as well.

"He was polite to me and I liked him, but a lot of people felt he was rude," said Brent Devantier, 23, who noted that Donaghy was a "top-flight tipper."

Donaghy, a 13-year veteran of the NBA, also was charged with harassing and stalking Dennis Van Zandt in Haverton Township, Pa., in June 1995, according to court papers. Van Zandt refused to discuss the incident yesterday for fear of retribution.

"You read the story," he said. "I don't want to talk about it for obvious reasons."

Donaghy, who now lives in Bradenton, Fla., also was sued in 2005 by a neighbor in West Chester, Pa., where he moved from West Goshen, for instigating "a pattern of public harassment," according to court papers.

Sources told The News that federal authorities first heard Donaghy's name on a wiretap during investigations into the Gambino crime family over the past year.

A Philadelphia wiseguy wanna-be is believed to have threatened to use his contacts in the Gambino family to hurt Donaghy if the ref - already known as a heavy gambler - did not share inside information and help fix games, sources said.

That gangster also claimed he would expose Donaghy's serious debts if he did not cooperate with the bookies, who allegedly won thousands of dollars with the referees' help, sources said.

NBA referees reportedly earn between $100,000 to $300,000 per year.


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155. "Poor Timmy: Authorities concerned over Donaghy's safety"
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THAT is the ESPN headline this morning.

Nothing negative of course...... No investigative reporting.

This story NEEDS to be beaten to death.

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Report: Florida authorities called to Donaghy's home

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NBA referee Tim Donaghy, who's being investigated by the FBI for betting on games he worked, had local lawmen at his Florida home Sunday because of threatening phone calls he's received, according to The New York Post.

Three squad cars from the Manatee County Sheriff's Office arrived at Donaghy's home in Bradenton, Fla.

"Our concern is for his safety and his family's safety," Sheriff's Lt. Robert McNealy told the newspaper for a story in Monday's editions. "We are definitely going to share any information we get with the FBI."

Authorities are examining whether the referee made calls to affect the point spread in games on which he or associates had wagered thousands of dollars over the past two seasons. Authorities say the referee had a gambling problem and was approached by low-level mob associates through an acquaintance.

The Daily News reported Sunday, citing unidentified law enforcement sources, that Donaghy will cooperate with authorities and possibly name other officials and players involved in the betting scandal.

On Monday, the newspaper reported that former neighbors of Donaghy's in Pennsylvania say they were approached more than a year ago by a private investigator they believed was hired by the NBA to check into Donaghy's gambling habits.

Kit Antsey, a real estate agent in West Chester, Pa., who helped Donaghy buy a home, told The Daily News a private investigator contacted him 18 months ago and asked him whether Donaghy bet on sports and at an Atlantic City casino.

However, The New York Times reported Monday, citing two unidentified people briefed on the investigation, that the NBA didn't know about Donaghy's betting or whether he affected the outcome of games until after the season.

The Times and The Daily News also reported NBA commissioner David Stern plans to speak publicly about Donaghy this week, maybe as soon as Monday.

  

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157. "^^^and people wonder why the race card is thrown around!!!"
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compare and contrast, people it's not hard.

so now the crooked ref is getting the sympathy vote because he's getting threatening phone calls? gtfohwtbs!!!

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158. "race cards come from a race deck"
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159. "follow the money"
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ESPN is gonna be lightweight on this scandal, because they pay a billion dollars a year for NBA tv rights.

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161. "aint that some buttery bullshit."
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163. "we need some lobster up in this piece."
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162. "i can see it if you say they GET paid a billion a year by the nba"
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but for it to be the other way around???

i swear i wish i had a newspaper, tv news station or something.

this is so beyond ridiculous i can't stand it.

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171. "if you invested several billion in a company, would you try and ruin it?"
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cmon

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183. "nope...which makes espn's stance all the more shady."
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186. "that's what i'm saying. i think we're in agreement"
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espn has invested billions in the NBA. if the NBA were to suffer a huge setback from this scandal, ESPN/ABC would lose a shitload of money.

ESPN can't *ignore* the story because it's too big, but they aren't going to be the ones digging deep into it, either. they are gonna be the NBA's propaganda arm and try to isolate donaghy rather than examine how deep the rabbit hole goes (which is what responsible journalists will do).

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201. "^^^^^^ Sam sees it - money is far more important than anything else"
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160. "thats what im sayin"
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>compare and contrast, people it's hard.
>
>so now the crooked ref is getting the sympathy vote because
>he's getting threatening phone calls? gtfohwtbs!!!

its so obvious its sad.

The story (not this article), SHOULD be front page/lead story news.

  

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172. "wouldn't it be a little bit different in this situation, though?"
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Not that I disagree with the notion that this dude brought this shit upon himself, but I kinda figured that in this case, the feds might want him alive because he might have important information that could be used to implicate other refs and/or players that might be caught up in the same stuff. If he's dead, what do they have?

  

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165. "Listen to ESPN radio"
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That's all they were saying all weekend was how they feel "bad" for Tim because he's getting death threats and has a family.

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166. "That is the reason I listen to NPR instead of sports talk radio"
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this is sad.


  

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167. "RE: That is the reason I listen to NPR instead of sports talk radio"
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It was the weekend and I didn't feel like listening to any CDs during my driving. I normally listen to NPR too.

Fox Sports Radio usually provides an nice alternative unless Chris Meyers is on. He's making it his personal mission to bring down Bonds and Vick (kind of like Geraldo went on his personal mission to lock OJ up).

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169. "Yet the same callers will flip & say <insert black athlete here>"
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brought it on himself.


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170. "exactly"
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173. "Hes not guilty so he should still be able to ref right???"
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^^^ thats a joke, but for those thinking Vick should play should also think Tim should be able to ref. neither are guilty of anything.

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175. "because folks fighting dogs impacts NFL scores. i bet mv saw a good"
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dogfight the day before he lit up cincy and pittsburgh.

that's JUST like this case.

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177. "But he isnt guilty of anything right?"
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178. "RE: because folks fighting dogs impacts NFL scores. i bet mv saw a good"
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>dogfight the day before he lit up cincy and pittsburgh.
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>that's JUST like this case.
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beat me to it......I like how he felt the need to 'explain' his little illogical bullshit joke.

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179. "so if he were ACCUSED for dogfighting would he be allowed to ref?"
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180. "log off fam"
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181. "I think my stance is being misinterpreted"
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By my inability to get to my point.

I think both cases true or not at this point are giving their respective leagues a black eye and until completly resolved I feel both individuals should not be working.

But then I start to think that shouldnt people that to this point are guilty of nothing be allowed to work?

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184. "Yeah, but if MV was indicted for gambling on football games"
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regardless of his guilt or innocence, Goodell would have to sit him down (likely w/ pay) until they could sort it out. They couldn't take the chance that he was guilty & they allowed him to play.

I would suspect Donaghy will be suspended w/ pay.


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185. "Yea I think thats the way to go"
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But how do they move forward if they are found not guilty??

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194. "Iono, but Goodell just did"
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187. "the ref resigned."
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195. "shoulda read "would have been suspended""
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188. "I thought I read that Donaghy resigned already"
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193. "Numbers Say Something is Fishy *swipe*"
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=expertstatsdonaghy

When noted sports gambling expert R.J. Bell began crunching numbers from the last four years of NBA referee Tim Donaghy's career Monday, what he discovered sent him on a public relations ride he never thought possible.


"It's been a crazy day," said Bell, the president of sports betting information site pregame.com. "But this is some groundbreaking stuff."


The biggest eye opener, Bell said, came when he compared the number of points scored in the games Donaghy officiated versus the number of points the Las Vegas sports books had expected.


In the two seasons in which the FBI is investigating Donaghy for allegedly fixing games for gambling purposes, Bell found that, in games when Donaghy was part of the officiating crew, NBA teams scored more points than Las Vegas expected (hitting the over) 57 percent of the time. With a league average of 49 to 51 percent, the odds of such an occurrence are 19 to 1.


When Bell analyzed the numbers from the two seasons before the two in question, he discovered that, in games Donaghy officiated, NBA teams scored more points than Vegas expected just 44 percent of the time.

Although the 13 percent difference might not seem that jarring to the casual observer, it's jaw-dropping in the world of sports gambling. Bell said the odds of a 44 percent probability happening 57 percent of the time are about 1 in 1,000.


"There's a 99.9 percent chance that these results would not have happened without an outside factor," Bell said. "Something abnormal was going on here."


ESPN.com's own research into Donaghy's last two seasons supports Bell's claims. In the 66 games Donaghy refereed in the 2005-06 season, the two teams in his games combined to score an average of 196.8 points. The average over/under, according to BoDog.com, was 186.6, a difference of almost 10 points.


In 2006-07, Donaghy refereed 73 games. In those contests, the two teams combined to score 201.37 points and the average over/under was 187.9 points, a difference of more than 13 points per game.


"Vegas is too good for that to happen," Bell said. "The standard range should be somewhere around five or six, maybe. Not 10 or 13."


The surprising trends aren't limited to total bets, when a gambler wagers on the total number of points scored in a game. Side bets, when a gambler picks one side or the other to win the contest, also raised some concern.


At the start of the 2007 calendar year, Bell said, there were 10 straight games in which Donaghy was part of the officiating crew and the point spread moved a point and a half or more before tip-off, indicating big money had been wagered on the game. In those 10 contests, according to Bell, the big money won all 10 times.
At the start of the 2007 calendar year, Bell said, there were 10 straight games in which Donaghy was part of the officiating crew and the point spread moved a point and a half or more before tip-off, indicating big money had been wagered on the game. In those 10 contests, according to Bell, the big money won all 10 times.


"They say follow the money, right?" Bell said. "Well, when the money is right 10 straight times, something is going on. To me, that's the gavel clicking down."


Just as interesting are the numbers from April 15 to the postseason. During that stretch, there were nine games in which Donaghy was part of the officiating crew and the line moved more than a point and a half before the tip, Bell said. And in those games, the big money was just 2-7.


"It means one of two things," Bell said. "Perhaps in the playoffs, they felt too much scrutiny and they weren't trying to do anything and the results are just random. Or perhaps there was some sort of turnabout with the individual in question and he went the other way."


Yet despite such surprising numbers, in an environment in which every gambler is looking for every advantage he can find, Bell said it's highly unlikely anyone outside the individuals who had knowledge of Donaghy's alleged involvement would have been able to identify his tendencies.


"There's a strong indication that this was not going around on the buzz, as they like to say. Without the benefit of hindsight, two years wouldn't have been enough for these tendencies to reveal themselves," he said. "In three or four years, maybe. But not two."


According to FoxSports.com, over the last two seasons, Donaghy led the NBA in technical fouls, free-throw attempts per game and foul outs per game.

Bell said officials are studied to find possible gambling advantages in the ways they call a game. But the majority of that work, he said, is done in baseball; umpires are given ample attention because of their strike zone size. On any given night, the umpire can affect the over/under. In the NBA, Bell said the only real attention paid to the referees is whether that official is a "homer," in other words whether he has a tendency to be influenced by a home crowd in a big game.


"There's research that if it's a nationally televised game or a rivalry game with a large, boisterous crowd, some officials will get freaked out," Bell said. "A sophisticated gambler knows that and will consider that when placing his bets."

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197. "You might want to watch this"
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YouTube video of clips from Suns-Spurs game 3...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkKdXLwt0U

  

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200. "half the truth guided biased video"
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reminds me of that loose change video. sounds real spooky and filled with quotes and what not, but how about this:


FACT: Barbosa played horrible that Game. In fact the whole bench (or lack therof) played horrible! Total Suns Bench points: 18

FACT: Steve Nash started off game 0 for 12 in game 3.

FACT: 5 of Amare's fouls were clearly on him, why aren't they shown in this clip if that wasn't the case.

FACT: That charging clip with Nash is indeed the right call. In order for Nash to get that call he must be still. (watch how his back curves and is not still)

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203. "It's raining pleas.."
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On Sportstalk 980 today, Al Koken (John Thompson's sidekick) made the case that Donaghy never actually changed the outcome of a game as far as wins and losses but rather ONLY influenced the point spread. But of course, he prefaced it by saying that he's not letting Donaghy off the hook.

Ironically, this dude hates Barry Bonds and his children with a passion.

If it's discovered that anymore officials are caught fixing games, you'll see puff pieces about addiction and sobbing family members on ESPN.

  

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204. "okay, but if he's calling quick/extra fouls to affect the over/under"
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it's going to favor a team with a deeper bench right? You can't just say that it didn't affect the outcomes of the games because he only cared about the over under.

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Sports talk show hosts are like women. They'd rather talk and say the wrong thing rather than just shut up altogether.

  

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206. "talkin', well..., writing about it:"
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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-op-zirin29jul29,0,1849220.story?coll=la-sunday-commentary

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This story has basically died down in the press. I don't get it. This "should be" bigger than the steroids and Vick deal. I mean, this could bring down an entire sport!!!

What kills me is Stern says, "This is an isolated incident" and the media goes for it hook, line, and sinker.

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208. "Actually Mike Lupica called Stern out on SportsReports for that comment"
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He was basically saying that at this point, there is no way he can say for sure that there's only one official involved.


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210. "well right now, there isn't anything new to report"
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with the vick case, people are entering pleas, one guy just pled guilty and might turn snitch, those are all things to report on.

with donaghy, it's kind of in a lull right now, until the feds (or the NBA) release more info or names.

*Jews you*

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209. "Referees: Stern is on that bullshit (swipe)"
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Officials united against scrutiny
Sunday, July 29, 2007
BY DAVE D'ALESSANDRO
Star-Ledger Staff

Jake O'Donnell was among the best in his profession for nearly three decades, a basketball referee with a square frame, Don Shula chin and a growling countenance that players interpreted as "not to be messed with." He officiated more than 2,100 NBA games, and each was characterized by an extraordinary knack for anticipating the play, marking him as a man who could smell contact and conflict like a distant rain.

But foresight doesn't follow you into retirement, apparently, because he never envisioned what the job would become for his successors.

"It's always been a thankless job -- no doubt about it," said O'Donnell, 68, who remains the only man ever to officiate both baseball and basketball All-Star games. "But I always thought I was different. I loved visiting different cities, loved being in the arena, and the atmosphere of the crowd. That's why I became the official in the first place. I never dreaded it like some guys, not one minute.

"But now, the strain of the job on these guys just seems overwhelming. The demands are ridiculous. I've only been gone 12 years, and from what I can see, the job is 10 times harder. I'm not sure ... if I would like it anymore."

Given the unending psychological deliberation lately about Tim Donaghy -- and what his transgressions may represent -- perhaps the best judges of the most nefarious episode in NBA history would be his peers and predecessors, who know of the job's demands better than those looking at the profession through the media prism.

O'Donnell is just one of them -- still a spiritual member of a universally distrusted group that will tell you that the pressures facing NBA referees are ceaseless, with daily burdens that sit on them like a possessive parent.

To a man, they want the sporting public to regard them as three regular guys (sometimes two men and a woman), who are responsible for fending off the chaos, mayhem and self-interest that lie just beneath the civil disguise of athletic showmanship.

But they also make it clear that this is perhaps the easiest part of their job, which also includes 150,000 miles of travel per season, 120-150 nights away from their families, countless hours of film work and clerical duties, physical pain, nightly verbal abuse from strangers, unyielding scrutiny from supervisors they often do not respect, and punishments -- financial or worse -- for the occasional mistake.

And stress. Lots of stress. Perhaps the kind that would make a talented, 40-year-old man making $260,000 stray into a world that no referee had ever dared venture before.

"Sometimes, you look at a young guy and you can just see he won't be able to take it," said Hue Hollins, who officiated from 1975 to 2003. "It really takes a certain type to do this job. You have to have the right temperament -- one personality for on the court, one for off the court. You have to have intestinal fortitude. You're going to get abuse from the fans and second-guessed from your superiors, and you have to work through it. And then when you think you've got it, you're going to go back and do it all again the next night."

Hollins paused, as if to wonder how he did it for 27 years.

"You know," he said, "nobody ever asks me about this. And it's long past the time we started talking about it."

INCOMPETENCE AT THE TOP

During his 74-minute news conference to address the Donaghy calamity Tuesday, commissioner David Stern gave an erudite defense of his crew of 60 officials, which was remarkable for its balance. Each compliment was followed by a negative afterthought, which seemed to be a concession to the critics of the guys wearing the whistles -- who by league mandate are not allowed to defend themselves by granting interviews.

"By and large, they get it right most of the time," Stern said, and that was followed shortly by, "They get it wrong sometimes."

"Sometimes they perhaps carry themselves in a way that is not as modest as we would prefer" was followed by "but they do their darnedest to get the result right."

And he added that his greatest concern, "rather than chastising them ... (is) reassuring them that I am committed to protecting them, while at the same time making sure we keep our covenant with our fans" -- as if those are mutually exclusive aims.

This equivocation was noted with disdain by many members of his officiating staff, according to a current referee who cannot reveal his identity for fear of reprisal. The frequent implications that they represent the group holding the league back -- at a time when it should be at the top of its game, so to speak -- is the lingering problem in this relationship.

The NBA would not make anyone in its operations department -- notably, Supervisor of Officials Ronnie Nunn -- available to elucidate Stern's remarks for this story. But the men who once worked for him believe that he should be as forthcoming with his criticisms of management -- and himself -- for not understanding the demands of their jobs.

In short, they portray their employers as experts in the dubious art of creative tension.

"First of all, there's incompetence from top to bottom," Hollins said. "You have Ronnie Nunn at the top, who was never a top referee, and he is not respected by any ref in the field today. From there, the referee observers in each city are not competent -- I know of one who is a high school football coach -- and some of the group supervisors were failed referees.

"Sure, we make mistakes. But when I left the league, refs were in the 96th to 97th percentile of getting calls right. But it was always the same second-guess -- by incompetent people. From a mental standpoint, it's brutal. Most guys get gun-shy and can't take it. I'm a professional referee for 27 years, and some supervisor who proved he couldn't do it is telling me how to do my job? That's like sending an auto mechanic into O.R. for heart surgery."

"It goes back to the strain," O'Donnell said. "The games were easy. Now they have all these reports, you don't get to sleep until 1, you get a wake-up call at 4, and then you start all over again the next day. It's like a 20-hour job. The only free time is in the afternoon, and all you do then is take a nap. You make good money, sure, but the league has to ease up to a point.

"We haven't even gotten into the toll it takes on families -- that's a mess. If you talk to a lot of officials, I don't know if there are a lot of happy marriages. I'd say at least a quarter of them end up in divorce."

"Nowadays, you're even competing with the owners," added Wally Rooney, who was an official for 23 years until 1993, and a supervisor for seven years after that. "They actually have team employees doing their own work with (referee) statistics, so there's even more pressure. The feeling in the league (is), you get paid good money, why shouldn't you be under the gun every game?"

Mike Mathis, an official for 26 seasons until his retirement in 2002, was more terse: "David Stern doesn't have any interest in easing the burden of the officials," he said.

"He wants to control the players union and the ref union and the entire world," Mathis continued. "He should stop concerning himself with all that and look at what's going on. Just don't give lip service to the referees. They carry the integrity of the league. That's the lesson in all this. And now we got a disaster because it has been breached. It's great to sell shoes and jerseys and sell out arenas, but don't make your concern for the officials just a sidelight."

Which raises the question: If the job is so taxing, with the league erecting an infrastructure of unreasonable, Draconian demands every year, why do it?

In a 2001 interview with the Star-Ledger, referee Bob Delaney, the Paterson native and former New Jersey State Trooper, put it best:

"It's what we're trained to do," Delaney replied, when asked how he coped with the chronic irritants of the job. "Most of us have been doing it for decades, and regardless of what some coaches and fans might think, the vast majority of us are pretty damn good at it. You learn to deal with the headaches. It's hard at first for the young guys, but you learn to work with a crew to keep the game under control and let the athletes do what they've come to do. It can be a tough job, but it can also be a great job, especially when you get a tough call right.

"You never call a perfect game, because we're all human, but I can tell you this: Every one of us strives for perfection."

Another current official, who cannot be identified because of league rules, agreed.

"I read the other day that we're a bunch of corrupt egomaniacs with a God complex," he said. "That was very interesting. I always thought we were just a bunch of basketball fanatics trying to get the call right. I'm sorry we're not perfect."

EVEN MORE STRESS

Donaghy was clearly one of the imperfect ones, if gambling accusations are true. What made him allegedly break the law and risk his career won't be answered anytime soon, but one expert won't rule out the stress of officiating as a contributing factor.

"People that get into officiating they have a healthy attitude about control," said Dr. Les Barbanell, a sports psychologist from Fort Lee. "You need organization skills, leadership skills, and you want people to listen to you. To some extent, those are healthy character traits.

"But if they are excessive, it would turn into a problem. For example, if an official has a certain history where they would feel suppressed by parental figures or supervisors, they'd have a need for more power. If you believe in an unconscious, it takes them over and you have a blind spot. You're running the lives of multimillion-dollar players. That's an awesome feeling. It goes from a benign need for control to the pathological. If someone comes along and says, 'You can have more control, and we'll pay you for it,' it taps into your vulnerability."

Barbanell added that mental strain often leads to aberrant behavior.

"If you're not a popular person in any context, you're going to feel anxiety," he said. "There's always stress if you're a minority. And face it, if you're a referee, you're a minority. You're not a great guy to anybody."

Donaghy's fellow referees, of course, cannot accept that this could lead one to fix games. For them, integrity is not a conditional word; it doesn't change with the time zone or an arena's noise level. It is an indelible image of yourself, and of your commitment to do the job properly.

"I'm still floored he would do something like that," Hollins said. "I still say it comes down to one thing, if he's guilty: He thought he should be making more money for the job he was doing. I just wish the guy got out faster if he couldn't handle the stress, because he's just put more stress on the profession at large."

"The treatment from the fans is going to get pretty bad," O'Donnell said. "I could sit here and say I can handle it, but it would bother me if I'm still officiating. My heart goes out to those guys. You probably can't even go out for a beer after the game anymore. That's no way to live your life."

  

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211. "NOPE!!!! STAY FOCUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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212. "NOT A PEEP ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!...........CISM!"
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213. "^^^^herculian uppage"
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214. "The story that's not being reported"
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Here is what I don't understand. There is a huge story here that could be uncovered and the media is choosing to ignore it.

Donaghey's home town is a known hot-bed for gambling. One ESPN head (whose name escapes me now) grew up in the same town and knew Donaghey and his family. He talked about how his home town is BIG into gambling. No lie, he said you knew what teachers to go to for bet sheets in each grade starting in SEVENTH GRADE!!!!!

He went on to point out a little know fact about this area of PA. There are currently 4 NBA refs from this same high school. One of them being Joey Crawford.

I point out Joey Crawford because under the radar Crawford applied for reinstatement a week before this story broke. HOWEVER, Darth Stern has Crawford's reinstatement on hold.

Just food for thought.


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215. "name names nigga... is u talking about Philly or what?"
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219. "RE: name names nigga... is u talking about Philly or what?"
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John Kincade grew up with Donaghy, knows his family and went to the same school (Cardinal O'Hara High School in Springfield, PA).

The other 3 NBA refs that went to Cardinal O'Hara are Joey Crawford, Mike Callahan, and Ed Malloy.
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You should really follow up w/ some more info on this.

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220. "where are you getting this info from?"
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217. "I dunno, ESPN.com has "Cheatgate '07" or something going on..."
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But it's prolly them 'VERSIONS!!!

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218. "Donaghy is going to plead guilty tomorrow"
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But this shit is still getting minimal coverage.

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221. "I agree. Top story on SportsCenter tonight though"
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Followed by more of the Vick shitstorm. To be fair, more is going on in the Vick story with all the plea bargaining and whatnot. This is the first significant development with Donaghy. Or so it seems.

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222. "That really shouldn't be an excuse for the minimal coverage"
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this scandal has had.

  

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And it's easy to call cism here, but star power has alot to do with it as well. Vick is as big as they come. Were it Peyton Manning and Danny Crawford I'd expect the exact same coverage.

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I think it has to do with the fact the FOUR letter has in invested interest in the NBA. They won't trash a league that's going to bring them money. They're "protecting" their interest by focusing on Vick and throwing in a nugget on Donaghy. Trust me, the FOUR letter is dancing with joy they have Vick (if not Vick they would have made a story up regarding A-Rod).

The is the major problem I have with the FOUR letter - they control too much of the sport media market. This NBA story should be bigger because it deals with the entire integrity of sports. But like I said, if ESPN digs up dirt on the NBA - they hurt themselves financially.

  

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225. "Isnt ESPN invested in the NFL and Monday Night Football?"
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226. "RE: Isnt ESPN invested in the NFL and Monday Night Football?"
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Yes but the NFL doesn't struggle for ratings. The NFL is where baseball use to be. You could put the Arizona Cardinals and Cleveland Browns on tv and people will watch.

Plus ESPN has a bigger stake in the NBA than it does the NFL.
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227. "On top of that, it's a millionaire celebrity organizing DOG FIGHTS ?!?!?..."
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I mean, that's a much more sensational story than a no-name ref impugning the integrity of an already suspect league.

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228. "The problem with that tho is"
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It's sensationalized when it's Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson, Chris Henry, etc who admittedly aren't totally off the radar but who are all far less famous for their play on the field than Vick. So, it's not necessary for you to be "famous" for the stories to have legs. It only requires that ESPN shoves it ya mug all day everyday. They can certainly make stories more or less visible, relevant, etc which can dictate passion or indifference.




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229. "but isn't vick a bigger story than these cause he's a star"
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>It's sensationalized when it's Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson,
>Chris Henry, etc who admittedly aren't totally off the radar
>but who are all far less famous for their play on the field
>than Vick.

and their problem is they KEEP getting in trouble. nobody remembers the other bengals who have had brushes with the law.

So, it's not necessary for you to be "famous" for
>the stories to have legs.

No, but you do have to be in the spotlight, which every NFL players, especially starters, are

It only requires that ESPN shoves it
>ya mug all day everyday. They can certainly make stories more
>or less visible, relevant, etc which can dictate passion or
>indifference.

once again, the guys you mention are somewhat doing it to themselves because they KEEP getting in trouble. they're still talking about the bengals, but not those individual players who got in trouble once.

  

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230. "but the point is you don't have to be a star to be a big story"
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even if being a star makes you a bigger story. What you're not accounting for in Donaghy's situation (as opposed to say lesser known players fucking up) is SCALE. So, even if Vick's stardom >>>>>> Donaghy's stardom, a ref betting on games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighting dogs.. As a sports story, a referee betting on & intentionally manipulating games = Armageddon.

Vick's stardom & the SCALE of Donaghy's actions make the stories at the very least comparable in regards to the coverage they should receive.

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231. "Donaghy is about to destroy the NBA, Vick merely dented the NFL."
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yet Vick is getting the attention.

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232. "Exactly, Life goes on in the NFL after Vick regardless....."
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It affects Vick & the Falcons, that's it.

Donaghy could have potentially destroyed the credibility of the NBA w/ fans.

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235. "i think this makes my point also though"
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the NFL is GIGANTIC, so every story is naturally going to get more play. The NBA isn't really in the national scope as far as everyday new stories. I bet less than a quarter of Americans can tell you the two NBA Finals teams are.

Also, I don't buy the idea that Donaghy could kill the NBA. He's an unknown and we don't know how large-scale ref-betting is. If it turns out it's MUCH bigger than donaghy then maybe.

  

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239. "i have a gut feeling it IS bigger than just him and a couple of homies"
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241. "maybe, but it's all just speculation right now"
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and speculation isn't really a story. and these things are hard to find out also. so i doubt anyone else gets caught if they do it.

  

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243. "i dont think if they caught anyone else, that Stern would allow that"
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to be broadcast on national television... simple as that.

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234. "this is where i disagree"
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a ref betting on games>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighting dogs.. As a sports story,


because there's certain things that are inexplicable. and hurting innocent beings, be them children or animals is one of them. why do you think jon benet ramsey was so frigging huge? because look at the pictures they always showed of her, she looks like a human doll.

betting is a vice, and while it makes for a good story, it's more comprehensible.

>a referee betting on & intentionally manipulating games =
>Armageddon.

see this is just it though. we don't know if he did or did not intentionally manipulate the games. much of the story up to this point has largely been speculation. we know he bet with the mob, but we don't know if anyone got hurt as a result. with the plea deal idk that those details will ever come out.

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>Vick's stardom & the SCALE of Donaghy's actions make the
>stories at the very least comparable in regards to the
>coverage they should receive.
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so far as we know, nothing and nobody died as a result of donaghy's actions. that is a HUGE difference.

  

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236. "so you're saying death makes vicks story>>>>>than donaghy's?"
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238. "that's one of the reasons, yes."
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both were obviously against human ethics. But gambling is looked at as a disease so gamblers are kind of looked at as despicable but are almost pitied in a way. whereas everything that vick allegedly did is completely inhumane.

  

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242. "Potential destruction of a multi-billion league >>>>> Killing dogs"
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Perspective homey,.. perspective..

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251. "once again"
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there aren't enough details from the case out there yet to warrant thinking the league would be destroyed by this. people keep saying "this might kill the league, who the fuck gives a shit about a dog?" better question: who the fuck gives a shit about a ref? personally i think we could find out that every ref that currently works for the nba bets on games and still the league would keep right along, especially since it's just easy to get rid of a bunch of refs and just replace them. if it was players this would be totally different, because stars have made the nba what it is today, not refs. it would be sad and disheartening for fans certainly, especially if this new report of 20 possible bettors is true. but the league will be fine. people go to see the players, not the refs.

  

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252. "Dude, the NBA HAS A CREDIBILITY ISSUE AS WE SPEAK"
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because we know at least 1 referee has plead guilty to gambling on & manipulating games in which he was officiating. And we haven't even got to the other referees who might be implicated in gambling (which might ALSO lead to other who manipulated games that they officiated)

You can try to downplay it all you want but the fact is that this is POTENTIALLY CATASTHOPHIC for the NBA, period.

If Vick is gone from NFL, even under these circumstances, big deal.. because the NFL will survive & moves on.

When Barry Sanders abruptly retired, the NFL moved on..
When Magic abruptly announced his retirement, the NBA moved on.
When Jordan abruptly announced his retirement, the NBA moved on.

However, NO LEAGUE CAN'T MOVE ON IF THE LEAGUE CEASES TO EXIST. That's why it's a bigger story. Because of it's potential to destroy the credibility of the sport.

If you can't understand that, at this point I have to believe you're being deliberately obtuse.




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246. "Come On Man"
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>because there's certain things that are inexplicable. and
>hurting innocent beings, be them children or animals is one of
>them. why do you think jon benet ramsey was so frigging huge?
>because look at the pictures they always showed of her, she
>looks like a human doll.
Jon Benet Ramsey was huge because it was a little GIRL, possibly involved with a sex scandal with her FATHER, and pushed into pageantry by her MOTHER...and THEY possibly killed a 5-year old girl. Dogfighting doesn't even come CLOSE to killing a little girl, and if it does, then we're living in a sick society

  

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250. "lol, i wasn't comparing the acts in terms of ethics."
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>Jon Benet Ramsey was huge because it was a little GIRL,
>possibly involved with a sex scandal with her FATHER, and
>pushed into pageantry by her MOTHER...and THEY possibly killed
>a 5-year old girl. Dogfighting doesn't even come CLOSE to
>killing a little girl, and if it does, then we're living in a
>sick society
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I'm saying kids are killed and kids are abused every year, sometimes a combination of the two. and yes, the mystery of the case obviously contributed to why people were interested, but the media put up those pictures of her and it was over. just saying that the vick allegations involve killing innocent things in a malicious way. that's partially why it's big news. it's different from putting a dog to sleep, plain and simple.

  

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233. "the NBA's credibility is completely destroyed!!!! and all ESPN"
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can do is ... ehhh..

are you fuckin kidding me? this shit is huge.

  

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237. "RE: the NBA's credibility is completely destroyed!!!! and all ESPN"
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index

It's the top story on the NBA page, with 13 smaller links leading to other sides and discussions on the story. cmon.

  

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240. "Poor Sixers (and others): No Respect for the Home Team (swipe)"
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how he gonna bet against his hometown?
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Donaghy Took Celtics in Game vs. 76ers

by Brian Mahoney
The Associated Press

NEW YORK -- With Allen Iverson not playing, gamblers bet big on the Boston Celtics when they traveled to Philadelphia for a Dec. 13 game.

The Celtics won. So did Tim Donaghy.

Donaghy, the disgraced former NBA referee, pleaded guilty Wednesday to giving inside information to gamblers and taking payments when his information was right.

Before officiating the Dec. 13 game, Donaghy is accused of speaking with one of his alleged co-conspirators -- James Battista, a professional gambler with the nicknames "Baba" and "Sheep," or Thomas Martino.

The next day, Donaghy met with both and received a cash payment for a successful tip on the game, according to a person close to the investigation who spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is ongoing.

Playing without Iverson while attempting to trade him, the 76ers opened as 1 point underdogs, but heavy action eventually moved the line to 3. Boston outscored Philadelphia 58-40 in the second half and won 101-81.

Donaghy is also charged with giving another pick over the phone on or about Dec. 26. He officiated a Grizzlies-Wizards game in Washington that night and heavy betting moved the over/under from 203 to 207. That was easily surpassed in Washington's 116-101 victory.

Martino is accused of delivering payments to Donaghy in Phoenix in January, Toronto in March, and Washington in April. Donaghy was in those cities to officiate games, though it is not known if he was paid specifically for those games. A look at the games he worked in those locations.

Jan. 5; Suns 108, Heat 80.

Phoenix opens as an 18-point favorite and cruises against a Miami team playing without Dwyane Wade, Shaquille O'Neal and coach Pat Riley. Heat starting guard Jason Williams is ejected by referee Gary Zielinski with 9:07 to play after scoring 14 points.

March 11; Raptors 120, SuperSonics 119, OT

Favored by 5, the Raptors rally to force overtime by outscoring Seattle 35-28 in the fourth quarter. With the teams combining for 90 points in the final 17 minutes, they easily surpass the over/under that had opened at 202 and moved to 204.

April 10; Nets 96, Wizards 92

Favored by three points, the Nets held on against a Washington team missing Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler when DeShawn Stevenson drove the lane twice in the final minute and didn't draw a foul either time. The officiating crew of Donaghy, Joe Forte and Sean Wright had already made plenty of calls before that: The ragged game included 54 fouls and 73 free throws.

Associated Press Writer Pat Milton contributed to this report.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=54257

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244. "Nobody wants to talk about Donaghy facing charges in Arizona"
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for possibly altering Suns playoff games?

  

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245. "they don't wanna see it or talk about it, dogg"
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look, i get it...

a white ref ruining the intergrity of the game just isn't sexy.

there's not a lot to that. but, if it was a nigga....

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247. "BREAKING NEWS.............20 other referees in on scandal!!"
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Tim D., wasnt the only NBA ref in on the scandal. As much as 20 referees were involved. No link yet, I just heard it on the news..............

  

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248. "And it's still not the biggest story to the media"
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Stern must have something on all the media outlets.


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249. "i knew this shit was bigger than him and his drinkin buddies."
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253. "At least somebody is still talking about it"
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Donaghy scandal quiet but hasn't gone away
Ken Berger

NBA BASKETBALL

November 18, 2007
It has been stunning to watch how the Tim Donaghy scandal has vanished from the NBA universe, only four months after all heck broke loose and people were predicting the end of the league as we know it.

The saga won't be completely in David Stern's rearview mirror until Donaghy finally is sentenced in late January. Until then, Donaghy will continue cooperating with federal prosecutors and at some point will divulge to league officials critical information about his gambling activities.

For now, there continues to be no evidence that other refs were involved, a premise that most gamblers, fans, players and coaches seem to have accepted at face value until proven otherwise.

"I look at it like it's one bad apple," Nuggets guard Allen Iverson said. "I don't look at it like every referee is into that, and I won't believe that. But the only disturbing part of the whole Tim Donaghy thing was him saying that he let people know what guys had what type of relationships with certain referees. And there's a lot of truth to that.

"Just being in the league 12 years, you know when somebody is not a big fan of yours and you know what type of relationship you have with certain people," Iverson said. "If somebody doesn't like you or you don't like somebody, you know what it is."

The NBA's solution to Donaghy's admission that he leaked referee assignments to gamblers was to publicly announce them at 9 a.m. Eastern time on game days, as opposed to 90 minutes before tipoff. This eliminates any competitive advantage to gamblers such as those tipped off by Donaghy.

The Knicks have taken the additional step of posting the names and photos of the officiating crew in their locker room each night so the players can recognize the refs and address them by name. So far, it's not really doing them much good.


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254. "WOW."
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255. "There barely has been any mention of it during broadcast this"
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season. Hell Stern switching the balls last season got more attention. Just a sad state of affairs.

  

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