Man, what do you do with this?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23456866/detroit-lions-owner-front-office-continue-support-coach-matt-patricia-amid-96-sexual-assault-allegation

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/05/09/matt-patricia-indicted-sex-assault/34742627/

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

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That's hard to really act on, even in the most progressive listening to and believing women world.

Now if this leads to a lot of other people coming forward the Lions have a real issue on their hands, but if it turns out it was just this one charge from over 20 years ago that never turned into anything I think it'll blow over.

nobody ever cared to dredge this back up while he was w/ the patriots?

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really what else can you do? We don't know anything, really.


If I was the Lions, i might be doing a bit more research on the low right now, though, just to make double sure there's no extra surprises.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

and listening to women world?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I'm just trying to say even in today's environment where we are working to not make women jump through 1000 hoops before we believe them when we just assume the man is innocent if he says so it's still hard to push this story as something.

it's 20 years ago, there's not a ton to even investigate, we know what we know about accusations and why someone might not want to testify, but it is true that he says it didn't happen and he hasn't had a day in court to face the charge.

there are no easy answers, which is why my ire is really for the Lions for being shifty about what they knew and how it affected their decision


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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and you ask that question?

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good luck with that. but then again, someone like roethlisberger has been able to
survive so...

so.

>

we'll see what happens

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/09/randy-gregory-expected-to-file-for-reinstatement-next-week/

there's nothing on his record other than a lot of racial-coding and marijuana.

maybe you're confusing him with greg hardy?

oops

during a press conference?

http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0409%2Fr354186_1296x729_16-9.jpg&w=750&cquality=40

http://img2-ak.lst.fm/i/u/arO/738fcf9991b947b9a169f97d5e472729

http://quietus_production.s3.amazonaws.com/images/articles/6598/coflow_1310987166_crop_550x422.jpg

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56858337cbced60d3b293aef/t/597239149de4bbb1d311bd6f/1500657956202/

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXqGa2xOB14xGGaEDTuOqnZ64E-xrdSHeIyCC7m9y8FpBDrmqb

when it seems like their security definitely did pull the records.

If they knew and decided to hire him anyway, say that's what you're doing.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

the NYTs still stands by its claim that it never read the twitter feed of Quinn Norton before hiring her.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

while 20 worse dudes stay employed.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Without getting too deep in the details of this particular case - I won't comment on it as I think all of these cases require intense due diligence before coming to a conclusion. But the Lions' outright dismissal of the story is unnecessary and ignorant. They didn't even try to go out of their way to condemn sexual assault.

As far as I'm concerned - every single man who has preyed on women and children - no matter how long ago - should not be allowed to freely roam through society and earn millions of dollars - while qualified, ethical men can't get a decent job and Colin Kap can't even get a slot on an NFL roster.

I've been done with the NFL for a loooong time and don't even watch anymore. It's TrumpLand USA on the grid-iron.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

with regards to his problems with physical assault - so it's fair to bring that up.

However - there's a clear difference with what I'm talking about. The NFL as an organization - with a private franchise (Detroit Lions) hiring and empowering Patricia in this instance is institutional negligence as it pertains to sexual assault. Mayweather was not hired by any franchise - nor did he work for any organized body because boxing does not have sanctioning bodies nor franchises that employ the athletes. Mayweather was bartering as his own economic entity and thus did not seek/need endorsement from or to be hired by anybody - he was his own business.

I'm speaking of economic empowerment here and organizational integrity re: ethics. Neither Mayweather nor Patricia's conduct is acceptable - and the argument that "well Mayweather had problems too!" doesn't address the the issue at hand here, and isn't a credible deflection.


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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

for someone to find their moral compass in abstaining from watching a sport they may not be passionate about to begin with, given their painting of the entire fanbase as Rednecks-R-Us.

Completely understandable to love a sport but not support certain actions or people in the sport one loves -- but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about institutional ills within the NFL (that you don't find in the NBA, for example -- look how Silver is handling a myriad of ethical issues from Donald Sterling to a more progressive approach to player rights).

The NFL as an institution has not acted with integrity when it comes to almost every relevant social issue it has faced - whether it's sexual assault, entitled owners, or honoring freedom of expression/speech among its players.

I'm not saying people shouldn't watch the sport they love - I'm just saying for me - the NFL's handling of a myriad issues turns me off and makes me want to prioritize watching other sports and supporting other organizations/institutions (like the NBA which has been more aligned with my values).


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Some of my guys boycotted, some like me didn't, but are conflicted about what exactly we're supporting

It sucks when you love something but you know there's a piece of it you don't like to look at that's rotten.

if he doesnt get canned now he will be in 3 years...just like every other lions coach.

#tradition

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

>if he doesnt get canned now he will be in 3 years...just like
>every other lions coach.
>
>#tradition

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

Without any evidence or information, not going to condemn anyone.


Certainly am not going to call for anyone to be fired barring some real bombshell.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

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I don't really know how they have played this locally, or much about how they have dealt with the scenario. Certainly seems stupid to claim you didn't know. But I don't know enough to talk about GM, etc

Just not willing to condemn Patricia with this little information.

I believe that the vast, vast majority of women's claims are true. But that doesn't mean that THIS is true.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

either he didnt know, and is thusly incompetent at navigating society in 2018

or he did know and just hoped it wouldnt come up, and is thusly incompetent at navigating society in 2018

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Fair

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

My money's on "they knew about it and just didn't care," because how in 2018 are you unable to conduct a background check?

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oh, cause the Pats claimed they didn't know either.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/05/10/bill-belichick-says-he-didnt-know-about-matt-patricia-allegations-but-supports-him/23431941/

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

he was hired as an "offensive assistant" in 2004

different kind of hire, different day and age

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He was charged. And then the charge was dismissed. No trial. That should be the end of the story.

Should everyone who was ever accused of something have that haunt them for the rest of their lives?

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the Lions did this to him by letting someone else find out first

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Are you saying that the Lions should have disclosed to the public that he was once accused of something but the case was dismissed?

Where do you slip that into the press conference?

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While that makes pragmatic sense…and is what the Lions clearly would have been better off doing…I think it's ethically questionable and sets the table for a whole new set of problems in society.

Obviously, what's good or bad for society is not the job description of the Lions GM

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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im saying they shouldnt have hired him without a gameplan for how to handle this.

they let him and the rest of their employees twist in the wind and now "matt patricia lions rape" is a thing people google

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

>im saying they shouldnt have hired him without a gameplan for
>how to handle this.
>
>they let him and the rest of their employees twist in the wind
>and now "matt patricia lions rape" is a thing people google


Ah, got it and agree.


You should know, and have a plan. Even if you don't announce it beforehand.


They failed in that, spectacularly

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

>>im saying they shouldnt have hired him without a gameplan
>for
>>how to handle this.
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>>they let him and the rest of their employees twist in the
>wind
>>and now "matt patricia lions rape" is a thing people google
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>Ah, got it and agree.
>
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>You should know, and have a plan. Even if you don't announce
>it beforehand.
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>They failed in that, spectacularly


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Lots of men have dropped charges.
Many of them deserve to be able to work.

This is actually one of the main problems with
the prison industrial complex. MANY undeserving men
have bullshit charges that went nowhere, but come
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theyve shown no plan of any sort. he was hired a LONG time ago now in terms of news cycles.

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>theyve shown no plan of any sort. he was hired a LONG time
>ago now in terms of news cycles.

What does a "PR plan" consist of for an alleged crime
where the charges were dropped, 22 years ago? What is
the appropriate manner to handle this? Volunteer it to the
press and say "we looked into it, and he's innocent?"

What is this correct plan that would make you comfortable?

anyone of them could come up with a plan that's better than that.

whether or not he's innocent isn't even the particular question.

it's whether or not your organization takes an accusation like this seriously. you hit the level on that and you skate.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>anyone of them could come up with a plan that's better than
>that.

>whether or not he's innocent isn't even the particular
>question.
>
>it's whether or not your organization takes an accusation like
>this seriously. you hit the level on that and you skate.

No, no

The question is what would constitute an acceptable plan?

they also employ security people to do background checks.

at every level this argument fails.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>they also employ security people to do background checks.
>
>at every level this argument fails.

No, I don't understand your point, at all.


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stop lying

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

because pretending that the Lions don't have PR employees is bizarre.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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That might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

You know damn well this has nothing to do with an PR
firm, and like I said above: if they had hired a PR
firm, that might look WORSE, like they were covering
something up.

Sounds like you're upset at something, don't know what
it is, and are just talking.


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What would constitute an appropriate PR response
to this? Simply have a plan? Not the contents of that
plan....but simply having one?

So if the exact same thing happened with this case,
but the Lions said: "We hired PR Firm X and they guided
us on how to handle this situation," you'd be fine?

I'm confused.

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you: YOU'RE MAD THEY DIDN'T HIRE PR

...they have hired PR. your charge doesn't work

you: why won't you answer my questiooooooon
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me: two days ago:

"15. I'm pissed that the Lions are apparently acting like they didn't know
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when it seems like their security definitely did pull the records.

If they knew and decided to hire him anyway, say that's what you're doing."

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What exactly is the problem here?

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you: I'm confused

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You'd be fine? There'd NO issue?

Is that what you're saying?

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