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OldPro
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"Y'all ain't gonna like this....... but I'm sorry Aaliyah's catalog........."


  

          

... ain't all that strong.

Truthfully I'm not sure it's better than Keyshia Cole's up to this point. Yeah Keyshia has dropped 4 albums to Aaliyah's 3 but she has done that in 5 years where as Aaliyah took 7 for 3.

Does Aaliyah have a few classic cuts? No doubt... but her albums aren't all that strong really. Now don't get me wrong I don't think Keyshia is making great albums either but I think she has just as many good tracks as Baby Girl does. There has been a lot of revisionism since Aaliyah's death. I know for a fact that "One in a Million" wasn't being called a 4 1/2 star album (as Allmusic.com has it now) when it dropped. Solid album... yeah but gtfoh saying that shit is a half star away from perfect.

What really drove this home for me was when I was listening to that compilation album "I Care 4 U" that dropped right after her passing. I realized that everything you need from her is right there on that best of joint.... even at that the track list was padded because truthfully she don't have enough cuts over 3 albums to really do it up right.

So in summation, Aaliyah was a beautiful girl who died a tragic death but as an artist she isn't nearly as special as some folks want to make her out to be.

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Quality over quantity
May 19th 2011
1
RE: Y'all ain't gonna like this....... but I'm sorry Aaliyah's catalog.....
May 19th 2011
2
Exactly
May 19th 2011
3
      the majority coming from one and a million.
May 19th 2011
4
           One and a Million is her best no doubt
May 19th 2011
5
                i think you're being unfair to her 3rd album
May 19th 2011
13
                     The songs I like on her 3rd I like more than just about any of her cuts
May 20th 2011
19
I mean you have a point (a weak one) and all but she died at 22
May 19th 2011
6
Heard This Argument Before Many Times.....
May 19th 2011
7
Spot on
May 19th 2011
8
downhill after her work with R.Kelly
May 19th 2011
9
RE: downhill after her work with R.Kelly
May 20th 2011
17
yah,
May 19th 2011
10
*likes this*
May 19th 2011
11
who argues that aaliyah's catalog is strong?
May 19th 2011
12
the Cult of Aaliyah.
May 20th 2011
16
      I work with one of them
May 20th 2011
20
thing is I grew up with Keyshia Cole and STILL know more Aaliyah
May 19th 2011
14
I wouldn't go that far. Let it go is my shit forever. Love was a hitter
May 19th 2011
15
Love is an off-key, warbly piece of shit.
May 20th 2011
18
Dude "Take Me Away" is everywhere right now
May 20th 2011
21
      I live in Omaha, NE and don't use the radio
May 20th 2011
32
aaliyah's LPs are interesting r&b artifacts at best BUT...
May 20th 2011
22
So the fact that Aaliyah had access to a legendary producer
May 20th 2011
23
      regardless of how singers like A + KC are portrayed
May 21st 2011
41
but she was cuter than Keyshia tho
May 20th 2011
24
RE: but she was cuter than Keyshia tho
May 20th 2011
26
RE: but she was cuter than Keyshia tho
May 20th 2011
27
Better not say this around Black women around 30
May 20th 2011
25
That does seem to be the demo doesn't it?
May 20th 2011
28
that's absolutely the demo
May 20th 2011
29
Peer group
May 20th 2011
37
man this girl in my hip-hop studies class
May 20th 2011
33
I recommend all of her albums!
May 20th 2011
30
Journey To The Past LIVE
May 20th 2011
31
even one in a million isnt nearly as good as ppl made out
May 20th 2011
34
The Timbaland cuts hold up extremely well.
May 20th 2011
35
      RE: The Timbaland cuts hold up extremely well.
May 20th 2011
36
disagree - she has some enduring jams. many current stars won't
May 20th 2011
38
'jams' and 'catalog' aren't the same shit tho
May 20th 2011
39
      true - her catalog of jams is still better than many that have come up
May 23rd 2011
52
her music stood out to me more than Keyshia's does
May 20th 2011
40
i'm ambivalent to this whole line of reasoning, honestly
May 21st 2011
42
nobody's in here saying you can't have that connection
May 21st 2011
46
      but every artist or band have got 'teh crazy' fanatics
May 21st 2011
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           nah we're not talking about people like you
May 21st 2011
48
                ok das is ein cool, then
May 21st 2011
49
his music started to become interesting when she dropped that
May 21st 2011
43
that album was a grower, it's only the last couple yrs that ive dug it
May 21st 2011
44
Aaliyah was jammin..period
May 21st 2011
45
I wish I had the money to buy her catalog
May 23rd 2011
50
RE: Y'all ain't gonna like this....... but I'm sorry Aaliyah's catalog.....
May 23rd 2011
51
Easy... they both have catalogs
May 23rd 2011
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      RE: Easy... they both have catalogs
May 23rd 2011
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RE: I think a lot of people got caught up in the sadness of her death.
May 23rd 2011
54
it's not that strong....but her last album was solid, and to me
May 23rd 2011
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RE: it's not that strong....but her last album was solid, and to me
May 24th 2011
57

Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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1. "Quality over quantity"
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Thu May-19-11 05:40 PM by Nick Has a Problem..

  

          

Aaliyah's hits are way bigger and her album cuts aren't bad either. When you got MONSTER singles you ain't gotta release new shit every other year.

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2. "RE: Y'all ain't gonna like this....... but I'm sorry Aaliyah's catalog....."
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Back & Forth (Original & R Kelly Remix)
Age Ain't Nothing But A Number
At Your Best (You Are Love)
Hot Like Fire
One In A Million
A Girl Like You
If Your Girl Only Knew
4 Page Letter
Giving You More
Heartbroken
Never Comin' Back
Ladies In Da House
Are You That Somebody?
Try Again
We Need A Resolution
Loose Rap
Rock The Boat
More Than A Woman
I Care 4 U

...are all better than anything Keyshia Cole could ever dream of recording (not that I would ever listen).

  

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OldPro
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3. "Exactly"
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That list is padded as hell

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4. "the majority coming from one and a million."
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there are very few cohesive r&b albums in my opinion.

  

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5. "One and a Million is her best no doubt"
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But I'd still stop short of calling it great

Her first and third are spotty to put it kindly... the first one sounds dated as fuck too

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13. "i think you're being unfair to her 3rd album"
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she had some good cuts on there. it's much more listenable than her 1st album, to be sure. nice production on several of those tracks.

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19. "The songs I like on her 3rd I like more than just about any of her cuts"
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Problem is there's only 3-4 of them

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6. "I mean you have a point (a weak one) and all but she died at 22"
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she was just getting started.


  

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7. "Heard This Argument Before Many Times....."
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And no disrespect, but there're no new flags anywhere. I don't get how people got the impression Aaliyah was supposed to be Minnie Riperton? She's just an average R&B singer who knew her limits but still worked what she had the best way she knew how.

  

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8. "Spot on"
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>She's just an average R&B singer who
>knew her limits but still worked what she had the best way she
>knew how.

and not a damn thing wrong with that.... she got a good number of cuts I really enjoy.


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9. "downhill after her work with R.Kelly"
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because IMO if R and her stayed the course She would have been the Janet Jackson of her era.

Back and forth,age ain't nothin but a number at your best remix

then her on his albums was on point.

they could have been unstoppable as a duo for many years IMO.

when she went and worked with Beat-makers and the fact she was just ok to begin with only watered it down even more.

Keyshia Cole is just a updated Broke Hood version of Mary J Blege and a another Ashanti, though Keyshia Coles keeps me glassy eyed on her looking good.

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17. "RE: downhill after her work with R.Kelly"
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> She would have
>been the Janet Jackson of her era.


That's the greatest appeal, that an artist like JJ had an heir apparent. Focusing on vocals diminishes Janet also. The catalog of hits cannot be separated from the visual aspect of choreography in both cases. Add enhanced production values to the dance numbers and voila: Aaliyah was getting to the 95 dollar and up ticket price range and only death stopped her. If you look at her catalog in that context, you see the juggernaut that was forming.

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10. "yah,"
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I usually like her music more than her voice.

  

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11. "*likes this*"
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12. "who argues that aaliyah's catalog is strong?"
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most of the nostalgia for her hinges on her *potential* to become a breakout star, not any notion that she has all these amazing songs.

however, i'd strongly disagree w/the notion that the one in a million album wasn't considered *great* when it came out. black teens were on that album something TOUGH.

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16. "the Cult of Aaliyah."
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they may show up here.

i've been continually amazed by them.

fuck you.

  

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20. "I work with one of them"
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So I know first hand the crazy shit that comes out their mouth

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14. "thing is I grew up with Keyshia Cole and STILL know more Aaliyah"
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Sup wit dat?

Actually, I can't even name a Keyshia single. But I'm also white as shit besides the fact my favorite music is black. So maybe I'm an unregistered voter here. I honestly cant' think of a Keyshia Cole song.


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15. "I wouldn't go that far. Let it go is my shit forever. Love was a hitter"
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18. "Love is an off-key, warbly piece of shit."
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At least Aaliyah new the limits of her instrument and didn't try shit she knew she couldn't sing.

  

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21. "Dude "Take Me Away" is everywhere right now"
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I've heard that shit coming out of cars all over the Bay.... well maybe because it's the bay lol

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32. "I live in Omaha, NE and don't use the radio"
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So, there. LOL. I'm aware of the hits when I go out and I know we got Keyshia fans in this city but man I ain't seeing 'em.

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22. "aaliyah's LPs are interesting r&b artifacts at best BUT..."
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i'm sorry...the singles?

as short a time as she was here--One In A Million, Are You That Somebody, Try Again, We Need A Resolution, and a grip of her other shit, pushed things forward in pop and set standards that keyshia doesn't even have the mental capacity to *want* to try for.

the influence of her and timbo's work was huge
even a bunch of culturally coveted indie rock bands (that i can't be bothered to list), and cats that would fall more under the umbrella of "formal musicians" than pop stars or beatmakers run around talking about how big all that stuff was for them, influentially.

good luck getting something like that out of keyshia. (just keeping it real.)

  

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23. "So the fact that Aaliyah had access to a legendary producer "
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>i'm sorry...the singles?
>
>as short a time as she was here--One In A Million, Are You
>That Somebody, Try Again, We Need A Resolution, and a grip of
>her other shit, pushed things forward in pop and set standards
>that keyshia doesn't even have the mental capacity to *want*
>to try for.
>
>the influence of her and timbo's work was huge
>even a bunch of culturally coveted indie rock bands (that i
>can't be bothered to list), and cats that would fall more
>under the umbrella of "formal musicians" than pop stars or
>beatmakers run around talking about how big all that stuff was
>for them, influentially.
>
>good luck getting something like that out of keyshia. (just
>keeping it real.)

automatically made her more intelligent and capable than Keyshia Cole? That reads like some classist nonsense. I could see if you knew them both in a personal capacity, but I doubt you do. Unless I'm mistaken, the production and arrangement on those songs you listed is what really qualifies them as progressive in the first place.

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41. "regardless of how singers like A + KC are portrayed"
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they do end up having some kind of a say in what their "sound" is..

aaliyah could've decided to roll with whatever hot-at-the-time producers had made the now more dated/less interesting cuts on One In A Million.
It's not like timbo was katy perry/JT status at that point... he just had a good buzz.
(a buzz that really received its *serious* substantiation beyond gin's "pony" *after* his work with her had come out.)
...but she had the good ear/mindset to roll with the dude who was clearly more progressive.

keyshia could make the effort to reach out to someone doing something a bit more interesting like timbo was at the time, but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdLAvOMHpqo

EDIT: the only reasonable excuse is that aaliyah existed in an era where R&B/Hip Hop resided in the center of the pop zeitgeist...and people bought records.
i.e. as much as the genre was lamented back then, in retrospect there was still a lot more leeway to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak.
whereas keyshia has existed mostly in an era where urban music's pop value has been notably maligned, therefore in a business sense she could risk making herself invisible in an already partially commercially dormant genre... but in my eyes that's all the more reason to just go ahead do the hail mary throw... be as left as you wanna be, fuck it.
(but she would have to want to be.)

  

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24. "but she was cuter than Keyshia tho"
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26. "RE: but she was cuter than Keyshia tho"
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yep!!!

  

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27. "RE: but she was cuter than Keyshia tho"
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But Keyshia got nicer mammies.

  

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25. "Better not say this around Black women around 30"
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they will lose their mind. To them Aaliyah was about to be the next Janet Jackson and she was also on the verge of becoming a major motion picture star.

  

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28. "That does seem to be the demo doesn't it?"
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I'm thinking back to everyone that proclaimed the greatness of Baby Girl and I think they've all been right there in that range

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29. "that's absolutely the demo"
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black folks who are her age. i was in college @ an HBCU the day after she died....there was seriously a pall over the campus. folks were DE-pressed. especially the chix who got part of their shine off being aaliyah-like (lol but 4 real doe).

she DID have that star quality while alive, but 10 years later it's definitely refracted even more through the gone-too-soon lens than it was back then. you gotta remember that for my generation, she was the first female star to die an untimely death like that. let folks have their memories & mythos lol.

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37. "Peer group"
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She was "one of them" so they feel as though she was cut down before she could fully realize her greatness and no one can compare to her. My sister and all her friends would still argue that she was on her way to Janet/Madonna level fame.

  

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33. "man this girl in my hip-hop studies class"
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Done dressed for Halloween, and when we had to do a presentation on '90s hip-hop, I did the whole 2 hour thing except for the part about R&B because ol' girl HAD to put her Aaliyah outfit on and talk about her and Chili being the coolest bitches on the planet.

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30. "I recommend all of her albums!"
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To me she has albums that you can listen to all the way through. It is a damn shame that her last two albums have not been reissued! You are not doing yourself justice with her greatest hits. Her third album needs a deluxe edition. Static(R.I.P) did a great job on the third album. Also, it would be nice if there could be an official release of the MASTERS AT WORK mixes for "More Than A Woman".

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31. "Journey To The Past LIVE"
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My favorite song by her:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7E8YGLg1nk

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34. "even one in a million isnt nearly as good as ppl made out"
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it doesnt hold up as an album

she has a good greatest hits cd, but thats as far as it goes

people just buy into the aaliyah thing a lot cos of how she looked imo

but theres not much of an interesting backstory for her to even become a myth like a billie holiday or even a diana ross

  

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35. "The Timbaland cuts hold up extremely well."
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I mean....very few people are out there talking about, "OMG you have to hear Babygirl's take on 'Got to Give It Up', she & Slick Rick transform it!" LOL

Bottom line, of the 3 Black teen pop girls (her, Brandy & Monica), she was far and away the sexiest, and people dug her style & thought she would blow up more. Y'all are making her phenomenon out to be way more than what it is.

Also, tapedeck's replies have to be jokes lol

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36. "RE: The Timbaland cuts hold up extremely well."
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No jokes.

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38. "disagree - she has some enduring jams. many current stars won't"
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be able to say that.

  

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39. "'jams' and 'catalog' aren't the same shit tho"
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that's where the argument is

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52. "true - her catalog of jams is still better than many that have come up"
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since her demise. That first album has a half album of legit songs right there, maybe even 3/4. I can still play that album like it's nothing.

  

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40. "her music stood out to me more than Keyshia's does"
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She was four (WOW Really?!) albums and her best of wouldn't be half as good as Aaliyah's.

I don't think she was the greatest, but she was very well loved and I believe that's why people responded to her death the way they did.

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42. "i'm ambivalent to this whole line of reasoning, honestly"
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it's unfair to speculate on how much better she could've gotten in future, but essentially saying her music didn't mean shit to ppl BEFORE she became the go-to posthumous r&b goddess ain't fair either (or that we're past the 'Aaliyah is the greatest' worship and can finally see her discog as the average affair that it is...not so). and in reference to her music holding up, that entire argument is subjective in relation to the person's own experience. for instance, u can't discount my love for her music just becos i grew up on her first two albums and associate em with my burgeoning feelings of love, and falling in love for the first time. those are my connections to her music from adolescence into my teens. to ME, her first two albums hold up REAL well. i can acknowledge there was and will be better singers than her that make better music. but at the same time i can pop on either album and listen to em all the way through. even "OIAM" which might sound scattered due to the splitting of the production duties, the Timbo tracks hold up supremely well (as do all of Tim's first-run work with G & Missy n Aaliyah). but "Choosey Lover"? y'all didn't like it? "Got To Give It Up" will still get a party jumpin today. the title track, whether u wanna admit it or not, is also still a big kick in the ass and considered an r&b CLASSIC. she wasn't even 18 at the time. man, the potential she had will always outweigh the scant few albums she managed to release before the plane crash, but i can't clap to denigrating her discog becos of it. her music and my para-social r/ship with her persona say otherwise. if u add the remixes and other assorted Tim-related work she's been involved with, u could compile a great Best Of (and Best Ofs in general are barometers for an artist's greatness now? she got better cuts than those that appeared on "IC4U").

in terms of the kind of sound she was starting to lean toward as she got older with her music, it was slightly darker, add to that the fact she had discovered Lewis Taylor only a year or so before her death, so who knows how that could've influenced her future work.

i think time & place plays a huge part too. ask my anyone my age now (26 and above) in Australia who grew up on the early 90s r&b stalwarts (Kells, Jodeci, Aaliyah, Guy) and they could give a fuck about Keyshia Cole. i dont think ive ever heard a Keyshia song let alone an album. she just never factored into the scene here. Aaliyah was quite prevalent tho, and is still largely appreciated by all the same ppl in my vicinity who i grew up with. i dont know anyone who i associate with from my immediate area (that is, the entire state of Victoria/city of Melbourne) that even knows of or listens to or RATES Keyshia Cole.

lastly, Aaliyah had that extra somethin. i know it's often brought up to justify the worship, but whether it was choosing to roll with Timbo before he was seriously a force to be reckoned with, or the (seemingly maligned) "mystique" factor (the hair over the one eye thing, her general laid back, reserved but fly girl u could kick it with persona), i know *i* loved her as much back then as i did after her passing. i'm not making any of this up to dissuade this largely unnecessary post criticising a dead girl's music who never lived past 22, simply saying whatever made her so loved existed while she was still on this Earth.

but i forget that OKP doesn't like to include personal connections when judging an artist's output or that artist as a whole :/ clearly her music meant and continues to mean something and holds up and all that good stuff that makes her worthy of mass praise. for u it's like peering from the outside in, for a lifelong Aaliyah fan it's like u were there from the beginning and were part of the ride so our POV on EVERYTHING is gonna be counter to ur experience. and of course there's all the distortions that come with an artist's untimely demise and all the complicated emotions that arise as a result (wat SoWhat refers to as the "cult" part of the worship). ain't that standard behaviour tho?

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46. "nobody's in here saying you can't have that connection"
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or that it shouldn't mean anything to you or anyone else
we're talking about people that overdo the shit
her catalog is FAR from incredible or untouchable, that's what we're saying, and her acolytes won't have that shit because of that connection
same thing with Lauryn Hill, except she hasn't kicked it yet
you can't go off shit that wasn't made when talking about catalog, just off what we have, and her albums were, as a whole, lacking
her singles? excellent
and "Choosy Lover" is a remake that she didn't have the ability to make her own, so that doesn't really count as a high point in her career to me (even tho I like her version of it)

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47. "but every artist or band have got 'teh crazy' fanatics"
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but they're usually the minority. most fans i've met are just music lovers n nerds and act with respect. as far as Aaliyah nutjobs, i haven't seen evidence of that much on OKP. u see that kinda shit mostly on YouTube vid comments where all the crazies convene and be crazy. i just felt like, im not a crazy person, and i love the shit outta Aaliyah (not just the personal connection but for the music too). so doesn't the criticism kinda include ppl like me as well? n im not delusional either, im a fan but not 'teh crazy'. i think her place in r&b history is there for a reason that has nothing to do with a premature death. so i still feel the need to defend her (and my) position. the implication is that Aaliyah's music, no matter how highly regarded, is inferior. and i don't agree with that sooo......
.....wat now? lol.

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48. "nah we're not talking about people like you"
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and its not about her music being inferior, just that in the eyes of her acolytes its put over shit that's better just because it's her
there's no need to defend what you like, unless you know the shit is wack as fuck and even then iont wanna hear it
but nah we're not talking about you and people like you, Qually

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49. "ok das is ein cool, then"
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id continue this convo but i gotta go take a shit, smoke some shit n watch some shit...yeh. lol.

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43. "his music started to become interesting when she dropped that "
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self titled album...that one, unlike her first 2 albums, was fucking brilliant and showed a lot of promise.
Unfortunately she died quickly after and we've probably missed the opportunity to see her peak

  

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44. "that album was a grower, it's only the last couple yrs that ive dug it"
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i only liked half of it upon release, then she died and i didn't listen to an Aaliyah song for nearly 6yrs. so..took me a while lol, but ye, that album's dope. "I Can Be" is nasty. Static did a lot of good work on that. only track i coulda done w/out was "I Refuse". still don't like it.

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45. "Aaliyah was jammin..period"
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but it would be interesting to see parallel if say Rihanna's life was cut short.. everyone would argue she had some monster singles but shit albums..

One in a Million is still a dope album to me, the 1st album is dear to me because her voice had way more range than any of them after and to be 15 she had exceptional vocal control when you put things into perspective considering technology wasn't where it is now a la auto tune now. The last one you could tell her & Timbaland were just getting started on something that potentially could have been great down the line.

imo Aaliyah had dope songs on their own..but how can you judge one off 3 albums???? I always say it's like saying Big was the greatest off 2 albums, shit just don't mesh.

Whoever said she was everything for any female around 30 from that era (I'm 29) hit it on the nail. She wasn't stuck up or portraying something she wasn't like some females of that era and we gravitated towards that. She's EVERYTHING that Keri, Ciara etc aren't. She knew her limits and worked it with dope production and played up her dancing. THAT is the reason she could have very well been the next Janet(who at one time played to the same strengths and weaknesses).

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50. "I wish I had the money to buy her catalog"
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-I would scrap that greatest hits
-I would add extra tracks to her first album including the remix for "At Your Best"
-I would do deluxe editions of the 2nd and 3rd albums
-I would put all of her songs from soundtracks on a special collection
-I would reissue all of her cd singles
-I would do vinyl versions of her albums/12 inches on colored vinyl
-I would use digi packs for her cd albums

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51. "RE: Y'all ain't gonna like this....... but I'm sorry Aaliyah's catalog....."
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How does the comparison of these two artists even make any kinda sense?

Aaliyah is a dance-pop icon, multi-media threat.. along the lines of Janet Jackson, Madonna, etc..

K. Cole is a straight ahead urban songstress/vocalist.. along the lines of Mary J. Blige or Faith Evans..

Their catalogs can't be compared side by side because other than the superficial similarities of r&b, young, pretty, black females, etc.. they are not the same type of artist.. at all.


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53. "Easy... they both have catalogs"
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>Their catalogs can't be compared side by side because other
>than the superficial similarities of r&b, young, pretty, black
>females, etc.. they are not the same type of artist.. at
>all.

It's not hard for anyone to listen to each ones catalog and say which one is more enjoyable... we do this with artists all the time. Doesn't mean they have to be alike or anything like that. People looking for comparisons are missing the whole point... I didn't start out saying KC was Aaliyah 2.0 or anything... It just kinda hit me that Keyshia has as many good songs as Baby Girl does.... and I don't think of KC as a great or legendary artist. Some of you are looking for an agenda in this post when there really isn't any.

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55. "RE: Easy... they both have catalogs"
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Oh okay.. point taken.




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54. "RE: I think a lot of people got caught up in the sadness of her death."
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And, especially with the self-titled album, overstated its quality.

(hell, even I'm guilty of that)

I mean, she was never anything more than a pretty face and an awesome voice to sing the songs. Granted, she did that really well, but in retrospect, her catalogue was indeed very spotty.

Which is all you can expect from a big budget, assembly line singer.

She did have potential to grow into a very rewarding and possibly even mature adult contempo r+b sort of thing, but sadly it just wasn't meant to be I guess.

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56. "it's not that strong....but her last album was solid, and to me"
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showed a lot of potential for the future..as far as her making quality music the more of a star she became (because that doesn't always happen.....see beyonce)

I will say this though that Timb and Missy were really locked in with her on their production and writing for her..

  

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57. "RE: it's not that strong....but her last album was solid, and to me"
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>I will say this though that Timb and Missy were really locked
>in with her on their production and writing for her..

Static too(R.I.P). He wrote her some tight tracks. Its like all of them belong together.

  

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