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"QAnon supporter and racist GOP'er wins Georgia primary"


          

and is likely headed to Congress:

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/901628541/qanon-supporter-who-made-bigoted-videos-wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre

I know we haven't had the pleasure to really break down the QAnon lunacy here (and I really didn't want to) - but now that these cultists are running candidates for Congress - we should talk about it. Also, this QAnon cult is more widespread than you might think - pulling in not just traditional Conservatives but also gunning for the (un)conscious community and the self-identified "Woke" community - and Trump is (literally) banking on them giving him a boost in November:

https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/products/woke-hat

Look: we have our difference here as we've made abundantly clear - but I hope we can all rally in unison to thwart this absolute lunacy coming from the far-right - which unfortunately is no longer just a fringe movement.

What's the strategy of countering this? Because it ain't just some boogaloo boys buying into this - but even your local yogis are spreading this non-sense as of late.

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dems should make her the republican aoc.
Aug 12th 2020
1
Exactly. Dems need to weaponize this madness to their benefit
Aug 12th 2020
3
Still better than Joe Biden!!!!!
Aug 12th 2020
2
I have a very passive & general knowledge of how "Q" became a thing
Aug 12th 2020
An entire world collapsing conspiracy ...
Aug 12th 2020
5
See here's the thing:
Aug 12th 2020
7
Two years ago NBCNews basically exposed the whole thing
Aug 12th 2020
8
so
Aug 19th 2020
11
if you have knowledge of Q then you know...
Aug 19th 2020
22
Sorry. Double post n/m
Aug 12th 2020
4
Dissolve the Constitution!
Aug 12th 2020
6
Facts:
Aug 19th 2020
10
Right winger Laura Loomer who claims Dems want to usher in Sharia
Aug 19th 2020
9
This is the scary part
Aug 19th 2020
12
Imagine this, the former head of the intelligence committee
Aug 19th 2020
13
Oh, I'm elbow deep in Q shit. I fucking hate these people.
Aug 19th 2020
14
Man. Word for fucking word I'm having this exact argument with someone.
Aug 19th 2020
15
Do you think it's actually about children for these people though?
Aug 19th 2020
16
LOL yep.
Aug 19th 2020
17
it's one of the quickest ways to know to dip out
Aug 19th 2020
18
      YEP.
Aug 19th 2020
28
           Yeah i hear you
Aug 20th 2020
29
                Ha I've been wondering this myself.
Aug 20th 2020
33
                     part of it's just people belonging or feeling they're part of a movement
Aug 20th 2020
34
they just want to be in a group that's chasing somebody
Aug 19th 2020
21
Mole children. Covid. NYC. 2020. Kinda, yea.
Aug 19th 2020
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The funny/sad part about the "DO YOUR RESEARCH!" lectures
Aug 19th 2020
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oh god. I don't have the patience for that and I generally have lots
Aug 19th 2020
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These are the videos I'm referring to in my post above lol.
Aug 19th 2020
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I think you're off on the survivor bit
Aug 19th 2020
20
yup, all this.
Aug 20th 2020
35
UGH....
Aug 20th 2020
31
I think that description applies to too many other people.
Aug 20th 2020
36
moreover, FUCK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE.
Aug 19th 2020
25
I'm laughing but only because this is exactly what's happening ...
Aug 19th 2020
27
you know how you know they're fake as shit
Aug 20th 2020
30
Don’t know enough about them. But fuck em all
Aug 20th 2020
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there’s some really good info in this post...
Aug 21st 2020
37
RNC speaker Mendoza removed after peddling QAnon theories
Aug 26th 2020
38
GOP now has 15 (and counting) Q-linked candidates on Nov. ballot
Sep 06th 2020
39
Facebook bans QAnon across all its platforms (Axios)
Oct 06th 2020
40

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1. "dems should make her the republican aoc."
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one of the things repubs instinctively do is take the most 'extreme' liberals/dems and paint them as the embodiment of the entire group.

but repubs have real extreme folks among them and dems dont really capitalize.

trump called her a future party star (even tho repubs tried to publicly distance themselves from her while not losing the base that supports her). dems should hold him/her to that and show the american people where the republican party is headed.

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3. "Exactly. Dems need to weaponize this madness to their benefit"
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Trump this very moment is peddling the "Biden and Harris are radical lefties" non-sense (even though he invested in Harris as a candidate lol) - but by all objective standards this administration is the most extremist, radical regime imaginable - but the Dems don't capitalize on that politically.

They should be jumping on this immediately and calling it out.

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2. "Still better than Joe Biden!!!!!"
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"I have a very passive & general knowledge of how "Q" became a thing"


  

          

First off, these people are nuttier than a fruitcake.

Second, have any of the things that "Q" predicted come to pass?

Is the QAnon group the source of most of the crazy conspiracy theories that are floating around (Pizzagate and the false flags at Sandy Hook, the Deep State conspiracy, etc.)? Or do they have their own separate stuff?

I just saw someone on Facebook screaming that Kamala isn't eligible to be president and that this was a conspiracy for leftists to continue getting adrenachrome. This was the 1st I had heard of the adrenachrome thing and I looked it up. Again, these people are crazy.

  

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5. "An entire world collapsing conspiracy ..."
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An entire world collapsing conspiracy because white people at large don’t have any idea how basic they are.

“Nobody talks about pizza that much it HAS the mean something subversive” meanwhile the discourse around tacos, donuts, bacon, ipas, and sour beers for the last decade says otherwise.


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7. "See here's the thing:"
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>Second, have any of the things that "Q" predicted come to pass?

See, that's the thing: when things don't happen (like Obama or HRC or George Soros getting arrested), they'll say that it really did happen and the government is just keeping it secret for now with to plans to reveal everything at a later date.

> Is the QAnon group the source of most of the crazy conspiracy
>theories that are floating around (Pizzagate and the false
>flags at Sandy Hook, the Deep State conspiracy, etc.)? Or do
>they have their own separate stuff?

The QAnon and Deep State stuff is related. Sort of Pizzagate too. But it seems like QAnon took Pizzagate and ran with it to even nuttier extremes.

From my limited knowledge of it, most of the "mythology" seems built around a throwaway line Drumf said during a meaningless photo op back in '17/'18. He was doing some pointless free-association yammering (like he always does) and some bozo from 4Chan ran with it and started this whole stupid movement.

I recommend listening to the June 7, 2018 episode of the "Reply All" podcast. They breakdown in about half an hour the basics of it and where things stood as about two years ago.

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8. "Two years ago NBCNews basically exposed the whole thing"
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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531

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11. "so"
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"Is the QAnon group the source of most of the crazy conspiracy theories that are floating around (Pizzagate and the false flags at Sandy Hook, the Deep State conspiracy, etc.)? Or do they have their own separate stuff?"

there are a lot of Q groups.

and the thing that makes it go, is that it pretty much lets you attach whatever conspiracy theory you want to it.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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22. "if you have knowledge of Q then you know..."
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how fucking mind bending it is

that the same place that birthed Q is the same place that birthed the hacktivist group Anonymous which has done interesting shit through the years like direct involvement with Occupy Wallstreet, leaking personal info of 1000 klan members, taking an interest in nationally recognized shootings of unarmed black men

BUT - this is also the same Anonymous that caped hard for Julian Assange who now may or may not assisted Trump n' Russia with the whole election business in 2016 (I'm not sure what to think about Assange, I don't know if hes a baddie or a good guy because I'm ignorant)

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4. "Sorry. Double post n/m"
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6. "Dissolve the Constitution!"
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QAnon may be crazy, dangerous nonsense but it instrumentalizes a sentiment that isn't crazy at all:

The rich and powerful people who govern this country, every single one of them, would harm us and our families in the cruelest way possible out of as little as sheer whimsy. It's usually money, but whimsy is also a factor. The liberal institutions that were built to support the stability of all Americans have now been re-directed to protect the wealthy and to bind the poor.

There is no durable solution to this problem as long as we're guided by a constitution that elevates the bourgeoisie and tethers us to serve them. The United States depends on that structure for its existence, and so there is no form where it can continue to exist and still serve people in a way that will heal people's faith in liberal institutions. This was broken way before Trump, but he shined a light on it and so he gets to be its avatar. In any event, it doesn't matter who's fault it is now that it's done. You don't just defeat fascists in elections, something a bit more thorough is needed to address the issue.

In addition to being crazy, I think QAnon is such an impotent answer to this problem because even though it's politics are fascist, its aims are really kind of tepid and liberal. Thinking that prominent Democratic politicians are running an enormous, pretty public child abuse/murder/trafficking ring is pretty standard conspiracy theory stuff. Thinking that the charisma and will of Donald Trump (with some help from, uh, JFK Jr.) is going to fix it by brazenly arresting these prominent and influential figures is the genuinely weird part. And the end they're pursuing is just the restoration of trust in American institutions. No empire that lasts a thousand years or a grand new title for Trump. Just the justice system arresting the correct bad guys. Incredibly lame. They can't even do fascism properly.

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10. "Facts: "
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>The rich and powerful people who govern this country, every
>single one of them, would harm us and our families in the
>cruelest way possible out of as little as sheer whimsy. It's
>usually money, but whimsy is also a factor. The liberal
>institutions that were built to support the stability of all
>Americans have now been re-directed to protect the wealthy and
>to bind the poor.

Quite a fair assessment here of the degradation and overhaul of our institutional integrity in favor of an oligarchic power grab and consolidation at the top. Really should be clear as day at this point.

Re: QAnon. I think it's a brilliant psy-ops that is exploiting the empathy (and ignorance) of a large swath of the public. You pull them in with the human trafficking stimuli and paint this narrative that Trump is the Knight in shining armor coming to save the day (even though the facts show us that Trump has done even less than previous administrations to combat human trafficking). But to Q - Trump is "undercover" - which is why he was on Epstein island cavorting with Epstein/Maxwell for decades. And there's no convincing them otherwise (even though there's zero facts to substantiate the outlandish claims).

Trump is many things - but dumb ain't one of them. He (and his campaign arm) understand the American psyche and know how to exploit America's most vulnerable/gullible and in some instances outright racist population segments -- and there's a lot more of those Americans than many previously surmised.


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9. "Right winger Laura Loomer who claims Dems want to usher in Sharia"
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just won a primary in FL - with Roger Stone in tow:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200818/right-wing-laura-loomer-with-roger-stone-in-tow-wins-house-primary

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12. "This is the scary part"
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Isn't she banned from like everything? Like she can't even order Ubereats or Doordash?


I feel like they're already ramping up in case their clueless leader doesn't win again. It feels like the Tea Party play and how that was the first crack in letting these nutballs in.


I mean what happens after Joe if he wins? What's the strategy? Who does the left or progressives push as the next person to lead? That's the question I always had if Bernie would've won? What happens after Bern, to stop these QAnon, Alt-Right, and just terrible repubs from running rampant.

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13. "Imagine this, the former head of the intelligence committee "
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Devin Nunes is a qanon

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14. "Oh, I'm elbow deep in Q shit. I fucking hate these people. "
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I've said it before but I think...I THINK there is some psychological shit at play among the zillion other layers for the reasons why people get into Q.


Essentially, I am willing to bet a crisp hundo that

IF

you were to make a venn diagram

with q supporters on one side

and

adult survivors of childhood trauma, adult children, sexual abuse and trauma survivors, those from fractured families, those suffering from abandonment issues

I theorize...the overlap would be significant.


They have such a crazy deep obsession with saving children from general exploitation and sexual abuse that it's a theme that is mirrored in what seems like everything they talk about. Trump - come save the country from marxist globalist elites from being exploited.

All of it is rooted in a position of viewing the self as being helpless prey for institutions to pull one over on everybody - which is hella ironic since Q and conservatism go hand in hand and a major conservative tenet is a deep believe in those almighty bootstraps.









I do get it - at a core level of one of many reasons why it spread. The world is becoming complicated. The operation of the world can now only be explained by abstract concepts and levers so we have to trust experts to explain the world to us - it takes more work to think for yourself, answers are not always easily obtainable, you can't just go to yourself for the answer so what do you do? You just end up trusting nothing and being suspicious of everything and everyone.

Black people being upset about inequality in American life, protesting, creating BLM is not a cut and dry, cause and effect equation.

To the modern mistrustful skeptic, this cause and effect equation does not fit their framing. No. To them, BLM is instead an unnaturally "movement" "created" to disrupt American life, destroy the American nuclear family and kill white people.




I was really laughing at these people too until I found out a church popped up where they combine Q teaching and christianity. That shit...there is too much synergy there to think of it as benign.












UGH.

I don't think we were ready for the internet. I blame our money brains for not being ready for this. This has all been like giving a type a personality a gigantic bag of crack and a pipe and saying "You know what to do. Turbo mode"



E: ALSO, fuck these fools, I've run into Q folk, flat earther types and they never come off with the researched facts. They will always say "nah bruh, you sleeping, you gotta do your research. LOOK IT UP MAN"

like...that's not how you get people into things Robert.

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15. "Man. Word for fucking word I'm having this exact argument with someone."
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>E: ALSO, fuck these fools, I've run into Q folk, flat earther
>types and they never come off with the researched facts. They
>will always say "nah bruh, you sleeping, you gotta do your
>research. LOOK IT UP MAN"
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>like...that's not how you get people into things Robert.

Like to a T, he's saying those exact words. "Gotta do your own research that's the point" and all that bullshit. But he hasn't done his, so why would I continue watching these videos ? There's zero evidence behind any of it. I recognize this bullshit for what it is because I used to watch these types of videos all the time in college. It's compelling and exciting, but it's smoke and mirrors most of the time.

This dude's arguments on behalf of these videos are so fucking juvenile and intellectually lazy. I can't stand it. Arguing with a toddler. This person then gets upset that I'm "forming an opinion about qanon without all the facts" because I refuse to spend any more time with these horseshit videos than I already have (I watched the first just so I'd have some frame of reference). Mind you this same dude had some really strong opinions about BLM before he'd ever even visited their website or spoken to a single black person about BLM or their causes.

But facts don't exist to these dumb pieces of shit. Yet and still, they're so defiant about their "opinions" despite the fact that they're based on not a shred of supporting evidence, ever.

Oh, and this same dude also says all that tired shit about "nuclear families" and "individual choices" and all that type of doggshit that you referenced. Gawwwwwwwwd I'm getting heated just talking about this.


>I don't think we were ready for the internet. I blame our
>money brains for not being ready for this. This has all been
>like giving a type a personality a gigantic bag of crack and a
>pipe and saying "You know what to do. Turbo mode"

Yea I'm listening to a semi-corny but also really illuminating podcast called "The Last Archive," a recent episode of which talked about Congressional hearings about building a "data warehouse" that took place in the 60s. These hearings came at a time when the internet was in its absolute infancy, and when conspiracy theories were at an all time high for obvious reasons. Anyway there was one dude (his name escapes me but I wrote it down while listening) kept warning that Congress should enact some privacy laws to prepare for the inevitable. And, partly because they were ignorant about what all of this technology meant, partly because of the centuries-old conservative fearmongering bullshit about "big government," Congress did nothing.

Then the host played clips from the Facebook/Zuckerberg hearings about THIS EXACT SAME THING from 2018, when it was too damn late and when all our personal data had long been in the hands of every major corporation on the planet who wanted it.

That episode was so frustrating to listen to, but shouldn't have been. Because it's so typical of the US. We really are a shithole country.

Anyway the podcast has a lot of really great episodes, I recommend it.

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16. "Do you think it's actually about children for these people though?"
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i'm not knee deep like you but the few people I know who share this Q stuff are just right wingers who have gone further off the deep end ever since 2008, and further since Trump.

I see the save the kids thing is something they can use as a noble cause to hide their hatred and cult like ways behind.

I know one girl who shares this stuff who I know for a fact is an abuse survivor, but she's been down with any kind of anti-obama pro-trump thing you can think of. Now it's a lot of "Why won't the MSM talk about all the pedophiles?!!" but it's not like i've seen anybody who isn't already far right or horseshoe left entertain this kind of thing.

>will always say "nah bruh, you sleeping, you gotta do your
>research. LOOK IT UP MAN"

I was just talking about this recently. how i never see actual smart people say "do your research". It's always the dumbest people I know

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17. "LOL yep."
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>I was just talking about this recently. how i never see actual
>smart people say "do your research". It's always the dumbest
>people I know

Same. Smart people can give some evidence to support things they say and theories/ideologies they have.

Dumb people say "do your research" or, like, "there's a lot of people who would disagree with that" rather than providing anything of substance.

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18. "it's one of the quickest ways to know to dip out"
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you don't hear actual researchers or scientists say that stupid shit. but your boy who just watched 4 youtube videos on Bill Gates and 5G is quick to tell you to wake up you fucking sheep.

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28. "YEP."
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For sure. But I also feel some sense of responsibility for him cuz I've been close friends with him for almost 25 years at this point. So as badly as I'd like to just cease the conversations altogether, on the other hand I feel like it's my duty to try and set him straight.

What makes it all the more frustrating is that two other kids we grew up with have been part of these interventionist conversations to try and save him before he collapses into totally detached racism and insanity. To almost no avail thus far sadly.


>RE: it's one of the quickest ways to know to dip out
>you don't hear actual researchers or scientists say that
>stupid shit. but your boy who just watched 4 youtube videos on
>Bill Gates and 5G is quick to tell you to wake up you fucking
>sheep.

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29. "Yeah i hear you"
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do you think convincing him is even possible? You're the one that knows him so i'm not gonna pretend I have the answer to that.
My friend's kid's mom is literally a flat earther, and she was your run of the mill democrat a few years ago. She voted for Obama twice. She got with some far right dude about 5 years ago and now she's all gun carrying pro-Trump and thinks Obama's going to hell (I'm not even sure her reason). She's always been an easily influenced dunce though. There are probably a couple more left leaning people I know who would be right wing given a change of environment.

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33. "Ha I've been wondering this myself."
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>do you think convincing him is even possible? You're the one
>that knows him so i'm not gonna pretend I have the answer to
>that.

Two things about that: (1) if he can be so easily convinced of all the bullshit in this string of qanon videos, I have to assume (hope) that the switch can be flipped back off, too. But maybe I'm underestimating the power of these conspiracies. In fact I pretty clearly am I suppose, considering how far we've fallen in four years as a country, and how many otherwise good people I know who have inexplicably supported this fool and so quickly jumped on board this conspiracy train.

(2) He's a really good person, or at least has been for the time I've known him. So perhaps I'm naive or biased, but I think/hope this is just a glitch in an otherwise good person's life. But I'm also really concerned that he's too far gone, because the country as a whole is seemingly too far gone on so many levels. And considering the fact that we've very patiently tried to bring him back to reality, and he still hasn't budged ... maybe it's hopeless.

All that is to say - I'm not entirely sure hah. But I hope so.


>My friend's kid's mom is literally a flat earther, and she
>was your run of the mill democrat a few years ago. She voted
>for Obama twice. She got with some far right dude about 5
>years ago and now she's all gun carrying pro-Trump and thinks
>Obama's going to hell (I'm not even sure her reason). She's
>always been an easily influenced dunce though. There are
>probably a couple more left leaning people I know who would be
>right wing given a change of environment.

Goddamn that's crazy. And I know a lot of people who, like your friend's kid's mom, voted for Obama twice and are now borderline right wing extremists or at least Trump supporters. Mindblowing.

I hope there's research being done on these types of people in real time. In other words I hope that someday we get *some* explanation for this left/moderate-to-right-wing-extremist wave we've seen with so many people since 2016. Because it doesn't make any logical sense.

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34. "part of it's just people belonging or feeling they're part of a movement"
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>I hope there's research being done on these types of people in
>real time. In other words I hope that someday we get *some*
>explanation for this left/moderate-to-right-wing-extremist
>wave we've seen with so many people since 2016. Because it
>doesn't make any logical sense.

Obama in 08 felt like something special and there seems to be two types of former Obama supporters. The much larger one of course make up a lot of the bro wing of Bernie's base and have convinced themselves that Obama duped them by running as the fox news version of Obama instead of the center/left guy he always openly was. The Obama to Trump ones are more all over the place in their reasoning. Some are easily influenced, and yes many are lying, but I know the girl i referenced legit supported Obama. But it seems it took another "movement". Trump and Bernie embodied that but you didn't see anyone flock from Obama to Romney.

Q, Tea Party, people who follow Jordan Peterson around, people with pepe the frog avatars, they feel like they belong to something and i gotta believe that's a big part of it. This just reminded me I need to peep the recent Frontline on conspiracy theories.

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21. "they just want to be in a group that's chasing somebody"
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that's the consistent personality trait.


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23. "Mole children. Covid. NYC. 2020. Kinda, yea. "
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when this was a story that came and went, I thought to myself, "self, these Q people are not to be fucked with"

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-children-rescued-tunnels/fact-check-35000-malnourished-and-caged-children-were-not-recently-rescued-from-tunnels-by-us-military-idUSKBN23M2EL


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19. "The funny/sad part about the "DO YOUR RESEARCH!" lectures"
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is that the "research" always consists of unhinged media like "Fall of Cabal" on YouTube.

It's never actual research lol.

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24. "oh god. I don't have the patience for that and I generally have lots"
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I can read through controversial reddit threads or gab or that new reddit like place for trump fans for a while

I can't do a full on youtube video, my head would explode

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26. "These are the videos I'm referring to in my post above lol."
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I watched one and, because I have a functioning human brain, laughed at this man for taking even a single second of this bullshit seriously.

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20. "I think you're off on the survivor bit"
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there are certainly abused people among them because abused people are everywhere

but abuse victims aren't generally looking for the shadowy cabal.

they know that they know their abusers

these are people whos experience with that stuff is mostly hearing about it on tv and telling themselves that they'd definitely know a perv when they see one

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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35. "yup, all this. "
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>there are certainly abused people among them because abused
>people are everywhere
>
>but abuse victims aren't generally looking for the shadowy
>cabal.
>
>they know that they know their abusers
>
>these are people whos experience with that stuff is mostly
>hearing about it on tv and telling themselves that they'd
>definitely know a perv when they see one

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31. "UGH...."
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>
>I don't think we were ready for the internet. I blame our
>money brains for not being ready for this. This has all been
>like giving a type a personality a gigantic bag of crack and a
>pipe and saying "You know what to do. Turbo mode"
>
>
Facts, we saw money and ran with it.. privacy is all over the place.. holes everywhere.. security is all over the place..
we making money tho...


>
>E: ALSO, fuck these fools, I've run into Q folk, flat earther
>types and they never come off with the researched facts. They
>will always say "nah bruh, you sleeping, you gotta do your
>research. LOOK IT UP MAN"
>
>like...that's not how you get people into things Robert.
>
>

yeah that gets us no where..

  

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36. "I think that description applies to too many other people."
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>I've said it before but I think...I THINK there is some
>psychological shit at play among the zillion other layers for
>the reasons why people get into Q.
>
>
>Essentially, I am willing to bet a crisp hundo that
>
>IF
>
>you were to make a venn diagram
>
>with q supporters on one side
>
>and
>
>adult survivors of childhood trauma, adult children, sexual
>abuse and trauma survivors, those from fractured families,
>those suffering from abandonment issues
>
>I theorize...the overlap would be significant.

I think you're correct, however that description would overlap with any number of other groups of people. To that end, I don't think this is all that significant a factor.

I think a more telling overlap would be in people who believe in flat earth, Mandela effect, and other ridiculous and easily debunked tinfoil theories... up to and including pizzagate and wayfair.

That said, I think there are more significant factors at play:

First, they already support Trump, which is in and of itself a leap in logic. They already support him, and as such are prone to believe all kinds of outlandish shit, like the notion that we'd build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. So it's a theory that paints their guy as a superhero.

To that end, Q paints him as a genius superhero, but takes it a step further, because not only is he a hero, he's a hero taking down the lowest of the low: child predators.

And that's the second most important factor, I think. I think there's a natural barrier to that theory, in that the one thing the vast majority of people can agree to hate with ardent fervor is a pedophile.

Thing is, that's not a discussion most people can have with a measure of nuance, and it's the lowest hanging fruit imaginable. Who doesn't hate a pedophile? It's the easiest of low hanging pickings. So it's easy to be on the right side of that.

So they get to view their guy as a genius who saves children from pedophiles- and anyone who doesn't buy into it MUST be a pedophile or a sympathizer.

>They have such a crazy deep obsession with saving children
>from general exploitation and sexual abuse that it's a theme
>that is mirrored in what seems like everything they talk
>about.

I somewhat disagree. From what I've seen, they aren't *actually* obsessed with saving children at all. As far as I can tell, the bulk of these people have simply made this their social media "thing", but it's really just that, just their little niche of social media where they can appear to be taking a stand for a serious, largely non-controversial cause that is unlikely to be met with much challenge.

I think a lot of it is rooted in fantastical thinking, personally. I think people like the idea that, not only are they living in a real-life sci-fi/political thriller, but they're the hero. They're all Woody Harrelson's character in 2012, the ones everyone else sees as a crackpot in the beginning, but all the while, they're the ones with open eyes, the ones who know this secret truth to which all others have been blinded.

I think Q is a veritable perfect storm of factors. All in all I think the element of being a survivor of childhood trauma would rank relatively low on the scale of significance though.

  

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25. "moreover, FUCK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE. "
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ugh, I kept thinking about this more and more

you know what pinches my nut purse about these people?



They willingly swallow out-there-way-way-the-fuck-out-there truths with only a whiff of connective information


Yet

Yet Yet YET


institutional racism, racism, implicit bias, history of racism in the US, microagressions, generational wealth, inequality. crystal clear ass footage of us getting gunned-the-fuck-down, redlining, the southern strategy, quotas, blockbusting...

you know, actual fucking conspiracies?

These fools will run over hot coals to put on a blonde wig and do their best Dolores Abernathy impression to state "“It Doesn't Look Like Anything To Me”

NIGGA IF YOU DON'T STOP BULLSHITTING AND LOOK AT THE REAL REAL IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES...




America, eat your gotddamn peas.

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27. "I'm laughing but only because this is exactly what's happening ..."
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... in the conversations I've been having with this dude I mentioned in my response to you above. Literally exactly this.

It's mindblowing !! Fucking mindblowing. And infuriating. Pointing out his very clear and very obvious hypocrisy only makes him more defensive somehow. I can't get my mind around any of this. It dominates my thoughts. I've tried every strategy I can think of. Nothing works.

Literally after spending months trying to calmly explain systemic racism/police brutality/white supremacy/etc. to him, with MOUNTAINS of historical evidence, context, data, podcasts, documentaries, books, theses, articles, etc. (and all he's provided thus far has been like 3 thinkpieces "this sums up how I feel," a couple cherrypicked data points about "violent crime" and "fatherless homes," and one report he hadn't even read yet), this motherfucker had the nerve the other day to tell me that all I've given him has only served to "reinforce {his} beliefs."

It made my blood boil which is what these kind of people thrive on I guess.


>RE: moreover, FUCK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE.
>ugh, I kept thinking about this more and more
>
>you know what pinches my nut purse about these people?
>
>
>
>They willingly swallow out-there-way-way-the-fuck-out-there
>truths with only a whiff of connective information
>
>
>Yet
>
>Yet Yet YET
>
>
>institutional racism, racism, implicit bias, history of racism
>in the US, microagressions, generational wealth, inequality.
>crystal clear ass footage of us getting gunned-the-fuck-down,
>redlining, the southern strategy, quotas, blockbusting...
>
>you know, actual fucking conspiracies?
>
>These fools will run over hot coals to put on a blonde wig and
>do their best Dolores Abernathy impression to state "“It
>Doesn't Look Like Anything To Me”
>
>NIGGA IF YOU DON'T STOP BULLSHITTING AND LOOK AT THE REAL REAL
>IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES...
>
>
>
>
>America, eat your gotddamn peas.

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30. "you know how you know they're fake as shit"
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Mark Foley and Dennis Hastert

NEVER COMES UP in their conspiracies

they never ask about it.



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32. "Don’t know enough about them. But fuck em all "
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In both ears.

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37. "there’s some really good info in this post..."
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I wasn’t aware, thank you

  

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38. "RNC speaker Mendoza removed after peddling QAnon theories"
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/rnc-speaker-boosts-qanon-conspiracy-theory-about-jewish-plot-to-enslave-the-world-1

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39. "GOP now has 15 (and counting) Q-linked candidates on Nov. ballot"
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40. "Facebook bans QAnon across all its platforms (Axios)"
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https://www.axios.com/facebook-bans-qanon-b63b5554-a84d-4dbf-947f-6320b4b5d7ae.html

Facebook announced on Tuesday it would ban all accounts, pages and groups representing the fringe conspiracy theory QAnon from its platforms.

Why it matters: Facebook previously banned or restricted hundreds of groups, pages and Instagram accounts that "demonstrated significant risks to public safety" due to their ties to QAnon, but the latest update goes even further — removing all accounts "even if they contain no violent content."

Context: QAnon is a sprawling, far-right conspiracy theory that falsely alleges a secret cabal of sex traffickers and pedophiles is waging a war against President Trump from inside the government. Trump has previously praised the group, which the FBI has deemed a potential domestic terrorist threat, saying that he understands its supporters "like me very much" and that they "love America."

The big picture: The move comes as Facebook, long accused of bending over backward to accommodate the right, looks to take action against harmful rhetoric coming from conservative groups and figures. Just this morning, Facebook took swifter action than Twitter against a post from President Trump falsely claiming COVID-19 is less deadly than the flu.

Yes, but: Facebook has its work cut out for it with the hard ban. QAnon supporters have already gotten canny about dodging enforcement actions from social media platforms, and the movement is increasingly intermingling with more anodyne-seeming calls to protect children that may be hard to claw apart from the conspiracy theory.

What they're saying: "We’ve been vigilant in enforcing our policy and studying its impact on the platform but we’ve seen several issues that led to today’s update," Facebook said in a statement.

"For example, while we’ve removed QAnon content that celebrates and supports violence, we’ve seen other QAnon content tied to different forms of real world harm, including recent claims that the west coast wildfires were started by certain groups, which diverted attention of local officials from fighting the fires and protecting the public."

"Additionally, QAnon messaging changes very quickly and we see networks of supporters build an audience with one message and then quickly pivot to another. We aim to combat this more effectively with this update that strengthens and expands our enforcement against the conspiracy theory movement."

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