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-Back in 1999, Caddilac came up with a rather innovative roadster, it would be be able to go head to head with the foreign roadsters and help bring caddilac back to the forefront of Luxury car building. BUT, it never really made it past concept phase....because they knew the Steelworkers union would freak. Caddilac is making the car, but it's not going to be as innovative as it once was.....thereby not really being that much of a competitor for foreign cars.

If Caddilac is able to re-establish itself as one of the premier luxury car manufacturers...that's better for the company as a whole and better for the workers.

BUT, due to the Union's strangehold...it may never happen.

So Caddilac's market share will slip, they will make less money and be forced to lay people off. Just 3 years ago, Caddilac sold more luxury cars in the US then anyone else. Now? BMW is #1, Lexus is #2, Mercedes is #3 Caddilac is #4 now.

GO UNION, Caddilac won't use the new technology and the workers keep their jobs...for now. BUT what happens when things get worse for Caddilac? Did the union consider that if they let that car get made as it was originally planned, the company would've been healthier an that would've helped them in the long run?

I understand that workers want more money, not to be laid off, better conditions and what not. BUT, I also understand that if the company isn't healty or is falling behind to competitors, then the company may not be around or will have to lay people off just because they don't have the revenue to keep them...then what?

There has to be a balance between what the workers want and what the company's objectives are. Remember it's the company's focus on profit that made it possible for the workers to have a job in the first place....the reason the company exists is to make money...not to employ people.

Layoffs are often a neccessary part of the business cycle. Car Makers are laying people off because they aren't selling as many cars as they used to, they're laying people off because they are idling factories. What are they supposed to do in those situations? Keep people standing around with no work to do?

How about when companies need to lay people off to make things more efficient? Unions NEVER understand this..they would rather the company get big and bloated and collapse under it's own weight.

It's all about BALANCE....balancing the needs of the community (which is often good for business) with the needs of the workers and the company.

I don't believe in sweatshops or unfair wages, but that doesn't change the fact that layoffs are often neccessary, companies can move work to foreign countries if they want to, and people working manufacturing jobs aren't going to get a lot (a lot and fair are two different things).

The Union only thinks about it's workers, E.g. Wages, No Layoffs, etc. The company thinks about appeasing the Union (No Strikes) and making profits...which pay the workers. I think the Unions need to think about the profits of the company as well, after all if the company wasn't thinking about making money...no one would have a job.

I don't think Miguel should make $6.10/hour or 12k/year...or that he shouldn't have insurance. I also don't think he should be making 30/hour or 60k/year either. 35k? Ok....but not 60.....it's called Balance....

It's true that the companies are thinking about profits, but the Unions only think about their workers, even at the expense of the company.

When the company makes decisions that hurt workers, the company benefits and that helps the people who still have jobs and is important for future growth and keeping the company healthy. When the Union makes decisions that hurt the company, it often ends up hurting the workers anyway. But now both parties are hurt, and the company's ability to employ as many people is hurt....


As for your dismissal of my opinion on building wealth, it is obvious you know nothing about building wealth. Increasing GM worker salaries by 50% will do nothing to build wealth unless they know what to do with the money. You don't get wealthy by working for someone else, (entirely) you have to extra stuff. Study the Forbes 400, you might learn something about wealth building. The simple fact that you said "whatever" to the very methods used to buid wealth, indicates you know nothing about it.

As for the Poor Kids not knowing how to make their dreams come true...I stand by that. My school district got re-districted (a word) itself internally, so instead of going to the Yuppie HS in the district, I went to the 85% Blue Collar one. I knew a lot of Blue Collar kids who had the grades and the smarts to get into college, but never went...never really put it together. The schoool wasn't used to college bound kids so it was of little help. They didn't know about things like Fiancial Aid, or had the wrong idea about loans....

So in a St. where the State school was ranked #42 in the country and cost $3k/year..a lot of smart kids didn't go to college. They thought it was a rich kid thing.......while my yuppie neighboors and the kids from the other school went on to college and good careers.

SO I stand by my theory that a lot of poor kids don't know how to make their dreams come true....which just makes it harder because even if they did know...it would be difficult. But if you don't know how to start.....what chance do you have? It's not like Poor kids go to college in droves and just drop out....or try really hard to get in and don't get accepted anywhere.



Peace Out,



M2

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The "Less Fortunate" [View all] , Expertise, Sat Apr-07-01 03:24 PM
 
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My Thoughts
Apr 07th 2001
1
RE: My Thoughts
Apr 08th 2001
14
      What In Hell?!
Apr 08th 2001
15
let
Apr 08th 2001
2
let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
3
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
5
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
16
      what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
60
           RE: what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
61
RE: The "Less Fortunate"
Apr 08th 2001
4
Comments
Apr 08th 2001
6
      RE: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
7
     
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
17
           Quick Comments
Apr 09th 2001
22
                but...
Apr 09th 2001
24
                RE: but...
Apr 09th 2001
27
                Ha.
Apr 10th 2001
30
                     More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
36
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
48
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
52
                               RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
56
                          Funny
Apr 11th 2001
51
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 09th 2001
20
      Addendum...
Apr 08th 2001
8
      your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
9
      RE: your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
11
           indeed
Apr 08th 2001
12
                oh great
Apr 08th 2001
13
                don't worry!
Apr 09th 2001
18
                RE: indeed
Apr 09th 2001
28
                     i'm not like that
Apr 09th 2001
29
      Hold up
Apr 09th 2001
19
           Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
21
                RE: Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
23
                     Before you open your mouth.......
Apr 09th 2001
25
                     Any other College Grads
Apr 09th 2001
26
                          never said..
Apr 10th 2001
31
                          Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
32
                               Question:
Apr 10th 2001
33
                               RE: Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
34
                                    Silly Negroe
Apr 10th 2001
39
                                         Excuse me
Apr 10th 2001
40
                                         Good Luck Then.......
Apr 10th 2001
43
                                         That's just sad......
Apr 10th 2001
41
                                              This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
44
                                                   RE: This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
45
                          ...jesus.
Apr 10th 2001
35
                          Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
37
                               RE: Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
38
                                    Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
42
                                         RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
47
                                              RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 11th 2001
54
                                                   Bullshit.
Apr 11th 2001
55
                                                        You're missing the point
Apr 11th 2001
57
                                                             RE: You're missing the point
Apr 12th 2001
59
                          RE: Any other College Grads
McHottie
Apr 10th 2001
46
                               i love this girl
Apr 10th 2001
49
                               That is what
Apr 11th 2001
50
                               RE: That is what
Apr 11th 2001
53
                                    Agreed...
Apr 12th 2001
58
                                    RE: That is what
Apr 15th 2001
64
                               Thank GOD!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
63
BOO HISS!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
62
View from the outside
tohunga_whakapani
Apr 15th 2001
65
Terrific debate. Gonna have to be upped AGAIN!
Mar 09th 2005
66
so...is White-Racism a hallucination...re: The "Less Fortunate"?
Mar 10th 2005
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