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ThaTruth
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"does anybody here watch I May Destroy You on HBO?"


  

          

crazy show its all over the place but its like watching a car wreck its hard to look away everybody on that show is all jacked up lol

  

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RE: does anybody here watch I May Destroy You on HBO?
Jul 21st 2020
1
there's a thread in PTP
Jul 21st 2020
2
I think its fantastic
Jul 21st 2020
3
Man this show gets crazier and crazier
Jul 27th 2020
4
Best show of 2020. Michela is a freaking genius.
Jul 27th 2020
5
I died when ol boy slid that passport under the door lol
Jul 27th 2020
6
      RE: OMG
Jul 27th 2020
7
I had to watch the ep. 8 opening monologue twice
Jul 28th 2020
8
masterfully written
Jul 29th 2020
11
this show is brilliant. so glad she fought for full control.
Jul 28th 2020
9
I mean, what's the right message to take from the show?
Jul 29th 2020
10
      RE: I mean, what's the right message to take from the show?
Jul 29th 2020
12
      the finale already happened in the UK.
Jul 29th 2020
15
           nah i'll wait. i enjoy having the week to marinate
Jul 29th 2020
16
                valid
Jul 29th 2020
23
      he definitely raped her what the fuck are you talking about?
Jul 29th 2020
13
      I don't even think Michaela Coel thinks that Zain definitely raped her.
Jul 29th 2020
17
           I won't call you names. But I don't take your opinion seriously
Jul 29th 2020
18
           But you are the one assuming what Coel thought.
Jul 29th 2020
22
                b/c removing a condom without someone knowing is a form of rape...
Jul 30th 2020
28
           let me cut through your bs right quick, wife or no wife
Jul 29th 2020
19
                Rape is rape . That's profound.
Jul 29th 2020
21
                     not sure if you were snarking but whatever LOL
Jul 29th 2020
24
                     how could Arabella see him take it off
Jul 29th 2020
25
                     I think each scenario the show has posited has been
Jul 30th 2020
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      You should look into her interviews.
Jul 29th 2020
14
           wait, what?
Jul 30th 2020
30
                Would you?
Jul 31st 2020
36
i finished it a couple of weeks ago
Jul 29th 2020
20
I told y'all about these dudes on here
Jul 29th 2020
26
word
Jul 30th 2020
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      RE: word
Jul 30th 2020
31
           i'm amazed that you think i'd click any link you post LOL
Jul 30th 2020
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                RE: i'm amazed that you think i'd click any link you post LOL
Jul 31st 2020
45
not for everyone
Jul 30th 2020
33
This is how I felt about Euphoria. I didn’t even finish episode one
Jul 30th 2020
34
Turn on the subtitles.
Jul 30th 2020
35
nothing is for everyone, though
Jul 31st 2020
39
Legit curious here...is this a comedy? satire? "Dark" comedy? I keep see...
Jul 31st 2020
37
NO!
Jul 31st 2020
38
Thanks...am I misinterpreting it being presented as a comedy??
Jul 31st 2020
40
      more like a dramedy
Jul 31st 2020
41
           Dark dramedy
Jul 31st 2020
42
                dark, quirky dra"medy".
Jul 31st 2020
44
It is drama. There are some funny moments though...when they were
Jul 31st 2020
43
tonight’s episode was deep
Aug 03rd 2020
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that moment when she turned her words on herself...like wow
Aug 03rd 2020
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1. "RE: does anybody here watch I May Destroy You on HBO?"
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2. "there's a thread in PTP"
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3. "I think its fantastic"
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4. "Man this show gets crazier and crazier "
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5. "Best show of 2020. Michela is a freaking genius."
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I was just complaining about black TV/Film not trying to challenge their audiences anymore and then along coms this show.

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6. "I died when ol boy slid that passport under the door lol"
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7. "RE: OMG"
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8. "I had to watch the ep. 8 opening monologue twice"
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I didn't particularly love the way it was delivered, but the message...oof

about the difficulty of putting language to gray boundaries. about being called crazy.

it brought to mind a lot of past shit


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11. "masterfully written"
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>I didn't particularly love the way it was delivered, but the
>message...oof

she's still struggling to make sense of being sexually assaulted twice...the delivery was perfect because she is still having these out of body experiences when talking in the group...its when she's the most viscerally close to what happened to her...Michaela is a master at this shit and it blows my mind
>
>about the difficulty of putting language to gray boundaries.
>about being called crazy.
>
>it brought to mind a lot of past shit

same here.

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9. "this show is brilliant. so glad she fought for full control."
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i hope people take away the right message from it.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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10. "I mean, what's the right message to take from the show?"
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She devles deeply into complex issues of sex and consent but not clear where she lands on them other than these are complex issues...which is a good enough message in itself.

I want to let this post breath and people to weigh in on the brilliance of the show before it deteriorates when we start discussing issues like, did Zain actually rape her?


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12. "RE: I mean, what's the right message to take from the show?"
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>She devles deeply into complex issues of sex and consent but
>not clear where she lands on them other than these are complex
>issues...which is a good enough message in itself.

this is true...plus the show isn't over. we can't yet say for sure where "she" lands (especially since i don't know if you're talking about Michaela Coel or Arabella), so yeah..

>I want to let this post breath and people to weigh in on the
>brilliance of the show before it deteriorates when we start
>discussing issues like, did Zain actually rape her?

um, there's nothing to discuss there tho. and nobody even asked that question in this post or any other i saw on this board so why you even put that bs into the ether?

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15. "the finale already happened in the UK."
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If you're impatient like me and dont mind being a pirate i recommend diving in.

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16. "nah i'll wait. i enjoy having the week to marinate"
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23. "valid"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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13. "he definitely raped her what the fuck are you talking about?"
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17. "I don't even think Michaela Coel thinks that Zain definitely raped her. "
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She definitely didn't present it as such in the show.

The character certainly didn't walk from the encounter thinking she had been raped.

And even from the scene itself, it wasn't clear that Zain was lying about not knowing that she wasn't aware that he had taken the condom off. He didn't hide the fact that he removed it (if he were trying to deceive her, there was no reason he told her what happened when he did).

She seemed annoyed by the incident but it didn't stop her from dating him. And it wasn't anything he did that made her change her mind about the incident. It was based on something she heard about online. There was no indication or confirmation that what she had read about online was what Zain actually did but of course this would have a huge impact on someone who was already suffering the Trauma of rape.

She discusses it with a police officer who says yes its rape in this jurisdiction, but wouldn't be rape in other jurisdictions.

She didn't confront him or discuss it with him instead she got the confirmation she needed from a nebulous conversation with another woman who could be interpreted as saying anything from he gets around to he is a rapist.

Then the episode ends (or is it the next) with the comfort of the online likes.

And the next episode has the story of a woman leading a rape support group, who happens to have falsely accused a black kid of rape (and Arabella knows it).


There is definitely a way to tell the story in a very straight forward way where there is no doubt that Zain had raped Arabella.

In fact, she shows it with Kwame and the episode shows a clear contrast between how Kwame was treated as a black gay man and her accusation.

but Coel painstakingly crafts a story that avoids such black and white storytelling.

I mean I guess this is the part where you tell me I'm this horrible misogynist but for what its worth my wife watched the episode and felt sorry for Zain having been publically confronted like he was.




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18. "I won't call you names. But I don't take your opinion seriously"
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You can't assume what Michaela thought. It doesn't really matter what your wife thought in this context because she's not posting, you are.

If anything this show makes it clear that rape isn't black or white....I'm also speaking as someone who has seen the entire series. But...I'm done here. Hope you enjoy the rest of the show.

  

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22. "But you are the one assuming what Coel thought. "
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My point is it's unclear/ambiguous, not black or white what the filmmaker thought.

You start off by saying it was "definitely rape" and then end off saying its not "black or white"?

How do those two points go together?


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28. "b/c removing a condom without someone knowing is a form of rape..."
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why is that hard to understand?

  

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19. "let me cut through your bs right quick, wife or no wife"
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the actions depicted in the series is rape.

Zain removed his condom without getting her consent. him telling her afterward doesn't change what he did

rape is still rape even when the rapist is sorry or cute or sympathetic or honest about the rape

its still rape

rape is rape whether one jurisidiction says it is or another doesn't

rape is still rape even when the victim is unsure, or keeps dating the person, or presses charges or doesn't press charges

rape is still rape even if your wife watched the scene and felt sorry for him getting called out

rape is rape.

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21. "Rape is rape . That's profound. "
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The less complicated answer is if Zain had reasonably thought she saw him or had consented to him removing his condom then it would not be rape.

What's interesting to me is that the show is doing the exact opposite of presenting the idea that "rape is rape" and is instead presenting many different scenarios with complex issues around sex and consent.

Another example would be did Kwame violate the white girl by not letting her know that he was gay when it was clearly something she would not have consented to doing if she had known. Did she have a right to know that?

Again, something I am sure you have a simple POV on but I don't think the show presented it that easily.




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24. "not sure if you were snarking but whatever LOL"
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>The less complicated answer is if Zain had reasonably thought
>she saw him or had consented to him removing his condom then
>it would not be rape.
>
>What's interesting to me is that the show is doing the exact
>opposite of presenting the idea that "rape is rape" and is
>instead presenting many different scenarios with complex
>issues around sex and consent.

Yes, but don't get it twisted...her storytelling is magnificent and nuanced but i think what you're missing is the impact of the frame of reference... i'm assuming you know Michaela was drugged and raped during her time writing season 2 of Chewing Gum? she's giving us a glimpse into the confusion, self-doubt and self-loathing she experienced...so everything you're seeing should really be interpreted from that lens

that's all i'm saying. you're coming off like you're looking for outs in real life... you seem a bit too excited about these grey areas. and that's offputting to me.

>Another example would be did Kwame violate the white girl by
>not letting her know that he was gay when it was clearly
>something she would not have consented to doing if she had
>known. Did she have a right to know that?

No and no. that's like saying a married man violated me cuz he didn't tell me he had a wife before we fucked LOL no. he lied..he didn't violate her..so not the same thing dude, come on

yikes.

>Again, something I am sure you have a simple POV on but I
>don't think the show presented it that easily.
>

but to me, the show presents these things very clearly. if you're looking to be comforted by grey areas, then that's what you're going to find.

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25. "how could Arabella see him take it off"
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when she was turned around and facing away from him?

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29. "I think each scenario the show has posited has been "
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sexual assault and/or rape (yes, Kwame too). The show is moreso challenging the narrative that perpetrators can't also be sympathetic protagonists. Or, that it's important that we scrub away how much we like or are rootng for or identify with someone (or disklike their victim - like with the two white girls, or Biagio) when assessing whether they did something wrong. There's really not much or anything murky or complex about the assaults themselves.

  

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14. "You should look into her interviews."
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these are complex
>issues...which is a good enough message in itself.

No it isnt. "This is complex" means nothing.


People should take away from the series that there's no such thing as a perfect victim and thinking someone needs to be blameless or even likable to be sympathized with is dangerous

that relationships/trauma/victimhood/life is not linear. we're not existing in a novel where the arcs are clean and coherent, so practicing discernment and patience is vital.

Sexual violence, like all things, exists on a spectrum; and often people rely on "Grey areas" to absolve abusers and do nothing for victims


(Spoiler alert for the finale) There's no perfect ending after someone is harmed, because the impact doesnt go away. Thinking with a communal lens (not leaving your very drugged and drunk friend in a club) will prevent the harm being done in the first place.



I think she strategically left certain themes open for interpretation because you get more resistance when your stance is explicit (i highly doubt TheTruth would enjoy this show if she went the on-the-nose route like Dear White People)

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30. "wait, what?"
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>I think she strategically left certain themes open for
>interpretation because you get more resistance when your
>stance is explicit (i highly doubt TheTruth would enjoy this
>show if she went the on-the-nose route like Dear White
>People)

  

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36. "Would you?"
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20. "i finished it a couple of weeks ago"
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Best show I've seen all year. I read that Coel wrote 191 drafts of the show. It shows.

  

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26. "I told y'all about these dudes on here"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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27. "word"
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31. "RE: word"
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32. "i'm amazed that you think i'd click any link you post LOL"
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45. "RE: i'm amazed that you think i'd click any link you post LOL"
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33. "not for everyone"
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34. "This is how I felt about Euphoria. I didn’t even finish episode one"
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35. "Turn on the subtitles."
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Damali
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39. "nothing is for everyone, though"
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>I'm trying to hang in there.

why?

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37. "Legit curious here...is this a comedy? satire? "Dark" comedy? I keep see..."
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it as a recommended watch on my algorithm...but haven't been able to bring ourselves to watch it. The way the description is framed....just don't seem like something that could be "enjoyable" to watch....which is fine....some stuff isn't supposed to be "enjoyable".... but when it's presented as a comedy...I just get kinda confused at how the base subject matter is going to be presented in a comedic fashion.....




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38. "NO!"
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not a comedy. And not a "fun" watch, but a very well done show, which tries its best to tackle the subject from many angles.

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40. "Thanks...am I misinterpreting it being presented as a comedy?? "
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
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luminous
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41. "more like a dramedy"
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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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42. "Dark dramedy"
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44. "dark, quirky dra"medy"."
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43. "It is drama. There are some funny moments though...when they were"
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high in Italy. It is drama. And it is enjoyable.

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46. "tonight’s episode was deep"
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47. "that moment when she turned her words on herself...like wow"
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brilliant fucking writing and self examination...shit

i'm not writing another word of my shit until i finish this series...this is inspiring me to write the most unfiltered, realest unbridled shit

i love her so much

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