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allStah
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"Lance Armstrong Documentary "
Sun May-24-20 08:32 PM by allStah

          

I relate. My first love is swimming, which is how he started, and my second love is running. Always more on the endurance side. Played baseball growing up and was on the basketball team just for the girls, but other than that, all endurance.

Did 1 triathlon , but I felt it was for posers, and I didnt like having to set up my bike. So I just focused on swimming and running.

Growing up as a black kid, some thought watching the Tour de France and swimming was strange. I can’t explain it. One day I came home in the 80s and the Tour de France was on. I didn’t know anything about it. It just looked cool and I love the French accent of the announcers. That is when Greg Lemond was battling Hinault for the title. Shit was epic and I was hooked ever since. Didn’t want to fuck with baseball anymore.

Yes, Lance is Scum a bag, 100 percent. But the brilliance behind his doping and beating Spain, France and Italy at their own doping game, that shit was amazing. Cycling has been doping since the late 1800s. 90 percent of the riders are doped to gills.

Track and field and cycling doping is on a whole other level than any other sport ...like light years ahead.

Loving it so far.

  

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"I'm gonna tell you my story how I remember it" --aka he'll lie
May 24th 2020
1
RE: "I'm gonna tell you my story how I remember it" --aka he'l...
May 24th 2020
2
kinda shocked
May 25th 2020
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      RE: kinda shocked
May 25th 2020
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           But he simultaneously tried to ruin lives, so fuck him.
May 26th 2020
14
                He seems to agree with this, while Allstah does not.
May 26th 2020
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                Wait who does ? I was responding to allStah
May 26th 2020
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                     Lance.
May 26th 2020
19
                          Ah word my bad.
May 26th 2020
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                               What is he trying to get out of at this point?
May 26th 2020
21
                               Good question - I have no idea.
May 26th 2020
22
                               probably angling to get back into cycling in some way...
May 26th 2020
23
                               RE: What is he trying to get out of at this point?
May 26th 2020
39
                                    Uber.
May 26th 2020
40
                               I am questioning motive too...but there is an out IMO
May 26th 2020
32
                exactly...like Floyd Landis...
May 26th 2020
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                     Yep.
May 26th 2020
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                     RE: exactly...like Floyd Landis...
May 26th 2020
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                          I know Landis' story...
May 26th 2020
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                               RE: I know Landis' story...
May 26th 2020
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nah he owning being a complete total piece of shit
May 25th 2020
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RE: nah he owning being a complete total piece of shit
May 25th 2020
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eh, to some extent, if you've been lying that long and that deep
May 25th 2020
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Dude was a phenomenal cyclist...
May 25th 2020
7
The coverup was worse than the crime
May 25th 2020
8
Weird that they just glossed over...did the doping cause your cancer?
May 26th 2020
10
RE: Weird that they just glossed over...did the doping cause your cancer...
May 26th 2020
11
      If it did give him cancer...I’m outta fux to give
May 26th 2020
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What are triathletes posing as?
May 26th 2020
12
wondered about that too, but figured...
May 26th 2020
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RE: What are triathletes posing as?
May 26th 2020
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      dude, you gotta relax, some...
May 26th 2020
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      RE: dude, you gotta relax, some...
May 26th 2020
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           this is the last thing I'm going to say on this...
May 26th 2020
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                RE: this is the last thing I'm going to say on this...
May 26th 2020
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                     No I wasnt.
May 26th 2020
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                          RE: No I wasnt.
May 26th 2020
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                               Instead you just shit on efforts by a bunch of people trying to test the...
May 26th 2020
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                                    RE: Instead you just shit on efforts by a bunch of people trying to test...
May 26th 2020
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      I finished 15 triathlons
May 26th 2020
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           Fuck, I AM A POSER.
May 26th 2020
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           IT BE YA OWN YOU
May 26th 2020
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           My bad.
May 26th 2020
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           RE: Fuck, I AM A POSER.
May 26th 2020
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           but, wear the Oakleys across the face of the hat...
May 26th 2020
44
           The Marine would do it
May 26th 2020
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                Marine probably enlisted for clout
May 26th 2020
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                     Marine in that cage 6am every morning
May 26th 2020
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           thats impressive man
May 27th 2020
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           RE: I finished 15 triathlons
May 26th 2020
46
           Damn. U really hate people. Admirable actually.
May 26th 2020
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                RE: Damn. U really hate people. Admirable actually.
May 26th 2020
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                     Isnt lance phony, fake and not sincere?
May 26th 2020
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                          RE: Isnt lance phony, fake and not sincere?
May 26th 2020
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                               People cutting races like that on the regular??
May 26th 2020
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                                    RE: People cutting races like that on the regular??
May 26th 2020
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                                    Weirdos.
May 27th 2020
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                                    ole Geoffrey from Fresh Prince Shame of a Nation face ass...
May 27th 2020
56
           15? dang.
May 27th 2020
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                Imagine finding out you're a poser after all those miles
May 28th 2020
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i for one was super pumped about my sub 3 hour olympic triathlon
May 27th 2020
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RE: i for one was super pumped about my sub 3 hour olympic triathlon
May 27th 2020
59
Swimming is fucking hard man.
May 27th 2020
61
Yep...I’m a clown swimmer, lol...
May 27th 2020
62
I used to think my strength was running but now I think is the bike
May 27th 2020
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      RE: I used to think my strength was running but now I think is the bike
May 27th 2020
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           Man I'm setting myself up here
May 27th 2020
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                I did a sub 6 mile in graduate school
May 31st 2020
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i feel like i trained pretty hard for the swim too
May 27th 2020
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RE: Swimming is fucking hard man.
May 27th 2020
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      That swim is great having the seawall by you for most of it.
May 27th 2020
69
BRO, DID YOU HAVE A TIME TRIAL STYLE HELMET, THOUGH???
May 27th 2020
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"It could be worse.... I could be Floyd Landis"
Jun 01st 2020
73
I died laughing at the part where they showed the lips shut gesture
Jun 02nd 2020
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He is the GOAT no doubt about it.
Jun 05th 2020
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      The playing field wasnt even
Jun 05th 2020
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           RE: The playing field wasnt even
Jun 05th 2020
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           ah shit am I agreeing with all stah?
Jun 05th 2020
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it's insanely dumb that he came back in '09
Jun 09th 2020
79

justin_scott
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1. ""I'm gonna tell you my story how I remember it" --aka he'll lie"
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Fuck how you remember it. tell the story how it actually, truthfully happened, but I doubt he'll do that.

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2. "RE: "I'm gonna tell you my story how I remember it" --aka he'l..."
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Sun May-24-20 11:34 PM by allStah

          

So far he has been sincere. He stated that he started doping at 21 with Cortisone shots. I always thought he started using PEDs after beating cancer.

This has been pretty thorough so far.

  

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3. "kinda shocked"
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but maybe the "how I remember it" part wasn't meant to be facetious. I'm interested as long as he's 100% truthful. personally, steroid use doesn't really bother me, it's the lying about it that does. if you do it, do it, if you did it, fine, but don't lie.

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allStah
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4. "RE: kinda shocked"
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But the lying about it doesn't bother me, because of what Cycling is, and sports in general. I mean other athletes dope for personal glory, without helping other people.

Dude, lance saved lives, bro. When he beat cancer and created his foundation, and the money that was generated from that to help people battle cancer? I mean come on.

Basketball and Football players test positive all the time, and lie about how the stuff got into their system, and no one says anything. Julian Edelmen tested positive and went on to win a super bowl.

So Lance does not owe us shit, especially Americans. I often say that Americans can't afford to talk about lance, because they don't know crap about cycling or the sport in general, and its just another sports topic for them. You got Jalen Rose giving his take on it. I'm like dude shut the fuck up.

I mean what the hell does lance owe you or me? Others he may owe for being a scumbag, and going after people who went after him. I even support him on that in a way, because you had people who were cheating, and were upset because he did it better. The French were the first ones to attack his Tour De France wins, because he was destroying them at their own sport. They couldn't deal with that. An American the greatest cyclist ever?

Yet in still they had tons of dopers who got busted, and then went on to still compete.


  

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Brew
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14. "But he simultaneously tried to ruin lives, so fuck him."
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>Dude, lance saved lives, bro. When he beat cancer and created
>his foundation, and the money that was generated from that to
>help people battle cancer? I mean come on.

Yea, solid stuff no doubt.

But he also spent an inordinate amount of time and effort trying to destroy the journalists and people who were rightfully digging into his obvious drug use and cheating, so his transgressions go far beyond just doing steroids and lying about it. He actively tried to ruin people's livelihoods ....... over something they were 1000000% right about. Fuck him.

And it wasn't just journalists, it was other cyclists who he accused of doping and cheating, even those on his own team.

Fuck him. He's a piece of shit.

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15. "He seems to agree with this, while Allstah does not. "
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>Fuck him. He's a piece of shit.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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17. "Wait who does ? I was responding to allStah"
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Maybe I'm missing something ..


>RE: He seems to agree with this, while Allstah does not.
>>Fuck him. He's a piece of shit.

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19. "Lance. "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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Brew
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20. "Ah word my bad."
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IMO he's only "admitting" to being a piece of shit cuz he doesn't have anymore outs. His apologies and explanations ring hollow to me. Not genuine.

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21. "What is he trying to get out of at this point?"
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Does he think he still has a brand left in his name to monetize?

Possibly?

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Brew
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22. "Good question - I have no idea."
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Ego, pride, attempt to clean up his legacy.

I'll admit I often forget he exists. Like he went from borderline inescapable to non-existent really quickly IMO.

Rarely happens to famous/beloved white people, no matter their transgressions haha.

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23. "probably angling to get back into cycling in some way..."
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his ARod turn. Guess he figures if Christian Van Velde can be one of the faces of the TdF, in the booth...why not him.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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allStah
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39. "RE: What is he trying to get out of at this point?"
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I don't its about the money.

He invested in UBER before it IPO'd and this was after settling with government for 5 million dollars. His uber investment is valued at about 30 million.

I think he was approached because it simply makes for a great story

  

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40. "Uber. "
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32. "I am questioning motive too...but there is an out IMO"
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He could be the face for anti-doping

Hi guys, I’m Lance Armstrong, let me tell you how PEDs destroyed my life and gave me cancer

...but I ASSume that takes some level of sincerity...

Antenna went up at the babes for boobs award

What an incredible coincidence that a breast cancer awareness event is honoring a man while filming a documentary

LOL

Gives me the impression this is a PR move

He genuinely could have turned this around...at least moving in the right direction...but that requires genuinely caring.

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16. "exactly...like Floyd Landis..."
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who, say what you will, Lance owes 3 of those TdFs to, in part.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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18. "Yep."
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>RE: exactly...like Floyd Landis...
>who, say what you will, Lance owes 3 of those TdFs to, in
>part.

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allStah
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24. "RE: exactly...like Floyd Landis..."
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Man, fock Floyd landis. Please.

He doped, won a tour from doping. Got busted due to his own carelessness, and then went to lance for help. Lance turned his back on him, so he snitched to save his own ass .

Floyd Landis is nothing to write about, please

There are no good guys in nothing of this. None, which is my point. It’s the same shit that is going on right now with Chris Froome who is like baby lance with his doping and getting away with it, as well as Sir Wiggins when he was racing ....but the British protect their own unlike America.

  

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25. "I know Landis' story..."
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and, kindly show me where I said he was a good guy. This was in response to Brew, regarding how much of a gaping asshole Armstrong was.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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29. "RE: I know Landis' story..."
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What I’m saying to you is lance doesn’t owe landis shit. Landis wouldn’t have gotten a tour win if it wasn’t for lance, hell he would not have been there.

All of cycling is cutthroat..all of it. Top to bottom..

Hell when Greg Lemond was going for his victory, his own teammate Bernard Hinault was trying to steal it from him.

So miss me with that postering lance stuff

  

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5. "nah he owning being a complete total piece of shit"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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allStah
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6. "RE: nah he owning being a complete total piece of shit"
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You have no idea what you’re talking about. None

  

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9. "eh, to some extent, if you've been lying that long and that deep"
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he may honestly not remember what the truth is and where the lies stop

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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7. "Dude was a phenomenal cyclist..."
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an absolute stud on the bike. He was a piece of shit in the wake of being busted. Damn near everyone was doping. He laid waste to cycling powers and they hated it. The way he tried to crush regular people was shitty. Too bad he couldn’t just own it.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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8. "The coverup was worse than the crime"
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<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

  

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10. "Weird that they just glossed over...did the doping cause your cancer?"
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This a 2 part doc...?

My takeaway from part 1

Felt like similar last dance propoganda...now that some time has passed...let's remind everyone of the work Lance did to raise cancer awareness

...no doubt, that happened...along with the bracelets that are now ubiquitous...

BUT

If, as he claims, he started doping at 21, I was frustrated with the cavalier nature of dismissing the connection with this doping and cancer

He made a very strong statement IRT asking about every substance he was being given, researching, making the choice, etc...

I would ASSume some of these substances list cancer risks

A quick google...looks like the HGH research is fairly new...but established
The EPO looks like a safe ASSumption, it will help proliferate malignant and benign tumors, but it doesn't sound as settled medically

I was surprised that he hadn't investigated that link and/or had more of a concrete answer

It was the obvious question.

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11. "RE: Weird that they just glossed over...did the doping cause your cancer..."
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Tue May-26-20 08:44 AM by allStah

          

Yes. I’m pretty sure his PED taking at an early age led to him developing cancer, especially since he was taking corticosteroids. It was even in his lungs.

However, Lance didn’t really need them. I always tell people that PEDs don't give athletes skills or abilities. That is developed by the athlete. PEDs just intensifies it. This is why the majority who take PEDs don’t succeed.

Lance was already an endurance beast from being a great swimmer and a triathlete as a teenager. Other cyclists didn’t have those roots. His Oxygen capacity was already through the roof.

  

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34. "If it did give him cancer...I’m outta fux to give "
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It’s a legit question

How does a professional athlete in their early 20s become riddled with cancer

?

There didn’t seem to be even the slightest attempt to trace the origin

Wouldn’t you want to know?

If his PED abuse resulted in his cancer...I don’t have much empathy

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12. "What are triathletes posing as?"
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13. "wondered about that too, but figured..."
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it was better not to ask, lol.

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26. "RE: What are triathletes posing as?"
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Tue May-26-20 11:59 AM by allStah

          

Runners and swimmers look at triathletes as posers. They don’t respect them. They are seen as either not being good enough to be stand alone great swimmers or great runners. And I’m not talk about the real real endurance triathletes, just the avg people who make up the majority of the event.

And by you asking the question, I can tell you’ve never been at a tri event, just a lot of people with all the gear and gadgets but no ability. You’ll see all the hot items and gadgets , people posting with the look. That’s why the event and endurance events have blown up with so many participants. They have become bucket list events, and organization are making tons of money off the avg person, because the avg person just wants to pose on Facebook, Instagram, strava, etc, with their participation medal.

That’s what posers mean.

It’s so bad that you got the average everyday person cheating like the pros just so they can say they finished an event or finished in a certain amount of time: Skipping time mats, lying about their time, biking the same run distance and then saying that it was their actual competition distance. This is why strava introduced the fly be feature that can tell whether you biked, swam or ran the distance.

Didn’t used to be this way. Endurance events used to be for real competitors, but then social media came, and everything has turned into a money making participating posers event.

I think that would have been obvious based on the word.

  

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27. "dude, you gotta relax, some..."
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you're talking to people on the internet...making wild assumptions and don't know the first thing about their backgrounds.

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28. "RE: dude, you gotta relax, some..."
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What are you talking about?

There is no assumption. The fact that he asked what that word meant, and you as well , lets me know that you are not in that world. Everyone in that world knows what posers mean.

I simply said that let’s me know that you are not in the world

Also, you could have easily googled triathlon posers .

And your questioned would have been answered.

Next time just google or go to a triathlon forum.


https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Why_so_many_Posers_in_triathlons%3F%3F%3F_P146972/

  

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30. "this is the last thing I'm going to say on this..."
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you can have it all to yourself...YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS. You don't know what Ceej or I do offline. You assumed neither of us is in that world and you're wrong on both accounts. Your experience is not everyone else's and vice versa. I see why so many folks clown you. You reply in these posts with a smartest person in the room attitude and half the time you saying something ridiculous. Fuck I'm gonna google for when the person that made the comment is right here, still replying. Explain YOURSELF...or don't say the shit. I know you'll have a dissertation to follow...so have it. I will not be replying.

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31. "RE: this is the last thing I'm going to say on this..."
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You got some issues going on here buddy so I’m going to take a slide.
Take your own advice and relax.

Ceej was being a smart ass (playfully) as usual, which is why I responded the way that I did to him ...to him, not you. I responded to him.
And you jumped in as usual . Now you’re upset.

Also, when I don’t know something I google, but that’s just me.


This whole thread was peaceful until you arrived.


Go figure. Peace. That’s all I can say.



  

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35. "No I wasnt. "
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41. "RE: No I wasnt. "
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Well I couldn't tell. didn't know ..I know how sometimes you like to joke and stuff.

so my bad.

  

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42. "Instead you just shit on efforts by a bunch of people trying to test the..."
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cuz you're a good swimmer.

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50. "RE: Instead you just shit on efforts by a bunch of people trying to test..."
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nah. you do a lot of side snark stuff....so I thought you were coming like that.

It's cool.

  

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33. "I finished 15 triathlons"
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Not once Did i pretend I was a good swimmer, Im not.

Not once did I pretend I was a good cyclist. Im mediocre.

Not once did I pretend I was a good runner. Im above average.

Cool on you tho.

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36. "Fuck, I AM A POSER. "
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Guess I gotta play softball with the real athletes.

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37. "IT BE YA OWN YOU"
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38. "My bad. "
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43. "RE: Fuck, I AM A POSER. "
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make sure to double batting glove it up, and the oakleys on the hat and some quality cleats. So people know you are the real deal and not a poser.

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44. "but, wear the Oakleys across the face of the hat..."
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not actually on your face.

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45. "The Marine would do it"
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48. "Marine probably enlisted for clout "
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58. "thats impressive man"
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just cant get into the swimming.

did a few tour de scottsdale races after the tri but now i just three putt and ride quarterly.

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46. "RE: I finished 15 triathlons"
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Seriously speaking, stepping out of the crap talk for a minute.

I just posted a triathlon forum of how posers are viewed, and why people are called that and why it is used.

My uncle was a local endurance guy in the 70s and 80s, this is back when marathon running and cycling went through this huge boom. There was no internet to promote races or to know about races, and you had to really be a part of that circle, as well as going to cycling and running stores to know about races.

Back then, local athletes really competed and you had to have certain times in order to get into the races. You couldn't just register just to participate. It was similar to how the Boston Marathon still is. You have to have a qualifying time in order to participate in the Boston marathon ( which is why you have a lot of people lying and cheating about their time just to get in, instead of putting in the work.) This is why running times were so much faster for local athletes back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. In this age, The avg runner has actually gotten SLOWER. You would think that with SO many people hopping into these races, that they would be faster, quite the opposite.


Also, back then there were no participation trophies. You got a medal if you finished top 3, and a tshirt as well. There were no goodie bags, or race swag, etc. There were no posers.


Now, you have tons and tons of endurance events every week, with a participation trophy for everyone, constant photo taking and posting online, and slow, slow times. And you will see participants decked out with the latest gadgets and gear, and the industry is making millions from them. These events have moved away from substance over to a foundation of glam sports.


However, your local athletes or participants of substance are not posting photos with their participation medals, or times, or talking about it. They do maybe a handful of races a year ( because training takes time, and they are serious about it), they don't cheat or lie about their runs. They don't need to be decked out in the latest item or gadget. They go to the starting line, compete hard, finish, and continue on.



The main problem is that endurance sports have turned into huge campaign drives for some movement or motivation, which has really tainted the sport. So people are always saying I'm going to race for this person or run to heal the world, etc, and those are the people who have been caught cheating about their goals. It's like everyone wants to be seen as a champion, or be pictured as a warrior just to get approval or appreciation.


Every endurance sport has posers. In the races I would do ( except for track races...hard to have posers there, because you will get blown off the track if you are not serious), from 1 mile races to half marathons, there would be tons of runners in the corrals just taking photos of themselves, posing, and posting on facebook, etc. And most of the serious runners were usually in the faster corrals, and every last one of them would just roll their eyes, because it really diluted the event. In one race, I had to tell people to stop talking photos of the corral that I was in because my image was be captured as well.

so that's the whole perception of a poser, just in it for the recognition and not for the true spirit of the sport.


peace.





  

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47. "Damn. U really hate people. Admirable actually. "
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49. "RE: Damn. U really hate people. Admirable actually. "
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Why you say I hate people? ....just phony , fake people or people who are not sincere. Gets no play in book.

  

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51. "Isnt lance phony, fake and not sincere?"
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>Why you say I hate people? ....just phony , fake people or
>people who are not sincere. Gets no play in book.

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53. "RE: Isnt lance phony, fake and not sincere?"
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Not really. Lance rode that bike, 100 miles everyday for three weeks, juiced or not juiced. That's grueling shit, and he did it while every cyclist came to the line juiced to the gills. Cycling started with juiced riders, since 1903. It was legal to take whatever up until the 60s. That sport was doping for 60 years before regulations were put forth! 60 years. Whole sport was born out of PEDs.

Where as say you have some local runner, who runs 3 miles, then cuts the course, and appears at mile 15, stating they ran the time and course. Or lets say a runner wants to raise money for a charity by running a marathon, but then goes out and cheats by getting a Mule ( a person who illegally runs a race for someone else).

Lance is a scumbag for the way he went after people if they tried to go after him, but there was/is no bullshit about that man's ability. I'm not like that and will never be like that, but I understand it.











  

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54. "People cutting races like that on the regular??"
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55. "RE: People cutting races like that on the regular??"
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LOL.

There is an entire website by a guy who does nothing but goes after cheaters in endurance sports. ...makes for a great, great read , the stories are mind numbing of everyday people like you and me going all out to cheat.

He even has sections for different kinds of cheating: Bib Muling, Course Cutting. Shit is comical and sad.


https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/


enjoy.

  

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60. "Weirdos. "
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56. "ole Geoffrey from Fresh Prince Shame of a Nation face ass..."
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70. "15? dang."
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that's a lotta miles!

  

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71. "Imagine finding out you're a poser after all those miles"
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57. "i for one was super pumped about my sub 3 hour olympic triathlon"
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allstah woulda been at the finish line yelling at me "you fuckin POSER!!! GO TAKE A PIC WITH YOUR BULLSHIT TROPHY YOU SLOW SWIMMING CLOWN!!"

not a fan of swimming, had never really swam in open water before. that was a slow portion of the race. I am basically a Toyota Supra on a bicycle tho and i have since then stuck with just the bike.

i'll have to say triathletes are major assholes. cyclists at least just care about the grind and exercise. triathletes get tattoo's of races on their body. that is the swimmer in them i guess.

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59. "RE: i for one was super pumped about my sub 3 hour olympic triathlon"
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I would have been cheering you on. A poser is not about being slow or fast, but just in it for the look and recognition,

I would rather cheer on a slow or last place finisher, who is giving his all, and in it for the spirit of the sport, then someone in it for the look, cheating , or to get likes and approval.

Good stuff ....Super sprints and Olympic tris are good. Keep at it.

Yep triathletes are major assholes, another reason why I don’t care for them. Runners and cyclists can be assholes too, but not as bad.

Most Swimmers are cool though, because most of them are introverted, and not into the limelight. Katie ledecky, Phelps of the world very very subdued. Swimming relaxes you anyway, and it’s not a grit and iron sport. You have to be more relaxed and technical, then it is being strong and aggressive. Up at 4am to train.

  

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61. "Swimming is fucking hard man. "
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I love looking at my splits and being one of the last in my age group out of the water and make up all the time on the bike.

Im a poser in the water for sure, I cant keep my head down. Its awful/

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62. "Yep...I’m a clown swimmer, lol..."
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but I’m pretty fucking strong on the bike...running is meh. I just think it’s fun to compete. Not expecting to pick up sponsors and quit my job to just do tris for a living. Couple years ago, I did a duathalon (which up until then, I didn’t know was a thing) and I kinda kicked ass, because I didn’t have to make up so much ground from my swim.

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64. "I used to think my strength was running but now I think is the bike"
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No matter what it is not swimming.

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67. "RE: I used to think my strength was running but now I think is the bike"
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What's your 5k/3 mile time? Or you 1 mile time?

  

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68. "Man I'm setting myself up here"
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My last straight 5k was right around 21

Never did a sub 6 mile but I also have never tried to sprint. I think I could do one under 6.

Best Beer mile: 7:45

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72. "I did a sub 6 mile in graduate school"
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Remains the pinnacle of my athletic career.

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65. "i feel like i trained pretty hard for the swim too"
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i went to a local city park with a pool and swam laps for months leading up to the race and i was an absolute monster on the bike at the time. for the run i just went trail running on my favorite hikes around here. apparently nobody decided to tell me swimming in choppy, dark open water is much more difficult than lap pool swimming.

the group i was in was 'first time' racers so i wasnt in an age group or anything - and those dudes were waaaay ahead of me in the race by the time I got on the bike I barely caught 2 guys. we swam in Tempe Town Lake, which is a digusting cess-pool. i'll never forget, after the bike session i started the run and a mile into the run i grabbed a water cup, doused it over my head, and the lake-water that was still stuck in my hair dripped into my mouth and i threw up on the spot. gave me a bit of a boost tho, i didnt have to stop for rest on the run once but i didnt have a phenomenally fast run time either.

the tri was a blast tho, felt really good after it. that satiated my urge to do a tri, i had visions of doing an ironman but yeah fucking right.

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66. "RE: Swimming is fucking hard man. "
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This is why I love how organized the Chicago Triathlon is.

What they do 1 month before the triathlon is they have weekly open water swim clinics, where you do a test aquathlon ( swim/run). This allows beginners or inexperienced open water swimmers to get acclimated to the roughness of open water ( especially in Lake Michigan) before doing the triathlon so they will know what to expect. Even experienced open water swimmers do them when they have been out of open water for a long time.

A lot of people train in the pool, where the temperature is controlled and the water is clear, so it is very calm and easy to swim in. Then they go out and do a triathlon, and find that it is a totally different environment. A 360 degree space that is in constant motion, and the temps are very cold.

Get your laps and endurance in the pool, but get your experience in open water. 2 swims in the pool and one swim in open water per week was my training method for the tri and aquathlons that I did.

My main issue with open water is the temperature, due to my body being more on the lean muscular side. I don't have a lot of body fat. That's great for being on land, but terrible for being in the water. There are no muscular marine creatures. They are all fat with low body density, so they have great buoyancy and heat insulation. So I get cold extremely fast in open water, so I can only stand maybe 45 mins to 1 hour before the chills come on, and the body loses heat quicker in water than in air. I have to always wear a wet suit or a tight water base layer in open water for insulation and warmth, and swim no more than a mile or 2. Hypothermia is no joke and happens quickly, which is why Tris can be very, very dangerous....

And it usually takes me a few weeks to get re- acclimated with open water every year. I haven't been in open water for close to 2 years, so I would need a good month to get comfortable again...I also swim with a buoy in tow, with a rope wrapped around my waste just in case cramps settle in, and I need to rest, or If I get sick.

The key is, believe or not, you have to chop the water. You have to swim just as violently as the waves are. The water will not allow you to be graceful like it is in the pool. Quick choppy strokes, bilateral breathing, and site every 2 to 3 stroke cycles....open water is tough shit

  

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69. "That swim is great having the seawall by you for most of it."
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That was my first race starting treading. Tough and cold.

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63. "BRO, DID YOU HAVE A TIME TRIAL STYLE HELMET, THOUGH???"
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73. ""It could be worse.... I could be Floyd Landis""
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Lance still the goat. PEDS didnt win those races or guarantee victory. Lance still won the races so fuck that noise.

Lance still an icon
Lance still got bread
Lance still famous
Lance still with the shits
Lance remains the GOAT cycler

CRY you haters.

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74. "I died laughing at the part where they showed the lips shut gesture"
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and his shit-eating grin after.

dude was really the bad guy.

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75. "He is the GOAT no doubt about it."
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Took the same drugs as everyone else and beat them at it, and science’d the hell out of it to never get caught.

In cycling, Eddie Merkxs is considered the greatest cyclists of all time, and is well respected by his peers. But the dude was busted for taking PEDs, which is why this entire thing is just comical to me.

  

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76. "The playing field wasnt even"
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Not because of drugs.

It was because he was that much better than everyone else. I dont think that can be disputed at this point.

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77. "RE: The playing field wasnt even"
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This is not true.

After Greg Lemond won his last tour, after that ,he started to get dropped in races, even though he was pedaling just as fast or faster. And that is when he realized that guys had moved on to an even greater form of doping and the field was no longer even.....never really was if you tried to ride clean.

There is still those who question whether Lemond doped, even though he stated that he has always been clean, because cycling has been doping since it’s beginning in 1903, with regulations being implemented in the 60s. It’s basically a sport where you have to dope to even have a chance.

Lance needed to dope as well. Not sure if you watched the documentary. But Lance admitted that he started doping at the age of 21, taking Corticosteriods as his go to PED. And that was before his bout with testicular cancer.....which possibly could have led to it.

Also, when he was with the Motorola team before joining the Post Office team, he kept getting ( as they showed in the doc) creamed in the Tour de France. Keep in mind he participated in several tour de frances before winning his first one. When he lost the last tour with Motorola , it was then that he realized that he needed to improve his doping in order to really compete . That is when he sought out Michele Ferrari, he was like the Victor Conte of cycling , and got lance into EPO and how to dope to really improve. Lance was actually over doping, taking too much stuff , which is why he probably developed cancer. Michele told him less is more, and lance took EPO from that point on and took over cycling.

So lance needed dope just like the rest of them and was doped since the beginning of his cycling career. Every last one of his titles was on PEDs, just like the rest of the cyclists. So he was not that much better than everyone else. He just learned to dope better.

  

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78. "ah shit am I agreeing with all stah?"
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it's not like barry bonds where he's an all-timer without the shit

idk what he is, there's just no evidence to go on

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79. "it's insanely dumb that he came back in '09"
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I totally understand getting the itch to come back and prove yourself again, but he was super lucky to retire as the GOAT and get away with doping for that long.

I appreciated his honesty during the interviews but he's definitely still an asshole. Those clips of him using his cancer to shame people who were asking the questions is so gross.

  

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