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53. "RE: I feel you..."
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The link didn't work (they wanted me to subscribe before they would let me on), but it tells me a lot that the article was in the NY Times. As you probably noticed, I was a bit suspicious of the source, but I do have greater trust in the objectivity of the NY Times.

When I was 18, convinced that I did not want children and not convinced that I wanted to use the birth control pill, I tried to arrange for a tubal ligation & my doctor wouldn't do it, because he was sure that I would change my mind. I didn't. Years later I one day awoke to the fact that I was old enough to be taken seriously and I got the ligation. In California, there is a legal requirement that consent to a tubal ligation be given at least 30 days prior to the surgery. This is in order to prevent coercion (there was some evidence that women -- particularly poor women with more than one child -- were being coerced into receiving ligations against their will or with impaired consent, during childbirth related procedures by doctors who presumptuously believed themselves to be doing these women a service. The 30 day requirement also provides women who make the decision suddenly, because of mishaps in their lives, some cooling off period during which they can change their minds). So I went for my initial consult with the surgeon who would perform the surgery, and she asked me my rationale for the ligation. I gave it to her, much more succinctly than I usually express myself on these boards, and she said, "You sound like you've thought this through a lot more than many women I see. Let's see, shall we schedule the surgery for 30 days from now?" I walked out of her office feeling as though I had been heard, really heard, for the first time.

All those years people would say to me "Oh, you'll change your mind." Think about something that you know about yourself. Just any old opinion that you've held consistently all your life. Like, let's say, you love strawberries. Or you love to read fiction. Or you feel strongly about the rights of the accused. Now imagine that any time the question arose -- and it wouldn't come up all that often, but it would come up every now and then -- and people were expressing their opinions and asking yours, whenever that happened and you said, "I love to read fiction" imagine if EVERY TIME that happened, someone said to you, "Oh, you'll change your mind about THAT as you get older."

Every time. I got to wondering at some point who I would be if I were a person who wanted children. I mean, it's not the only thing that defines my personality, but it is a part of me. Who would I be if that changed?

Having that experience repeated often over the course of years taught me a lot about respect and empowerment.

Thanks for listening.

Peace.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

  

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Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal. [View all] , Starchild, Thu Jul-13-00 11:16 AM
 
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RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Jul 13th 2000
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RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Starchild
Jul 13th 2000
2
damn skippy...
Kash2099
Jul 13th 2000
3
yup, plus this...
Gift
Jul 14th 2000
4
RE: yup, plus this...
Gift
Jul 14th 2000
5
Can't let it go!!!!
Starchild
Jul 22nd 2000
6
RE: Can't let it go!!!!
Spade
Jul 23rd 2000
7
      RE: Can't let it go!!!!
Starchild
Jul 23rd 2000
8
The reason you have...
Jul 24th 2000
9
RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
heptu
Jul 24th 2000
10
RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Fletch
Jul 24th 2000
11
      RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
heptu
Jul 24th 2000
12
           Motherhood
Jul 24th 2000
13
           RE: Motherhood
Fletch
Jul 24th 2000
15
           actually....
Jul 24th 2000
16
           Just asking...
Jul 25th 2000
29
                RE: Just asking...
Jul 25th 2000
33
                     Although this isn't scientific at all...
Jul 26th 2000
46
                          Granted
Jul 27th 2000
48
                               Interesting...
Jul 27th 2000
49
                                    Okay,
Jul 27th 2000
50
                                         Sorry, one more thought
Jul 27th 2000
51
                                              I feel you...
Jul 27th 2000
52
                                                  
           RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Fletch
Jul 24th 2000
14
                RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Jul 24th 2000
18
                     Let's be clear
Jul 24th 2000
19
                          RE: Let's be clear
Jul 24th 2000
20
                               RE: Let's be clear
Jul 24th 2000
21
                               Thank You All
Starchild
Jul 24th 2000
23
                               RE: Let's be clear
Jul 24th 2000
22
                                    RE: Let's be clear
Jul 24th 2000
24
                                    RE: Let's be clear
Jul 24th 2000
25
RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Jul 24th 2000
17
RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Fletch
Jul 25th 2000
26
      What?
Jul 25th 2000
28
      RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
heptu
Jul 25th 2000
30
           RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Fletch
Jul 25th 2000
31
           Sorry, damn return button
Fletch
Jul 25th 2000
32
                RE: Sorry, damn return button
Jul 25th 2000
35
                     RE: Sorry, damn return button
Fletch
Jul 25th 2000
38
           RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Jul 25th 2000
34
RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Shellypooh
Jul 25th 2000
27
RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Jul 25th 2000
36
RE: Men and Women need to start talking HONESTLY, so we can heal.
Jul 25th 2000
37
ISSUES
Starchild
Jul 25th 2000
39
thank you for the justification.
Jul 25th 2000
40
      RE: thank you for the justification.
heptu
Jul 25th 2000
41
Agreed, but...
Jul 25th 2000
42
RE:Chiken Heads...
Jul 25th 2000
43
Love that book... n/m
Jul 25th 2000
44
      RE: Love that book... n/m
Starchild
Jul 25th 2000
45
as the woman goes...
NiaRa
Jul 26th 2000
47

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