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rdhull
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"Poll question: Is all of this going to lead to civil war?"


  

          

Is all of this the antecedents to a civil war? Jobs gone, people needing supplies, needing food/money. This disease being politicized etc. It's like a realistic world war z. We are just in the beginnings of whatever is going to happen and it doesn't look like the future is looking to positive....

Poll result (34 votes)
Yes: this how it begins, jobs loss, hunger, illness mixed w/politics (11 votes)Vote
No: chill tf out. Not even close, just par for the course... (23 votes)Vote

  

  

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Genocide would be more likely.
Apr 21st 2020
1
RE: Genocide would be more likely.
Apr 21st 2020
2
Sure they would. Against Democrats and the most vulnerable
Apr 21st 2020
4
      Negrodamus
Jan 09th 2021
74
REF: Seeing as how the federal government, militia movement, police unio...
Jun 24th 2020
56
      Seattle’s police chief says two city officers were apparently in Washi...
Jan 09th 2021
75
I was already decided on a civil war with the upcoming election
Apr 21st 2020
3
I thunk the election result is the jump off
Apr 21st 2020
5
Naw it’s just gonna prevent progress tho
Apr 21st 2020
6
that's business as usual
Apr 21st 2020
9
Rural White America is way to fat and lazy for a civil war..
Apr 21st 2020
7
They wouldnt be the only ones involved
Apr 21st 2020
8
RE: Rural White America is way to fat and lazy for a civil war..
Apr 21st 2020
11
We aren’t meeting up at Gettysburg in 2020
Apr 21st 2020
13
      they'd need to get off the couch and put down the doritios...
Apr 21st 2020
16
damn it, should have added a 'maybe' choice
Apr 21st 2020
10
I think things will get really tense after trump loses.
Apr 21st 2020
12
I think the divide is pretty wide right now.
Apr 21st 2020
14
huh? I think I was trying to say white folks in militia gear vs poor fol...
Apr 21st 2020
17
      An AK47 runs anywhere from 500-1000 and that's without ammo
Apr 21st 2020
21
Civil war can be in any era in any country for any reason
Apr 21st 2020
15
      People hear civil war and immediately think of the last one
Apr 21st 2020
18
           evidently lol
Apr 21st 2020
19
                dupe
Apr 21st 2020
20
still voting no?
May 31st 2020
still voting no?
May 31st 2020
22
I kinda called it.
May 31st 2020
23
yep
Jun 01st 2020
26
No, Cause The Majority Of The People Are Basically Holiday Warriors
May 31st 2020
24
DMZ the comic series looking realer every day..
Jun 01st 2020
25
we need to stop saying this
Jun 01st 2020
27
i've actually considered revisiting it
Jun 01st 2020
28
RE: we need to stop saying this
Jun 01st 2020
39
No fucking way
Jun 01st 2020
29
lead to? no. we're in it now.
Jun 01st 2020
30
RE: lead to? no. we're in it now.
Jun 01st 2020
40
I think yall are throwing me with the term "Civil War"
Jun 01st 2020
31
Now a sitting President declaring war on protesters and using the milita...
Jun 02nd 2020
45
The 'It Could Happen Here' podcast breaks this question down
Jun 01st 2020
32
so yeah I had no idea about the 'boogaloo bois'
Jun 01st 2020
33
They Have Already Arrested A Few Of Them In My Town
Jun 04th 2020
52
Trump just announced he would deploy the American military on the people
Jun 01st 2020
34
Trump got military police to clear out the streets for a photo op
Jun 01st 2020
35
It wasn't as straight forward as that....at all...news is hyping shit WA...
Jun 02nd 2020
43
      Fam
Jun 02nd 2020
51
           Hate when my subject line gets cut off.....
Jun 05th 2020
53
hillary warned us in 2016.
Jun 01st 2020
36
so weird there's no stickied George Floyd Protests thread here
Jun 01st 2020
37
very
Oct 02nd 2020
63
remember all of the concern trolling and brake pumping by the media?
Jun 01st 2020
38
You mean war hasn't been waged on Blk folks for the last 400 years?
Jun 02nd 2020
41
i watched a cnn reporter and an msnbc reporter break down into tears
Jun 02nd 2020
42
Can someone tell them if it's been sitting out since March
Jun 02nd 2020
44
antifa_us twitter profile doxxed as belonging to Identity Evropa
Jun 02nd 2020
46
Flip the framing. We're already IN war.
Jun 02nd 2020
47
then vote 'yes'
Jun 02nd 2020
48
it already started. bcz the minute these rednecks shoot one protester
Jun 02nd 2020
49
AP reporter says over 2000 soldiers at Andrews and Fort Belvoir bases
Jun 02nd 2020
50
Add in revolutionary war on top of that.
Jun 05th 2020
54
the saddest part is there's a war going on and most citizens are unaware...
Jun 05th 2020
55
They can run but they can't hide forever?
Jun 24th 2020
57
Soo that would be the "New Confederacy" (MAGA) vs the US (military)
Jun 24th 2020
58
RE: Soo that would be the "New Confederacy" (MAGA) vs the US (military)
Jun 24th 2020
59
      ok..soo a few active soldiers will switch sides.
Jun 24th 2020
60
           k.
Jun 24th 2020
61
           .
Jan 06th 2021
71
                LOL. LAbeat thinks Mueller locked Trump up 2 years ago.
Jan 06th 2021
72
this voter suppression bullshit..Nov 3 is going to be
Oct 01st 2020
62
Nope - just lots and lots and lots of domestic terrorism
Oct 02nd 2020
64
*Strolls through post*
Jan 06th 2021
65
.
Jan 06th 2021
66
post 54
Jan 06th 2021
67
If the dems don't come in with a bitch of a jobs plan, healthcare,
Jan 06th 2021
68
lol
Jan 06th 2021
69
Civil War been happening.
Jan 06th 2021
70
They’re coming back for the 19th
Jan 08th 2021
73
RE: They’re coming back for the 19th
Jan 09th 2021
76
They’re going to fuck up the MLK monument.
Jan 09th 2021
77

MEAT
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1. "Genocide would be more likely."
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Tue Apr-21-20 09:54 AM by MEAT

  

          

Seeing as how the federal government, militia movement, police unions and the generally the most armed folks are aligned in values.

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2. "RE: Genocide would be more likely."
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>Seeing as how the federal government, militia movement,
>police unions and the generally the most armed folks are
>aligned in values.


you don't think ppl will rise up on that before, during, or if it happened? I mean ppl fighting for benefits, food, rights, life already in small amounts....the economy shutting down is effecting all the bands Morris

  

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4. "Sure they would. Against Democrats and the most vulnerable"
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A majority of the same proletariat that rise would rise up also lives in a bubble of talk radio and Fox News.

Additionally any media coverage of growing unrest for normal people would get drowned out (occupy wallstreet), while armed angry white people would be covered way larger than they are (literally any milita movement) which is a very useful public opinion shaping tool.

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74. "Negrodamus"
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56. "REF: Seeing as how the federal government, militia movement, police unio..."
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Seeing as how the federal government, militia movement, police unions and the generally the most armed folks are aligned in values.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg8g87/the-us-military-has-a-boogaloo-problem

The U.S. military appears to have a brewing boogaloo problem. Active-duty military are flocking to online networks frequented by the anti-government movement, known for its meme culture and Hawaiian shirt-clad adherents, who are often called Boogaloo Bois.

“Boogaloo” is code for civil war, which is the ultimate goal of the movement, and some of its followers trade in memes glorifying violence against federal agents and crack jokes about the impending “Boog.” Recently they’ve become regular fixtures at anti-lockdown and Black Lives Matter protests in states that allow open-carry of military-style firearms.

An analysis of some of the largest private Facebook groups catering to the boogaloo movement found that scores of members self-identified as active-duty military on their personal profiles. Members spanned an array of branches, including the Marine Corps, Army, Navy, and Air Force, and a range of positions, from infantryman, to mechanic, to army bus driver, to medic, to “amphibious assault crewman.”

Some of the most active online boogaloo communities are on Discord, a platform popular among gamers. There, members have been discussing ways to co-opt protests against racism and police brutality to advance their own agenda. And current or former military have chimed in with their expertise, from the best gas masks to military-grade firearms, according to screenshots provided to VICE News.

“I was not particularly surprised to see current and former military members involved in boogaloo groups online,” said Megan Squire, a professor of computer science at Elon University who tracks how extremist groups operate online. “The question for me right now is whether military men are attracted into online groups or whether they are forming groups themselves. Which direction is the influence going?”

One member of the Discord who claimed to be a member of the National Guard even discussed his upcoming deployment to Philadelphia in response to the protests.

Another joked that he was torn between informing his commanding officer about conversations taking place on the boogaloo server and divulging military information to his fellow Boogaloo Bois.
Meanwhile, there’s growing concern among intelligence officials about the public-safety risk posed by the boogaloo movement. In late May, the Department of Homeland Security warned law enforcement around the country that “anarchist and militia extremists” could try to exploit the protests against police brutality with the goal of sparking the “boogaloo,” Politico reported.

In early June, the FBI arrested three “Boogaloo Bois” — an army reservist, a Navy veteran, and an Air Force veteran — for allegedly planning to throw explosives into a Black Lives Matter protest in Las Vegas to sow confusion and chaos.

On June 15, authorities issued an intelligence assessment warning that “violent adherents of the boogaloo ideology” could target Washington D.C. due to the “significant presence of U.S. law enforcement entities.”

The following day, federal prosecutors announced charges against Air Force Staff Sgt. Steve Carrillo for a deadly ambush on federal security officers outside a courthouse in Oakland, California.

Carrillo, who was already in custody for allegedly killing a sheriff’s deputy, allegedly had ties to the Boogaloo movement. Investigators said they found explosives, firearms, and a tactical vest with a boogaloo patch on it inside his van. They said he’d also used his own blood to scrawl slogans associated with the boogaloo movement, including “BOOG,” on the hood of the white van.

Prosecutors say that Carrillo sought to exploit the pain and suffering driving the protests against police brutality to advance the goals of the boogaloo movement.


“Go to the riots and support our own cause,” Carrillo allegedly wrote on Facebook the day of the ambush on the federal officer. “Use their anger to fuel our fire. Think outside the box. We have mobs of angry people to use to our advantage.”

It’s hard to square the violent anti-government aspirations of the boogaloo with the oath of induction taken by military personnel to protect the U.S. and enemies “foreign and domestic.” But the involvement of service members in anti-government extremist movements is nothing new, said Kathleen Belew, Assistant Professor of History at the University of Chicago and author of ‘Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America.’

Active-duty service members or veterans have the potential to “dramatically escalate the impact of fringe activism, pass on explosives expertise, urban warfare expertise,” said Belew, which is why extremist groups have long-sought to radicalize and recruit those individuals.

“This is not a problem we should take lightly,” said Belew.

While the percentage of active-duty military and veterans who fall into extremist movements is very small compared to the community as a whole, the combination of military expertise and radical ideology can be dangerous.

“When say they want to bring about a civil war, a lot of people laugh that off because it seems like the kind of thing that would never happen,” said Belew. “But people with those ideas have killed people. They’ve bombed people. They’ve killed scores if not hundreds of bystanders. So we have to take this seriously.”

For example, the Oklahoma City bomber who killed 168 people in 1995 was a Gulf War veteran who, like the Boogaloo Bois, was seeking revenge against the federal government for the 1993 Waco siege.

More recently, the military has grappled with hardcore “accelerationist” neo-Nazis infiltrating their ranks. This week, an American soldier was arrested for allegedly colluding with a satanic neo-Nazi group in a plot to bomb his own unit. Last year, another soldier was arrested for allegedly sharing bomb-making materials online in neo-Nazi forums and plotting to blow up a major news network.

And yet, Belew says that the military has repeatedly failed to weed out extremist ideas from its own ranks, and that Pentagon policy has consistently lagged behind the problem.


“The Department of Defense is aware of the boogaloo movement,” spokesman Lt. Col Uriah Orland told VICE News in an email.

Under Department of Defense policy, military personnel are not allowed to “actively advocate” or “actively participate” in supremacist, extremist or criminal gang doctrine, ideology, or causes.

Examples of “active participation” can include fundraising, rallying, recruiting, training, organizing, distributing material (including online), wearing “gang colors or clothing,” or otherwise engaging in activities that advance the goals of gangs or organizations that are “detrimental to good order, or mission accomplishment or are incompatible with military service.”

As for whether the Pentagon is concerned about possible radicalization of service members, Orland said that they’re “concerned with any behavior that is contrary to the professional standards expected of all service members and DoD employees.”

The boogaloo movement poses a unique challenge to the military.

For starters: it isn’t a formal group. Rather, it’s an ideological umbrella that’s pulled in a range of identities, from hardline libertarians, anti-government extremists, online shitposters, and some white nationalists. This has made it difficult to quantify and to track. On one end of the spectrum, you have teens making memes about civil war on TikTok; on the other, there are potentially dangerous extremists getting radicalized by those same memes.

A range of commitment is a common feature of extremist movements especially when there’s a “fashion” aspect that draws people in. For example, in the 1920’s, the Ku Klux Klan was able to attract women to its ranks through its robes which were considered “fashion-forward” at the time and the prospect of belonging to a membership club. The rise of the militia movement in the 1980’s was associated with camouflage fatigues. Members of the Proud Boys are easily identifiable by their Fred Perry shirts. White nationalist groups like Identity Evropa (since rebranded to “American Identity Movement”) made white polo shirts and khakis their uniform.

This reminds Belew of the Hawaiian shirts that have become a staple of the boogaloo movement.

“What we have to listen to is the intent of the activism, and assume even though there will be casual and peripheral members who maybe aren’t committed to violence, there is a dedicated core carrying out a range of violent attacks across the country,” she said. “And it’s a coordinated attack on both democracy and protesters.”


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75. "Seattle’s police chief says two city officers were apparently in Washi..."
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1347881800140513281

Seattle’s police chief says two city officers were apparently in Washington, D.C., Wednesday when a violent mob of President Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol and that an investigation will be launched to find out whether they committed criminal acts.

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3. "I was already decided on a civil war with the upcoming election"
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Tue Apr-21-20 10:17 AM by bentagain

  

          

I'm a yes.

I do believe in the notion that Trumpster; win, lose or draw, is not leaving the white house in 2021

The pandemic just makes it easier for him to claim the election was rigged if he loses

But now, today...how would that work?

I've been home for over a month

Run up and get done up...they want to come into my building, that's easy pickings

Yes, I've already strategized how to defend my fort

...only these MAGA ass hats are gathering outdoors with guns and their racist flags...

Who they gonna get their civil war on with?

I still feel like it's gonna pop off in Nov, when we're back outdoors in larger numbers.

This dumb shit that his minions are doing now, I actually think will stop on its own as they start to contract the virus from these demonstrations

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5. "I thunk the election result is the jump off"
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God knows what's going to happen

Its already spoke of 45 dismembering the post office to reduce mail in voting to secure a win in the election etc

if these thugs happen god knows what people will do..if either side wins the election

all with a pandemic in place, a ruined economy, folks out of work and getting poorer each month etc

seems like a perfect storm




>I'm a yes.
>
>I do believe in the notion that Trumpster; win, lose or draw,
>is not leaving the white house in 2021
>
>The pandemic just makes it easier for him to claim the
>election was rigged if he loses
>
>But now, today...how would that work?
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>I've been home for over a month
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>Run up and get done up...they want to come into my building,
>that's easy pickings
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>Yes, I've already strategized how to defend my fort
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>...only these MAGA ass hats are gathering outdoors with guns
>and their racist flags...
>
>Who they gonna get their civil war on with?
>
>I still feel like it's gonna pop off in Nov, when we're back
>outdoors in larger numbers.
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>This dumb shit that his minions are doing now, I actually
>think will stop on its own as they start to contract the virus
>from these demonstrations

  

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6. "Naw it’s just gonna prevent progress tho"
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9. "that's business as usual"
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7. "Rural White America is way to fat and lazy for a civil war.."
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...maybe some terrorist attacks like they're already known for. ..Civil war? Nah



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8. "They wouldnt be the only ones involved"
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>...maybe some terrorist attacks like they're already known
>for. ..Civil war? Nah
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11. "RE: Rural White America is way to fat and lazy for a civil war.."
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That’s a huge underestimation.

2 things they have that would allow them to battle are weapons and a population, and you compound that with the hate they have for minorities and for democrats, you can’t put anything past that. Even to this day Rural white America ( including the south) hold strong to their extreme racist ways.

The colonies rose up against the mighty British, and the south battled against the north. America is a very unique country, and there is no other country like it, which is why socialism, as much as I like it, will never work here. The right to property as well as the ownership of one’s self will always inhibit our nation in some way, because everyone has his own interpretation of it.

Of all the former British colonies, America morphed into something unusual. If you look at former British colonies, their ways are somewhat similar to the ways of the British. The influence never dissipated. However , America, nothing carried over, nothing resembles. The politics, accents, and culture all got stripped. We’re just this huge pot of individuality, with principles of free enterprise and capitalism, so people are never on the same page. So everyone has this superior mentality or complex on how things should be and how they should live.

Federal government is not on the same page. States are not on the same page. People are not on the same page. Sexual consent law are different in every state. Gun laws aren’t different in every state, etc, etc...The same thing will apply with covid 19...states and people are going to have their own rules on it.

So there will be unrest, which could lead to civil war.




  

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13. "We aren’t meeting up at Gettysburg in 2020"
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I feel like your post was made while watching Glory

It’s machine guns and 4x4’s not marching and setting up camp before shooting it out in some open field.

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16. "they'd need to get off the couch and put down the doritios..."
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...i also think they underestimate the number of liberals who have firearms ..maybe you're right though

  

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10. "damn it, should have added a 'maybe' choice"
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12. "I think things will get really tense after trump loses. "
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There will be some talk of him not leaving. he will play it up because he will love the attention. Dems will do something stupid like Pardon him for all his actions in office. And things will return to somewhat normal politically with more frequent but still occasional white nationalist terrorist acts.

I think the talk of an upcoming civil war sort of forgets how fucked up and divisive Slavery was and the impact it had on this country and I don't think we are anywhere near as bad as those times were.


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14. "I think the divide is pretty wide right now. "
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White fired in full camo gear with machine guns.

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17. "huh? I think I was trying to say white folks in militia gear vs poor fol..."
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21. "An AK47 runs anywhere from 500-1000 and that's without ammo"
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That every day regular degular folks have them in sizeable numbers should tell folks all they need to know what a civil war in 2020 would look like.

Vegas shooter took out at least 59 people by himself and only stopped because he killed himself.

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15. "Civil war can be in any era in any country for any reason"
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Talking about one doesn’t mean disrespect of slavery? Fuck kind of take is that? And also, I’m not talking about civil war between country ‘necks militia types vs everyone else but whomever is going to end up taking arms, or rioting, or getting fed up with shit. This means the poor or the disenfranchised ( which today means a lot of the middle class) or whomever is feeling or going to feel the crunk of bullshit that’s happening and seemingly on the way.




>There will be some talk of him not leaving. he will play it
>up because he will love the attention. Dems will do something
>stupid like Pardon him for all his actions in office. And
>things will return to somewhat normal politically with more
>frequent but still occasional white nationalist terrorist
>acts.
>
>I think the talk of an upcoming civil war sort of forgets how
>fucked up and divisive Slavery was and the impact it had on
>this country and I don't think we are anywhere near as bad as
>those times were.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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18. "People hear civil war and immediately think of the last one"
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but that shit was a long time ago.

Civil war now wouldn’t have north vs south.

It would be racist POS white radicals vs sympathizers and brown people.

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19. "evidently lol"
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20. "dupe"
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>
>
>>but that shit was a long time ago.
>>
>>Civil war now wouldn’t have north vs south.
>>
>>It would be racist POS white radicals vs sympathizers and
>>brown people.
>

  

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"still voting no?"


  

          

  

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22. "still voting no?"
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23. "I kinda called it. "
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26. "yep"
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right now there’s just nothing to distract folks from this. Full visibility

Let sports start back, folks start going back to work, America begins to reinstitute “normal” and events pick back up and this weekend’s wave will die down unfortunately.

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24. "No, Cause The Majority Of The People Are Basically Holiday Warriors"
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I call 'em "holiday warriors" cause they ain't even committed enough to be weekend warriors for justice or change, majority of these people just out there cause it's something to do and an excuse to go outside and interact with people when covid-19 had people doing the social distancing thing for three to four months.

As soon as the summer ends, they will be on to the next popular thing, the next media hype, the next thing social media wants them to be outraged about; unless another video of a cop or a racist killing a black person pops up, which there is no shortage of cause it happens often but somehow we (as in black people) pick and choose which ones to get mad about and which ones to ignore.


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25. "DMZ the comic series looking realer every day.."
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People haven't fought back... YET. When it happens none of the shills or mascots can stop what comes. When all this bs happens to white people that's when things go left....

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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27. "we need to stop saying this"
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i get why you posted the question. Actually appreciate it cuz we all need a place to vent this shit out


but nah fam. We are not there yet. And I've spent essentially my Sunday afternoon on r/publicfreakout and twitter searching various cities



I will say though. Listening to that Second civil war podcast is a scary supplement to whats going on right now. What he says about increasing clashes between the parties is true. Started off small in places like Portland. Now we see it in every city

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28. "i've actually considered revisiting it"
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i remember the takeaway being the conditions were already right for one. i can imagine that being stuck at home for the past couple months has only amplified the situation.

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39. "RE: we need to stop saying this"
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>i get why you posted the question. Actually appreciate it cuz
>we all need a place to vent this shit out
>
>
>but nah fam. We are not there yet. And I've spent essentially
>my Sunday afternoon on r/publicfreakout and twitter searching
>various cities
>
>
>
>I will say though. Listening to that Second civil war podcast
>is a scary supplement to whats going on right now. What he
>says about increasing clashes between the parties is true.
>Started off small in places like Portland. Now we see it in
>every city

sounds like you want to say yes, but won't

  

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29. "No fucking way"
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Too ugly to contemplate like WW3. Not just the prevalence of guns on both sides and lack of centralization and all that, but there's too much information for anything remotely not looking like a massacre. What kind of chaos can sustain without burning the whole place down when people start doxxing relatives locations? Livestreaming somebody executing grandmothers and kids to provoke and incite will not end without taking everything. We could easily reach unheard of levels of ignorance here.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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30. "lead to? no. we're in it now."
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modern warfare is not always 'troops on the ground'...its bits of that, its disinformation, its disenfranchisement, its so many things all at once

alot of y'all have a really narrow view of what a 'civil war' is which is why you're missing what's in plain sight.

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40. "RE: lead to? no. we're in it now."
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>modern warfare is not always 'troops on the ground'...its
>bits of that, its disinformation, its disenfranchisement, its
>so many things all at once
>
>alot of y'all have a really narrow view of what a 'civil war'
>is which is why you're missing what's in plain sight.
>
>d

yeah cause thats what is meant..we are gonna go fight on some battle ground with tanks and cannons...

  

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31. "I think yall are throwing me with the term "Civil War""
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When I think Civil War, I am thinking comparable forces in a armed fight for control of the government. I think it takes a lot to get to that point and it's got to be about a huge issue. I don't think we are anywhere close to that.

I do think we are going into a period where there will be attempted insurrections, domestic terrorist attacks and guerilla warfare.

The closest we could get to Civil War would be Trump losing, declaring the election illegitimate and announcing that he will not step down and telling people to take up arms on his behalf. How much of the US Military & Police do you think would join him? 5%? 10%? I doubt it. Could Trump get 1M people take up arms and fight for him? I doubt and even if he could that is not nearly enough people to start a Civil War in a nation of 300M people.

Given our size, form of government, federalism, military, we are nowhere close to what it would take to start a civil war.

Again, I don't think that it means that it is all good. I expect that this country will produce Timothy McVeigh types at x1000 the rate it was in the 1990s. There will be Oklahoma City Bombings on the regular once their is a Dem President again. It will suck, but I still don't think that equals a Civil War.

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45. "Now a sitting President declaring war on protesters and using the milita..."
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against the wishes of governors, could be a civil war if the governors fought back I guess.

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32. "The 'It Could Happen Here' podcast breaks this question down "
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https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it-could-happen-here-30717896/

HIGHLY recommended.

The big takeaway for me was that liberals and progressives SHOULD get involved with gun culture since guns seem to be tied to deeply with conservative identify they are the majority pushback when it comes to common sense gun laws - getting involved changes the math and it shifts the dialog so it's not just clueless politicians suggesting gun reform or laws that have shit else to do with the actual reality of gun ownership

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33. "so yeah I had no idea about the 'boogaloo bois'"
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reading up on agitators and interlopers in Brooklyn this weekend

I am just now hearing about the so-called Boogaloo Bois

They refer to a second civil war they that jokingly refer to as Boogaloo, Big Igloo, or Big Luau

A lot of them wear hawaiian shirts and they even apparently have their own flag.

I mean there were pictures of literal Nazis at the Barclays center, who's to say what other nefarious groups are watching the civil unrest and hoping it becomes something much worse, probably even provoking it themselves

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/

https://www.google.com/search?q=big+luau+flag&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjA4-m2w-HpAhXSZTUKHfjWDLcQ_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=2144&bih=1006

  

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52. "They Have Already Arrested A Few Of Them In My Town"
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The name is wild if not weird if you ask me, the wearing of Hawaiian clothing, really?

I live in columbia, south carolina, and during the protest, the police have been reviewing videos and etc. and been tracking the appearances of these guys in the protests since last Thursday and the damage they have been causing or starting.


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34. "Trump just announced he would deploy the American military on the people"
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35. "Trump got military police to clear out the streets for a photo op"
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One of the most bizarre things I've seen in a bizarre era.

People were peacefully protesting. But he wanted the back drop to seem chaotic as he gave his "law and order" speech in the Rose Garden. So he sent the police to mount up and throw smoke bombs to clear out the streets of peacefulness.

After the speech dude went across the street to the church, and posed holding a Bible. Then the rest of his posse came in like they were posing for wedding pics.

They brought out military police and attacked peaceful protestors to do a cheesy photo op

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43. "It wasn't as straight forward as that....at all...news is hyping shit WA..."
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...
Local police forces from surrounding jurisdictions were asked to assist with "crowd control"... I don't think it was just military... It was Secret Service, National Park Police and Arlington County Police Department (and maybe Metropolitan Police)....

Arlington County Police Department was mislead as to what they were being called in to assist with and are now pretty pissed off... They withdrew their personnel and issued a statement to us (county residents)....

He's really pissing off the wrong people now...

  

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51. "Fam"
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https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1267877098141683714


NEW: Attorney General Bill Barr releases statement on protests in Washington, D.C., saying, "there will be even greater law enforcement resources and support in the region tonight."

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53. "Hate when my subject line gets cut off....."
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The point I was making is that what happened then wasn't exactly correct at what the media reported and THOUGHT initially...it was local police forces from across state lines ( and some no name forces) that were pretty much tricked into coming out to "assist"...only to find out it was some bullshit...
The overarching point being, it's crazy scary how strong this dudes influence is that he can get blind response from whomever and whenever he wants it.
Def. wasn't defending....FTR...lol...

  

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36. "hillary warned us in 2016."
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but emails or something.

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37. "so weird there's no stickied George Floyd Protests thread here "
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I guess I'm not surprised based on the demographics of the site and how the conversations have been trending over the past couple of months but still...

  

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63. "very"
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38. "remember all of the concern trolling and brake pumping by the media?"
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https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1011664117881626629

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41. "You mean war hasn't been waged on Blk folks for the last 400 years?"
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42. "i watched a cnn reporter and an msnbc reporter break down into tears"
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over the same looted macys in ny.

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44. "Can someone tell them if it's been sitting out since March"
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that it's from last season anyway?

  

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46. "antifa_us twitter profile doxxed as belonging to Identity Evropa"
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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456

  

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47. "Flip the framing. We're already IN war. "
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I'll keep it short, but, to the question of "What is it going to take to get WW3 started?" I've been thinking to/asking myself, "how do we know we're not already at war?"

same question here, how do we know we're not already in a civil war? If the only idea of war is going to a field and shooting at each other then it's hard to allow for other ways of thinking about the problem.

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48. "then vote 'yes'"
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>I'll keep it short, but, to the question of "What is it going
>to take to get WW3 started?" I've been thinking to/asking
>myself, "how do we know we're not already at war?"
>
>same question here, how do we know we're not already in a
>civil war? If the only idea of war is going to a field and
>shooting at each other then it's hard to allow for other ways
>of thinking about the problem.
>
>

  

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49. "it already started. bcz the minute these rednecks shoot one protester"
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they gon think its green light on all of us. they already got white boy "vigilante" groups roaming neighborhoods like its 1938 or some shit. do you think they are going to ask for your protester ID? yall be careful out here and strap up if its legal in your area. I aint trying to scare nobody but Im old as shit and aint never seen no shit as wild as this shit. Not even selling crack in the hood. Yall be careful PLEASE.

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50. "AP reporter says over 2000 soldiers at Andrews and Fort Belvoir bases"
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(DC area) ready to be mobilize within hours - in riot gear, armed, and even issued *bayonets* (!!!).. multiple vets replying to the thread that they were not even issued bayonets in iraq:

https://twitter.com/JimLaPorta/status/1267926498629074947


jfc

  

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54. "Add in revolutionary war on top of that."
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It's clear folks don't pay attention to history.

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55. "the saddest part is there's a war going on and most citizens are unaware..."
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57. "They can run but they can't hide forever?"
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58. "Soo that would be the "New Confederacy" (MAGA) vs the US (military)"
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What am I missing here? Trump has picked his side. Is our military supposed to follow when the shooting starts? I need a few answers.

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59. "RE: Soo that would be the "New Confederacy" (MAGA) vs the US (military)"
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg8g87/the-us-military-has-a-boogaloo-problem

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60. "ok..soo a few active soldiers will switch sides."
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they can get smoked by drone activity as well...i'm talking about the entire US military. We'd only need a few active weapons to kills a few rednecks and whatever else boogaloo stragglers that wanna tag along.
Fun times.

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61. "k."
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71. "."
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72. "LOL. LAbeat thinks Mueller locked Trump up 2 years ago."
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Pay him no motherfucking mind, ever.

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62. "this voter suppression bullshit..Nov 3 is going to be"
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>Is all of this the antecedents to a civil war? Jobs gone,
>people needing supplies, needing food/money. This disease
>being politicized etc. It's like a realistic world war z. We
>are just in the beginnings of whatever is going to happen and
>it doesn't look like the future is looking to positive....

  

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64. "Nope - just lots and lots and lots of domestic terrorism"
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I don't know if civil war is possible in the current world

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65. "*Strolls through post*"
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https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1346916757026516992


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66. "."
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67. "post 54"
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I'm convinced yall are some lost souls.

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68. "If the dems don't come in with a bitch of a jobs plan, healthcare, "
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housing, and controlling the police..?
Yeah.
Cuz the next wave of Republicans are going to be much smarter than Trump.
And they will lean into this people, heavily.

  

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69. "lol"
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aka f*cked

  

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70. "Civil War been happening. "
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73. "They’re coming back for the 19th"
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I don’t have a link or anything corroborating. Just saying

DC gonna be on lockdown

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76. "RE: They’re coming back for the 19th"
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>I don’t have a link or anything corroborating. Just saying
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>DC gonna be on lockdown

When do they have to lock it down in order for it to be ‘safe’? The week before? 4 or 5 days to make it harder for someone on the outside to post up? And shit, what about the mfers on the inside who clearly can’t be trusted to keep they feet off of the couch?

  

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77. "They’re going to fuck up the MLK monument. "
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Or not allow access to it on his day.

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