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bentagain
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"#hillarysoprogressive"
Sat Feb-06-16 03:11 PM by bentagain

  

          

https://twitter.com/hashtag/hillarysoprogressive?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Ehashtag

She asked for an example of money influencing her policies so here ya' go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg&feature=youtu.be

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaUeDQSWAAARj4o.jpg

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RE: #hillarysoprogressive
Feb 06th 2016
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RE: The issue now is people like yourself
Feb 06th 2016
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RE: The issue now is people like yourself
Feb 06th 2016
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      if your party has a 50/50 chance of winning the presidency
Feb 06th 2016
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           RE: if your party has a 50/50 chance of winning the presidency
Feb 06th 2016
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                You present this like it's a proactive attack on her
Feb 06th 2016
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                RE: You present this like it's a proactive attack on her
Feb 06th 2016
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                     I'm not sure how to say this
Feb 06th 2016
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                     RE: I'm not sure how to say this
Feb 06th 2016
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                          are you a HRC staffer (on her payroll)?
Feb 06th 2016
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                               RE: are you a HRC staffer (on her payroll)?
Feb 06th 2016
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                               Being a Moderate Democrat is a thing
Feb 06th 2016
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                               DINO
Feb 06th 2016
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                                    RE: DINO
Feb 06th 2016
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                                         it wouldn't be a horrible thing if we had a realignment
Feb 06th 2016
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                                              RE: it wouldn't be a horrible thing if we had a realignment
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                   i neither understand what you mean by purity in this case
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                   RE: i neither understand what you mean by purity in this case
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        Fam you created DINO in this thread
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        RE: Fam you created DINO in this thread
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        Asking for a Progressive/Liberal version of RINO is fishing for DINO
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        RE: Asking for a Progressive/Liberal version of RINO is fishing for DINO
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        Because after the bailout people don't trust Big Banks
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        ^^^ found it ^^^ RE: Fam you created DINO in this thread...
Feb 10th 2016
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                                                        If you accept $151,00,000 from big banks you are NOT progressive
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        You can't take that money and say you'll fight for finance reform
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             and this is what Murph doesn't want to address
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             THE WHOLE PARTY WOULD FALL APART!!
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             i mean that's essentially the problem with hillary
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12946...
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             RE: and this is what Murph doesn't want to address
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             So get behind Bernie and let him handle it
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             RE: So get behind Bernie and let him handle it
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             hillary can't press the gun thing harder because it'd be a bad look.
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        i still don't think what you're talking about is a real thing
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             RE: i still don't think what you're talking about is a real thing
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                                  preferring bernie's ideas to hillary's
Feb 07th 2016
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                                                                  This race is not about ideas.
Feb 07th 2016
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                                                   If the party cannot get behind the people, it dooms itself
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        RE: If the party cannot get behind the people, it dooms itself
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             In Iowa it was 50/50
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                                  RE: In Iowa it was 50/50
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                                       WHOA WHOA... Let's not litmus test the progressivenss of states now!
Feb 07th 2016
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                               you're proving his point with comments like this
Feb 06th 2016
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                                    RE: you're proving his point with comments like this
Feb 06th 2016
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                                         Pretty sure she was trolling you
Feb 06th 2016
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                                              RE: Pretty sure she was trolling you
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                   the words that said she'd vote for HRC?
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                        RE: the words that said she'd vote for HRC?
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             BUT IT WOULDN'T DISQUALIFY THE CANDIDATE SHE'S UP AGAINST!!
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             RE: BUT IT WOULDN'T DISQUALIFY THE CANDIDATE SHE'S UP AGAINST!!
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             It means you can't be indignant about campaign finance reform
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                             RE: It means you can't be indignant about campaign finance reform
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/05/hillary-clinto...
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                                       RE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/05/hillary-cl...
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                                       I'm more worried about HRC's NEED to assert her progressiveness
Feb 07th 2016
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                                                             Super PAC != Goldman Sachs, Citibank and Merrill Lynch
Feb 06th 2016
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                                                                  RE: Super PAC != Goldman Sachs, Citibank and Merrill Lynch
Feb 11th 2016
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                     lol
Feb 06th 2016
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                i don't think i understand
Feb 06th 2016
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                     RE: i don't think i understand
Feb 06th 2016
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                          I don't think many people are making that argument
Feb 06th 2016
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                          RE: I don't think many people are making that argument
Feb 06th 2016
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                          I don't feel that that's the way the story is going....
Feb 06th 2016
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                          RE: I don't feel that that's the way the story is going....
Feb 06th 2016
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                               Bush and crew created from faked intelligence...
Feb 06th 2016
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                                    RE: Bush and crew created from faked intelligence...
Feb 06th 2016
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                          me neither
Feb 06th 2016
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                          Yikes.
Feb 06th 2016
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                               RE: Yikes.
Feb 06th 2016
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                               ALL OF THIS!!!
Feb 06th 2016
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                                    RE: ALL OF THIS!!!
Feb 11th 2016
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I'm not gonna pretend it's not about me.
Feb 06th 2016
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Another good article on this (swipe)
Feb 06th 2016
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Gloria Steinem says young women support Sanders cuz they're boy crazy
Feb 06th 2016
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i saw the end of that interview. her opinions were just weird
Feb 06th 2016
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There's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other. (c)
Feb 06th 2016
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This is it right here...
Feb 06th 2016
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      Justified fear.
Feb 06th 2016
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           About as justified as
Feb 06th 2016
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           So you actually think Bernie Sanders could win a general election?
Feb 07th 2016
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           It doesn't worry me. I heard the same statement throughout 2007-2008
Feb 06th 2016
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                except in these two, there are actual differences
Feb 06th 2016
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                     So now all of a sudden policy trumps racism?
Feb 06th 2016
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                          i'm saying 08 shouldn't be the precedent
Feb 06th 2016
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                               RE: i'm saying 08 shouldn't be the precedent
Feb 06th 2016
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LOL @ a 73-year-old man being a sex symbol.
Feb 06th 2016
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lol she wasn't talking about Bernie
Feb 06th 2016
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      Do you think Bernie's lack of support with women and minorities...
Feb 06th 2016
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      i really don't know what it is
Feb 06th 2016
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      One thing my SO pointed out.....
Feb 06th 2016
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           defintely
Feb 06th 2016
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           don't agree
Feb 06th 2016
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      Bernie has a lot of support of women
Feb 06th 2016
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      which is terrible
Feb 06th 2016
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      it really is. especially from her
Feb 06th 2016
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      Okay. I see.
Feb 06th 2016
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RE: Gloria Steinem says young women support Sanders cuz they're boy craz...
Feb 06th 2016
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      BTW this is worse than questioning progressiveness
Feb 06th 2016
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           RE: BTW this is worse than questioning progressiveness
Feb 06th 2016
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                RE:
Feb 06th 2016
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                     RE:
Feb 06th 2016
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wild hunnid
Feb 07th 2016
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RE: #hillarysoprogressive, her advisors and fundraisers lobbied against
Feb 08th 2016
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^^^ former DNC chair for VP
Jul 22nd 2016
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Murph you so full of yourself it's sad.
Jul 22nd 2016
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RE: Murph you so full of yourself it's sad.
Jul 23rd 2016
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But I'm voting for HRC in the general so now what???
Jul 23rd 2016
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RE: But I'm voting for HRC in the general so now what???
Jul 23rd 2016
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^^proudly supported drumpf's mexicans are rapists!
Jul 23rd 2016
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oh my god.
Jul 23rd 2016
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In defense of Murph, there seem to be only like 5 cats here who
Jul 23rd 2016
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i don't follow politics. it's around me. i'm not involved.
Jul 23rd 2016
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this is hilarious! the i attend parties so im political push back
Jul 23rd 2016
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don't claim to be "in" the circle when you're not even of it
Jul 23rd 2016
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      That's all bullshit Yo, It ain't that hard to know more about politics
Jul 23rd 2016
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      what's "worth" more?
Jul 23rd 2016
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           I don't know what this "in too deep" reference is about
Jul 23rd 2016
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      ^^^pulling himself up by his boy's bootstraps!
Jul 23rd 2016
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RE: Murph you so full of yourself it's sad.
Jul 23rd 2016
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      he wanted to show you that he attends parties
Jul 23rd 2016
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      RE: he wanted to show you that he attends parties
Jul 23rd 2016
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           i'm just saying get off your high horse
Jul 23rd 2016
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                RE: i'm just saying get off your high horse
Jul 23rd 2016
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                ^^^candidate for the stupidity olympics!
Jul 23rd 2016
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                RE: i'm just saying get off your high horse
Jul 23rd 2016
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                     oh he's just pulling himself up by his boy's bootstraps
Jul 23rd 2016
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      i guess i missinterpreted what she said
Jul 23rd 2016
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           RE: i guess i missinterpreted what she said
Jul 23rd 2016
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she got mad people fooled, lol
Jul 23rd 2016
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y would u want to take away Warrens power in the Senate?
Jul 23rd 2016
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      I'm a progressive (c) HRC
Jul 23rd 2016
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           facts are deflection?
Jul 23rd 2016
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RE: #hillarysoprogressive, she chose Ken Salazar to head her transition
Aug 19th 2016
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Hillary told the FBI Colin Powell advised her on email use
Aug 19th 2016
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      #hillarysoprogressive, she won't funnel foreign donations through the
Aug 19th 2016
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^^^ for #shepersisted
Feb 13th 2017
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RE: ^^^ for #shepersisted
Feb 13th 2017
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damn right she took her ball and went home
Feb 13th 2017
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^ yep this.
Feb 13th 2017
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http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k275/jwade11/crying_running.gif
Feb 13th 2017
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Basically.
Feb 13th 2017
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Bingo
Feb 14th 2017
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idiots = so called liberals who chose hrc over bernie
Feb 14th 2017
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y'all gotta decide, do you hate her and want her to move over
Feb 13th 2017
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Most people in here hate her for losing
Feb 13th 2017
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Sure. That's why you weren't at all mad at her before the election
Feb 13th 2017
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I disliked her before the election...
Feb 13th 2017
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      LOL
Feb 13th 2017
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Oh bullshit. The deep seeded hatred many of u have is WHY she
Feb 14th 2017
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      lmao... this is why she was a terrible candidate
Feb 14th 2017
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           you hating women isn't new bro.
Feb 14th 2017
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                you not hating women IS new bro.
Feb 15th 2017
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LOL, I never wanted anything to do with her.
Feb 13th 2017
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cool of you to pretend the thread you're posting in doesn't exist
Feb 13th 2017
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also "she was never about that life"
Feb 13th 2017
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      ^ stronger together
Feb 13th 2017
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           I know, you have no coherent thoughts
Feb 13th 2017
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                What are you doing?
Feb 14th 2017
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                     RE: What are you doing?
Feb 14th 2017
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                     Yup.
Feb 14th 2017
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                     where you fucked up first
Feb 14th 2017
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pretty much
Feb 14th 2017
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Don't just be mad at Hillary. Where is the DNC fire?
Feb 14th 2017
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      I think a viable 3rd party candidate will be a consequence of this
Feb 14th 2017
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           DWS getting fired and immediately hired by Hillary
Feb 14th 2017
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           That's a whole stream of alternative facts.
Feb 15th 2017
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           that's what stupid people usually think after elections
Feb 14th 2017
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                so I'm not a dumb motherfucker today, that's progress for you. Cheers
Feb 14th 2017
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Man I was so confused for like 2 minutes reading this post lol....
Feb 13th 2017
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Man, people hate her vagina so much
Feb 15th 2017
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      RE: Man, people hate her vagina so much
Feb 15th 2017
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      Yes. It's her vaginas fault. It was allergic to Wisconsin cheese
Feb 15th 2017
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      RE: Yes. It's her vaginas fault. It was allergic to Wisconsin cheese
Feb 15th 2017
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      white women bruh
Feb 15th 2017
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           RE: white women bruh
Feb 15th 2017
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                Nigga... lol. I told you that shit months ago
Feb 15th 2017
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                     RE: Nigga... lol. I told you that shit months ago
Feb 15th 2017
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                          lol... welcome back Clyde
Feb 15th 2017
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      She didn't visit WI because the data said that would be wasted time,
Feb 15th 2017
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           and that's the problem with HRC
Feb 16th 2017
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      LOL, ya'll doing a lot of typing. The question remains (c) where she at?
Feb 15th 2017
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           Huff post said she just burned Flynn with a tweet
Feb 15th 2017
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                Is using her gender as a plea cop for the L sexist?
Feb 16th 2017
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                     It's something else...
Feb 16th 2017
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murph71
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1. "RE: #hillarysoprogressive"
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That chick Hill Dawg so progressive that she voted along with Bernie 93 percent of the time when they were in the Senate together (true story)...

Like I said on the Huff Post....The Dems are headed to the flipped version of the Tea Party....Whether people vote for Bernie or Clinton (if either gets the nomination they will get my vote...Repugs should never see the Oval Office again given their batshit crazy ideology) is moot. The issue now is people like yourself drawing up a litmus test to what a Progressive is...

We saw what happened to the Republicans when the Tea Party forced them to go down that purity road......

Dems need to make sure they don't fall off that cliff....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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bentagain
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2. "RE: The issue now is people like yourself "
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Sat Feb-06-16 03:41 PM by bentagain

  

          

I didn't make the hashtag

and she's the one flying the I'm a progressive flag

being a woman =/= progressive.

not sure why you're coming at me, or falling back on historionics again

it's funny

and factual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbnKGopT0Uc

^^^ she thinks she's being smeared now, what do you think the repubs are gonna do to her?

BTW, I go a kick out of the #berniesoblack hashtag

you're taking this very personal

https://youtu.be/0qvpcfYFHcw?t=1m28s

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3. "RE: The issue now is people like yourself "
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Dog...Who said u made the Hashtag?...lol

Let's keep our eyes on the ball here...

1. I'm voting for whoever gets the Democratic nomination...Can u say the same?

2. My issue is not about whether or not u vote for Bernie or Clinton...It's our choice and right to vote for whoever we want here...

3. That meme is indicative of the direction the Dems r going...For years we had to put up with bullshit talk about how Obama was leading a Hippy Dippy Socialist party as the Repugs were being dragged down by a litmus purity test....We won the Presidency two times in a row because we were deemed the responsible party...We were deemed the party that didn't want to blow up the whole damn house while the other sides balked at any form of level headedness....

What I'm seeing now is an overreach...The same overreach that happened after W. Bush started winning elections but with a different party.....

Dem Bernie Bros. are hunting for fake Progressives....Again, I want to know how we are going to spell RINO for Democrats....?

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5. "if your party has a 50/50 chance of winning the presidency"
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and a 0 percent chance of winning the legislature and a 0 percent chance of making an impact in most states

perhaps responsibility/respectability politics is overrated?

  

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6. "RE: if your party has a 50/50 chance of winning the presidency"
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>and a 0 percent chance of winning the legislature and a 0
>percent chance of making an impact in most states
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>perhaps responsibility/respectability politics is overrated?


I SEE all this^^^

My worry is the flip side Tea Party Revolution....Respectability politics only applies to what folks OUTSIDE your party think of u....Repugs r always gonna gonna think Dems/Progressives are a bunch of Commie bastards...Fuck 'em...

My worry with this Bernie/Hill Dawg primary is folks turning this shit into a circular firing squad...Whenever a party begins to pull out a litmus test that slope B slippery...

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8. "You present this like it's a proactive attack on her"
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It's my understanding that this is a reaction to her own claims.

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11. "RE: You present this like it's a proactive attack on her"
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Sat Feb-06-16 07:03 PM by murph71

          

>It's my understanding that this is a reaction to her own
>claims.

Nah...we are venturing in some Conservative Tea Party territory here...It's as if the fact that Clinton voted on the same side of Bernie over 90 percent of the time while in the Senate doesn't matter.....

The one thing Dems never did during a Presidential election was say U R NOT A TRUE LIBERAL. Now there have been fights about whether or not u r MORE liberal then the next candidate. But never a full blown litmus test....

When Obama and Clinton were going at it last go around it was the battle of NEW IDEAS vs. the Establishment....But even when Obama and his folks brushed close to the idea that Hillary, Biden or John Edwards were not TRUE Progressives they made sure to keep such talk on the low....Because they knew better...They knew Democrats don't get down on that Tea Party shit because we had different demos to hit...OUR party was much too diverse and rationale for that...Plus we saw what such pissing contests got us (see G. McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis)

Go on any progressive leaning site right now. The talk has turned into *RINO* LIBERAL. If I was beamed down from another planet I would have thought Clinton was a Right Wing Hack who was the only politician that had a Super Pac...lol

Shit is kind of wild...

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17. "I'm not sure how to say this"
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first i'm glad you'll vote for whoever the candidate is.

that said i think your argument here is quite meta which people who aren't involved too deep in politics can't really grasp. i get it on a strategic analysis thing tip but that's not what people are reacting to.

and tying it to tea party stuff while it may be close on that level, the gut reaction is, really you think sanders supporters need to be considered in the same breath with the tea party?

a critical point for these folks are:

they don't want moderate politics. no matter how effective being moderate may be in the political system as it exists, that's not where people are right now.

which goes to the second point which is they aren't really feeling the establishment. and clinton represents the establishment. here's washpo on that:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/sorry-hillary-you-are-the-establishment/2016/02/05/0aa7cf80-cc27-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html

The big thing is that Hillary does not know how to stand with this being a substantial part of her electoral base, and so she keeps trying to attract them / not alienate them. But in doing so she is contradicting herself and her track record.

As folk are quick to point out Bernie is a democratic socialist and has been one for ages. Not shying from that, not trying to appeal to moderates, that's his strength, and by the numbers is what people want.

You can't tell the people who want to support that, you guys need to respect the moderate. The moderate needs to find a better way of representing themsevles to those people.

This is a defining moment for the democratic party and in many ways you are correct in the tea party analogy. But these people want things we should all want. The party is going to have to concede to this, at some level. The establishment is going to have to change because the constituency is changing.

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22. "RE: I'm not sure how to say this"
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I'm very involved in politics...Too involved...I think that's the problem...I'm jaded as fuck....

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25. "are you a HRC staffer (on her payroll)?"
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>I'm very involved in politics...Too involved...I think that's
>the problem...I'm jaded as fuck....

Do you host fundraiser dinners for DNC?

  

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murph71
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28. "RE: are you a HRC staffer (on her payroll)?"
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Sat Feb-06-16 09:08 PM by murph71

          

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>>I'm very involved in politics...Too involved...I think
>that's
>>the problem...I'm jaded as fuck....
>
>Do you host fundraiser dinners for DNC?


Nope....My issue is HOW a lot f folks r going about this debate....At this rate we r going to have to come up with a Liberal/Progressive name for RINO....

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33. "Being a Moderate Democrat is a thing"
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Democrats maybe progressive by comparison to Republicans. But there are degrees of progressive within the party. Claiming to be progressive against republicans is one thing. Against the socialist democrat there's a huge and valid distinction.

And people have criticized Obama for not being progressive enough. And were the other cats in a race against Bernie they would be to the right of him on a progressive scale as well.

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34. "DINO"
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>Nope....My issue is HOW a lot f folks r going about this
>debate....At this rate we r going to have to come up with a
>Liberal/Progressive name for RINO....

I live in Dallas where the Democrats can never win a POTUS campaign
but I believe that HRC is a bit more "smoke and mirrors" than Mr. Sanders is.
She doesn't seem genuine.
As a woman, I don't trust her and her words don't resonate with me.
But, I will vote for HRC just to spite ( https://katpierson.wordpress.com/ ) and her ilk from running anything.

  

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41. "RE: DINO"
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^^^^^Yep......That Dem Tea Party is coming....lol

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47. "it wouldn't be a horrible thing if we had a realignment"
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it's been necessary in the past and might be necessary now unless we change how campaign finance and congressional districts work. but i don't see how it would work like the tea party/RINO split.

the issue with the tea party movement isn't just about being more extreme than other republicans. it's that it's a movement based on electing governmental officials that believe government can't solve problems. it's in their interest to be obstructionist.

don't see how that happens with the left.

  

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57. "RE: it wouldn't be a horrible thing if we had a realignment"
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>it's been necessary in the past and might be necessary now
>unless we change how campaign finance and congressional
>districts work. but i don't see how it would work like the tea
>party/RINO split.
>
>the issue with the tea party movement isn't just about being
>more extreme than other republicans. it's that it's a movement
>based on electing governmental officials that believe
>government can't solve problems. it's in their interest to be
>obstructionist.
>
>don't see how that happens with the left.

Any form of uniformed purity spells doom for ANY political party....History tells us that...

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59. "i neither understand what you mean by purity in this case"
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nor see how sticking to political principles has been a historical negative.

  

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62. "RE: i neither understand what you mean by purity in this case"
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>nor see how sticking to political principles has been a
>historical negative.


Political principles r one thing....Having a rigid definition of what constitutes a Liberal Democrat is the issue....

It's really that simple...

Seeing Democratic and Bernie supporters throw around the term DINO like they r a Bizarro Ted Cruz (Mr. RINO catch phrase) is "purity"...

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64. "Fam you created DINO in this thread"
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which is a shift from what everyone is saying. Progressive. Pino like the bassist or the wine

You want to flip a critique of her progressiveness into credibility on her being a democrat... that's on you.

I know I know, you're reading the REAL PROGRESSIVES saying this (note you're the only one talking about REAL), but none of us are, we're just looking at her track record and being critical enough to recognize, she ain't a progressive like she claims to be in the democratic race. She gets the nod and is up against whoever they throw at her, she can claim progressive all she wants, but against Bernie... Nah B.


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69. "RE: Fam you created DINO in this thread"
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Huh?

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71. "Asking for a Progressive/Liberal version of RINO is fishing for DINO"
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Then yelling SEE they're saying it? C'mon Murph!!

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88. "RE: Asking for a Progressive/Liberal version of RINO is fishing for DINO"
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>Then yelling SEE they're saying it? C'mon Murph!!

I think u r missing my point...Maybe I'm being too coy, here.....I didn't need to see the term DINO...That's my point. Her actual posts aligned with other posts that Ive been reading on various Progressive sites...

That ol, "she did x, y, and c so she's NOT a Liberal/Progressive..." stuff...

I go back to what Nate Silver said about Hillary and Bernie:

"If the policy differences between Sanders and Clinton seem relatively minor, that’s because they are. The two of them voted the same way 93 percent of the time for the two years they were in the Senate together, according to research by Derek Willis."

So why r folks trying to make Clinton out to be a fake ass Progressive?....lol

That's the million dollar question....Either Bernie or Hillary will be the nominee...The Dem party should not demonize EITHER one....

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94. "Because after the bailout people don't trust Big Banks"
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>So why r folks trying to make Clinton out to be a fake ass
>Progressive?....lol
>
>That's the million dollar question....Either Bernie or Hillary
>will be the nominee...The Dem party should not demonize EITHER
>one....


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102. "^^^ found it ^^^ RE: Fam you created DINO in this thread..."
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at least imcvspl sees it too

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66. "If you accept $151,00,000 from big banks you are NOT progressive"
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>Political principles r one thing....Having a rigid definition
>of what constitutes a Liberal Democrat is the issue....
>
>It's really that simple...


You can not say HRC is not in bed with big banks.
So what Obama and Kerry were,
we are talking about HRC against her competitor who is NOT

  

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74. "You can't take that money and say you'll fight for finance reform"
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against a candidate who hasn't taken one dime of that money, and try to equate your progressiveness with theirs.

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75. "and this is what Murph doesn't want to address"
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>against a candidate who hasn't taken one dime of that money,
>and try to equate your progressiveness with theirs.

He wants to brush it under the rug
says "back in the 80s, everyone was doing it"
then hide his hands

  

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79. "THE WHOLE PARTY WOULD FALL APART!!"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12969304&mesg_id=12969304&page=#12969367


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80. "i mean that's essentially the problem with hillary"
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her defense with the emails and lgbt issues and campaign finance and everything else is "well how wrong could i have been when other people were doing it to?"

which is fair, but uninspiring. people don't want that from top level leadership. leaders need to step out from the conventional wisdom, at least *some* times.

people especially aren't going to put up with that shit when she isn't putting out a signature vision to get behind.

  

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82. "http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12946..."
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>people especially aren't going to put up with that shit when
>she isn't putting out a signature vision to get behind.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12946143&mesg_id=12946143&page=#12946375

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83. "RE: and this is what Murph doesn't want to address"
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I address it the same way I've been addressing it....

I don't judge Bernie's Progressive reputation on him voting for his own interest when it came to going against gun control. In fact, I wish Hillary and the Hillary-Bots would chill with bringing that Bernie's gun vote up as well....Shit is annoying..,But I get why she is doing it considering now she's being painted as Conservative-Light by Bernie and his team...

Politics ain't a black and white game. Shit is gray as hell. I'm not voting for the next President to be Captain Progressive or some Cult of Personality....I'm looking for someone to extend Obama's work, deal with criminal reform and unfair sentencing laws, improve Obamacare and tip the scales on the Supreme Court.



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85. "So get behind Bernie and let him handle it"
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>I'm looking for
>someone to extend Obama's work, deal with criminal reform and
>unfair sentencing laws, improve Obamacare and tip the scales
>on the Supreme Court.

Is he not capable?

  

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92. "RE: So get behind Bernie and let him handle it"
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>>I'm looking for
>>someone to extend Obama's work, deal with criminal reform
>and
>>unfair sentencing laws, improve Obamacare and tip the scales
>>on the Supreme Court.
>
>Is he not capable?


I'm going to let whoever wins handle it without demonizing either candidate....Repugs will have plenty of room to do that....

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86. "hillary can't press the gun thing harder because it'd be a bad look. "
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she's tried, but if she really pressed it, she'd find that many more people vote against gun control than vote for it. it's something a democratic president should do, but it's an INSANE issue to run on.

is it even a progressive issue? it's more of an "common sense is more important than american exceptionalism" issue.

on the other side, the gun rights debate is at a tangent to bernie's political priorities, and he voted with his state's values. he can evolve on the issue because it matters to the party he represents now and because recent events have changed his mind.

  

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67. "i still don't think what you're talking about is a real thing"
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some bloggers blogging blogs isn't what real people are thinking. DINO isn't a more common term now than it was 2 6 20 years ago.

in fact...bernie CHOSE to caucus and then run as a democrat. he came to the party when he easily could have nadered this shit.

people on the left choosing to be part of this party is a good thing. they're participating because they want changes to happen and want to see the progress that has been made continue. no one is kicking moderates out. we're just trying to decide what issues it makes sense to coalesce around and present to the nation.

everything the bernie folks are saying about hillary now are the EXACT same things she'd be saying about herself in the general election trying to pick up votes this summer and fall.

i just don't see what the problem is with being honest about that.

  

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93. "RE: i still don't think what you're talking about is a real thing"
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>some bloggers blogging blogs isn't what real people are
>thinking. DINO isn't a more common term now than it was 2 6 20
>years ago.


U guys keep talking about bloggers...I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BLOGGERS....I'm talking about actual Democratic voters...Bernie supporters.....Having a pissing contest about what a real Progressive is....I'm talking about Hillary-Bots clinging to Bernie's gun vote as if that's proof he's not a real Democrat...

And I'm talking about regular folk (not bloggers) stating that Hillary Clinton is basically a Conservative in Liberals clothing...

Hell, if only Conservatives felt that same way...lol

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95. "preferring bernie's ideas to hillary's"
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is not REMOTELY similar to what has happened with republicans and the RINO/tea party thing.

real people are not DINOing hillary. it's not a litmus test. it's a vetting of a candidate and trying to make a choice between two reasonable choices.

you know how we KNOW it's different? because the tea party has taken out basically the entire republican leadership over this RINO nonsense. not one person. not one person who we already decided wasn't our best candidate 8 years ago. they decimated a generation of elected representatives of the republican party. and now that they're almost out of political targets, they're straight up trying to ruin careers of people like megyn kelly.

it seems really obvious you're trying to raise up another boogeyman with the DINO thing.

if our responses don't make sense to you, it's because we have no idea what you're talking about and are trying to figure it out as we respond.

  

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99. "This race is not about ideas."
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Bernie Sanders isn't putting forward any ideas.

Single-payer health care? With the general public it's been a political failure for the better part of a century now. We couldn't even get the public option through. We will not pass single payer.

Campaign finance reform? He hasn't proposed any sort of plan for it other than "I'll get a billion people to rise up with me for it." No he won't. The fact that he doesn't have a superpac does not mean that he has superpowers to overrule the Supreme Court, and the fact that other candidates have superpacs does not mean they support the idea of superpacs. They might just understand the concept of a necessary evil. Whoever runs against Donald Trump, Marco Rubio, whoever, they had better damn sure have the support of a superpac if they want to win.

Reinstate Glass-Steagall? I'll admit that that one at least constitutes an idea (not that he'd have any way to bring it to fruition). But it's a very simplistic idea that completely overlooks how the financial crisis actually occurred. There's a reason that Barney Frank, the man behind the law that's doing a lot more than Glass-Steagall would to deleverage and break up institutions that are too big to fail, is supporting Hillary Clinton.

  

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61. "If the party cannot get behind the people, it dooms itself"
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>Any form of uniformed purity spells doom for ANY political
>party....History tells us that...


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70. "RE: If the party cannot get behind the people, it dooms itself"
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That's cool and all...If ALL the people feel like yourself and others...Unfortunately, that's not the case...

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72. "In Iowa it was 50/50"
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That means the rest of yall need to rethink your strategy and stop trying to tell people to shut up and follow the party line.

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91. "RE: In Iowa it was 50/50"
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Iowa should not be used as ANY measure for this race....99.9 percent white and the Dems in Iowa are VERY progressive....

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96. "WHOA WHOA... Let's not litmus test the progressivenss of states now!"
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>Iowa should not be used as ANY measure for this race....99.9
>percent white and the Dems in Iowa are VERY progressive....


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29. "you're proving his point with comments like this"
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>Do you host fundraiser dinners for DNC?

  

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42. "RE: you're proving his point with comments like this"
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Shhhhh.....She just called the other Democratic candidate a DINO....I've been reading that kind of shit all day....lol

That's where I'm coming from....That purity test is bubbling...

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60. "Pretty sure she was trolling you"
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>Shhhhh.....She just called the other Democratic candidate a
>DINO....I've been reading that kind of shit all day....lol


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65. "RE: Pretty sure she was trolling you"
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No...she wasn't trolling...lol...It would one thing if I based her commentary off of that one line...But I'm also looking at the actual words in her posts...

BTW, I'm seeing that "DINO" type of stuff a lot on Progressive sites....

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68. "the words that said she'd vote for HRC?"
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>No...she wasn't trolling...lol...It would one thing if I based
>her commentary off of that one line...But I'm also looking at
>the actual words in her posts...

You asked for a name for it and she responded with the obvious one. C'mon man!

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76. "RE: the words that said she'd vote for HRC?"
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>>No...she wasn't trolling...lol...It would one thing if I
>based
>>her commentary off of that one line...But I'm also looking
>at
>>the actual words in her posts...
>
>You asked for a name for it and she responded with the obvious
>one. C'mon man!


U mean the shots about saying I'm on HRC payroll when I said I'm voting for Bernie if he gets the nod?

Or this line?

"If you accept $151,00,000 from big banks you are NOT progressive"...

The line now that I'm hearing is because Clinton has a Super Pac she's not Liberal/Progressive....That would disqualify 90 percent of Dems who have ran for office the last 8 years or so...U can dismiss it as bloggers as u want to...I'm talking about regular posters....

That's what I'm getting at...I hope we don't fall into that trap....

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77. "BUT IT WOULDN'T DISQUALIFY THE CANDIDATE SHE'S UP AGAINST!!"
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>The line now that I'm hearing is because Clinton has a Super
>Pac she's not Liberal/Progressive....That would disqualify 90
>percent of Dems who have ran for office the last 8 years or
>so...U can dismiss it as bloggers as u want to...I'm talking
>about regular posters....
>
>That's what I'm getting at...I hope we don't fall into that
>trap....

No traps Murph!! Fact. You are trying to uphold the establishment. Bernie is shaking it up. People are supporting that shake up.

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90. "RE: BUT IT WOULDN'T DISQUALIFY THE CANDIDATE SHE'S UP AGAINST!!"
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Yeah....Bernie is not merely saying she took money and I didn't,,,He's saying, "She's not a real progressive because she has a Super Pac...."

Which is kind of naive....I guess I don't look for messiahs when it comes to politicians....

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78. "It means you can't be indignant about campaign finance reform"
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She can still be liberal/progressive. But you can't can't demonize a practice that you a currently deeply involved in without being called out.


>
>The line now that I'm hearing is because Clinton has a Super
>Pac she's not Liberal/Progressive....That would disqualify 90
>percent of Dems who have ran for office the last 8 years or
>so...U can dismiss it as bloggers as u want to...I'm talking
>about regular posters....
>

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84. "RE: It means you can't be indignant about campaign finance reform"
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>She can still be liberal/progressive.

I wish this^^^was how it was going down....But it's turning into an all or nothing deal.....

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87. "https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/05/hillary-clinto..."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/05/hillary-clinton-says-shes-progressive-in-case-you-dont-believe-her-she-said-it-15-times-video/

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89. "RE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/05/hillary-cl..."
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>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/05/hillary-clinton-says-shes-progressive-in-case-you-dont-believe-her-she-said-it-15-times-video/


That same paper said Bernie couldn't get anything done and was not a real Democrat........

I'm more worried about the Democratic party than what journalists are saying....

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97. "I'm more worried about HRC's NEED to assert her progressiveness"
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Seems like just yesterday - https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/10/06/why-hillary-clinton-is-more-progressive-than-bernie-sanders-in-one-sentence/

Whole shit is laughable and symbolic of a problem with her positioning. Especially considering the argument presented in that link. Why is she trying to claim so progressive when she's on record as being moderate? Because she knows that's what people want to hear. But just saying it isn't enough. Saying you're progressive because you're the female candidate isn't enough. If she wants to kill Bernie's momentum it's going to take either going full moderate and showing that's who the democratic party really is, or actually presenting some progressive ideas.


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81. "Super PAC != Goldman Sachs, Citibank and Merrill Lynch"
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>The line now that I'm hearing is because Clinton has a Super
>Pac she's not Liberal/Progressive....That would disqualify 90
>percent of Dems who have ran for office the last 8 years or
>so...


99% of those 90% you mention don't get paid $200k for a one hour speech at these Big Banks

Or have foundations that multinational companies have donated billions of dollars to

You can't claim to be a populist if you're sitting on a quarter of a billion dollars in your checking account

She needs to stop trying to naenae her way into the presidency

Her husband got by with playing the sax,
She just had to go and up the ante

  

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103. "RE: Super PAC != Goldman Sachs, Citibank and Merrill Lynch"
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Listen...it is what it is...When u have the progressive wing of the Democratic party even questioning Obama's "liberal, progressive" record, when u have Bernie backers even saying Obama is carrying water for the Democratic establishment, then the hand writing is on the wall.....

U guys don't get it...I'm not talking about Bernie vs. Hillary....I'm talking about the ultra left wing of the Democratic party vs. the establishment.....Shit is about to get nasty....

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18. "lol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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10. "i don't think i understand"
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12. "RE: i don't think i understand"
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The very progressive side of the Democratic Party are now saying: YOU ARE ONLY A PROGRESSIVE IF U BELIEVE IN X, Y, OR Z....

This^^^has me spooked....

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14. "I don't think many people are making that argument"
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I think people have specific criticisms about Clinton's record and would like it if she clarified her vision for the country.

I also think Clinton's approach to questions exposes her to litmus tests more often. If she's the nuance candidate, she should give nuanced, honest answers more often. Not try to claim a progressive label that she's not even going to want after March/April.

  

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23. "RE: I don't think many people are making that argument"
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I'm seeing it, homie....

It's def. happening.....

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15. "I don't feel that that's the way the story is going...."
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>
>
>The very progressive side of the Democratic Party are now
>saying: YOU ARE ONLY A PROGRESSIVE IF U BELIEVE IN X, Y, OR
>Z....
>
>This^^^has me spooked....

It's more like, "where ya ass was at? (c)". She's trying to hop onto Bernie's wave and portray herself as some super liberal who was ultra progressive from day 1.
It was just a few months ago that she herself proclaimed that she was a centrist and moderate.

She's out here acting like campaign finance reform is a major pillar of her candidacy. Since when? Since Sanders started hitting on it hard, that's when.
And you have to admit, it's a pretty hypocritical stance for her to take.

Why is she supporting campaign finance reform? Because big money in politics leads to quid pro quo. This is the standard Koch bros, repub Super Pac complaint.
But at the same time, she is getting major funding from these super pacs. What does that imply? That she is not like the other candidates? She is immune from quid pro quo?

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26. "RE: I don't feel that that's the way the story is going...."
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>>
>>
>>The very progressive side of the Democratic Party are now
>>saying: YOU ARE ONLY A PROGRESSIVE IF U BELIEVE IN X, Y, OR
>>Z....
>>
>>This^^^has me spooked....
>
>It's more like, "where ya ass was at? (c)". She's trying to
>hop onto Bernie's wave and portray herself as some super
>liberal who was ultra progressive from day 1.
>It was just a few months ago that she herself proclaimed that


Her ass was at the same place where Biden and Kerry were...lol...They both voted for that dumb ass war that Bush and crew created from faked intelligence....But u don't see anyone questioning their liberal street cred (actually, scratch that...I'm beginning to see folks on the progressive sites imply that the Obama Administration was not working from a true Progressive platform...)

I have had beef with Hillary. But my beef had nothing to do with ol girl not being a true Progressive....This chick got fried in the '90s for trying to push affordable health care...That's my issue...Not folks critiquing Clinton on specifics of her record...Just that the judgement = Fake Progressive...

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31. "Bush and crew created from faked intelligence..."
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>Her ass was at the same place where Biden and Kerry
>were...lol...They both voted for that dumb ass war that Bush
>and crew created from faked intelligence....But u don't see
>anyone questioning their liberal street cred (actually,
>scratch that...

The "well they did it too" excuse is not going to fly on this
Mainly because Mr. Sanders did not fall for the Bush tricks.
He was astute enough to see through it and still vote AGAINST the war.
There is a lot of money in selling bulletproof vests during a war.

  

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38. "RE: Bush and crew created from faked intelligence..."
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>>Her ass was at the same place where Biden and Kerry
>>were...lol...They both voted for that dumb ass war that Bush
>>and crew created from faked intelligence....But u don't see
>>anyone questioning their liberal street cred (actually,
>>scratch that...
>
>The "well they did it too" excuse is not going to fly on this
>Mainly because Mr. Sanders did not fall for the Bush tricks.
>He was astute enough to see through it and still vote AGAINST
>the war.
>There is a lot of money in selling bulletproof vests during a
>war.

Everybody knows where their audience is...Clinton's audience was New York....So u know where she was going with when it came to that war vote....Also, I'm not about discounting someone because of one issue or so....The same reason why I wouldn't discount Bernie for his gun votes...I think that argument should be buried too...

Bottom line...I'm voting for Bernie if he gets that nod....But I don't want to see an all or nothing debate when it comes to what it means to be a Progressive...

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19. "me neither"
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>
>
>The very progressive side of the Democratic Party are now
>saying: YOU ARE ONLY A PROGRESSIVE IF U BELIEVE IN X, Y, OR
>Z....

No. They are saying you can NOT be a progressive if within the last 8 years you were AGAINST X, Y, Z
X being gay marriage rights
Y big bank reform
Z staying out of Iraq


I also noticed you have a VERY biased HRC stance.
Even when people are pointing out her flaws you are doing what she does and talk around them and switch the conversation to something else.

It shows.

There are videos of HRC labeling herself a 'moderate' and videos of her labeling herself a 'progressive' and now she is calling herself 'moderately progressive' seems like she is trying to pander to every voting bloc.

How can she be a 'progressive' when her and her husband made $151,000,000 from speaking fees (most from big banks)?

  

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45. "Yikes. "
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yes, there are things that make people, orgs, communities, legislation progressive. just like there are things that make ppl feminists

for example just because a woman becomes a CEO and makes a lot of money setting an example for young women and girls that "they can do it too", doesn't make her a feminist, and it's a slap in the face to the queer Black and Brown women who literally sacrificed their bodies and lives to create spaces of resistance and safety for women and othered bodies

that is the reality with ppl, specifically politicians who try to fly the progressive tag. Sorry holmes, her and her husband are/were important players in the expansion of the prison industrial complex, and the implementation of NAFTA which DECIMATED the global south. She voted and cowered during the military adventurism of the Iraq War.

ppl need to be real with that shit. sit with it. there is no side stepping that.you seem to be very upset that ppl are not falling for Hils rhetoric and critiquing where her voting recording or past statements have contradicted her current positions.

this is a real fact of socio-political life, in particular in the neoliberal era, if want her in office because "repubs are so bad", good for you. other ppl DO NOT WANT THAT. and will vote their consciousness.

My family survived Reagan and GW. Me and my communities survived Dubya. we will survive Trump, Cruz or Rubio if they can beat Hils or Bern.



  

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54. "RE: Yikes. "
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Again...I get where YOU r coming from....I'm just looking at records here...Clinton and Bernie voted on the same side in the Senate 93 percent of the time...

If Clinton is not a true Progressive then damn near everyone in O'Beezy's cabinet is not a true Progressive including Captain Progressive Joe Biden....

Slippery slope...

But yeah...fuck the Repugs. At this point I'm voting forever gets that nod...That party is dumb as fuck...

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63. "ALL OF THIS!!!"
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>My family survived Reagan and GW. Me and my communities
>survived Dubya. we will survive Trump, Cruz or Rubio if they
>can beat Hils or Bern.

It really is blowing my mind to see cat's fear mongering this shit. Obama made cats soft.

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104. "RE: ALL OF THIS!!!"
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>>My family survived Reagan and GW. Me and my communities
>>survived Dubya. we will survive Trump, Cruz or Rubio if they
>>can beat Hils or Bern.
>
>It really is blowing my mind to see cat's fear mongering this
>shit. Obama made cats soft.


Reagan and W would be called RINOS in today's Republican party....Nah dog...there is no "surviving" a Republican controlled house/senate AND Presidency in today's political landscape....



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20. "I'm not gonna pretend it's not about me."
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I used to be right here with ya. But I think it's a product of nearing 40 for me. Either that or I'm over-estimating how bad things are getting for the quality of life for average citizens. Maybe I'm just willing to risk more now. But I think something drastic should be done. Wealth redistribution.....social programs and a more civilized society. I've actually never been as well-off my entire life as I am right now. So it's not that I'm experiencing poverty in my life. I feel like I'm SEEING it more though.

I've got a minor in economics....I know all of the fiscal conservative arguments about job creation, inflation, economic incentive etc etc. I just find I don't care anymore. Maybe there was something holding me back from an extreme leftist position because I was scared we would lose what we have. But what we have isn't enough for me anymore. Let's swing for the fences. I'm willing to be reckless to effect greater change at this point.

  

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4. "Another good article on this (swipe)"
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Yes, this article is mostly about Bill, but Hillary endorsed and often lobbied for his policies from Arkansas to the White House. She backed his carceral build-up by invoking the racist "super predator" myth, and threw welfare mothers under the bus by calling them "deadbeats." As senator, she fronted for the same predatory-lending institutions that devastated black household wealth, and ran a racist campaign against Obama in 2008. As Secretary of State, she undermined Haitian and Honduran democracy. She has ZERO credibility on racial justice.

And, yes, Sanders should be critiqued from the left on racial justice. Black Agenda Report has been brilliant on why Sanders doesn't go anywhere near far enough. But it makes me sick the way people give Hillary a pass for her crimes against people of color, and the poor in general.

Black Lives Shattered: How the Clintons Built Their Legacy on White Supremacy

Amanda Girard | January 30, 2016

http://usuncut.com/politics/black-lives-shattered-how-the-clintons-built-their-empire-on-white-supremacy/

The Clinton family likes to portray themselves as champions of black Americans. That couldn’t be further from the truth. Going back almost three decades, the Clintons have a consistent track record of exploiting, targeting, and trampling on the black community, using government as the means to perpetuate white supremacy.

Clinton as governor of Arkansas

In 1987, then-Governor Bill Clinton signed a bill affirming that one of the blue stars in the Arkansas state flag was meant to honor the Confederacy, whose entire purpose for existence was to perpetuate the institution of slavery. As governor, Clinton never once opposed the state’s multiple holidays celebrating the Confederacy:

Arkansas observes a Confederate Flag Day, which is celebrated together with Arkansas Confederate History and Heritage Month and Confederate Memorial Day. Per state code, it is observed on the Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday… Clinton did not publicly object to Confederate Flag Day during his time as governor. The holiday is still being observed.

While running for president, Clinton executed Ricky Ray Rector, an African-American inmate convicted of two murders who shot himself in the head, requiring a lobotomy and rendering him mentally handicapped. A judge ordered him to stand trial regardless of his mental state due to the murders, and Gov. Clinton ordered his execution while on the campaign trail, just before the New Hampshire primary. In his 2014 report, Capital Punishment: Race, Poverty, and Disadvantage, Yale professor Stephen Bright illustrated the depth of Rector’s mental instability:

That afternoon, after Clinton had refused all final entreaties for clemency, Rector sat with one of his attorneys watching, on a TV outside his cell, news reports of his impending execution, two hours away, intermingled with accounts of Clinton’s travail over the Flowers charges, and he abruptly announced, in a thick mumble, “I’m gonna vote for him, Gonna vote for Clinton.” It had always been his habit to put aside his dessert until bedtime, and after eating his last meal, of steak and fried chicken in gravy, with cherry Kool-Aid, he carefully set aside his helping of pecan pie, to finish later. One of his attorneys had earlier stated that Rector “thinks he’ll be back in his cell on Saturday morning.”

Bill Clinton’s first 4 years in the White House

Clinton’s indifference to minorities lasted throughout the presidential campaign and into his presidency. In fact, the 1992 Democratic Party platform made no mention of racial injustice for the first time in over 50 years, only briefly mentioning affirmative action and civil rights. And as Brooklyn College political science professor Corey Robin mentioned, Putting People First, the book Bill Clinton and Al Gore co-authored in 1992, only mentioned race once, when floating the idea of eliminating racial quotas.

In 1992, Clinton wasn’t afraid to admonish black people to their faces in order to appeal to white centrists, as he did in his infamous Sister Souljah moment. That was seen as a pivotal point in the campaign, in which Clinton called the female rapper to task for comments she made about race, particularly about how black people are incapable of racism, since racism is an institutional behavior that whites in power use to disenfranchise blacks. In his speech to the Rainbow Coalition, Clinton chastised Sister Souljah, even comparing her to KKK leader David Duke. For her part, Sister Souljah has remained relatively quiet since 1992, but recently blasted Hillary Clinton in an interview with TIME:

After being asked to weigh in on the candidacy of Hillary Clinton, Souljah raised concerned about being misquoted and then slid an index card to writer Daniel D’Addario which read: “She reminds me too much of the slave plantation white wife of the white ‘Master.’ She talks down to people, is condescending and pandering. She even talked down to the Commander in Chief, President Barack Obama, while she was under his command!”

In 1994, Bill Clinton passed the now-infamous crime bill, which even he has since admitted led to the mass incarceration problem we have today. The bill allocated an additional $30.2 billion for new state prisons, implemented harsher prison sentences, and created the three-strikes law, since adopted in 20 states, that mandates a life sentence after a third violent crime. Before the bill became law, Hillary Clinton was stumping ferociously for its passage:

“We will finally be able to say, loudly and clearly, that for repeat, violent, criminal offenders: three strikes and you’re out. We are tired of putting you back in through the revolving door,” First Lady Clinton had said.

By the end of Clinton’s first term, the U.S. had added an additional 277,000 prisoners — that’s more than twice as many prisoners added during Republican hero Ronald Reagan’s first term (129,000). By January 2001, Clinton oversaw the addition of 673,000 new inmates to state and federal prisons. Reagan had only imprisoned 438,000. Nearly 60 percent of those imprisoned during Clinton’s first four years were behind bars for nonviolent drug offenses. The crime bill had a reverberating effect throughout black communities — as prison spending went up, funding for programs meant to help the disadvantaged declined, according to Ohio State University law professor Michelle Alexander:

Federal funding for public housing fell by $17 billion (a 61 percent reduction) under Bill Clinton’s tenure; federal funding for corrections rose by $19 billion (an increase of 171 percent), according to Michelle Alexander’s seminal work, “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness.” The federal government’s new priorities redirected nearly $1 billion in state spending for higher education to prison construction. Clinton put a permanent eligibility ban for welfare or food stamps on anyone convicted of a felony drug offense (including marijuana possession).

Bill Clinton’s war on black welfare recipients and homeowners
Just as Clinton did with Sister Souljah in 1992, he once again catapulted himself to re-election in 1996 by using the black community as a stepping stone. Promising to “end welfare as we know it,” Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA) into law in August of 1996, just months before voters cast their ballots. The bill essentially turned the welfare system over to states, created loopholes for state governments to spend money earmarked for welfare on other programs, and disconnected welfare payments from inflation, meaning that families on welfare today get a full third less in assistance than they did 20 years ago.

As US Uncut previously reported, the PRWORA’s signing ceremony featured a black woman from Arkansas named Lillie Harden, who spoke about how proud she felt to have a job rather than depend on the welfare system. Even though only one in three welfare recipients are black, Clinton’s signing ceremony invitees perpetuated the myth of black people as the prime recipients of government welfare:

Harden’s life took a turn for the worse several years after PRWORA’s passage. In 2005, author Jason DeParle interviewed Harden for his book, The American Dream: Three Women, Ten Kids, and a Nation’s Drive to End Welfare. Since 1996, Harden had been struggling to make ends meet working low-wage jobs in the Arkansas town she lived in, where more than 1 in 5 residents live below the poverty line:

Harden had a stroke in 2002 and wanted me to ferry a message back to Clinton, asking if he could help her get on Medicaid. She had received it on welfare, but had been rejected now, and she couldn’t afford her $450 monthly bill for prescription drugs. More sad than bitter, she said of her work: “It didn’t pay off in the end.”

Near the end of his second term, Clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act (FSMA) into law in 1999. This bill infamously repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, which forced commercial banks and investment banks to operate separately. Clinton’s passage of the FSMA allowed major banks to acquire investment firms and insurance companies, which, as we all know by now, created the subprime mortgage bubble that disproportionately affected homeowners in communities of color.

With banks no longer constrained by Glass-Steagall, banks and non-bank mortgage lenders made loans to prospective homeowners, then sold the loans to investment banks that packaged them into collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) and mortgage-backed securities (MBS). Ratings agencies were also complicit, giving a AAA rating to these unregulated financial instruments which were then peddled to investors and traded on Wall Street, leading to the 2007-2008 financial crisis.

As the New York Times reported, banks used their newfound deregulation to aggressively push subprime loans onto black communities, like Baltimore. Shortly after Clinton’s deregulation passed, Wells Fargo went on a subprime crusade in Baltimore. Over half of all the Baltimore homes in foreclosure that had Wells Fargo loans between 2005 and 2008 are now vacant, and 71 percent of those homes are in black neighborhoods.

Tony Paschal, who was a Wells Fargo loan officer working out of Northern Virginia between 1997 and 2007, described the bank’s ruthless targeting of people of color:

In 2001, he states in his affidavit, Wells Fargo created a unit in the mid-Atlantic region to push expensive refinancing loans on black customers, particularly those living in Baltimore, southeast Washington and Prince George’s County, Md.

“They referred to subprime loans made in minority communities as ghetto loans and minority customers as ‘those people have bad credit’, ‘those people don’t pay their bills’ and ‘mud people,’ ” Mr. Paschal said in his affidavit.

He said a bank office in Silver Spring, Md., had an “affinity group marketing” section, which hired blacks to call on African-American churches.

“The company put ‘bounties’ on minority borrowers,” Mr. Paschal said. “By this I mean that loan officers received cash incentives to aggressively market subprime loans in minority communities.”

Hillary Clinton’s meddling in Haiti’s elections as Secretary of State

Haiti is the only sovereign nation founded by freed black slaves, making it the constant target of U.S. intervention for centuries. Shortly after the Haitian Revolution, slave owner Thomas Jefferson, then serving as the U.S. Secretary of State, worried about the future of France’s most profitable colony in a letter to Marquis de Lafayette in 1792:

What are you doing for your colonies? They will be lost if not more effectually succoured. Indeed no future efforts you can make will ever be able to reduce the blacks. All that can be done in my opinion will be to compound with them as has been done formerly in Jamaica.

Even over 200 years later, Hillary Clinton seems to have had the same colonialist attitude toward Haiti as her predecessors, given the depth of her involvement in the country’s democratic process.

As The Real News Network reported in the below video, Sec. Clinton used the State Department’s apparatus to team up with Haitian private sector elites to ensure that Haitian leadership was favorable to U.S. interests.

Haiti’s recent presidential election has been subject to mass protests throughout the country, with Haitian citizen groups and international election watchdogs condemning current president Michel Martelly’s rampant fraud in the initial casting of ballots, demanding the annulment of election results. Martelly is a good friend of the Clinton family — he even appointed Bill Clinton to an advisory board he assembled in seeking foreign investment.

Martelly has been president since 2010, ruling by decree, and without the consent of much of Haitian parliament. In fact, Jude Celestin, Martelly’s main opposition, recently announced he was dropping out of the election, calling the entire process a farce.

Despite the popular unrest, the U.S. government has spent at least $15 million on moving Haitian elections forward. Ricardo Seitenfus, who had been in Haiti serving as the representative for the Organization of American States since 2008, said “The Haitian electoral calendar is subject to the U.S. schedule.”

The depth of the Clinton State Department’s meddling in Haiti was made clear in one of Clinton’s recently-released emails. In the email, U.S. Ambassador to Haiti Kenneth Merten wrote a celebratory message to Cheryl Mills, Sec. Clinton’s chief of staff, saying that he had spoken with Haitian Chamber of Commerce president Reginald Boulos. The business elite told Boulos that Celestin would be withdrawing from the 2010 elections prior to the runoff. Merten even predicted Haitians would riot over the news.

Boulos + private sector have told RP that Celestin should withdraw + they would support RP staying til 7 Feb. Thoughts? This is big. Told Emb to draft statement calling for calm. I have called Martelly camp telling them that he needs to get on radio telling people to not pillage. Peaceful demo OK: pillage is not.

It’s undeniable to say the Clinton family has a legacy of proliferating white supremacy, whether its in domestic policy or foreign policy. It remains to be seen whether or not Hillary Clinton will attract black voters in the upcoming Democratic primaries, as the establishment media expects her to, or if black voters will look elsewhere for someone to adequately represent them.

  

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7. "Gloria Steinem says young women support Sanders cuz they're boy crazy"
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This election cycle is so fuckin weird.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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9. "i saw the end of that interview. her opinions were just weird"
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her claim that women become more radical when they get older. i mean it made sense the way she explained it, but when i contrast it with what i see in real life.. not so much. unless i misunderstood her it seems like she was claming that the post menopausal women who show up at the hillary rallys are the true progressives, and the girls at Bernie rallys are just dumb skanks seeking some dick.

even a little more weird because many of those women at Hilldawg rallys were teens in the late 60s. if anything, they're more conservative now. they're just liberal compared to their male counterparts from that era.

  

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13. "There's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other. (c)"
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Madeleine Albright

that is not only insulting to women

but also atheists/agnostics

they'll probably alienate more voters with this pandering than they realize

to insinuate you are going to hell if you don't vote for HRC = bat shit crazy, imo

the majority of the HRC campaign recently revolves around fear

I'm not scurred.

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16. "This is it right here..."
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>the majority of the HRC campaign recently revolves around
>fear
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I rarely hear Clinton supporters (on OKP and elsewhere) express direct support for her.
It's more like "do you know what will happen if she's not the nominee?" Pumping that fear that it is either Clinton or the Republicans

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35. "Justified fear. "
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And there's nothing wrong with that.

If I'm about to get hit by a truck, I'm afraid, so I jump away. That's how we stay alive.

  

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39. "About as justified as"
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a god to explain the unexplainable birth of the universe.



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98. "So you actually think Bernie Sanders could win a general election?"
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A candidate who openly proclaims himself to be at the extreme end of the Democratic party, after eight years in which Republicans were able to completely marginalize one of the most charismatic Presidents in modern history by falsely claiming that his policies and intentions were socialist and redistributive?

And the Bernie Bros can miss me with the "He polls better against Trump" line. Bernie hasn't faced a single political attack in his life, because he's never been a threat to anyone before. If he ever is, the attacks will come, and his negatives will skyrocket. Or the "Obama got elected when nobody expected him to" line. For one thing, Obama was a MUCH harder candidate for the Republicans to attack in 2008. For another, policy wise, he was identical to Hillary, and he didn't claim otherwise. For another thing, Obama was running after the complete collapse of the Bush presidency. Democrats had a huge lead in that race from the very start. This time around, we'll be up against headwinds. And then there's the "Hillary has scandals tho" line. No she doesn't. She's been hounded for 25 years. Nobody in modern political history has been more vetted than her. The Republican party is a machine that manufactures "scandals" to unleash on their competitors. Benghazi was designed to be an Obama scandal before it became convenient for them to redirect it against Hillary. Hillary knows about these manufactured scandals, and how to deal with them. Bernie would be like a deer in headlights.

  

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44. "It doesn't worry me. I heard the same statement throughout 2007-2008"
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i.e. Obama can never win a general election. White-working class voters will vote for McCain instead on Obama, so we need to nominate Clinton.

Shouldn't have been a concern then, and it shouldn't be a concern now.

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48. "except in these two, there are actual differences"
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Obama/Clinton were different faces of the same policies

in this case Bernie is the far left guy people were pretending Obama was. Somehow people have it in their head that Obama was running way left of Hillary which is false.

  

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49. "So now all of a sudden policy trumps racism?"
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51. "i'm saying 08 shouldn't be the precedent"
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I have no idea of Bern can win the general, but i won't base his chances on Obama pulling it off

  

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58. "RE: i'm saying 08 shouldn't be the precedent"
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>I have no idea of Bern can win the general, but i won't base
>his chances on Obama pulling it off


^^^^^^^^^^^

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21. "LOL @ a 73-year-old man being a sex symbol."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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24. "lol she wasn't talking about Bernie"
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she's talking about them going to his rallies to meet boys

  

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27. "Do you think Bernie's lack of support with women and minorities..."
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is cause he's an old white man?

It's a post-modern world.....and who you are is often more important than what you say. I feel like I'm seeing that ALOT with younger people. We've been trying to engage our teenagers (black girl, black guy and white girl)....it seems like they just support Hillary by default. When we try to advocate for Bernie to them I get the feeling that they just see an old white man.

In anycase....do you think it's that simple? That there's a reluctance amongst minority leftists to support Bernie because of what he looks like?

  

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36. "i really don't know what it is"
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i haven't paid enough attention to the dynamic. it could be him being an old white guy from a majority white state, or it could be she's more tied to obama, but i really don't know. it's interesting though.

probably depends on where too. in cali, a lot of mexicans don't like obama, but they like hillary, even though there's hardly any difference in policy. some of it's just plain racism, and some of it is that they really dig the clintons. but even with that there's a huge age factor. younger latinos/latinas under 35/40 love obama.. older, not so much

  

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50. "One thing my SO pointed out....."
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There's not a chance in hell that a minority or a woman could run on Bernie's policies. Only a white man could be taken seriously while being so far left.

  

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53. "defintely"
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even obama had to suck off capitalism and the flag at every turn

  

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56. "don't agree"
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people didn't think bernie could have gotten this far.

warren would be winning if she had run, and she's closer to bernie than hillary.

obama won with people thinking he was left of hillary. people think he's an african muslim and he still won.

republicans got plenty of white dudes to run and they got black dudes, women, latinos, and south asians in front of their policies.

dems certainly don't need white people to be the face of progressivism. bernie is up there cause he ran. simple as that.

i feel like this is the loser narrative that's in the heads of those people like steinem. we can do better than being afraid of the past. of course it's *always* going to be an easier road for a white man, but his policies are compelling and defensible on their own merits.

being afraid of the past is keeping us living in the past. the next generation that articulates these progressive platforms (people like kshama sawant) is already on its way if we're willing to support them.

  

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73. "Bernie has a lot of support of women"
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Just not women over 45.

  

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32. "which is terrible"
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sounds like something someone would have said in opposition to the 19th amendment.

  

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40. "it really is. especially from her"
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she may be too caught up in breaking that glass ceiling to see past it

  

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52. "Okay. I see. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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30. "RE: Gloria Steinem says young women support Sanders cuz they're boy craz..."
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>This election cycle is so fuckin weird.


That was some wild shit...She need to go sit down with that....

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37. "BTW this is worse than questioning progressiveness"
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43. "RE: BTW this is worse than questioning progressiveness"
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Dog...u talking to the wrong head....I don't care about what old ass white feminists past their sell date has to say...lol

I'm talking about EVERY DAY folks in the Democratic party...I'm seeing that U R ONLY A PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL IF talk...

This^^^is some other shit....

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46. "RE: "
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>
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>Dog...u talking to the wrong head....I don't care about what
>old ass white feminists past their sell date has to say...lol
>
>I'm talking about EVERY DAY folks in the Democratic
>party...I'm seeing that U R ONLY A PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL IF
>talk...
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>This^^^is some other shit....

but, you the only one saying this...

  

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55. "RE: "
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>>
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>>Dog...u talking to the wrong head....I don't care about what
>>old ass white feminists past their sell date has to
>say...lol
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>>I'm talking about EVERY DAY folks in the Democratic
>>party...I'm seeing that U R ONLY A PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL IF
>>talk...
>>
>>This^^^is some other shit....
>
>but, you the only one saying this...


i'm reading some of the same REAL PROGRESSIVE shit in this very thread...In fact someone just referred to Clinton as a DINO....(RINO)....

I'm not blind...And I'm no Hillary-Bot....I'm down with anyone who can go against the Repugs....

I'm just not down putting such hard ceiling on what being Progressive/Liberal means....

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101. "RE: #hillarysoprogressive, her advisors and fundraisers lobbied against"
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Obamacare and Financial Reform

see Dewey Square Group and Benenson Strategy Group

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/08/hrc-inner-circle-lobbyists/

Hillary Clinton is campaigning as a guardian of President Barack Obama’s progressive policy accomplishments. In recent weeks, she has called the Affordable Care Act “one of the greatest accomplishments of President Obama, of the Democratic Party and of our country,” and promised that she is “going to defend Dodd-Frank” and “defend President Obama for taking on Wall Street.”

Meanwhile, however, Clinton’s campaign has been relying on a team of strategists and fundraisers many of whom spent much of the last seven years as consultants or lobbyists for business interests working to obstruct Obama’s agenda in those two areas.

Consultants associated with the Dewey Square Group, a lobbying firm that has been retained by business interests to defeat a variety of progressive reforms, are playing a major role in the Clinton campaign. Charles Baker III, the co-founder of Dewey, is a senior strategist and the campaign’s chief administrative officer. Michael Whouley, another Dewey co-founder, played an early role in advising Clinton’s plan for the current campaign by convening some of the very first strategy sessions. Senior Dewey officials Jill Alper and Minyon Moore are also close advisers and fundraisers for Clinton, while at least four other Clinton officials have worked at Dewey within the last four years. In addition, disclosures show that Clinton’s Super PACs Priorities USA Action and Correct the Record have also paid Dewey Square Group for a variety of services in this election.

Undermining Obamacare Reforms

Dewey, for instance, worked on behalf of the health insurance industry during the health reform debate, specifically to block the changes to Medicare Advantage that were critical for financing the Affordable Care Act. Medicare Advantage, which allows Medicare beneficiaries to use plans administered by private insurers, had long served as a cash cow for the health insurance industry. By one estimate, insurance companies over-billed the government by nearly $70 billion in improper payments over just a five year period. Dewey, which had been tapped to by health insurers to block cuts from the program starting in 2007, continued during the Obama era to lobby to protect Medicare Advantage, even as such reforms became a major part of how Democrats and the Obama administration sought to finance the Affordable Care Act.

One of the more deceptive components of the Dewey lobbying strategy was uncovered when an editor at the Lawrence, Mass., Eagle-Tribune realized that the firm had worked quietly to place letters to the editor against cuts to Medicare Advantage under the names of elderly Massachusetts residents without their knowledge or consent.

Last year, ProPublica’s Alec MacGillis pressed America’s Health Insurance Plans, a major private health insurance lobby group that had retained Dewey, over the controversy. AHIP’s spokesperson brushed off the fake letter incident as the work of an intern and told MacGillis that AHIP ended its relationship with Dewey back in 2008, before the letters were sent. But tax documents reviewed by The Intercept show that a state-level health insurance lobby group called the Massachusetts Association of Health Plans, which represents the same major health insurance firms as AHIP, continued to pay Dewey throughout 2009 to 2012 for “grassroots” consulting.

“I don’t have any comment for your piece,” wrote Ginny Terzano, a spokesperson for Dewey, in response to an inquiry from The Intercept.

In 2009, Dewey was also retained by the National Restaurant Association, which at the time was lobbying aggressively to block health reform rules to require employers to provide health coverage to their employees. The National Restaurant Association, derided by labor activists as “the other NRA” for its role in lobbying against efforts to raise the minimum wage, paid Dewey $772,110 that year. Charles Baker, the Dewey co-founder who now serves as a senior strategist to the Clinton campaign, was also registered to influence health reform on behalf of the Medicines Company, a drug firm.

Other lobbyists now closely associated with the Clinton campaign were active in the fight against Obama’s health reforms.

Heather Podesta is one of the most prolific fundraisers for the Clinton campaign, having personally raised at least $348,581 according to recently filed disclosures. In 2009 and 2010, Podesta worked as lobbyist for the health insurance company Cigna. While working for Cigna to influence the health reform bill, Cigna was one of several large health insurers to secretly provide over $86 million in secret payments used to air negative television and radio advertisements to defeat the law. Heather Podesta is one of several lobbyists now fundraising for the campaign who previously worked for insurance interests to influence health reform. Irene Bueno, a fundraiser who raised $26,675, lobbied on behalf of CareMore (a division of health insurer Anthem) and Blue Shield of California to influence health reform as the bill was being debated. Bueno and Podesta did not respond to a request for comment.

Helping Big Banks Undermine Financial Reform

On financial reform, Clinton has similarly tied herself to Obama’s legacy. Speaking with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow last month, Clinton asserted that on Dodd-Frank, Obama’s financial reform legislation, she is one of the “many Democrats” who are “fighting to prevent it from being turned back.”

Clinton’s inner circle, however, has lobbied to help obstruct and roll back many of Dodd-Frank’s signature reforms.

The Benenson Strategy Group, the consulting firm run by Joel Benenson, now serving as the Clinton campaign’s chief pollster and strategist, was retained by the Financial Services Forum, a lobbying group for Wall Street interests such as Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. Lobbying records show the Financial Services Forum has worked over the years to weaken a variety of Dodd-Frank reforms. In 2013, the Financial Services Forum paid Benenson’s firm $273,459 to lobby on a number of rules that were mandated by Dodd-Frank, including capital requirements designed to prevent another financial crisis. Danny Franklin, a partner with the Benenson Stategy Group, wrote to The Intercept to say the Financial Services Forum is not currently a client of his firm, but declined to comment any further.

Last month, Benenson convened a conference call with reporters to “deride Bernie Sanders for airing an ad that criticized Wall Street firms and the politicians who accept their donations,” according to a report from International Business Times. As IBTimes reported, Benenson has also represented J.P. Morgan Chase and Bank of America, among other corporate clients.

Steve Elmendorf, a campaign adviser and fundraiser who has collected $30,505 for Clinton, was retained by Goldman Sachs as one of the bank’s “primary lobbyists” working to weaken the Dodd-Frank bill. Records show that after the bill was signed into law, Elmendorf continued to work on behalf of a number of Wall Street clients to ensure the implementation was favorable to financial industry interests. Elmendorf was tapped by Citigroup, for example, to help the House of Representatives pass the Swap Jurisdiction Clarity Act, a bill strongly supported by Republican leadership in Congress to allow banks to avoid financial regulations by moving some operations overseas — a change that experts say could lead to another financial meltdown.

Elmendorf is one of many lobbyists who worked to influence Dodd-Frank now helping the Clinton campaign raise cash. Dewey co-founder Charles Baker worked on a lobbying team with DLA Piper’s Matthew Bernstein, another major Clinton fundraiser, for Citizen Financial Group to help the bank lobby on Dodd-Frank. Disclosures show the efforts included work on the Volcker Rule, derivatives regulations, and rules concerning overdraft fees, many of the top concerns for the banking industry. Arshi Siddiqui, a lobbyist with Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld who is currently helping to raise money for the Clinton campaign, worked to influence Dodd-Frank implementation on behalf of the Mortgage Bankers Association, according to disclosures. Tony Podesta, the brother of the Clinton campaign’s chairman and a fundraiser for the campaign, worked for Bank of America to influence Dodd-Frank, according to filings.

Most of the Clinton campaign fundraisers who lobbied on Dodd-Frank did not respond to a request for comment. When asked about the work, Tony Podesta emailed us to say, “Call B of A.” An inquiry to Bank of America was not returned.

There are other lobbyists on the Clinton campaign staff. T. LaDavia Drane, the Clinton campaign’s African American outreach director, previously worked as a lobbyist for a trade group that represents Pepsico and Hershey on issues related to obesity and advertising to children. Jeff Berman, a senior Clinton campaign official who is leading her delegate strategy, previously worked as a lobbyist for the private prison firm Geo Group, seeking to influence the federal budget, as well as working for TransCanada to help secure approval of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline.

Speaking to The Hill last year, Tony Podesta said that unlike President Obama, who instituted a ban on registered lobbyists in his administration, K Street will find a more welcome home in a Clinton White House.

“I think Hillary Clinton will be the next nominee and probably be the next president, but whomever the next president is will not maintain the lobbying ban,” he predicted. “It was a good applause line for Obama but it didn’t seem to make much sense for policy.”

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105. "^^^ former DNC chair for VP "
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I guess DWS would've been too obvious

LOL

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106. "Murph you so full of yourself it's sad."
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LOL
up above you said you are "too involved" in politics
then baby girl asked you if you work for a politician or if you host political dinners and you said nope.


nigga you aint nobody
you just like the fucking rest of us
i know ppl that actually work on the hill
they are staffers for politicians
i've been to parties at consulates and whatnot because of these ppl

dude, come off it
you write for a magazine but you're not the political beat reporter for US News or nothing

you acting like you got nate silver's hot line bling
running analytics on his macbook pro

add me to the list of the other 8 folks that done came at your neck about this

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107. "RE: Murph you so full of yourself it's sad."
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Nigga, u voted for Trump....Shud-up......

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108. "But I'm voting for HRC in the general so now what???"
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that's what i thought

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110. "RE: But I'm voting for HRC in the general so now what???"
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Goody gumdrops for u, dog....

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126. "^^proudly supported drumpf's mexicans are rapists!"
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.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
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127. "oh my god."
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I only regret the en-word is in this response because my first reaction was to copy and paste this shit everytime this guy posts.\

Shut em down Murph.

  

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109. "In defense of Murph, there seem to be only like 5 cats here who"
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actually seem to follow politics in off years, remember prior elections, follow the data and been mostly right in their predictions. Murph has been one of those cats.




>LOL
>up above you said you are "too involved" in politics
>then baby girl asked you if you work for a politician or if
>you host political dinners and you said nope.
>
>
>nigga you aint nobody
>you just like the fucking rest of us
>i know ppl that actually work on the hill
>they are staffers for politicians
>i've been to parties at consulates and whatnot because of
>these ppl
>
>dude, come off it
>you write for a magazine but you're not the political beat
>reporter for US News or nothing
>
>you acting like you got nate silver's hot line bling
>running analytics on his macbook pro
>
>add me to the list of the other 8 folks that done came at your
>neck about this


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116. "i don't follow politics. it's around me. i'm not involved."
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>actually seem to follow politics in off years, remember prior
>elections, follow the data and been mostly right in their
>predictions. Murph has been one of those cats.


but i don't espouse like i'm some political sage.
shit, my wife throws/organizes parties for these ppl (their wives mainly).
i know four black dudes who are DEEP in republican politics (they are staffers) i can ask them whatever about whatever bill
but i dont
i see them niggas on c-span and shit
carrying the politicians water bottles
but i dont say nothing cause they paying they dues

anyhow, i dont like olk talking down to folk
shit is disgusting
like "oh, i can't even discuss this with you because i'm "too deep" in this politics shit and you're not"

almost on some "you're not woke enough" steez

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111. "this is hilarious! the i attend parties so im political push back"
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>i've been to parties at consulates and whatnot because of
>these ppl

this has got to be the silliest attempt at coming at someone that i've read.

like really.

but its no wonder. you did after all vote for the drumpf. smh

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115. "don't claim to be "in" the circle when you're not even of it"
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>>i've been to parties at consulates and whatnot because of
>>these ppl


If you claim to be "deep into politics" but you're not at the banquets, dinners, galas, fundraisers or the actaul politicians homes eating bbq in your swim trunks chatting it up with their 24 year old niece, or you're not even a staffer on any politicians payroll, then how can you claim to be "an insider" or "too involved"?

it's bullshit.

i dont even give a damn about politics for real but i've been a +1 to many a political function and meeting these folks
even here in houston i'm around the mayor and other elected officials because of who my boy is
i just go to drink the free drank
but it's politics as usual around me



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120. "That's all bullshit Yo, It ain't that hard to know more about politics"
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than most. Just read alot. Nigga ain't a sage, he just reads alot, reads the right stuff and sees through alot of the noise (and alot of it is noise).

The "I am deep in politics because I've been to a few parties and new a few junior people" is lame. It certainly wouldn't impress me (and I think I would have the winning hand if we played that game but I ain't about to play that game).



>>>i've been to parties at consulates and whatnot because of
>>>these ppl
>
>
>If you claim to be "deep into politics" but you're not at the
>banquets, dinners, galas, fundraisers or the actaul
>politicians homes eating bbq in your swim trunks chatting it
>up with their 24 year old niece, or you're not even a staffer
>on any politicians payroll, then how can you claim to be "an
>insider" or "too involved"?
>
>it's bullshit.
>
>i dont even give a damn about politics for real but i've been
>a +1 to many a political function and meeting these folks
>even here in houston i'm around the mayor and other elected
>officials because of who my boy is
>i just go to drink the free drank
>but it's politics as usual around me
>
>
>
>


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122. "what's "worth" more?"
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>than most. Just read alot. Nigga ain't a sage, he just
>reads alot, reads the right stuff and sees through alot of the
>noise (and alot of it is noise).
>
>The "I am deep in politics because I've been to a few parties
>and new a few junior people" is lame. It certainly wouldn't
>impress me (and I think I would have the winning hand if we
>played that game but I ain't about to play that game).


you "reading" about HRC
or you eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch at her house with her and bill every sunday morning on their living room floor?

dont claim to be "in too deep" of some shit you're clearly on teh outside of just like the rest of us
nigga we all got encyclopedias and google
so he's "in too deep" because he chose to crack open a book?
i'd say he's "read up on it a lot" but not "in too deep"

can you be "in too deep" in hollywood
but never been to no parties on the hill?
never been on a studio set?

sheesh
okp protects their own

i'm not a gang member but i've been around when a bunch of niggas got shot/killed
if someone was to tell me they were "in too deep" cause they read about somebody being killed
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2009/mar/27/1n27willie00297-remembering-willie/
and i'm like, nigga i was RIGHT FUCKIN THERE when it happened
i dont wanna hear that shit

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131. "I don't know what this "in too deep" reference is about"
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and maybe I am jumping into the tail end of an ongoing convo, I am just scoffing at the notion that you have to do more than just read alot to see where this election is heading.

Trump getting the nomination aside, folks who follow this stuff could tell you that Bernie wasn't beating HRC and HRC was going to beat whoever the GOP nomination is.


>than most. Just read alot. Nigga ain't a sage, he just
>>reads alot, reads the right stuff and sees through alot of
>the
>>noise (and alot of it is noise).
>>
>>The "I am deep in politics because I've been to a few
>parties
>>and new a few junior people" is lame. It certainly wouldn't
>>impress me (and I think I would have the winning hand if we
>>played that game but I ain't about to play that game).
>
>
>you "reading" about HRC
>or you eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch at her house with her and
>bill every sunday morning on their living room floor?
>
>dont claim to be "in too deep" of some shit you're clearly on
>teh outside of just like the rest of us
>nigga we all got encyclopedias and google
>so he's "in too deep" because he chose to crack open a book?
>i'd say he's "read up on it a lot" but not "in too deep"
>
>can you be "in too deep" in hollywood
>but never been to no parties on the hill?
>never been on a studio set?
>
>sheesh
>okp protects their own
>
>i'm not a gang member but i've been around when a bunch of
>niggas got shot/killed
>if someone was to tell me they were "in too deep" cause they
>read about somebody being killed
>http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2009/mar/27/1n27willie00297-remembering-willie/
>and i'm like, nigga i was RIGHT FUCKIN THERE when it happened
>i dont wanna hear that shit


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124. "^^^pulling himself up by his boy's bootstraps!"
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>even here in houston i'm around the mayor and other elected
>officials because of who my boy is
>i just go to drink the free drank
>but it's politics as usual around me

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
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112. "RE: Murph you so full of yourself it's sad."
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Sat Jul-23-16 08:25 AM by murph71

          

>LOL
>up above you said you are "too involved" in politics
>then baby girl asked you if you work for a politician or if
>you host political dinners and you said nope.


And u didn't really read what ol' girl was putting out...

She wasn't asking if I host dinner parties to measure my political commitment outside of posting on a website...She asked me iF I host POLITICAL DINNERS FOR THE DNC....The sly charge being that my support for Hillary Clinton equals to me being in the pocket of the DNC...lol

Not quite sure where u r going with this....

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113. "he wanted to show you that he attends parties"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
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114. "RE: he wanted to show you that he attends parties"
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lol...

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117. "i'm just saying get off your high horse"
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you're not the only nigga that knows how to read
you're a write for viba, right?
can you share any political pieces that you've published?
i'm not a write nor journalist nor claim to be some political savant
but for you to have all these "connections" annnnnd for you to be a published journalist in a PROMINENT hip hop mag, i just want to see what you working with

i see you posted that youtube clip after prince died
so you got some pull to get on tv to talk about prince
but what about when scalia died
was harpers calling you asking for a op-ed?


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119. "RE: i'm just saying get off your high horse"
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I'm not on a high horse...Never proclaimed to be...I just don't dig purity of any kind...

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125. "^^^candidate for the stupidity olympics!"
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>you're not the only nigga that knows how to read
>you're a write for viba, right?
>can you share any political pieces that you've published?
>i'm not a write nor journalist nor claim to be some political
>savant
>but for you to have all these "connections" annnnnd for you to
>be a published journalist in a PROMINENT hip hop mag, i just
>want to see what you working with
>
>i see you posted that youtube clip after prince died
>so you got some pull to get on tv to talk about prince
>but what about when scalia died
>was harpers calling you asking for a op-ed?
>
>
>

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128. "RE: i'm just saying get off your high horse"
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I've never proclaimed any of things u dropped in your weird ass posting about me...Never claimed to have some "connections"....I have no idea where u r getting this bullshit from...lol

I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else because I never claimed to be some political sage....

In fact, I find this entire dredging up this old ass thread perplexing...What is your angle here?

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130. "oh he's just pulling himself up by his boy's bootstraps"
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its quite telling that he things its difficult to get into consulate parties
(shit, there's a meetup group in d.c for this, for god's sakes)
or that getting into parties by politicians is supposed to be some for v.i.p only events

its kind of hilarious

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118. "i guess i missinterpreted what she said"
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Sat Jul-23-16 09:21 AM by deejboram

  

          

>>LOL
>>up above you said you are "too involved" in politics
>>then baby girl asked you if you work for a politician or if
>>you host political dinners and you said nope.
>
>
>And u didn't really read what ol' girl was putting out...
>
>She wasn't asking if I host dinner parties to measure my
>political commitment outside of posting on a website...She
>asked me iF I host POLITICAL DINNERS FOR THE DNC....


naaaah i reread
seems like she's clearly coming at your neck about "im too involved"
but this could be one of those "what was the artist thinking when he made left to right stroke rather than a right to left stroke?"

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121. "RE: i guess i missinterpreted what she said"
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>naaaah i reread
>seems like she's clearly coming at your neck about "im too
>involved"

Then u r quite dense...Because she and I were going at it quite a lot during that month....And it had nothing to do how politically involved I was. It was Bernie vs H. Clinton. And she took offense to my support of Clinton...The culmination of that back and forth was this thread in which she implied that I was a paid DNC drone because I was rolling with Clinton and not Bernie (because I was't going with the TRUE progressive...)

If u r going to insult me or drag me out on the carpet at least understand the context of said debate....

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123. "she got mad people fooled, lol"
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my Mom is beWILDERED that she didn't pick Warren.

c'mon son, Hillary wasn't doing that shit. Kaine is perfect for her platform, and it has them old school Clinton optics necessary (southern White man to appeal to the right).

these are the new Democrats 2.0: fuck universal health care, moar disasterous trade deals, but OH our VP speaks Spanish and our President attempted the Nae Nae once.

Same you can believe in.

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129. "y would u want to take away Warrens power in the Senate?"
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And give it to the Republicans?

All just to be on the campaign trail and for optics?

U really don't get it.


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132. "I'm a progressive (c) HRC"
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you're deflecting

focus

how does Kaine as the VP pick support the idea of a progressive ticket for dems

?

there are obvious names that evoke the word progressive in the current cycle, Warren being one

you want to deflect to strategery, down ticket, etc...

address the issue

some of us said she was pro-wall street, continuing bad trade deals (TPP), and of course her foreign policy of regime change

read through the thread

and some defended her saying she voted with Bern 9*% of the time

picking Kaine negates all of that

She was who we thought she was (c) RIP to the homie.

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133. "facts are deflection?"
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Lol wtf

VPs don't sponsor legislation

These are facts




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134. "RE: #hillarysoprogressive, she chose Ken Salazar to head her transition"
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team.

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/16/hillary-clinton-picks-tpp-and-fracking-advocate-to-set-up-her-white-house/

+1, writes an op-ed against politicians moving into lobbyist positions

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hillary-clinton/wall-street-revolving-door_b_8064504.html

Ken Salazar is a partner at Wilmer Hale

= this shit writes itself.

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135. "Hillary told the FBI Colin Powell advised her on email use"
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lmao.. just blame it on the Black man

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/us/politics/hillary-clinton-told-fbi-colin-powell-advised-her-to-use-private-email.html?_r=0

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136. "#hillarysoprogressive, she won't funnel foreign donations through the"
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Clinton Foundation, if you vote for her.

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137. "^^^ for #shepersisted "
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Anybody seen HRC these days?

The champion for women's rights and progressive ideals

Did she just take her ball and go home?

Murph, you still getting checks?

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138. "RE: ^^^ for #shepersisted "
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http://i.imgur.com/O0UjOJZ.jpg


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139. "damn right she took her ball and went home"
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idiots let the cheeto become president cause hillary wasn't pristine perfect. if i was her i'd move out the damn country and hope it burned down.

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140. "^ yep this."
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141. "http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k275/jwade11/crying_running.gif"
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http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k275/jwade11/crying_running.gif

  

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142. "Basically. "
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>idiots let the cheeto become president cause hillary wasn't
>pristine perfect. if i was her i'd move out the damn country
>and hope it burned down.

  

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155. "Bingo "
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prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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156. "idiots = so called liberals who chose hrc over bernie"
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that shit still boggles my mind way more than any steadfast trump supporter




  

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143. "y'all gotta decide, do you hate her and want her to move over"
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or do you want to be angry because she's not in the spotlight

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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144. "Most people in here hate her for losing"
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I know I do

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147. "Sure. That's why you weren't at all mad at her before the election"
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I wonder how having no integrity feels.

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150. "I disliked her before the election... "
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But now I hate het

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151. "LOL"
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154. "Oh bullshit. The deep seeded hatred many of u have is WHY she"
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Lost. I still don't get it either. Mistrust...sure. But the hatred that people have her is odd to me

I want another major party woman at the top of the ticket soon just to see if there's a difference

But most ppl don't hate her becuz she lost. That's just the latest justification for the deep hatred

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158. "lmao... this is why she was a terrible candidate"
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People love or hate her... that's it.

Tried to warn y'all that working whites hated Hilldawg but y'all were hell bent on trying to make history again instead of winning.



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167. "you hating women isn't new bro."
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175. "you not hating women IS new bro."
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145. "LOL, I never wanted anything to do with her."
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It's ya'll that tried to convince us she was the best candidate

and she tried to convince us she would represent progressive policies, etc...

That's the point

Because of her BS, we all lost.

The reason for the uppage, which I expect to be apparent

She was never bout that life

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146. "cool of you to pretend the thread you're posting in doesn't exist"
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and confirming that you can't choose. you just want to be mad at hillary.

we know.

we see it.


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148. "also "she was never about that life""
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after an entire lifetime in politics

is some hilarious shit.

It's always funny watching dumb motherfuckers twist and turn to try and establish themselves as sources of knowledge.

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152. "^ stronger together "
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Maybe, just maybe

Part of the reason she lost is not enough people bought what she was selling

i.e. #hillarysoprogressive in contrast to her career

One thing you can't deny about Trumpster

He meant what he said and is following through

...why are you so mad? I live in CA, HRC carried our state at 60%

Do better!

is she okay though?

are you going to be okay?

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153. "I know, you have no coherent thoughts"
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we're beyond all the stuff you cribbed from reddit you gotta go back for new lines now.

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160. "What are you doing?"
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You want it to be one way, but its clearly the other.

You can't cape for Hillary now. She lost. To a horrible, terrible, unimaginable candidate.


I'll grant you that she lost for several reasons, but please for the love of Obama don't gloss over the fact that she ran a terrible campaign.

This is FACT. This is in the history books.

She was too busy running radio ads in LOS ANGELES to spend time in WI and MI.

She assumed she would pick up moderate Repubs in PA. Assumed.

etc, etc.

She ran a mediocre campaign from the early aughts. Completely outdated and ineffective.

And this is TRUE no matter what you think of her. I don't care if you have "I'm With Her" tatted on the small of your back....

She ran a sh!t campaign.

Read up on it- even BUBBA called it. BUBBA.

SHE HAD NO MESSAGE. Even Slick Willy said so.

SHE WAS LAZY. Yes, she was lazy. You can't not spend time in WI, MI, and be late to OH and cry "look how unfair"

You can't. Ask Obama.


And for good measure lets revisit the unfair hate she got.

You know what, I agree with you. I think there was so much unfair sh!t in the campaign, the media should be ashamed. Straight up.


But people HAVE HATED HER FOR YEARS.

It doesn't matter if it is right. It doesn't matter if its unfair. Its true.


But despite that, the DNC crowned her 8 years ago. And by doing so, also let the other side campaign against her for EIGHT YEARS.


You hardcore Dems soldiers and Hil stans want it to be one way but its another. You want politics to be fair. You want everyone to say "we failed Hilary, she can't fail"...

and all of that is not only bullsh!t, it's scary as hell because I'm worried a lot of folks didn't learn a lesson.

And painting anyone who is pointing this stuff out as a "sexist" or "Bernie Bro" or whatever is completely self-sabotaging.

BE REAL AND LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES

Any Dem who is still spending any kind of energy on things like "unfair media" and "she tried to warn us" and "Bernie bros" are completely wasting their time and energy.

Look back at the mistakes, be honest, learn from them, gather for the fight and get ready for 2018.




  

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161. "RE: What are you doing?"
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>
>You want it to be one way, but its clearly the other.
>
>You can't cape for Hillary now. She lost. To a horrible,
>terrible, unimaginable candidate.



When the history books r written on Clinton's second run she will def. get some of the blame...Her hubris being the most glaring indictment of her campaign....In fact she is still getting MOST of the blame by a lot of folks...

And yet we all know that other shit was poppin' off...Gen. Flynn being sent to the showers is just the first domino to fall....

That's always the big difference between Progressives and Conservatives....Progressives can't get of their own way...Conservatives always see the big picture and go for the kill...

Progressives are only happy when they are miserable.....Been that way since G. McGovern.....


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163. "Yup. "
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165. "where you fucked up first"
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was thinking I was going to read all that shit.

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157. "pretty much"
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159. "Don't just be mad at Hillary. Where is the DNC fire? "
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Granted, much of the leadership surrounding the 2016 process was more or less installed by Hillary's campaign by choice, but the scrutiny at how lost and up it's own ass the party got needs the sort of fire that you're just leveling at Hillary. At the time, Wasserman Schultz and her ilk were untouchable because of how couched in feminism and inclusiveness the party approach had become,they never were held accountable for the blunders their approach (and candidate) took by ignoring the grass-roots base of the DNC (that they clearly didn't understand or appreciate) and when shit hit the fan, she just sort of ghosted without reproach. My worry and concern is that the #resist and whatever other protest movements that have sprung up haven't addressed the huge divide that continued approach created originally and, if anything, it's just keeps ignoring the fact the DNC fucked up tremendously. Fight, be mad, call out the destruction this administration is causing, but don't pretend like it was just Hillary that fucked up or it's just that the GOP/Trump are evil manipulators. The party leadership, whoever the fuck that is now, need to step up and get real with themselves.

  

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162. "I think a viable 3rd party candidate will be a consequence of this "
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election going forward

i.e. I can't see a 2 party system in future POTUS elections

and that is a consequence of this faiL

I'm not sure how active you were in the campaign threads

but we called BS from the door = HRC declaring a W in IA while the votes were still being tallied

and stayed on the DNC through DWS removal as chair

but by that time they had already blown it.

You can look up the threads if you want

FTR, I only joined the D party to vote for BHO

They lost me with this BS

Whoever is the next 'it' candidate will be the same shit warm over

Like this Tom Perez guy they're pushing

I give 0 fucks about the Dem party. They faiLed all of us

That wasn't the reason for the uppage

With all the resistance, and specifically feminist activism

Where is the self crowned champion of women's issues and progressive policies?

It doesn't strike anyone as contradictory that she has been ghost when action is at its peak?

c'mon

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164. "DWS getting fired and immediately hired by Hillary"
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then seeing ole negro spiritual get fired by the CNN and immediately get picked up by the DNC said it all.

They aren't going to learn from their mistakes.

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181. "That's a whole stream of alternative facts."
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Wasserman-Shultz wasn't "hired" by the Hillary campaign. She was appointed to an unpaid position on a committee. And considering that she didn't do anything wrong, she probably deserved much better than that.

Brazile went on normal hiatus from CNN to temporarily chair the DNC. The ouster from CNN was long after that.

  

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166. "that's what stupid people usually think after elections"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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168. "so I'm not a dumb motherfucker today, that's progress for you. Cheers"
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Tue Feb-14-17 04:33 PM by bentagain

  

          

"That wasn't the reason for the uppage

With all the resistance, and specifically feminist activism

Where is the self crowned champion of women's issues and progressive policies?

It doesn't strike anyone as contradictory that she has been ghost when action is at its peak?

c'mon"

whenever you feel like joining the grown ups table, there is still the question at hand

?

where she at doe

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149. "Man I was so confused for like 2 minutes reading this post lol...."
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I saw the Feb date and assumed it was a new post that blew up. I was like why are these fools still talking about Bernie vs Hillary like this?

For a second I though Mr. Brexit didn't happen and it was just a nightmare.

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169. "Man, people hate her vagina so much"
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They're still bitching about her 3 months AFTER the election.

The most politically qualified woman in America was sabotaged by the requirement for a woman to be at least 50% more perfect than any man she's competing with.

The pre-requisites made applicable to her by people who supposedly "opposed" a Trump/Tea Party Candidate win would never have been applied to a male candidate. Once Bernie was out of the race (and yes, he would've been a preferable candidate, but we don't get everything we wish for exactly how we wished it) the idea that there was any kind of logic to not voting for Hillary was mental - it is these people's fault Trump is in.

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170. "RE: Man, people hate her vagina so much"
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>They're still bitching about her 3 months AFTER the
>election.
>
>The most politically qualified woman in America was sabotaged
>by the requirement for a woman to be at least 50% more perfect
>than any man she's competing with.
>
>The pre-requisites made applicable to her by people who
>supposedly "opposed" a Trump/Tea Party Candidate win would
>never have been applied to a male candidate. Once Bernie was
>out of the race (and yes, he would've been a preferable
>candidate, but we don't get everything we wish for exactly how
>we wished it) the idea that there was any kind of logic to not
>voting for Hillary was mental - it is these people's fault
>Trump is in.


I mean......

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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171. "Yes. It's her vaginas fault. It was allergic to Wisconsin cheese"
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That's why she didn't visit Wisconsin one time in the GE?

Was her vagina broken on 9/11?

I could see if Hilldawg lost across the board but she won the popular vote. She lost because SHE blew it. She didn't put in the work to protect her so-called firewall. She believed the hype.

Trump beat 12 or so more qualified men so miss us with that bullshit. It's not anyone's fault but Hilldawg and the DNC. She had high negatives to begin with so why are folks acting like it's voters fault they didn't vote for her?

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172. "RE: Yes. It's her vaginas fault. It was allergic to Wisconsin cheese"
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Wed Feb-15-17 08:21 AM by murph71

          


She didn't take Trump seriously, dog....NOBODY TOOK HIM SERIOUSLY, until it was too late....That was ONE of the reasons Cheeto Jesus pulled off that upset....

The other reasons? A lot of shit (that Russia angle is looming large now....), including the fact that America still isn't ready for a female President....Trump is incompetent and had no business winning the Presidency....But he did...for a A LOT of reasons....And one of them is because Clinton pees sitting down....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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176. "white women bruh"
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People get mad at Black folk, Bernie Bros but it's white women. They preferred Trump over one of their own.

It's like ole girl said on Blackish... white women hate each other.

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177. "RE: white women bruh"
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Don't u know a lot of those white women followed their husbands/SO's, dog?

Don't u know some women have contempt for other women, dog?

I mean....U know that....Right?

America's history of patriarchy touches EVERYBODY.....Not just the mindset of men...(Much in the same way white supremacy has a profound effect on how black people treat, you know....Other black people....)

That shit goes beyond class, race, and gender....It is what it is....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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178. "Nigga... lol. I told you that shit months ago"
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You were the one saying women wouldn't vote for him in numbers that would get him elected.

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179. "RE: Nigga... lol. I told you that shit months ago"
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Yeah....but it was still not enough to give Clinton that L....

Other shit happened...THAT'S MY POINT....

U keep trying to disregard that elephant in the room...Even with all the shit Hilldawg got for being a woman she still would have most likely won....

But you turn on the news TODAY? That other shit had a profound effect on the election even with the Left base ready to ride....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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180. "lol... welcome back Clyde"
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182. "She didn't visit WI because the data said that would be wasted time,"
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and that data was accurate until DAYS before the election.

They were as smart, tightly-run a campaign as we have ever seen, literally working right out of the Obama playbook. But I'll admit, they weren't able to predict the unpredictable. Lock her up!

  

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184. "and that's the problem with HRC"
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She did the same thing with Obama in the primaries. She thought she had shit won so she didn't plan for the long haul.

Here is the other problem with the "data"

The field operators and DNC leaders in Wisconsin kept calling and telling her people to stop sending Chelsea. They said they needed Hillary because the numbers were crooked on the ground and they ignored these request.

Fuck the data... listen to the people on the ground.

Look at this scathing article about the disconnect between Brooklyn headquarters and Michigan. The same shit happened in Wisconsin too.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547


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173. "LOL, ya'll doing a lot of typing. The question remains (c) where she at?"
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Are you implying that a yt female has it harder than a black man in the US?

You do realize we just elected a black man for POTUS 2X

But HRC lost because she has a vagina = GTFOH

Per usual, HRC stans spin and deflect when they can't answer a direct question

With demonstrations and activism at its peak in my adult life, where is the self crowned champion of women's issues and progressive policies?

There is an election in March

Trumpster just scapegoated her in this Russia mess

Where she at doe?

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174. "Huff post said she just burned Flynn with a tweet"
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183. "Is using her gender as a plea cop for the L sexist?"
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The same people offering her experience as a career politician

On the same board where we debated her political record

Are now saying she Lost because she's a woman

Is that sexist?

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185. "It's something else..."
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sexism and racism.

There wasn't a person of color on the Dem ballot but somehow it was racism that lost the election.

She won the pop by 3 million votes. That isn't sexism that's called LOSING because your strategy was FUCKED up.

She lost the same 2 states she lost in the primary to Bernie. Somehow she figured she could ignore those states and still win because the "data" that predicted she would win in the primary also said she would win the GE. Why the fuck would you believe that data when it failed you before?

They were cheap, her people were lazy, everyone was picking out apartments and furniture for D.C. Folks on the ground were calling NY telling them shit was fucked up and they shrugged them off.

How the duck do you have no literature? No lawn signs? They turned folks away who asked them for that shit because people "already knew who Hilldawg was"

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