I limit this to social change, because I think changes in technology immediately come to mind if I say the biggest change in general you've seen in your lifetime.

I was thinking about this topic today as I listened to a podcast about the Name Image and Likeness deals happening in college sports and just thought how adamantly opposed folks were to paying college athletes. Like it's a change that seems drastic and sudden but I guess has been in the work for decades.

The biggest change I think comes to mind for me though, is:

1. The complete unmasking of the Republican Party and Christian Right. Like in the 80s, they did a good job of fooling most Americans that they were about Christian Values and morality, but Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich have paved the way for Trump, and I think it's pretty clear it has always been a white supremacy power grab (at least for me its clear). These folks have no grounds to speak on any moral issue.

2. The whole music censorship debate. Like Prince songs were scandalous as a kid, and cops were shutting down NWA shows but that war seems pretty much over and now WAP is performed at the Grammys.

3. Advancement of Gay Rights. Seems like we were just debating gay marriage and it just seems so silly an issue now. This shows up so often as a huge cultural shift when you watch anything from the 80s, and they have all these cringy gay jokes.

4. I feel like interracial dating used to be a controversial idea, and now it's such a non-issue and norm; it's controversial for Dr. Umar to say Black Men should marry Black Women (at least controversial on Twitter)

5. Gambling. We've Gone from only legally gambling in Jersey & Vegas to my kids having online gambling accounts (well, it's game versions, but it's preying on them for when they turn 18). Similarly:

6. Legalization of Weed. I don't think I ever would have thought in the 90s we'd reach this form of legalization of weed we are seeing today.

Just a few things that immediately come to mind. What do you got?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

were the first thing that came to my mindd

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Tinder commercial where two men kissed. We have come a looong way. Granted the Lucy show wasn't airing during my lifetime (just re-runs by the time I was born) but still ... a married hetero couple pretended to sleep in twin sized beds next to each other for TV.

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to cringing when I hear it in old songs or movies now

this is the only answer imo

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

They’re treated like drive-bys in poor neighborhoods.
- there’s sadness and outrage but real change has not occurred.

Inability to act
- there use to be a time where if seeing a disparaging act against someone, it would automatically spark others to action or at least yell for help, but now people just record on their phones.

Middle-man in EVERYTHING
- most of the times it deals with visiting a site or app for any order.

Entitlement
- its not just for white folks anymore

1) Dating is pretty much dead. People will be lucky if they can find a match. So many expectations, rules, choices and fears.

2) Mental Health is so prevalent. 1 in 4 people have a mental health issue. I am terrified of reacting to strangers because I have no idea how they might respond given the stats on mental instability in the U.S.

3) Gen Z is afraid of everything. Afraid to drive, be poor, have kids, war, toxins in food. Yet they are also the most likely to do some of the riskiest things I have ever heard of, like hike through Antartica. Lots of paradoxes with this generation.

4) Kids don't go outside. It is rare to see kids just playing in the neighborhood and having good ole fashioned fun.

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
Heart & Mind

but its all supervised.

Parents everywhere, nit like in out days when we would play outside unsupervised for hours and hours.

I often wonder if in a town like I grew up in would I be okay with my daughters running outside like we used to do. When I go home, these kids still outside like we used to be skateboarding and chilling.

but I live right behind a city park. I can open my back gate to a playground, soccer field, basketball courts and softball field. There are always games and practices happenings over there so my view is skewed.

oh, and these latino’s be outside, outside. Soccer and birthday parties every weekend regardless of weather.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

that shit has changed everything.

if we unplugged that shit tomorrow the world would fucking end.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

It's the clear answer which really all the other stuff stems from.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It's so pervasive....

I recall the early to mid-aughts when I was heavy into tech and was on the first wave of smartphones.... i'm talking Windows Mobile joints that had full internet browsers and stuff... I would be at social functions feeling like a complete ostrich browsing my lil tiny ass screen (likely on OKP) while everyone else was interacting and doing normal human shit.

Fast forward to know....i'm still feeling like the odd man out because i've made a conscious effort to NOT be on my phone when in social settings...but of course that's pretty abnormal in many instances now...
Standing in line...i'm looking around at whatever is going on..
In the waiting room....i'm browsing what's left of the magazine collections on the table.
Waiting at the stoplight....I'm actually waiting for the light to change lol..

There's basically no real "social" anymore...

and used to use it to easily pull girls at the bars and clubs

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

i would be at a house party at 3am reading news stories and shit.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Im not on tiktok but it was a tiktok of a retail employee ranting about how hard it is working 40 hours a week and she can't afford to live in her own place and pay all her bills the way we could when we were her age (we couldn't afford our own place on a Walmart salary either back then, but..) and how our generation fucked everything up for her

I see these every once a while, like a Starbucks employee crying in his car how hard life is because he had to work a 9 hour shift

They generally get met with a few in support, but mostly dogpiles and quote tweets from older millenals and GenXers on how soft and entitled Gen Z is

And I'll admit to having initial reactions to these types of videos but mostly I try to think about all the goofy know-it-all opinions and complaints I had when I was 19 or 20 that just weren't put out there for the whole world to shit on

>And I'll admit to having initial reactions to these types of
>videos but mostly I try to think about all the goofy
>know-it-all opinions and complaints I had when I was 19 or 20
>that just weren't put out there for the whole world to shit
>on

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First thing that came to mind was LGBTQ rights, etc. We were voting on gay marriage 15 years ago, and now it seems so...obvious? It did then too, of course.

Weed - absolutely. It's funny to think that even a few years ago, it was still KINDA illegal. Now it's just another thing. Weed shops don't feel the least bit seedy anymore. I think it's great, overall. Wish there were more consumption lounges, though hasn't stopped a lot of people from imbibing before going in somewhere. Hell, I thought I had to wait for a security guard at the Forum on the smoking patio to go away before lighting a joint - he just said as long as it's outside they don't care.

Technology definitely made this happen...but it doesn't feel like movies, specifically (though you could make this argument for TV as well), don't have the cultural power they once did. They just don't stay around or impact culture at all anymore. Sure, once in a while you have some massive hit (Black Panther, etc) that has remnants of that...but it felt like you'd have movies like Superbad, Napoleon Dynamite, Old School, etc spawning all sorts of merch you couldn't escape, or even people quoting movie lines, etc. and that just doesn't happen anymore.

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then switched up in 2012.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Like...the non-conservative option for president at that time didn't support gay marriage.

That's a fucking leap. Even if it took longer than it should have.

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same with Hilary

some people evolved sure but he was always fine with it and waited till it was politically safe to admit it

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Why is it a lie?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but also i beleive there's videoo of him supporting it way before 08. someone posted it here once

also whenever he would get asked about it he would say the words "I beleive marriage is between a man and a woman" then basically go on about why gay couples should have every right as married couples. It's not a hill he was willing to die on, because he knew the public wasnt there yet. It was politically cautious and prob wise at the time, but it was still bullshit


>Why is it a lie?

>but also i beleive there's videoo of him supporting it way
>before 08. someone posted it here once
>
>also whenever he would get asked about it he would say the
>words "I beleive marriage is between a man and a woman" then
>basically go on about why gay couples should have every right
>as married couples. It's not a hill he was willing to die on,
>because he knew the public wasnt there yet. It was politically
>cautious and prob wise at the time, but it was still bullshit

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... of gay marriage in 2003.

I was arguing with my father and grandfather in support of gay marriage in 2003 when I was 18/19 years old.

I know you're speaking generally but I'd like to think that anyone with half a brain and a soul would've always been in support of gay marriage.

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(Sudekis/Fey) when asked about gay marriage went something like

Biden - Look, gay couples should have every right as straight couples. There should be no distinction, let me repeat that, no distinction.

Moderator- so you support gay marriage

Biden - He'll no!

I watched the actual debate and don't remember it but I assume it was pretty similar minus the he'll no lol

I do think some people legitimately evolved , just not Obama and them

>I do think some people legitimately evolved , just not Obama and them

I do too. But Buddy said "we all" not "some people," hence my response.

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DC: He made Thriller.. no way he raped them kids

Lawyer: so you would let your kid spend the night with MJ?

DC: Fuck No!

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

You can have the pat on your back if you want it but the reason gay marriage is being discussed here is how far and how fast opinions changed on homosexuality in general.

If you are someone whose never made gay jokes, use the "F" word, or never had any negative opinion of homosexuality passed down to you, that's great but at the very least acknowledge that's rare for people of a certain age raised in the US.



>... of gay marriage in 2003.
>
>I was arguing with my father and grandfather in support of gay
>marriage in 2003 when I was 18/19 years old.
>
>I know you're speaking generally but I'd like to think that
>anyone with half a brain and a soul would've always been in
>support of gay marriage.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Nothing I can really argue with here. I concede. I can only say that your original point was about gay marriage specifically, but that's grasping at straws so again, I concede.

I wasn't looking for a pat on the back for the record just using my own experience to counter what you originally said about "all of us." But I definitely made gay jokes and used the F word in the past, so you right.

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Then racist gay whites went nuts on youtube and sloppy joe negroes backed them up.

The first is pretty obvious if you engage with sports at all. ESPN has a gambling hub that's not just "expertise" but actual gambling. And I hear all kinds of gambling talk in places and/or from people I'd never associate with gambling.

As an addict in other forms, I'm very curious what it all looks and sounds like ten years on. Substance addictions are rooted in a pretty explicit loss/gain transaction, which obviously doesn't benefit millions and millions of people at all but at the point of sale there's no mystery to it.

Gambling isn't just a sedative or a high, it's a fantasy choose your own adventure that never runs out of chapters, and whether it's you or your co-worker or whoever that gets the good ending just enough to outweigh the bad, the more ubiquitous it is the more...what, cowardly or even just boring it can feel to tap out.

I'm pretty grateful I spent my gambling days convinced I could nail a couple NBA money line parlays a week, only to watch them almost never pan out and get over it fairly quickly.

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As for the language thing, it dips into other aspects of culture as well. One of the more remarkable lines from the Jennifer Lawrence comedy "No Hard Feelings" is when she's looking for a friend at a high school party and screams "doesn't anybody fuck anymore?!" But I don't want to go on about this one for too long because I'm honestly lost at sea here. (Edit: Since I wound up making the mistake of going on and on anyway, that bit stood out to me because of reactions to things like the Oppenheimer sex scene, which was definitely awkward but by all accounts intentionally. But I also re-watched Booty Call recently, and it's definitely remarkable how sexless most sex comedies are, let alone everything else.)

If this demands a list of credentials, they are: all the ones (most?) OKPs want. But I increasingly can't stand the culture war from either direction. I get that everybody wants to be seen and respected for who they are, while more importantly recognize I'm exactly the stereotype of the guy that'd stand on a soapbox and ask for a little grace when I accidentally use a term some community I'm not a part of decided was linguistic agent orange.

I meant to say initially that I don't see the benefit of discussing this as much because more than anything as insufferable as EYE sometimes find it, this shift is clearly benefiting far, far more people than not. Even in so-called "safe spaces" full of other '90s white guys from the Midwest, it's significant how much "well-meaning"/"innocent" remarks get frozen out or straight up rebuked these days. So again, I'm hoping not to frame this as a grievance, 'cause I'm not the one to begin with.

I've just found myself over the holiday season listening to the old Patrice O'Neal "Black Phillip" broadcasts, as well as random Bodega Boys and Cumtown clips...which the latter two are pretty contemporaneous but GODDAMN were they impossible to recommend to most people in their early years...and feeling a little bad for laughing so hard. I dunno.

I really just wanted to point at the second one and say "culturally, this is significantly different." But I blabbered on as usual, and I guess I'll take the dismantling if it's due. So long as we agree identity and gender language has shifted MIGHTILY, I've got no line in the sand. Those shows, for better or worse, have just had me reflecting on it all, specifically how intensely I'm enjoying privately what I'd just as eagerly call out publicly.




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when I was growing up, no one cared except other muslims (or leftist, academic types).

Socialism was also demonized. As in, if you were a politician, it was like you weren't even allowed to say the word--unless it was to shit on it. Now we have people talking about Universal Basic Income and just being more pro-labor in general.

SOmeone else said it online but the Baby Boomers and their parents the Holocaust was part of their living memory so they give/gave lots of leeway to how Israelis run that part of the world. It has Biden saying dumb shit like "No Jewish Person is safe in the world if Israel is threatened" or something like that recently.

But the Holocaust is really a distant history lesson for Gen Z and what they see is colonialism and an occupied apartheid state (not without good reason).

I think Israel is going to mess around and win the battle and lose the war by removing all the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank and will get to claim all that land but be surrounded by enemies who will blame them for a genocide. Not a good place to be over a long period (talking in terms of centuries) of time.



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

They are susceptible to believing everything they see online as the boomers they make fun of. Its clear they weren’t raised to be skeptical and use the Internet as merely a tool the way millenials were.

It feels at times like both generations brains have been scrambled by social media

but to be fair everyone is susceptible to misinformation/disinformation. Even when you are aware.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

seeing folks either ignore or shrug to millions dead, hundreds of millions permanently disabled by an ONGOING pandemic....

...now we see a lot of that same apathy for an ONGOING genocide and war crimes...one that US is directly responsible for.

same way 2020 protests against policing resulted in Biden calling to 'fund fund fund police' and liberals pretend he's an upgrade to Trump....now we have records for highest police budgets ever and a record number of civilians killed by kops.

but as long as some level of status quo can be maintained, and global supply chains are operational and those amazon purchases come thru, most people will just keep it moving and ignore the downfall of empathy in this late-stage capitalist hellscape.

normalizing mass death, more policing, and eugenics.
perfect breeding ground for fascism.

setting a dangerous precedent for what comes next.

>and a record number of civilians killed by kops.

Like .. last year, we set a record ? Or are you referencing like the past few years/decades more generally ?

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and the fact its not more alarming, says a lot about where we are and where we're headed.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/08/2023-us-police-violence-increase-record-deadliest-year-decade

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/cops-killed-more-people-in-2023-than-in-years/

instead of any defunding or reform....we got record budget for police and the pentagon for more wars! no accountability.

here in NYC, libraries, schools and public services are all being slashed...NYPD's 12+ billion a year goes untouched.

I don't want to see Trump as president....but I am terrified of what another 4 years of Neo-liberal Biden and mass apathy will bring.

Trump broke so many people's brains, that we just got a lot of repackaged policies under Biden, and somehow it became more palatable....Biden has been far worse with international conflicts.

>and the fact its not more alarming, says a lot about where we
>are and where we're headed.
>
>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/08/2023-us-police-violence-increase-record-deadliest-year-decade
>
>https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/cops-killed-more-people-in-2023-than-in-years/

It'd (hopefully) be alarming if anyone would report on it. But instead we got a year and half of news about "retail theft" and whateverthefuck. So disheartening.


>instead of any defunding or reform....we got record budget for
>police and the pentagon for more wars! no accountability.
>
>here in NYC, libraries, schools and public services are all
>being slashed...NYPD's 12+ billion a year goes untouched.
>
>I don't want to see Trump as president....but I am terrified
>of what another 4 years of Neo-liberal Biden and mass apathy
>will bring.
>
>Trump broke so many people's brains, that we just got a lot
>of repackaged policies under Biden, and somehow it became
>more palatable....Biden has been far worse with international
>conflicts.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/08/business/organized-shoplifting-retail-crime-theft-retraction.html

the big headlines get all the attention, the retractions or follow-ups tend to get buried or ignored....so the initial narrative that there was a major spike in crime and theft is engrained in people's minds. it gives justification to more police.

Same way we've been told that Covid is like the 'flu' and to wash your hands..... when in reality, it's more like HIV, and folks should be wearing masks.

There is little to no conversation about how Biden's immigration policies are even more cruel than Trump...or that he offered more off-shore drilling permits than Trump.

dismantling the mainstream narrative is bad for business...professional managerial class will do anything to maintain status quo.

the personal apathy and levels of hyper-individualism is a biproduct of capitalism...it takes the energy and resources from communal care and collective action.

even the conversation and mood on these boards has me depressed. Very little talk or mention of the GENOCIDE going on. I posted a music video from Palestine and mentioned the levels of empathy on this site....a mod told me to stop posting 'bullshit', deleted the post and suspended me for several days.

we are fucked...but it doesn't have to be this way.

>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/08/business/organized-shoplifting-retail-crime-theft-retraction.html
>
>the big headlines get all the attention, the retractions or
>follow-ups tend to get buried or ignored....so the initial
>narrative that there was a major spike in crime and theft is
>engrained in people's minds. it gives justification to more
>police.

... use these tactics to set the narratives. Media more than happy to play along.

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I think you would be hard press to find people who can remember or tell you anything about the year or number of casualties from many of the global conflicts from the 90s like Eritrean–Ethiopian War, Sierra Leone Civil War, Bosnian War, wars in the Congo, Burundian Civil War,Algerian Civil War or any of the other many global going on then.

Shoot you would be even more hardpress to find people who were aware of the global conflicts going on right now that aren't Israel-Palestine and Ukraine-Russia.





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