https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioRC9FTB2Jg

"Ya so quick to defend white folks that you're not listening"
lmao

I swear I don't agree with all of Umar's actions
or even all of his views, but he mopped the floor
with them.

The panelist on the left was the only one talking
with any level of maturity and sense. He was also
keeping it 100% real with what he said, especially
since I keep seeing women saying stuff like "let
the white women they love so much come to their
defense!" Here's a brother strongly advocating
Black unity, but he's the one they hate? Lol.
This definitely gives power to the notion that
equality is really only about interracial sex
to alotta people. How you got a child psychologist
who specializes in addressing the mistreatment
of Black boys on your show, but all you wanna
talk about is an interracial dating comment?
This is "Black media"?? This is a complete damn shame.

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talking CRAZY about his own people -- I mean...

I'll comment on it if you want me to.

I'll even give you the courtesy of being on
topic. Can I get the same courtesy, sir?

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panel was a mess. I still in the end agree with Public Enemy

Black Man White Woman Black baby
White man black woman black baby
black man black woman black baby

how else in the fuck do people think how whites are projected to be a minority by the year 2050???

in the USA the numbers were due to immigration of early 20th century.

And all of it ain't due to mixing.

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>in the USA the numbers were due to immigration of early 20th
>century.
>
>And all of it ain't due to mixing.

Word, white folks started immigrating more
whites after Haiti showed them in 1791 that
black folks would rise up... then you
have them killing us off with impunity since
the end of slavery. I say that to say they
already know they'd be an American minority
if they didn't deliberately make sure they weren't.

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many of the southern states were close to 40% if not more Black.

The infertility rates are alarming so much so they put out in popular media how 11 states have a negative birth rate.

The UK and several European countries have the same problem and their reaction has been uniform aka increased physical hostility.

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this makes the case for Apartheid coming back in the USA hard.

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the lower their numbers get, the more violent
they will become.

And while dudes out here thinking it's some
revolutionary act to sleep with white folks,
are they prepared for more Dylann Roof's?
Since he said he killed those folks, because
Black men are sleeping with white women.
He even called the white women "victims."
That KKK mentality never left.

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somebody wrote that in a book I read somewhere and what God loves the devil hates

A dying mule kicks the hardest but it's still going to die

It should be abundantly clear to you by now
that I find biblical references to Black issues
very counter-productive for the most part.
It's fine if you insist on believing in it, but I don't.
All that "somebody wrote that in a book" stuff
in reference to the bible is completely impotent
where I'm concerned.

If you simply aim to reiterate your addiction
to non-Black women, you've already established it.

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or you know not take the words literally an see them in a similar light to the mule idiom. I have a question

Which black person is more liberated?

The one that marries a black person but clings to the illogical and intrinsically unbalanced construct of race as a lens through which to view themselves -- ultimately passing this same flawed self view to their children

or

the black person who marries a non black person and rejects the intrinsic identify as the lesser in the afore mentioned construct

Within the construct of race the offspring of a black non black union is still black and takes away from nothing so far as black empowerment is concerned.

On the point of black empowerment the only way such a thing can really be achieved is through building wealth within most black communities, developing education within most black communities, and or dismantling the construct of race through violent or non violent means. Marriages between people of different skin tones and or cultural backgrounds (i.e. race) has little bearing on any of those.

The results Dr. Umar envisions stemming from black only marriages could be equally obtained by raising black children that become adults who value marriage and commit to it. In other better black parents (more of them) can net the same results IMO.

>On the point of black empowerment the only way such a thing
>can really be achieved is through building wealth within most
>black communities, developing education within most black
>communities, and or dismantling the construct of race through
>violent or non violent means. Marriages between people of
>different skin tones and or cultural backgrounds (i.e. race)
>has little bearing on any of those.
>
>The results Dr. Umar envisions stemming from black only
>marriages could be equally obtained by raising black children
>that become adults who value marriage and commit to it. In
>other better black parents (more of them) can net the same
>results IMO.

So I found the comment useless.
I also don't believe the symbolic mule is dying UNLESS we get on the ball. We are at a crossroads, where we're either looking at the last leg of white supremacy or the institution of it for the next 500 years. The white minority is making some pretty strong moves to set themselves up to continue as a ruling minority for a long time to come. We, as a people, are doing absolutely nothing to counter it, so it looks grim imo.

I find the way you posed the race question to be tricky. I'll explain why:
First the simple part... on one level, one passes on an inferiority complex and the other doesn't. Of course it's preferable if no inferiority complex is passed on.
HOWEVER, you tied the inferiority complex to "clinging to the construct of race." You said that as if we simply leave race behind by refusing to acknowledge it as individuals. I find that to be incredibly naive if that's indeed what you're suggesting, since the system in which we live operates based on it, even if we don't believe in it. I realize it's a social construct and how it came to be in America. But no one's gonna get a racist mob or cop off their case by raising the point that race is a social construct, for instance.
As for the children, while you can be screwed up with any race of parents, and there are biracial people with a decent handle of racial matters, I don't know of any single more confusing parental situation than having a Black parent and one racist white parent. It's one of the best ways to confuse a Black person and make sure they never have full loyalty to Black people, and white people realize this. I also feel that white people who are intimate with non-white people are possibly the most racist of them all, so you might be trying to push this idea to the wrong person.

You also continue to assert that the child of a union involving a Black person is still Black. You even said this in response to the video even though Umar ALSO says this in the video. This is not the reason Umar gave for not advocating interracial dating. Though my reasoning is different and more elaborate than Umar's, it's not my reasoning either.

Your ideas on how to achieve Black empowerment are simply ideas, but until it's fully achieved, I don't pretend to know all the answers, so I can neither confirm nor deny them. I just know what I think will work. What I can comment on is whether or not interracial dating has any bearing on them. I think of it this way... if every Black person in America is obsessed with having lighter children than themselves, we'll disappear in a couple of generations, as our population in America fits into the the white population 5 times plus. I pose that extreme only because we're the only people who even TOLERATE this idea that it's "hate speech" or extremism to date within our own race. We're also the only people who get accused such things for dating intra-racially. It's also not lost on me that everything you're saying is only in defense of your addiction to non-Black women. This is the Umar segment all over again. Children of interracial unions aren't always Black either. Slash, Rashida Jones, Troian Bellisario, Wentworth Miller, etc. The rapper Logic doesn't even use the nigga word, because he realizes he's socially accepted as white... so this notion that the children of Black/white unions are always Black isn't even true.

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Are "black" inside the system of white supremacy (as are we) is what I stated. I agree with Neely Fuller Jr that in reality it just breaks down to white and not white as far as how the system views people not of mostly European backgrounds. Regarding Logic I don't know what white people view him as but as Fuller states it's that culture which defines who is white and who is not. If 6 out of 10 whites say Logic is not white -- he's not white within their system.

Bringing me to the point about how non-whites of African descent view themselves; in combination with education Americans of colonial African descent can certainly define themselves as something outside of what the SOWS defines them. With more education centered in black communities focused on the unique background of African descended Americans self empowerment can be achieved and personal non adherence to the false paradigms of race can be successfully implemented (imo). This is a form of distancing from a toxic and IMO restrictive construct. How white people view non whites of African descent is something we can't control but we can control how we model ourselves in relation to that view. Simply stated we African descended Americans do not have to adhere so earnestly to the images we allow whites to foist onto us -- we can control our own narrative and this can be done through intense community based education similar to Asian communities, Jewish communities, polish communities etc. It takes investing in our people and communities to help foster this kind of environment and also build and generate wealth.

I noticed you focus much on the dynamic between whites and non whites of African descent but in my reply I believe I kept it general meaning that it doesn't matter what the culture and skin tone of the non African Descended individual is the result will more times than not be an African Descended individual. This can be with Asians, Europeans, Indians, etc

The problem with the culture mixing between African descended Americans and non is one of value. If we increase the actual and perceived value of the African descnded American we increase the quality of the unions between such individuals. I believe a child of mixed cultures who values their African descended parent will or is likely to seek out African descended partners. Americans of African descent that choose mates counter to their culture have chosen poorly, selfishly, or both but there are certainly non African cultured individuals who are not antagonistic towards the culture who are chosen as well.

The picture is not rosey but worth the average empire lasting 300 years (America not far from that) and the longest being 500 odds are whatever plans the white majority have will not come to fruition so the dying mule will die -- we just need to keep our distance and not get kicked.

>Are "black" inside the system of white supremacy (as are we)
>is what I stated.

Like I said, that's not always true.

>I agree with Neely Fuller Jr that in reality
>it just breaks down to white and not white as far as how the
>system views people not of mostly European backgrounds.


I agree with him to some extent, but I also think
there are levels to it. I also agree with Frances
Cress Welsing that Black men pose the biggest threat
to their genetic annihilation... hence our disproportionate
victimization. And because of that victimization, we tend
to have more "radical" views in our opposition to the
system. The fact that race was created and is exercised
in hierarchical terms corroborates this view.


>Regarding Logic I don't know what white people view him as but
>as Fuller states it's that culture which defines who is white
>and who is not. If 6 out of 10 whites say Logic is not white
>-- he's not white within their system.


Show those white people this picture:
https://goodblacknews.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/rashida-jones.jpg

Then show them a pic of Kelly Rowland and then ask them
which one is the white woman.


>Bringing me to the point about how non-whites of African
>descent view themselves; in combination with education
>Americans of colonial African descent can certainly define
>themselves as something outside of what the SOWS defines them.
>With more education centered in black communities focused on
>the unique background of African descended Americans self
>empowerment can be achieved and personal non adherence to the
>false paradigms of race can be successfully implemented (imo).
>This is a form of distancing from a toxic and IMO restrictive
>construct. How white people view non whites of African
>descent is something we can't control but we can control how
>we model ourselves in relation to that view. Simply stated we
>African descended Americans do not have to adhere so earnestly
>to the images we allow whites to foist onto us -- we can
>control our own narrative and this can be done through intense
>community based education similar to Asian communities, Jewish
>communities, polish communities etc. It takes investing in our
>people and communities to help foster this kind of environment
>and also build and generate wealth.


This is pretty much respectability politics... something
I'm not completely against, and I've never disagreed
that we don't have to view ourselves the way white ppl do.
I'm saying that the way we view ourselves isn't going to
stop the system from viewing us the way it wants to view
us, and excellence among ourselves isn't going to dismantle
the system. If anything, it will intensify it. This is
how the system reacts to Black progress. Asian and Jewish
communities have a very different existence from Black
descendants of slaves in America. VERY different, and
I don't think it's a very constructive plan to compare
our journey to theirs as if they've provided us a blueprint.
Yes, we should educate ourselves, but "false paradigms" of
race don't disappear unless the system is dismantled, and
that's not happening just because we engage in Black excellence
in my estimation.
If you disagree, it'll be most productive if we just
agree to disagree at this point.



>The problem with the culture mixing between African descended
>Americans and non is one of value. If we increase the actual
>and perceived value of the African descnded American we
>increase the quality of the unions between such individuals. I
>believe a child of mixed cultures who values their African
>descended parent will or is likely to seek out African
>descended partners. Americans of African descent that choose
>mates counter to their culture have chosen poorly, selfishly,
>or both but there are certainly non African cultured
>individuals who are not antagonistic towards the culture who
>are chosen as well.


I disagree with that as well. First, value is decided
by the dominant culture and that's currently white
culture. Sure we can and should value ourselves. I don't
think anyone would disagree with that. But this is much
more of systemic issue than an individual one and the
system is not conceding any value to Black people
without a very intense fight. I see biracial kids dating
all the time, and I don't think I've ever seen any
with anything other than white partners where I am (the south).
That last bit is just my personal experience tho.


>The picture is not rosey but worth the average empire lasting
>300 years (America not far from that) and the longest being
>500 odds are whatever plans the white majority have will not
>come to fruition so the dying mule will die -- we just need to
>keep our distance and not get kicked.

I'm not psychic, nor do I claim to know all, but
I'd not count on that being something we can be
passive about.

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Isn't entirely productive. I don't think any real good comes either way. I guess I was speaking from the perspective of whites as they tend to adhere to race as a real thing more than others since their way of life depends on it.

>>I agree with Neely Fuller Jr that in reality
>>it just breaks down to white and not white as far as how the
>>system views people not of mostly European backgrounds.

>I agree with him to some extent, but I also think
>there are levels to it. I also agree with Frances
>Cress Welsing that Black men pose the biggest threat
>to their genetic annihilation... hence our disproportionate
>victimization.

Inside of America I would agree, but beyond that I tend to think that statement is exaggerated. People who could identify as white have been around for a long time and I don't think in a global sense there is this fear of black masses crossing the mediterranean to take the land and blot out the people.

And because of that victimization, we tend
>to have more "radical" views in our opposition to the
>system. The fact that race was created and is exercised
>in hierarchical terms corroborates this view.

Sure, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

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>>Regarding Logic I don't know what white people view him as
>but
>>as Fuller states it's that culture which defines who is
>white
>>and who is not. If 6 out of 10 whites say Logic is not white
>>-- he's not white within their system.
>
>
>Show those white people this picture:
>https://goodblacknews.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/rashida-jones.jpg
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>Then show them a pic of Kelly Rowland and then ask them
>which one is the white woman.

That would make for an interesting test, but I think you understand what I'm saying. There is a reason why people like Rachida in the past would hide their heritage. To the white people that value 100% European ancestry they will find out or try their hardest to and if and when they do find out it's curtains. For example Logic no matter how successful or how white he looks isn't marrying into Jeff Sessions or Mitch O'Connells family.

>
>
>This is pretty much respectability politics... something
>I'm not completely against, and I've never disagreed
>that we don't have to view ourselves the way white ppl do.

I'm sorry you see it that way. The truth is there has been much damage done to our culture and it's in need of repair. White people are not going to fix that as their systems are responsible for much of that damage. You can take the African American element out the equation entirely and you would still have a system that perpetuated lasting cultural damage and continues to do as such against X group of people.

>I'm saying that the way we view ourselves isn't going to
>stop the system from viewing us the way it wants to view
>us, and excellence among ourselves isn't going to dismantle
>the system.

I'm not focusing on dismantling the system I'm more so focusing on building black people educated and fiscally savvy enough to exist apart from it. Perhaps out of that an organization could arise that could in someway dismantle the system but regardless it would take white people (or passing whites) and blacks working together and sustaining a very long term plan. I think it more effective to simply focus on building communities that can separate or distance from the negative aspects of the majority culture

If anything, it will intensify it. This is
>how the system reacts to Black progress. Asian and Jewish
>communities have a very different existence from Black
>descendants of slaves in America. VERY different, and
>I don't think it's a very constructive plan to compare
>our journey to theirs as if they've provided us a blueprint.

Again I am sorry that you read educate black people and build wealth as some sort of delusion. These are tools that were taken from our group how you can argue against regaining them because of the fallout of such is unfortunate. In Africa people are doing the same thing. I use those example because they work,. So what if white people try to attack it? Plan accordingly. It sounds like there is some kind of fear of reprisal you are typing about but again so what if thats the case. No group of people can not be outsmarted. Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much in this case.


>Yes, we should educate ourselves, but "false paradigms" of
>race don't disappear unless the system is dismantled, and
>that's not happening just because we engage in Black
>excellence
>in my estimation.
>If you disagree, it'll be most productive if we just
>agree to disagree at this point.

That is fine, but dismantling race is not really the entirety of what I was getting at, but now I understand from my initial statement why you may think that was the crux of my argument.


>>The problem with the culture mixing between African
>descended
>>Americans and non is one of value. If we increase the actual
>>and perceived value of the African descnded American we
>>increase the quality of the unions between such individuals.
>I
>>believe a child of mixed cultures who values their African
>>descended parent will or is likely to seek out African
>>descended partners. Americans of African descent that choose
>>mates counter to their culture have chosen poorly,
>selfishly,
>>or both but there are certainly non African cultured
>>individuals who are not antagonistic towards the culture who
>>are chosen as well.
>
>
>I disagree with that as well. First, value is decided
>by the dominant culture and that's currently white
>culture.

This is true, but it is also true that white people are not a monolith and I'm making the argument that the more truth one can display in their daily life will resonate with those that value truth and aid in dispelling the lies that the SOWS propagates. Here I would certainly agree that it is not enough to stop anything regarding racism but it can diminish it's potency to some extent.

Sure we can and should value ourselves. I don't
>think anyone would disagree with that. But this is much
>more of systemic issue than an individual one and the
>system is not conceding any value to Black people
>without a very intense fight.

agreed

I see biracial kids dating
>all the time, and I don't think I've ever seen any
>with anything other than white partners where I am (the
>south).
>That last bit is just my personal experience tho.

Fair. I think this story is still being written so we will have to wait. I do myself worry that we may just end up with another color caste similar to the DR but it doesn't have to be that way either.


>>The picture is not rosy but with the average empire
>lasting
>>300 years (America not far from that) and the longest being
>>500 odds are whatever plans the white majority have will not
>>come to fruition so the dying mule will die -- we just need
>to
>>keep our distance and not get kicked.
>
>I'm not psychic, nor do I claim to know all, but
>I'd not count on that being something we can be
>passive about.

Agree, but I don't believe passivity is what I'm promoting

Good discourse Boogie, I will hand off final comments to you.

>Inside of America I would agree, but beyond that I tend to
>think that statement is exaggerated. People who could identify
>as white have been around for a long time and I don't think in
>a global sense there is this fear of black masses crossing the
>mediterranean to take the land and blot out the people.


We both live in America, so that's what I'm talking about,
mainly. However "fear of genetic annihilation" doesn't refer to
Black people crossing seas to take land and blot out people.
It does, however, provide some thought-provoking explanation
for why white folks have historically done just that and killed
whole groups of people off.



>And because of that victimization, we tend
>>to have more "radical" views in our opposition to the
>>system. The fact that race was created and is exercised
>>in hierarchical terms corroborates this view.
>
>Sure, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.
>


I have no idea why you responded that way.
Please be specific in the future instead of
speaking in parables, as I've found your use
of them misplaced in this conversation twice due
to different views on the application of said parables.



>That would make for an interesting test, but I think you
>understand what I'm saying. There is a reason why people like
>Rachida in the past would hide their heritage.



That's the past. We live in 2017. The "save white
people" crowd is desperate enough to accept Rashida.



>>This is pretty much respectability politics... something
>>I'm not completely against, and I've never disagreed
>>that we don't have to view ourselves the way white ppl do.
>
>I'm sorry you see it that way. The truth is there has been
>much damage done to our culture and it's in need of repair.
>White people are not going to fix that as their systems are
>responsible for much of that damage. You can take the African
>American element out the equation entirely and you would still
>have a system that perpetuated lasting cultural damage and
>continues to do as such against X group of people.



I said absolutely nothing about white people fixing
anything, and am unsure as to how you arrived at
that conclusion.




>>I'm saying that the way we view ourselves isn't going to
>>stop the system from viewing us the way it wants to view
>>us, and excellence among ourselves isn't going to dismantle
>>the system.
>
>I'm not focusing on dismantling the system I'm more so
>focusing on building black people educated and fiscally savvy
>enough to exist apart from it. Perhaps out of that an
>organization could arise that could in someway dismantle the
>system but regardless it would take white people (or passing
>whites) and blacks working together and sustaining a very long
>term plan. I think it more effective to simply focus on
>building communities that can separate or distance from the
>negative aspects of the majority culture



I don't disagree with us building among ourselves.
I've said that both here and in the past on the
boards tho.



>If anything, it will intensify it. This is
>>how the system reacts to Black progress. Asian and Jewish
>>communities have a very different existence from Black
>>descendants of slaves in America. VERY different, and
>>I don't think it's a very constructive plan to compare
>>our journey to theirs as if they've provided us a blueprint.
>
>Again I am sorry that you read educate black people and build
>wealth as some sort of delusion.



I have to cut in right here. I said nothing about it
being "some sort of delusion." Sir, you fabricated
this alternative fact, lol.




>These are tools that were
>taken from our group how you can argue against regaining them
>because of the fallout of such is unfortunate. In Africa
>people are doing the same thing. I use those example because
>they work,. So what if white people try to attack it? Plan
>accordingly. It sounds like there is some kind of fear of
>reprisal you are typing about but again so what if thats the
>case. No group of people can not be outsmarted. Methinks the
>gentleman doth protest too much in this case.



I also said nothing about fear that white people would
attack it (although that's not a fear, just a reality, and I
wholeheartedly believe that we should plan for it).
If you're unclear about something I'm saying, please do
feel free to ask me what I mean instead of assuming.
Our road to freedom and equality is different from those
other groups for a plethora of reasons... not the least
of which is Jews got reparations.




>This is true, but it is also true that white people are not a
>monolith and I'm making the argument that the more truth one
>can display in their daily life will resonate with those that
>value truth and aid in dispelling the lies that the SOWS
>propagates. Here I would certainly agree that it is not enough
>to stop anything regarding racism but it can diminish it's
>potency to some extent.



Lol. I was gonna ask you why you even bother to
argue with denny. Now I see why.
Good luck.




>Fair. I think this story is still being written so we will
>have to wait. I do myself worry that we may just end up with
>another color caste similar to the DR but it doesn't have to
>be that way either.


We definitely will if we think sleeping with non-Black
people is any part of the revolution. You mentioned
Neely Fuller who consistently says "replace the system
of white supremacy with a system of justice as soon as
possible." If we don't replace the system, it's just
more injustice based on something else.



>>>The picture is not rosy but with the average empire
>>lasting
>>>300 years (America not far from that) and the longest being
>>>500 odds are whatever plans the white majority have will
>not
>>>come to fruition so the dying mule will die -- we just need
>>to
>>>keep our distance and not get kicked.
>>
>>I'm not psychic, nor do I claim to know all, but
>>I'd not count on that being something we can be
>>passive about.
>
>Agree, but I don't believe passivity is what I'm promoting
>


I don't have much to add. We have some fundamental
disagreements, but we do both agree that Black people
should strengthen our economic base and education.
I say we focus on those, as I don't see how anyone
could disagree with either.

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Wouldn't let Umar finish after they asked him something.

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>Wouldn't let Umar finish after they asked him something.

Yeah I don't think they ever intended to.
There's alotta commentary out there about it
calling it an ambush, because that exactly
what it was. It's hilarious because it
still didn't work lol.
Jason Black's commentary on it was priceless.

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>Yeah I don't think they ever intended to.
>There's alotta commentary out there about it
>calling it an ambush, because that exactly
>what it was. It's hilarious because it
>still didn't work lol.
>Jason Black's commentary on it was priceless.
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skate is crazy

And I don't even like Umar Johnson

what's the point?

opposing sides yell at one another and race for a "gotcha moment" and nothing substantive changes

what is even the goal, so that you could determine if you are any closer to a resolution?

martin got his questions answered....so i guess that's something, but the panel part? just more of the same talking heads talking (loudly)

are we (the observers) so desirous to declare a winner because someone got owned/slayed/served/destroyed/whatever that we will subject ourselves to the equivalent of a poop-throwing-battle in a zoo cage, without considering to what end?

i would love to have an actual discussion about the *ideas* of the seemingly opposing sides, but i wonder in the midst of this *loudest/snarkiest voice gets the attention* culture if that is even possible.

As they decided what issues would be addressed.
There really seemed to be no point other than
questioning his credentials and Douglas tie
(for the millionth time) and talking about
interracial dating, because some negros are
hooked on white and non-black sex.

I personally just think it's funny that they
tried to ambush the brother and it backfired.
As I stated though, it's a complete shame
that this passes for "Black media" in anyone's mind.

I've said on here before that we have NO mainstream
Black media... just Black people who speak white
talking points. If this doesn't prove that to ppl,
I'm afraid of what it'll take.


>what's the point?
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>opposing sides yell at one another and race for a "gotcha
>moment" and nothing substantive changes
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>what is even the goal, so that you could determine if you are
>any closer to a resolution?
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>martin got his questions answered....so i guess that's
>something, but the panel part? just more of the same talking
>heads talking (loudly)
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>are we (the observers) so desirous to declare a winner because
>someone got owned/slayed/served/destroyed/whatever that we
>will subject ourselves to the equivalent of a
>poop-throwing-battle in a zoo cage, without considering to
>what end?
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>i would love to have an actual discussion about the *ideas* of
>the seemingly opposing sides, but i wonder in the midst of
>this *loudest/snarkiest voice gets the attention* culture if
>that is even possible.
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... a point, that is

i was thrown off the bat when the basis for the questioning seemed to be "black twitter is commenting about this so..."

THAT, is enough to show where we are journalistically, relative to who and what is driving the narrative is discourse

s'pretty sad

>i was thrown off the bat when the basis for the questioning
>seemed to be "black twitter is commenting about this so..."
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>THAT, is enough to show where we are journalistically,
>relative to who and what is driving the narrative is
>discourse
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>s'pretty sad


Twitter being their source is INDEED quite pathetic.

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they aint in it to help the community

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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

It gets addressed here... very thoroughly.

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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

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Just was totally unprofessional and I have lost a lil bit of respect for Martin after this segment.
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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

>Just was totally unprofessional and I have lost a lil bit of
>respect for Martin after this segment.

Word. I can't say I was a fan anyway, especially
after his shuckin and jivin for Hillary Clinton
and some of the other panels he's had on his show.

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man...i got to talk to my wife about a divorce so i can get back to my african roots

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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

Umar certainly handed them their asses on a platter.

Roland clearly hand an agenda to try and embarrass Umar and it showed.

Why he brought the two boot licking negros to counter act Umar is so confusing to me for someone who is self proclaimed progressive as Roland says he is.

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...Martin and them clearly had an agenda here.

I'm no fan of Dr. Umar, but he handled himself well considering

As soon as I saw Umar was going to be on the show, I already knew what would happen. Sure he has a lot you can give him shit for, but the things he was talking about on that clip isn't really up for debate.

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This is the equivalent of TRex "randomly" choosing an opponent and dropping three personals in the first eight bars.

It's hard for me to side with Umar because he thinks Homosexuality is a government conspiracy designed to destroy the black family. It's even harder to side with the guy that doesn't respect black men in interracial relationships.

Umar knew this was an ambush during the first part where Roland tried to coax Umar into exploring his controversial stances. Umar shouldn't been on this show in the first place.

>It's hard for me to side with Umar because he thinks
>Homosexuality is a government conspiracy designed to destroy
>the black family.


He's never said that.
I know what he actually does believe about
homosexuality, so I'll give you a chance to
clear that up before I just consider you a
blatant liar. Maybe that's a really elaborate
typo on your part.


>It's even harder to side with the guy that
>doesn't respect black men in interracial relationships.


Oh we know interracial sex is your lifeblood.
Trust me, you've made it very clear.

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>>It's hard for me to side with Umar because he thinks
>>Homosexuality is a government conspiracy designed to destroy
>>the black family.
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>He's never said that.
>I know what he actually does believe about
>homosexuality, so I'll give you a chance to
>clear that up before I just consider you a
>blatant liar. Maybe that's a really elaborate
>typo on your part.

He's all but said it twice:

Once during his first breakfast club interview and another clip where he's speaking to an LGBTIA activist during one of his town halls.

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his approach or beliefs on a variety of issues (ex:the unnecessary gay bashing, his views on education and ADHD, etc). however, the folks on that panel were not equipped or qualified to debate him. at least that's how it came off. i dunno who they thought they were dealing with, but you're not gonna out talk a talker. def not out-slick talk a slick talker lol. he came prepared, they didnt.

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out of all things to challenge Umar on, this is what you choose?

>out of all things to challenge Umar on, this is what you
>choose?

Right. Out of all the things you can talk to Umar
about PERIOD as Black people, they choose show
their white masters that they'll get that nigger
for them.

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gotta go

callin dude a Coon was fitting...I mean he is a republican lol

I can't stand Roland Martin


but yeah...Umar is right more often than he is wrong

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Coolin...

Roland Martin said "some people said" you're not a descendant of Douglas, but then in his very own quote from the family, THEY even said he never claimed to be a descendant of Douglas.

Also, the woman on the panel is clearly auditioning for a white man, because she names all these supposed anti-racist white men but never names any white women. She even names Tim Wise's unforgivably racist behind (thou shalt never come for Frances Cress Welsing). Plus dude admitted to being racist, foh. He's a clear example to me of why these alleged anti-racist white people are some of the most dangerous ones.

Martin and Panel were hinting at calling it extremism for Black people to only date Black people. That is something no Black people should tolerate from a "news" organization that pretends to be for Black people.

Roland Martin punked out when the blatant white supremacist Richard Spencer was on and wouldn't even refer to himself as a Black man when Spencer asked him if he was Black, but he straight up attacks a Black man who says saving Black people starts with the Black family.

Props to Jason Black for the random broadcast
he did about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPZrAJ8aKE

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>Roland Martin punked out when the blatant white supremacist
>Richard Spencer was on and wouldn't even refer to himself as a
>Black man when Spencer asked him if he was Black, but he
>straight up attacks a Black man who says saving Black people
>starts with the Black family.
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i knew roland had happy feet but not like that.

<--- Big Baller World Order

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr5BQS79H7g

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