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"Roland Martin & panel got their jheri curls handed to them by Umar"


  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioRC9FTB2Jg

"Ya so quick to defend white folks that you're not listening"
lmao

I swear I don't agree with all of Umar's actions
or even all of his views, but he mopped the floor
with them.

The panelist on the left was the only one talking
with any level of maturity and sense. He was also
keeping it 100% real with what he said, especially
since I keep seeing women saying stuff like "let
the white women they love so much come to their
defense!" Here's a brother strongly advocating
Black unity, but he's the one they hate? Lol.
This definitely gives power to the notion that
equality is really only about interracial sex
to alotta people. How you got a child psychologist
who specializes in addressing the mistreatment
of Black boys on your show, but all you wanna
talk about is an interracial dating comment?
This is "Black media"?? This is a complete damn shame.

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Umar though? I can't hear him out anymore
Jul 11th 2017
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Then you're in the wrong post, b/c he's in the clip.
Jul 11th 2017
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      lol
Jul 11th 2017
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      What he really about? he was dissing brothers with light skin
Jul 11th 2017
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           You can make a post about that if you wanna talk about it.
Jul 11th 2017
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                I'm listening, but only cuz I don't like this other dudes hair
Jul 11th 2017
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                     *thumbs up*
Jul 11th 2017
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                          Umar and dude on the left had the best replies / points
Jul 11th 2017
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                               in reality....
Jul 11th 2017
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                                    White folks have been global minority
Jul 11th 2017
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                                         Not to mention declining birth rates.
Jul 11th 2017
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                                              Yessir
Jul 11th 2017
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                                                   Damn...
Jul 11th 2017
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                                                        True
Jul 11th 2017
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                                                        Like Gus T. Renegade said...
Jul 12th 2017
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                                                             I have loved Jacob; but I have hated Esau
Jul 12th 2017
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                                                             Your reply to me here is rather useless.
Jul 12th 2017
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                                                                  well there was the dying mule part -- could have focused on that
Jul 12th 2017
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                                                                       my man.
Jul 13th 2017
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                                                                       I asked if people were ready to deal with the "dying mule"
Jul 13th 2017
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                                                                            The children of people with different skin tones and cultural background...
Jul 13th 2017
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                                                                                 RE: The children of people with different skin tones and cultural backgr...
Jul 13th 2017
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                                                                                      arguing what is T/F in relation to something fundamentally F
Jul 13th 2017
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                                                                                      Cool
Jul 13th 2017
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                                                             I agree....it's blatantly obvious
Jul 12th 2017
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                                                             absolutely
Jul 12th 2017
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That was too short
Jul 11th 2017
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RE: That was too short
Jul 11th 2017
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      I knew it was something
Jul 11th 2017
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           Exactly
Jul 11th 2017
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           yeah, the fact that they went that hard on dude and let Spencer
Jul 11th 2017
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comment: so i watched all of it and am left wondering
Jul 11th 2017
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You have to ask TV One an Roland Martin
Jul 11th 2017
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i was thinking more whether anyone else who watched saw one
Jul 11th 2017
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      So true
Jul 11th 2017
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the point is they all get a check
Jul 11th 2017
25
WOW! Umar Johnson lit Roland Martin and his Team up with that BASE!
Jul 11th 2017
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For those always saying he's lying about the Frederick Douglas tie
Jul 11th 2017
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I had to watch this twice and it was more lit the 2nd time... LOL
Jul 11th 2017
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lmao
Jul 11th 2017
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      Martin failed because he came across as an instigator not an interviewer...
Jul 11th 2017
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           Yeah it was like a Wendy Williams segment or something
Jul 11th 2017
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daily reminder of my interacial marriage taking away from my blackness
Jul 11th 2017
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im glad you learned your lesson
Jul 13th 2017
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Reminds me a lot of this messageboard
Jul 11th 2017
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I feel bad for watching this and giving it numbers...
Jul 11th 2017
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Rolan Martin is a jigaboo too, went as I expected
Jul 11th 2017
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Umar won!
Jul 11th 2017
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In Total Slaughter terms
Jul 11th 2017
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You gonna stick with that lie?
Jul 12th 2017
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      Homosexuality is a mental condition (c) Umar Johnson
Jul 13th 2017
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           Thanks for correcting yourself
Jul 13th 2017
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aw man, not my hero Roland Martin!
Jul 11th 2017
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i disagree with Umar on a lot things and generally don't rock w/
Jul 11th 2017
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RE: Roland Martin & panel got their jheri curls handed to them by Um...
Jul 11th 2017
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Didn't know there were some Umar....
Jul 11th 2017
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Me neither! LOL!
Jul 11th 2017
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how did y'all miss that?
Jul 11th 2017
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all i see are three niggas defending their right to date yt women
Jul 11th 2017
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I'm sayin, that's ALL these people are fighting for
Jul 12th 2017
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      😂😂😂😂😂
Jul 12th 2017
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fuck all these niggas. *mic drop*
Jul 11th 2017
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I ain't the biggest Umar fan but exhibit B of how these old niggas
Jul 12th 2017
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Some interesting things.
Jul 12th 2017
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wait you got a clip of this
Jul 12th 2017
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      Yep. The part I referenced starts at 7:40
Jul 12th 2017
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           wow that's cringey as fuck.
Jul 13th 2017
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                Word
Jul 13th 2017
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Dr. Poomar "The Scammer" Ittapupu.
Jul 12th 2017
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So what'd you think of the segment?
Jul 12th 2017
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      it was a bunch of bullshit.
Jul 13th 2017
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           ^^^what he said
Jul 13th 2017
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           Oh ok. Two questions for you...
Jul 13th 2017
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                answers:
Jul 17th 2017
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                     RE: answers:
Jul 17th 2017
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As a corporate moderate brother...
Jul 12th 2017
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i dont bang w/ umar like that. but he right more often than not
Jul 12th 2017
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This made Dr. Umar look like a serious leader,
Jul 12th 2017
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U gotta be a xxtra strength level hankyhead when umar is the logical one
Jul 12th 2017
60
Yeah Umar did that
Jul 12th 2017
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I was surprised at how well he came across n/m
Jul 12th 2017
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i forgot niggas like that black republican existed
Jul 12th 2017
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psssht roland aint finna lose no sponsors trippin' off umar.
Jul 12th 2017
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Disgusting.
Jul 12th 2017
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and to jog anyone's memory...
Jul 12th 2017
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where was this data gathered? Canada or the US
Jul 12th 2017
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      For example:
Jul 12th 2017
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           So far I see three white men looking for something they don't know
Jul 13th 2017
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Leave it to the white guy craving interracial sex to say this...
Jul 13th 2017
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That was not very nice.
Jul 13th 2017
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no one cares how you feel about black issues
Jul 13th 2017
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Mad respect
Jul 13th 2017
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thats an awfully thick blanket youre laying down
Jul 14th 2017
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      split all the hairs you need to
Jul 17th 2017
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lol mind your white business fam.
Jul 13th 2017
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it's wrestling at this point, he's an entertaining character
Jul 13th 2017
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The same could be said for those attacking him tho, depending...
Jul 13th 2017
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Lol and Roland Martin dancing for Hilary ain't
Jul 13th 2017
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I dont pay attention to politics at all
Jul 13th 2017
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      Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiid....
Jul 13th 2017
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Umar talkin loud and sayin nothing as usual
Jul 13th 2017
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Dr. Umar Johnson >>>>>>>>>> Frederick Douglas
Jul 13th 2017
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Umar is basically barbershop tinfoil hat speak. of course he got a legio...
Jul 13th 2017
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School me on Umar
Jul 13th 2017
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😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jul 13th 2017
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this is the only Poomar video you need to see:
Jul 17th 2017
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      His style is abrasive but the substance is what we fundraisers
Jul 18th 2017
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... whassup w/the money for that academy tho?
Jul 13th 2017
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didn't this dude knock up a stripper named
Jul 13th 2017
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Your own gossip site link says the answer to that question is "no"
Jul 13th 2017
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It's in the clip if u actually care about having ur question answered
Jul 13th 2017
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      my bad he adressed it. guess that settles it. 8-21-18... or 8-21-19. foh...
Jul 14th 2017
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      What exactly would suffice for you in that regard?
Jul 14th 2017
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      IT'S IN THE CLIP. LOL.
Jul 14th 2017
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           I posted the clip to discuss the clip.
Jul 14th 2017
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                and I'm discussing you discussing the clip. proceed
Jul 14th 2017
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                Ah, so you're trolling as usual
Jul 16th 2017
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                     nah, that would involve subterfuge.
Jul 17th 2017
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                          And more trolling
Jul 17th 2017
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                               you feeling upset != me trolling.
Jul 17th 2017
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                                    And more trolling
Jul 17th 2017
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                                         huh. if I were trolling you'd probably be obsessed with replying
Jul 17th 2017
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                                              And more trolling
Jul 17th 2017
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                                                   exactly.
Jul 17th 2017
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                                                        Lol
Jul 17th 2017
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                                                        Lol
Jul 17th 2017
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                you dishonest muthafucka, he in the clip basically
Jul 17th 2017
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                     Lol, sit your tender self down with your emotional rants
Jul 17th 2017
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                          EMOTIONAL RANTS
Jul 18th 2017
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                          Hit 'em again, hype man!
Jul 18th 2017
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                               EMOTIONAL RANTS
Jul 18th 2017
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                          clown
Jul 18th 2017
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                               Damn, namecalling AND lying. You really had a nerve struck in here.
Jul 18th 2017
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im dying at the Republican (!) in the pink tie
Jul 14th 2017
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Dunno if we laughed at that for the same reason, but I also ctfu
Jul 18th 2017
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Blanqueamiento: Roland and swirler's white-approved goal
Jul 14th 2017
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^^ This is for those thinking we're "breeding them out"
Jul 17th 2017
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Telling Black men to marry Black women really pisses people off...
Jul 17th 2017
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Why do you think people are to upset?
Jul 17th 2017
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I left reply 122 before I saw this, but that'd be my response here
Jul 17th 2017
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Because it's true?
Jul 17th 2017
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Well we weren't allowed to show public affection to each other
Jul 17th 2017
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Yep, and Corey&Zo came thu wit da assist!(link)
Jul 17th 2017
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If I thought that shit was watchable
Jul 18th 2017
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That was a waste of time lol
Jul 18th 2017
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The Root fact checks his appearance on the show
Jul 18th 2017
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Yeah I saw that. The Root is exhibit B why white-owned Black media
Jul 18th 2017
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looks like The Root had to issue an apology
Jul 18th 2017
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They took and "L" on the Dr thing. The money thing is premature
Jul 18th 2017
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      LOL @ you as "skeptical"
Jul 18th 2017
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Atillah Moor
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1. "Umar though? I can't hear him out anymore "
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Boogie Stimuli
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2. "Then you're in the wrong post, b/c he's in the clip."
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Ttyl

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3. "lol"
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damn

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4. "What he really about? he was dissing brothers with light skin"
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talking CRAZY about his own people -- I mean...

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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5. "You can make a post about that if you wanna talk about it."
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I'll comment on it if you want me to.

I'll even give you the courtesy of being on
topic. Can I get the same courtesy, sir?

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6. "I'm listening, but only cuz I don't like this other dudes hair "
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Boogie Stimuli
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7. "*thumbs up*"
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8. "Umar and dude on the left had the best replies / points"
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Tue Jul-11-17 12:09 PM by Atillah Moor

  

          

panel was a mess. I still in the end agree with Public Enemy

Black Man White Woman Black baby
White man black woman black baby
black man black woman black baby

  

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20. "in reality...."
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how else in the fuck do people think how whites are projected to be a minority by the year 2050???

  

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27. "White folks have been global minority "
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in the USA the numbers were due to immigration of early 20th century.

And all of it ain't due to mixing.

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28. "Not to mention declining birth rates."
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>in the USA the numbers were due to immigration of early 20th
>century.
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>And all of it ain't due to mixing.

Word, white folks started immigrating more
whites after Haiti showed them in 1791 that
black folks would rise up... then you
have them killing us off with impunity since
the end of slavery. I say that to say they
already know they'd be an American minority
if they didn't deliberately make sure they weren't.

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29. "Yessir"
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many of the southern states were close to 40% if not more Black.

The infertility rates are alarming so much so they put out in popular media how 11 states have a negative birth rate.

The UK and several European countries have the same problem and their reaction has been uniform aka increased physical hostility.

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34. "Damn..."
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this makes the case for Apartheid coming back in the USA hard.

  

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37. "True"
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48. "Like Gus T. Renegade said..."
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the lower their numbers get, the more violent
they will become.

And while dudes out here thinking it's some
revolutionary act to sleep with white folks,
are they prepared for more Dylann Roof's?
Since he said he killed those folks, because
Black men are sleeping with white women.
He even called the white women "victims."
That KKK mentality never left.

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50. "I have loved Jacob; but I have hated Esau"
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somebody wrote that in a book I read somewhere and what God loves the devil hates

A dying mule kicks the hardest but it's still going to die

  

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52. "Your reply to me here is rather useless."
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It should be abundantly clear to you by now
that I find biblical references to Black issues
very counter-productive for the most part.
It's fine if you insist on believing in it, but I don't.
All that "somebody wrote that in a book" stuff
in reference to the bible is completely impotent
where I'm concerned.

If you simply aim to reiterate your addiction
to non-Black women, you've already established it.

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66. "well there was the dying mule part -- could have focused on that "
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Wed Jul-12-17 08:29 PM by Atillah Moor

  

          

or you know not take the words literally an see them in a similar light to the mule idiom. I have a question

Which black person is more liberated?

The one that marries a black person but clings to the illogical and intrinsically unbalanced construct of race as a lens through which to view themselves -- ultimately passing this same flawed self view to their children

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the black person who marries a non black person and rejects the intrinsic identify as the lesser in the afore mentioned construct

Within the construct of race the offspring of a black non black union is still black and takes away from nothing so far as black empowerment is concerned.

On the point of black empowerment the only way such a thing can really be achieved is through building wealth within most black communities, developing education within most black communities, and or dismantling the construct of race through violent or non violent means. Marriages between people of different skin tones and or cultural backgrounds (i.e. race) has little bearing on any of those.

The results Dr. Umar envisions stemming from black only marriages could be equally obtained by raising black children that become adults who value marriage and commit to it. In other better black parents (more of them) can net the same results IMO.

  

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75. "my man."
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>On the point of black empowerment the only way such a thing
>can really be achieved is through building wealth within most
>black communities, developing education within most black
>communities, and or dismantling the construct of race through
>violent or non violent means. Marriages between people of
>different skin tones and or cultural backgrounds (i.e. race)
>has little bearing on any of those.
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>The results Dr. Umar envisions stemming from black only
>marriages could be equally obtained by raising black children
>that become adults who value marriage and commit to it. In
>other better black parents (more of them) can net the same
>results IMO.

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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79. "I asked if people were ready to deal with the "dying mule""
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Thu Jul-13-17 08:44 AM by Boogie Stimuli

  

          

So I found the comment useless.
I also don't believe the symbolic mule is dying UNLESS we get on the ball. We are at a crossroads, where we're either looking at the last leg of white supremacy or the institution of it for the next 500 years. The white minority is making some pretty strong moves to set themselves up to continue as a ruling minority for a long time to come. We, as a people, are doing absolutely nothing to counter it, so it looks grim imo.

I find the way you posed the race question to be tricky. I'll explain why:
First the simple part... on one level, one passes on an inferiority complex and the other doesn't. Of course it's preferable if no inferiority complex is passed on.
HOWEVER, you tied the inferiority complex to "clinging to the construct of race." You said that as if we simply leave race behind by refusing to acknowledge it as individuals. I find that to be incredibly naive if that's indeed what you're suggesting, since the system in which we live operates based on it, even if we don't believe in it. I realize it's a social construct and how it came to be in America. But no one's gonna get a racist mob or cop off their case by raising the point that race is a social construct, for instance.
As for the children, while you can be screwed up with any race of parents, and there are biracial people with a decent handle of racial matters, I don't know of any single more confusing parental situation than having a Black parent and one racist white parent. It's one of the best ways to confuse a Black person and make sure they never have full loyalty to Black people, and white people realize this. I also feel that white people who are intimate with non-white people are possibly the most racist of them all, so you might be trying to push this idea to the wrong person.

You also continue to assert that the child of a union involving a Black person is still Black. You even said this in response to the video even though Umar ALSO says this in the video. This is not the reason Umar gave for not advocating interracial dating. Though my reasoning is different and more elaborate than Umar's, it's not my reasoning either.

Your ideas on how to achieve Black empowerment are simply ideas, but until it's fully achieved, I don't pretend to know all the answers, so I can neither confirm nor deny them. I just know what I think will work. What I can comment on is whether or not interracial dating has any bearing on them. I think of it this way... if every Black person in America is obsessed with having lighter children than themselves, we'll disappear in a couple of generations, as our population in America fits into the the white population 5 times plus. I pose that extreme only because we're the only people who even TOLERATE this idea that it's "hate speech" or extremism to date within our own race. We're also the only people who get accused such things for dating intra-racially. It's also not lost on me that everything you're saying is only in defense of your addiction to non-Black women. This is the Umar segment all over again. Children of interracial unions aren't always Black either. Slash, Rashida Jones, Troian Bellisario, Wentworth Miller, etc. The rapper Logic doesn't even use the nigga word, because he realizes he's socially accepted as white... so this notion that the children of Black/white unions are always Black isn't even true.


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87. "The children of people with different skin tones and cultural background..."
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Thu Jul-13-17 09:26 AM by Atillah Moor

  

          

Are "black" inside the system of white supremacy (as are we) is what I stated. I agree with Neely Fuller Jr that in reality it just breaks down to white and not white as far as how the system views people not of mostly European backgrounds. Regarding Logic I don't know what white people view him as but as Fuller states it's that culture which defines who is white and who is not. If 6 out of 10 whites say Logic is not white -- he's not white within their system.

Bringing me to the point about how non-whites of African descent view themselves; in combination with education Americans of colonial African descent can certainly define themselves as something outside of what the SOWS defines them. With more education centered in black communities focused on the unique background of African descended Americans self empowerment can be achieved and personal non adherence to the false paradigms of race can be successfully implemented (imo). This is a form of distancing from a toxic and IMO restrictive construct. How white people view non whites of African descent is something we can't control but we can control how we model ourselves in relation to that view. Simply stated we African descended Americans do not have to adhere so earnestly to the images we allow whites to foist onto us -- we can control our own narrative and this can be done through intense community based education similar to Asian communities, Jewish communities, polish communities etc. It takes investing in our people and communities to help foster this kind of environment and also build and generate wealth.

I noticed you focus much on the dynamic between whites and non whites of African descent but in my reply I believe I kept it general meaning that it doesn't matter what the culture and skin tone of the non African Descended individual is the result will more times than not be an African Descended individual. This can be with Asians, Europeans, Indians, etc

The problem with the culture mixing between African descended Americans and non is one of value. If we increase the actual and perceived value of the African descnded American we increase the quality of the unions between such individuals. I believe a child of mixed cultures who values their African descended parent will or is likely to seek out African descended partners. Americans of African descent that choose mates counter to their culture have chosen poorly, selfishly, or both but there are certainly non African cultured individuals who are not antagonistic towards the culture who are chosen as well.

The picture is not rosey but worth the average empire lasting 300 years (America not far from that) and the longest being 500 odds are whatever plans the white majority have will not come to fruition so the dying mule will die -- we just need to keep our distance and not get kicked.

  

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88. "RE: The children of people with different skin tones and cultural backgr..."
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Thu Jul-13-17 10:05 AM by Boogie Stimuli

  

          

>Are "black" inside the system of white supremacy (as are we)
>is what I stated.

Like I said, that's not always true.

>I agree with Neely Fuller Jr that in reality
>it just breaks down to white and not white as far as how the
>system views people not of mostly European backgrounds.


I agree with him to some extent, but I also think
there are levels to it. I also agree with Frances
Cress Welsing that Black men pose the biggest threat
to their genetic annihilation... hence our disproportionate
victimization. And because of that victimization, we tend
to have more "radical" views in our opposition to the
system. The fact that race was created and is exercised
in hierarchical terms corroborates this view.


>Regarding Logic I don't know what white people view him as but
>as Fuller states it's that culture which defines who is white
>and who is not. If 6 out of 10 whites say Logic is not white
>-- he's not white within their system.


Show those white people this picture:
https://goodblacknews.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/rashida-jones.jpg

Then show them a pic of Kelly Rowland and then ask them
which one is the white woman.


>Bringing me to the point about how non-whites of African
>descent view themselves; in combination with education
>Americans of colonial African descent can certainly define
>themselves as something outside of what the SOWS defines them.
>With more education centered in black communities focused on
>the unique background of African descended Americans self
>empowerment can be achieved and personal non adherence to the
>false paradigms of race can be successfully implemented (imo).
>This is a form of distancing from a toxic and IMO restrictive
>construct. How white people view non whites of African
>descent is something we can't control but we can control how
>we model ourselves in relation to that view. Simply stated we
>African descended Americans do not have to adhere so earnestly
>to the images we allow whites to foist onto us -- we can
>control our own narrative and this can be done through intense
>community based education similar to Asian communities, Jewish
>communities, polish communities etc. It takes investing in our
>people and communities to help foster this kind of environment
>and also build and generate wealth.


This is pretty much respectability politics... something
I'm not completely against, and I've never disagreed
that we don't have to view ourselves the way white ppl do.
I'm saying that the way we view ourselves isn't going to
stop the system from viewing us the way it wants to view
us, and excellence among ourselves isn't going to dismantle
the system. If anything, it will intensify it. This is
how the system reacts to Black progress. Asian and Jewish
communities have a very different existence from Black
descendants of slaves in America. VERY different, and
I don't think it's a very constructive plan to compare
our journey to theirs as if they've provided us a blueprint.
Yes, we should educate ourselves, but "false paradigms" of
race don't disappear unless the system is dismantled, and
that's not happening just because we engage in Black excellence
in my estimation.
If you disagree, it'll be most productive if we just
agree to disagree at this point.



>The problem with the culture mixing between African descended
>Americans and non is one of value. If we increase the actual
>and perceived value of the African descnded American we
>increase the quality of the unions between such individuals. I
>believe a child of mixed cultures who values their African
>descended parent will or is likely to seek out African
>descended partners. Americans of African descent that choose
>mates counter to their culture have chosen poorly, selfishly,
>or both but there are certainly non African cultured
>individuals who are not antagonistic towards the culture who
>are chosen as well.


I disagree with that as well. First, value is decided
by the dominant culture and that's currently white
culture. Sure we can and should value ourselves. I don't
think anyone would disagree with that. But this is much
more of systemic issue than an individual one and the
system is not conceding any value to Black people
without a very intense fight. I see biracial kids dating
all the time, and I don't think I've ever seen any
with anything other than white partners where I am (the south).
That last bit is just my personal experience tho.


>The picture is not rosey but worth the average empire lasting
>300 years (America not far from that) and the longest being
>500 odds are whatever plans the white majority have will not
>come to fruition so the dying mule will die -- we just need to
>keep our distance and not get kicked.

I'm not psychic, nor do I claim to know all, but
I'd not count on that being something we can be
passive about.




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90. "arguing what is T/F in relation to something fundamentally F"
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Thu Jul-13-17 10:57 AM by Atillah Moor

  

          

Isn't entirely productive. I don't think any real good comes either way. I guess I was speaking from the perspective of whites as they tend to adhere to race as a real thing more than others since their way of life depends on it.

>>I agree with Neely Fuller Jr that in reality
>>it just breaks down to white and not white as far as how the
>>system views people not of mostly European backgrounds.

>I agree with him to some extent, but I also think
>there are levels to it. I also agree with Frances
>Cress Welsing that Black men pose the biggest threat
>to their genetic annihilation... hence our disproportionate
>victimization.

Inside of America I would agree, but beyond that I tend to think that statement is exaggerated. People who could identify as white have been around for a long time and I don't think in a global sense there is this fear of black masses crossing the mediterranean to take the land and blot out the people.

And because of that victimization, we tend
>to have more "radical" views in our opposition to the
>system. The fact that race was created and is exercised
>in hierarchical terms corroborates this view.

Sure, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

>
>>Regarding Logic I don't know what white people view him as
>but
>>as Fuller states it's that culture which defines who is
>white
>>and who is not. If 6 out of 10 whites say Logic is not white
>>-- he's not white within their system.
>
>
>Show those white people this picture:
>https://goodblacknews.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/rashida-jones.jpg
>
>Then show them a pic of Kelly Rowland and then ask them
>which one is the white woman.

That would make for an interesting test, but I think you understand what I'm saying. There is a reason why people like Rachida in the past would hide their heritage. To the white people that value 100% European ancestry they will find out or try their hardest to and if and when they do find out it's curtains. For example Logic no matter how successful or how white he looks isn't marrying into Jeff Sessions or Mitch O'Connells family.

>
>
>This is pretty much respectability politics... something
>I'm not completely against, and I've never disagreed
>that we don't have to view ourselves the way white ppl do.

I'm sorry you see it that way. The truth is there has been much damage done to our culture and it's in need of repair. White people are not going to fix that as their systems are responsible for much of that damage. You can take the African American element out the equation entirely and you would still have a system that perpetuated lasting cultural damage and continues to do as such against X group of people.

>I'm saying that the way we view ourselves isn't going to
>stop the system from viewing us the way it wants to view
>us, and excellence among ourselves isn't going to dismantle
>the system.

I'm not focusing on dismantling the system I'm more so focusing on building black people educated and fiscally savvy enough to exist apart from it. Perhaps out of that an organization could arise that could in someway dismantle the system but regardless it would take white people (or passing whites) and blacks working together and sustaining a very long term plan. I think it more effective to simply focus on building communities that can separate or distance from the negative aspects of the majority culture

If anything, it will intensify it. This is
>how the system reacts to Black progress. Asian and Jewish
>communities have a very different existence from Black
>descendants of slaves in America. VERY different, and
>I don't think it's a very constructive plan to compare
>our journey to theirs as if they've provided us a blueprint.

Again I am sorry that you read educate black people and build wealth as some sort of delusion. These are tools that were taken from our group how you can argue against regaining them because of the fallout of such is unfortunate. In Africa people are doing the same thing. I use those example because they work,. So what if white people try to attack it? Plan accordingly. It sounds like there is some kind of fear of reprisal you are typing about but again so what if thats the case. No group of people can not be outsmarted. Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much in this case.


>Yes, we should educate ourselves, but "false paradigms" of
>race don't disappear unless the system is dismantled, and
>that's not happening just because we engage in Black
>excellence
>in my estimation.
>If you disagree, it'll be most productive if we just
>agree to disagree at this point.

That is fine, but dismantling race is not really the entirety of what I was getting at, but now I understand from my initial statement why you may think that was the crux of my argument.


>>The problem with the culture mixing between African
>descended
>>Americans and non is one of value. If we increase the actual
>>and perceived value of the African descnded American we
>>increase the quality of the unions between such individuals.
>I
>>believe a child of mixed cultures who values their African
>>descended parent will or is likely to seek out African
>>descended partners. Americans of African descent that choose
>>mates counter to their culture have chosen poorly,
>selfishly,
>>or both but there are certainly non African cultured
>>individuals who are not antagonistic towards the culture who
>>are chosen as well.
>
>
>I disagree with that as well. First, value is decided
>by the dominant culture and that's currently white
>culture.

This is true, but it is also true that white people are not a monolith and I'm making the argument that the more truth one can display in their daily life will resonate with those that value truth and aid in dispelling the lies that the SOWS propagates. Here I would certainly agree that it is not enough to stop anything regarding racism but it can diminish it's potency to some extent.

Sure we can and should value ourselves. I don't
>think anyone would disagree with that. But this is much
>more of systemic issue than an individual one and the
>system is not conceding any value to Black people
>without a very intense fight.

agreed

I see biracial kids dating
>all the time, and I don't think I've ever seen any
>with anything other than white partners where I am (the
>south).
>That last bit is just my personal experience tho.

Fair. I think this story is still being written so we will have to wait. I do myself worry that we may just end up with another color caste similar to the DR but it doesn't have to be that way either.


>>The picture is not rosy but with the average empire
>lasting
>>300 years (America not far from that) and the longest being
>>500 odds are whatever plans the white majority have will not
>>come to fruition so the dying mule will die -- we just need
>to
>>keep our distance and not get kicked.
>
>I'm not psychic, nor do I claim to know all, but
>I'd not count on that being something we can be
>passive about.

Agree, but I don't believe passivity is what I'm promoting

Good discourse Boogie, I will hand off final comments to you.

  

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91. "Cool"
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>Inside of America I would agree, but beyond that I tend to
>think that statement is exaggerated. People who could identify
>as white have been around for a long time and I don't think in
>a global sense there is this fear of black masses crossing the
>mediterranean to take the land and blot out the people.


We both live in America, so that's what I'm talking about,
mainly. However "fear of genetic annihilation" doesn't refer to
Black people crossing seas to take land and blot out people.
It does, however, provide some thought-provoking explanation
for why white folks have historically done just that and killed
whole groups of people off.



>And because of that victimization, we tend
>>to have more "radical" views in our opposition to the
>>system. The fact that race was created and is exercised
>>in hierarchical terms corroborates this view.
>
>Sure, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.
>


I have no idea why you responded that way.
Please be specific in the future instead of
speaking in parables, as I've found your use
of them misplaced in this conversation twice due
to different views on the application of said parables.



>That would make for an interesting test, but I think you
>understand what I'm saying. There is a reason why people like
>Rachida in the past would hide their heritage.



That's the past. We live in 2017. The "save white
people" crowd is desperate enough to accept Rashida.



>>This is pretty much respectability politics... something
>>I'm not completely against, and I've never disagreed
>>that we don't have to view ourselves the way white ppl do.
>
>I'm sorry you see it that way. The truth is there has been
>much damage done to our culture and it's in need of repair.
>White people are not going to fix that as their systems are
>responsible for much of that damage. You can take the African
>American element out the equation entirely and you would still
>have a system that perpetuated lasting cultural damage and
>continues to do as such against X group of people.



I said absolutely nothing about white people fixing
anything, and am unsure as to how you arrived at
that conclusion.




>>I'm saying that the way we view ourselves isn't going to
>>stop the system from viewing us the way it wants to view
>>us, and excellence among ourselves isn't going to dismantle
>>the system.
>
>I'm not focusing on dismantling the system I'm more so
>focusing on building black people educated and fiscally savvy
>enough to exist apart from it. Perhaps out of that an
>organization could arise that could in someway dismantle the
>system but regardless it would take white people (or passing
>whites) and blacks working together and sustaining a very long
>term plan. I think it more effective to simply focus on
>building communities that can separate or distance from the
>negative aspects of the majority culture



I don't disagree with us building among ourselves.
I've said that both here and in the past on the
boards tho.



>If anything, it will intensify it. This is
>>how the system reacts to Black progress. Asian and Jewish
>>communities have a very different existence from Black
>>descendants of slaves in America. VERY different, and
>>I don't think it's a very constructive plan to compare
>>our journey to theirs as if they've provided us a blueprint.
>
>Again I am sorry that you read educate black people and build
>wealth as some sort of delusion.



I have to cut in right here. I said nothing about it
being "some sort of delusion." Sir, you fabricated
this alternative fact, lol.




>These are tools that were
>taken from our group how you can argue against regaining them
>because of the fallout of such is unfortunate. In Africa
>people are doing the same thing. I use those example because
>they work,. So what if white people try to attack it? Plan
>accordingly. It sounds like there is some kind of fear of
>reprisal you are typing about but again so what if thats the
>case. No group of people can not be outsmarted. Methinks the
>gentleman doth protest too much in this case.



I also said nothing about fear that white people would
attack it (although that's not a fear, just a reality, and I
wholeheartedly believe that we should plan for it).
If you're unclear about something I'm saying, please do
feel free to ask me what I mean instead of assuming.
Our road to freedom and equality is different from those
other groups for a plethora of reasons... not the least
of which is Jews got reparations.




>This is true, but it is also true that white people are not a
>monolith and I'm making the argument that the more truth one
>can display in their daily life will resonate with those that
>value truth and aid in dispelling the lies that the SOWS
>propagates. Here I would certainly agree that it is not enough
>to stop anything regarding racism but it can diminish it's
>potency to some extent.



Lol. I was gonna ask you why you even bother to
argue with denny. Now I see why.
Good luck.




>Fair. I think this story is still being written so we will
>have to wait. I do myself worry that we may just end up with
>another color caste similar to the DR but it doesn't have to
>be that way either.


We definitely will if we think sleeping with non-Black
people is any part of the revolution. You mentioned
Neely Fuller who consistently says "replace the system
of white supremacy with a system of justice as soon as
possible." If we don't replace the system, it's just
more injustice based on something else.



>>>The picture is not rosy but with the average empire
>>lasting
>>>300 years (America not far from that) and the longest being
>>>500 odds are whatever plans the white majority have will
>not
>>>come to fruition so the dying mule will die -- we just need
>>to
>>>keep our distance and not get kicked.
>>
>>I'm not psychic, nor do I claim to know all, but
>>I'd not count on that being something we can be
>>passive about.
>
>Agree, but I don't believe passivity is what I'm promoting
>


I don't have much to add. We have some fundamental
disagreements, but we do both agree that Black people
should strengthen our economic base and education.
I say we focus on those, as I don't see how anyone
could disagree with either.

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Wouldn't let Umar finish after they asked him something.

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>Wouldn't let Umar finish after they asked him something.

Yeah I don't think they ever intended to.
There's alotta commentary out there about it
calling it an ambush, because that exactly
what it was. It's hilarious because it
still didn't work lol.
Jason Black's commentary on it was priceless.


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>
>Yeah I don't think they ever intended to.
>There's alotta commentary out there about it
>calling it an ambush, because that exactly
>what it was. It's hilarious because it
>still didn't work lol.
>Jason Black's commentary on it was priceless.
>
>
>

Brings Richard Spencer on for a long one on one segment but sets Umar up.

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>Brings Richard Spencer on for a long one on one segment but
>sets Umar up.


Don't have to wonder where their loyalty is after that.

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skate is crazy

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what's the point?

opposing sides yell at one another and race for a "gotcha moment" and nothing substantive changes

what is even the goal, so that you could determine if you are any closer to a resolution?

martin got his questions answered....so i guess that's something, but the panel part? just more of the same talking heads talking (loudly)

are we (the observers) so desirous to declare a winner because someone got owned/slayed/served/destroyed/whatever that we will subject ourselves to the equivalent of a poop-throwing-battle in a zoo cage, without considering to what end?

i would love to have an actual discussion about the *ideas* of the seemingly opposing sides, but i wonder in the midst of this *loudest/snarkiest voice gets the attention* culture if that is even possible.

  

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As they decided what issues would be addressed.
There really seemed to be no point other than
questioning his credentials and Douglas tie
(for the millionth time) and talking about
interracial dating, because some negros are
hooked on white and non-black sex.

I personally just think it's funny that they
tried to ambush the brother and it backfired.
As I stated though, it's a complete shame
that this passes for "Black media" in anyone's mind.

I've said on here before that we have NO mainstream
Black media... just Black people who speak white
talking points. If this doesn't prove that to ppl,
I'm afraid of what it'll take.


>what's the point?
>
>opposing sides yell at one another and race for a "gotcha
>moment" and nothing substantive changes
>
>what is even the goal, so that you could determine if you are
>any closer to a resolution?
>
>martin got his questions answered....so i guess that's
>something, but the panel part? just more of the same talking
>heads talking (loudly)
>
>are we (the observers) so desirous to declare a winner because
>someone got owned/slayed/served/destroyed/whatever that we
>will subject ourselves to the equivalent of a
>poop-throwing-battle in a zoo cage, without considering to
>what end?
>
>i would love to have an actual discussion about the *ideas* of
>the seemingly opposing sides, but i wonder in the midst of
>this *loudest/snarkiest voice gets the attention* culture if
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14. "i was thinking more whether anyone else who watched saw one"
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... a point, that is

i was thrown off the bat when the basis for the questioning seemed to be "black twitter is commenting about this so..."

THAT, is enough to show where we are journalistically, relative to who and what is driving the narrative is discourse

s'pretty sad

  

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16. "So true"
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>i was thrown off the bat when the basis for the questioning
>seemed to be "black twitter is commenting about this so..."
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>THAT, is enough to show where we are journalistically,
>relative to who and what is driving the narrative is
>discourse
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>s'pretty sad


Twitter being their source is INDEED quite pathetic.

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25. "the point is they all get a check"
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they aint in it to help the community

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12. "WOW! Umar Johnson lit Roland Martin and his Team up with that BASE!"
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15. "For those always saying he's lying about the Frederick Douglas tie"
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It gets addressed here... very thoroughly.

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17. "I had to watch this twice and it was more lit the 2nd time... LOL"
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21. "lmao"
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22. "Martin failed because he came across as an instigator not an interviewer..."
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Just was totally unprofessional and I have lost a lil bit of respect for Martin after this segment.
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26. "Yeah it was like a Wendy Williams segment or something"
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>Just was totally unprofessional and I have lost a lil bit of
>respect for Martin after this segment.

Word. I can't say I was a fan anyway, especially
after his shuckin and jivin for Hillary Clinton
and some of the other panels he's had on his show.


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23. "daily reminder of my interacial marriage taking away from my blackness"
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man...i got to talk to my wife about a divorce so i can get back to my african roots

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99. "im glad you learned your lesson "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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24. "Reminds me a lot of this messageboard"
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Umar certainly handed them their asses on a platter.

Roland clearly hand an agenda to try and embarrass Umar and it showed.

Why he brought the two boot licking negros to counter act Umar is so confusing to me for someone who is self proclaimed progressive as Roland says he is.

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30. "I feel bad for watching this and giving it numbers..."
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...Martin and them clearly had an agenda here.

I'm no fan of Dr. Umar, but he handled himself well considering

  

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31. "Rolan Martin is a jigaboo too, went as I expected"
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As soon as I saw Umar was going to be on the show, I already knew what would happen. Sure he has a lot you can give him shit for, but the things he was talking about on that clip isn't really up for debate.

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32. "Umar won!"
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33. "In Total Slaughter terms"
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This is the equivalent of TRex "randomly" choosing an opponent and dropping three personals in the first eight bars.

It's hard for me to side with Umar because he thinks Homosexuality is a government conspiracy designed to destroy the black family. It's even harder to side with the guy that doesn't respect black men in interracial relationships.

Umar knew this was an ambush during the first part where Roland tried to coax Umar into exploring his controversial stances. Umar shouldn't been on this show in the first place.

  

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45. "You gonna stick with that lie?"
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>It's hard for me to side with Umar because he thinks
>Homosexuality is a government conspiracy designed to destroy
>the black family.


He's never said that.
I know what he actually does believe about
homosexuality, so I'll give you a chance to
clear that up before I just consider you a
blatant liar. Maybe that's a really elaborate
typo on your part.


>It's even harder to side with the guy that
>doesn't respect black men in interracial relationships.


Oh we know interracial sex is your lifeblood.
Trust me, you've made it very clear.



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92. "Homosexuality is a mental condition (c) Umar Johnson"
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>>It's hard for me to side with Umar because he thinks
>>Homosexuality is a government conspiracy designed to destroy
>>the black family.
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>
>He's never said that.
>I know what he actually does believe about
>homosexuality, so I'll give you a chance to
>clear that up before I just consider you a
>blatant liar. Maybe that's a really elaborate
>typo on your part.

He's all but said it twice:

Once during his first breakfast club interview and another clip where he's speaking to an LGBTIA activist during one of his town halls.

  

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95. "Thanks for correcting yourself"
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35. "aw man, not my hero Roland Martin!"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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38. "i disagree with Umar on a lot things and generally don't rock w/"
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his approach or beliefs on a variety of issues (ex:the unnecessary gay bashing, his views on education and ADHD, etc). however, the folks on that panel were not equipped or qualified to debate him. at least that's how it came off. i dunno who they thought they were dealing with, but you're not gonna out talk a talker. def not out-slick talk a slick talker lol. he came prepared, they didnt.

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39. "RE: Roland Martin &amp; panel got their jheri curls handed to them by Um..."
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Oh....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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40. "Didn't know there were some Umar...."
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...STANS on this board....Interesting....

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41. "Me neither! LOL!"
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43. "how did y'all miss that?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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42. "all i see are three niggas defending their right to date yt women"
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out of all things to challenge Umar on, this is what you choose?

  

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47. "I'm sayin, that's ALL these people are fighting for"
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>out of all things to challenge Umar on, this is what you
>choose?

Right. Out of all the things you can talk to Umar
about PERIOD as Black people, they choose show
their white masters that they'll get that nigger
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64. "😂😂😂😂😂"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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44. "fuck all these niggas. *mic drop*"
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46. "I ain't the biggest Umar fan but exhibit B of how these old niggas"
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gotta go

callin dude a Coon was fitting...I mean he is a republican lol

I can't stand Roland Martin


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49. "Some interesting things."
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Roland Martin said "some people said" you're not a descendant of Douglas, but then in his very own quote from the family, THEY even said he never claimed to be a descendant of Douglas.

Also, the woman on the panel is clearly auditioning for a white man, because she names all these supposed anti-racist white men but never names any white women. She even names Tim Wise's unforgivably racist behind (thou shalt never come for Frances Cress Welsing). Plus dude admitted to being racist, foh. He's a clear example to me of why these alleged anti-racist white people are some of the most dangerous ones.

Martin and Panel were hinting at calling it extremism for Black people to only date Black people. That is something no Black people should tolerate from a "news" organization that pretends to be for Black people.

Roland Martin punked out when the blatant white supremacist Richard Spencer was on and wouldn't even refer to himself as a Black man when Spencer asked him if he was Black, but he straight up attacks a Black man who says saving Black people starts with the Black family.

Props to Jason Black for the random broadcast
he did about this:
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55. "wait you got a clip of this"
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>Roland Martin punked out when the blatant white supremacist
>Richard Spencer was on and wouldn't even refer to himself as a
>Black man when Spencer asked him if he was Black, but he
>straight up attacks a Black man who says saving Black people
>starts with the Black family.
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i knew roland had happy feet but not like that.

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57. "Yep. The part I referenced starts at 7:40"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr5BQS79H7g

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93. "wow that's cringey as fuck."
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98. "Word"
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51. "Dr. Poomar "The Scammer" Ittapupu."
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53. "So what'd you think of the segment?"
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74. "it was a bunch of bullshit."
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and he as much a "coon" as he called the rest. don't care how "right" he sounds, he still broke.

  

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94. "^^^what he said"
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The guy is a fucking clown.

  

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97. "Oh ok. Two questions for you..."
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Which parts in particular were "bullshit"
in your opinion?

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117. "answers:"
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>Which parts in particular were "bullshit"
>in your opinion?

entire video.

>What is your definition of a "coon"?

a coon generally means a Black person who adopts (reprehensible, problematic, generally contrary) public behavior for the benefit/entertainment/to curry the favor of non-Blacks, at the expense of Black people. see: Whitlock, Jason; Clarke, William; Ittapupu, Umar.

in Umar's case, it's at the LITERAL expense.

  

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120. "RE: answers:"
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>>Which parts in particular were "bullshit"
>>in your opinion?
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>entire video.


So you think it's bullshit that saving Black people
involves saving the Black family? Or that gender
and sexual orientation were included in the civil
rights bill for nefarious reasons (mainly so that
white women would end up getting 63% of affirmative
action benefits)?


>>What is your definition of a "coon"?
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>a coon generally means a Black person who adopts
>(reprehensible, problematic, generally contrary) public
>behavior for the benefit/entertainment/to curry the favor of
>non-Blacks, at the expense of Black people. see: Whitlock,
>Jason; Clarke, William; Ittapupu, Umar.


How do you figure Umar is currying the favor of
non-Blacks at all? How is what he does for
their benefit?
He hasn't thrown Black people under the bus. He
set out to raise a million dollars which he's
yet to raise, so I don't see how his actions are
at the "literal expense" of Black people, so
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54. "As a corporate moderate brother..."
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You'd never catch me on a stage working so hard to defend white folks. I am not sure what they were trying to gain.

Sister was disrespectful from the start. Dark skin brother was on some uncle ruckus.

I generally agree with his statement regarding interracial dating but I am also on some let people live and find their truth.



>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioRC9FTB2Jg
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>"Ya so quick to defend white folks that you're not listening"
>lmao
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>I swear I don't agree with all of Umar's actions
>or even all of his views, but he mopped the floor
>with them.
>
>The panelist on the left was the only one talking
>with any level of maturity and sense. He was also
>keeping it 100% real with what he said, especially
>since I keep seeing women saying stuff like "let
>the white women they love so much come to their
>defense!" Here's a brother strongly advocating
>Black unity, but he's the one they hate? Lol.
>This definitely gives power to the notion that
>equality is really only about interracial sex
>to alotta people. How you got a child psychologist
>who specializes in addressing the mistreatment
>of Black boys on your show, but all you wanna
>talk about is an interracial dating comment?
>This is "Black media"?? This is a complete damn shame.
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56. "i dont bang w/ umar like that. but he right more often than not"
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at least from what i've seen.

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59. "This made Dr. Umar look like a serious leader, "
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that entire opposition panel should be embarrassed.


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60. "U gotta be a xxtra strength level hankyhead when umar is the logical one"
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They look faaaaaaaar more ridiculous



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62. "Yeah Umar did that "
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His breakfast club was on point as well

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63. "I was surprised at how well he came across n/m"
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65. "i forgot niggas like that black republican existed"
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when you keep an inner circle of likeminded people you forget that some cats are out here full throttle super saiyan cooning

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67. "psssht roland aint finna lose no sponsors trippin' off umar."
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him even putting umar on was showing MAD love

roland was probably ctfu on the inside watching umar annihilate them like that

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68. "Disgusting."
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Wed Jul-12-17 09:17 PM by denny

          

A black man's personal decision to marry a women of any color is his freedom and liberty. He does NOT forego his sincerity or legitimacy in doing so.

Shame on everybody cosigning this. This is unacceptable rhetoric and bordering on hate speech.

I was present in the first threads about Umar Johnson on OKP. I say the same thing now....he is a racial opportunist. Beware because the ground is more fertile now than it was 5 years ago.

  

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69. "and to jog anyone's memory..."
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I'm pretty sure the first appearance Umar Johnson made here on OKP was his assertion that young black boys were being over-medicated with ADHD drugs. I provided evidence that black boys were more likely to NOT be prescribed with ADHD medication than any other race group.

Are numbers racist?

  

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70. "where was this data gathered? Canada or the US"
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71. "For example:"
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691530/

  

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76. "So far I see three white men looking for something they don't know "
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recognize, understand, or comprehend. I'll keep reading, but this is already looking suspect

  

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72. "Leave it to the white guy craving interracial sex to say this..."
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>This is unacceptable rhetoric and bordering on hate speech.
>


This is why you continue to be dismissed.


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73. "That was not very nice."
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Thu Jul-13-17 12:36 AM by denny

          

Why wouldn't you attack me with substance?

The sssertion is that a black man who makes partner with a non-black woman is a fraud. Hitler agrees with you.

  

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77. "no one cares how you feel about black issues"
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I find his thoughts on interracial dating to be a little ignorant and narrow minded, but white people dont get the liberty to call any black person's views "disgusting" short of a black person being in favor of pedophilia/rape/incest

in so many words, you're appalled and turned off by a pro-black stance, good luck with trying to get that to fly

  

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80. "Mad respect"
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>white people dont get the
>liberty to call any black person's views "disgusting"...
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>in so many words, you're appalled and turned off by a
>pro-black stance, good luck with trying to get that to fly


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109. "thats an awfully thick blanket youre laying down"
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>but white people dont get the
>liberty to call any black person's views "disgusting" short of
>a black person being in favor of pedophilia/rape/incest

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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129. "split all the hairs you need to"
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I agree radical pro-blackness can be extra at times. calling it "disgusting" (especially when Umar didnt call white people out of their names or suggest anyone should be harmed) is doing too much

  

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100. "lol mind your white business fam. "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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78. "it's wrestling at this point, he's an entertaining character"
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any black person putting too much faith in dude is brainwashed

  

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81. "The same could be said for those attacking him tho, depending..."
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on what the reasoning is.


>any black person putting too much faith in dude is
>brainwashed


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82. "Lol and Roland Martin dancing for Hilary ain't"
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some character ish?

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84. "I dont pay attention to politics at all"
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but I dont get the sense Roland Martin is half as much a "character" as Umar

  

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89. "Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiid...."
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Coolin...

  

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83. "Umar talkin loud and sayin nothing as usual"
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people seem more interested in "who owned who" instead of what this guy is actually saying. i totally agree that Umar is a great speaker and the panel that Roland had wasn't ready to properly debate him, but that doesn't change the fact that Umar is a clown. a slick talkin clown, but still a clown.

  

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85. "Dr. Umar Johnson >>>>>>>>>> Frederick Douglas"
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I know that's not what he said, but he made it clear that Douglass (and any other Black man who married a non-Black woman)apparently wasn't that committed to the cause. I want to respect his opinion and hustle, but he's made so many ridiculous comments that it's impossible to take him seriously - at least for me.

I just don't get it. How can someone who spews such divisive rhetoric be that appealing to so many? I mean I get it, but I'm surprised he has as many fans on here as he does.

  

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96. "Umar is basically barbershop tinfoil hat speak. of course he got a legio..."
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>I just don't get it. How can someone who spews such divisive
>rhetoric be that appealing to so many? I mean I get it, but
>I'm surprised he has as many fans on here as he does.

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86. "School me on Umar"
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All I know is this clip and this takedown on the root

http://www.theroot.com/we-fact-checked-umar-johnsons-hotep-tantrum-with-roland-1796798532

which wasn't much of a takedown because the roots main argument is we didn't find proof of his education or how he used the funds he collected but that doesn't amount to him lying about his education or that he is misusing the funds (also the article got wrong that he collected funds as donations outside of the 501c3 which wouldn't require the same reporting).

What's clear though is that respectable black folks want to take him down. I got two different conversations going on about this brother on my FB and the line is clearly drawn along class lines.

If this dude is a clown or as terrible as people say he is, show me some of his worst statements from the countless hours of youtube videos he has.




>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioRC9FTB2Jg
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>"Ya so quick to defend white folks that you're not listening"
>lmao
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>I swear I don't agree with all of Umar's actions
>or even all of his views, but he mopped the floor
>with them.
>
>The panelist on the left was the only one talking
>with any level of maturity and sense. He was also
>keeping it 100% real with what he said, especially
>since I keep seeing women saying stuff like "let
>the white women they love so much come to their
>defense!" Here's a brother strongly advocating
>Black unity, but he's the one they hate? Lol.
>This definitely gives power to the notion that
>equality is really only about interracial sex
>to alotta people. How you got a child psychologist
>who specializes in addressing the mistreatment
>of Black boys on your show, but all you wanna
>talk about is an interracial dating comment?
>This is "Black media"?? This is a complete damn shame.
>
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103. "😂😂😂😂😂😂"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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118. "this is the only Poomar video you need to see:"
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I can't find a Youtube link, but here's the one:

http://financialjuneteenth.com/watch-dr-umar-johnson-calls-black-people-trifling-for-only-giving-him-250000/

  

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147. "His style is abrasive but the substance is what we fundraisers"
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do all the time.

I wouldn't use "I" as much as he does. I also complain all the time about how black people don't give to charitable organizations.




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101. "... whassup w/the money for that academy tho?"
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smh dude entertaining & pretty sharp as far as talking heads go.

but he still full of s##t.

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102. "didn't this dude knock up a stripper named"
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'Conscious Stripper'?

http://madamenoire.com/541613/the-conscious-stripper-explains-why-she-exposed-dr-umar-johnson/

  

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105. "Your own gossip site link says the answer to that question is "no""
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104. "It's in the clip if u actually care about having ur question answered"
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and aren't here to be cute for attention.

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106. "my bad he adressed it. guess that settles it. 8-21-18... or 8-21-19. foh..."
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smh.

nigga serious, too.

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108. "What exactly would suffice for you in that regard?"
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He answered every question regarding the school.
Are you dissatisfied with the questions or the answers?
How could either of them have been different in order
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107. "IT'S IN THE CLIP. LOL."
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I love how proud you niggas are of watching someone steal money.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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111. "I posted the clip to discuss the clip."
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If you're not here to do the same, you're the wrong post.

I've made that abundantly clear at this point.

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113. "and I'm discussing you discussing the clip. proceed"
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IT'S IN THE CLIIIIIIIIIIP

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114. "Ah, so you're trolling as usual"
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115. "nah, that would involve subterfuge."
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I'm very blatantly laughing at you dumb niggas.

I have no idea why you'd respond to that at all, so it can't possibly be trolling.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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119. "And more trolling"
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123. "you feeling upset != me trolling."
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125. "And more trolling"
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126. "huh. if I were trolling you'd probably be obsessed with replying"
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127. "And more trolling"
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128. "exactly."
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133. "Lol"
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@GetoutTheroom
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134. "Lol"
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135. "you dishonest muthafucka, he in the clip basically "
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saying her aint done shit with the money. $750,000 of other people's funds!

in 8-21-18, or 8-21-19

F O H

whatchu gunna say when that school still aint open and get still collecting funds from his base?

yet aint you the same one in here talkin' about how the Black church and folks like Creflo Dollar is full of shit?

why do you Stan for this dude?

  

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136. "Lol, sit your tender self down with your emotional rants"
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His goal was 1 mil.
Since he's collected 750,000 and the school he had
his sight set on was sold, it only makes sense that
he'd be looking for another school. He's collecting
money to purchase a school, not materialize one out
of thin air.


>whatchu gunna say when that school still aint open and get
>still collecting funds from his base?


Feel free to keep following me and providing your
entertaining emotional rants as you see what I'm
saying until the school is open.


>yet aint you the same one in here talkin' about how the Black
>church and folks like Creflo Dollar is full of shit?


You tell me but only if you can tell me why I
said what you're claiming I said.


>why do you Stan for this dude?


You consider it stanning as long as someone isn't
saying all negative about him, because you hate
anyone whose idea of Black empowerment doesn't
involve interracial dating and liberal progressive
feminist views.

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137. "EMOTIONAL RANTS"
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140. "Hit 'em again, hype man!"
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149. "EMOTIONAL RANTS"
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(this is what you requested?)

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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142. "clown"
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weren't you in here talking about how you spent most of your 20s dating white women, lolzers

Umar came off the best in this interview, without a doubt. he still a charlatan and full of shit. says more about Roland and that panel, than him

and you right, i should stop following you around and laughing at you

  

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145. "Damn, namecalling AND lying. You really had a nerve struck in here."
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>weren't you in here talking about how you spent most of your
>20s dating white women, lolzers


Wow, you're just making up lies now.
I did date one white woman for a year tho,
very unfortunately. Thank heavens I learned
better.




>Umar came off the best in this interview, without a doubt. he
>still a charlatan and full of shit. says more about Roland and
>that panel, than him


Most of that is true. If you can prove he's a
charlatan, then that'd be cool.




>and you right, i should stop following you around

Of course I'm right.
You should be used to that by now.


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110. "im dying at the Republican (!) in the pink tie"
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"I identify as an American -"

"Im sure you do!"

lol

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139. "Dunno if we laughed at that for the same reason, but I also ctfu"
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>"I identify as an American -"
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>"Im sure you do!"
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112. "Blanqueamiento: Roland and swirler's white-approved goal"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanqueamiento

Blanqueamiento, Branqueamento, or whitening, is a social, political, and economic practice used in many post-colonial countries to "improve the race" (mejorar la raza) towards a supposed ideal of whiteness. The term blanqueamiento is rooted in Latin America and is used more or less synonymous with racial whitening. However, blanqueamiento can be considered in both the symbolic and biological sense. Symbolically, blanqueamiento represents an ideology that emerged from legacies of European colonialism, described by Anibal Quijano's theory of coloniality of power, which caters to white dominance in social hierarchies. Biologically, blanqueamiento is the process of whitening by marrying a lighter-skinned individual in order to produce lighter-skinned offspring.

Definition
Peter Wade argues that blanqueamiento is a historical process that can be linked to nationalism. When thinking about nationalism, the ideologies behind it stem from national identity, which according to Peter Wade is "a construction of the past and the future", where the past is understood as being more traditional and backwards. For example, past demographics of Puerto Rico were heavily black and Indian-influenced because the country partook in the slave trade and was simultaneously home to many indigenous groups. Therefore, understanding blanqueamiento as it relates to modernization, modernization is then understood as a guidance in the direction away from black and indigenous roots. Modernization then happened as described by Wade as "the increasing integration of blacks and Indians into modern society, where they will mix in and eventually disappear, taking their primitive culture with them". This kind of implementation of blanqueamiento takes place in a societies that have historically always been led by 'white' people whose guidance would carry "the country away from its past, which began in Indianness and slavery" with the hopes of promoting the intermixing of bodies in order to have a predominantly white-skinned society.

Read the rest at the link above.

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124. "^^ This is for those thinking we're "breeding them out""
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This is an old trick, and an example of Black people "playing chess while white people play checkers" as they think multiple generations ahead while you're only thinking about the next (such as Atillah above, saying the child is Black if there's a Black parent, but not thinking about what happens after that).
This is easy for them to accomplish, because they control media representations and who it's "stylish" to date.
Notice they don't show us together successfully in mainstream media.
***But look at the painting and ask yourself why white male/Black female relationships are everywhere in mainstream media right now, just as you're looking at a rise in open white nationalism. These are not two separate things.***
How do you think white males would react if Spiderman's love interest had a Black father/white mother and he himself was Black
Lol. Or if Flash were Black and his gf on the show every week was white? How do you think your population has remained at 13% for over 200 yrs despite higher birth rates?
Folks say we shouldn't care about race at all, and that mindset is how we keep getting our asses handed to us sociopolitically over and over. You may not like the reason you're fighting, but if you're being attacked, you either fight back or get defeated.



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116. "Telling Black men to marry Black women really pisses people off..."
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That's some sad shit.

shut up already, damn

  

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121. "Why do you think people are to upset?"
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130. "I left reply 122 before I saw this, but that'd be my response here"
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131. "Because it's true? "
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I don't follow Umar but a strong Black family is a thing of beauty and you can't talk all that "we as a people" while dating and marrying everything but a Black woman.

American history is the reason. We view Black women as evil, bitchy, etc.

shut up already, damn

  

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122. "Well we weren't allowed to show public affection to each other"
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during Jim Crow because that meant more Black
babies were on the way.
That attitude is obviously still pervasive
throughout society.
Saying we should procreate solely with one
another gets right to the point.
Only difference now is that Black people are
openly on board with the idea too.
Very sad indeed.

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132. "Yep, and Corey&Zo came thu wit da assist!(link)"
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https://youtu.be/3LBJfhzqmxU


LMBAO!
Corey went ballz-deep on dem ninjaz!


#5150nation

https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/reprise

"The more you reveal of yourself to the spirit-of-the-thing, the more the spirit-of-the-thing will reveal of itself to you" -Miyamoto Musashi

  

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138. "If I thought that shit was watchable"
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I'd have to leave the internet.


How do things get so low that this represents you.

Jesus christ, respect your audio quality more.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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141. "That was a waste of time lol"
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The best thing said there was Zo's reference to
Yvette Carnell's comments on the situation.
They would've been better off just telling
everyone to watch her.

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143. "The Root fact checks his appearance on the show"
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Presented without comment.

http://www.theroot.com/we-fact-checked-umar-johnsons-hotep-tantrum-with-roland-1796798532

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144. "Yeah I saw that. The Root is exhibit B why white-owned Black media"
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is detrimental and more akin to cointel pro than
anything

This is clearly not journalism and just an all-out
attack. Dude didn't even pretend to be fair even
after saying he doesn't have a vendetta against Johnson.
Just blatantly lying lol.

Then there's the part where he's talking about
searching for his 501c3 when he doesn't even know
what name it's listed under.

Other silly stuff there is that the author completely
overlooks where dude called him a liar (and says Umar
went into some "this motherfucker is lying" voice)
and says the conversation devolves when Umar responded by calling
him a coon... this despite the fact that Umar was the
most level headed person on the segment.

Then he names all this older stuff that he never thought
to bring up until Umar said saving Black people depends
on saving the Black family.

Shout out to Cynthia for the breakdown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPiIoKnVGsM#t=29m51s

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146. "looks like The Root had to issue an apology"
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after they found Umar's doctorate online. Considering they based their ire around the fact that he wasn't a doctor, that's hilarious.

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148. "They took and "L" on the Dr thing. The money thing is premature"
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as well.

I am not sure what folks expect to see on the money front. Building a school takes time and planning. I wouldn't expect to see results in less than 5 years time.


Look I consider myself skeptical AF and I wouldn't give any money to this before seeing his team and plan to pull this off. I think this is highly likely to go the way of the Fyre Festival.

But folks haven't really made the case for this dude being a fraud other than based on his unpolishedness.

I wish this brother can deliver. That would be a good thing.



>after they found Umar's doctorate online. Considering they
>based their ire around the fact that he wasn't a doctor,
>that's hilarious.


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150. "LOL @ you as "skeptical""
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you'll believe in any nigga that ain't shit as long as they show you that they ain't shit.

that's not skepticism.

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