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McHottie

Tue Apr-10-01 11:29 AM

  
46. "RE: Any other College Grads"
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>......working in Engineering, Finance, Accounting or
>Comp Sci who can help
>me shed some light on
>what Graduates in those fields
>are making?

Yes, I can, but not without a little commentary ...

I graduated college three years ago, in that whole new-economy-business-is-booming craze. I got a job as a business strategy consultant that paid me $49,000 plus a year-end bonus (which, if I had stayed at the company for a year, would have been around $10,000).

But the important thing, in the context of this post, is how did I get that job? I got that job because I went to an "elite" college (that my parents paid full tuition for me to attend). Companies which pay that much -- your investment banks, your high-end consulting firms and ad agencies -- will ONLY interview people from so-called "acceptable" colleges. My company only interviewed at the Ivy Leagues and four other schools.

How do people get into those schools? Mostly, the sad fact is, because they're pretty good students ... whose parents can afford to pay for them to go there. That's not to say that there aren't kids from low-income families who go to these schools -- there certainly are -- but they're the rare exception. They don't get in, often, because the high schools in low-income areas tend not to be as good; they tend not to have SAT counselors and college counselors and paid trips to interview at every elite school in the nation. And above all, because they can't pay for a full ride.

(At a lot of admission offices, the first thing they do when they receive applications is sort them by people's answers to the question: "Did you apply for financial aid?" If yes, you're automatically at a disadvantage. There are only about 5 colleges in the country where that's not true, where there are "need-blind" admissions.)

And even if they do get into one of these "elite" places, kids who are from low-income backgrounds tend to have a lot more trouble doing well in interviews for places like Wall Street, since so much of those interviews there have to do with whether you "fit into the culture" of a firm, the firm being composed mostly of rich white guys who'll think nothing of blowing $1500 on strippers in a night. If you can't play that game from the get-go, you're in trouble.

If you grow up in a low-income house and you're a fairly smart kid, there are about a million things standing in between you and a $50,000 a year corporate job. And you can't ever mess up. But if you grow up in a wealthy, or even upper-middle-class house, and you're a fairly smart kid, there are no obstacles. And you can mess up a lot along the way.

Of course, if you're born in a low-income house, you are "less fortunate." Because even if you've got the highest I.Q. around, you're still less likely to succeed. You're still less likely to go to college. You're still less likely to have an upwardly mobile job. Even though you're an "equal" citizen.

Remember that in the last eight years alone, the wealth of the richest 1% of Americans has increased 40%. The wealth of people in the bottom 60% -- which, obviously, is more than half of the country -- has dropped in the same amount of time.

You tell me who's fortunate now.
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susan

  

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The "Less Fortunate" [View all] , Expertise, Sat Apr-07-01 03:24 PM
 
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My Thoughts
Apr 07th 2001
1
RE: My Thoughts
Apr 08th 2001
14
      What In Hell?!
Apr 08th 2001
15
let
Apr 08th 2001
2
let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
3
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
5
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
16
      what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
60
           RE: what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
61
RE: The "Less Fortunate"
Apr 08th 2001
4
Comments
Apr 08th 2001
6
      RE: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
7
      Re: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
10
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
17
           Quick Comments
Apr 09th 2001
22
                but...
Apr 09th 2001
24
                RE: but...
Apr 09th 2001
27
                Ha.
Apr 10th 2001
30
                     More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
36
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
48
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
52
                               RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
56
                          Funny
Apr 11th 2001
51
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 09th 2001
20
      Addendum...
Apr 08th 2001
8
      your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
9
      RE: your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
11
           indeed
Apr 08th 2001
12
                oh great
Apr 08th 2001
13
                don't worry!
Apr 09th 2001
18
                RE: indeed
Apr 09th 2001
28
                     i'm not like that
Apr 09th 2001
29
      Hold up
Apr 09th 2001
19
           Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
21
                RE: Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
23
                     Before you open your mouth.......
Apr 09th 2001
25
                     Any other College Grads
Apr 09th 2001
26
                          never said..
Apr 10th 2001
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                          Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
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                               Question:
Apr 10th 2001
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                               RE: Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
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                                    Silly Negroe
Apr 10th 2001
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                                         Excuse me
Apr 10th 2001
40
                                         Good Luck Then.......
Apr 10th 2001
43
                                         That's just sad......
Apr 10th 2001
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                                              This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
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                                                   RE: This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
45
                          ...jesus.
Apr 10th 2001
35
                          Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
37
                               RE: Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
38
                                    Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
42
                                         RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
47
                                              RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 11th 2001
54
                                                   Bullshit.
Apr 11th 2001
55
                                                        You're missing the point
Apr 11th 2001
57
                                                             RE: You're missing the point
Apr 12th 2001
59
                         
                               i love this girl
Apr 10th 2001
49
                               That is what
Apr 11th 2001
50
                               RE: That is what
Apr 11th 2001
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                                    Agreed...
Apr 12th 2001
58
                                    RE: That is what
Apr 15th 2001
64
                               Thank GOD!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
63
BOO HISS!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
62
View from the outside
tohunga_whakapani
Apr 15th 2001
65
Terrific debate. Gonna have to be upped AGAIN!
Mar 09th 2005
66
so...is White-Racism a hallucination...re: The "Less Fortunate"?
Mar 10th 2005
67

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