>I'll indulge you....

>
>>2. Someone said that Nas's career
>>has been over since "Illmatic."
>> The man has sold
>>2 mill with "It Was
>>Written", and "I Am..", around
>>1.3 with "Nastradamus", and "Stillmatic"
>>is in the Billboard's top
>>20, and has been there
>>since it's release. As
>>a matter of fact, "Illmatic"
>>JUST went platinum last YEAR!
>> He's not going anywhere.
>
>i think people refer to his
>"career being over" as his
>street cred. notice how
>with every succedding album, his
>street cred has dropped a
>little more every album.
>and granted i thought nas
>was/is one of the greatest...but

"Street cred" is never a reliable argument. Your "street" may be different from mines, besides...it's just stupid.
>
>
>>3. To the people that said
>>that Nas can take this
>>as a diss, congratulations..you are
>>among the reasonable ones.
>>It's not whether or not
>>The Roots MEANT this as
>>a diss, but it's how
>>it can be construed.
>>Alot of the best battles
>>in hip-hop history have come
>>off of misunderstandings. The
>>Roots may not have INTENDED
>>to make it come off
>>as a diss, but it
>>sure as hell looks like
>>it. So, they know
>>the rules of the game.
>
>personally i saw this coming when
>quest said they were working
>together, before it even came
>on tv. anyone that
>knows the roots or has
>seen them live knows that
>htey flip beats during a
>set. this was the
>perfect chance to show what
>they do eveyr night on
>stage. hell when they
>did concerto of a desperato,
>they flipped the street dreams
>beat...its tradition to flip nas/primo
>beats. the only difference
>was it was in the
>middle of a battle, and
>they alied themselves....

So you see my and Nas's point to be mad then.
>
>>4. Nas isn't a "real" emcee?
>> That's gotdamn retarted.
>>The man is arguably the
>>most rounded and gifted rapper
>>in hip-hop today, INCLUDING Black
>>Thought. Besides, he exhibited
>>he can can make disses
>>with the best of them,
>>(Ether)
>
>nas s a real emcee, but
>not a true battle emcee--before
>you scream ether, ask yourself.
> how? many battle ryhmes
>has mr jones written before
>this whole jay-z thing.
>other than small shots at
>mega, and innuendos at jay,
>what else....

What is a "battle" rhyme"? Isn't it basically saying "don't fuck with me?" If that's the case, then he's been doing that for a long time.
>

>
>listen to ALL of thoughts verses.
> clones for instance.
>listen AGAIN to the lyrics,
>would you want to be
>on the receiving end of
>that verse. 100% Dundee,
>Adreniline, Concerto of a Desperato...the
>list goes on
>

None of those verses are enough to make me think he'll "cruch" him in a diss battle. They're good, but they hold no weight.
>>6. Dice Raw?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>>That was funny....
>
>dice is ill, his album was
>just wack

I never said he was wack, I just said he aint' fuckin with Nas.
>

>
>?uest gave nas props, but he
>also said nas sold his
>soul for dollars (check his
>review of i am). now
>i heard all of nas's
>product, 'cept stillmatic. nas
>is ill, he can weave
>beatiful street tapistries, but battle.
> BATTLE....nigga pleeeaaase (c)
>sho-nuff
>
>as far as creativity, no one
>has touched dywm?!!!?!?!...bagpipes?! yup
>bagpipes?!!!
>
Umm, I asked who do you think is the better OVERALL emcee when I made this point. And I'm not talking about who is the better musical entity as a WHOLE. I'm asking who's better overall, Thought or Nas? I'll take Nas 100% of the time.
>>8. Why can't you all be
>>fans of both? I
>>like Jay, Nas, AND The
>>Roots, and that's not gonna
>>change. It's kinda ho-like
>>to call for fans to
>>not like Nas anymore just
>>because he says something about
>>The Roots. As a
>>matter of fact, it's bordering
>>on groupieism! What part
>>of the game is THIS??
>
>yeah happy for you, my illmatic
>is next to my resonable
>doubt, and in my lifetime.
> (i keep a special
>page for the roots though).
> i supported nas in
>the battle until i heard
>all of takeover. i
>was backing him when he
>did the original stillmatic, than
>i heard takeover and well.....it
>was true

"Negro puhlease"-Nas. Well I'll address "Takeover" being true ina minute.
>
>>9. How is "Ether" wack?
>
>ether is wack because took ONE
>verse to dismantle his ENTIRE
>CAREER. nas truned around
>and made THREE verses about
>Jay being gay and ugly?!!
> how does that add
>up. Takeover was better
>because it echoed what the
>streets have been saying for
>YEARS (remember the street cred
>thing). it didnt matter
>that it was jay saying
>it, though he made it
>witty as hell, somebody finally
>called nas on his bullshit.
> nas had been living
>on his lorrals for years
>behind illmatic, and somebody took
>him down.
>

Well, by your logic, Takeover is wack....because he dissed jay good in only a COUPLE OF BARS on 'Stillmatic' and it take Jay an ENTIER VERSE to do it. See how that makes no sense?

>ether WAS wack because when jay
>came with facts:
>
>-you havent had a good (quality,
>sales dont mean shit) album
>in years
>
>-oochie wally was your last song...shmea?!
>
>
>nas came with emotions and kiddy
>shit:
>
>-you're gay
>
>-get off bigs dick
>
>it just didnt add up.
>folks wanted nas to win
>'casue the track was cool,
>and the vibe was mean,
>but when you strip it
>down...the disses held no weight.
>

WHAT??! Either you weren't listening or you weren't listening. First of all, to say that all Jay came with are "facts" is ludicrous. The man tried to pass off OPINION as fact. That shit aint cool. I know people that think that "It Was Written" was better than "Illmatic", and that's their opinion. I also know people (including myself) that loved "I Am." It's stupid to expect Nas to make an "Illmatic" everytime he comes out, especially since the man has done so much AFTER that album, as far as concepts and great songs. By the way, I don't think Mr. Carter wants to stack albums up, song-by-song for quality. He'll look more like the idiot if he does that. Also, "to your bodyguard's verse being better than yours" is NOT FACT. In fact, that line should get the bitter beer face/gasface.

And Nas came with emotions? Guh? Like I said, you weren't listening. He said MUCH more than what you typed.

This is why "Ether" is a superior diss...

-Nas makes Jay-Z out to be an obsessed fan. It's no secret the man is a big Nas fan, so nas addressed him by calling him a "stan". He also said that he changed his style after hearing "Illmatic." This remains to be seen.

-He talks about how Jay has "been" on Biggie's dick. Say what you will, there's no denying that Biggie's lyrics have shown up in Jay's a NUMBER of times.

-He makes Jay come off as the student, while nas was the teacher. So, that's a herbing in itself.

-He lets people know that there was a time when he wasn't always this smooth guy that moved "keys". He was once an snot-nosed kid that used to get punked.
>
-He mentions how there's already an album called Blueprint (which is FACT).

-One of the BEST things he's did...was turn shrink on Jay..."You seemed to preoccupied with dissing women/were you abused as a child/scared to smile/they called you ugly?"...BTW, Jay HAS touched upon this in a song or two ("Song Cry"). He actually called Jay out on his misogynistic ways, by pointing out his insecurities...BRILLIANT!!!!

-Then he turns around the next bar and tells him to love him as a brother (hug me don't disrespect me). He lets Jay-Z know that after all of this, you're still my brother, and I love you man. kill with kindness, which is strapped to a bomb.

-He also did it in a vicious, and witty way....by mocking him in the chorus, and changing the words to the Takeover chorus near the end of the song. By calling Jay ugly all the times that he did it, actually drove Jay's insecurities home more. This was to get under his skin.

I love both songs, but don't get it twisted when you talk about Ether slim.

BTW, who cares if a diss is 100% fact? Look at Kool Moe Dee vs. LL, Krs vs. everydamnbody. Fact is only ONE factor in determining a great diss song.

*shrugs*