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BrooklynWHAT
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"Woj: Harden to Brooklyn / Oladipo to Houston / Levert to Indy"
Wed Jan-13-21 04:35 PM by BrooklynWHAT

  

          

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1349463753465720836
figure we could use a separate thread for this big news

edit: added some other high line details


Sources: Full current trade:

Rockets: Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, 3 BKN first-rounders (22, 24, 26), 1 MIL first (22, unprotected), 4 BKN 1st round swaps (21, 23, 25, 27)

Nets: James Harden

Pacers: Caris LeVert, 2nd-rounder

Cavs: Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
3-Way deal with Cleveland
Jan 13th 2021
1
Houston will be fun to watch now that Silas can start coaching
Jan 13th 2021
3
damn, we got Allen for Exum and a Bucks pick?!!
Jan 13th 2021
7
      bruh yall came the fuck up w/ Jarrett
Jan 13th 2021
16
      Right.
Jan 13th 2021
17
           Drummond could be S&T bait in the offseason
Jan 13th 2021
24
                I doubt Drummond is in a Cavs uni come Valentine's Day.
Jan 13th 2021
39
                     yeah buyout's probably more likely
Jan 13th 2021
52
      congrats....y'all bout to have that 6th seed
Jan 13th 2021
19
damn, they shipped Caris
Jan 13th 2021
2
Chams BOMB!! Pacers sending Vic to Houston for Caris and more...
Jan 13th 2021
4
BRUH!! That's WILD!
Jan 13th 2021
5
it IS
Jan 13th 2021
10
i love this. levert is going to ball out. 25 shots/night easily
Jan 13th 2021
26
WTF Brooklyn....
Jan 13th 2021
6
Early thoughts: I cannot see this working out long term
Jan 13th 2021
8
OKC part 2 IMO
Jan 13th 2021
11
More like LA with Dwight, Kobe and nem
Jan 13th 2021
22
Honestly, that'd be a huge success.
Jan 13th 2021
35
Yeah, it's clearly for the short term regardless.
Jan 13th 2021
44
Agreed on both points
Jan 15th 2021
127
full trade deets...
Jan 13th 2021
9
BKN bout to give up 200ppg
Jan 13th 2021
12
lawd i hope they make the finals looooooool
Jan 13th 2021
13
      I was about to say:
Jan 13th 2021
14
           Have to wonder what deals were turned down
Jan 13th 2021
28
                prob dinwiddie and maybe a pick or two less
Jan 13th 2021
29
I am relieved he didn't land in Philly
Jan 13th 2021
15
LOL!
Jan 13th 2021
18
KD gonna play mad as fuck the rest of the year.
Jan 13th 2021
20
Harden for Allen, Levert, Prince, 3 1sts and 4 swaps...DAYUM
Jan 13th 2021
21
its fuck the nets from today on out.
Jan 13th 2021
23
L O L
Jan 13th 2021
25
Indiana came up
Jan 13th 2021
27
RE: Indiana came up
Jan 13th 2021
30
      nope...just had foot surgery like a week ago
Jan 13th 2021
31
Here for the drama with Harden in New York
Jan 13th 2021
32
them startenders will have him in a straight jacket lol
Jan 13th 2021
33
fam you know he already ran through all them
Jan 13th 2021
45
saw a tweet that said
Jan 13th 2021
41
Can the Nets afford Harden past his current deal?
Jan 13th 2021
34
They've got his bird rights now...they can go over the cap for him
Jan 13th 2021
36
Thanks for the breakdown
Jan 13th 2021
37
plus has 3 ball dominant players like this ever worked?
Jan 13th 2021
42
      Has there *ever* been a team with 3 guys this high in usage rate?
Jan 13th 2021
43
           Yes.
Jan 13th 2021
47
                Well, a quick fact check disproves several of these.
Jan 13th 2021
48
                     The point was a big three that was similar
Jan 13th 2021
51
Lol so every 1st rounder going to be playing in Houston & OKC
Jan 13th 2021
38
why are they covering the harden trade on nfl live? lol
Jan 13th 2021
40
they had me weak
Jan 13th 2021
49
Whats the other option... cut the show? Lol
Jan 13th 2021
50
      yes thats what channels normally do lol.
Jan 13th 2021
53
           covid. it's not like they have people just hanging out at the studio rn
Jan 13th 2021
55
                do yall watch espn anymore? (dont blame you if you dont lol)
Jan 14th 2021
64
so, assuming Kyrie comes back and is all in...
Jan 13th 2021
46
RE: so, assuming Kyrie comes back and is all in...
Jan 13th 2021
54
Probably Kyrie.
Jan 14th 2021
57
I see him logging a lot of minutes with the 2nd unit to make up for dept...
Jan 14th 2021
58
Defense and rebounding
Jan 14th 2021
56
Either Nets are putting a lot of faith in DeAndre Jordan or...
Jan 14th 2021
59
...or they've had enough of Kyrie and have more irons in the fire...
Jan 14th 2021
60
      I could definitely see Kyrie moving again
Jan 14th 2021
61
we're witness to the wackest player behavior era ever these last few yea...
Jan 14th 2021
62
the genie's out of the bottle. it will only continue
Jan 14th 2021
63
Naw, Kawhi and AD did the same thing.
Jan 14th 2021
65
Aaaaaannnnddd who is the pioneer of this pussified era?
Jan 14th 2021
66
Lebron James....easily.
Jan 14th 2021
67
bron did play out his contracts tho.
Jan 14th 2021
74
player empowerment snowballing into player entitlement.
Jan 14th 2021
68
.
Jan 14th 2021
69
If you mean who fathered this new era of the player mobility/power
Jan 14th 2021
73
      The same human being who asked Pat Riley
Jan 14th 2021
81
      how are you wrong so much?
Jan 14th 2021
88
           It's pretty straight-forward if you can read
Jan 14th 2021
99
           This right here.
Jan 14th 2021
110
                You can talk about it all you'd like
Jan 14th 2021
111
under the guise of player empowerment
Jan 14th 2021
71
How is this the "guise"
Jan 14th 2021
76
      No. It’s not the NATURE of the business.
Jan 14th 2021
83
           ...and players requests trades for business reasons too.
Jan 14th 2021
87
           Or Maybe I simply understand reciprocity
Jan 14th 2021
103
                yeah you're way off the rails with this
Jan 14th 2021
108
                     Giannis says hello.
Jan 14th 2021
109
                          Did Denver keep Melo?
Jan 14th 2021
113
                               Now I’m a republican and I’m anti-labor..
Jan 14th 2021
115
                                    I didn't say that either.
Jan 15th 2021
117
           ^^beware the company man^^
Jan 14th 2021
95
Are you suggesting he should be punished?
Jan 14th 2021
75
I love that you’re still such a pressed hoe who can’t leave me alone...
Jan 14th 2021
77
You always have so much to say
Jan 14th 2021
79
There’s no excuse for getting fat and not playing hard
Jan 14th 2021
78
desperate, sensitive, condescending CT reply coming in 3...2...1...
Jan 14th 2021
80
      You always have a lot to say about *me*
Jan 14th 2021
84
Man get the FOH
Jan 14th 2021
86
      You know how you're always talking about being civil
Jan 14th 2021
89
           What? I said FOH. I have zero problem with that.
Jan 14th 2021
101
                If you say so, lol
Jan 14th 2021
104
                     Or Maybe I just believe in maintaining composure.
Jan 14th 2021
107
yo lemme cry right quick for Tilman Fertitta, billionaire trump supporte...
Jan 14th 2021
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      ^^^^100
Jan 14th 2021
85
      ^^^^^ winner winner chicken dinner
Jan 14th 2021
91
      shit
Jan 14th 2021
92
      LOL!
Jan 14th 2021
98
      I admit I laughed
Jan 14th 2021
102
      I agree that he did not do right by the other people on that team
Jan 14th 2021
105
      lol. right? fuck MOST of them owners. really all, just on class solidari...
Jan 17th 2021
141
'James Hardees' was right there, can't believe I missed it.
Jan 14th 2021
70
lol
Jan 14th 2021
72
Lollll
Jan 14th 2021
90
Olive Harden
Jan 14th 2021
93
THIS
Jan 14th 2021
94
lol
Jan 14th 2021
100
This needs to be. A thing
Jan 15th 2021
119
James Hardly
Jan 14th 2021
96
James Partyin'
Jan 14th 2021
97
nuh. lmao. that can't be unheard. James Hardees it is. but Netsbeard
Jan 17th 2021
142
I see the usual players have their horrible takes in here.
Jan 14th 2021
106
People got jokes - but this is an embarrassment of riches
Jan 14th 2021
112
No it’s not.
Jan 14th 2021
114
Name a trio more offensively dominant.
Jan 14th 2021
116
      They haven’t played a single game together
Jan 15th 2021
118
           RE: They haven’t played a single game together
Jan 15th 2021
120
           again - we're simply talking about "on paper"
Jan 15th 2021
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                RE: again - we're simply talking about "on paper"
Jan 15th 2021
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                     RE: again - we're simply talking about "on paper"
Jan 15th 2021
125
                     RE: again - we're simply talking about "on paper"
Jan 15th 2021
126
                     thank you. Magic Worthy Kareem >> Brooklyn Big 3,
Jan 15th 2021
128
all 3 won't be able to get 25-30 a night somebody will have to step back...
Jan 15th 2021
122
usually when you have *this* much talent on a team, they figure it out
Jan 15th 2021
123
You're right, although the jokes are easy to understand.
Jan 16th 2021
129
      Yup - simply too much firepower that'll more than make up for lack of D
Jan 19th 2021
146
harden: 32/12/14 vs ORL in debut
Jan 16th 2021
130
He almost had a quadruple double with the the turnovers it will be...
Jan 16th 2021
131
how did he go back to being Harden from Hardee's?
Jan 16th 2021
132
tanking it in HOU when they didn't trade him quickly enough
Jan 17th 2021
134
Historically, i've been a Harden hater on oks but I was legit impressed
Jan 17th 2021
133
Isn’t Pringles an AC in BKN?
Jan 17th 2021
135
yes, Harden was top 2 or 3 in MVP voting every year with him so folks...
Jan 17th 2021
137
easier said than done...
Jan 17th 2021
136
What a bratty little punk
Jan 17th 2021
138
lakers can outscore them or lock them down.
Jan 17th 2021
139
      Lol at “lock them down”
Jan 17th 2021
140
      ... the "lock them down" claim is a bold one.
Jan 18th 2021
145
Caris Levert has a growth on his kidney...sidelined indefinitely....
Jan 17th 2021
143
I read that was why Indiana got the 2nd rounder
Jan 17th 2021
144

Oak27
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1. "3-Way deal with Cleveland"
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Reporting w/ @RamonaShelburne: Brooklyn’s acquiring James Harden in a three-way deal with Cleveland. Caris LeVert, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, four 1st round picks – including Cavs’ 2022 first via Bucks -- and 4 Nets pick swaps to Rockets. Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince to Cavs.

  

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3. "Houston will be fun to watch now that Silas can start coaching"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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7. "damn, we got Allen for Exum and a Bucks pick?!!"
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and Taurean Prince?

Shit, Cavs might just see playoffs!!

  

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16. "bruh yall came the fuck up w/ Jarrett"
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breh stuck splitting time w/ Deandre bc of team politics. he'll flourish in cleveland.

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17. "Right."
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It's Drummond insurance, and JaVale is legit happy to be here so I'm cool with these 3 being the line up.

And when everyone's back? Man.

  

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24. "Drummond could be S&T bait in the offseason"
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I've been on team Allen and he lines up with the guys you have, age-wise

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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39. "I doubt Drummond is in a Cavs uni come Valentine's Day. "
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52. "yeah buyout's probably more likely"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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19. "congrats....y'all bout to have that 6th seed"
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One Hundred.

  

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2. "damn, they shipped Caris"
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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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4. "Chams BOMB!! Pacers sending Vic to Houston for Caris and more..."
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1349465741347721216?s=20

when I threw the rifle in the river,
it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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5. "BRUH!! That's WILD!"
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10. "it IS"
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when I threw the rifle in the river,
it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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26. "i love this. levert is going to ball out. 25 shots/night easily"
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brogdon has always seemed best as a facilitator and complementary piece to a true scorer. sabonis can't be stopped by anyone lately. IND offense looks great rn

HOU keeps collecting players coming off catastrophic leg injuries. wall, cousins, oladipo, nwaba. fertitta is a miserly fake money loser. i feel bad for silas having to coach this ragtag bunch of misfits. maybe he pulls it off and gets HOU to the play-in. i hope fertitta dies of asphyxiation as he chokes on a chicken bone at one of his shitty chain restaurants when everything opens up again

  

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6. "WTF Brooklyn...."
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They're trying to collect every headcase superstar they can.......this shit is going to erupt in nuclear proportions....I'm not the biggest LeBron fan by any means but the way these niggas have been acting has mad my respect for him go way up.

Dream with your eyes open.....

  

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8. "Early thoughts: I cannot see this working out long term"
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You do it 100/100 times, no question...but...

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'19-'20 Bubble Lakers

X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X

2020 NBA Champions

  

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11. "OKC part 2 IMO"
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22. "More like LA with Dwight, Kobe and nem"
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One Hundred.

  

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35. "Honestly, that'd be a huge success."
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The fact is, that team had a finals appearance, SHOULD have kept it together and made at least another 2 finals for a ring or two. Hell, it almost happened without Harden!

This...this I do not see working nearly as well.

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44. "Yeah, it's clearly for the short term regardless."
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Like, all it takes is one ill-timed Anthony Davis ankle sprain, and they'd be in great fucking position to win a title in the next 2-3 years. They certainly have the personnel to win the East for multiple years if everything clicks.

Those 2025/26 picks are going to be BEAUTIFUL for Houston. They're not gonna feel the full impact of this trade for half a decade, but boy will it pay off.

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127. "Agreed on both points"
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>You do it 100/100 times, no question...but...

I mean if I were them I would’ve fought as hard as possible to keep Allen, but yeah, this is a deal you kinda have to do but it also feels doomed with the personalities involved. Maybe it’s a situation where winning cures all so those personalities won’t clash, but idk. I think this will be REALLY tough for a new coach to keep it all together.

I like what the Rockets, Pacers, and Cavs got out of it though.

  

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9. "full trade deets..."
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1349467665631490050?s=20

when I threw the rifle in the river,
it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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12. "BKN bout to give up 200ppg"
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DJ can't guard errybody...and even he's not what he used to be

Love the trade...for the 6ers

This will not end well for BKN.

cotdayum...they gave it all

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13. "lawd i hope they make the finals looooooool"
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we are going to skullfuck them.

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14. "I was about to say:"
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....no one beating the Lakers still

  

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28. "Have to wonder what deals were turned down"
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HOU lost leverage the longer he stayed in HOU

and the day after he threw the whole team under the bus

HOU got THAT!?!

BKN giving up picks for the rest of the decade

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29. "prob dinwiddie and maybe a pick or two less"
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i mean the only thing that changed from our AD deal over 6 months is that we got to keep kuzma.

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15. "I am relieved he didn't land in Philly"
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Seems like Cavs are in that Nuggets role of the Howard deal of getting something for almost nothing here.

This is the new thing, sell our your entire future for a star. Seven years of either not having a pick or ensuring you have a low first.

That they didn't have to trade Irving may strike some as a huge bonus but I dunno. They gut their bench and now have three guys are ball-dominant.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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18. "LOL!"
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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20. "KD gonna play mad as fuck the rest of the year. "
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I feel sorry for dude....did all that meticulous rehab and show up to see Kyrie standing in front of the stadium like this:


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21. "Harden for Allen, Levert, Prince, 3 1sts and 4 swaps...DAYUM"
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when I threw the rifle in the river,
it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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23. "its fuck the nets from today on out."
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25. "L O L "
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27. "Indiana came up"
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Brogdon-Levert-Warren-Sabonis-Turner.

That’s a squad. That’s a motherfocking squad.

A long climb up for my Bulls. The central just became even harder.

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30. "RE: Indiana came up"
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Is Warren healthy?

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31. "nope...just had foot surgery like a week ago"
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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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32. "Here for the drama with Harden in New York"
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yeah houston has strip clubs but new york is on a different level with nightlife. dude is already getting fat and this is just going to accelerate the transformation into late stage shawn kemp.

these dudes are going to be able to coast through the regular season and there is no way that harden doesn't show up to work hungover at least 40% of the time.

  

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33. "them startenders will have him in a straight jacket lol"
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45. "fam you know he already ran through all them "
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back when they were actually poppin.

that winny chick at starlets was sending subliminals about him fucking her coworker while he was fucking her yearsss ago.

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41. "saw a tweet that said"
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"at least the Nets jerseys are slimming" and it is spot on.


  

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34. "Can the Nets afford Harden past his current deal?"
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He's going to have to take a slim paycut for the Nets to extend his current contract, no?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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36. "They've got his bird rights now...they can go over the cap for him"
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Now WILL they? Dunno.

But he's making 41/44/47 over this + the next two if he picks up his option.

Durant is at 39/40/42 with the same player option

Kyrie is at 33/34/36 with the same.

So right today, they're paying 113 for those 3 this year, and 118 next year (125 if they all pick up their options in 2022-23) and the cap is 112 this year. I believe the luxury tax limit is 143, but with ONLY Joe Harris (16), Dinwiddie (11), DJ (10)...they're already at 150 this year.

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37. "Thanks for the breakdown"
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With all those picks they gave up, they pretty much have to go all in for Durant, Kyrie, and Harden at this point in terms of re-signing them.

So wild that Brooklyn was able to salvage some relative success after those insane draft pick laden deals to get Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett just to make a similar deal. The Nets have to win at least one ring so this move doesn't blow up in their faces.

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42. "plus has 3 ball dominant players like this ever worked?"
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I wonder if the Nets doubting Kyrie would ever be full-time contributed to this.

Because there is such a thing as diminishing returns- especially considering what they gave up. When their skills overlap like this?

Add in the basket cases, lack of defense, etc?

Ironically, Brooklyn has become the Rockets of the east...just throwing shit at the wall.






  

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43. "Has there *ever* been a team with 3 guys this high in usage rate?"
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I imagine the answer is easily no.

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47. "Yes."
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Shaq/Kobe/Malone

Bosh/Wade/Lebron

Baylor/West/Wilt

Harden/KD/Russ

KD/Steph/Thompson

Garnett/Allen/Pierce

Especially SHaq/Kobe/Malone True elite number 1 options
Malone 2nd in career points/ Kobe 4th in career points/ Shaq 8th in career points

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48. "Well, a quick fact check disproves several of these. "
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Kyrie, KD, and Harden all have *career* usage rates of over 29. So...

"Bosh/Wade/Lebron

KD/Steph/Thompson

Garnett/Allen/Pierce"

Thompson's never cracked 29. Bosh never cracked 29, not even in Toronto. Allen cracked 29 once, but was well below that for his career. So these are all pretty quickly ruled out as answers to the question.

"Harden/KD/Russ"

Harden's usage barely cracked 20 when he was on this team as a young player. Unless you're arguing the OKC team should count because Harden became a high usage player later. Which, okay... but the OKC didn't play with three 29+ usage rate players. So this also doesn't apply.

"Shaq/Kobe/Malone"

This is the best contemporary example-- although I'd argue that, since Malone was 40 and was below a usage of 29 the last two seasons of his career before LA, that's a very different situation than what's going on in Brooklyn right now.

"Baylor/West/Wilt"

I mean, sure, but Baylor was scoring like 10 PPG at that point. Like the Malone example, it's pretty clear that both Baylor and Wilt were nearing the end, which is different than what's going on now.

So the last two examples I mentioned-- yes, these are teams with three players with usage rates as high as KD/Kyrie/Harden's. Different situations, but they technically check the boxes.

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51. "The point was a big three that was similar"
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And you weren’t specific. Career usage, season usage, what?

And you said the answer was “easily no”, which is wrong.

If it’s career usage, which is the only thing you could be referring to,
because season usage makes zero sense

So Career Usage: Kobe/Shaq/Malone win hands down.

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38. "Lol so every 1st rounder going to be playing in Houston & OKC"
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40. "why are they covering the harden trade on nfl live? lol"
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i understand having to break the news but you aint gotta go into full commentary/opinion.

orlovsky said he hopes the news of a deshaun watson trade breaks during the jump lol.

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49. "they had me weak "
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i dont think ive ever seen them just break in the middle of a show to have the people talk about another sport

kinda strange actually it doesnt feel like theres any buzz for the nfl rn

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50. "Whats the other option... cut the show? Lol"
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People were prolly specifically turning on the tv bc of the trade

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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53. "yes thats what channels normally do lol."
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literally what espn has been doing for decades.

*breaking news* then cut to stephen a or woj or whoever talking about what happened. then resume the normal show.

not break it then debate it on a show that covers an entirely other sport lol.

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55. "covid. it's not like they have people just hanging out at the studio rn"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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64. "do yall watch espn anymore? (dont blame you if you dont lol)"
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they cut from the program to schefty/woj/etc in remote locations all the time. its a routine occurrence.

theyve been doing this all through the pandemic. plus they have people in the studio all the time now anyway...like this show and every other one).

thats why *this* particular situation stood out (and why orlovsky took a jab at it). because it was so abnormal compared to what they have been doing.

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46. "so, assuming Kyrie comes back and is all in..."
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who plays the "Chris Bosh" of this trio? That's not any kind of joke of pejorative.

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54. "RE: so, assuming Kyrie comes back and is all in..."
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If all three of those guys are on the floor at the same time KD might never see the ball.

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57. "Probably Kyrie."
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KD came to Brooklyn to be unequivocal "Man"; he's not going to be the third option. And I don't see Harden giving up shots. Assuming Kyrie buys in, it's logical he'd take the next step and work to facilitate the other two.

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58. "I see him logging a lot of minutes with the 2nd unit to make up for dept..."
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Basically doing what he did in Houston

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56. "Defense and rebounding"
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wins in the playoffs moreso than regular season.

For all the 3 point shooters Golden State had, their defense and rebounding was top level.

Can't say that for Nets.

They should make the Finals tho.

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59. "Either Nets are putting a lot of faith in DeAndre Jordan or..."
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...they think they can get a Center midseason (Javale McGee?)

Otherwise, this team is going to need to average 125 points a game.

  

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60. "...or they've had enough of Kyrie and have more irons in the fire..."
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At least Harden looks like he wants to play

But how can these 2 guys co-exist on the same team given the off-court stuff...

Kyrie opted out of the bubble last year
...came in this year...
Refusing to do media
Taking 'personal' time away from the team...apparently w/o notifiying anyone in the organization as to why
and being put in the protocol for SM posts of him violating covid measures

With Harden having done alladat too...don't they have to send a message that that $hit don't play here

I think Harden and KD will work incredibly well together on the court

Does BKN move Kyrie to reup the supporting cast...that will be desperately needed?

Both Kyrie and KD will need some load management this year
Then you're putting all your eggs in that basket for the playoffs

...just some things to consider before the dust settles...

Did Kyrie make himself expendable?

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61. "I could definitely see Kyrie moving again"
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62. "we're witness to the wackest player behavior era ever these last few yea..."
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Harden is the tipping point. They made him the centerpiece of the franchise, mortgaged their future at every turn to satisfy him year over year, and remained nimble in every offseason to placate his needs (CP3, no, Westbrook, no, Wall, no)

he paid them back by acting like a c*nt and brazenly and publicly partying in the days leading up to the season, with wanton disregard for any of his peers. They've got a first year coach there (a black coach mind you) who's earned his position and Harden didn't give a fuck.

How was he punished for his wildly selfish and potentially dangerous behavior? He was shipped to the very team he wanted all along.

This is like AD and Jimmy Butler on steroids. AT least those guys still always played hard. Harden disrespected everyone AND the sport itself by showing up fat and barely trying.

How did it come to this point where guys can just act like brats and get their way? These guys are insufferable man.

  

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63. "the genie's out of the bottle. it will only continue"
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look at Beal he out here balling hard and not complaining, and just dying in Washington. he need to throw his temper tantrum and get to a good team.

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65. "Naw, Kawhi and AD did the same thing."
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AD faked injuries to stay off the court, and acted a fool off the court. Kawhi refused to play when he was cleared by Spurs doctors, and he broke off communication at times. He also alienated his teammates, who also questioned his injury.

All of them are guilty for throwing tantrums to get traded.

It’s quite unprofessional.

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66. "Aaaaaannnnddd who is the pioneer of this pussified era?"
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yeah

  

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67. "Lebron James....easily."
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Goat of the crybaby era.

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74. "bron did play out his contracts tho."
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in fact...he prolly got more hate for playing until his contract expired instead of giving a heads up about his intention in advance so the team could move accordingly.

and nobody can dispute whether he went out there and actually competed to win a title instead of sabotaging a locker room.

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68. "player empowerment snowballing into player entitlement."
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69. "."
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73. "If you mean who fathered this new era of the player mobility/power"
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- for sure. Bron paved the way for all his disciples to follow in his footsteps and take their careers into their own hands. Of course, they aren't doing it as effectively - but if you yearn for the days when franchise owners had all the power - you can always re-play the good old days on NBA TV's legendary nights.

But Bron didn't start the super-team era (this is an oft-repeated misconception) - Boston did. The diff. there was that Ainge orchestrated that move while the players were the passive beneficiaries. Pierce, Ray & KG set off the super-team trend, and Bron faced that superteam with 0 all-stars to his side, and he didn't find it prudent to wait for Dan Gilbert to be competent (particularly after 7 years).

I guess Bron could've been like KG and waited 11 years instead of 7 - but he (correctly) decided to impose his creative will on his basketball future, and rightfully so.

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81. "The same human being who asked Pat Riley "
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to fire Erik Spoelstra, and Pat Riley told him to sit his ass down. So he went back
to Cleveland because Pat Riley wouldn’t allow him to be GM of the team.

Lebron is a sincere, standup guy, though.

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88. "how are you wrong so much? "
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Do you just not know things or do you lie to yourself or what? Its fucking weird.

Boston didn't start super teams. Owners have tried super teams for a long time...hell back to LA nabbing Wilt. Just off the top Barkley to Houston, Payton/Malone to LA, etc. It just rarely works.

What Ainge did was in no way new or ground breaking. He made some good moves and won a chip. What's rare about Ainge is it worked, and it is a credit to Doc and KG for playing his role imo.

Lebron didn't invent players taking their careers into their own hands, either. Free agency has been a big deal since at least Shaq and Alonzo. Kobe never left LA, but he certainly used his power to take control of his career.

Do you think Lebron invented free agency?

What Lebron did make popular is using free agency and friendships to squad up and build super teams to make it easier to win.

Now, the league has come a very long way in regards to player power and that is a great thing to be celebrated.

Lebron helped make it more popular/acceptable. And he never acted the way Harden just did...so again, props to Bron.


But from a b-ball perspective, its pretty fucking corny though.


We can disagree on that last point, but the rest is just facts.

Why do you think you need to lie/exaggerate/make shit up for some weird Lebron agenda?

He doesn't need you to lie for him.

Or do you just not know this shit? You seriously post like you just started watching b-ball in like 08 and never bothered to learn at all about what happened before then or think critically beyond "I heart Bron I heart Bron I heart Bron"



>- for sure. Bron paved the way for all his disciples to
>follow in his footsteps and take their careers into their own
>hands. Of course, they aren't doing it as effectively - but
>if you yearn for the days when franchise owners had all the
>power - you can always re-play the good old days on NBA TV's
>legendary nights.
>
>But Bron didn't start the super-team era (this is an
>oft-repeated misconception) - Boston did. The diff. there was
>that Ainge orchestrated that move while the players were the
>passive beneficiaries. Pierce, Ray & KG set off the super-team
>trend, and Bron faced that superteam with 0 all-stars to his
>side, and he didn't find it prudent to wait for Dan Gilbert to
>be competent (particularly after 7 years).
>
>I guess Bron could've been like KG and waited 11 years instead
>of 7 - but he (correctly) decided to impose his creative will
>on his basketball future, and rightfully so.
>
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99. "It's pretty straight-forward if you can read"
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We're talking about Bron paving the way for labor rights/player mobility - and what he did was something groundbreaking in the NBA that changed the landscape and balance of power (away from owners and towards superstar players).

Were there teams that tried to compile super-teams before Boston? Sure - but they were unsuccessful and largely put superstars together after they were washed - like the Houston team w/ Chuck (although you forgot to mention that Pippen joined that squad as well) - but that team featured stars who were largely washed. When the Celtics super trio teamed up - they were still reasonably in their primes. It wasn't just an after-thought last ditch effort like Malone/GP to L.A. or Chuck/Pip to Houston.

But do continue w/ the childish hyperbole.



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110. "This right here."
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Thu Jan-14-21 09:43 PM by RandomFact

  

          

This below is a fact. He's going down as top-5 and rightfully so but this is very much a thing. A thing that will ultimately be forgotten (it kinda already has been). But talking about this shouldn't be vilified. It's something that legitimately happened.

>What Lebron did make popular is using free agency and
>friendships to squad up and build super teams to make it
>easier to win.

I'm gonna go on record here as not anti-Bron. I respect how he's grown as a person. Seems like a genuinely good dude and at the end of the day that''s the most important thing. Also, I could care less about the GOAT debate so I gots no agenda.

  

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111. "You can talk about it all you'd like"
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>This below is a fact. But talking about
>this shouldn't be vilified. It's something that legitimately
>happened.
>
>>What Lebron did make popular is using free agency and
>>friendships to squad up and build super teams to make it
>>easier to win.

People who feel some kind of way about "The Decision" will always cite that as why they "don't like" LeBron - but it's silly (and almost always absent of context).

Had Bron been fortunate enough to have been drafted by a world-class organization (or at least been drafted by a franchise that could one day become world-class) - then he could've stayed in Cleveland and attracted a HoF caliber all-star. Cleveland couldn't do it, so he really had no choice but to take matters into his own.

He didn't get drafted by the Lakers like Magic; or the Celtics like Bird. Nor did he get drafted by an org that learned to be world-class and competently surrounded him with championship pieces (like Jordan in Chicago) -- the Cavs were an abysmal franchise during his first 7 years - and weren't much better during his second 4-year stint.

Also - it's not as if that Miami team he joined with Wade was a great team. They were far removed from the 2006 title team and were either missing the playoffs entirely or getting trounced in the 1st round.

Hating on LeBron because he went to Miami for four years is petty - and blind to the realities of his particular situation in Cleveland.



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71. "under the guise of player empowerment "
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_______________________________________________
"Mindless populism embodied by Trump and Sanders are like a malignant wart on our body politic"

  

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76. "How is this the "guise" "
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Player after player after player sees the writing on the wall, decides they're done with the situation, and makes their decision known to management.

Owner after owner after owner thinks they can control the situation, watches the situation deteriorate, still tries to hold on, and then the players finally force their hand by making it untenable for everyone.

Then the trade happens, and often enough, to the originally preferred destination anyways.

For every Harden who forces his way out of a situation and causes dorks all over the country to lose their shit at his "entitlement", there's a Blake Griffin, who signs with an expectation that this is home for the next 4-5 years of his life, before getting shipped halfway across the country, and people barely blink at it

That's the nature of the business, and it goes both ways.

  

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83. "No. It’s not the NATURE of the business."
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What man can make man can unmake. Period.

There is a way to conduct business, and there is a way to not conduct business. And teams trade players for business reasons, meaning what they feel is best for the team.

These immature players are demanding trades because they can’t have their way, or because they want to play with their friends. They want to be GMs and have a say in the business operations of the team, when they signed a contract to be a basketball player.

Now had they signed to be a player/coach, or player/gm, which has been done before, that’s different. You signed to play basketball, so be a basketball player.

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87. "...and players requests trades for business reasons too."
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>What man can make man can unmake. Period.
>
>There is a way to conduct business, and there is a way to not
>conduct business. And teams trade players for business
>reasons, meaning what they feel is best for the team.

Players requests trades for business reasons as well: moving on to a team they feel is best for themselves.

It's funny, you seem perfectly fine with the owners having this luxury.

>These immature players are demanding trades because they
>can’t have their way, or because they want to play with
>their friends.

Really? That's it? Those are the ONLY reasons?

Note how honorably you frame this from a management perspective, and how, for players, you frame it as selfishly and myopically as possible, as though you're privy to all of their inner thoughts and motivations.

>They want to be GMs and have a say in the
>business operations of the team, when they signed a contract
>to be a basketball player.

When Blake signed with the Clippers, he signed a contract with the Clippers.

Not the Detroit Pistons.

But, yet again, you frame this very neatly from the management side.

You're objectively wrong at every step of the way, due to a glaring, contextually ignorant pro-management perspective.

  

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103. "Or Maybe I simply understand reciprocity "
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There must be a balance in everything in life for there to be longevity.

There must be giving from both ends of the spectrum, hence, the saying
“ a good business deal is when both sides feel as if they gave something.”

It is the balance of business, and every man should know it. You can’t have GOOD
business without it.





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108. "yeah you're way off the rails with this"
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>There must be a balance in everything in life for there to be
>longevity.
>
>There must be giving from both ends of the spectrum, hence,
>the saying
>“ a good business deal is when both sides feel as if they
>gave something.”

This is all awfully nice sounding. Truly, great ideals.

They're just not always practical, and every business deal isn't going to work out that way.

Especially in the NBA.

Especially when you have a union, and partners thatbare far more viable and irreplaceable than any owner could ever be, and all these master-of-the-universe owners don't get to rule with the iron fist they surely love to fantasize.

>It is the balance of business, and every man should know it.
>You can’t have GOOD
>business without it.

All this business philosophy 101 shit sounds great at a seminar, or your morning motivational podcast while you jog.

This shit isn't real estate. It's not a deal on a car.

  

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109. "Giannis says hello."
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Lillard just sent you a postcard, too.


There is a way to conduct business without being a disturbance. So you’re wrong.

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113. "Did Denver keep Melo? "
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>Lillard just sent you a postcard, too.
>
>
>There is a way to conduct business without being a
>disturbance. So you’re wrong.

Was Giannis demanding a trade?
Was Dame demanding a trade?

Did either of those guys say they were done and wanted out?

I don't know the answer to that. But let's say they did.

Those two represent that situations that, at least up to now, worked out.

Correct?

So what was I wrong about, exactly?

Because my overarching point was....

"Every business deal doesnt work out that way"

For every Giannis, there's AD.
For every Dame, there's Paul George.

That doesn't mean that there aren't ways to do business without being a disturbance- but that's also not what I said to begin with.

But it does mean that I'm absolutely right.

Because, as I said, every business deal isn't going to work out geat for both sides. That's not even a debatable point. It's just a brte f in fact of life.

You're also presenting a very Republican, anti-labor, pro-management stance. Hey, do you.

  

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115. "Now I’m a republican and I’m anti-labor.."
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All because I believe in being a professional and conducting business without creating
UNNECESSARY agitation.

.


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117. "I didn't say that either."
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I'm talking within the context of this specific discussion, about this specific subject, involving these specific parties.

But then, given the way you continually misrepresent the things I'm actually saying in order to arrive at a conclusion that doesnt match my actual words... who knows.

  

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95. "^^beware the company man^^"
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..LOL!




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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75. "Are you suggesting he should be punished?"
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>How was he punished for his wildly selfish and potentially
>dangerous behavior? He was shipped to the very team he wanted
>all along.

Punishment for the COVID shit, sure, per whatever the league rules are for that.

but the rest?

Dude gave them seven incredible seasons.
Shit wasn't working, and he wanted out.

Fuck the owners. It's unfortunate for fans and teammates, but if these guys had a better, more reasonable path out, perhaps with ownership that has a vested interest in their players in a way where they say, OK, we'll work on a way to get you out of here.

But that rarely happens, and so players have to use other methods.

Owners in these situations are in denial, and think they can control these situations.

They can't, nor should they.

Players have leverage, and they fucking exercise it.

As they should.


>This is like AD and Jimmy Butler on steroids.

What?

>guys still always played hard. Harden disrespected everyone
>AND the sport itself by showing up fat and barely trying.
>
>How did it come to this point where guys can just act like
>brats and get their way? These guys are insufferable man.

Act like brats?

You really got a way with making an extra effort to shit on successful Black men while putting that extra english on it.

You asked if TI knew he was a loser.
You called Kawhi bitch made.

Now you're asking how it is that Harden, and, apparently, "guys", can act like brats to get their way.

You're acting awfully mad that the players, who are *partners* in this motherfucking league and not merely employees, have some measure of power beyond simply waiting for a contract to run it's course.

A team can ship a team to any other team, at any time, for any reason.

You sound mad that players aren't completely boxed in, with a lack of leverage.

The brat, the bitch, the loser here is... you. Because every word you type feels like the next is about to be "these guys need to just shut up and play the game like they're told".

  

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77. "I love that you’re still such a pressed hoe who can’t leave me alone..."
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Death
Taxes
Cold Truth still miserable

  

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79. "You always have so much to say"
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But never anything at all to say when the problems with your loud and wrong bullshit gets broken down.

That you consistently express the dumbest, lowest common denominator perspectives on everything, at all times, with few exceptions, has nothing at all to do with how anyone else feels.

  

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78. "There’s no excuse for getting fat and not playing hard"
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and being out partying during a pandemic.

He’s a clown and clearly fell short as a franchise player. He’s not built for it.

  

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80. "desperate, sensitive, condescending CT reply coming in 3...2...1..."
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84. "You always have a lot to say about *me*"
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But you never have anything to say about what I've actually said.

Again, objective observations about the things you say have nothing to do with me.

There's nothing desperate, sensitive, condescending, or even miserable about that😘

  

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86. "Man get the FOH"
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They gave him everything he asked for, everything. They were even going to build
a restaurant for that dude.

They were going to give him a record 50 mil a year...dude they did everything
to satisfy him, everything..

And he focked them.

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89. "You know how you're always talking about being civil"
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And how you're always clutching your pearls whenever someone gets remotely passionate when they speak to you?

Yeah, that's a facade. I see you, sunshine

Just be yourself, like you are now.

That aside, nah.

None of what you said makes a bit of difference.

In fact, that's a good argument to ship him out. It was a mutually beneficial relationship for it's time, and that time is up.

They did everything, right?
Got him other all stars, right?

What did that net, ultimately?

The shit didn't work out. This year was going to be no different.

Everything you're saying makes a great case not only for management to trade him, but to be eager to do so.

But they wanted to control the situation, and the narrative, and like it does pretty much every time this situation happens.... they wound up trading him anyways.

What happened when Paul George wanted out?
Did holding on for dear life result in him staying in Indy?

Did that long, drawn out ordeal with Kawhi result in him staying with the Spurs?

Did AD stay with the Pels?

Did Denver keep Melo?

Some of those situations played out better than others, but nobody really got anything notably better than they would have gotten had they made the deal earlier than they actually did.

  

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101. "What? I said FOH. I have zero problem with that."
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It’s the name calling I don’t do. You can be as passionate as you want.

Attacking each other and all that stupid stuff, miss me with it.

But other than that, it’s whatever.

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104. "If you say so, lol"
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You get pissy over the slightest spike in temperament.

Personally, I think that's just some diversionary shit that you do to avoid having to address the details of your really, truly, deeply, terribly bad arguments.

  

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107. "Or Maybe I just believe in maintaining composure. "
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Maybe it’s just that simple. But I really don’t expect you to comprehend that, because every conversation with you turns into some psyche evaluation.

This verbal exchange proves it. You went from discussing the Harden/Rockets
fallout to human behavioral patterns.

It’s quite alarming.


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82. "yo lemme cry right quick for Tilman Fertitta, billionaire trump supporte..."
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fuck you and fuck anyone who thinks like this, you're a lil bitch


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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85. "^^^^100"
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91. "^^^^^ winner winner chicken dinner"
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------------------
One Hundred.

  

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92. "shit"
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.

when I threw the rifle in the river,
it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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98. "LOL!"
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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102. "I admit I laughed "
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Hey man, F Tillman Fertitta always OBVIOUSLY

But he’s disrespecting teammates and playing with peoples lives , no? How is he not acting like an entitled punk? It’s gross

  

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105. "I agree that he did not do right by the other people on that team"
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silas, etc.

but their problem is what it was even if harden had done everything right.

the organization is owned and led by a jackass. and harden wanting out is a direct result of jackass #1 at the top

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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141. "lol. right? fuck MOST of them owners. really all, just on class solidari..."
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but most b/c of ideology, etc.


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70. "'James Hardees' was right there, can't believe I missed it. "
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  

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72. "lol"
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90. "Lollll "
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That has to to be booze fat

I don’t get how a person can burn that many calories on a damn near daily basis and still get chubby. I’m also not a doctor.

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93. "Olive Harden"
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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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94. "THIS"
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Holy hell is that a good one

  

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100. "lol "
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119. "This needs to be. A thing "
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96. "James Hardly"
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...Tryin'

  

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97. "James Partyin'"
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142. "nuh. lmao. that can't be unheard. James Hardees it is. but Netsbeard"
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came back lookin like he off that vodka and slimfast


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106. "I see the usual players have their horrible takes in here."
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Carry on.

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112. "People got jokes - but this is an embarrassment of riches"
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in terms of raw fire-power - this is (on paper) the most gifted trio in the sport's history. It may not meld as well as the Splash Bros x KD - but KD/Kyrie/Harden will - on most nights - simply overwhelm teams by creating nightmare mismatches on the offensive end.

All three are not just elite play-makers/iso one-on-one marvels, but all three are elite sharp-shooters. You can't just shut down Harden now like teams had figured out through zones/schemes - because KD is just as/if not more dangerous. And then Kyrie is your third wheel? Ridiculous talent.

Their defense may be sub-standard - but it won't matter in most instances. If they remain healthy - they will be a problem.

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114. "No it’s not."
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No matter how you want to incorrectly describe it. Two of those players are volume chuckers, with zero knowledge of playing defense. Basketball is a two way effort. Also take a trip down basketball history.

I still don’t put them ahead of Milwaukee, Philly or Boston, because of their lack of defense.

But go ahead and hype this shit up.




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116. "Name a trio more offensively dominant. "
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Obviously the defensive deficiencies are there. But in terms of pure offensive firepower - name a trio more deadly. GSW for sure. Who else?


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118. "They haven’t played a single game together "
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And you’ve anointed them as the greatest in history already

Slow down man


>Obviously the defensive deficiencies are there. But in terms
>of pure offensive firepower - name a trio more deadly. GSW
>for sure. Who else?
>
>
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120. "RE: They haven’t played a single game together "
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>And you’ve anointed them as the greatest in history
>already
>
>Slow down man
>
>
>>Obviously the defensive deficiencies are there. But in
>terms
>>of pure offensive firepower - name a trio more deadly. GSW
>>for sure. Who else?
>>
>>
>>-->
>

They SHOULD be able to cause huge problems for teams with any defensive liabilities. But if we’re being honest, we have to strongly consider that at least 1 of them isn’t above being an asshole and ruining this thing for selfish reasons.

Ie: if Harden really is out of shape, can he turn it on, evade injury, and understand that this shit isn’t gonna be Club Harden (professionalism, hard work, you’re gonna get told to do better at certain shit, you’re not gonna get to dribble in one spot like a jackass to rest 8 possessions in a row without someone cussing at you, etcetera)?

Bigger ie: is Kyrie mentally going to be willing and able to come back and do the work to make this work?

Biggest Ie: is there ANYONE there who can and will say the right cuss words in the right order and tone to get/keep this train on the tracks? Are we assuming that KD is gonna be down to babysit these dudes and convince them that they’re all bitches if they don’t at least show up and show out on the East? Is KD’s momma gonna do it? Steve Nash? Someone else?

  

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121. "again - we're simply talking about "on paper""
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So I'm asking - on paper - name an offensive trio as powered as this one. Please go ahead.

  

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124. "RE: again - we're simply talking about "on paper""
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>So I'm asking - on paper - name an offensive trio as powered
>as this one. Please go ahead.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lakersnation.com/this-day-lakers-history-wilt-chamberlain-elgin-baylor-jerry-west-beat-suns-reach-western-conference-finals/2018/04/09/amp/

I know, they’re old and we didn’t get to know every time they were sad or every semi-famous ‘look at my booty please’-type broad they threw sausage on, but that’s 3 scoring and hooping ass sobs on a team at once. And even though they were later in their careers, they still rode on their enemiiiies pretty heavily.

Then, the 80s showtime lakers were what they were. Dudes damn near had to goon it up to stop them ever. And all of their big 3 scored like crazy. Oh, and those dudes won a lot too so there’s that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/socalsportschronicles.wordpress.com/2017/03/30/los-angeles-lakers-memories-from-the-1980s-showtime-era/amp/

And really, any ‘paper’ written about these Brooklyn dudes has to include and consider that at least two of them are known assholes who piss off their teammates regularly. And the best of the 3 doesn’t seem like the right guy to force the other 2 to act right for long enough to win anything. I hope I’m wrong cuz it would be fun to see.


  

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125. "RE: again - we're simply talking about "on paper""
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>>So I'm asking - on paper - name an offensive trio as
>powered
>>as this one. Please go ahead.
>
>https://www.google.com/amp/s/lakersnation.com/this-day-lakers-history-wilt-chamberlain-elgin-baylor-jerry-west-beat-suns-reach-western-conference-finals/2018/04/09/amp/

>I know, they’re old and we didn’t get to know every time
>they were sad or every semi-famous ‘look at my booty
>please’-type broad they threw sausage on, but that’s 3
>scoring and hooping ass sobs on a team at once. And even
>though they were later in their careers, they still rode on
>their enemiiiies pretty heavily.

Fair. Tough to argue w/ that. But if we have to go that far back then we're already conceding that this team has all-time level offensive talent, right?

>Then, the 80s showtime lakers were what they were. Dudes damn
>near had to goon it up to stop them ever. And all of their big
>3 scored like crazy. Oh, and those dudes won a lot too so
>there’s that.
>
>https://www.google.com/amp/s/socalsportschronicles.wordpress.com/2017/03/30/los-angeles-lakers-memories-from-the-1980s-showtime-era/amp/

The Showtime Lakers were far more balanced throughout than this top-heavy Brooklyn team, but in terms of just raw offensive scoring/firepower (as a trio)? I'd take this Brooklyn team. Kareem's prime was tailing off considerably at that point - Magic could score but was more of playmaker obviously - and big game James was a hell of a scorer, but not to the level of these guys.

But I don't think there's a chance this Brooklyn team can ever be as balanced and complimentary in skill-set as the Showtime 80's Lakers.

>And really, any ‘paper’ written about these Brooklyn dudes
>has to include and consider that at least two of them are
>known assholes who piss off their teammates regularly. And the
>best of the 3 doesn’t seem like the right guy to force the
>other 2 to act right for long enough to win anything. I hope
>I’m wrong cuz it would be fun to see.

It'll be fun to watch them either a. figure it out and give GSW a run in terms of outlandish offensive firepower; or b. they implode after being unable to manage personalities, and become an inexcusable bust.

Also - it's interesting that there isn't much talk about what this means for KD's legacy. It's sort of like GSW all over again (title or bust - and if you win, well you should have w/ that much talent). I think they more than enough talent (and arguably more balance) w/ the team as it was previously constructed sans Harden - and KD would've received mega props for that 'chip. This one (if he wins) - not so much.


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126. "RE: again - we're simply talking about "on paper""
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The sad thing for KD is that the average person in 2021’s earth is pretty comfy wallowing in wrongness and far less interested in adjusting to new data.

I want to believe that KD winning with Harden and whoever else shows up in Brooklyn will get him some props. Harden has clear and present warts on himself. And Kyrie is being labeled as an enigma after being on some failed teams and failing to figure out how to manage conversations with the media, relationships with teammates/coaches/organizations, and that type of stuff. It seems like this is much different than the GSW situation where KD gave that team an obvious upgrade over Harrison Barnes, the bball iq was super high, the humans involved seemed to understand what they were trying to do (WIN), and it was just a party of offensive excellence.

>>>So I'm asking - on paper - name an offensive trio as
>>powered
>>>as this one. Please go ahead.
>>
>>https://www.google.com/amp/s/lakersnation.com/this-day-lakers-history-wilt-chamberlain-elgin-baylor-jerry-west-beat-suns-reach-western-conference-finals/2018/04/09/amp/
>
>>I know, they’re old and we didn’t get to know every time
>>they were sad or every semi-famous ‘look at my booty
>>please’-type broad they threw sausage on, but that’s 3
>>scoring and hooping ass sobs on a team at once. And even
>>though they were later in their careers, they still rode on
>>their enemiiiies pretty heavily.
>
>Fair. Tough to argue w/ that. But if we have to go that far
>back then we're already conceding that this team has all-time
>level offensive talent, right?
>
>>Then, the 80s showtime lakers were what they were. Dudes
>damn
>>near had to goon it up to stop them ever. And all of their
>big
>>3 scored like crazy. Oh, and those dudes won a lot too so
>>there’s that.
>>
>>https://www.google.com/amp/s/socalsportschronicles.wordpress.com/2017/03/30/los-angeles-lakers-memories-from-the-1980s-showtime-era/amp/
>
>The Showtime Lakers were far more balanced throughout than
>this top-heavy Brooklyn team, but in terms of just raw
>offensive scoring/firepower (as a trio)? I'd take this
>Brooklyn team. Kareem's prime was tailing off considerably at
>that point - Magic could score but was more of playmaker
>obviously - and big game James was a hell of a scorer, but not
>to the level of these guys.
>
>But I don't think there's a chance this Brooklyn team can ever
>be as balanced and complimentary in skill-set as the Showtime
>80's Lakers.
>
>>And really, any ‘paper’ written about these Brooklyn
>dudes
>>has to include and consider that at least two of them are
>>known assholes who piss off their teammates regularly. And
>the
>>best of the 3 doesn’t seem like the right guy to force the
>>other 2 to act right for long enough to win anything. I hope
>>I’m wrong cuz it would be fun to see.
>
>It'll be fun to watch them either a. figure it out and give
>GSW a run in terms of outlandish offensive firepower; or b.
>they implode after being unable to manage personalities, and
>become an inexcusable bust.
>
>Also - it's interesting that there isn't much talk about what
>this means for KD's legacy. It's sort of like GSW all over
>again (title or bust - and if you win, well you should have w/
>that much talent). I think they more than enough talent (and
>arguably more balance) w/ the team as it was previously
>constructed sans Harden - and KD would've received mega props
>for that 'chip. This one (if he wins) - not so much.
>
>
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128. "thank you. Magic Worthy Kareem >> Brooklyn Big 3,"
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>>So I'm asking - on paper - name an offensive trio as
>powered
>>as this one. Please go ahead.
>
>https://www.google.com/amp/s/lakersnation.com/this-day-lakers-history-wilt-chamberlain-elgin-baylor-jerry-west-beat-suns-reach-western-conference-finals/2018/04/09/amp/
>
>I know, they’re old and we didn’t get to know every time
>they were sad or every semi-famous ‘look at my booty
>please’-type broad they threw sausage on, but that’s 3
>scoring and hooping ass sobs on a team at once. And even
>though they were later in their careers, they still rode on
>their enemiiiies pretty heavily.
>
>Then, the 80s showtime lakers were what they were. Dudes damn
>near had to goon it up to stop them ever. And all of their big
>3 scored like crazy. Oh, and those dudes won a lot too so
>there’s that.
>
>https://www.google.com/amp/s/socalsportschronicles.wordpress.com/2017/03/30/los-angeles-lakers-memories-from-the-1980s-showtime-era/amp/
>
>And really, any ‘paper’ written about these Brooklyn dudes
>has to include and consider that at least two of them are
>known assholes who piss off their teammates regularly. And the
>best of the 3 doesn’t seem like the right guy to force the
>other 2 to act right for long enough to win anything. I hope
>I’m wrong cuz it would be fun to see.
>
>
>

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122. "all 3 won't be able to get 25-30 a night somebody will have to step back..."
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and become a role player and average 18-20ppg as a 3rd option. Who's willing to do that?

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123. "usually when you have *this* much talent on a team, they figure it out"
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Obviously there are a lot of questions they have to answer. Who's going to defend? (Though Jordan is a very effective defending big and KD has become a competent defender in his own right). Will they learn to move the ball more effectively? All three guys are among the most iso-ball dominant players in the league - so who's going to step up and be a distributor?

But do people really think they won't figure it out with *this* much talent? They very well could be the first team in NBA history to iso their way to a 'chip.

>and become a role player and average 18-20ppg as a 3rd
>option. Who's willing to do that?

You would think it has to be Kyrie or Harden - but KD is really the one who has the experience of being a killer off the ball (from his GS days) and not needing to be so ball dominant to be effective. But Harden and Kyrie have more than enough ability to distribute - so one of them will have to assume that role.

But again - is it really more likely that they don't figure it out? Too much talent not to figure it out - and they likely won't even have to figure it out to a high degree in order to get to the Finals.


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129. "You're right, although the jokes are easy to understand."
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Like, people forget that those Harden Rockets teams rarely had real chemistry... and yet he took them to, minimum, the semis in the West annually. He woulda made (and probably won) the Finals had he not... run into Durant. Who is now on the same team as him. In the East. With Kyrie. (Theoretically.)

Most Big 3s historically have *one* non-shooter. Like, KD, Kyrie, and Harden are three of the best perimeter shooters in the NBA. Harden's numbers are lower than the other two, but it's because of how often he pulls up-- if he has an open look, it's in.

So now you have your best defender on KD, your second best defender on Harden (who can beat most teams' first best defender), and your third best defender on Kyrie (who, again, can beat probably 90% of teams' first best perimeter defender). Meanwhile, you also have Joe Harris waiting with hands open to knock down stand still 3s-- and he's one of the best in the league at that.

Unless shit dramatically implodes... they don't need defense. Which sounds fucking dumb to say. Because yes, they will play close games, and yes, they'll need defense in those. But they have three guys who can out-ISO most defenders in the league, and defenders won't be able to double any of them at all. It'd take a team with elite options on both ends (the Lakers, for instance) to beat them. I'm not convinced a team in the East can beat them in a best of 7 series, outside of maybe Philly if everything is really humming there.

That said, even though chemistry is probably being overrated by the public, the jokes about the chemistry are pretty obvious and I don't begrudge anyone for making them, lol.

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146. "Yup - simply too much firepower that'll more than make up for lack of D"
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And as we already saw last night v. Bucks - they are *already* figuring it out - and that's even without Kyrie. That was an offensive marvel that Harden & KD put on. They just simply outgunned the Bucks (who are one of just a few truly elite teams).

You can already hear the jokes subsiding in real-time (although we all enjoyed the comedy).


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130. "harden: 32/12/14 vs ORL in debut"
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4 steals and a block for good measure. 8 TO is pretty gnarly though. he's now leading the league in AST

great debut. showed he can indeed play within a different system (he was doing this in silas' system when he first came back; that's why he has so many assists this year) and he even played some decent defense too

i don't know how teams stop KD /and/ harden to close out games, never mind kyrie (if he returns.) all of them can get to the rim at will and are elite free throw shooters. i expect BKN to lead the league in FT attempts

if BKN can cobble together even a slightly below average defense they'll be unstoppable up to the playoffs and probably up to the finals. however they're unlikely to beat LAL in the finals due to poor defense. maybe they can coax LAL into a shoot out but that's probably not happening either due to LAL's great defense

  

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131. "He almost had a quadruple double with the the turnovers it will be..."
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interesting to see how Kyrie fits in if and when he does come back

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132. "how did he go back to being Harden from Hardee's?"
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>4 steals and a block for good measure. 8 TO is pretty gnarly
>though. he's now leading the league in AST
>
>great debut. showed he can indeed play within a different
>system (he was doing this in silas' system when he first came
>back; that's why he has so many assists this year) and he even
>played some decent defense too
>
>i don't know how teams stop KD /and/ harden to close out
>games, never mind kyrie (if he returns.) all of them can get
>to the rim at will and are elite free throw shooters. i
>expect BKN to lead the league in FT attempts
>
>if BKN can cobble together even a slightly below average
>defense they'll be unstoppable up to the playoffs and probably
>up to the finals. however they're unlikely to beat LAL in the
>finals due to poor defense. maybe they can coax LAL into a
>shoot out but that's probably not happening either due to
>LAL's great defense

definitely agree there. Lakers are the team I can't look past because of their defense. and if the pattern of "everyone else scoring so LeBron can chill" holds up? might be the best championship team LeBron has ever played on, because the way they play defense.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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bearfield
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134. "tanking it in HOU when they didn't trade him quickly enough"
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i think he truly tried for most of those games but that HOU team is shaky at best. wood seemed like an appealing partner for him but the rest of the team is pretty bad and/or unreliable. fertitta was more interested in dodging the luxury tax than he was in building a true contender. HOU is probably a first round exit at best with harden on it. might not make the play-in without him. no need for harden to waste another year there when he has leverage and teams that want him. AD tanked for far longer and everyone forgot about it after he got his ring. maybe we'll say the same thing about harden next year

i think folks are going to be surprised at harden's effort this year off ball and on D. he finally doesn't have to do absolutely everything in every game for his team to have a chance. i imagine he'll take fewer plays off since he'll theoretically be expending less energy not having to run the offense and fight off double teams for 95% of time he's in the game. i think he's going to work well beside kd and kyrie. he had his most efficent season last year letting westbrook get a lot of touches. i hope he continues that efficient play and people start to see him as a preternaturally skilled team player that is fun to watch now that he's divorced from iso heavy moreyball

  

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133. "Historically, i've been a Harden hater on oks but I was legit impressed"
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ive never really been a fan of the style dantoni played in houston and that 4th quarter debacle vs the warriors turned me off completely to him...but tonight I saw a much more versatile Harden

the change of scenery is clearly having an effect on his game already.



>4 steals and a block for good measure. 8 TO is pretty gnarly
>though. he's now leading the league in AST
>
>great debut. showed he can indeed play within a different
>system (he was doing this in silas' system when he first came
>back; that's why he has so many assists this year) and he even
>played some decent defense too
>
>i don't know how teams stop KD /and/ harden to close out
>games, never mind kyrie (if he returns.) all of them can get
>to the rim at will and are elite free throw shooters. i
>expect BKN to lead the league in FT attempts
>
>if BKN can cobble together even a slightly below average
>defense they'll be unstoppable up to the playoffs and probably
>up to the finals. however they're unlikely to beat LAL in the
>finals due to poor defense. maybe they can coax LAL into a
>shoot out but that's probably not happening either due to
>LAL's great defense
>
>

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135. "Isn’t Pringles an AC in BKN?"
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137. "yes, Harden was top 2 or 3 in MVP voting every year with him so folks..."
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shouldn't be surprised by Harden's numbers but things will get interesting if and when Kyrie comes back

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136. "easier said than done..."
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>
>if BKN can cobble together even a slightly below average
>defense they'll be unstoppable up to the playoffs and probably
>up to the finals.

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Cold Truth
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138. "What a bratty little punk"
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BrooklynWHAT
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139. "lakers can outscore them or lock them down."
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140. "Lol at “lock them down” "
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I’m sure Kyrie has sleepless nights over diet knockoff Rondo

They’re gonna have to outscore them

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145. "... the "lock them down" claim is a bold one."
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Unless you're assuming Kyrie never arrives. Because they have two guys that can defend Brooklyn stars, not three.

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143. "Caris Levert has a growth on his kidney...sidelined indefinitely...."
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144. "I read that was why Indiana got the 2nd rounder"
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That was originally going to go to Cleveland

  

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