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"Poll question: Are you deleting your Twitter account if Elon is the owner?"


          

Wondering if they'll be an Exodus, and when.

Poll result (32 votes)
Yes (8 votes)Vote
Yes - my main account but not my side account (0 votes)Vote
Maybe - I'm going to wait and see what happens (4 votes)Vote
No (20 votes)Vote
FUCK NO - Elon's "free speech" ideas are my ideas too (0 votes)Vote

  

  

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Nope
Oct 26th 2022
1
Been looking for an excuse anyway.
Oct 26th 2022
2
plus it is where I fined new music these days
Oct 26th 2022
11
Yes. And I recommend the same
Oct 26th 2022
3
i'm glad someone said this
Oct 26th 2022
23
      No clue. But he doesn’t need a security token on anyones phone
Oct 26th 2022
25
deleted mine 2 years ago
Oct 26th 2022
4
Yea I'll likely do what I did with Facebook in 2020 and delete it from m...
Oct 26th 2022
5
Delete the profile
Oct 26th 2022
7
      You just described almost every tech executive.
Oct 26th 2022
8
           No. I described the richest man on the planet
Oct 26th 2022
9
                Like how many grounded power supplies should be daisy chained on a $15
Oct 26th 2022
10
                lol I can't wait to retire from tech so I can talk my shit n/m
Oct 26th 2022
12
                     Yeah. What I’m saying is the scale of his risk is astronomical
Oct 26th 2022
14
                If you have five sinks how many soap dispensers should you have?
Oct 26th 2022
13
                What happens when you remove water refil from a work floor of 700 plus
Oct 27th 2022
35
                     all of these dumbass questions were banned years ago. n/m
Oct 27th 2022
39
Sorry for telling you this but
Oct 27th 2022
31
I stopped actively tweeting in like 2014
Oct 26th 2022
6
^ this the one
Nov 01st 2022
89
Do we have any idea the terrible beliefs of the current ownership?
Oct 26th 2022
15
It’s his actions less than his shitty beliefs
Oct 26th 2022
18
Give Trump a Chance - Dave Chappelle (c)
Oct 26th 2022
20
elon wont be constrained by any board.
Oct 26th 2022
19
And thats JUST on the surface
Oct 26th 2022
22
Gizmodo: Former Twitter Employee Convicted as Saudi Spy
Oct 26th 2022
21
lol nah... twitter's already a cespool
Oct 26th 2022
16
BTW, you asking people to stuck in their ways to walk away from this pla...
Oct 26th 2022
17
Good point.
Oct 26th 2022
26
it's not.
Oct 27th 2022
37
this place doesnt have access to billions of data points tho.
Oct 27th 2022
36
Don’t have one. Another hinderance to me knowing WTF
Oct 26th 2022
24
I hope he brings Trump, Kanye, Farrakhan and Andrew Tate back.
Oct 26th 2022
27
nearly every board of every publicly traded company is comprised of
Oct 27th 2022
28
When was the last time Pepsi exposed you the consumer to bad shit
Oct 27th 2022
29
haha you mean like THEIR PRODUCT THAT KILLS?
Oct 27th 2022
34
Pepsi is waaay more harmful to people than anything Elon Musk
Oct 27th 2022
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      not sure about that.. soda in excess is harmful
Oct 28th 2022
43
      This may me being an old man, but I don't get the twitter harassment thi...
Oct 28th 2022
49
           It feels as if you haven't seen the harm of unmoderated twitter
Oct 28th 2022
50
           yeah, we old.. its much easier for us to walk away
Oct 28th 2022
63
      Do you think all "harm" is the same?
Oct 28th 2022
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its a tightrope because he “builds” cars
Oct 27th 2022
30
      How you sat behind the wheel of a Full Self Driving Tesla?
Oct 27th 2022
33
that app never really caught on with me the way others did anyway
Oct 27th 2022
32
elon's a dick
Oct 27th 2022
40
that'll show em
Oct 28th 2022
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      lol
Oct 28th 2022
45
      yep.
Oct 28th 2022
52
wonder how it feels to get escorted out of the building
Oct 28th 2022
41
the inflated self-importance of some of you cracks me up
Oct 28th 2022
44
cigarettes kill… so leave twitter alone?
Oct 28th 2022
46
lol
Oct 28th 2022
47
I think the harmful potential of Twitter is grossly overstated
Oct 28th 2022
48
      It's like libel and slander laws - make them too lenient and people dest...
Oct 28th 2022
51
      Yeah I don't see how you could look at the last several years
Oct 28th 2022
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      are you not aware of the effect twitter has over news, politics, etc?
Oct 28th 2022
56
      The ignorance is mindblowing.
Oct 28th 2022
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           some people just arent aware.
Oct 28th 2022
60
                Right. I mean this is case and point.
Oct 28th 2022
61
                     yup.
Oct 28th 2022
62
      Name these more harmful things that no one is fighting against?
Oct 28th 2022
59
      I hear you, but WE aren't doing those things.
Oct 28th 2022
67
      Why are you still talking about Twitter?
Oct 28th 2022
66
Why aren't you posting about cigarettes, fast food, and guns?
Oct 28th 2022
64
Drumpf Just Tweeted that he's back
Oct 28th 2022
54
Where'd you see that?
Oct 28th 2022
55
are you talking about this fake press release?
Oct 28th 2022
57
people just paste everything he says elsewhere on twitter anyway
Oct 28th 2022
68
Elon Musk Won’t Reinstate Trump until...
Oct 28th 2022
69
      putting him on now could hurt repubs in the midterms
Oct 31st 2022
87
Very good Verge article on Elons dilemma (link)
Oct 28th 2022
70
The Intercept also has a good one
Oct 29th 2022
71
Saudis the second largest owner.
Oct 29th 2022
72
Musk sharing Paul Pelosi attack conspiracy theory garbage
Oct 30th 2022
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Misinformation about Pelosi and/or his attacker being in underwear
Oct 30th 2022
74
Jesus......
Oct 30th 2022
75
first day these people complained of lack of sufficient proof
Oct 30th 2022
76
Deleted
Oct 31st 2022
77
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/41/f4/5c41f4d2175ab34d7ec92f61b32cd61b...
Oct 31st 2022
78
Thanks bro, appreciate it
Oct 31st 2022
82
      if you act the same on twitter, you clearly did healthy thing
Oct 31st 2022
85
           As always, your kind support is appreciated
Oct 31st 2022
86
Like deleting an app for your benefit is a bad thing
Oct 31st 2022
83
Nobody:
Nov 02nd 2022
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      ^^I love that film too!
Nov 02nd 2022
91
I don't know if this article is spot on or lunacy, but it's worth a read...
Oct 31st 2022
79
this line is the whole thing.
Oct 31st 2022
84
It's lunacy
Oct 31st 2022
88
Yeah no this doesn't make any sense.
Nov 07th 2022
115
Nah, but this would be the best time for someone to launch a competing
Oct 31st 2022
80
been too lazy to reset my forgotten password and delete til now...
Oct 31st 2022
81
Major changes to verification coming day before election day
Nov 03rd 2022
92
Taps the sign
Nov 03rd 2022
93
Verification changes from identity verification to verification of payme...
Nov 03rd 2022
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      This is so stupid I can’t even believe it until I see it.
Nov 03rd 2022
95
I feel like I am starting to see the 4Chan-ification of my TL already.
Nov 04th 2022
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Risk assessment has stopped
Nov 04th 2022
97
To repeat what I said upthread
Nov 04th 2022
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      Yup - I’m pretty much done
Nov 04th 2022
102
has anyone's feed changed at all?
Nov 04th 2022
99
oh, I have a slight feeling you'll not have to wait long....
Nov 04th 2022
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It could be your feed changed from Latest Tweets to Top Tweets
Nov 04th 2022
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possibly. I kinda go back and forth between new/top
Nov 04th 2022
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      I mean, I wouldn't put it passed them
Nov 04th 2022
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           you were right. Home/Top seems to be the culprit
Nov 05th 2022
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the people you follow must follow/interact w/ that stuff then
Nov 04th 2022
105
you probably retweeted someone quote tweeting one of them
Nov 05th 2022
107
Elon Musk threats to 'thermonuclear name and shame'
Nov 06th 2022
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hey, Twitter's gotta make so all the people here who like it can stay
Nov 06th 2022
109
Comedi si now legal
Nov 07th 2022
110
Elon Musk: Vote for Republicans
Nov 07th 2022
111
Also: Elon posts Nazi imagery
Nov 07th 2022
112
he didn't bring Trump back yet because it could hurt repubs
Nov 07th 2022
114
haven't used in years. Actively deactivated that bitch today
Nov 07th 2022
113
what if J*n*s bought okp?
Nov 08th 2022
116
Who?
Nov 08th 2022
118
      Mike J*n*s.
Nov 08th 2022
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           lol.
Nov 08th 2022
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           nice!
Nov 09th 2022
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           lol
Nov 10th 2022
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           RE: Mike J*n*s.
Nov 17th 2022
153
all of Twitter behind a paywall
Nov 08th 2022
117
10000000% the best idea
Nov 08th 2022
119
Elon failing miserably and ruining twitter at the same time, sounds
Nov 08th 2022
121
Can tek and poetx scrape the site and mirror it today?
Nov 08th 2022
120
RE: Can tek and poetx scrape the site and mirror it today?
Nov 22nd 2022
166
Nope, Twitter is fun and good
Nov 08th 2022
122
the weird thing about twitter is that it's amazing
Nov 08th 2022
125
“Elon is willing to take on a huge amount of risk in relation to his c...
Nov 10th 2022
127
so why is dude blowing this up? Just because he can?
Nov 10th 2022
128
      As I said upthread. Dude doesnt care about humans
Nov 10th 2022
129
      I doubt the previous owners REALLY cared about humans either
Nov 11th 2022
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           but they probably cared a lot more than Elon.. lol
Nov 11th 2022
137
           I dont think yall get it. His overall belief system is that future human...
Nov 11th 2022
138
                But Apple charges for charging bricks....
Nov 11th 2022
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                     Honestly even in my family texts they dont get it
Nov 11th 2022
140
      Hubris. Absolute belief in his own genius. Greed.
Nov 10th 2022
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      I genuinely believe he's a russian asset
Nov 11th 2022
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Well, it only took 13 to functionally run the site into the ground
Nov 10th 2022
132
Digg took much longer than a week.
Nov 10th 2022
133
I can't think of another CEO so misled by their own desire to uphold
Nov 11th 2022
135
Everyone's mental health is pretty much trash
Nov 11th 2022
142
      Sam Bankman-Fried too
Nov 11th 2022
144
I just tweeted about this lol
Nov 11th 2022
141
      Is this the first major example of the “disrupters” disrupting “di...
Nov 11th 2022
143
Paid verification system paused
Nov 11th 2022
145
I am SURE that EVERY business analysts and product owner @Titter told hi...
Nov 12th 2022
146
Hey why are folks talking like the lights are about to go out on twitter
Nov 12th 2022
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ads were their lifeline and they pissed off every major brand
Nov 12th 2022
148
Here’s how a Twitter engineer says it will break in the coming weeks (...
Nov 12th 2022
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*popcorn gif*
Nov 12th 2022
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the stuff in this article
Nov 20th 2022
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because he looks like he is forcing out the best people
Nov 20th 2022
159
> Someone who knows how to run it will buy it I would think.
Nov 20th 2022
160
Is Musk the dumbest "world's richest man!" ever?
Nov 17th 2022
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Easily.
Nov 19th 2022
157
no
Nov 17th 2022
152
Absolutely not. I just got to that motherfucker for real
Nov 17th 2022
154
Yeah its over
Nov 17th 2022
155
burn baby burn
Nov 17th 2022
156
To be fair to him, he passed his first today.
Nov 20th 2022
161
I would hope the industry isnt so dumb to say a customer facing experien...
Nov 20th 2022
162
Humans are hilarious with their toys!
Nov 21st 2022
163
Interest insight on why advertisers are and will be leaving the platform...
Nov 21st 2022
164
Heard about the 2AF problem
Nov 22nd 2022
167
      we dug as deep as we could on the 2fa thing
Nov 23rd 2022
168
Yup, deleted a few days ago
Nov 21st 2022
165
"General" Amnesty
Nov 25th 2022
169
Fastest way to bankruptcy?
Nov 25th 2022
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      I think we're looking at it too logically
Nov 25th 2022
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           I think most of the MICROSERVICES ARE DEAD is bs
Nov 25th 2022
172
                How did you actually type this on purpose
Nov 25th 2022
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                     If by "single-handedly" you mean using government money then sure
Nov 26th 2022
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                     I can tell you with 100% confidence that manufacturing has not been
Nov 26th 2022
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                     he bought tesla
Nov 26th 2022
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                     Tesla might sell a million cars this year. Toyota will sell 10.5 million...
Nov 26th 2022
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                     Less than that Toyota manufacturing is the lead example of ALL manufactu...
Nov 26th 2022
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                     because I've spent a significant part of the last decade
Nov 28th 2022
181
                     disrupted auto manufacturing and running a company are two different
Nov 28th 2022
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                     btw, if you want to call out Musk as disruptive for what he's done at Te...
Nov 28th 2022
184
                     How are you this loud, this wrong, this many times?
Nov 29th 2022
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Even though this won't be, this is the last thing that should be said:
Nov 26th 2022
179
this thread is comedy
Nov 27th 2022
180
Elon says Apple can support Free Speech by buying ads
Nov 28th 2022
183
this dude's such a corny ghoul
Nov 28th 2022
185
Covid misinformation policy
Nov 29th 2022
186
Fire hydrant of bullshit
Nov 29th 2022
187
But what is the goal of picking a fight with Apple?
Nov 29th 2022
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Pre-emptively so when the app is removed he can point to it
Nov 29th 2022
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Goading them into a legal fight to get insight on their processes and mo...
Nov 29th 2022
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as a person who has spent too much time thinking about elon musk
Nov 29th 2022
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      if Twitter, the company that never did anything right ever
Nov 29th 2022
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Deleted mine
Nov 29th 2022
191
twitter is missing advertising revenue targets by *80*%.
Dec 02nd 2022
195
All in for trump
Dec 02nd 2022
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It seems like it’s getting bad
Dec 02nd 2022
197

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "Nope"
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2. "Been looking for an excuse anyway."
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Question will be, how do I replace the *good* things about Twitter (i.e. the studies, essays, and articles I probably wouldn't have discovered if not for select journalists on my feed) ? I'll have to figure that out.

But yea I can't very well keep using it with that piece of horse shit at the helm, especially considering he's gonna start his "reign" by laying off the entire fucking company. Fuck him.

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Stadiq
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11. "plus it is where I fined new music these days"
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Not sure there is a replacement for that...damn.

  

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MEAT
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3. "Yes. And I recommend the same"
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Wed Oct-26-22 10:17 AM by MEAT

  

          

After being extremely too close to the innerworkings for the last year, the degree to which he doesn’t care about humans is somehow understated.

Additionally the degree that he and the people that work for him will cut corners to achieve his goals makes everything haphazard.

It’s twitter, what’s the big harm you may think

You wouldn’t download any random app on your phone because of a myriad of reasons. That’s what twitter is about to become. I promise you. You may have a good or bad front facing experience. On the backend you’re taking on significant risk.

For me he’s top five people that should be far away from levers of power.

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23. "i'm glad someone said this"
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i'm hearing this from alot of grassroot movement folks, as well.

at the same time, will he still have access to our info even if we delete the account? that's what i'm not clear on

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"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
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25. "No clue. But he doesn’t need a security token on anyones phone"
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4. "deleted mine 2 years ago"
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only time I visit is if someone drops a link..

and then I can nly scroll for a few before it kicks me off and tries to force me to sign up.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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5. "Yea I'll likely do what I did with Facebook in 2020 and delete it from m..."
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But I'll keep my account. I might visit Facebook once a month now, maybe twice if I'm super bored. Prior to that I was on there everyday cuz I could just click on my phone and scroll.

So even tho I find Twitter way more useful, I think not having it on my phone will significantly reduce my time spent scrolling the website. I'm rarely in front of a computer when not working.

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7. "Delete the profile "
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Mans entire ethos is that government rules are stupid
Break them until a regulator steps in
Skirt them until fines happen
Negotiate and litigate that

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Nopayne
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8. "You just described almost every tech executive."
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I'm not defending Elon, but he isn't special in that regard.

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MEAT
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9. "No. I described the richest man on the planet"
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Wed Oct-26-22 11:26 AM by MEAT

  

          

Who has sent tens of thousands of vehicles on the road to beta test concepts on the public
In the form of multiple ton vehicles with instant torque
And has this far skirted liability or accountability for doing so
What concepts do you think he’ll beta test on the public with that as a platform

On top of that tech execs have for the most part provided for their workers
A whole bunch of cool office perks to make it seem like a hip place to work at
I understand that these are surface level things
But what job have you ever worked at that doesn’t provide parking for every employee, adequate restrooms, hand soap, or work stations

I can assure you, that this is going to go bad, quickly.
It takes a whole different type of corner cutting to get that rich that fast
If other tech execs could, they would’ve.

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10. "Like how many grounded power supplies should be daisy chained on a $15"
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Wed Oct-26-22 11:40 AM by MEAT

  

          

Tripp Lite surge protector?
1, 2, 6 plus?
What it instead of running adequate power to supply over 700 desks you decided to cut corners and set a mass series of daisy chained power bricks exceeding 1000
Is that something that should be done in an office with inadequate fire exit routes, stairs, and sitting below a battery manufacturing shop?

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12. "lol I can't wait to retire from tech so I can talk my shit n/m"
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MEAT
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14. "Yeah. What I’m saying is the scale of his risk is astronomical "
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Mainly because most tech is limited to the digital world where as his is in the physical realm at scale.

His ethos is the last ethos needed behind having access to the device in this many peoples pockets.

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MEAT
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13. "If you have five sinks how many soap dispensers should you have?"
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5, 4, 3?

Or maybe remove the soap dispensers and put two- three bottles of hand soap on the counter?

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MEAT
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35. "What happens when you remove water refil from a work floor of 700 plus"
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And leave 3 water stations between that many people at a slower rate of fill than even your home bathroom sink

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39. "all of these dumbass questions were banned years ago. n/m"
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31. "Sorry for telling you this but "
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You can use “nitter.it” to avoid logging in.

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6. "I stopped actively tweeting in like 2014"
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The only time I even look at twitter is when someone posts a link to a tweet somewhere.

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89. "^ this the one"
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IG: amadu_me

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15. "Do we have any idea the terrible beliefs of the current ownership?"
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If Elon makes changes that make the place suck more, sure.

But I really don't believe Elon is worst than....Mortimor J Buckley?

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18. "It’s his actions less than his shitty beliefs"
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His actions will be horrific. I assure you.

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20. "Give Trump a Chance - Dave Chappelle (c) "
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>His actions will be horrific. I assure you.
Right???

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19. "elon wont be constrained by any board."
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itll be a private company that he can do anything he wants to with.

if you want to get an idea about what hes planning to do...do a search for the trove of his emails with friends and an investors.

where they clearly talk about re-instating trump, re-platforming banned alt right trolls, and tilting the playing field against political enemies.

and just look at the right wing personalities he communicates with on twitter every day.

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22. "And thats JUST on the surface"
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All he needs is a single day or week of unique ID data collection and shit is a wrap.
It’s about to be so so bad.
Where Facebook is and continues to be evil they were hedged by starting as a browser and expanding to an app
They’ve managed to break or chip some firewalls of protection by the login portion or website plug ins
But there is a huge security and safety issue with apps in general
Let alone one helmed by him and his friends.

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21. "Gizmodo: Former Twitter Employee Convicted as Saudi Spy"
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As an answer to your question: pretty terrible!

https://gizmodo.com/twitter-saudi-spy-elon-musk-1849394710

Former Twitter Employee Convicted as Saudi Spy
Feds alleged U.S. citizen Ahmad Abouammo used his public relations position at Twitter to funnel information to MBS about Saudi dissidents.

ByKyle Barr


What does it cost to sell out and hand over the private information of the critics for a despotic regime? Apparently $300,000 and a nice watch. A former Twitter employee was convicted on six of his original 11 counts of operating as an agent for Saudi Arabia. The verdict came down late Tuesday, and all that’s left is sentencing, which could be up to 20 years in federal prison.

Federal prosecutors said that former Twitter employee Ahmad Abouammo, a U.S. resident born in Egypt who held dual U.S.-Lebanese citizenship, worked as a media partnership manager, helping promote the company while working with journalists and celebrities in the Middle East and north Africa. Feds further claimed that while in that job he had been working as a spy on behalf of the Saudi Arabian government from late 2014 to March 2015.

He was convicted of being an agent for a foreign power, as well as money laundering and conspiracy to commit wire fraud for trying to wire money to Saudi accounts, but the original charges go much deeper than that. According to the original complaint, prosecutors also said that Abouammo had been working on behalf of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman to worm his way through Twitter’s internal systems to share personal information on Saudi critics and dissidents.

Bloomberg reported that prosecutors showed that Abouammo received $300,000 in wire transfers in bribes from MBS’ aide in exchange for Twitter account info. Feds also alleged Abouammo received an expensive Hublot watch for his troubles. The trial lasted two and a half weeks before he was finally convicted. Bloomberg also reported that the court restricted prosecutors from telling the jury that the U.S. believed the crown prince used this Twitter info to detain and torture supposed critics.

Abouammo was represented by San Francisco public defender Angela Chuang, according to reports. She did not immediately respond to Gizmodo’s request for comment. Chuang reportedly told the jury Twitter botched their own investigation and was careless in handling Twitter users’ data. A fellow person charged in the original complaint, Ali Alzabarah, fled to Saudi Arabia, and Chuang apparently criticized the company and the U.S. for letting him go even as he was under surveillance.

Twitter declined to comment on the verdict, but the company did say they have been cooperating with law enforcement throughout the trial, and they previously conducted their own investigation and notified users if they were impacted.

Despite it being years since Twitter fired the alleged spy, the social media company has not been able to escape accusations of aiding Saudi Arabia. In a separate civil case, Ali al-Ahmed, a self-described critic of Saudi Arabia who had been granted asylum in the U.S., sued the social media company in late 2021. He said his account was one of those Abouammo hacked, and alleged the company had effectively collaborated and otherwise turned a blind eye to the Saudi government’s attacks on dissenters. Attorneys later agreed to dismiss the case in July.

Though the charges against Abouammo weren’t filed until 2019, investigations in the wake of the brutal murder of Saudi critic and Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi brought the young Saudi royal’s online spying campaigns to the public eye. A 2018 New York Times investigation following Khashoggi’s murder showed how the crown prince helped sick legions of Twitter accounts to harass the journalist. That report also showed how effective the royal has been at using Twitter to prop up his regime. Bin Salman has also been well known for being buddy-buddy with many of the world’s biggest tech companies and their CEOs.

Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns $300 million worth of stock in Twitter. While the fellow prince was originally skeptical of Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s planned and botched takeover of the company, bin Talal later pledged $1.9 billion to help with the purchase.

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16. "lol nah... twitter's already a cespool"
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that brings out the worst in people who believe they can be as trash as they want because they feel they're on the right side of an issue.
I've fallen into that too on there occasionally.

For whatever reason I've found enough value in it to stay. I've tried to curate my feed more towards my interests than culture war shit, and found myself muting alot people I agree with on most things just because they were acting too shitty.

So yeah, now it will just be a cespool that's more welcoming to Don Jr, and Ricky Shroder but I really don't spend enough time on it to care. it's easily my least favorite of social platforms.

Burn it down, Elon

  

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17. "BTW, you asking people to stuck in their ways to walk away from this pla..."
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skewed audience.


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26. "Good point."
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37. "it's not."
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"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
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36. "this place doesnt have access to billions of data points tho."
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your point is making no sense.

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24. "Don’t have one. Another hinderance to me knowing WTF"
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is going on around me.

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27. "I hope he brings Trump, Kanye, Farrakhan and Andrew Tate back."
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Keep Sneako banned though, he annoys me.



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28. "nearly every board of every publicly traded company is comprised of "
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many terrible people

if you think Elon is any better or worse than the people who currently run Twitter, or Pepsi, or GE or whatever , you’re a fool

I’m not on Twitter. Twitter is gross. People should be wanting to get off in general, not just because of Elon Musk.

  

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29. "When was the last time Pepsi exposed you the consumer to bad shit"
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Worse than their actual product
Yall are conflating being a bad person with being a legitimately harmful person.

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34. "haha you mean like THEIR PRODUCT THAT KILLS? "
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I don’t drink soda or use Twitter so I’m fine

  

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38. "Pepsi is waaay more harmful to people than anything Elon Musk"
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has said or done.


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43. "not sure about that.. soda in excess is harmful"
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but so is Twitter

especially the way its used to harass people. Shit aint healthy at all.

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49. "This may me being an old man, but I don't get the twitter harassment thi..."
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Like I aggressively block and mute things and people I don't like and I can avoid most of the twitter hellscape people complain about.

Moreover, the second twitter is unenjoyable to me I would log off. Like If I did some shit and was the target of twitter hate I would just not go on twitter and not miss a beat. It's not that necessary.

Waay much harder to avoid diabetes for me.


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50. "It feels as if you haven't seen the harm of unmoderated twitter"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/02/lgbtq-threats-hospitals-libs-of-tiktok/

https://www.losangelesblade.com/2022/10/05/after-twitter-lifted-libs-of-tiktoks-suspension-she-went-back-at-it/

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/boston-bomb-threats-childrens-hospital-joshua-kimble/

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63. "yeah, we old.. its much easier for us to walk away"
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but the next generation? That shit is addictive and hard to live without.

Hell, look at athletes with millions of dollars who can’t stop themselves from tweeting at fans.

During the kweli debates someone said an old OKP was wildin and dude even warned us tread lightly because she goes hard. Well, one tweet and she ended up emailing what she thought was my employer (it wasn’t) and saying some wild shit.

People are fucking crazy dude.

tweeting bosses
tweeting out addresses

there is a level of crazy out there that is really out to ruin peoples lives.

I work in cyber so we see much worse shit than silly threats but the fact that someone would look at my info and try to ruin my life over Talib Kweli is wild as fuck to me.




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65. "Do you think all "harm" is the same? "
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I don't mean "equal", I mean "same".

I mean, do you think that the way soda harms people, and the way social media harm people, are 1:1 comparisons?

Because this may as well be comparing soda to Elon Musk, in terms of how different they are, and those two things are so far apart in terms of the what and how of the harm each causes, that a comparison would be a little ridiculous IMO.

  

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30. "its a tightrope because he “builds” cars"
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anytime a car company has issues that cause deaths it makes them look slimy as hell.

but for me, that auto pilot is fucking stupid. Idiots really want to sit in a car and not pit their hands on the wheel.

I also heard his working conditions are horrible but that aint nothing new

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33. "How you sat behind the wheel of a Full Self Driving Tesla?"
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It’s bad bad.
Like being in the passenger seat of a student driver bad.

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32. "that app never really caught on with me the way others did anyway"
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40. "elon's a dick"
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spent 10+ years curating my timeline for this asshole to ruin things.

i uninstalled the app from my phone.

i'll maintain my account until a critical mass of folks dip to somewhere new.

  

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42. "that'll show em"
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>spent 10+ years curating my timeline for this asshole to ruin
>things.
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"curating my timeline"

>i uninstalled the app from my phone.
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you show em

>i'll maintain my account until a critical mass of folks dip to
>somewhere new.

no one's going anywhere

  

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45. "lol"
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why you gotta be like that?

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52. "yep."
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if you think twitter sucks, it's because you've picked bad people to follow. your twitter experience is on you, ergo, curating your timeline.

i was alright w/ the twitter app being installed on my phone under old mgmt. not cool w/ that level of access under new mgmt. happy to browse it via mobile web vs an app w/ permissions.

if musk ruins folks ability to maintain their experience, folks will go. just like they left myspace. and facebook. and black planet. and digg.

i 100% expect musk to ruin shit just for a giggle, so, i expect a new platform to pop up sooner rather than later.

  

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41. "wonder how it feels to get escorted out of the building"
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simply because someone bought the company.

Talk about theatrics..

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44. "the inflated self-importance of some of you cracks me up"
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the idea that Twitter - some app on your phone you don't have to use - is going to do irreparable damage to society is a riot.

There's folks in here defending Pepsi just because they hate Elon Musk so much.

I'd love to see this energy over cigarettes, fast food, guns, etc. There's about 900x more people using those things in the US and across the world.

Go outside.

  

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46. "cigarettes kill… so leave twitter alone? "
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47. "lol"
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48. "I think the harmful potential of Twitter is grossly overstated"
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I wish people cared as much about this as other things that are way more popular and 10x more harmful

  

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51. "It's like libel and slander laws - make them too lenient and people dest..."
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Cause harassment (Alex Jones) if there's no legal consequences (Alex Jones being sued by Parkland families isn't the same as jailing him)

Similarly.


Making a platform too easy to spread any kind of inflammatory lie can cause Jan 6th uprisings.

Elon wants to loosen the guardrails = people spreading more lies for more Alex Jones getting murdered children's graves desecrated due to his lies or worse (Jan 6th)

  

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53. "Yeah I don't see how you could look at the last several years"
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and underestimate the influence/power of social media.


  

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Reeq
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56. "are you not aware of the effect twitter has over news, politics, etc?"
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like entire weeks of major news coverage are based on what is trending on twitter. its arguably the most aggregated/amplified source of information...especially compared to its relatively small size compared to other major social networks.

all you need is some tweaking of the algorithm, prioritization of different/partisan news sources, and change in content moderation policy and you could easily empower extremists, tilt the public discourse space to the right, silence/marginalize opponents/dissidents, etc (basically what already happened to facebook).

how can you look at the effect that social media in general has had on countries all around the globe and conclude that the person running it doesnt matter...especially when that person is publicly hostile to one side of the political aisle and openly courting the other?

if twitter isnt going to have that much of a material effect...then why are right wingers celebrating musk getting the keys to it?

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58. "The ignorance is mindblowing."
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60. "some people just arent aware."
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i got people in my own family who talk about shit like this and have zero knowledge of the actual facts/information lol.

as much as it suprises me...i gotta remind myself that most people have a passive information diet where they are only exposed to things that are brought to them.

and only a small sliver of people actively seek information related to the things they talk about.

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61. "Right. I mean this is case and point."
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https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1586048980554752007?s=21&t=gN0gxpGrmMnyHFHnijdlqg

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62. "yup. "
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59. "Name these more harmful things that no one is fighting against? "
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Cigarettes? People fought against that industry and smoking continues to decline. Also
a bunch of states that no longer allow it inside establishments.

Drinking? DARE has been around for years

Soda? Michelle Obama’s mission was healthy lunches

Damn near every harmful thing you suggest people could fight against before twitter already has people dedicating their lives to fight against them.

Social media has already shown how easy it is to spread misinformation and help tilt elections. I really don’t see how fighting against it is a big problem.

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67. "I hear you, but WE aren't doing those things. "
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I mean, we should be spending our time here on OKP fixing all that shit instead of, you know, talking about shit as a form of entertainment, like, you know, people.

  

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66. "Why are you still talking about Twitter?"
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Where is your dissertation post about the evils of soda, and why we should all be mobilizing against Big Tobacco?

You say you wish people cared more about those sorts of things, yet here you are, chastising people for talking about Twitter.

Why aren't you leading the way by being the change you think we all need to be as well?

It seems you're not nearly as passionate about the evils of smoking, guns, etc, as you think we need to be.

So maybe go and do the thing you're telling us we should do, then get back.

  

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64. "Why aren't you posting about cigarettes, fast food, and guns?"
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And why aren't you doing it on bigger, more visible platforms, where people can see your message?

Why are you instead talking down to people here, about how the thing they're talking about is less important than the super important issues you think they should be discussing?

It's just odd that you'd be wasting your doubtless precious time and energy resources here, when you clearly have bigger and better problems to tackle.

I'm assume you also have the ideas, resources, connections, etc to really make a difference in those realms, given the incredibly smug scolding you just handed down.

  

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54. "Drumpf Just Tweeted that he's back"
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That might be a wrap for me on there. It's my least engaging Social Media application, so it's not much for me to drop it.

IG: @illharmonic.orchestra
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55. "Where'd you see that?"
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His account is still suspended for the time being, though I expect—and fear—that will change.


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57. "are you talking about this fake press release?"
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https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1585818209344638976

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68. "people just paste everything he says elsewhere on twitter anyway"
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and talk about it

he might as well have been back already

  

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69. "Elon Musk Won’t Reinstate Trump until..."
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lets hope this at least is true

Elon Musk Won’t Reinstate Trump, or Any Other Banned Twitter Accounts, Until After Forming ‘Content Moderation Council’

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-content-moderation-council-twitter-1234620584/

  

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87. "putting him on now could hurt repubs in the midterms"
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he'll suck up all the attention and i doubt they want to spend their last week defending or worse, feeling a need to push back against some weird trump tweet.

he'll be back the end of next week, after these dicks take congress back

  

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70. "Very good Verge article on Elons dilemma (link)"
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https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation

“write as many polite letters to advertisers as you want, but you cannot reasonably expect to collect any meaningful advertising revenue if you do not promise those advertisers “brand safety.” That means you have to ban racism, sexism, transphobia, and all kinds of other speech that is totally legal in the United States but reveals people to be total assholes. So you can make all the promises about “free speech” you want, but the dull reality is that you still have to ban a bunch of legal speech if you want to make money. And when you start doing that, your creepy new right-wing fanboys are going to viciously turn on you, just like they turn on every other social network that realizes the same essential truth.“

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71. "The Intercept also has a good one"
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https://theintercept.com/2022/10/28/elon-musk-twitter/

That’s because as of this moment, it looks like Musk dug a big hole in the forest, carefully filled it with punji sticks and crocodiles, and then jumped in.

The statement starts off, promisingly, with a blatant lie: “The reason I acquired Twitter is because it is important for the future of civilization to have a common digital town square.” Musk apparently believes that no one will remember that until three weeks ago, he was desperately trying not to buy Twitter. The only reason he did is because he was about to lose Twitter’s lawsuit to force him to buy it. This may be the greatest “you can’t fire me because I quit” moment in history

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72. "Saudis the second largest owner. "
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Alwaleed_Talal/status/1585975226567110656

I’m sure that’ll be fine.

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73. "Musk sharing Paul Pelosi attack conspiracy theory garbage"
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/elon-musk-shares-lurid-conspiracy-theory-about-paul-pelosi-attack-in-response-to-hillary-clinton/ar-AA13xvCi

Sickening.

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74. "Misinformation about Pelosi and/or his attacker being in underwear"
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Debunked: https://heavy.com/news/paul-pelosi-underwear-david-depape/

But put paul+pelosi+underwear in google and it's EVERYWHERE.

Sickening.

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75. "Jesus......"
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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

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76. "first day these people complained of lack of sufficient proof"
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that this was a politically motivated attack, and that the msm/lib media were quick were too quick to accept this as gospel and push that narrative before they had all the facts.

the next day: i read somewhere that they were in their underwear, so this was 100% some weird sex shit like pizzagate

  

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77. "Deleted "
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I've been out of town, but app is deleted and account is deactivated.

P.S. I love hearing from the suckers posting here about how it's great, it's all on you, and "you ain't shit so delete, see if we care." So go ahead and post it.



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78. "https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/41/f4/5c41f4d2175ab34d7ec92f61b32cd61b..."
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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/41/f4/5c41f4d2175ab34d7ec92f61b32cd61b.gif



>I've been out of town, but app is deleted and account is
>deactivated.
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>P.S. I love hearing from the suckers posting here about how
>it's great, it's all on you, and "you ain't shit so delete,
>see if we care." So go ahead and post it.

  

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82. "Thanks bro, appreciate it"
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YOU GET IT!

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85. "if you act the same on twitter, you clearly did healthy thing"
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>YOU GET IT!

  

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86. "As always, your kind support is appreciated"
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83. "Like deleting an app for your benefit is a bad thing"
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90. "Nobody: "
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You: how can I make sure I get negative attention for this? I know, I’ll ask for it. Literally.

  

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91. "^^I love that film too!"
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Bob Odenkirk is great

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79. "I don't know if this article is spot on or lunacy, but it's worth a read..."
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https://davetroy.medium.com/no-elon-and-jack-are-not-competitors-theyre-collaborating-3e88cde5267d

No, Elon and Jack are not “competitors.” They’re collaborating.

Elon Musk’s deal to buy Twitter has been met with surprise, derision, and gnashing of teeth — and an overwhelming amount of well-intentioned but poorly-informed commentary and analysis.

As someone who has followed the company closely since its inception and has had a chance to talk in depth about technical topics with Jack Dorsey and the company’s other founders over the years, I have a different view.

Here’s a series of common questions regarding the deal and the relationship between Dorsey and Musk about which I see the most errors and misconceptions.

Q: Jack Dorsey is launching “Bluesky,” a new social network to compete with Twitter. I’ll just join that instead!

A: Sorry to disappoint, but Dorsey played a key role in Musk’s deal to take Twitter private. The two are good friends. And Bluesky is an initiative launched by Twitter. In April, Dorsey wrote, “In principle, I don’t believe anyone should own or run Twitter. It wants to be a public good at a protocol level, not a company. Solving for the problem of it being a company however, Elon is the singular solution I trust. I trust his mission to extend the light of consciousness.”


Q: Uh, if “no one should own or run Twitter,” why did Dorsey advocate selling it to Musk… I’m confused?

A: To get it out of the hands of Wall Street investors, and turn it into a “public good at a protocol level, not a company.” Dorsey and Musk believe it can do more good for humanity if it’s an open technology than if it’s a company owned by any one person or by Wall Street investors trying to maximize profits for shareholders.

Q: What do you mean, a “public good at a protocol level?” What even is that?

A: The foundation of the Internet is built on protocols that we mostly take for granted now. TCP/IP and HTTPS enable the web. Modern e-mail is built on top of SMTP and IMAP protocols. Usenet newsgroups are built on top of NNTP. Dorsey envisions a foundational “Twitter” protocol that anyone can implement and run. This would need to become a formal Internet standard, which requires going through the Internet Engineering Task Force’s “Request for Comment” (RFC) process. This can take a long time. This is what Bluesky has been working on starting to map out.

Q: But the Bluesky website says its Beta is “launching soon.” Doesn’t that mean it’s close to ready?

A: It means they’re ready for you to start experimenting with some ideas. It doesn’t mean it’s close to being a “product” or “useful,” or some sort of viable competitor with any other product or service. And as of yet it’s difficult to know exactly what a service might look like. Eventually, it might form the basis for a new implementation of Twitter that would replace the current product, and it could be open for others to interoperate with — if they can build a functional and useful protocol, which may take years.

Q: This all sounds crazy. Doesn’t Musk want to make money by owning Twitter?

A: The goals are more ideological in nature. Musk and his backers believe that the global geopolitical arena was being warped by too much “woke” ideology and censorship, and wanted to fix that by first restoring voices that had previously been silenced —and then implementing technical and algorithmic solutions that allow each user to get the experience they want. They think this can “solve” the problems that people cite about social media content. Making money, they figure, will come from the secondary effects of enabling “free speech” and the possibility of building other services like payments and replacing government on top of such an app. Plus the company’s social graph data is a goldmine for other businesses that may wish to benefit from detailed knowledge of the makeup of society.

Q: Uh, isn’t it naive to think that there’s a technical solution to harmful content? Isn’t that likely to lead to more radicalization and cultish behavior?

A: Yes, it’s completely naive and they are being willfully ignorant of the harmful side effects of content. It is a kind of tech fundamentalist solutionism that posits that for any difficult problem, there must be a technical solution. Many sociologists and cultural scholars would argue differently.

Q: What does Dorsey mean, “I trust mission to extend the light of consciousness?”

A: This is a reference to “longtermism,” the heavily marketed philosophy being promoted by Musk and his friend William MacAskill that asserts the only thing that matters is humanity’s future in space, and that the only goal of the living is to maximize the number of future humans alive, as well as the number of artificial intelligence instances that could possibly exist in the future. This mandate is most often used to brush aside calls for improving conditions and alleviating suffering among the living here on Earth now. Because, the theory goes, giving a poor person a blanket isn’t likely to be as useful for the future of humanity as building a rocket to Mars. Longtermism is heavily influenced by “Russian Cosmism” and is also directly adjacent to “Effective Altruism.” Musk’s stated mission, which he intends to fulfill in his lifetime, is to “make humanity a multiplanetary species.” The anti-democratic urge in longtermism is rooted in the belief that “mob rule” will lead to nuclear annihilation; we should, Musk thinks, be guided by “wiser” minds — like his and Putin’s apparently.

Q: Okay, so Musk and Dorsey are collaborators in some weird Mars cult, and don’t actually care about making money from Twitter?

A: Yeah, you’re getting it. Musk also seems pretty interested in helping advance Putin’s “multipolar world order,” which is why he plays footsie with QAnon and MAGA accounts, and pals around with Putin and Dmitry Medvedev. “How are things going in Bakhmut?,” Musk asked Medvedev.

Q: So this is why Musk has been so supportive of the Russians lately? I thought he was on Ukraine’s side, since he helped them out with Starlink?

A: It’s best to look at Musk as a kind of power broker between multiple parties, including Ukraine and Russia. SpaceX was made possible by laws passed by Dana Rohrabacher, Putin’s favorite Congressman. He really doesn’t like the US government, the SEC, and our politicians, and all things considered, he’d probably prefer to replace all of it with an app — call it “X,” the everything app. Elon might say: “Do we really need a government, or could everyone just vote with an app? Be honest.”

Q: So Musk wants to overthrow governments, and Dorsey is helping?

A: Don’t be so dramatic. Everyone knows that the only way to advance society is through technocracy. Musk’s grandfather, Joshua Haldeman, was involved in the technocracy movement in Canada in the 1930’s and was arrested — because it was seen as a threat to the government. The philosopher James Burnham wrote in his 1941 book, “The Managerial Revolution” that society should be run by technical managers, not elected politicians. Russian “methodologists” and “political technologists” concluded the same thing in the 1990’s when they realized that “democracy” would just lead to mob-rule by populists. Democracy, they concluded, must be managed. This is what Putin has concluded, also.

Q: So Putin, Musk, and Dorsey share the same vision?

A: It’s complicated. All seem to think a “multipolar world” is a good thing, because after all, shouldn’t Russia get to do its thing and not be bothered by anyone else? That’s “free speech” and opposes “cancel culture,” right? So yeah, that’s aligned with Putin. But Putin himself doesn’t support free speech; his government censors wildly, but it does support speech that breaks the hegemony of the Western elites. As do Musk and friends. This is internally inconsistent.

Q: Back to the money thing… won’t advertisers balk at all this potential chaos, and won’t Twitter’s business model suffer?

A: Musk and the people backing all this are more interested in reshaping the global order than in earning fake “fiat currency.” Their real goal is to usher in “hard currency” and re-base global currencies around scarcity and physical assets. So no it really doesn’t matter much what happens to Twitter’s ad model in the meantime. It will probably do alright, and they can probably find other ways to make money, like adding in payments and weird Dogecoin schemes.

Q: How is Twitter going to help them kill off fiat currency? You mean like replace the dollar as the world’s reserve currency?

A: As the Russian “methodologists” will tell you, it’s incredibly important to control the information space if you want to alter the real world. As the world plunges deeper into war and economic chaos in 2023–2024, there are real (perceived) opportunities to advance cryptocurrencies and asset-backed tokens to replace the dollar. Whether any of this is realistic or not remains to be seen, but this is what they’d like to pursue — Musk and his deal backers in particular.

Q: So this is why Musk seemingly “overpaid” for Twitter? He and his backers want to use it as a tool of information warfare, to kill off the dollar and help usher in Putin’s “multipolar world?”

A: Yes, that’s why they “overpaid” for Twitter. Because the end goals have nothing to do with Twitter or its ad model by itself. It’s merely a means to an end. Musk is likely to join forces with Trump’s Truth Social and Kanye West’s Parler to try to control much of the information space. And they’ve got the threat of Putin’s nukes to force the issue.

Q: So isn’t Musk’s ownership of Twitter a national security risk? Shouldn’t the deal have been stopped on national security grounds?

A: Yes, this is all a national security risk and the deal should probably have been stopped. The fact that it wasn’t is reflective of either fecklessness or capture of the US government.

Q: Can Musk and his friends really do all this? Should we really be worried? It seems so far-fetched.

A: That remains to be seen, and it’s unlikely they can achieve all they’d like to on the timeline they’d prefer. It will likely take years to make Bluesky into a viable product. However, just because it’s hard doesn’t mean they aren’t going to try. As for the broader anti-government agenda, as we’ve seen with January 6th and other attempts to challenge government, even unsuccessful efforts can be incredibly damaging. It’s worth monitoring the direction this takes and, the effects that it has on society and democracy.

A few other minor corrections to popular commentary on the deal:

Musk will just manipulate the stock price to make money. There is no more public-facing “stock price,” it’s a private company now. $TWTR is no longer a thing.
Boy, Jack really screwed Elon by making him overpay. No, Jack basically asked Elon to buy the company and Elon set the price. Jack owned around 2.4% of Twitter. It’s not clear if he even transacted his shares, or kept them.
Parag is smarter than Elon, he forced him to overpay. Eh, I’m sure Parag did his job, but as CEO he was really responsible for operational concerns. It was the company’s Board and legal team that brought it to a successful close. Parag got his agreed-upon severance package.
Elon never really wanted to do the deal… but they forced him. No, he wanted to do the deal all along, for the reasons I outlined. He might have liked to force some disclosures or lower the price. At some point, the delay and expense of potential litigation wasn’t worth it.
For the record I think Elon is a sociopath, and that this all is going to end in disaster — I just couldn’t stand seeing so much shallow, poorly informed analysis proliferate. So I’ve done my best here to set the record straight.

Ultimately what we are dealing with is the fact that social engineering through control of the information environment is an inevitable reality—the only question is who has the means and moral authority to do it. (I’ve written a whitepaper about this set of concerns here.)

If democracy-minded people don’t seize control of the information environment, powerful sociopathic autocrats will do so instead. We leave a power vacuum open at our peril, and at the moment, Musk and Putin are the ones with the most will to fill it.

For additional background: Read my piece Paranoia on Parade: How Goldbugs, Libertarians and Religious Extremists Brought America to the Brink, which outlines many of the ideological and historical underpinnings of this movement.

I’ve known Jack Dorsey since 2007 and was the first external developer to utilize the Twitter API, for a project called Twittervision, which was featured in the Museum of Modern Art in 2008. I’ve done a lot of data visualization and data-driven journalism using the Twitter API since then. I’m currently focused on investigative journalism about information warfare and threats to democracy. Follow my work at davetroy.com.

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84. "this line is the whole thing. "
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"If democracy-minded people don’t seize control of the information environment, powerful sociopathic autocrats will do so instead. We leave a power vacuum open at our peril, and at the moment, Musk and Putin are the ones with the most will to fill it."


Government is probably 100 years behind where it needs to be with regards to regulating the information environment.



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88. "It's lunacy"
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He's trying to make a super app.

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115. "Yeah no this doesn't make any sense. "
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A big part of this is that Elon doesn't need twitter to make money. Man has told investors that he will grow revenue from 5B today to 25B billion in 5 years. And he has 17B in debt to service. He needs this to make money.

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80. "Nah, but this would be the best time for someone to launch a competing"
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app. Especially if weirdos start to overrun the current version of Twitter.

  

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81. "been too lazy to reset my forgotten password and delete til now..."
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....haven't used it in a decade anyway so RIP



  

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92. "Major changes to verification coming day before election day"
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Can’t possibly see anything wrong or harmful with that
https://mobile.twitter.com/RMac18/status/1588304086792667136

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93. "Taps the sign"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13471860&mode=full#13471879

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94. "Verification changes from identity verification to verification of payme..."
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>Can’t possibly see anything wrong or harmful with that
>https://mobile.twitter.com/RMac18/status/1588304086792667136

Apple had a BAD EXPERIENCE with their new ad system where scammy and gambling apps dominated ad placements because those businesses paid for ads. This will happen on Twitter too.

All it takes under Twitter's new system to get a checkbox is to pay for it - effectively making all other checkmarks given in the old ID verification system much less unique and valuable.

And much less trustworthy - especially because your display name on your profile can be anything - it's only your Twitter handle that is unique.

And he might net *millions* from it - for a company that has *billions* in new debt.

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95. "This is so stupid I can’t even believe it until I see it."
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But then again he just posted hateful and dumb Paul Pelosi gay fanfic in response to Hillary Clinton last week so anything is possible with this clown.

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96. "I feel like I am starting to see the 4Chan-ification of my TL already. "
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but it may be in my head. A lot more brazenly racist comments.

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97. "Risk assessment has stopped"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgueR9aXkAUpUOm?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/04/podcasts/life-under-musk-two-twitter-employees-speak-out.html?showTranscript=1

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98. "To repeat what I said upthread"
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After being extremely too close to the innerworkings for the last year, the degree to which he doesn’t care about humans is somehow understated.

Additionally the degree that he and the people that work for him will cut corners to achieve his goals makes everything haphazard.

It’s twitter, what’s the big harm you may think

You wouldn’t download any random app on your phone because of a myriad of reasons. That’s what twitter is about to become. I promise you. You may have a good or bad front facing experience. On the backend you’re taking on significant risk.

For me he’s top five people that should be far away from levers of power.

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102. "Yup - I’m pretty much done "
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I go there out of habit for music and sports info, and couldn’t care less what these dickhead Republicans are saying, but it’s been everywhere lately. Takes a lot of discipline just to hit “block” without telling them to suck a fat dick and die first.

  

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99. "has anyone's feed changed at all?"
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my feed has never been like pure lefty or anything, but this past week i'm getting sooo many tweets popping up on from Ben Shapiro, Trump Jr, Rob Schneider, James woods, etc.. some are based on degrees of separation (this person follows x), and some just straight suggested.

it not like that never happened before but now it's at a frequency where i had to legit make sure i wasn't following Ben Shapiro lol.

haven't even started muting just because i'm curious to see if it keeps increasing.

  

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100. "oh, I have a slight feeling you'll not have to wait long...."
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>i'm curious to see if
>it keeps increasing.
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101. "It could be your feed changed from Latest Tweets to Top Tweets"
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That happened to me several months back and my feed immediately turned into a right wing cesspool.

I don't remember making the change and not sure if I did it inadvertently or it was done on twitter's end.

I say that because my feed hasn't notably changed yet since Apartheid Clyde took over.

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103. "possibly. I kinda go back and forth between new/top"
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already tho

seeing these people isn't necessarily new, and i hear nothing's really been done yet but I swear it's increased like 5x in the past week.



  

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104. "I mean, I wouldn't put it passed them"
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I just haven't noticed any noticeable changes up to this point to my feed. But I keep it set to Latest.

We'll see as Musk's attack continues.

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106. "you were right. Home/Top seems to be the culprit"
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I don't spend a huge amount of time on twitter, and hadn't checked again until this morning.

it seemed normal so i had to check where it was set, which was latest first. when i switched back to Top, was 80% culture war recommendations from both ends (Kevin Kurse, Chris hayes, Fetterman, Chernovich, Kevin Sorbo, more conservatives i never heard of...) damn if it's not way more than usual though lol.

i probably slow scrolled to many elon stories or something idk

  

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105. "the people you follow must follow/interact w/ that stuff then"
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it's business as usual on my TL. i dont see any of that.

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107. "you probably retweeted someone quote tweeting one of them"
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or something like that

go to your interests feed and remove things

this is a thing that happens

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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108. "Elon Musk threats to 'thermonuclear name and shame'"
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Advertisers pause spending due to uncertainty - then Elon threatens what IS CERTAN - unleash trolls to damage those brands.

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Elon Musk threats to 'thermonuclear name and shame' companies that paused advertising on Twitter

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-threatens-companies-pausing-twitter-ads-2022-11


On Friday, Elon Musk threatened a 'thermonuclear name and shame' against companies that paused advertising on Twitter.

Prior to the statement, Musk blamed pressure from activist groups for the pause on ad spending.

Before the takeover, Musk promised investors Twitter wouldn't become a "free-for-all hellscape" in a letter.

The chaos surrounding Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter continues to mount after the tech billionaire seemingly threatened advertisers in a tweet Friday evening.

Musk said a "thermonuclear name & shame" is coming to companies that have paused their advertising as they wait to see the direction Twitter takes under his new leadership. The tweet came in response to a suggestion from Mike Davis, the former chief counsel for nominations to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley, that Musk list the dissenters in an effort to start a "counter-boycott."

The foreboding message came hours after Musk blamed activist groups for pressuring advertisers and causing a "massive drop in revenue" for Twitter.

"Extremely messed up! They're trying to destroy free speech in America," Musk wrote.

Before taking the helm of Twitter, Musk tweeted an open letter to advertisers promising the platform wouldn't become a "free-for-all hellscape." Companies including General Motors, Volkswagen, Audi, and Pfizer have all paused their advertising on Twitter, expressing concern over potential threats to brand safety and shifts to content moderation strategy.

In a tweet on Saturday, Luma Partners CEO Terence Kawaja responded to Musk's threat to advertisers by calling out his role in generating uncertainty around the company.


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109. "hey, Twitter's gotta make so all the people here who like it can stay"
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tweeting

...along with lot's of election misinformation and all that stuff generated apace in the new Elon Twitter era.

  

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110. "Comedi si now legal"
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Twitter suspended comedian Kathy Griffin's account after she changed her name to Elon Musk to make fun of him

https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-suspends-kathy-griffins-account-after-she-parodied-elon-musk-2022-11

Twitter suspended comedian Kathy Griffin's account on Sunday evening after she jokingly pretended to be Elon Musk on the platform and mocked him in several tweets.

Griffin now joins a range of several celebrities and figures who had their Twitter handles suspended for parodying Musk. A week earlier, the billionaire had declared that "comedy is now legal on Twitter," after buying the platform.

Griffin had changed her name to "Elon Musk" and copied his profile picture, tweeting: "After much spirited discussion with the females in my life, I've decided that voting blue for their choice is only right. (They're also sexy females, btw.) #VoteBlueToProtectWomen."

Earlier that day, Musk said that Twitter would permanently suspend handles that impersonate someone if the owner fails to clearly denote that their account is a parody.

"Previously, we issued a warning before suspension, but now that we are rolling out widespread verification, there will be no warning," Musk tweeted.

Any name change at all from a verified account would lead to "temporary loss of verified checkmark," he added.

Musk later replied to a tweet about Griffin's suspension.

"Actually she was suspended for impersonating a comedian," the billionaire wrote.

"But if she really wants her account back, she can have it," he said. "For $8," he added, referencing his proposed paid-verification checkmark system for $7.99 a month.

In a similar case, former NFL punter Chris Kluwe had his verified account suspended when he changed its details to match Musk's profile. "There is nothing better than waking up and enjoying a fresh, steaming cup of my own urine," he tweeted.

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111. "Elon Musk: Vote for Republicans"
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Elon Musk, now perched atop Twitter, urges his followers to vote for Republicans

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-twitter-republicans-midterm-election/

New Twitter owner Elon Musk is telling his more than 100 million followers on the social media service to cast ballots for Republicans in Tuesday's midterm elections.

In a tweet addressed to "independent-minded voters," the Tesla chief executive advised voting for a Republican Congress, saying that "shared power curbs the worst excesses of both parties."

Musk's political message comes just over a week after he posted a tweet advancing baseless allegations about the recent attack on the husband of House speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat. The tweet was later deleted. Musk on Sunday also tweeted that "Twitter needs to become by far the most accurate source of information about the world. That's our mission."

Since completing his $44 billion purchase of Twitter late last month, Musk has moved swiftly to put his imprint on the struggling company. Along with firing former CEO Parag Agrawal and other top executives, Musk has laid off roughly half the company's workforce, or about 3,700 people, in a move to slash costs.

Musk, who has characterized himself as an advocate for free speech, has also vowed to relax content moderation on the platform after a "council" reviews its policies. On Sunday, he tweeted that Twitter would permanently suspend any account that impersonates another person. Kathy Griffin was among those to lose her Twitter privileges after the comedian and others changed their display names to "Elon Musk."

et the takeover has also led a number of major companies to suspend their advertising on Twitter, including Audi, General Mills, GM, Mondelez and Pfizer, amid pressure from human rights groups. Musk on Friday said that has caused a "massive drop" in revenue at the company, whose growth had slowed sharply this year and which continues to lose money.

Previously, Musk has expressed his desire to make Twitter less reliant on advertising, in part by charging an $8 monthly fee for verification.
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112. "Also: Elon posts Nazi imagery "
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Also this tweet:
Musk Shares a Nazi Meme Then Tells Twitter to Vote Republican

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musks-shares-a-nazi-meme-then-tells-twitter-followers-to-vote-republican-in-tuesdays-midterm-elections

Note: People currently arguing it was a Wehrmacht soldier - and not a "real" Nazi , just the normal German military during World War II - see the difference?

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114. "he didn't bring Trump back yet because it could hurt repubs"
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in the mid terms. he sucks up all the press and it would remind people of the constant chaos

trump will prob be back before the weekend.

as far as the other shit, its pretty predictable. he claimed to be a republican now a few months back, now he's back to pretending he's an independent/free thinker.

his reasoning is dumb and phony too. when repubs take over congress, he's gonna support the republican nominee on some. "i believe in balance but the dems are just too radical!"

  

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113. "haven't used in years. Actively deactivated that bitch today"
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116. "what if J*n*s bought okp?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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118. "Who?"
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####?
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.3322083235.6076/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

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123. "Mike J*n*s."
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124. "lol."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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126. "nice!"
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130. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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153. "RE: Mike J*n*s."
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________________________
http://www.twitter.com/jose3030 - Twitter

  

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117. "all of Twitter behind a paywall"
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good luck with that...

https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/7/23446262/elon-musk-twitter-paywall-possible

If Friday brought massive layoffs to Twitter, Monday brought fresh evidence that the company will never be the same. Elon Musk has discussed putting the entire site behind a paywall, Platformer has learned. Meanwhile, the company is scrambling to lure back employees who it laid off mere hours ago, and some workers say the economics behind its soon-to-relaunch Twitter Blue subscription could actually lose the company money.

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119. "10000000% the best idea"
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He'll make MILLIONS!!!!

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121. "Elon failing miserably and ruining twitter at the same time, sounds"
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like a win/win.

*prayer hands emoji*

  

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120. "Can tek and poetx scrape the site and mirror it today? "
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Especially on all the police shootings, every election, and the killing of black activists in st. Louis?

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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166. "RE: Can tek and poetx scrape the site and mirror it today? "
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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122. "Nope, Twitter is fun and good"
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It's a newsfeed that you can curate according to writer, not just news outlet. And it gives people a chance to interact with actual experts in serious disciplines who are willing to freely offer their perspectives. There are serious historians practicing their craft and drafting their work in real time and we can see it, for free, on our phones. That's a modern miracle.

Oh, and you can tell an actual Hapsburg and an actual Mussolini what you think of them. And they're probably going to read it. That's democracy in action. It, both the app in general and one's individual feed, needs to be maintained actively and not run on autopilot. But the upsides are so much bigger than the downsides.

I'll also add that, when twitter kicks it, that won't just be the end of the matter. There's going to be a void and some other app that we have less control over is going to fill it.

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125. "the weird thing about twitter is that it's amazing"
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but it also has basically no value

and was the one good idea of a dude who otherwise seems to be a complete fucking idiot

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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127. "“Elon is willing to take on a huge amount of risk in relation to his c..."
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In the same message, the employee said Twitter’s current head of Legal, Alex Spiro, said “Elon is willing to take on a huge amount of risk in relation to his company and its users, because ‘Elon puts rockets into space, he’s not afraid of the FTC

https://mobile.twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1590725083294990336

According to messages shared in Twitter Slack, Twitter’s CISO, chief privacy office, and chief compliance officer all resigned last night.

An employee says it will be up to engineers to “self-certify compliance with FTC requirements and other laws.”


https://mobile.twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1590724257608134657

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128. "so why is dude blowing this up? Just because he can? "
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A 19 year old paid the $8 and spoofed Adam Schefter’s site and said the Raiders coach was fired this morning.

Just to prove how sloppy twitter is right now.

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129. "As I said upthread. Dude doesnt care about humans"
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And where a normal person sees a social media platform as a means for humans to communicate with each other
A person like him sees it as a way to monetize communication
All of the ideas stem from that. It’s not much deeper that than.
It’s why he doesnt care about advertisements much, or PR, or user experience, and also why he’s focused on bots but not at the same time

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136. "I doubt the previous owners REALLY cared about humans either"
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but at least they were competent in running the company and understood why it was successful.

I read the bulk of their income came from Advertising, so if Advertisers don't want to fuck with Twitter they're going to be in trouble.

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137. "but they probably cared a lot more than Elon.. lol"
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138. "I dont think yall get it. His overall belief system is that future human..."
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More valuable than current humans and that he’s the sole person on this planet to push humanity to that end
In his view yours or my life is only as valuable as it is to extend the human experience of certain type of humanity
In that lens most everyone is not only not important but also disposable.
This person is sociopathic in their singular vision and has been rewarded by becoming the “richest” man on the planet.
He will always double down on that maniacal and drive

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139. "But Apple charges for charging bricks...."
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They are BOTH THE SAME!

(Sorry, just replying before all the others reply with this EXACT logic.)

>More valuable than current humans and that he’s the sole
>person on this planet to push humanity to that end
>In his view yours or my life is only as valuable as it is to
>extend the human experience of certain type of humanity
>In that lens most everyone is not only not important but also
>disposable.
>This person is sociopathic in their singular vision and has
>been rewarded by becoming the “richest” man on the planet.
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>He will always double down on that maniacal and drive

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140. "Honestly even in my family texts they dont get it"
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Like they can ask all of the work questions and believe me on how cool things are but the second I start talking about my worries and risks they downplay it.
I dont know what thats about.

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131. "Hubris. Absolute belief in his own genius. Greed."
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And a simple desire to make all his money back by whatever means necessary after over-paying.

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134. "I genuinely believe he's a russian asset"
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Ultimately he wants to buy aluminum and mineral rights from Russia, so it's in his best interest to help disrupt American institutions, which is a high priority for the Kremlin.

Some lawyer on Twitter mentioned something about having Twitter file for bankruptcy and using it as a cover to restructure his debt, so that's an option too.

Lastly, a small part of me also just feels like he's an immature egotistical dickhead who's previous success covered up his terrible management style and lack of genuine innovation, so now he's just getting exposed 🤷🏾‍♀️.

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132. "Well, it only took 13 to functionally run the site into the ground"
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Is that a win considering that it took a week to kill Digg?

What a clusterfuck.

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133. "Digg took much longer than a week."
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They died after essentially making the same mistake that Elon is making now:
1. Large product pivot
2. Thinking they can quickly rewrite the app (second system syndrome)

The whole saga played out over a couple of months iirc.

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135. "I can't think of another CEO so misled by their own desire to uphold"
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a public persona

I feel like this was entirely egged on by the right and the edgelord fanboys that idolize him

He had multiple chances to back away and let the clamor die, but he went all in. Showing up with a sink as a stunt while sending doomer emails to staff? Any normal billionaire (as normal as they can be) wouldn't think to do this stuff.




  

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142. "Everyone's mental health is pretty much trash"
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He's also a (confessed?) aspy.

Real problem is you can't tell people that much money ANYTHING.

I think he's made a huge mistake. He could literally lose 50 billion dollars (entire value of company + penalties and lawsuits).

Already I'm wondering if the last few weeks represent the largest decrease of someone's net worth in world history.

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144. "Sam Bankman-Fried too"
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bleed them dry lol

  

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141. "I just tweeted about this lol"
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It does NOT take long to totally fuck a social media platform.

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143. "Is this the first major example of the “disrupters” disrupting “di..."
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Facebook just canibalized all of its competitors, this feels different.
Like a roach hopping in an edgar suit (c) Men In Black

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145. "Paid verification system paused "
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Lol.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/11/twitter-blue-subscription-disappears-from-app.html

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146. "I am SURE that EVERY business analysts and product owner @Titter told hi..."
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Paying for something DOES NTO EQUAL VERIFICATION OF IDENTITY.

It's verification of payment.

And his "$8 is barrier that will stop bots" is actually "Hey, it's only $8 to run my bot and get promoted."

Assuming he's doing as best as he can then he's a deeply deeply stupid man.



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147. "Hey why are folks talking like the lights are about to go out on twitter"
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any moment now?

Is the idea that everyone will leave? Technically it will fall apart? It will go bankrupt AND shutdown?

It's hard to see any of this happening. I mean even if it goes bankrupt someone who knows how to run it will buy it I would think.


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148. "ads were their lifeline and they pissed off every major brand"
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why the fuck would McDonald's advertise on there when any asshole with 8 bucks can impersonate them?

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149. "Here’s how a Twitter engineer says it will break in the coming weeks (..."
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One insider says the company’s current staffing isn’t able to sustain the platform.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/08/1062886/heres-how-a-twitter-engineer-says-it-will-break-in-the-coming-weeks/?utm_source=pocket_saves


By Chris Stokel-Walker
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On November 4, just hours after Elon Musk fired half of the 7,500 employees previously working at Twitter, some people began to see small signs that something was wrong with everyone’s favorite hellsite. And they saw it through retweets.

Twitter introduced retweets in 2009, turning an organic thing people were already doing—pasting someone else’s username and tweet, preceded by the letters RT—into a software function. In the years since, the retweet and its distant cousin the quote tweet (which launched in April 2015) have become two of the most common mechanics on Twitter.

But on Friday, a few users who pressed the retweet button saw the years roll back to 2009. Manual retweets, as they were called, were back.

The return of the manual retweet wasn’t Elon Musk’s latest attempt to appease users. Instead, it was the first public crack in the edifice of Twitter’s code base—a blip on the seismometer that warns of a bigger earthquake to come.

A massive tech platform like Twitter is built upon very many interdependent parts. “The larger catastrophic failures are a little more titillating, but the biggest risk is the smaller things starting to degrade,” says Ben Krueger, a site reliability engineer who has more than two decades of experience in the tech industry. “These are very big, very complicated systems.” Krueger says one 2017 presentation from Twitter staff includes a statistic suggesting that more than half the back-end infrastructure was dedicated to storing data.

While many of Musk’s detractors may hope the platform goes through the equivalent of thermonuclear destruction, the collapse of something like Twitter happens gradually. For those who know, gradual breakdowns are a sign of concern that a larger crash could be imminent. And that’s what’s happening now.

It’s the small things
Whether it’s manual RTs appearing for a moment before retweets slowly morph into their standard form, ghostly follower counts that race ahead of the number of people actually following you, or replies that simply refuse to load, small bugs are appearing at Twitter’s periphery. Even Twitter’s rules, which Musk linked to on November 7, went offline temporarily under the load of millions of eyeballs. In short, it’s becoming unreliable.

“Sometimes you’ll get notifications that are a little off,” says one engineer currently working at Twitter, who’s concerned about the way the platform is reacting after vast swathes of his colleagues who were previously employed to keep the site running smoothly were fired. (That last sentence is why the engineer has been granted anonymity to talk for this story.) After struggling with downtime during its “Fail Whale” days, Twitter eventually became lauded for its team of site reliability engineers, or SREs. Yet this team has been decimated in the aftermath of Musk’s takeover. “It’s small things, at the moment, but they do really add up as far as the perception of stability,” says the engineer.

The small suggestions of something wrong will amplify and multiply as time goes on, he predicts—in part because the skeleton staff remaining to handle these issues will quickly burn out. “Round-the-clock is detrimental to quality, and we’re already kind of seeing this,” he says.

Twitter’s remaining engineers have largely been tasked with keeping the site stable over the last few days, since the new CEO decided to get rid of a significant chunk of the staff maintaining its code base. As the company tries to return to some semblance of normalcy, more of their time will be spent addressing Musk’s (often taxing) whims for new products and features, rather than keeping what’s already there running.

This is particularly problematic, says Krueger, for a site like Twitter, which can have unforeseen spikes in user traffic and interest. Krueger contrasts Twitter with online retail sites, where companies can prepare for big traffic events like Black Friday with some predictability. “When it comes to Twitter, they have the possibility of having a Black Friday on any given day at any time of the day,” he says. “At any given day, some news event can happen that can have significant impact on the conversation.” Responding to that is harder to do when you lay off up to 80% of your SREs—a figure Krueger says has been bandied about within the industry but which MIT Technology Review has been unable to confirm. The Twitter engineer agreed that the percentage sounded “plausible.”

That engineer doesn’t see a route out of the issue—other than reversing the layoffs (which the company has reportedly already attempted to roll back somewhat). “If we’re going to be pushing at a breakneck pace, then things will break,” he says. “There’s no way around that. We’re accumulating technical debt much faster than before—almost as fast as we’re accumulating financial debt.”

The list grows longer
He presents a dystopian future where issues pile up as the backlog of maintenance tasks and fixes grows longer and longer. “Things will be broken. Things will be broken more often. Things will be broken for longer periods of time. Things will be broken in more severe ways,” he says. “Everything will compound until, eventually, it’s not usable.”

Twitter’s collapse into an unusable wreck is some time off, the engineer says, but the telltale signs of process rot are already there. It starts with the small things: “Bugs in whatever part of whatever client they’re using; whatever service in the back end they’re trying to use. They’ll be small annoyances to start, but as the back-end fixes are being delayed, things will accumulate until people will eventually just give up.”

Krueger says that Twitter won’t blink out of life, but we’ll start to see a greater number of tweets not loading, and accounts coming into and out of existence seemingly at a whim. “I would expect anything that’s writing data on the back end to possibly have slowness, timeouts, and a lot more subtle types of failure conditions,” he says. “But they’re often more insidious. And they also generally take a lot more effort to track down and resolve. If you don’t have enough engineers, that’s going to be a significant problem.”

The juddering manual retweets and faltering follower counts are indications that this is already happening. Twitter engineers have designed fail-safes that the platform can fall back on so that the functionality doesn’t go totally offline but cut-down versions are provided instead. That’s what we’re seeing, says Krueger.

Alongside the minor malfunctions, the Twitter engineer believes that there’ll be significant outages on the horizon, thanks in part to Musk’s drive to reduce Twitter’s cloud computing server load in an attempt to claw back up to $3 million a day in infrastructure costs. Reuters reports that this project, which came from Musk’s war room, is called the “Deep Cuts Plan.” One of Reuters’s sources called the idea “delusional,” while Alan Woodward, a cybersecurity professor at the University of Surrey, says that “unless they’ve massively overengineered the current system, the risk of poorer capacity and availability seems a logical conclusion.”

Brain drain
Meanwhile, when things do go kaput, there’s no longer the institutional knowledge to quickly fix issues as they arise. “A lot of the people I saw who were leaving after Friday have been there nine, 10, 11 years, which is just ridiculous for a tech company,” says the Twitter engineer. As those individuals walked out of Twitter offices, decades of knowledge about how its systems worked disappeared with them. (Those within Twitter, and those watching from the sidelines, have previously argued that Twitter’s knowledge base is overly concentrated in the minds of a handful of programmers, some of whom have been fired.)

Unfortunately, teams stripped back to their bare bones (according to those remaining at Twitter) include the tech writers’ team. “We had good documentation because of ,” says the engineer. No longer. When things go wrong, it’ll be harder to find out what has happened.

Getting answers will be harder externally as well. The communications team has been cut down from between 80 and 100 to just two people, according to one former team member who MIT Technology Review spoke to. “There’s too much for them to do, and they don’t speak enough languages to deal with the press as they need to,” says the engineer.

When MIT Technology Review reached out to Twitter for this story, the email went unanswered.

Musk’s recent criticism of Mastodon, the open-source alternative to Twitter that has piled on users in the days since the entrepreneur took control of the platform, invites the suggestion that those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. The Twitter CEO tweeted, then quickly deleted, a post telling users, “If you don’t like Twitter anymore, there is awesome site called Masterbatedone .” Accompanying the words was a physical picture of his laptop screen open on Paul Krugman’s Mastodon profile, showing the economics columnist trying multiple times to post. Despite Musk’s attempt to highlight Mastodon’s unreliability, its success has been remarkable: nearly half a million people have signed up since Musk took over Twitter.

It’s happening at the same time that the first cracks in Twitter’s edifice are starting to show. It’s just the beginning, expects Krueger. “I would expect to start seeing significant public-facing problems with the technology within six months,” he says. “And I feel like that’s a generous estimate.”


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158. "the stuff in this article"
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feels like stuff anyone could guess, and it's stuff generally seen already


I agree w/ this tweet, that where it could really get fucked, is a cert expiration (WHICH EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND BY NOW LOL)

https://twitter.com/MalwareJake/status/1594045810223697920

"I'm FAR more concerned with certificate management. If I were a betting man, I'd think that's the first thing to break."

for something like twitter, there are countless services, and servers that all have certs that expire at random times, and it's who even knows how many peoples' jobs to stay on top of all of that.

idk if all those people don't work there anymore, but I know for sure that some of them don't, and it's hard enough staying on top of even when just one person leaves.

outside of okp, I've seen it happen multiple times at work.

there are so many moving parts behind little shit like logging in or displaying an image and if just one of them is boned you have nothing, and if everyone knows where everything is it can still take 6-12 hours to fix.

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159. "because he looks like he is forcing out the best people"
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at a record pace?

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160. "> Someone who knows how to run it will buy it I would think."
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I mean Elon doesn't know how to run it - he's not writing the code, designing the infrastructure and doing all the maintenance, etc.

And there are so many moving parts at Twitter's scale that the dream/lie that a small team of Any Rand-ian entrepreneurs will be able to keep it running as it was before.

And coming in to "fix it" would require a large skilled team AND time.

No one "knows" how to run it except the thousands of people who have been fired. And not any single one or small gorup of them really understood it all.

I expect him to jettison large parts of the platform like localized versions, Twitter Spaces, Fleets, etc.
Um, is Superfollow still a thing??

And I could see video/picture hosting being moved to a pay service.

He's effectively already jettisoned trust and safety, content moderation, copyright protection, etc.


I'd SERIOUSLY hope that in the coming days he outlines his content moderation enforcement mechanism in some form OR the app is de-platformed by Google and Apple until he does(and if he is not adequately moderating content.)



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151. "Is Musk the dumbest "world's richest man!" ever?"
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Less than a month, and the company is in its death throes.

Reportedly, that "WE NEED YOU TO BE HARDCORE OR THERE'S THE DOOR!" e-mail went over like a wet fart. People are saying somewhere 75% of the remaining employees decided to bounce, even after Musk tried to sorta walk it back. Now the offices are closed until Monday, and no one's badges will work.

I'm just waiting for stories that the severance checks promised to fleeing employees have started to bounce.

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157. "Easily."
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152. "no"
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154. "Absolutely not. I just got to that motherfucker for real"
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Holla at me btw if you on there @thereisacode

  

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155. "Yeah its over "
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156. "burn baby burn "
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161. "To be fair to him, he passed his first today."
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The World Cup is underway and Twitter didn't collapse. Hast to take that as a win.

If he pulls this Twitter thing off with a fraction of the employees they used to have it'll send shockwaves throughout the industry.

  

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162. "I would hope the industry isnt so dumb to say a customer facing experien..."
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Is what matters most.
And I hope that at least consumers here dont do the PR work for him.
All hardware and software is so much more than what we see

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163. "Humans are hilarious with their toys!"
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what will they think is important next?

not air, water, or food for their neighbors

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164. "Interest insight on why advertisers are and will be leaving the platform..."
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https://twitter.com/petergyang/status/1594696056348049410?t=gkCjtjceSUSl_3xAb0YyfQ&s=19

  

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167. "Heard about the 2AF problem"
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but the real issue is slowly but surely more of this shit is going to break once they don’t have the manpower to keep up with daily operations.

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168. "we dug as deep as we could on the 2fa thing "
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and while there were definitely people having problems, the rumor about a service being down or one particular vector being completely crashed didn't hold up.

the people saying it didn't know anything, and we found people who had it working on all ways at the same time

  

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165. "Yup, deleted a few days ago"
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I was never an active user, so not missing out on anything really. I can't stand Elon.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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169. ""General" Amnesty"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/24/twitter-musk-reverses-suspensions/

Elon Musk plans to reinstate nearly all previously banned Twitter accounts — to the alarm of activists and online trust and safety experts.

After posting a Twitter poll asking, “Should Twitter offer a general amnesty to suspended accounts, provided that they have not broken the law or engaged in egregious spam?” in which 72.4 percent of the respondents voted yes, Musk declared, “Amnesty begins next week.”

The Twitter CEO did not respond Thursday to a request for comment from The Washington Post. The poll garnered more than 3 million votes.

The mass return of users who had been banned for such offenses as violent threats, harassment and misinformation will have a significant impact on the platform, experts said. And many questioned how such a resurrection would be handled, given that it’s unclear what Musk means by “egregious spam” and the difficulty of separating out users who have “broken the law,” which vary widely by jurisdiction and country.

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170. "Fastest way to bankruptcy?"
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171. "I think we're looking at it too logically"
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It doesn't look like there's been a mass exodus from the platform yet so he's got a TON of users he can monetize if he figures out how.

And the site seems to keep largely running without major obvious TECHNICAL issues.

So Twitter's failure will be almost entirely dependent on losing users - and according to the poll here even most people are not going to be leaving unless it turns into the hell scape some already think it is.

If Elon can do these things it'll be viable:
1)Prevent major downtimes
2)HIDE/suppress hateful content from people who don't want to see it. Think REDDIT but with the users posting bad comments ALWAYS trying to figure out how to get it in front of more and more people.
3)Find a way to get near breaking even money wise - or just sink money into it because he has a TON of money.

In this model the right-wing trolls will get to post their vitriol AND complain about not having entirely "free speech."


He does all this I doubt people will leave - or those using it basically as an RSS feed.

Unless Apple and Google take the app of the store because of the lack of moderation.

But if his wild mood swings, complete lies, and obvious shit-posting hasn't scared folks off yet then I don't think it will.

He's a master conman and were out here saying "How do people keep falling for this shit??"

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172. "I think most of the MICROSERVICES ARE DEAD is bs"
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but twitter is going to get fucked by a cert expiration sooner or later

the problem is, musk is shit at running companies, and always has been.

he is doing a shit job now


his plan does not make twitter profitable, even if you cut costs to the very bone


he can (and I think he is) juke the stats by pushing more notifications, etc to juice active user numbers.

but it isn't showing more ads, and even if twitter weren't hell, it's a dogshit place for advertisers and that revenue is falling by more than any subscription can fill


sooner or later he loses interest and puts it in someone else's hands, the question is who that person is

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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173. "How did you actually type this on purpose "
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>the problem is, musk is shit at running companies, and always
>has been.
>

Speculate on the future of Twitter all you want, but the guy single-handedly disrupted auto manufacturing and left the titans of the industry in a place they’ll never recover from. How’s that for “shit”

  

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174. "If by "single-handedly" you mean using government money then sure"
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Without those subsidies Tesla wouldn't exist.

  

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175. "I can tell you with 100% confidence that manufacturing has not been"
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Disrupted. Of all the things that have been changed manufacturing is not.
There’s nothing innovative about speed to customer, QC after sale/delivery.
That process is pretty much rejected in any other industry by the customer
Imagine getting a TV from Sony only when you get home and plug it in do you find out what needs to be repaired.
You’d throw a fit.

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176. "he bought tesla"
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kicked out the founders and sued to say he was a co-founder... so not really single-handedly...

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177. "Tesla might sell a million cars this year. Toyota will sell 10.5 million..."
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Gm will sell 7. Ford and Honda will sell 4 each.

He ain't disrupt anything.

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178. "Less than that Toyota manufacturing is the lead example of ALL manufactu..."
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Its not just the cars but the entire methodology of six sigma is built off of Toyota
Elon Musk has decided to take the software approach to manufacturing and there is sooooooo much waste and inefficiency in the manufacturing process. Just piles and piles of rework and short cuts built into every step.
It requires so many things to work, skirting laws, subsidies, investors, loans, etc … hell the company was nearly insolvent like 3 years ago.
The vehicles are one thing, but manufacturing is not the best part of the company at all.

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181. "because I've spent a significant part of the last decade"
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watching what he's done at Tesla

talking to the people who worked there

and talking to Elon Musk himself.


he didn't leave the titans of the industry anywhere.

he's building cars in a parking lot in California.

he has a new plant in Texas where he's sucking up to politicians who won't let him sell his cars in the state.

he's very good at selling tax credits, and hyping himself up.

he's very good at throwing engineers at a problem, working them until failure, and then replacing them with others, all incentivized by stock options.

he's very good at turning abject failure into people paying him to go away (he's done this more than once)

I know who Elon Musk is, and I don't say these things about him out of ignorance or even any kind of personal feelings. These are just the things that happened.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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182. "disrupted auto manufacturing and running a company are two different"
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things.


There are innovators and entrepreneurs who move quickly and break shit and that gets a lot of love these days but there are people who take a business and build it into something that grows indefinitely and is stable. Its the difference between Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg.

Twitter had a problem with not consistently making money. But it had great revenue and a large user base so the right person or people could have come along and improved the business.

I thought it could have been Elon Musk. Slashing the staff by 50% wasn't even the worst idea. but the execution has been shit.

And if he thinks that Twitters biggest problem is lack of free speech, then you really have to think he is not as smart as people have been touting him to be.

If dude had stayed the SpaceX and Tesla Guy, he would have gone down as one of the business greats. I think he now goes down as another rich dork even if he manages to right the business by hiring the right people.


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184. "btw, if you want to call out Musk as disruptive for what he's done at Te..."
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there is an example you can use, it just isn't the cars.

it's the supercharger network.

it's vastly better than what anyone else has managed in EV charging, it's very widespread, and unlike tesla's actual vehicles, it's very valuable.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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194. "How are you this loud, this wrong, this many times? "
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in this thread alone.

But it's not just here, and not just this subject.


How do you so often say things with such confidence that are so wrong?

  

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179. "Even though this won't be, this is the last thing that should be said:"
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If you don't mind being a part of some billionaire starting a right-wing movement that is cool with January 6th....


...all that talk that went on here one-up-ing folks on left-wing "stuff" was nothing.


Always thought it was in the first place.

  

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180. "this thread is comedy"
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Great job, would read again

  

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183. "Elon says Apple can support Free Speech by buying ads"
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Free speech = People paying him for Ads.

No ads then you are an enemy of free speech.

Also, if you remove his app because of lack of moderation then you are CENSORING him.


Also:

https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/28/23482387/elon-musk-twitter-apple-threat-withhold-app-store


https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-attacks-apple-tim-cook-over-advertising-and-censorship-11669662024



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185. "this dude's such a corny ghoul"
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597183438779342849?t=4QPB4b-ay1kIOGqDKxc-Ag&s=19

  

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186. "Covid misinformation policy"
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Twitter is no longer enforcing its Covid misinformation policy

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/tech/twitter-covid-misinformation-policy/index.html

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Twitter said it will no longer enforce its longstanding Covid misinformation policy, yet another sign of how Elon Musk plans to transform the social media company he bought a month ago.

In 2020, Twitter developed an extensive set of rules that sought to prohibit “harmful misinformation” about the virus and its vaccines.

Between January 2020 and September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts for breaking Covid misinformation rules and removed almost 100,000 pieces of content that violated those rules, according to statistics published by Twitter. The policy received acclaim from medical professionals: In an advisory to technology platforms, US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy cited Twitter’s rules as an example of what companies should do to combat misinformation.

Twitter did not appear to formally announce the rule change. Instead, some Twitter users Monday night spotted a note added to the page on Twitter’s website that outlines its Covid policy.

“Effective November 23, 2022, Twitter is no longer enforcing the COVID-19 misleading information policy,” the note read.

Musk has promised to restore many previously banned Twitter accounts as soon as this week. It is possible that among the restored accounts will be some of the 11,000 banned under Twitter’s former Covid misinformation rules.

The Twitter, Tesla and SpaceX CEO tested the limits of Twitter’s previous policy in the early days of the pandemic. In March and April 2020, Musk used the social network to downplay the magnitude of the crisis and express frustration with how the pandemic had been handled. He repeatedly urged the end of the stay-at-home policies, despite public health officials’ insistence at the time that social distancing remained necessary to avoid a wave of infections that could overwhelm hospitals.

On a Tesla earnings call with Wall Street analysts in April 2020, Musk went off script to rail against Covid policies.

“I would call it, ‘forcibly imprisoning people in their homes’ against all their Constitutional rights, in my opinion, and breaking people’s freedoms in ways that are horrible and wrong and not why people came to America or built this country,” Musk said on the call. “It’s an outrage.”

Musk says he has twice had Covid. Despite his skepticism of public health policy, he has said he supports vaccination, even if he doesn’t believe the shots should be mandated. Still, he said in a New York Times podcast interview with technology journalist Kara Swisher in September 2020 that he would not get vaccinated because, “I’m not at risk for Covid, nor are my kids.”

When Swisher confronted Musk with the possibility that many people could die if they didn’t follow public health recommendations, he replied bluntly: “Everybody dies.”


Link to page: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/covid19.html#2021-jul-dec

Effective November 23, 2022, Twitter is no longer enforcing the COVID-19 misleading information policy.

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187. "Fire hydrant of bullshit"
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188. "But what is the goal of picking a fight with Apple?"
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597285572699074560

The direct read is that Musk thinks its a good approach to try and shame advertisers into coming back to his platform. He can't believe that would work does he?

Alternatively, is he trying to go on the offense to keep Apple from delisting twitter from the app store? That doesn't seem like a good strategy either.

You almost have to think he is doing some 3D chess because it is really hard to believe he is this dumb...but it looks like he is that dumb.




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189. "Pre-emptively so when the app is removed he can point to it"
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I have little doubt that Apple AND Google will remove the app from their app stores before the end of the year.

This is how the right "virtue signals."

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MEAT
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190. "Goading them into a legal fight to get insight on their processes and mo..."
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Tue Nov-29-22 01:24 PM by MEAT

  

          

He wants to take up the fight that Epic waged and be more ruthless through it.

Basically if he can find a way to monetize the download and internalize financial processes he can generate revenue without ad dollars

But as long as apple takes a 30% cut he’s limited in how far he can push the app to make him money.

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192. "as a person who has spent too much time thinking about elon musk"
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whenever you think his moves are some 3d chess shit I promise you you're wrong.

I'm not saying he's dumb (although he's not especially intelligent, he's like trump in that he's savvy in a few ways and basically just leans on those 24/7) but he is impulsive as shit, enabled by everyone around him, and occasionally led by the nose by other people.

there are a lot of people who don't like the app store fees, and I'm sure all of them are in elon's DMs telling him to take this fight


but the key thing to remember about elon


is why he owns twitter.

it's because, a. he had / has access to $44 billion to buy a company that's probably worth 1/3 of that.

and b. because even after he spent untold amounts of money and months arguing in court that he shouldn't have to buy twitter for $44 billion, he got his ass kicked in court so hard that he had no choice but to do it.


his successes have come because he's rich (remember how he won that "pedo guy" lawsuit that was completely unwinnable because he definitely defamded the shit out of some random guy? random guy's lawyer is a fucking lunatic Q anoner, that's the only way he got out of that),

he's rich because he failed up.

that's the story there


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Rjcc
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193. "if Twitter, the company that never did anything right ever"
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could absolutely dogwalk Elon in court until he had to pay up the 44 billi


what do you think Apple, a company with actually competent leadership, is going to do?


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DJR
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191. "Deleted mine"
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I want no parts of that bullshit. It’s getting far too weird.

  

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Reeq
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195. "twitter is missing advertising revenue targets by *80*%."
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Fri Dec-02-22 08:24 PM by Reeq

  

          

twitter ad marketplace looking like an nft marketplace.

and 90+% of twitters revenue is from ads lol.

the majority of their top advertisers already stopped their ads within weeks of the musk takeover.

i dont see how twitter avoids bankruptcy. especially with musk just making things increasingly worse with unbanning the type of shit that advertisers dont wanna see their brand next to.

and with twitter intentionally forcefeeding right wing nutjob tweets down the throats of their overwhelmingly young educated liberal user base.
https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1598843648694796288

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c71
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196. "All in for trump"
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yep

  

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makaveli
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197. "It seems like it’s getting bad"
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Fri Dec-02-22 10:07 PM by makaveli

  

          

I mean, it was already bad enough before Elon. It seems like a lot more bots, definitely seeing more right wing tweets and the stupid blue check thing is so annoying.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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