My feeling is we're already there in a lot of ways, where we struggle to meet in practice the ideal of affording accused ppl the presumption of innocence...but it was at least uncontroversial to hold it up as the right way, the ideal. I'm just saying it seems its getting to the point now where its taboo to even suggest that the presumption of innocence is a good thing, and then if that mindset wins, society's even more fucked.