Man, what do you do with this?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23456866/detroit-lions-owner-front-office-continue-support-coach-matt-patricia-amid-96-sexual-assault-allegation

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/05/09/matt-patricia-indicted-sex-assault/34742627/

That's hard to really act on, even in the most progressive listening to and believing women world.

Now if this leads to a lot of other people coming forward the Lions have a real issue on their hands, but if it turns out it was just this one charge from over 20 years ago that never turned into anything I think it'll blow over.

nobody ever cared to dredge this back up while he was w/ the patriots?

really what else can you do? We don't know anything, really.


If I was the Lions, i might be doing a bit more research on the low right now, though, just to make double sure there's no extra surprises.

and listening to women world?

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I'm just trying to say even in today's environment where we are working to not make women jump through 1000 hoops before we believe them when we just assume the man is innocent if he says so it's still hard to push this story as something.

it's 20 years ago, there's not a ton to even investigate, we know what we know about accusations and why someone might not want to testify, but it is true that he says it didn't happen and he hasn't had a day in court to face the charge.

there are no easy answers, which is why my ire is really for the Lions for being shifty about what they knew and how it affected their decision


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and you ask that question?

good luck with that. but then again, someone like roethlisberger has been able to
survive so...

so.

>

we'll see what happens

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/09/randy-gregory-expected-to-file-for-reinstatement-next-week/

there's nothing on his record other than a lot of racial-coding and marijuana.

maybe you're confusing him with greg hardy?

oops

during a press conference?

http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0409%2Fr354186_1296x729_16-9.jpg&w=750&cquality=40

http://img2-ak.lst.fm/i/u/arO/738fcf9991b947b9a169f97d5e472729

http://quietus_production.s3.amazonaws.com/images/articles/6598/coflow_1310987166_crop_550x422.jpg

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56858337cbced60d3b293aef/t/597239149de4bbb1d311bd6f/1500657956202/

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXqGa2xOB14xGGaEDTuOqnZ64E-xrdSHeIyCC7m9y8FpBDrmqb

when it seems like their security definitely did pull the records.

If they knew and decided to hire him anyway, say that's what you're doing.

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the NYTs still stands by its claim that it never read the twitter feed of Quinn Norton before hiring her.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

while 20 worse dudes stay employed.

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Without getting too deep in the details of this particular case - I won't comment on it as I think all of these cases require intense due diligence before coming to a conclusion. But the Lions' outright dismissal of the story is unnecessary and ignorant. They didn't even try to go out of their way to condemn sexual assault.

As far as I'm concerned - every single man who has preyed on women and children - no matter how long ago - should not be allowed to freely roam through society and earn millions of dollars - while qualified, ethical men can't get a decent job and Colin Kap can't even get a slot on an NFL roster.

I've been done with the NFL for a loooong time and don't even watch anymore. It's TrumpLand USA on the grid-iron.

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There are problems with the NFL's culture, but no need to virtue signal if you're not being consistent

with regards to his problems with physical assault - so it's fair to bring that up.

However - there's a clear difference with what I'm talking about. The NFL as an organization - with a private franchise (Detroit Lions) hiring and empowering Patricia in this instance is institutional negligence as it pertains to sexual assault. Mayweather was not hired by any franchise - nor did he work for any organized body because boxing does not have sanctioning bodies nor franchises that employ the athletes. Mayweather was bartering as his own economic entity and thus did not seek/need endorsement from or to be hired by anybody - he was his own business.

I'm speaking of economic empowerment here and organizational integrity re: ethics. Neither Mayweather nor Patricia's conduct is acceptable - and the argument that "well Mayweather had problems too!" doesn't address the the issue at hand here, and isn't a credible deflection.


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https://youtu.be/Nn80Rbq2lHc

for someone to find their moral compass in abstaining from watching a sport they may not be passionate about to begin with, given their painting of the entire fanbase as Rednecks-R-Us.

Completely understandable to love a sport but not support certain actions or people in the sport one loves -- but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about institutional ills within the NFL (that you don't find in the NBA, for example -- look how Silver is handling a myriad of ethical issues from Donald Sterling to a more progressive approach to player rights).

The NFL as an institution has not acted with integrity when it comes to almost every relevant social issue it has faced - whether it's sexual assault, entitled owners, or honoring freedom of expression/speech among its players.

I'm not saying people shouldn't watch the sport they love - I'm just saying for me - the NFL's handling of a myriad issues turns me off and makes me want to prioritize watching other sports and supporting other organizations/institutions (like the NBA which has been more aligned with my values).


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Some of my guys boycotted, some like me didn't, but are conflicted about what exactly we're supporting

It sucks when you love something but you know there's a piece of it you don't like to look at that's rotten.

if he doesnt get canned now he will be in 3 years...just like every other lions coach.

#tradition

>if he doesnt get canned now he will be in 3 years...just like
>every other lions coach.
>
>#tradition

Without any evidence or information, not going to condemn anyone.


Certainly am not going to call for anyone to be fired barring some real bombshell.

I don't really know how they have played this locally, or much about how they have dealt with the scenario. Certainly seems stupid to claim you didn't know. But I don't know enough to talk about GM, etc

Just not willing to condemn Patricia with this little information.

I believe that the vast, vast majority of women's claims are true. But that doesn't mean that THIS is true.

either he didnt know, and is thusly incompetent at navigating society in 2018

or he did know and just hoped it wouldnt come up, and is thusly incompetent at navigating society in 2018

Fair

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My money's on "they knew about it and just didn't care," because how in 2018 are you unable to conduct a background check?

oh, cause the Pats claimed they didn't know either.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/05/10/bill-belichick-says-he-didnt-know-about-matt-patricia-allegations-but-supports-him/23431941/

he was hired as an "offensive assistant" in 2004

different kind of hire, different day and age

He was charged. And then the charge was dismissed. No trial. That should be the end of the story.

Should everyone who was ever accused of something have that haunt them for the rest of their lives?

the Lions did this to him by letting someone else find out first

Are you saying that the Lions should have disclosed to the public that he was once accused of something but the case was dismissed?

Where do you slip that into the press conference?

While that makes pragmatic sense…and is what the Lions clearly would have been better off doing…I think it's ethically questionable and sets the table for a whole new set of problems in society.

Obviously, what's good or bad for society is not the job description of the Lions GM

im saying they shouldnt have hired him without a gameplan for how to handle this.

they let him and the rest of their employees twist in the wind and now "matt patricia lions rape" is a thing people google

>im saying they shouldnt have hired him without a gameplan for
>how to handle this.
>
>they let him and the rest of their employees twist in the wind
>and now "matt patricia lions rape" is a thing people google


Ah, got it and agree.


You should know, and have a plan. Even if you don't announce it beforehand.


They failed in that, spectacularly

>>im saying they shouldnt have hired him without a gameplan
>for
>>how to handle this.
>>
>>they let him and the rest of their employees twist in the
>wind
>>and now "matt patricia lions rape" is a thing people google
>
>
>Ah, got it and agree.
>
>
>You should know, and have a plan. Even if you don't announce
>it beforehand.
>
>
>They failed in that, spectacularly


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Lots of men have dropped charges.
Many of them deserve to be able to work.

This is actually one of the main problems with
the prison industrial complex. MANY undeserving men
have bullshit charges that went nowhere, but come
up in background checks


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theyve shown no plan of any sort. he was hired a LONG time ago now in terms of news cycles.

>theyve shown no plan of any sort. he was hired a LONG time
>ago now in terms of news cycles.

What does a "PR plan" consist of for an alleged crime
where the charges were dropped, 22 years ago? What is
the appropriate manner to handle this? Volunteer it to the
press and say "we looked into it, and he's innocent?"

What is this correct plan that would make you comfortable?

anyone of them could come up with a plan that's better than that.

whether or not he's innocent isn't even the particular question.

it's whether or not your organization takes an accusation like this seriously. you hit the level on that and you skate.

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>anyone of them could come up with a plan that's better than
>that.

>whether or not he's innocent isn't even the particular
>question.
>
>it's whether or not your organization takes an accusation like
>this seriously. you hit the level on that and you skate.

No, no

The question is what would constitute an acceptable plan?

they also employ security people to do background checks.

at every level this argument fails.

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>they also employ security people to do background checks.
>
>at every level this argument fails.

No, I don't understand your point, at all.


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stop lying

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because pretending that the Lions don't have PR employees is bizarre.

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That might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

You know damn well this has nothing to do with an PR
firm, and like I said above: if they had hired a PR
firm, that might look WORSE, like they were covering
something up.

Sounds like you're upset at something, don't know what
it is, and are just talking.


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What would constitute an appropriate PR response
to this? Simply have a plan? Not the contents of that
plan....but simply having one?

So if the exact same thing happened with this case,
but the Lions said: "We hired PR Firm X and they guided
us on how to handle this situation," you'd be fine?

I'm confused.

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you: YOU'RE MAD THEY DIDN'T HIRE PR

...they have hired PR. your charge doesn't work

you: why won't you answer my questiooooooon
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me: two days ago:

"15. I'm pissed that the Lions are apparently acting like they didn't know
Thu May-10-18 04:02 PM
In response to In response to 0

when it seems like their security definitely did pull the records.

If they knew and decided to hire him anyway, say that's what you're doing."

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What exactly is the problem here?

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you: I'm confused

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You'd be fine? There'd NO issue?

Is that what you're saying?

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We're not even talking about the actual situation (whether his employment prospects should be affected).

We're instead talking about how it should have been spun. What type of propaganda would make this hire palatable to people?

>We're not even talking about the actual situation (whether
>his employment prospects should be affected).
>
>We're instead talking about how it should have been spun. What
>type of propaganda would make this hire palatable to people?

They are making NO sense, whatsoever.



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it's not about PR spin.

it's about transparent, honest information.

which *also* is good pr.


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Even tho there's no conviction, you think being
open and transparent is the solution?

So at their opening press conference, you think the
they should have been like "He was indicted for a sexual
assault crime where charges were dropped."

So volunteering the information is what you wanted?

Is that how you feel people should be dealt with in
jobs?

Because that logic would affect black men more.



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getting out in front of this *somehow* would have been the best thing for Patricia also

why are you acting like you just woke up from a nap you took in 2005?

>getting out in front of this *somehow* would have been the
>best thing for Patricia also
>
>why are you acting like you just woke up from a nap you took
>in 2005?

What, operationally, are you talking about?

You're full of vague references

Are you saying that the Lions should have told the press?

i dont know what the right one is, but i have to say it was NOT let him twist in the wind and make themselves look less intelligent than the reporter who dug it up

its obviously on paper somewhere, and you're hiring an NFL head coach.

doing the due diligence to find out and at least having a well crafted, conscientious statement to make the MINUTE the media gets a hold of it would have been 100000000000x better than whats going on right now. because the franchise looks incompetent and the more information that comes out, the worse it seems to get.

>i dont know what the right one is, but i have to say it was
>NOT let him twist in the wind and make themselves look less
>intelligent than the reporter who dug it up
>
>its obviously on paper somewhere, and you're hiring an NFL
>head coach.
>
>doing the due diligence to find out and at least having a well
>crafted, conscientious statement to make the MINUTE the media
>gets a hold of it would have been 100000000000x better than
>whats going on right now. because the franchise looks
>incompetent and the more information that comes out, the worse
>it seems to get.


Yeah, I don't think you immediately announce it at a press conference. But I think you make it clear that the organization did it's due diligence, that everyone knew and vetted and discussed the situation, and came to this decision.

The "we didn't know but maybe we did" answer is bad PR.

the option they chose "uh, we didn't know" when that seems like a lie...is the bad option.


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You don't "announce" that a guy was indicted on a
crime on charges that were dropped.

That isn't how employment works.

LMAO.

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The crazy thing is…I haven't scrolled down yet but already know he is just gonna run with it, regardless of what words anyone wrote.


Because obviously there is no coherent argument against

"Be prepared to explain that you knew about the incident, that it had been vetted and discussed both with Patricia and with management and everyone had come to XYZ decision"


Thats just the basics©

> "Be prepared to explain that you knew about the incident,
>that it had been vetted and discussed both with Patricia and
>with management and everyone had come to XYZ decision"

That is your argument!?!?

If so:
Bwhahahahahhahaha

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Who said there would be "no issue"? You are saying that to avoid answering the question I asked.


I said that would be smart, demonstrate foresight and some common sense, and put the organization in a better position.


No issue? That's either a fantasy, or a red herring. Unless you are asking if it would be an issue for me, in which case my answer is and has been no.

It was likely going to make news at some point, I would want my organization to be prepared, transparent and united on what the response will be when/if it does.


The Lions cannot control whether it becomes an "issue" but they can control their response, their preparedness and the optics of the situation.


Also, you are dumb as bricks

So the issue is NOT the act and the actor but the
WAY it was handled?!?

LMAO

Is that what you're honestly saying!??!?

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Yes, that's what we were talking about in the threat you replied to. The organization's handling of the situation. Not what happened on South Padre Island in 1996 which I know almost nothing about.

We were talking about the Lions and why Cg thought they should fire the GM. Which he wrote in response to my statementI didn't think Patricia should be fired based on the information available.


You didn't read because, as I said before, you are dumb as bricks.



Keep going though, you know I love when you run down a rabbithole to nowhere you lil goofball you

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Keep going little buddy, I seen you type more LOLs than this.


About time you go full Chip Kelly again.

when your whole argument is "they'd have to hire a PR firm because obviously no one employed there has PR as their job title or responsibility"

you're on shaky ground.


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then you: WHY DO YOU SAY THE THING I SAID YOU SAID

stop lying.

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http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/05/11/patricia-sex-assault-case-included-medical-evidence/34794729/

You obviously read to the end of the article. So you surely saw who 4 of the 5 witnesses are.
A nurse, a doctor, and two police. What is shocking about that?

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http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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is what you mean.

I get it.

It's better to link a picture.

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http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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If we're gonna insist on having mere accusations follow someone through life, hover over every future opportunity, then we're asking for a world of trouble for an endless array of innocent people.

I'm hoping the Lions did the right thing and didn't even look into it.

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Good lord

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UNPROVEN ACCUSATIONS

....as though when hiring at this level is not primarily done on the basis of personal relationships that rely exactly on what people think of someone's history.

it's the first lie -- where you pretend like you don't know how things already work.

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>then we're asking for a world of trouble for an endless array of
> innocent people

Especially if you look at any of the studies about assault and rates of false reporting.

Spoiler: false accusations are extremely rare

People are embarrassing themselves in here

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>If we're gonna insist on having mere accusations follow
>someone through life, hover over every future opportunity,
>then we're asking for a world of trouble for an endless array
>of innocent people.
>
>I'm hoping the Lions did the right thing and didn't even look
>into it.

There is NO REASON not to look into it.


That is asinine, and potentially very costly to your business.



You should look into it, and then act accordingly.


If you look into a rape/murder allegation against a potential hire and find out he beat the case when the other witnesses turned up dead, and the DNA evidence they found on the victim was ruled inadmissible because a cop lost chain of custody…that's one thing.

If you look into it, and it was thrown out of court because there was no evidence and the judge found that the police had falsified testimony to secure a grand jury hearing…that is potentially another.


What would one gain by not looking into it…especially a job this public, with this much money involved, in this social climate, as part of an entertainment company with such a charged history regarding violence against women?


Remind me never to give you the keys to my billion-dollar money machine.

how many times more sexual assaults happened there than convictions? 10x? 20x? probably higher.

>how many times more sexual assaults happened there than
>convictions? 10x? 20x? probably higher.

So you would willfully NOT look into it at all?


Seems stupid given all the things I said.

On your side of argument, if you are wrong and he turns out to be a serial child molester who got off on a technicality, or if he does something at the job and people say hey did you ever look into that 1996 sex assault, and you say "no, why would i have it was two decades ago!"...you lose your good name, lots of money, your coach and staff, maybe the GM, more money to a PR firms to salvage situation, and probably some advertisers to boot.


On the one hand maybe you try to find out if everything is good with the huge investment you are making. Even on the remote chance that this is something bigger than it looks. This option you might lose some time and a negligible amount of money, but you essentially risk nothing.


And you pick option one?



God help us all

i'm saying the context of his case makes me less sympathetic to the "he was never convicted" angle.

That analogy is, ironically, disrespectful to Trayvon
Martin.

People are really quite dumb.

not the lie you're telling.

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dude is going to be involved in punishing people who face similar accusations to the one he had.

those people deserve to know about this and how the organization handled it in his case.

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mike patricia's job security isn't keeping anyone innocent from being treated unjustly. we've already slipped way down that slope.

and probably in the next season, Matt Patricia will at some point stand at a podium and explain how they've cut a player for conduct that didn't live up to the Lions standard, even though that player has not yet been convicted of a crime.

and if this was never mentioned, that player would never have the ability to say "but the organization has a different standard for you?"

so who are we protecting exactly.

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My feeling is we're already there in a lot of ways, where we struggle to meet in practice the ideal of affording accused ppl the presumption of innocence...but it was at least uncontroversial to hold it up as the right way, the ideal. I'm just saying it seems its getting to the point now where its taboo to even suggest that the presumption of innocence is a good thing, and then if that mindset wins, society's even more fucked.

you seem to be wildly misled on what "presumption of innocence" has ever meant anywhere.


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... I knew this would be an awful post.

I clicked the post, and sure enough, it's awful.

Now if you'll excuse me, *abesimpson.gif*

Because I have no idea which way to go here. It doesn't seem like he has any other sexual assault issues under his belt. At the same time, the facts around this case make his side look very specious. I'm all for not having stuff like this follow you for life. But the thing about sexual assault cases, there is hardly ever a time when the victim is ever believed unless there are multiple victims (way more than just two).

issues.

or if they're checking now, since they want to claim they didn't know?

real simple stuff.

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...ask people who don't realize that this man will now be in a management position doling out punishment to young black men accused of unbecoming behavior who have not been convicted of crimes.

when they are suspended, cut, or remain unsigned...are y'all going to ask the Lions organization exactly why they accept "he says he didn't do it, there's no conviction" for their head coach but not their DB?

congratulations on protecting the fates of black men by failing to hold the organization to any kind of standard. y'all are so easily tricked into working on behalf of rich white people I swear.

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>...ask people who don't realize that this man will now be in
>a management position doling out punishment to young black men
>accused of unbecoming behavior who have not been convicted of
>crimes.
>
>when they are suspended, cut, or remain unsigned...are y'all
>going to ask the Lions organization exactly why they accept
>"he says he didn't do it, there's no conviction" for their
>head coach but not their DB?
>
>congratulations on protecting the fates of black men by
>failing to hold the organization to any kind of standard.
>y'all are so easily tricked into working on behalf of rich
>white people I swear.
>

What in the world are you talking about? Take a deep breath, please.

Other than a couple odd comments and OE doing this thing- and boy will he have fun with your hyperventilating post- the general reaction here is

1) Hard to make a call on Patricia culpability given the paucity of information available and how long ago the event was.

2) The Lions have not done themselves or Patricia or their fans any favors with their handling of the situation.


Are those reactionary positions?

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1) Hard to make a call on Patricia culpability given the paucity of information available and how long ago the event was.

2) The Lions have not done themselves or Patricia or their fans any favors with their handling of the situation.

This is literally my post from last week.

y'all like disagreeing with me so much you take my old takes.

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>1) Hard to make a call on Patricia culpability given the
>paucity of information available and how long ago the event
>was.
>
>2) The Lions have not done themselves or Patricia or their
>fans any favors with their handling of the situation.
>
>This is literally my post from last week.
>
>y'all like disagreeing with me so much you take my old takes.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


I took it you were saying that the thread was full of reactionary, "PC CULTURE AMOK" hot takes.

My mistake then. Apologies, although I think the post i responded to could have been framed better if that was not what you are saying.

https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/matt-patricia-failures-make-fans-miss-jim-caldwell

seeing this guy burn everything to the ground during his descent from Belichick's orbit is marvelous

>seeing this guy burn everything to the ground during his
>descent from Belichick's orbit is marvelous

Josh "Tebow" McDaniels was ass away from Belichick
Charlie Scheiß, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, now Patricia.

Jury's out on Vrabel. At least Vrabel was a former player and not one of the coaches.

i thought it was a terrible hire for us but its working well.

>At least Vrabel was a former player and
>not one of the coaches.

Got his disparagement of a successful black man down pat.

Trump: I inherited a mess from Obama

Patricia: When I came to Detroit, there was a lot of work to do

I haven't looked closely but there's some stuff

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?two_year_transaction_period=2020&min_date=01%2F01%2F2019&max_date=12%2F31%2F2020

"the amount of arrogance required for a person in Patricia’s position to give a quote like that is truly astounding. The Lions had a winning record in three of the four seasons before Patricia’s tenure began, and made the playoffs twice. Jim Caldwell, who coached the team in each of those four seasons, went 36-28 during his time in Detroit. Patricia, meanwhile, is 10-25-1 as the Lions head coach, and has, incredibly, lost 12 of his last 13 games despite having a lead in all but one of them."

https://defector.com/matt-patricia-has-made-the-lions-as-unlikable-as-they-are-bad/

they were just as personally responsible for New England's success as Belichick was. and that as head coaches, it's now *their* turn to simply imitate Belichick and build the same dynasty, just like that.

I mean, how do you spin your brain to answer a question about your shitty fourth quarter performances by saying:

"Yeah, I don't think so. I think I got probably one of the biggest plays in the fourth quarter in the history of the NFL."

he REALLY REFERENCED the Malcolm Butler interception from FIVE YEARS AGO as the reason he's a good fourth quarter coach. fucking Bill Belichick himself doesn't even reference a good call from last week, and this mfer...

meanwhile bill prolly just has a coded number system for each one because he doesn't remember their names

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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There's literally footage of Flores calling for Butler to go in on that last play.

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Quinn and Patricia were just shitty echoes of the Patriot Way

...when you look at just how many close games they lost, it does really shine a light on just how narrow the margins are in the NFL.

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I’m harder on coaches when a team shows up for a game and can’t score or stop the other team. Aka the Jets over most of the Adam Gase era. Bears offense too.

I want to try to give Lynn a pass with the Chargers based on brutal injuries but he’s getting the side eye a lot lately cuz of the love for Herbert’s fantasy points. But most of both of their lines are not intact. I consider it borderline good coaching that they’ve been so competitive with all of the folks they’ve had out.

Lynn probably gets to come back next season and coach but if he doesn’t get the Chargers to the playoffs then he has to go.

that aggregate gets wider over time

the NFL has 32 teams with the same resource parameters -- games are going to be close.

last year the Chargers (-0.5), Colts (-0.8), Steelers (-0.9), Bears (-1.1) and Broncos (-2.1) had negative point differentials of less than a field goal. none of them made the playoffs.

but the Packers (+3.9), Bills (+3.4), Eagles (+1.9) and Seahawks (+0.4) did. ifs and buts are for the losing teams in the NFL.

It’s just wild how a few more wins, he’d feel vindicated and we’d be talking about him like he’s Belichick 2. And that wasn’t THAT far off from becoming reality.

>It’s just wild how a few more wins, he’d feel vindicated
>and we’d be talking about him like he’s Belichick 2. And
>that wasn’t THAT far off from becoming reality.
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All I needed to know

he demanded accountability but did not take accountability and you see what happened

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>he demanded accountability but did not take accountability
>and you see what happened
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https://images.app.goo.gl/HAuf4uwiPPYmfn8H6

https://images.app.goo.gl/w1Yo9E5qM1nSimPC8

https://images.app.goo.gl/zDaQbdHFz6VwsELy7

https://images.app.goo.gl/kAQTHJbFGQ7rEMRF6

He's not good enough to be a defensive coordinator again, unless Belichick feels like taking him back