Isn't entirely productive. I don't think any real good comes either way. I guess I was speaking from the perspective of whites as they tend to adhere to race as a real thing more than others since their way of life depends on it.

>>I agree with Neely Fuller Jr that in reality
>>it just breaks down to white and not white as far as how the
>>system views people not of mostly European backgrounds.

>I agree with him to some extent, but I also think
>there are levels to it. I also agree with Frances
>Cress Welsing that Black men pose the biggest threat
>to their genetic annihilation... hence our disproportionate
>victimization.

Inside of America I would agree, but beyond that I tend to think that statement is exaggerated. People who could identify as white have been around for a long time and I don't think in a global sense there is this fear of black masses crossing the mediterranean to take the land and blot out the people.

And because of that victimization, we tend
>to have more "radical" views in our opposition to the
>system. The fact that race was created and is exercised
>in hierarchical terms corroborates this view.

Sure, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

>
>>Regarding Logic I don't know what white people view him as
>but
>>as Fuller states it's that culture which defines who is
>white
>>and who is not. If 6 out of 10 whites say Logic is not white
>>-- he's not white within their system.
>
>
>Show those white people this picture:
>https://goodblacknews.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/rashida-jones.jpg
>
>Then show them a pic of Kelly Rowland and then ask them
>which one is the white woman.

That would make for an interesting test, but I think you understand what I'm saying. There is a reason why people like Rachida in the past would hide their heritage. To the white people that value 100% European ancestry they will find out or try their hardest to and if and when they do find out it's curtains. For example Logic no matter how successful or how white he looks isn't marrying into Jeff Sessions or Mitch O'Connells family.

>
>
>This is pretty much respectability politics... something
>I'm not completely against, and I've never disagreed
>that we don't have to view ourselves the way white ppl do.

I'm sorry you see it that way. The truth is there has been much damage done to our culture and it's in need of repair. White people are not going to fix that as their systems are responsible for much of that damage. You can take the African American element out the equation entirely and you would still have a system that perpetuated lasting cultural damage and continues to do as such against X group of people.

>I'm saying that the way we view ourselves isn't going to
>stop the system from viewing us the way it wants to view
>us, and excellence among ourselves isn't going to dismantle
>the system.

I'm not focusing on dismantling the system I'm more so focusing on building black people educated and fiscally savvy enough to exist apart from it. Perhaps out of that an organization could arise that could in someway dismantle the system but regardless it would take white people (or passing whites) and blacks working together and sustaining a very long term plan. I think it more effective to simply focus on building communities that can separate or distance from the negative aspects of the majority culture

If anything, it will intensify it. This is
>how the system reacts to Black progress. Asian and Jewish
>communities have a very different existence from Black
>descendants of slaves in America. VERY different, and
>I don't think it's a very constructive plan to compare
>our journey to theirs as if they've provided us a blueprint.

Again I am sorry that you read educate black people and build wealth as some sort of delusion. These are tools that were taken from our group how you can argue against regaining them because of the fallout of such is unfortunate. In Africa people are doing the same thing. I use those example because they work,. So what if white people try to attack it? Plan accordingly. It sounds like there is some kind of fear of reprisal you are typing about but again so what if thats the case. No group of people can not be outsmarted. Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much in this case.


>Yes, we should educate ourselves, but "false paradigms" of
>race don't disappear unless the system is dismantled, and
>that's not happening just because we engage in Black
>excellence
>in my estimation.
>If you disagree, it'll be most productive if we just
>agree to disagree at this point.

That is fine, but dismantling race is not really the entirety of what I was getting at, but now I understand from my initial statement why you may think that was the crux of my argument.


>>The problem with the culture mixing between African
>descended
>>Americans and non is one of value. If we increase the actual
>>and perceived value of the African descnded American we
>>increase the quality of the unions between such individuals.
>I
>>believe a child of mixed cultures who values their African
>>descended parent will or is likely to seek out African
>>descended partners. Americans of African descent that choose
>>mates counter to their culture have chosen poorly,
>selfishly,
>>or both but there are certainly non African cultured
>>individuals who are not antagonistic towards the culture who
>>are chosen as well.
>
>
>I disagree with that as well. First, value is decided
>by the dominant culture and that's currently white
>culture.

This is true, but it is also true that white people are not a monolith and I'm making the argument that the more truth one can display in their daily life will resonate with those that value truth and aid in dispelling the lies that the SOWS propagates. Here I would certainly agree that it is not enough to stop anything regarding racism but it can diminish it's potency to some extent.

Sure we can and should value ourselves. I don't
>think anyone would disagree with that. But this is much
>more of systemic issue than an individual one and the
>system is not conceding any value to Black people
>without a very intense fight.

agreed

I see biracial kids dating
>all the time, and I don't think I've ever seen any
>with anything other than white partners where I am (the
>south).
>That last bit is just my personal experience tho.

Fair. I think this story is still being written so we will have to wait. I do myself worry that we may just end up with another color caste similar to the DR but it doesn't have to be that way either.


>>The picture is not rosy but with the average empire
>lasting
>>300 years (America not far from that) and the longest being
>>500 odds are whatever plans the white majority have will not
>>come to fruition so the dying mule will die -- we just need
>to
>>keep our distance and not get kicked.
>
>I'm not psychic, nor do I claim to know all, but
>I'd not count on that being something we can be
>passive about.

Agree, but I don't believe passivity is what I'm promoting

Good discourse Boogie, I will hand off final comments to you.