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HecticHavoc
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"The Outsider (HBO)"


  

          

HOW IS NO ONE WATCHING THIS?!?!

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Ben Mendelthin could be why. I'm watching because I like the book.
Feb 05th 2020
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Bruh
Feb 05th 2020
3
      I was pissed when he was announced for Ralph
Feb 05th 2020
7
           RE: I was pissed when he was announced for Ralph
Feb 06th 2020
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                I like Erivo, as a fan of four books worth of Holly Gibney
Feb 06th 2020
9
The first two episodes were incredible
Feb 05th 2020
2
im waiting til the season is over. heard nothing but good things tho.
Feb 05th 2020
4
RE: The Outsider (HBO)
Feb 05th 2020
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it's great. was just about to make a thread.
Feb 05th 2020
6
Best murder/crime/police show on HBO since the first season
Feb 06th 2020
10
yep. complete reminder of ep 1 of True Detective
Feb 06th 2020
11
      I think he was an accomplice in that he knew what was happening
Feb 06th 2020
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      RE: yep. complete reminder of ep 1 of True Detective
Feb 10th 2020
14
creepy
Feb 06th 2020
12
Ep 6 - best of the series so far?
Feb 10th 2020
15
I thought it was the weakest or 2nd weakest after the previous week's
Feb 10th 2020
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      yeah. first 2 episodes were complete glory
Feb 13th 2020
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           You don’t remember the colored scotch tape iPhone filter scene?
Feb 13th 2020
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                WHOOPS
Feb 13th 2020
19
talk about a train wreck, right?
Feb 17th 2020
20
say what?
Feb 17th 2020
21
I wouldnt be that hard on it but....
Feb 18th 2020
22
Train wreck is a bit harsh
Feb 18th 2020
23
alright alright. it went from supreme excellence to good
Feb 18th 2020
24
      10 episodes probably hasn't helped...
Feb 18th 2020
25

Cold Truth
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1. "Ben Mendelthin could be why. I'm watching because I like the book."
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He's a good actor... but he's got this combination of a lisp and a back-of-the-throat vocal tone that's absolutely grating.


Also, this is a slow burn, almost painfully at times.

I'd classify it as a solid TV mystery, but not something that's so good I'm shocked that everyone else isn't in it.

That said, I'm all in, warts and all. My biggest concern was how they'd handle Holly, and they've done a solid job of that so I'm good.

  

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3. "Bruh"
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I'm crying at Mendelthin

"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
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Cold Truth
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7. "I was pissed when he was announced for Ralph "
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I'm a big fan of his books, but the adaptations are usually somewhere between shit, ass, and mediocre to me. There are exceptions, like Carrie, and Doctor Sleep was damn good overall.

The Outsider novel is a pretty engaging mystery, likewise until we get to the monster reveal.

What's wild is that my original post had your exact words on the subject, in that it does lose some luster once that part of the mystery is revealed.

So far this is the best, most overall faithful adaptation of a King book in ages. Everyone is putting in work, particularly Mendelthin, Cynthia Erivo, and Julianne Nicholson.

Particularly compared to 11 22 63, which was a poorly adapted dumpster fire IMO.

  

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navajo joe
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8. "RE: I was pissed when he was announced for Ralph "
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I haven't read the book and this has me tempted although we'll see how things go as far as the ending

I originally thought, coming in cold, it was going to be something more parallel universe-y or something else so when it was basically 'the boogie man' I was just a little let down.

I will say that for me Erivo is the weak link in the cast just because it feels like ACTING to me where Mendelson is so understated. It's really hard to pull off that kind of character and make them seem real and it's not for lack of trying on Erivo's part but she's unfortunately the weakest link for me (well her and Asshole Cop).

I'm a little cautious as things begin make themselves clear if they'll be able to sustain the quality and palpable dread of the initial episodes but even if not at least we'll have those. They were basically the best episodes of True Detective we've gotten since that show's first season.

>I'm a big fan of his books, but the adaptations are usually
>somewhere between shit, ass, and mediocre to me. There are
>exceptions, like Carrie, and Doctor Sleep was damn good
>overall.
>
>The Outsider novel is a pretty engaging mystery, likewise
>until we get to the monster reveal.
>
>What's wild is that my original post had your exact words on
>the subject, in that it does lose some luster once that part
>of the mystery is revealed.
>
>So far this is the best, most overall faithful adaptation of a
>King book in ages. Everyone is putting in work, particularly
>Mendelthin, Cynthia Erivo, and Julianne Nicholson.
>
>Particularly compared to 11 22 63, which was a poorly adapted
>dumpster fire IMO.

"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

"The way that you control a motherfucker that ain't don't nothing is you give them something. Then you hold it over their heads."
Patrice O'Neal

  

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Cold Truth
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9. "I like Erivo, as a fan of four books worth of Holly Gibney"
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IMO Erivo's actually playing Holly in a muted way. From a real-world standpoint, she's a borderline superhero in the Hodges trilogy (Mr Mercedes). So from my standpoint, she's actually showing significant restraint, rather than going all Oscar(Emmy?) Bait with Holly's "spectrum" powers, so to speak.

But I could also be biased, being so happy for a solid translation that I'm accepting a mediocre performance.

  

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navajo joe
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2. "The first two episodes were incredible"
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Overall it's been really really good

It lost some of its luster as the PuttyFace Killah comes further into focus for me but
there's some brilliant work on display here especially in terms of Mendelson's performance, the score which is legit unnerving, and the sound design.

Last week's episode was probably the weakest for me.

"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

"The way that you control a motherfucker that ain't don't nothing is you give them something. Then you hold it over their heads."
Patrice O'Neal

  

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Reeq
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4. "im waiting til the season is over. heard nothing but good things tho."
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5. "RE: The Outsider (HBO)"
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The El Cuco/Grief Eater explanation brought it home for me because these families were completely falling apart for seemingly no reason.

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6. "it's great. was just about to make a thread."
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calij81
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10. "Best murder/crime/police show on HBO since the first season "
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of True Detective.

It is very tense and a lot of that has to do with the music and sound design.

I never read the book it is based on so I’m interested to hear from those who have what was changed for better or worse in this adaptation.

Question, has the main police officer dreaming when he saw his son and if so has this happened before because he didn’t seem to react shocked to see him.

  

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HecticHavoc
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11. "yep. complete reminder of ep 1 of True Detective"
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>of True Detective.
>
>It is very tense and a lot of that has to do with the music
>and sound design.
>
>I never read the book it is based on so I’m interested to
>hear from those who have what was changed for better or worse
>in this adaptation.
>
>Question, has the main police officer dreaming when he saw his
>son and if so has this happened before because he didn’t
>seem to react shocked to see him.

havent read the novel either - im a bit worried about the reveal (ive never read a King novel but ive heard his stories end badly) - i have faith Bateman wont fuck this up

i think he was dreaming, or just lucidly imagined him, similar to when he looked at the kid he shot and saw his son.

man... the scenes when the people affected die and it pans to him (VERY EERILY) watching and walking away. whew.

i may re-watch the last two episodes, but im a bit confused on the dude who had the unloaded gun. they claim he's an 'accomplice', so is he similar to the other murder detective that threw the lamps in the forest? (LOL) - we better get clarification of what he was doing that for.

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13. "I think he was an accomplice in that he knew what was happening"
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And what Play-Doh face was planning to do and that Play-Doh face killed those girls but he didn’t try to stop him, hooked him up with lamps, and he didn’t come forward to tell the police what he knew.

  

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14. "RE: yep. complete reminder of ep 1 of True Detective"
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>havent read the novel either - im a bit worried about the
>reveal (ive never read a King novel but ive heard his stories
>end badly) - i have faith Bateman wont fuck this up


Episode 6 that aired tonight really flirted with disaster during the fight sequence. It felt like an entirely different show for five minutes.

Shame because everything else was probably the best episode of the season yet in terms of tension. The way they balanced the tone of Holly describing El Cuco to the squad and how who was reacting to what was fascinating. And how much they let that whole thing breath and really sink in for every character.


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12. "creepy"
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im legit scared to watch these episodes, seems like anything can happen

  

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15. "Ep 6 - best of the series so far?"
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I think so

  

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16. "I thought it was the weakest or 2nd weakest after the previous week's"
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It was fine (outside of the abysmal sequence w/ Asshole Cop) but the first two episodes of this show were so good it's insane.

I have a feeling this series unravels the more the mystery about Yung Coco is made clear

The shit with the iphone was eye-rolling writing. The old woman ass-beating was just straight out of a significantly worse show.

"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
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17. "yeah. first 2 episodes were complete glory"
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>It was fine (outside of the abysmal sequence w/ Asshole Cop)
>but the first two episodes of this show were so good it's
>insane.
>
>I have a feeling this series unravels the more the mystery
>about Yung Coco is made clear
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>The shit with the iphone was eye-rolling writing. The old
>woman ass-beating was just straight out of a significantly
>worse show.
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the mom in the apartment scene was straight out of It2 (an absolute disgrace to humanity and i liked part 1) - but I did enjoy the episode quite a bit up until then - it went by much faster to me than any other episode

im sitting here upset i dont remember the iphone scene

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18. "You don’t remember the colored scotch tape iPhone filter scene?"
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19. "WHOOPS"
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yeah i didnt hate that. i was able to believe the whole he sheds his skin "like a snake" thing. im sure when I watch again it'll look worse but my mind is dominated by that apartment scene getting ragdolled by air.

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20. "talk about a train wreck, right?"
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but i suppose this is vintage HBO, start off incredible and fall on your face as it goes. didnt expect it to be this quick tho.

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21. "say what?"
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I think the show's still great at building tension and I'm invested in all of these characters for unique reasons at this point.

The only complaint I can think of for that episode was that the plot is basically spinning its wheels at this point, but the shots of Jack/the bug on its back make it pretty clear that was the episode's major theme.

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22. "I wouldnt be that hard on it but...."
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this was def the weakest ep so far.

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23. "Train wreck is a bit harsh"
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bit it does appear the writing and some of the decisions in the plot points are starting to suffer because of the subpar writing. It's a shame because all the actors/actresses are knocking the material out of the park. I can't think of a legimate weak link in terms of the performances, although I do think the divorced cop with the e.Coli redneck is a bit too one note, but that's because of the writing and not his performance.

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HecticHavoc
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24. "alright alright. it went from supreme excellence to good"
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just completely lost the mystique for me but i am a loyal fan

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25. "10 episodes probably hasn't helped..."
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8 max

  

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